How to Cheat Pushback Nosecones According to You
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Everyone seems to have a theory about how other people cheat their pushback nosecones. Let's look at the most common complaints and see if an active Race Director and Steward has seen any of them or if he thinks they are just competitors' paranoia.
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I think back to the 1980s and we had no big plastic bumpers, no plastic side nerfs and just a bar from frame rail to frame rail in the back. We did not have a problem with drivers running into other karts because most times it would not end well so we just had good racing.
I began racing in 92 before bodywork and I recall quite a bit of contact and lots of people getting injured. Maybe you just raced against smarter people than I did. Lol
@@OakmanOnRacing You might be correct. I don't know how often I have seen fathers on the grid telling their boys and girls to bump and run bump and run. Not a good thing to teach.
I know people who’ve put their transponder right behind the nosecone and bumper. Completely hidden in plain sight.
Weird. CKNA prescribes the transponder be located 9” back from the kingpin. Kartsport Canada and ASN/GDS require it be located on the back of the seat. You’d think someone would notice.
You mention the hand tightening of the bumper brackets. One of the interesting rules is that the bumper bracket must be able to be removed by the driver, without tools. Now, in JR and below classes it really can't just be the driver. If the mechanic can tighten them pretty damn tight by hand, that should be fine, even if the driver (the kid) might not easily be able to release it. In all our series the mechanic is called on to remove the bumper if asked. I never use tools on mine to tighten them. Always by hand - and it's really the flipping down of the lock that's the hard part... but I do get them tight.
The series I work for make exceptions for Junior categories allowing the mechanic to attach it. But, as you say, it has to be hand tight.
people also heat the bumpers themselves to make them softer. They also put a small piece of tyre rubber between the bars and the black plastic piece. Also, they flex the bumpers agains the ground to create a "weaker" spot on the sides of the bumpers, so if you hit someone from the side of the bumper, the corners will flex and not activate. Also, I've seen people going back to the pre-grid on the cool down lap, entangling the activated front bumper with other driver rear bumper, braking it so the rear bumper will pull the bumper back to position. It's difficult to do, but I've seen people sucessfuly doint it.
Thats a good list. Soft bumpers are a problem I have talked about. Truthfully, the manufacturers make them pretty soft to begin with. Objects between the slide and bumper are easy to catch. I have seen it a few times but not often. Weakening the sides is interesting, but would also soften the hit to the other kart. Interesting idea to try and use another karts bumper to pull out the pushback. I could see it working for one side activation, but not full. The series I work for only penalize full activations. It would also be a penalty if caught.
@@OakmanOnRacing people get very creative to avoid the bumper penalties …
Competitors sometimes forget that the series and its officials are not competition. Lol
Hello everyone, in my opinion the front bumper should be assembled by the driver after checking the entry into the pre-grid. In reality it is a regulatory accessory that everyone has to overcome anyway. In reality it takes a lot of work away from the commissioner. But it is necessary to do something for the sake of the truth, yes it is.
The bumper it self it being heated so it gets softer, the KG is very easy to get soft so its very forgiving.
I have seen the black pushback attachments being modified, very rarely (as in never) have i seen it being meassured.
The trick with over tightning the clamps is very used, a lot are unable to remove them without using tools..
Is the pushback bumpets perfect, absolutely not, but after we started to use then in 24 we have seen a clear drop in drivers being pushed off, and the first corner incidents have been reduced.
Soft nosecones are for sure a problem. As for the measurements you could bring it up with the series and ask them to check. All of the measurements are available on the FIA website.
baby proofing the sport and taking away responsibility from the stewards and officials to give out proper penalties, unfortunately bumping etc is so supported in all sorts of american motorsports that the kids grow up watching nascar drivers doing it and thinking it's ok because they see their idols doing it.
Seeing contact in major series is a big problem. No question. And I will do a video about officiating in the near future. Just looking for a good in.
Does CKNA have pushback rules? Nothing I could find in the rules.
They don’t. They are the only series in Ontario that doesn’t.
Activate?? Im confused. Dont race karts but im curious
No worries. Activation is just want we say when the bumper has been pushed all the way back. When that happens it is an automatic penalty.
If they are working as intended what stops the guy in front from brake checking you to make you get a penalty?
Nothing.... it happens during formation laps to elimate competition.....
Depends on the circumstance. Check out my video on brake checking.
@@OakmanOnRacing The fix to both problems is going backto pre 1990's and have no plastics at all except maybe a nassau panel. All of a sudden 99 out of 100 drivers will be driving within their ability and not barging through the field because their plastic courage is gone.
THERE CALLED DROPDOWNS 😂
🤣 Not according to the FIA or Kartsport Canada.
Why not mandate a linkage from the nose cone to the brake pedal, such that contact applies the brakes. Like a surge brake on a trailer.🤔
The next video on Monday is going to cover exactly that idea as well as a few others.
I am sure there are some pretty smart people that can manipulate these. The majority of them are going to be in the back. All we do is spray brake cleaner on the rubber to make sure there is no buildup of dirt and oil. If the bumper is pushed in a couple of times, we replace the rubber pieces (for big races)
Mid to rear of the field is where the less sophisticated cheats happen for sure. Up front is where it gets more sneaky. Btw, what rubber pieces are you talking about? Do you mean the plastic slide portion?
@@OakmanOnRacing the rubber brackets and the crash bar. spray and wipe to make sure the surfaces are clean.
@@etutwiler...it's not rubber. It's plastic
@@helmetculture yep
bumpers in the sun .... molding them and making them softer ... so that the bumper itself just crumbles when it was supposed to hit the push ind drop nose system.
i myself is kind of against the push in noses ... first of all, once you have a penalty, you cant get more.... so from there you free to run everybody off ...
people just use sidepods for same action now also....
În general officials should have more power to hand out 3 sec, 5sec, 10sec - blackflags. etc.
A few people have mentioned the sun heating the plastic. The lack of material specs is a problem. I personally love the idea of pushback nosecones but I dislike the execution. Until it gets fixed it feels like they aren’t worth it.
here in europa some championships dont allow the bumper if it is hot
If you haven’t seen any of these tactics at tech that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not being done, just means they’re not the ones winning… maybe should focus more on driving and setup and less on stopping a bumper pushback hahaha
Hahaha. Good point.