personally idc for set positions or to have them be “official” EXCEPT for leader. every group needs a leader and to pretend like it doesnt need it or they dont have one is ridiculous
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Fr, the only positions I really care about is leader and maybe even vocalist, dancer and producer/ lyricist, I honestly just get confused with lead and main, it just means the same thing in my brain, plus visual and maknae are so unessessary and random
My opinion: Kpop has become (for years) about what is trendy now. I find myself listen to an album, then never return back to it or return just a couple of times. Like the MVs are like movies, title tracks as well - you watch and listen to it, you like it, then you listen to it a few times, then you forget it, then the artist release their new album, the cycle repeat itself. Like, I see that fans are more into variety shows, seeing their faves on red carpets and commercials because we know nothing about their private lives, so those kind of things help us make scenarios in our heads, make us stan idols and defend them as music becomes something less important. That's why the music is kinda mediocre. For example, I listen to a lot of western artists and can say that their music is top priority for their fans. Dating, parasocial relationships, fan wars, etc, are almost non-existent. I find myself listen to whole discographies of artists and never get bored with them. The thing with Kpop music is that it is like a trend that really fell off and feels kinda empty. Ofc, there will always be a few exceptions but the overall is important.
100% agree. I still find myself going back to 2nd and 3rd gen MVs and watching them again. But with 4th and even 5th gen I never find myself doing it. I think this is reflected in view counts, kpop MVs used to make a lot more views overtime than they do now.
think what people in the comments r forgetting about is the mass overproduction of kpop atm because of popularity in the west, and how fast overconsumption of music is happening both in America and in kpop.
Unpopular opinion: Fans have no right to complain about prices that companies put on things if they’re going to buy them anyways. A lot of listeners of TxT were upset seeing how the tickets for their tour were being priced yet still bought them anyways. They’re only feeding into the situation and telling companies they’ll take whatever treatment as long as your favorite’s face is on it.
Exactly! They need only one empty venue: one and we will see the prices going dow or returning to being stable. Or better, make a schedule for buying tickets so there is no overpricing and they are all cheap. One single rise on prices and stop buying. Once they return to its normal price they can be bought and if the tour is half empty better, next one it will be fast done and competitive prices.
SO TRUE!! They're only listening to HYBE that's why. SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... 'People are fools to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and they'll find actual GEMS.
no boy groups has Been doing noise music for so long it’s getting old and bland same gonna happen to girl groups if they keep doing drill and hip hop music
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq lmao there you go blaming hybe again, even hybe bgs have a variety of music like tws, txt, svt, enha, bnd and even bts have very different music that you just refuse to acknowledge, get off your dear "i dont listen to hybe groups" high horse and open your ears and thinking weirdo
kpoptwt is genuinely dangerous bc of the way misinformation is so easily believed and spread. 1 user took a clip of haruto ( a minor and not korean) setting boundries with shippers in the fandom. yg paired him with another member(20+ member mind you) in their webdrama and fans went wild with disgusting fan art and sexual comments on livestreams etc. he didn't word what he was trying to say perfectly.. because he was a child and not 100% fluent in korean. and all it took was 1 person on kpoptwt to post the clip with bad subs and now every other kpop stan thinks he's homophobic. at every award show when an idol does something "fruity" there are hit tweets talking about "IN FRONT OF TREASURE????????" it's so insane how everyone believed and still believes a lie.
You're only listening to HYBE that's why. SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and you'll find actual GEMS.
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq I've listened to a good amount of the songs you listed. Other than BTS, I'm not big on hybe. I did sorta like deju but by txt. I'll check out the songs I don't already dislike though
Hard agree on the Twice opinion. I ult Twice but I sadly feel their music has also become more boring in recent years too. It feels devoid of personality and like songs sung by Twice rather than Twice songs™️. 2019-2021 was the sweet spot for me in terms of maturing their sound but keeping their personality and signature energy there. I’ll never abandon them, and I think they still have it in them to make great songs (Queen of Hearts and Hare Hare are amazing) but they’re in a slump for me personally.
Twice makes too many love songs for their title tracks too. They need to switch up the topics. Like set me free could have used a darker topic to match the aesthetics
Whats frustrating is the members write great songs by themselves but they are never picked as title tracks, Twice always had this problem where their title track could be kind of bland and their b sides would be amazing
MY OPINION (From someone who stans BOTH bgs and ggs):If you don't like the "noise" music a lot of bg do, they are A LOT of other bg that don't have that sound eg BOYNEXTDOOR, ZB1, ENHY, TXT, TWS, SVT and so many other bgs. If you actually delve into the world of bgs you will actually see that there is music more than just "noise" music. even groups like SKZ and ATEEZ who helped to popularise to the "noise" music sound, if you actually listen to their music you would know that majority of their music is not even "noise" eg like I AM YOU and Laventer by SKZ are definitely not "noise" music. Honestly it's just like a few years back when people were saying ggs only do the girl crush concept
SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... IF YOU LOOK AROUND, you'll find actual GEMS.
I agree with all your opinions...except the one about boy groups. I agree most of the gb's concepts have been too similar and it's getting boring mostly just seeing the same bad boyish concepts and song vibe but i don't agree that it's all bgs are putting out. And i don't agree that boy groups music is getting bad or that it ever was because even if i dislike one release from one bg I'm loving another from a different bg or a b-side. For me as a multistan of both gg and bg I'd honestly say it's the same. Because there has been a good amount of gg releases i having vibed with the same amount as the bg ones. I think it's mostly just music preference. And if you're only listening to the title tracks of boy groups like Txt, Enhypen, Straykids, and Ateez like- of course you're going to assume all bgs music is using the badboy or loud style that seems to have become trendy. There are definitely way more bgs then that though, i suggest giving them a listen and don't be shy to listen to B-sides like some of these boy groups have been releasing jems and you might just be overlooking them
@@5XKXNXA "Frost" is very loud, you can a argue if that counts as bad boys (they didn’t look like good boy's though lol) "Suger rush ride" isn't really loud but you can't tell me they're not trying to look like bad boys in that video. "Chaising that feeling" is not really loud to me but there are some softies who would think it's too loud 💀 also they think 'black clothes = bad boy' and "Deja vu" has the same thing, except it's a bit louder and sense it's an emo vibe they would think it's bad boy yaknow 👽
@lilylookittykyu3115 I am speechless rn. Are you a comedian? Are the only things you know "bad boy" and "nice boy" or smth? I would let Frost (a bside) slide. But the rest are the biggest stretch ever. I want the yoga instructor you got to reach them.
@@5XKXNXA Why you mad? 🤨 I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. I'm saying it while trying to look on those kpop fans point of view. It's just a fact that most kpop fans (especially the gg stans) see all recent TXT comebacks as badboy-ish. I agree they are not REALLY bad boy concepts but some kpop stans don't care about the details of the comeback (or the song lyrics) and will think anyone wearing black, acting cool or emo or trying to look sexy in the video, THEY will look at that and say "Yeah that's badboy concept" personally I don't think so. I think it just matters how well you can pay attention to the actual concept and what your definition is for "badboy" concept because it seems people mush it up 😶 But anyway- I wasn't saying it in a bad way,, no hate to TXT bruh- (ps I only included "Frost" because it's got a M/V and kpop fans kinda make it seem like it's a title track sooo)
For the BG opinion I got some things to talk about (Coming from a GG and BG stan.) Now it could just be your taste but personally, I like listening to bgs sometimes more than ggs or ggs more than bgs, it just depends for me. But not all bgs are "noise music", saying this because groups like boynextdoor, zb1, enhy, txt, tws, svt, etc exist. Now if you like noise music, cool. You can listen to groups like NCT, Stray Kids, Ateez, etc. Don't know much abt NCT because like.. I haven't gone into a deep dive into their music yet but for Stray Kids and Ateez, they're not all just noise music (unless you've listened to the title tracks, then that'll explain it) But if you listened to songs like Utopia, I am You, Take Me, Twilight, Levanter, GLOW, Going Dumb, Deep End, etc. Those can be examples of chill, laid back music, but like.. I'm not gon convince you because then again, thats your taste.
SO TRUE! People only listening to HYBE and coming to her conclusion is laughable. SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... People are FOOLS to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and they'll find actual GEMS.
They're only listening to HYBE that's why. SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... 'People are fools to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and they'll find actual GEMS.
To be fair, she kinda has a point, most bg’s nowadays are very similar in that respect, especially styling and concept wise. I’m not a gg stan and even I can see it. Some of the music is still good tho. Plus, bg and gg stans will always find a way to throw shade at these groups, that’s something that’s never gonna change unfortunately 😔
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq I do want to ask, cause she mentions noise music and I don’t really know any hybe boy groups that make noise music. So what do you mean by this?
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq wdm, I don't know any group in HYBE like that? Your acting like hybe bg didn't give us gems like tinnitus, blue hour, Darl+ing, don't wanna cry, Given-Taken, etc, and don't even get me started about BTS. Your really pretending like other companies doesn't make loud music
@@Jung_lichu HYBE groups may have songs but its hard to listen to them because of the autotune. Same for BTS. Spring Day instruments are louder than vocals and gratifying for the ears despite having good melody. HYBE uses too much autotune, their vocal processing makes ears bleed.
about the boycott opinion: the fact that more “you’re spineless for not boycotting BTS” tweets get thousands of likes & attention than “here’s a direct link to help Palestinian people get the help they need please donate.” is wild. I’m one of the armys who aren’t boycotting because simply bts has nothing to do with it so why punish them? Boycott armys have jumped through hoops to try and make the connection between supporting BTS to funding genocide and that’s where they lost me completely. They’ve called BTS zionists, made up hypothetical scenarios, and have said “hold them accountable” for what? the boycott has lost the plot. What could’ve been an opportunity to donate money to help Palestine the best we can instead turned into one big hypocritical shit show. lets not forget it’s “boycott all hybe groups” until txt, le sserafim, and svt are all having comebacks or concerts then it doesn’t matter it only applies to bts. If you’re gonna boycott go 100% for it and have the same energy for ALL hybe groups.
No and it's literally so stupid too like they want Scooter out? Then start the boycott with artist under HIS label also boycotting Hybe groups but not the other companies like jyp and kakao when they are literally funding the genocide or have some ties with isnotreal i haven't seen 1% of this energy directed towards them
The way the point of the boycott literally flew over your head like girl….the boycott has nothing to do with the tannies and it never has. It’s about divesting bts from the Zionists and evident Zionism in their company. It’s about making sure that we get that ass scooter braun away and far from the tannies because we know how other rlly famous artists have literally spoken up abt how 🛴 has been ass and taken credit from them and if that’s not enough then there’s also the fact that he is an open Zionist and has met netanyahu and spoken positively abt him on his platforms. It’s the fact that 🛴 has always took his time to spread misinformation and propaganda and he supports israel in this genocide. Now he is being associated with the tannies cuz he’s the ceo of hybe america and with the new singing of the 10 year contract between them it shows he’s just gonna get more involved. Now do you see how supporting *the company* that BTS is in helps to fund a genocide. Because this money that you put in to supporting bts a rlly big part of it doesn’t go to bts but to their company. Do you see how it all ties to each other-
This boycott has nothing to do with bts but it has all to do with divesting the tannies and the company their in from Zionists in hybe and the evident Zionism the company has involved in. Firstly, scooter Braun. Literally everyone knows how he has taken credit from artists he worked with and how he’s always been ass because other famous artists he’s worked with have literally spoken up about it. And if that’s not enough then there’s the fact that he’s l openly been a Zionist, had met netanyahu and spoken positively abt him and he’s always taken his sweet time to spread misinformation and Zionist propaganda. But at the end of the day what does this have to do with BTS? I ohh idk considering the fact that he’s already worked with junkook on golden someday there might be the fact that he’ll get more involved with BTS as a whole. And a solid amount of ppl in the music industry already don’t like 🛴 which could defame their names and ruin a lot of things. Now if this isn’t enough for u to want to boycott so some of our voices can get heard and hybe will hit a loss then idk what else to say.
BTS, TXT, Enhypen - only boygroups I listen to/would recommend as well. I've tried keeping my interest in other groups I used to like but it's really unappealing. A few years ago I couldn't understand the appeal of girlgroups and now it's blowing my mind how much better they sound compared to what I listened to before
1000% agree about the hybe boycott. I’m all for standing up for what’s right, but the focus has become about virtually stoning ppl for not wanting to boycott instead of the boycott itself. And it’s like ppl forgot that ultimately it’s about helping Gaza. That’s what always happens with social media justice warriors. The focus always shifts to condemning instead of elevating resources to help ppl. Also thinking hybe is gonna remove that snake of a man is naive to me I’m sorry :/ I wouldn’t say this on my twitter tho bc again, it’s easier to virtually stone someone even if they tell the hard truth.
Also I don’t see anyone bothering to boycott except armys? Like do other hybe fandoms participate? Genuinely asking. Idk it’s just all over the place. Boycotts can only work when it’s done in unison.
You are so right! And it is incredibly naive to think that man will ever be removed. Better to spend your time and resources on donating to legit Palestinian organizations and move on from stanning hybe groups if you can't stand that man's presence.
@@sweetlyte the other Hybe fandoms arent boycotting but shaming Army's who refuse to boycott..literally hating and threatening Army...then they say Army should support their Hybe favs. it's a ClusterFk over on Stan Twt....it's basically boycott BTS/members only
@@sweetlyteits turned into a war between fandoms accusing others of only targeting one specific group. It’s such a mess to witness and only shows how immature a lot of users are.
imo, every group should have set positions, but that doesn't mean they all cant be all-rounders. one member should atleast be the best in their own field. for example, a main vocalist being the best at vocal, but does really well at rapping and dancing. just imagine that member suddenly having a rap part in a song, isn't that more shocking?
I'm still waiting for people to realize that Hybe is not a label, but a corporation. And yeah, there's no hybe boycott, just BTS boycott, is funny to see some people celebrating the numbers of Hope on the Street vol.1 and saying that "this is how boycott is done" but 5 minutes later is talking about how excited they are for SVT concert. Is not about Palestine is about their hate towards BTS and it shows.
I swear if they only spent as much time raising actual funds to donate to Palestinian organizations instead of whatever it is they are doing on twt. And the whole plot was never there to begin with since that boycott was poorly organized with a ridiculous goal imo.
it’s supposed to be a hybe boycott for all of the groups but it’s overall extremely unorganized and most of the other groups fandoms are not participating
The plight of the Palestinian people is not only a humanitarian crisis. It's socio-cultural as well since zionism is an extremist ideology that allows Israel to thrive. Cultural botcotts/action are just as important as donation to address the immediate humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people @oliveb.
I agree with the first one. A group consists of people with strengths and weaknesses, so they can function as s group, filling in the gaps of weaknesses. If you choose to not highlight the strengths, it‘ll look kind of tacky, because it‘s super obvious that a member can’t sing or can’t rap well.
the boy group music point is so true! people are angry at hybe “ruining” kpop and their ggs re-releasing the same songs over and over again, while the truth is boy group stans just can’t cope with the popularity girl groups have acquired among the american GP. none of those boy groups will ever come close to the hybe groups’ numbers simply because they’re making music that is unlistenable
You're only listening to HYBE that's why. SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... You're a FOOL to think HYBE boy groups are the only ones making listenable music.. GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and you'll find actual GEMS.
my opinion: stray kids’ music is getting worse and worse yet no one is talking about it because they are scared of being called ‘haters’. Now, everyone has their own opinion on their music and while some may enjoy it, Lalalala and S-class are not good enough songs to be listened to. They are loud and nosy only for the sake of impacting the listener but it’s really not great music like???!! Skz have great talent but really now, it hurts me to know it’s being wasted like this
then explain to us why sclass and lalalala are literally the most successful 4th gen bg songs, if it's that bad no one would have listen to it. Trust skz won't change their sounds just to be more appealing for the gp, i think it might just be time to admit their music are not for u but idk
@@clapch5498 No they aren't???? Stray kids does have the most popular 4th gen boy group songs but it sure as hell isn't sclass and lalalala, gods menu, maniac, thunderous and backdoor are all way more popular. Their last 3 comebacks have actually been their least successful ones. Gods menu and maniac are great, sclass and lalala are not
I mean, sclass cant even be considered noise music, & la4 is phonk/heavy edm and phonk and edm are obviously noisy, I need kpop stans to know that not all noise music is the same, even rock is noise music, but calling them "bad" bc u don't like it is just subjective, so I respect that🤷🏾♀️
my opinion: I'm a fan of trendy dyed hair for comebacks rather than this "natural healthy look" we've seen with both newjeans and illit, yeah I think it was cool and different for newjeans to do it with their debut but I hope it doesn't become a trend that everyone follows.
its so disgusting that fans will find a way to make their idol seem better and ethical but taking things out of context like the whole ceasefire yunjin situation thing like u r fucked wtf
10:53 It’s the bandwagoning for me. Honestly, I am always transparent- I was late to BTS and “Save Me” was my introduction to them. However, I feel everyone knows that in the beginning their music was not well received. It was admirable in a sociopolitical context- as we have seen in other forms of media like, “Squid Games,” “Parasite,” and even in songs like “Gangnam Style,” South Korea’s consumerism, materialism, and obsession with luxury has lead to a very toxic cultural and socioeconomic climate. BTS’s first song was confronted the school system that encouraged conformity, overachieving, and the commodifying of identity to simply pursue money and material gain and how the youth feel unheard and lied to from their institutions and systems…and everyone hated it at first! K-Pop fans didn’t get it, it was critically panned, and BTS often detail they were mocked by interviewers and music show host. Anyone saying they hate their new stuff, and “miss the old BTS,” is talking about WHEN they moved towards a more mainstream sound which is essentially what lead to the current era of music they are in. So it makes no sense.
Takes like these are so lazy, it’s just going in a direction thats not your taste anymore, people have been saying that same thing for years and years and it just means its developing out of the form they’re used to. People have been saying this for all time about all music. I get your opinion but respectfully, just admit it’s not for you anymore
Its not a "Hybe boycott" its a BTS boycott and thats why I don't take these people seriously. Illit had a super successful debut (with a potential hot100 debut btw), TXT sold over a million copies, LSF cb was also a success, and SVT about to sell 250 photo cards as well as concert tickets. Its so perfomative to act as if it's a company boycott when literally anybody else is supporting their faves just fine while armys get called z!onists over streaming BTS.
the problem is that bgs title tracks sound like a train wreck 😭😭 the bsides are cute, it’s just irresponsible of a company to waste a good album for a noisy trash fire of a title track💀 (and this is wayyy too common) sorry if this sounds too mean but meh🧍🏽♀️
heavy on the point that the focus should be on actively donating and providing funds for people currently stuck. fighting each other on who has better morals rn is just reducing the entire thing to a fanwar atp. like this is not going to help anyone but turn people against each other when we could be a fandom and work as a whole to donate and raise money for families. and yes, kpop stans have a history of saying that bts' last comeback was the last best comeback they ever had, like when fake love came out these people swore that dna was the their last best song when dna was dragged through mud so being an ARMY since 2015, atp I am not even phased by these comments lmaooo.
This!! I had seen a moa suggesting online when the txt tickets were sold that instead of buying from resellers and scalpers to instead donate that money. I thought it was a great idea to stick it to people reselling for ridiculous prices and actually do some good.
In my opinion, group without a set-up positions only makes sense when it's a group of all rounders (like txt). You can't spot any members lacking in anything while they can still shine individually. In other cases position less groups don't make sense.
@@c_s_922 Denying it is crazy. They all can sing, dance and rap. They were trained as rap biased group and many people forget about it. Just because they don't have many rap parts doesn't mean they can't rap.
@@c_s_922 now this is a high level of delusion. I recommend watching some of their live performances for example endless rain, it's live stages or any other live performance and about rap you could watch their boy in love cover or blockbuster stage ft. yeonjun. Just because they don't have many opportunities to rap doesn't mean they can't. And shitting on txt vocals is the craziest thing I heard recently.
tbh if you're not into kpop they are often the first group you listen to nowadays. Even when I did a pause from kpop from mid 2021 to the end of 2023, I heard snippets of kpop here and there especially on tiktok but I've seen a lot of Skz content without wanting on youtube on unexpected creators videos.
a lot of boy groups have good b-sides that no one gives a chance bc the first impression (title track) was shit on a platter. xikers and treasure have some of my favorite songs in kpop but almost every one of their title tracks are unlistenable.. it's ridiculous
kpop bg as a whole is just becoming stale tbh... I lost interest in early 2022 not out of deliberate efforts but because I literally forgot about this the only exceptions are bts, txt etc
I feel like you should check out NCT wish I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on them.. and I actually genuinely enjoy their songs especially the Korean version of Wish it sounds really good 💘 also, really missed your videos. I'm glad you're uploading again. 💖💖💖
Unionizing is an interesting concept, but it wouldn’t work in kpop because of how the industry works. The typical kpop lifespan is only a few years (if even that). However you spin it, most kpop idols have a short career in kpop, especially for guys, and there’s significant disparity between idols in the big 3 or big 4 vs small companies. The competition is incredibly steep, so there will always be non-union members waiting in the wings to agree to a lower profit share or otherwise agree to more egregious treatment by the company, and living conditions. How are you going to collect fees from idols who aren’t earning anything until their debts are paid off? Although international fans would support a strike, it’s the Korean fans who really matter. Imagine if their idols decided to strike because a collective bargaining deal can’t be made - that means no new content … music or otherwise for the unforeseeable future. And these proceedings can be protracted. Just look at what’s going on with the physician strike in Korea right now.
They got rid of positions to stop in-fandom fighting. Now nobody can complain about the main or lead vocalists having fewer lines than the sub-vocalists because the company never said who was who. This also stops fights about why the main rapper has no rapping lines in a song but the lead rapper does. This fighting in fandoms like Blinks (Blackpink), Armys (BTS), Onces (Twice), etc is part of what breeds solo stans. Having no positions the line distribution can fluctuate like it needs to based on who the producer thinks sounds the best not based on who has certain positions. Positionless groups don't mean every member is on the same wavelength of talent it just means taking in their talent for what it is. There are too many fights about whether this person is the best rapper or singer because they were given the main position. There are some groups where the positions aren't given based on talent just based on favoritism, etc.
I see the point of not giving positions as a matter of protection: idols can evolve and learn different interests and skills while in a group and, while in a perfect world we could just say "Oh, great, a new talent, so the positions might change, right?", fans can be very clingy to certain positions, and get really upset when faced with change. So a new "dancer", a new "vocalist" or a new "rapper" might not be so well received in a fanbase (specially by solo stans). So the strategy seems, to me, like an attempt to avoid fixed expectations and soften the blow in case of changes. I don't know if that works, honestly, but it makes sense to some extent. I mean, what was exactly the point of naming positions to begin with?
I agree with a lot of your takes but regarding the last one (which I also do agree with) it just reminded me of how widely misguided western fans are when it comes to the fifty fifty case and why they lost and a lot of it is because nugu promoter and fight for fifi lie and intentionally mistranslate a lot of the information regarding their case. The girls are victims, BUT they were in fact in the wrong and that’s mainly because of the lies shared by the adults around them. It wasn’t a case of ‘the idol speaks up for themselves and the malicious company won due to media play’. It was a case of ‘the idols being manipulated by one company to sue another company for the wrong reasons and it backfired BAD.’ Attrakt rightfully won given all the evidence that we have. The abuse wasn’t done by them it was all done by the givers. Aside from lack of transparency in revenue they had no reason to be sued in the first place. If anything all the 50/50 case did was take away from what loona’s and omega X’s lawsuit built for kpop idols. To be honest their situation isn’t even comparable to the latter two. It’s a really sad case all around. It’s also almost wild to see people believe twitter more than dispatch when only one of the two had HARD evidence and it wasn’t those twitter pages.
Stray Kids is huge, and boy group managers are following the "trend" they set (loud music, deep voice member...) Honestly, BTS started it. 😂 I love boy groups, especially when they do something different or are more involved with their music like SKZ, TXT, Enhypen and Boynextdoor. The REAL problem, is that the market is way oversaturated so you just get a bunch of groups that are exactly the same. It would be better to have less groups with more diversity, but companies are gonna company 💰
Dare I say the HYBE hate comes from a place of jealousy. I don’t doubt HYBE has their problems, but when it comes to promoting a group they know how to do it. KPOP fans are mad that their faves company doesn’t put in the work like HYBE does and they’re mad. I highly doubt SM fans would be complaining if SM pushed their groups the way HYBE does theirs. All of HYBES post 2019 groups have gotten multiple hit songs on TikTok (which is a great way to get your group recognition) and have all done some kind of promotion in major music industries. TXT and NWJN at lolla, LSFM at Coachella, Enhypen at the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade, ILLIT at NY fashion week. If other companies did this for their groups they would throw around “payola” and accuse the company of killing kpop😭
I highly doubt sm would even pushed their artists more successful than company😪😪like they cant even promote exo in whole asia except east asia..and why kpop company care about west,asia has biggest populations than west.Getting in top 100 billboard or popular in west is only help group to get notice..
I feel like the boy groups have been getting a little better. I have been desperately waiting for sm to stop pushing the whole nct thing and go back to making good r&b music for their boygroups and i think riize could be it 😂
Thank F there is no more set positions. Kpop by definition is gimmick. What is the difference between “main” and “lead”? None. It is a gimmick. How about the most toxic of all: “Visual”. I’d say good ridden to bad rubbish. If “visual” as a “position” can be destroyed. HYBE finally did what needs to be done in kpop, and Koreaboos and 2nd gen stans everywhere think there the end of all good things in kpop. They need to get over themselves. The kpop companies boycott attempt is an example on everything that is wrong with performative activism. It is disgusting the waste of time and energy that could have been focused on actually helping people in Gaza. Boy groups are doing fine. But I am only looking at TXT, Stray Kids, Enhypen, Seventeen, and Ateez. You are speaking FACTS when calling out the non stop complaints about how BTS music is changing. The whining PREDATES their pandemic gap year English Trilogy. THE NORTH REMEMBERS. Indeed. Plus: Doh. It is music. If they want popcorn, YG is the specialist of unchanging tune. They can go listen to their products. Their sound hasn’t changed since 2008. Borahae. Saranghae. Anyeong. And all that good stuff. Thank you for your video!
I wish Baemon would be more different than they went for. I'm so fed up with noisy music like Sheeesh. Not good for the talent to be a carbon copy of Blackpink but as long as people buy it YG will not change their tone.
Something that upsets me about the whole boycott situation is that if we weren't asked to boycott BTS, armys could have united to do something more impactful over the ongoing genocide. I mean, it's not like armys can singlehandedly stop the bombing, but we're strong enough to do things like calling out politicians and their donors in mass, donations for humanitarian relief... I don't know, using our strengths as a fandom in a productive way and even make alliances with all kpop fandoms for a common cause. But they asked us to harm BTS in the most aggressive way, calling everyone the Z word to the point that the word is losing it's meaning, guilt tripping everyone that doesn't agree with them, calling names, wishing them harm, etc etc etc. And all of this over one man who's removal won't change anything when it comes to the genocide. Now we're bitterly divided and literally no one benefits from any of this, least of all people suffering in gaza. I feel like it's wasted potential. Boycotters and anti boycotters have been nasty towards each other and that breaks my heart.
So well said! I even participated in the five-day boycott because I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Now that I've taken time to reflect on this, it def seemed more like a strategy to boycott BTS, at least by a handful of people. In theory, the boycott was a good idea and came from a genuinely good place, but the way it was turned around and made into a battle of 'whose group is better' by Kpoppies is just sad. I'm just going to focus on our boys and continue to support them from now on. 💜
I’ve been personally not purchasing from Hybe for a while because of a lot of personally worrying decisions and comments from the company but to see people use it as excuses to start fanwars is just sad.
I stop my video to comment on you noisy and boy group music which is so wrong bcoz not all boy group music are noise music, if the song has loud instruments & rap doesn’t means noise music and also if listening to only big 4 and some known K-pop boy group doesn’t include all boys group because there many boy group song are so good but fans like famous group only to flex their idol achievements, also the funny thing is maybe txt, enhypen and bts has song gp friendly song but their song are so autotune that it lost the originality and with those heavy autotune anyone can be a K-pop idol that the reason hybe idol are criticise during encore when their actual voice are heard.
I agree. Twice are my ult groups but I’ll accept criticism. I feel like during their earlier era like what is love was such a good concept but what a once spark
for me as a bg stan, when i listen to gg title tracks thats usually what will make me wanna listen to the rest of the album right - and i listen to A LOT of gg songs so clearly the title tracks slap more often than they dont. however with bgs i either a) genuinely like a title track (or atleast until its inevitably overplayed by my algorithm) b) end up gaslighting myself into liking it or c) don't like it but out of loyalty to the group am more willing to give their bsides a chance and will likely find some gems in there. idk how to explain it and i've never deeped that i do that until this video section of bg songs LMAO but i do think there's some basis in suggesting that gg songs tend to be easier to digest (esp if ur new to kpop or are picky w music)
I’m honestly sad because most boy groups just keep releasing noisy songs, Stray Kids and ATEEZ have done it well but when other groups do it is just a disappointment, Girl groups are releasing more unique music because in my opinion they can do all the concepts and sounds better than boy groups😢
To be honest... Positionless groups feel as an excuse to not label their vocalists in a main, lead, etc., also rappers too. Yes, dancers also fall into this system, but k-pop has become so much performance and dance focused that it's better for your dancing to be better than your singing, and if everyone is a good dancer, then what's the point in having a main and lead? So what's the point in also labeling the main and lead vocalists and rappers? Positions also communicate to a new fan who's coming to the group what to expect of each member. MAMAMOO works as a positionless group, for example, because they have very comparable vocal and a lttle bit of rapping skills, and the same goes for their dancing, so you can expect Solar to have similar skills in singing as Wheein, Wheein close to Hwasa in dancing which is comparable to Moonbyul in rapping. This is NOT the case for all groups. People who start to get to know postionless groups often have the mentality of "oh, so if there's no positions, then everyone's a vocalist/dancer/rapper" which is NEVER the case. Newer fans put the same expectations on every idol on the group if there's no fixed positions, if TWICE was positionless, could someone hold the same expectations in singing for Jihyo and Sana? It wouldn't be fair.
When I saw that some of the biggest groups only get paid once a year I was a bit baffled. Giving the money they make from album sells, RUclips videos, and streams, they should be getting paid twice a year at least. Also for the boy group thing I agree. Imo i think boy groups like Txt, Ateez, P1Harmony and Xikers have some listenable music.
Do you need the company to tell you the position you seem to align to a member anyway? I rather have no position and not have people cry when a member that normally doesn't rap suddenly rap and then say "BUT THE MAIN RAPPER WAS ROBBED" I just really don't get why kpop stans need the clarifications of a position so bad. It literally doesn't make any difference. For me bg music is BAD, gg music is BORING. Occasionally there are good songs from both but overall... What's left for me is the only group I stan and I hope they can leave the kpop sphere one day but that's wishful thinking.
This is completely my personal opinion, but I think we should not associate every little thing an artist/musician does with the Israel-Palestine situation. I live in India and here we dont really hear much about the whole war situation (could be media-play, or that we have the general elections coming up divertingg attention). Only because of my constant exposure to the internet, I know about the adversity of the situation. Starbucks is still consumed here as a matter of fact, although I don't because it is VERY expensive for me, and honestly that is the sole reason and not because someone in the higher ups is associated or supports Israel. Guys I know I will face backlash for this but here we dont ponder over the war situation much. Yes we know of things that happens occasionally through news etc. But we dont make it our life goal to accuse every person we see drinking starbucks of supporting Israel. And I think K-Pop Idols will be even less aware of the daily updates of the issue. They seldom have time to check updates and reports about themselves, you expect them to be aware of something happening in a completely different country? This post is specifically written in the focus of the whole Starbucks accusation things that went on for a while. If an artist is seen with a mug or coffee or smthin from the brand, just educate them and they will understand, like Jake of Enhypen. But do not go around accusing and spreading rumours about their whole identity for a genuine mistake. This again only applies to idols who have made genuine mistakes and then corrected or atleast tried to correct them.
@m.z1256 Congo is at war right now too and they force black African children to dig up the material that makes your smartphone faction are you willing stop throw you phone away and also let's remember Korean is an isolated country how would they know which country has war especially when this war has nothing to do with any country but the long feud between Israel and palatine if anything the middle east people need to help their own people i mean Saudi-Arabia is considered one of the richest countries in this world why can't they donate to their own people i don't understand why people are checking other countries instead of holding their own people accountable instead of forcing other countries to speak on an issue they don't know about because this war goes centuries deep if other countries want to help that's fine but don't throw them into a pit of something they have no relation too.
I also didn't like Boy In Luv and DNA ;-; I liked OLDER BTS. But I can definitely understand the frustration with people complaining about anything BTS does lol
bgs have been making bad boring music for so long that now no one wants to tune in anymore. apparently in 5th gen some bgs have been making okay music but no one is tuning in bc new bgs are a thing that are essentially ignored now. and I 100% blame 4th gen bgs
1.Hate hybe however you want but hybe boygroup music is the only bg music in kpop which is listenable, txt,bts,enhypen,seventeen all make good and unique music 2. The boycott is useless all hybe groups are doing numbers, and scooter is still gonna be a zionist even if he leaves hybe 3. I don't really think positions are that important, for example jihyo is a good dancer but she still isn't in dance line. 4. It has become trend these days for kpop stans to hate on hybe and their artists unprovoked. 5. Bts would release the best in the the world but kpop stans would still force the hate and pretend like its bad due to the prejudice they have about bts. 6. And yes twice is no long interesting, kpop industry is becoming more and more oversaturated and other girl groups are outshining twice in music quality,talent,concept and success. Twice rulled in their peak era but now their peak era is over and it wouldn't come back again no matter how hard they try. They are still one of the most important and successful groups in kpop history.
What do you think of Stray Kids? I'm interested if they are part of the unlistenable songs or something else, they are my favourite, so I want to know yours.
The thing with stray kids is their title track are noisy but they have many b side that are not. And it's ok if someone doesn't like their songs. It's also ok if someone like it
(I apologize if my comment is too long. I just didn't like the fact you used a term/genre as an insult without knowing the definition) That's the thing, Stray Kids doesn't only make "noise music". In fact, they don't make noise music at all. If you look up the definition of noise music, Noise music is a genre of experimental music that uses sound elements that are typically considered unwanted or unpleasant such as static, distortion, and feedback, to create a unique and often abrasive sound. It often lacks traditional melody or rhythm and is focused on exploring the textures and effects of sound. Examples of actual noise music artists include Merzbow, Wolf Eyes, Prurient, and Pharmakon. Stray Kids uses fusions of genres, including hip-hop, EDM, rock, pop, and R&B. Since they use Rock and EDM in their title tracks (not all of their songs), obviously the songs will sound "noisy" to people who don't like Rock or EDM. Saying they only make noise music shows you've only heard their title tracks which contain loud BGM's and bass boosted 808's. They literally have songs such as Secret Secret, 19, Get Cool, Blueprint, Levanter, The View and so much more that aren't loud and are actually soft songs. I respect people's opinion on music since it's subjective and people like what they like but I what I don't respect is people not learning the definition of terms they use to put down a group who makes comebacks/title tracks that use elements of loud genre's such as EDM and Rock, and then generalize their entire discography based on said comebacks/title tracks.
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I disagree with the bts opinion. I was a dedicated army for 5 years but as soon as they rereleased the same song (dynamite) over and over, I became disinterested. It felt like they weren’t in it for the creativity and lore anymore, but just for milking a successful song. Which id stand behind if said song was good. I think dynamite is an okay song on its own because it’s not meant to be taken serious, but replicating it over and over just makes bts’ overall discography look unserious particularly to those who don’t know a lot of bts’ discography. I also just saw a dip in budget with the MVs which we shouldn’t be seeing for the biggest boy group in the world. I think for those that genuinely care about the music, it’s less about the language and just the song itself.
the thing is though, these english singles are just a minuscule part of their entire discography, and it’s not like every single song they have released in recent years is like that. i’m a firm believer in run bts being up there with the best music they’d ever produced, for example
the english trilogy was just that: a trilogy. I don't understand people who see bts as having gone downhill since the trilogy because it's like: have you never listened to their solo projects? Are you just ignoring BE? Can't you see the Take Two? Like I get that it could feel frustrating that BTS is known for unserious projects now in the GP, but it's not their fault, it's about radioplay.
What about all the other songs they released during the past few years that weren't Dynamite, Butter, or Permission To Dance. You do realize BTS weren't going to release anymore music after Map of the Soul: 7 because they were going to do the world tour and then enlist, but then the pandemic happened and they had to do their best with a crappy situation. These songs were gifts, and what about the other songs on BE or their solo songs/albums.
Uhm no Hard pass on this opinion. Right after Dynamite BE happened which was a good and well-produced pandemic album. Then a Japanese compilation album with Film Out literally one of their best Japanese songs to date. I don't know what you expected from BTS during this time because in my opinion they just made do with the situation they were in. They couldn't enlist like they did and had to literally cancel their massive world tour. These songs you described as a way of milking it for money or whatever was what they could do at the time because they literally had a lot of their plans ruined. Ps those English songs y'all love to hate were pop hits period. Whether you wanted BTS to do it or not is nobody’s business. They were good and did what they were supposed to do And now they are killing it as soloists too. Y'all need to be fr
BE, proof and solo Korean albums came after 3 eng songs…. Music quality discourse never makes any sense coz BE is very reminiscent of their early years
I do not like the group of Sorce but lets be honest here, giving their age, giving their work and giving what we know of them it is so dumb to think they have a different or more formed oppinion in such complex conflict than most of us. Of course that girl would not be talking about anything of a politic nature because I doubt she knows more than what is in the news nor care abot them. To trow shade for a beverage or to take out of context a conversation in order to trow shade or hate is dissgusting.
BOY GROUPS ARE NOT LISTENABLE??? GIRL WAKE UP! You're only listening to HYBE that's why. SF9 BIBORA LUN8 - SUPERPOWER NCT DJJ - entire album ONF - Bye My Monster P1HARMONY - Killin' it and many more... You're a FOOL to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and you'll find actual GEMS.
a lot of these r okay or just mid.. if u want to find good bg music u have to really search edit: i listened to all of these and theyre actually not bad! im on the active hunt for better boy group music and ive listened to all these groups and groups like cix, ab6ix, cravity (theyre quite great actually), rize, zb1 (my fave as of rn), tws, bnd, riize, and p1h like u mentioned. i loved p1hs bside for their new album but i hate killin it lol, late night callin has my HEART tho. ive even been visiting albums from 3rd gen boy groups i never rlly listened to (exos new album, some previous shinee albums) but i still confidently believe that the one thing holding boy group music back is the rapping and i still agree with redvelvetsus's opinion on that. the random raps before the prechorus, or raps even acting as a pre/post chorus completely ruin my excitement for a song. i dont think its fair to pretend that boy group music is great though, or on par with gg music, bcs all the songs u listed are the exception where u have to find nugus for. theyre not the overwhelming majority or representing the face of current boy group music.
Girl Groups are way worse than boy groups. So many of the new gg’s have meaningless lyrics, with random English phrases thrown in, and repetitive onomatopoeia. It’s just bubblegum.
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personally idc for set positions or to have them be “official” EXCEPT for leader. every group needs a leader and to pretend like it doesnt need it or they dont have one is ridiculous
the idea of being positionless would be fine if most of the members are aces or can sing/dance equal as good, if not then it makes no sense.
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@@reigenwb blackpink are technically all aces, dont have a leader yet still you can tell... ITS A MESS. Every group needs a leader
Fr, the only positions I really care about is leader and maybe even vocalist, dancer and producer/ lyricist, I honestly just get confused with lead and main, it just means the same thing in my brain, plus visual and maknae are so unessessary and random
@@mariasol1545 Lol.
My opinion: Kpop has become (for years) about what is trendy now. I find myself listen to an album, then never return back to it or return just a couple of times. Like the MVs are like movies, title tracks as well - you watch and listen to it, you like it, then you listen to it a few times, then you forget it, then the artist release their new album, the cycle repeat itself. Like, I see that fans are more into variety shows, seeing their faves on red carpets and commercials because we know nothing about their private lives, so those kind of things help us make scenarios in our heads, make us stan idols and defend them as music becomes something less important. That's why the music is kinda mediocre. For example, I listen to a lot of western artists and can say that their music is top priority for their fans. Dating, parasocial relationships, fan wars, etc, are almost non-existent. I find myself listen to whole discographies of artists and never get bored with them. The thing with Kpop music is that it is like a trend that really fell off and feels kinda empty. Ofc, there will always be a few exceptions but the overall is important.
So true! There are very few mvs and stuff I come back to in their completion
Kpop has ALWAYS been about that is trendy. Pop = POPULAR.
100% agree. I still find myself going back to 2nd and 3rd gen MVs and watching them again. But with 4th and even 5th gen I never find myself doing it. I think this is reflected in view counts, kpop MVs used to make a lot more views overtime than they do now.
When I see this types of comment I just laugh.
K-pop has always been about what is trendy. If you're no longer a fan just say so.
It's fine
think what people in the comments r forgetting about is the mass overproduction of kpop atm because of popularity in the west, and how fast overconsumption of music is happening both in America and in kpop.
nmixx, aespa, and kiss of life are the only 3 groups that could pass being positionless tbh
Aespa really? You can clearly tell their positions
@@rftg1793 well sorta kinda. all members could hit the high note and all members could do the rap verse
@@Cupidador mmm... winter or Ningning could barely do a rap verse in comparison to Giselle tbh
@@rftg1793 to YEWW 🫵🏾
Ironic considering these groups have official positions
Unpopular opinion: Fans have no right to complain about prices that companies put on things if they’re going to buy them anyways. A lot of listeners of TxT were upset seeing how the tickets for their tour were being priced yet still bought them anyways. They’re only feeding into the situation and telling companies they’ll take whatever treatment as long as your favorite’s face is on it.
Exactly! They need only one empty venue: one and we will see the prices going dow or returning to being stable.
Or better, make a schedule for buying tickets so there is no overpricing and they are all cheap. One single rise on prices and stop buying. Once they return to its normal price they can be bought and if the tour is half empty better, next one it will be fast done and competitive prices.
Saying that all boygroups sound the is like comparing Justin Bieber, Drake & Davido, the only thing they have in common is their gender
SO TRUE!! They're only listening to HYBE that's why.
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
'People are fools to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and they'll find actual GEMS.
no boy groups has Been doing noise music for so long it’s getting old and bland same gonna happen to girl groups if they keep doing drill and hip hop music
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq this video just said stop blaming everything on hybe lol
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq lmao there you go blaming hybe again, even hybe bgs have a variety of music like tws, txt, svt, enha, bnd and even bts have very different music that you just refuse to acknowledge, get off your dear "i dont listen to hybe groups" high horse and open your ears and thinking weirdo
8:21 Y’all praise these girl groups then drop them when it’s convenient for you…(not you in particular but gg Stan’s in general)
Exactly, gg stans nowadays are so toxic
I always believed that plenty gg stans will drop groups when they feel they’re overrated or sell out.
kpoptwt is genuinely dangerous bc of the way misinformation is so easily believed and spread. 1 user took a clip of haruto ( a minor and not korean) setting boundries with shippers in the fandom. yg paired him with another member(20+ member mind you) in their webdrama and fans went wild with disgusting fan art and sexual comments on livestreams etc. he didn't word what he was trying to say perfectly.. because he was a child and not 100% fluent in korean. and all it took was 1 person on kpoptwt to post the clip with bad subs and now every other kpop stan thinks he's homophobic. at every award show when an idol does something "fruity" there are hit tweets talking about "IN FRONT OF TREASURE????????" it's so insane how everyone believed and still believes a lie.
I've been noticing a shift in kpop towards songs, i don't enjoy as much. There's always a few bangers but it's often hard for me to find
You're only listening to HYBE that's why.
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and you'll find actual GEMS.
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq I've listened to a good amount of the songs you listed. Other than BTS, I'm not big on hybe. I did sorta like deju but by txt. I'll check out the songs I don't already dislike though
Hard agree on the Twice opinion. I ult Twice but I sadly feel their music has also become more boring in recent years too. It feels devoid of personality and like songs sung by Twice rather than Twice songs™️. 2019-2021 was the sweet spot for me in terms of maturing their sound but keeping their personality and signature energy there. I’ll never abandon them, and I think they still have it in them to make great songs (Queen of Hearts and Hare Hare are amazing) but they’re in a slump for me personally.
Twice makes too many love songs for their title tracks too. They need to switch up the topics. Like set me free could have used a darker topic to match the aesthetics
Whats frustrating is the members write great songs by themselves but they are never picked as title tracks, Twice always had this problem where their title track could be kind of bland and their b sides would be amazing
MY OPINION (From someone who stans BOTH bgs and ggs):If you don't like the "noise" music a lot of bg do, they are A LOT of other bg that don't have that sound eg BOYNEXTDOOR, ZB1, ENHY, TXT, TWS, SVT and so many other bgs. If you actually delve into the world of bgs you will actually see that there is music more than just "noise" music. even groups like SKZ and ATEEZ who helped to popularise to the "noise" music sound, if you actually listen to their music you would know that majority of their music is not even "noise" eg like I AM YOU and Laventer by SKZ are definitely not "noise" music. Honestly it's just like a few years back when people were saying ggs only do the girl crush concept
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS THANK YOU !!
Boynextdoor is so real
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
IF YOU LOOK AROUND, you'll find actual GEMS.
I agree with all your opinions...except the one about boy groups. I agree most of the gb's concepts have been too similar and it's getting boring mostly just seeing the same bad boyish concepts and song vibe but i don't agree that it's all bgs are putting out. And i don't agree that boy groups music is getting bad or that it ever was because even if i dislike one release from one bg I'm loving another from a different bg or a b-side. For me as a multistan of both gg and bg I'd honestly say it's the same. Because there has been a good amount of gg releases i having vibed with the same amount as the bg ones. I think it's mostly just music preference. And if you're only listening to the title tracks of boy groups like Txt, Enhypen, Straykids, and Ateez like- of course you're going to assume all bgs music is using the badboy or loud style that seems to have become trendy. There are definitely way more bgs then that though, i suggest giving them a listen and don't be shy to listen to B-sides like some of these boy groups have been releasing jems and you might just be overlooking them
Where is txts concept loud and bad boy except for good boy gone bad?😂
@@5XKXNXA "Frost" is very loud, you can a argue if that counts as bad boys (they didn’t look like good boy's though lol) "Suger rush ride" isn't really loud but you can't tell me they're not trying to look like bad boys in that video. "Chaising that feeling" is not really loud to me but there are some softies who would think it's too loud 💀 also they think 'black clothes = bad boy' and "Deja vu" has the same thing, except it's a bit louder and sense it's an emo vibe they would think it's bad boy yaknow 👽
@lilylookittykyu3115 I am speechless rn. Are you a comedian?
Are the only things you know "bad boy" and "nice boy" or smth?
I would let Frost (a bside) slide. But the rest are the biggest stretch ever. I want the yoga instructor you got to reach them.
@@5XKXNXA Why you mad? 🤨 I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. I'm saying it while trying to look on those kpop fans point of view. It's just a fact that most kpop fans (especially the gg stans) see all recent TXT comebacks as badboy-ish.
I agree they are not REALLY bad boy concepts but some kpop stans don't care about the details of the comeback (or the song lyrics) and will think anyone wearing black, acting cool or emo or trying to look sexy in the video, THEY will look at that and say "Yeah that's badboy concept" personally I don't think so. I think it just matters how well you can pay attention to the actual concept and what your definition is for "badboy" concept because it seems people mush it up 😶
But anyway- I wasn't saying it in a bad way,, no hate to TXT bruh- (ps I only included "Frost" because it's got a M/V and kpop fans kinda make it seem like it's a title track sooo)
9:53 absolute facts! The north remembers and so do I.
For the BG opinion I got some things to talk about (Coming from a GG and BG stan.)
Now it could just be your taste but personally, I like listening to bgs sometimes more than ggs or ggs more than bgs, it just depends for me.
But not all bgs are "noise music", saying this because groups like boynextdoor, zb1, enhy, txt, tws, svt, etc exist.
Now if you like noise music, cool. You can listen to groups like NCT, Stray Kids, Ateez, etc.
Don't know much abt NCT because like.. I haven't gone into a deep dive into their music yet but for Stray Kids and Ateez, they're not all just noise music (unless you've listened to the title tracks, then that'll explain it)
But if you listened to songs like Utopia, I am You, Take Me, Twilight, Levanter, GLOW, Going Dumb, Deep End, etc. Those can be examples of chill, laid back music, but like.. I'm not gon convince you because then again, thats your taste.
SO TRUE!
People only listening to HYBE and coming to her conclusion is laughable.
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
People are FOOLS to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and they'll find actual GEMS.
A face only a mother could love 🤣🤣🤣.
My exact reaction too 😂
Can someone tell my way gg stans love to shit on boy groups nowadays? It’s so annoying, just don’t listen to boy groups if you don’t like them
They're only listening to HYBE that's why.
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
'People are fools to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and they'll find actual GEMS.
To be fair, she kinda has a point, most bg’s nowadays are very similar in that respect, especially styling and concept wise. I’m not a gg stan and even I can see it. Some of the music is still good tho. Plus, bg and gg stans will always find a way to throw shade at these groups, that’s something that’s never gonna change unfortunately 😔
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq I do want to ask, cause she mentions noise music and I don’t really know any hybe boy groups that make noise music. So what do you mean by this?
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq wdm, I don't know any group in HYBE like that? Your acting like hybe bg didn't give us gems like tinnitus, blue hour, Darl+ing, don't wanna cry, Given-Taken, etc, and don't even get me started about BTS. Your really pretending like other companies doesn't make loud music
@@Jung_lichu HYBE groups may have songs but its hard to listen to them because of the autotune. Same for BTS. Spring Day instruments are louder than vocals and gratifying for the ears despite having good melody. HYBE uses too much autotune, their vocal processing makes ears bleed.
about the boycott opinion: the fact that more “you’re spineless for not boycotting BTS” tweets get thousands of likes & attention than “here’s a direct link to help Palestinian people get the help they need please donate.” is wild. I’m one of the armys who aren’t boycotting because simply bts has nothing to do with it so why punish them? Boycott armys have jumped through hoops to try and make the connection between supporting BTS to funding genocide and that’s where they lost me completely.
They’ve called BTS zionists, made up hypothetical scenarios, and have said “hold them accountable” for what? the boycott has lost the plot. What could’ve been an opportunity to donate money to help Palestine the best we can instead turned into one big hypocritical shit show. lets not forget it’s “boycott all hybe groups” until txt, le sserafim, and svt are all having comebacks or concerts then it doesn’t matter it only applies to bts. If you’re gonna boycott go 100% for it and have the same energy for ALL hybe groups.
No and it's literally so stupid too like they want Scooter out? Then start the boycott with artist under HIS label also boycotting Hybe groups but not the other companies like jyp and kakao when they are literally funding the genocide or have some ties with isnotreal i haven't seen 1% of this energy directed towards them
THISSSS
The way the point of the boycott literally flew over your head like girl….the boycott has nothing to do with the tannies and it never has. It’s about divesting bts from the Zionists and evident Zionism in their company. It’s about making sure that we get that ass scooter braun away and far from the tannies because we know how other rlly famous artists have literally spoken up abt how 🛴 has been ass and taken credit from them and if that’s not enough then there’s also the fact that he is an open Zionist and has met netanyahu and spoken positively abt him on his platforms. It’s the fact that 🛴 has always took his time to spread misinformation and propaganda and he supports israel in this genocide. Now he is being associated with the tannies cuz he’s the ceo of hybe america and with the new singing of the 10 year contract between them it shows he’s just gonna get more involved. Now do you see how supporting *the company* that BTS is in helps to fund a genocide. Because this money that you put in to supporting bts a rlly big part of it doesn’t go to bts but to their company. Do you see how it all ties to each other-
The way the point of the boycott literally flew over your head is insane
This boycott has nothing to do with bts but it has all to do with divesting the tannies and the company their in from Zionists in hybe and the evident Zionism the company has involved in. Firstly, scooter Braun. Literally everyone knows how he has taken credit from artists he worked with and how he’s always been ass because other famous artists he’s worked with have literally spoken up about it. And if that’s not enough then there’s the fact that he’s l openly been a Zionist, had met netanyahu and spoken positively abt him and he’s always taken his sweet time to spread misinformation and Zionist propaganda. But at the end of the day what does this have to do with BTS? I ohh idk considering the fact that he’s already worked with junkook on golden someday there might be the fact that he’ll get more involved with BTS as a whole. And a solid amount of ppl in the music industry already don’t like 🛴 which could defame their names and ruin a lot of things. Now if this isn’t enough for u to want to boycott so some of our voices can get heard and hybe will hit a loss then idk what else to say.
BTS, TXT, Enhypen - only boygroups I listen to/would recommend as well. I've tried keeping my interest in other groups I used to like but it's really unappealing. A few years ago I couldn't understand the appeal of girlgroups and now it's blowing my mind how much better they sound compared to what I listened to before
1000% agree about the hybe boycott. I’m all for standing up for what’s right, but the focus has become about virtually stoning ppl for not wanting to boycott instead of the boycott itself. And it’s like ppl forgot that ultimately it’s about helping Gaza. That’s what always happens with social media justice warriors. The focus always shifts to condemning instead of elevating resources to help ppl.
Also thinking hybe is gonna remove that snake of a man is naive to me I’m sorry :/
I wouldn’t say this on my twitter tho bc again, it’s easier to virtually stone someone even if they tell the hard truth.
Also I don’t see anyone bothering to boycott except armys? Like do other hybe fandoms participate? Genuinely asking. Idk it’s just all over the place. Boycotts can only work when it’s done in unison.
You are so right! And it is incredibly naive to think that man will ever be removed.
Better to spend your time and resources on donating to legit Palestinian organizations and move on from stanning hybe groups if you can't stand that man's presence.
@@sweetlyte the other Hybe fandoms arent boycotting but shaming Army's who refuse to boycott..literally hating and threatening Army...then they say Army should support their Hybe favs.
it's a ClusterFk over on Stan Twt....it's basically boycott BTS/members only
@@Angelictigerjin it’s a MESS. From day1 I just stayed quiet, did what I chose to do and observed. Mess.
@@sweetlyteits turned into a war between fandoms accusing others of only targeting one specific group. It’s such a mess to witness and only shows how immature a lot of users are.
imo, every group should have set positions, but that doesn't mean they all cant be all-rounders. one member should atleast be the best in their own field. for example, a main vocalist being the best at vocal, but does really well at rapping and dancing. just imagine that member suddenly having a rap part in a song, isn't that more shocking?
it also lessens stans arguing over who’s the best vocalist or rapper
I'm still waiting for people to realize that Hybe is not a label, but a corporation. And yeah, there's no hybe boycott, just BTS boycott, is funny to see some people celebrating the numbers of Hope on the Street vol.1 and saying that "this is how boycott is done" but 5 minutes later is talking about how excited they are for SVT concert. Is not about Palestine is about their hate towards BTS and it shows.
I swear if they only spent as much time raising actual funds to donate to Palestinian organizations instead of whatever it is they are doing on twt.
And the whole plot was never there to begin with since that boycott was poorly organized with a ridiculous goal imo.
it’s supposed to be a hybe boycott for all of the groups but it’s overall extremely unorganized and most of the other groups fandoms are not participating
@@pjmlemon3280i wonder if it's because maybe they see how poorly organized it is with no real goal or no realistic goal🤔
@@oliveb. maybe . i think also a lot of people aren’t even aware that there is a boycott happening
The plight of the Palestinian people is not only a humanitarian crisis. It's socio-cultural as well since zionism is an extremist ideology that allows Israel to thrive. Cultural botcotts/action are just as important as donation to address the immediate humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people @oliveb.
I agree with the first one. A group consists of people with strengths and weaknesses, so they can function as s group, filling in the gaps of weaknesses. If you choose to not highlight the strengths, it‘ll look kind of tacky, because it‘s super obvious that a member can’t sing or can’t rap well.
the boy group music point is so true! people are angry at hybe “ruining” kpop and their ggs re-releasing the same songs over and over again, while the truth is boy group stans just can’t cope with the popularity girl groups have acquired among the american GP. none of those boy groups will ever come close to the hybe groups’ numbers simply because they’re making music that is unlistenable
by numbers I mean the MLs, the spotify global chart, etc - the album sales hugely disproportionate to the streams is a separate topic
You're only listening to HYBE that's why.
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
You're a FOOL to think HYBE boy groups are the only ones making listenable music.. GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and you'll find actual GEMS.
my opinion: stray kids’ music is getting worse and worse yet no one is talking about it because they are scared of being called ‘haters’. Now, everyone has their own opinion on their music and while some may enjoy it, Lalalala and S-class are not good enough songs to be listened to. They are loud and nosy only for the sake of impacting the listener but it’s really not great music like???!! Skz have great talent but really now, it hurts me to know it’s being wasted like this
Nobody listens to skz outside their fandom
then explain to us why sclass and lalalala are literally the most successful 4th gen bg songs, if it's that bad no one would have listen to it. Trust skz won't change their sounds just to be more appealing for the gp, i think it might just be time to admit their music are not for u but idk
@@clapch5498 No they aren't???? Stray kids does have the most popular 4th gen boy group songs but it sure as hell isn't sclass and lalalala, gods menu, maniac, thunderous and backdoor are all way more popular. Their last 3 comebacks have actually been their least successful ones. Gods menu and maniac are great, sclass and lalala are not
I mean, sclass cant even be considered noise music, & la4 is phonk/heavy edm and phonk and edm are obviously noisy, I need kpop stans to know that not all noise music is the same, even rock is noise music, but calling them "bad" bc u don't like it is just subjective, so I respect that🤷🏾♀️
@@prestonroberts8258 i forgot to mention in 2023 but my point still stands
my opinion: I'm a fan of trendy dyed hair for comebacks rather than this "natural healthy look" we've seen with both newjeans and illit, yeah I think it was cool and different for newjeans to do it with their debut but I hope it doesn't become a trend that everyone follows.
its so disgusting that fans will find a way to make their idol seem better and ethical but taking things out of context like the whole ceasefire yunjin situation thing like u r fucked wtf
10:53 It’s the bandwagoning for me. Honestly, I am always transparent- I was late to BTS and “Save Me” was my introduction to them. However, I feel everyone knows that in the beginning their music was not well received. It was admirable in a sociopolitical context- as we have seen in other forms of media like, “Squid Games,” “Parasite,” and even in songs like “Gangnam Style,” South Korea’s consumerism, materialism, and obsession with luxury has lead to a very toxic cultural and socioeconomic climate. BTS’s first song was confronted the school system that encouraged conformity, overachieving, and the commodifying of identity to simply pursue money and material gain and how the youth feel unheard and lied to from their institutions and systems…and everyone hated it at first! K-Pop fans didn’t get it, it was critically panned, and BTS often detail they were mocked by interviewers and music show host. Anyone saying they hate their new stuff, and “miss the old BTS,” is talking about WHEN they moved towards a more mainstream sound which is essentially what lead to the current era of music they are in. So it makes no sense.
Also i dont get the "old bts".....like what old bts? The 2013-14?2015 bts? Or the 2016 wings bts?2017-19 bts?
the fact that people always complain that bts has become westernized , like bitch be fr , who tf in western make those bubbly fun songs
I had been hearing this 'bts westernized' thing since boy will luv era which was 2019, way b4 dynamite era😬
I think that Kpop is going to start declining soon. It's the same stuff over and over again
it is already. i miss k-pop before 2016
It'll never decline in popularity, its only getting bigger but the quality might decline
Takes like these are so lazy, it’s just going in a direction thats not your taste anymore, people have been saying that same thing for years and years and it just means its developing out of the form they’re used to. People have been saying this for all time about all music. I get your opinion but respectfully, just admit it’s not for you anymore
Its not a "Hybe boycott" its a BTS boycott and thats why I don't take these people seriously. Illit had a super successful debut (with a potential hot100 debut btw), TXT sold over a million copies, LSF cb was also a success, and SVT about to sell 250 photo cards as well as concert tickets.
Its so perfomative to act as if it's a company boycott when literally anybody else is supporting their faves just fine while armys get called z!onists over streaming BTS.
clock that tea
"sell 250 photocarads" i fcking died 😭😭😭
@@Singularitaee pledis needs to be stopped
@@jk-gc0713 oh spill
the problem is that bgs title tracks sound like a train wreck 😭😭 the bsides are cute, it’s just irresponsible of a company to waste a good album for a noisy trash fire of a title track💀 (and this is wayyy too common) sorry if this sounds too mean but meh🧍🏽♀️
@@tiw5143 did I mention anyone specific tho? I’m just saying companies think noise music is trendy, not that all group release noise music 😀
@@yoongisthreedollarchain719That's her point. She is saying that there's many boy groups who doesn't have noisy title track.
heavy on the point that the focus should be on actively donating and providing funds for people currently stuck. fighting each other on who has better morals rn is just reducing the entire thing to a fanwar atp. like this is not going to help anyone but turn people against each other when we could be a fandom and work as a whole to donate and raise money for families.
and yes, kpop stans have a history of saying that bts' last comeback was the last best comeback they ever had, like when fake love came out these people swore that dna was the their last best song when dna was dragged through mud so being an ARMY since 2015, atp I am not even phased by these comments lmaooo.
This!! I had seen a moa suggesting online when the txt tickets were sold that instead of buying from resellers and scalpers to instead donate that money.
I thought it was a great idea to stick it to people reselling for ridiculous prices and actually do some good.
In my opinion, group without a set-up positions only makes sense when it's a group of all rounders (like txt). You can't spot any members lacking in anything while they can still shine individually. In other cases position less groups don't make sense.
I agree. If you can tell who the Main rapper is then it looks goofy
txt all rounders?? we have lost the plot
@@c_s_922 Denying it is crazy. They all can sing, dance and rap. They were trained as rap biased group and many people forget about it. Just because they don't have many rap parts doesn't mean they can't rap.
@@Lucy-ys6mv they can't rap at all, and also struggle with singing.
@@c_s_922 now this is a high level of delusion. I recommend watching some of their live performances for example endless rain, it's live stages or any other live performance and about rap you could watch their boy in love cover or blockbuster stage ft. yeonjun. Just because they don't have many opportunities to rap doesn't mean they can't. And shitting on txt vocals is the craziest thing I heard recently.
I've gotten more people into kpop with stray kid's music than ggs...
tbh if you're not into kpop they are often the first group you listen to nowadays. Even when I did a pause from kpop from mid 2021 to the end of 2023, I heard snippets of kpop here and there especially on tiktok but I've seen a lot of Skz content without wanting on youtube on unexpected creators videos.
a lot of boy groups have good b-sides that no one gives a chance bc the first impression (title track) was shit on a platter. xikers and treasure have some of my favorite songs in kpop but almost every one of their title tracks are unlistenable.. it's ridiculous
kpop bg as a whole is just becoming stale tbh... I lost interest in early 2022 not out of deliberate efforts but because I literally forgot about this
the only exceptions are bts, txt etc
I feel like you should check out NCT wish I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on them.. and I actually genuinely enjoy their songs especially the Korean version of Wish it
sounds really good 💘 also, really missed your videos.
I'm glad you're uploading again. 💖💖💖
Yay! Someone who supports FIFTY FIFTY. Also, they still have a main lawsuit. Though considering everything that happened to them, it has me worried.
Unionizing is an interesting concept, but it wouldn’t work in kpop because of how the industry works. The typical kpop lifespan is only a few years (if even that). However you spin it, most kpop idols have a short career in kpop, especially for guys, and there’s significant disparity between idols in the big 3 or big 4 vs small companies. The competition is incredibly steep, so there will always be non-union members waiting in the wings to agree to a lower profit share or otherwise agree to more egregious treatment by the company, and living conditions. How are you going to collect fees from idols who aren’t earning anything until their debts are paid off? Although international fans would support a strike, it’s the Korean fans who really matter. Imagine if their idols decided to strike because a collective bargaining deal can’t be made - that means no new content … music or otherwise for the unforeseeable future. And these proceedings can be protracted. Just look at what’s going on with the physician strike in Korea right now.
They got rid of positions to stop in-fandom fighting. Now nobody can complain about the main or lead vocalists having fewer lines than the sub-vocalists because the company never said who was who. This also stops fights about why the main rapper has no rapping lines in a song but the lead rapper does. This fighting in fandoms like Blinks (Blackpink), Armys (BTS), Onces (Twice), etc is part of what breeds solo stans. Having no positions the line distribution can fluctuate like it needs to based on who the producer thinks sounds the best not based on who has certain positions. Positionless groups don't mean every member is on the same wavelength of talent it just means taking in their talent for what it is. There are too many fights about whether this person is the best rapper or singer because they were given the main position. There are some groups where the positions aren't given based on talent just based on favoritism, etc.
I see the point of not giving positions as a matter of protection: idols can evolve and learn different interests and skills while in a group and, while in a perfect world we could just say "Oh, great, a new talent, so the positions might change, right?", fans can be very clingy to certain positions, and get really upset when faced with change. So a new "dancer", a new "vocalist" or a new "rapper" might not be so well received in a fanbase (specially by solo stans). So the strategy seems, to me, like an attempt to avoid fixed expectations and soften the blow in case of changes. I don't know if that works, honestly, but it makes sense to some extent. I mean, what was exactly the point of naming positions to begin with?
I agree with a lot of your takes but regarding the last one (which I also do agree with) it just reminded me of how widely misguided western fans are when it comes to the fifty fifty case and why they lost and a lot of it is because nugu promoter and fight for fifi lie and intentionally mistranslate a lot of the information regarding their case. The girls are victims, BUT they were in fact in the wrong and that’s mainly because of the lies shared by the adults around them. It wasn’t a case of ‘the idol speaks up for themselves and the malicious company won due to media play’. It was a case of ‘the idols being manipulated by one company to sue another company for the wrong reasons and it backfired BAD.’ Attrakt rightfully won given all the evidence that we have. The abuse wasn’t done by them it was all done by the givers. Aside from lack of transparency in revenue they had no reason to be sued in the first place. If anything all the 50/50 case did was take away from what loona’s and omega X’s lawsuit built for kpop idols. To be honest their situation isn’t even comparable to the latter two. It’s a really sad case all around. It’s also almost wild to see people believe twitter more than dispatch when only one of the two had HARD evidence and it wasn’t those twitter pages.
8:57 DANGGGG
Stray Kids is huge, and boy group managers are following the "trend" they set (loud music, deep voice member...) Honestly, BTS started it. 😂 I love boy groups, especially when they do something different or are more involved with their music like SKZ, TXT, Enhypen and Boynextdoor. The REAL problem, is that the market is way oversaturated so you just get a bunch of groups that are exactly the same. It would be better to have less groups with more diversity, but companies are gonna company 💰
Dare I say the HYBE hate comes from a place of jealousy. I don’t doubt HYBE has their problems, but when it comes to promoting a group they know how to do it. KPOP fans are mad that their faves company doesn’t put in the work like HYBE does and they’re mad. I highly doubt SM fans would be complaining if SM pushed their groups the way HYBE does theirs. All of HYBES post 2019 groups have gotten multiple hit songs on TikTok (which is a great way to get your group recognition) and have all done some kind of promotion in major music industries. TXT and NWJN at lolla, LSFM at Coachella, Enhypen at the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade, ILLIT at NY fashion week. If other companies did this for their groups they would throw around “payola” and accuse the company of killing kpop😭
I highly doubt sm would even pushed their artists more successful than company😪😪like they cant even promote exo in whole asia except east asia..and why kpop company care about west,asia has biggest populations than west.Getting in top 100 billboard or popular in west is only help group to get notice..
Exactly
I like dynamite and butter but I kinda stop stanning after like boy with love tbh😭😭😭
i stopped stanning after i need u 😩
I feel like the boy groups have been getting a little better. I have been desperately waiting for sm to stop pushing the whole nct thing and go back to making good r&b music for their boygroups and i think riize could be it 😂
TWS is worth to check out too.
nct makes r&b music.. wtf r u talking abt
Thank F there is no more set positions. Kpop by definition is gimmick. What is the difference between “main” and “lead”? None. It is a gimmick. How about the most toxic of all: “Visual”. I’d say good ridden to bad rubbish. If “visual” as a “position” can be destroyed.
HYBE finally did what needs to be done in kpop, and Koreaboos and 2nd gen stans everywhere think there the end of all good things in kpop. They need to get over themselves.
The kpop companies boycott attempt is an example on everything that is wrong with performative activism. It is disgusting the waste of time and energy that could have been focused on actually helping people in Gaza.
Boy groups are doing fine. But I am only looking at TXT, Stray Kids, Enhypen, Seventeen, and Ateez.
You are speaking FACTS when calling out the non stop complaints about how BTS music is changing. The whining PREDATES their pandemic gap year English Trilogy. THE NORTH REMEMBERS. Indeed. Plus: Doh. It is music.
If they want popcorn, YG is the specialist of unchanging tune. They can go listen to their products. Their sound hasn’t changed since 2008.
Borahae. Saranghae. Anyeong. And all that good stuff.
Thank you for your video!
I wish Baemon would be more different than they went for. I'm so fed up with noisy music like Sheeesh. Not good for the talent to be a carbon copy of Blackpink but as long as people buy it YG will not change their tone.
Something that upsets me about the whole boycott situation is that if we weren't asked to boycott BTS, armys could have united to do something more impactful over the ongoing genocide. I mean, it's not like armys can singlehandedly stop the bombing, but we're strong enough to do things like calling out politicians and their donors in mass, donations for humanitarian relief... I don't know, using our strengths as a fandom in a productive way and even make alliances with all kpop fandoms for a common cause. But they asked us to harm BTS in the most aggressive way, calling everyone the Z word to the point that the word is losing it's meaning, guilt tripping everyone that doesn't agree with them, calling names, wishing them harm, etc etc etc. And all of this over one man who's removal won't change anything when it comes to the genocide. Now we're bitterly divided and literally no one benefits from any of this, least of all people suffering in gaza. I feel like it's wasted potential.
Boycotters and anti boycotters have been nasty towards each other and that breaks my heart.
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Very well said.
So well said!
I even participated in the five-day boycott because I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Now that I've taken time to reflect on this, it def seemed more like a strategy to boycott BTS, at least by a handful of people.
In theory, the boycott was a good idea and came from a genuinely good place, but the way it was turned around and made into a battle of 'whose group is better' by Kpoppies is just sad.
I'm just going to focus on our boys and continue to support them from now on. 💜
I’ve been personally not purchasing from Hybe for a while because of a lot of personally worrying decisions and comments from the company but to see people use it as excuses to start fanwars is just sad.
I missed when groups had positions . Like it was so cool and organise and each group had a role and to focus on what they are very good at
I stop my video to comment on you noisy and boy group music which is so wrong bcoz not all boy group music are noise music, if the song has loud instruments & rap doesn’t means noise music and also if listening to only big 4 and some known K-pop boy group doesn’t include all boys group because there many boy group song are so good but fans like famous group only to flex their idol achievements, also the funny thing is maybe txt, enhypen and bts has song gp friendly song but their song are so autotune that it lost the originality and with those heavy autotune anyone can be a K-pop idol that the reason hybe idol are criticise during encore when their actual voice are heard.
I agree. Twice are my ult groups but I’ll accept criticism. I feel like during their earlier era like what is love was such a good concept but what a once spark
I agree with every single opinion you had!
for me as a bg stan, when i listen to gg title tracks thats usually what will make me wanna listen to the rest of the album right - and i listen to A LOT of gg songs so clearly the title tracks slap more often than they dont. however with bgs i either a) genuinely like a title track (or atleast until its inevitably overplayed by my algorithm) b) end up gaslighting myself into liking it or c) don't like it but out of loyalty to the group am more willing to give their bsides a chance and will likely find some gems in there. idk how to explain it and i've never deeped that i do that until this video section of bg songs LMAO but i do think there's some basis in suggesting that gg songs tend to be easier to digest (esp if ur new to kpop or are picky w music)
txt save tho
I’m honestly sad because most boy groups just keep releasing noisy songs, Stray Kids and ATEEZ have done it well but when other groups do it is just a disappointment, Girl groups are releasing more unique music because in my opinion they can do all the concepts and sounds better than boy groups😢
To be honest... Positionless groups feel as an excuse to not label their vocalists in a main, lead, etc., also rappers too. Yes, dancers also fall into this system, but k-pop has become so much performance and dance focused that it's better for your dancing to be better than your singing, and if everyone is a good dancer, then what's the point in having a main and lead? So what's the point in also labeling the main and lead vocalists and rappers?
Positions also communicate to a new fan who's coming to the group what to expect of each member. MAMAMOO works as a positionless group, for example, because they have very comparable vocal and a lttle bit of rapping skills, and the same goes for their dancing, so you can expect Solar to have similar skills in singing as Wheein, Wheein close to Hwasa in dancing which is comparable to Moonbyul in rapping. This is NOT the case for all groups.
People who start to get to know postionless groups often have the mentality of "oh, so if there's no positions, then everyone's a vocalist/dancer/rapper" which is NEVER the case. Newer fans put the same expectations on every idol on the group if there's no fixed positions, if TWICE was positionless, could someone hold the same expectations in singing for Jihyo and Sana? It wouldn't be fair.
When I saw that some of the biggest groups only get paid once a year I was a bit baffled. Giving the money they make from album sells, RUclips videos, and streams, they should be getting paid twice a year at least.
Also for the boy group thing I agree. Imo i think boy groups like Txt, Ateez, P1Harmony and Xikers have some listenable music.
Do you need the company to tell you the position you seem to align to a member anyway?
I rather have no position and not have people cry when a member that normally doesn't rap suddenly rap and then say "BUT THE MAIN RAPPER WAS ROBBED"
I just really don't get why kpop stans need the clarifications of a position so bad. It literally doesn't make any difference.
For me bg music is BAD, gg music is BORING. Occasionally there are good songs from both but overall...
What's left for me is the only group I stan and I hope they can leave the kpop sphere one day but that's wishful thinking.
This is completely my personal opinion, but I think we should not associate every little thing an artist/musician does with the Israel-Palestine situation. I live in India and here we dont really hear much about the whole war situation (could be media-play, or that we have the general elections coming up divertingg attention). Only because of my constant exposure to the internet, I know about the adversity of the situation. Starbucks is still consumed here as a matter of fact, although I don't because it is VERY expensive for me, and honestly that is the sole reason and not because someone in the higher ups is associated or supports Israel. Guys I know I will face backlash for this but here we dont ponder over the war situation much. Yes we know of things that happens occasionally through news etc. But we dont make it our life goal to accuse every person we see drinking starbucks of supporting Israel. And I think K-Pop Idols will be even less aware of the daily updates of the issue. They seldom have time to check updates and reports about themselves, you expect them to be aware of something happening in a completely different country? This post is specifically written in the focus of the whole Starbucks accusation things that went on for a while. If an artist is seen with a mug or coffee or smthin from the brand, just educate them and they will understand, like Jake of Enhypen. But do not go around accusing and spreading rumours about their whole identity for a genuine mistake. This again only applies to idols who have made genuine mistakes and then corrected or atleast tried to correct them.
i am disappointed
stop making excuses for the idols for god sake...these idols know what's going on
@m.z1256 Congo is at war right now too and they force black African children to dig up the material that makes your smartphone faction are you willing stop throw you phone away and also let's remember Korean is an isolated country how would they know which country has war especially when this war has nothing to do with any country but the long feud between Israel and palatine if anything the middle east people need to help their own people i mean Saudi-Arabia is considered one of the richest countries in this world why can't they donate to their own people i don't understand why people are checking other countries instead of holding their own people accountable instead of forcing other countries to speak on an issue they don't know about because this war goes centuries deep if other countries want to help that's fine but don't throw them into a pit of something they have no relation too.
I also didn't like Boy In Luv and DNA ;-;
I liked OLDER BTS. But I can definitely understand the frustration with people complaining about anything BTS does lol
Tbh tho even then people complained about their music back then as well BTS just can’t win 😭
@@joonsdimplei remember that twt about "missing old BTS" from 2013 when BTS was a literal 3 months old group 😭😭
bgs have been making bad boring music for so long that now no one wants to tune in anymore. apparently in 5th gen some bgs have been making okay music but no one is tuning in bc new bgs are a thing that are essentially ignored now. and I 100% blame 4th gen bgs
1.Hate hybe however you want but hybe boygroup music is the only bg music in kpop which is listenable, txt,bts,enhypen,seventeen all make good and unique music
2. The boycott is useless all hybe groups are doing numbers, and scooter is still gonna be a zionist even if he leaves hybe
3. I don't really think positions are that important, for example jihyo is a good dancer but she still isn't in dance line.
4. It has become trend these days for kpop stans to hate on hybe and their artists unprovoked.
5. Bts would release the best in the the world but kpop stans would still force the hate and pretend like its bad due to the prejudice they have about bts.
6. And yes twice is no long interesting, kpop industry is becoming more and more oversaturated and other girl groups are outshining twice in music quality,talent,concept and success. Twice rulled in their peak era but now their peak era is over and it wouldn't come back again no matter how hard they try. They are still one of the most important and successful groups in kpop history.
What do you think of Stray Kids? I'm interested if they are part of the unlistenable songs or something else, they are my favourite, so I want to know yours.
No offense but she said she hates the noise music and skz is literally the face of noise music so I think you won't like her answer to that.
The thing with stray kids is their title track are noisy but they have many b side that are not. And it's ok if someone doesn't like their songs. It's also ok if someone like it
@@5XKXNXAthe reason why bgs kept making noise music is because of stray kids popularizing that. They tried to recreate their sound and failed.
(I apologize if my comment is too long. I just didn't like the fact you used a term/genre as an insult without knowing the definition)
That's the thing, Stray Kids doesn't only make "noise music". In fact, they don't make noise music at all. If you look up the definition of noise music, Noise music is a genre of experimental music that uses sound elements that are typically considered unwanted or unpleasant such as static, distortion, and feedback, to create a unique and often abrasive sound. It often lacks traditional melody or rhythm and is focused on exploring the textures and effects of sound. Examples of actual noise music artists include Merzbow, Wolf Eyes, Prurient, and Pharmakon.
Stray Kids uses fusions of genres, including hip-hop, EDM, rock, pop, and R&B. Since they use Rock and EDM in their title tracks (not all of their songs), obviously the songs will sound "noisy" to people who don't like Rock or EDM.
Saying they only make noise music shows you've only heard their title tracks which contain loud BGM's and bass boosted 808's. They literally have songs such as Secret Secret, 19, Get Cool, Blueprint, Levanter, The View and so much more that aren't loud and are actually soft songs.
I respect people's opinion on music since it's subjective and people like what they like but I what I don't respect is people not learning the definition of terms they use to put down a group who makes comebacks/title tracks that use elements of loud genre's such as EDM and Rock, and then generalize their entire discography based on said comebacks/title tracks.
I stopped listening to BTS before they became big so I don't really know anything about their English releases.
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I disagree with the bts opinion. I was a dedicated army for 5 years but as soon as they rereleased the same song (dynamite) over and over, I became disinterested. It felt like they weren’t in it for the creativity and lore anymore, but just for milking a successful song. Which id stand behind if said song was good. I think dynamite is an okay song on its own because it’s not meant to be taken serious, but replicating it over and over just makes bts’ overall discography look unserious particularly to those who don’t know a lot of bts’ discography. I also just saw a dip in budget with the MVs which we shouldn’t be seeing for the biggest boy group in the world. I think for those that genuinely care about the music, it’s less about the language and just the song itself.
the thing is though, these english singles are just a minuscule part of their entire discography, and it’s not like every single song they have released in recent years is like that. i’m a firm believer in run bts being up there with the best music they’d ever produced, for example
the english trilogy was just that: a trilogy. I don't understand people who see bts as having gone downhill since the trilogy because it's like: have you never listened to their solo projects? Are you just ignoring BE? Can't you see the Take Two? Like I get that it could feel frustrating that BTS is known for unserious projects now in the GP, but it's not their fault, it's about radioplay.
What about all the other songs they released during the past few years that weren't Dynamite, Butter, or Permission To Dance. You do realize BTS weren't going to release anymore music after Map of the Soul: 7 because they were going to do the world tour and then enlist, but then the pandemic happened and they had to do their best with a crappy situation. These songs were gifts, and what about the other songs on BE or their solo songs/albums.
Uhm no
Hard pass on this opinion. Right after Dynamite BE happened which was a good and well-produced pandemic album. Then a Japanese compilation album with Film Out literally one of their best Japanese songs to date. I don't know what you expected from BTS during this time because in my opinion they just made do with the situation they were in. They couldn't enlist like they did and had to literally cancel their massive world tour. These songs you described as a way of milking it for money or whatever was what they could do at the time because they literally had a lot of their plans ruined.
Ps those English songs y'all love to hate were pop hits period. Whether you wanted BTS to do it or not is nobody’s business. They were good and did what they were supposed to do
And now they are killing it as soloists too. Y'all need to be fr
BE, proof and solo Korean albums came after 3 eng songs…. Music quality discourse never makes any sense coz BE is very reminiscent of their early years
I do not like the group of Sorce but lets be honest here, giving their age, giving their work and giving what we know of them it is so dumb to think they have a different or more formed oppinion in such complex conflict than most of us.
Of course that girl would not be talking about anything of a politic nature because I doubt she knows more than what is in the news nor care abot them.
To trow shade for a beverage or to take out of context a conversation in order to trow shade or hate is dissgusting.
BOY GROUPS ARE NOT LISTENABLE??? GIRL WAKE UP!
You're only listening to HYBE that's why.
SF9 BIBORA
LUN8 - SUPERPOWER
NCT DJJ - entire album
ONF - Bye My Monster
P1HARMONY - Killin' it
and many more...
You're a FOOL to think boy groups only have empty chorus or shouting choruses.. GET OUT OF HYBE BUBBLE and you'll find actual GEMS.
they're a hybe stan who only likes hybe boy groups so we really shouldn't be surprised
a lot of these r okay or just mid.. if u want to find good bg music u have to really search
edit: i listened to all of these and theyre actually not bad! im on the active hunt for better boy group music and ive listened to all these groups and groups like cix, ab6ix, cravity (theyre quite great actually), rize, zb1 (my fave as of rn), tws, bnd, riize, and p1h like u mentioned. i loved p1hs bside for their new album but i hate killin it lol, late night callin has my HEART tho. ive even been visiting albums from 3rd gen boy groups i never rlly listened to (exos new album, some previous shinee albums) but i still confidently believe that the one thing holding boy group music back is the rapping and i still agree with redvelvetsus's opinion on that. the random raps before the prechorus, or raps even acting as a pre/post chorus completely ruin my excitement for a song. i dont think its fair to pretend that boy group music is great though, or on par with gg music, bcs all the songs u listed are the exception where u have to find nugus for. theyre not the overwhelming majority or representing the face of current boy group music.
Girl Groups are way worse than boy groups. So many of the new gg’s have meaningless lyrics, with random English phrases thrown in, and repetitive onomatopoeia. It’s just bubblegum.
the fact that people always complain that bts has become westernized , like bitch be fr , who tf in western make those bubbly fun songs