He’s usually so calm and collected, cite Bristol Dirt 2022, wrecked for his first win and was just perfectly fine with it. He was not happy at all, but that’s how it’s been all season.
I think that 23XI might do better if both teams, as well as Hamlin (their owner/fellow competitor), simply take the time to work on pit road issues, and start working more to build on consistent performance, and overall team confidence. The more they struggle, especially Wallace, the more their confidence and morale will drop. They just need to work on turning their weaknesses into strengths, and they’ll get better.
And if not a win... No less than a top 5! Instead of finishing 30th!!! But, seriously you can't compare Kurt Busch's talent with either of the 2 current drivers! Before he was prematurely retired... He had a real chance of winning the Championship last year!
I wouldn argue that they'd have only a few more wins than they currently would. Reddick would definitely light up the charts, but Bubba seems like he's someone who's gonna consistently fill that 10th-15th spot and probably average a win a season.
23XI is NASCAR's Ferrari in terms of how inconsistent that team is during races. Think of the countless times Tyler Reddick and Bubba Wallace have lost potential wins and top 10s because of pit crew errors and poor execution, just like the countless times Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz have lost wins and podiums due to poor strategy.
As a Ferrari fan, you are 100% right about that. I really think Ferrari as a whole (not just the F1 team) is very poorly run almost as if Fiat doesn't give a damn about producing quality cars. Enzo Ferrari is probably rolling in his grave at where Ferrari currently is as a brand & if he were alive, everyone would be fired because he did not tolerate failure at all.
At least Sainz is willing to tell his engineers to f off and get his strategy in place. Leclerc is almost passive when it comes to strategy, which is an issue of he ever wants to compete with Russell and Verstappen for titles in the long run (I did say Russell as who knows how many more years Hamilton is going to stay in F1).
I realize the Bubba Wallace’s frustration at Nashville last year was justified because Tyler Reddick was so pissed after what happened in his pit stop which costed him a potential win
I know Bubba was wrong to act the way he did to his pit crew at Nashville last year, but after hearing Reddick chew his pit crew out yesterday, there’s certainly a legitimate reason for why he did snap: these pit crews just suck.
Tbh it's not wrong to lead your guys. It should be on crew chiefs but racers still have every right to take charge if your team needs to get shit together. And I'm not saying this as a Bubba fan, I'm overall indifferent to the guy
@@andrewahern3730 lol you genuinely believe who makes the money and uses the equipment doesn't have the right to keep the guys who make them look bad in check? Probably cry about QBs doing the same thing too, huh bud?
@@andrewahern3730 idk how you think racing works, but the drivers use the equipment and tell them how they want it running. The drivers have to go out and deal with the bullshit for their teams underperforming
They have the speed it’s just constant mistakes with the pit crew that keeps holding them both back. How many times the 45 could’ve won or competed for the win if his crew didn’t let him down.
Just remember how good Tyler Reddick was at Nashville, until his crew messed up a pit stop, and didn't tighten the wheel, causing Reddick to spin out on pit road which resulted in a penalty and a terrible finish in that race...
It's crazy to see 23XI this season always on front, but all the speed and potentials keep getting flushed away by pit crew. Feel bad for TD and Bubba, they the one who always have to recover back-to-back almost every single races.
@@BeastRoverOfficial Absolutely. In fact, I’d say that they’re as important as the crew chief, as they’ve gotta execute the plan that the crew chief puts in place.
Going from JGR crews too 23XI exclusive crews a fall off should have been expected. Gibbs has had their program for over a decade, so starting one from the ground up isn’t a easy task but all apart of becoming a top tier Racing operation.
@@historybuff1483that’s what Denny said on Actions Detrimental. It takes about a year or two get guys/girls who never did pit crew stuff to become good
Hamlin also talked about issues with 23xi not having there own reserves at this time. When 1 person gets sick on a team they are borrowing a temp from JGR which happens to be someone JGR doesn't mind doing without and doesn't have practice time with the 23xi crew
23XI is a team that's good but seems to have gone through a lot more turbulence than other recent start-ups like Trackhouse, both of which are teams that I like and are appropriately comparable. I ran a bunch of numbers and both teams have the same amount of wins (excluding the SVG one-off thus far), though Chastain kind of carries with a ton of Top 10s and Top 5s compared to everyone else; average finish for Trackhouse is 16.84 and 23XI is 18.75 (17.92 if you exclude Gibbs' tenure), so roughly the same. Of course I feel like you can not always go by the finishing stats and one has to take into account the performance of a team or driver across an entire race, and I feel like... while Trackhouse is better at being consistent and staying out of trouble, 23XI comes across has having really good strong runs the end up getting squandered due to an on-track incident or a pit-road issue. They do indeed have the speed, but it seems like the teams just kind'a stumble over their own feet a lot; they have really solid highs, but a lot more lows than Trackhouse. Their inconsistency is presently their Achilles' heel. I think if 23XI can manage to do to their teams... whatever Justin Marks did with Chastain earlier this year, I think they will be better for it, but it's hard to say that it'll work.
Bubba has actually had a better season than Tyler if you take away the one win. But nobody wants to hear that. The pit crews are laughable. Neither Bubba or Tyler getting anywhere past the round of 12 with those pathetic pit stops.
Definitely a rebuild and as for the current pit crews for both they need either a kick in the rear end to step or fire em. Maybe scout some crews from other teams like free agents. The 23XI cars are fast they need to bring all together finish or win well.
23Xi Racing is like a cycle. Do good, struggle and bad luck, pit crews who mess up, do well at the end of the season, repeat. Don’t even get me started on the pit crew. They’re back in early 2022 again. 23Xi Racing have good drivers! But they need to get their stuff again. Like what the heck. Hopefully they do improve. Just bad luck as well.
I think on a more statistical basis, we've seen pit crews win and lose races. By that logic we've seen them win and lose Championships in years past. I'm sure many of us will think of moments that defined a driver's season in years past, especially with how critical 1 bad stop can change the fate of a driver in 3 race series and a 1 race shootout. If you don't have the driver, the crew chief, and the pit crew to make it happen on the track, Championships won't happen. 23XI has great potential in becoming a top team, but there's definitely things to clean up on pit road.
Denny Hamlin 2019 lost the championship race too much tape on the grille Chase Elliott 2020 his team saved a tire from rolling into another pit box at Martinsville allowing Elliott to advance from the Round of 8 to being the 2020 Championship... Just a few examples
@@americanwalmarts3565and even back during the Winston era, Bill Elliot lost the 1992 championship because crew chief Tim Brewer made a colossal mistake
Calling RFK "new" is disingenuous, at best. 23XI is in year three as a whole, but year ONE hiring their own pit crews. They spent the previous two seasons as numbers 5 and 6 on the pit crew priority list.
as Reddick would say...unacceptable. Bubba has lots of driving talent, and Reddick even a bit more. Too many mistakes will keep this team always hampered.
We all know that Wallace gets a lot of heat for things that have absolutely nothing to do with racing. That said, the whole racing world got to see what he's been dealing with all season when the 45 crew absolutely cost Tyler Reddick a win at Michigan. Denny's timeline to train up his own pit crews for 23XI happened to be the worst thing because the pit crews have cost these guys at least three wins this year alone.
They are building their own crew, so right now they will kill them, years from now they should have their stuff together. Not like there’s a free agency for pit crew lol every team starts somewhere Don’t look now but Bubba has been the most consistent, hence why he’s in the playoffs and say someone like Chase isn’t
Every team has issues on pit road throughout the year, but this team just seems to not have a clue on how to do anything. It's rare to see one team have so many faults. No matter who the drivers are it's really hard to race, let alone win, if you don't have the wheels on the car.
Get better pit crews! Maybe if they had better pit stops, Bubba would be able to not push the car so hard and maybe have better results. You have to have the whole package to win in this sport.
Seeing Bubba consistently in the top 5 til pit cycles is ridiculous. DNFs are awful and arguably on the driver as much as equipment when its JGR quality stuff, but when he is going he goes well til pits slow him down cause 4 tire stops are either rare or damn near 2× as long to complete as a competent team takes
@@tatsupazuzu the last two weeks are actually perfect examples. Look at that last pit cycle at Richmond, they knew there would be at most 9 laps ran with 3 green flag laps if all GWCs are used, were in 3rd and battling for 2nd before caution and still go two when they have a whole set left just so Bubba didn't lose position. It unsurprisingly bit em cause every other competitive car took 4. Finished 12th with the 5th most points earned on the day tho. Then this past weekend they were 5th and actually do take 4 and it dropped all the way back to 22nd with 68 to go then another caution with 22 left to give them another shot at a lackidasical pit stop. Finished 18th with the 7th most points earned on the day. Even tho I hate this new format that's still impressive by its standards and shows his pit crew has really hindered him in these back to back races alone
It’s obviously the pit crew issues since I saw and learned what happened to Reddick yesterday which is pretty sad, also Bubba gets mistakes even the pit crew ain’t helping. Best they better change it up or something because both are clearly get more wins. But the mistakes holding them back.
1. It's apples and oranges comparing Jordan's ownership of this team vs. an NBA team. NBA team success are dependent on keeping multiple superstars happy and paid well in addition to their supporting cast of players. They're always having to worry about trades, injuries, free agency, etc. In Nascar, it's about matching up one superstar and crew chief (the manager), and then getting your small team right. 2. Bubba's actually run really well this season, but bad pit stops and bad breaks on track have really cost him.
Isn't there a problem with Hamlin being part-owner, but driving for JGR? Brad is owner-driver at RFK. No split loyalties. Denny can't fully commit to two teams. I think Hamlin needs to be full-time at 23/11.
The biggest issue is the pit crew…by far. But I’ve also noticed that both cars tend to start off the race fast and fade towards the end. Somehow the other teams are able to make adjustments throughout the race to get better, while both 23XI cars get worse. Btw, Bubba has outran his teammate 25-15 in the last 40 races. He’s not the weak link.
Sure, but 15 of those 40 were with Ty Gibbs behind the wheel of the second 23XI car, and I'm 90% sure that Bubba went 15 for 15 in those races. Exclude them, and he's 10 for 25 against a non rookie teammate, maybe a bit better, but not much.
@@blueredlover1060 he was 11 for 14 in races where Ty was driving the other car, so he's 14 for 26 at finishing ahead of his teammate when it hasn't been Ty Gibbs
@@kingofrunescapepking unless I miscounted, Ty was in a 23XI car from Pocono through to Martinsville, which is 15 races. 6 in the 45 filling in for Kurt Busch before the playoffs, and 9 in the 23 during the playoffs, when Bubba was trying to win the owners' title in the 45. But, that's basically coin flip odds either way (13 of 25), which isn't a good look for your "lead" driver.
@@blueredlover1060 He has finished better than Reddick in 12 of the 23 races and has a better average finish. L. Tyler has 68 more points and is one spot ahead in the standings because he got more stage points. I win. You lose. Next.
I think you are being far too harsh on Bubba. He’s run much better this year and has been super clean racing at the front of the pack. The last 12 races I’d say he’s run as well or better than Reddick. He’s gotten far more on top of his emotions and has done a great job this year of not letting his emotions cost him on the track, even though there has been more than a few instances where he could have gotten really frustrated after being cost a lot of spots through no fault of his own. He’s done a fantastic job of understanding the assignment and keeping himself in good spots to pull in the points and keep himself above the cut off line. He’s still got a tendency to be really hard on himself, but he’s learned to use it as motivation more than a distraction. The cup series is in a place now where the whole field is closer than it’s been in a long time on pace, so a mistake on pit road is probably not going to be made up on track bc the difference between a great car and a good car is a far smaller margin than years past. I also think people forget how much of a push he made during the playoffs last year while running for the owners championship. He’s one of the cleanest guys on the track (barring the Larson incident) and rarely drives over aggressive in traffic. He doesn’t tear up equipment, he’s getting more consistent all the time and becoming a fixture at the front of the pack.
Its a breath of fresh air to read comments about 23/11 and wallace that are focused on actual issues rather than the crap that goes on twitter and facebook
They have shown the speed on the track. So I don't think they have glaring problem there. Top 10's should be expected. The Pit crews from JGR were going to be the 5th and 6th best of their pit crew pool and that's a no brainer. The best 4 crews are going to the house cars. This year they hired some of those guys and a few outside. But they have no depth. And Denny talked about that this week too. There has also been some terrible strategy calls made by both teams, but the 23 has had the worst end of it. Constantly running top ten top 5 then having to come back form 20-25th. And it always late in the race too where its extremely difficult to do.
I think 23xi is doing pretty well. They just have a few minor tweaks to make to really be a contender. If I'm 23xi, I'm letting Bubba keep his pit crew until he's locked in. He has no real shot at winning a championship. Then give his best guys to Reddick since he's the better driver. I've been called a "Bubba hater". He's definitely better this year. He tends to fade at the end of races but gets stage points. Reddick is usually running around top 5 and then an issue happens.
denny said when they first started they weren’t going full throttle they weren’t going to be as competitive as a team like trackhouse they are building a new race shop so once they’re in better facilities I expect them to contend right now though I think what they’ve done with what they have has been impressive the pit road errors has got to be fixed though
Being a TRD fan. It’s frustrating to watch Toyotas with so much speed, shoot them selves in the foot almost every race on Pit road. Notice how in the all star race , both 23Xi cars where in the top 3 , especially since they didn’t have many opportunities to ruin there day on pit road.
Nothing. Many teams would love to have the "quote" problems they are having. They have an incredible amount of speed and that's the hardest thing to get. The real question is what's going on with Team Penske? No speed and terrible execution on the days where they run decent
2 words: *P I T C R E W* There were so many tines that 23XI was a force to be reckoned with, but the pit crew is at so low a level constantly, causing so many failed attempts
I dunno why people are expecting a c. 2019 JGR type team, or 2007 Hendrick Racing Clone in 3 years... The fact the team has any wins at all says a lot as far as teams with legendary sports stars, and drivers as co-owners go. The "Elephant" is the root cause of at least a couple playoff opportunities. And considering Wallace's past with frustration... I think he's handling it a lot better this year.
That’s what they are doing stopped using JGR crew and started their own development program this year. So hopefully they will start too see improvement
Bubba not getting the props I think he deserves: take away pit road follies and getting caught in other ppl wrecks… or getting wrecked… he’s better than mid-pack. I was not a fan but his improvement last year and this year are winning me over. I think if they sort out his crew, he gets a couple wins next season.
The pit crews are a problem for sure, but the drivers make their share of mistakes too. The video is correct in that Tyler can occasionally overcome his or the teams mistakes. Bubba is pretty good, but not the kind of talent that can overcome obstacles. He really needs everything to go well. But, Denny is part owner and I just don’t think he can build the kind of culture to win championships. He’s not an overly likable or respectable guy.
Bubba and reddick can run top 10 in these cars they show the raw pace. But there teams screw them at every corner. Bubba Wallace has the second worst crew on pit road. He might aswell climb out and change his own tires. Bubba’s team on a weekly basis get behind on adjustments and he falls off. He was so good at Michigan and Richmond and fell off in stage 3
You can’t just ignore the elephant in the room the 23 has no talent and the 45 he’s there just his pit crew can’t do it overall 23XI should be a championship contender but when you have a driver with no talent and bat pit crews you can’t win
They need to stop talking about further expansion. They’ve fueling the jump to 3 cars in 2024-2025 They need a Top 10 points finish before they expand. They can’t just keep being a bubble team, especially when they are Toyota/JGR funded. Rebuild the pit crew and focus on getting consistent results. Don’t expand to 3 cars until at least one of your cars can regularly compete for wins or you get at least one Round of 8 car in the fight for the championship
I actually agree with you I was thinking about mj as an owner the other day and tbh he doesn't have a good track record as an owner or as the man in charge... LET'S not for get about him being an part owner and running the Washington wizards for 2 seasons remember they won the lottery and had the first pick of the nba draft and mj Selected Arguably the biggest bust in NBA history Kwame brown and after only 2 seasons they pulled the plug on mj then he brings nba back to Charlotte the bobcats/hornets and was a joke of any owner don't be surprised when thr hornets start winning now mj gone
I am a bit surprised this year. I was very high on Reddick and expected him to emerge as a Championship threat, kind of like Byron has. Disappointing to say the least, but I still have faith.
And in all fairness they have way more wins there first few years then Hendricks did in the same time line. So yes the team as whole left a lot on the table but first we need to compare this start of a new team to others before them not just a 10 minute video just filled with opinions not facts
23XI are where they are primarily because of their status as a JGR customer team. If JGR were to dip in performance, they also would dip because they aren't exactly the most innovative team on the engineering side of things.
What about Hamlin? In my point of view MJ would be the money guy and Hamlin the expertise, the i.q guy, like Brad K. And he doesn't seem committed enough, why he is not driving fir he's own team. Maybe MJ should be more evolve. But giving take a look into Manchester City football club, they we're brought by Abu Dhabi group of investment, with the chairman Khaldoon al Mubarak not having the expertise, what he does? Signed the best on the business, Barcelona former director Ferran Soriano and Barcelona former director of football Txiki Bergeistain. 23xi seems to have too good of intention, and no competitive organization can be build on good intentions. They need that Hamlin gets in, if he is not up to give up on he's driving ambitious on Joe Gibbs then they need another partner.
They will NEVER be anything as long as Wallace is the Primary driver. Ever. His fans aren’t gonna wanna hear that, I don’t care. Reddick and Kurt absolutely lap him in the talent department, the fact they all have 17th place finishes just shows how stupid it is that he is their #1. Wallace absolutely deserves to be in the series, and shouldn’t be on a backmarker team either. But he also shouldn’t be the primary driver,if you ever hope to truly compete. There is no reason Chastain would be getting trackhouse leftovers, cause he is the much MUCH better driver. If you switch drivers tomorrow, but don’t change a single other thing in 2311, Reddick makes the top 8 easy barring disaster, and Wallace is in 17th or 18th fighting these last 3 weeks to make it in.
The biggest issue is MJ He could have built his team around anyone an he chose Bubba Wallace as his franchise player. In the NBA everytime he drafted a franchise player he chose wrong. Great player bad owner
So many finger problems at 23XI while TrackHouse Racing continues to drag them through the mud Perhaps when Denny Hamlin retires, he can fully commit to making 23XI more well-equipped
I disagree. I think Reddick is every bit as good as Hamlin and that’s proven by having the same numbers as Kurt in that car, who was a better driver than Hamlin and won a championship.
What hurt 23XI's advancement was losing Kurt Busch and getting him taken out of the car and stopping him from developing that team to his max ability. I'm aware he's still involved with the team in an auxiliary capacity but it's not the same as him being in the car and pointing them in exactly the direction they need to go. They lost a lot when they lost Busch. Reddick is a great driver but he notoriously overdrives and it gets him into trouble more often than not, he would do so well with a veteran to come in as a teammate and reign him in. Reddick and Wallace are two young drivers still, it's tough to build on team on two guys that still have a lot to learn themselves. Same reason a team like Trackhouse has stalled out now too, the competition caught up to them and the veterans are back to dominating the series again. Hence the success of RFK this year directly as a result of Keselowski. Trackhouse is another team that could use a veteran presence. What will help 23XI next year is Legacy becoming another Toyota team, that's another teams resources they could use and Jones and JHN are no slouches behind the wheel, not to mention Johnson as an owner coming into the Toyota fold. I feel like Gibbs kinda helps the satellite Toyota teams but they also kinda have a history of not doing as much as they could either. Furniture Row's success was a lot on their own but they still didn't get enough Toyota support to keep them going, same with Leavine. 23XI and Legacy have enough support behind them that they could potentially usurp Gibbs as the top Toyota team, especially once Truex and Hamlin are gone. Going to be a very interesting ownership transition in Nascar in these coming years. All the flagship owners are getting old and passing the torch to these younger teams and younger ownership and teams like Gibbs and Penske don't exactly have a successor in line like Childress and Hendrick do. It's not totally out of the question that in 10 years we may not have a Penske or Gibbs team in Nascar anymore and that'll change the whole landscape of the ownership in Nascar.
The problem with 23xi is not with them……EVERY Toyota team he’s had the same issue……and the only common denominator is joe Gibbs racing….either they don’t give good information to their satellite teams or bad pit crews…..as I said that is the problem if you ask me
Do you think 23XI Racing will be able to improve?
If they can train their pit crews yeah
If bubba Wallace can improve at road courses and fix their pit road issues they could definitely improve
Yeah!
They should be because they have the best drivers they can pick
@@sparksedits11bubbas far from being the problem
I felt bad for Reddick after Michigan. I don't think I've heard him that pissed off after a mistake on Pit Road
He’s usually so calm and collected, cite Bristol Dirt 2022, wrecked for his first win and was just perfectly fine with it. He was not happy at all, but that’s how it’s been all season.
100%
Pit crews mishaps is the most frustrating and I've never seen Reddick that furious
They tried 2 rocket league it and used super speed sorry idk if that's a thing on ro ketchup
I think that 23XI might do better if both teams, as well as Hamlin (their owner/fellow competitor), simply take the time to work on pit road issues, and start working more to build on consistent performance, and overall team confidence. The more they struggle, especially Wallace, the more their confidence and morale will drop. They just need to work on turning their weaknesses into strengths, and they’ll get better.
The thing is that I think they know what they’re doing, they just end up having dumb luck because if Tyler's team didn’t screw up he would’ve won.
There is a difference between dumb luck & screwing up.
@@GrandpaSharkor screw on in this case...
And if not a win... No less than a top 5! Instead of finishing 30th!!!
But, seriously you can't compare Kurt Busch's talent with either of the 2 current drivers! Before he was prematurely retired... He had a real chance of winning the Championship last year!
all 23XI needs is a competent pit crew and they’d have so many more wins
Is it a coincidence that 23XI is having almost the same pit road issues that their owner, Denny Hamlin, has on a yearly basis?
Idk bout that kid
💯 they have been fast at a lot of the races this year especially the 45.
More like a new rear tire changer. Dude has cost Reddick a lot this year
I wouldn argue that they'd have only a few more wins than they currently would. Reddick would definitely light up the charts, but Bubba seems like he's someone who's gonna consistently fill that 10th-15th spot and probably average a win a season.
23XI is NASCAR's Ferrari in terms of how inconsistent that team is during races. Think of the countless times Tyler Reddick and Bubba Wallace have lost potential wins and top 10s because of pit crew errors and poor execution, just like the countless times Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz have lost wins and podiums due to poor strategy.
As a Ferrari fan, you are 100% right about that. I really think Ferrari as a whole (not just the F1 team) is very poorly run almost as if Fiat doesn't give a damn about producing quality cars. Enzo Ferrari is probably rolling in his grave at where Ferrari currently is as a brand & if he were alive, everyone would be fired because he did not tolerate failure at all.
They are Ferrari without any of the storied history.
At least Sainz is willing to tell his engineers to f off and get his strategy in place. Leclerc is almost passive when it comes to strategy, which is an issue of he ever wants to compete with Russell and Verstappen for titles in the long run (I did say Russell as who knows how many more years Hamilton is going to stay in F1).
I realize the Bubba Wallace’s frustration at Nashville last year was justified because Tyler Reddick was so pissed after what happened in his pit stop which costed him a potential win
I know Bubba was wrong to act the way he did to his pit crew at Nashville last year, but after hearing Reddick chew his pit crew out yesterday, there’s certainly a legitimate reason for why he did snap: these pit crews just suck.
Tbh it's not wrong to lead your guys. It should be on crew chiefs but racers still have every right to take charge if your team needs to get shit together. And I'm not saying this as a Bubba fan, I'm overall indifferent to the guy
@@ShrexyGuy no, the driver doesn’t have that right. They are employees, not managers.
@@andrewahern3730 lol you genuinely believe who makes the money and uses the equipment doesn't have the right to keep the guys who make them look bad in check? Probably cry about QBs doing the same thing too, huh bud?
@@ShrexyGuy I don’t know how you think racing works, but it’s a business. The drivers are the stars on TV, not in the garage.
@@andrewahern3730 idk how you think racing works, but the drivers use the equipment and tell them how they want it running. The drivers have to go out and deal with the bullshit for their teams underperforming
Fun fact: Michigan had both RFK, 23XI, and Trackhouse cars lead at least one lap
It’s kinda nice to have 3 growing teams that are Ford, Chevy and Toyota.
Easy to do when you do not pit when everyone else does.
They have the speed it’s just constant mistakes with the pit crew that keeps holding them both back. How many times the 45 could’ve won or competed for the win if his crew didn’t let him down.
Just remember how good Tyler Reddick was at Nashville, until his crew messed up a pit stop, and didn't tighten the wheel, causing Reddick to spin out on pit road which resulted in a penalty and a terrible finish in that race...
It's crazy to see 23XI this season always on front, but all the speed and potentials keep getting flushed away by pit crew. Feel bad for TD and Bubba, they the one who always have to recover back-to-back almost every single races.
23XI is good but they have hit a noticeable wall that they need to fix. They’re missing something that has to be found from within.
are the pit crews considered within?
@@BeastRoverOfficial Absolutely. In fact, I’d say that they’re as important as the crew chief, as they’ve gotta execute the plan that the crew chief puts in place.
Denny on the latest podcast talking about pit crews a lot. 23XI used to get the crews from JGR meaning that they’d always have the 5th and 6th best
Going from JGR crews too 23XI exclusive crews a fall off should have been expected. Gibbs has had their program for over a decade, so starting one from the ground up isn’t a easy task but all apart of becoming a top tier Racing operation.
Thats a good point. Maybe they are a year or two off.
@@historybuff1483that’s what Denny said on Actions Detrimental. It takes about a year or two get guys/girls who never did pit crew stuff to become good
Hamlin also talked about issues with 23xi not having there own reserves at this time. When 1 person gets sick on a team they are borrowing a temp from JGR which happens to be someone JGR doesn't mind doing without and doesn't have practice time with the 23xi crew
They either have fast cars and pit crew problems, or they have cars that are falling off and pit crew problems.
Don't forget the other times where they have pit crew problems.
23XI is a team that's good but seems to have gone through a lot more turbulence than other recent start-ups like Trackhouse, both of which are teams that I like and are appropriately comparable.
I ran a bunch of numbers and both teams have the same amount of wins (excluding the SVG one-off thus far), though Chastain kind of carries with a ton of Top 10s and Top 5s compared to everyone else; average finish for Trackhouse is 16.84 and 23XI is 18.75 (17.92 if you exclude Gibbs' tenure), so roughly the same. Of course I feel like you can not always go by the finishing stats and one has to take into account the performance of a team or driver across an entire race, and I feel like... while Trackhouse is better at being consistent and staying out of trouble, 23XI comes across has having really good strong runs the end up getting squandered due to an on-track incident or a pit-road issue. They do indeed have the speed, but it seems like the teams just kind'a stumble over their own feet a lot; they have really solid highs, but a lot more lows than Trackhouse. Their inconsistency is presently their Achilles' heel. I think if 23XI can manage to do to their teams... whatever Justin Marks did with Chastain earlier this year, I think they will be better for it, but it's hard to say that it'll work.
Their pit crews have constantly dropped the ball this year. Both pit crews need a major overhaul.
Bubba has actually had a better season than Tyler if you take away the one win. But nobody wants to hear that. The pit crews are laughable. Neither Bubba or Tyler getting anywhere past the round of 12 with those pathetic pit stops.
Definitely a rebuild and as for the current pit crews for both they need either a kick in the rear end to step or fire em. Maybe scout some crews from other teams like free agents. The 23XI cars are fast they need to bring all together finish or win well.
I felt devastated for Reddick yesterday
As a day one 23XI fan I really do think we are nearly there you just need to look at some easily correctable mistakes by both Bubba and Tyler
For example Bubba making late and unnecessary blocks paired with Tyler’s lack of speed at certain tracks here and there
23xi pit crews make as many mistakes as the number in the team’s name
They are NASCAR’s Ferrari
Fast cars
But have horrible management and badly timed pit stops
What's 23XI's next master🅱️lan?
@@norandomstuff S🅱️inlla
“Did you get the wheels tight?”
“We are checking.”
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23Xi Racing is like a cycle.
Do good, struggle and bad luck, pit crews who mess up, do well at the end of the season, repeat.
Don’t even get me started on the pit crew. They’re back in early 2022 again.
23Xi Racing have good drivers! But they need to get their stuff again. Like what the heck. Hopefully they do improve. Just bad luck as well.
I think on a more statistical basis, we've seen pit crews win and lose races. By that logic we've seen them win and lose Championships in years past. I'm sure many of us will think of moments that defined a driver's season in years past, especially with how critical 1 bad stop can change the fate of a driver in 3 race series and a 1 race shootout. If you don't have the driver, the crew chief, and the pit crew to make it happen on the track, Championships won't happen. 23XI has great potential in becoming a top team, but there's definitely things to clean up on pit road.
Denny Hamlin 2019 lost the championship race too much tape on the grille
Chase Elliott 2020 his team saved a tire from rolling into another pit box at Martinsville allowing Elliott to advance from the Round of 8 to being the 2020 Championship... Just a few examples
@@americanwalmarts3565and even back during the Winston era, Bill Elliot lost the 1992 championship because crew chief Tim Brewer made a colossal mistake
Calling RFK "new" is disingenuous, at best. 23XI is in year three as a whole, but year ONE hiring their own pit crews. They spent the previous two seasons as numbers 5 and 6 on the pit crew priority list.
as Reddick would say...unacceptable. Bubba has lots of driving talent, and Reddick even a bit more. Too many mistakes will keep this team always hampered.
They need to bring in different pit crew members
We all know that Wallace gets a lot of heat for things that have absolutely nothing to do with racing. That said, the whole racing world got to see what he's been dealing with all season when the 45 crew absolutely cost Tyler Reddick a win at Michigan.
Denny's timeline to train up his own pit crews for 23XI happened to be the worst thing because the pit crews have cost these guys at least three wins this year alone.
23XI will be fine. They just really need to work on their pit crews.
They are building their own crew, so right now they will kill them, years from now they should have their stuff together. Not like there’s a free agency for pit crew lol every team starts somewhere
Don’t look now but Bubba has been the most consistent, hence why he’s in the playoffs and say someone like Chase isn’t
The pit crew issues have cost them dearly and need work. Denny even mentioned it in this week's Actions Detrimental podcast.
You mean "Actions Hypocritical"?
Every team has issues on pit road throughout the year, but this team just seems to not have a clue on how to do anything. It's rare to see one team have so many faults. No matter who the drivers are it's really hard to race, let alone win, if you don't have the wheels on the car.
I totally agree. Reddick should be winning 3-5 races/year.
Get better pit crews! Maybe if they had better pit stops, Bubba would be able to not push the car so hard and maybe have better results. You have to have the whole package to win in this sport.
Seeing Bubba consistently in the top 5 til pit cycles is ridiculous. DNFs are awful and arguably on the driver as much as equipment when its JGR quality stuff, but when he is going he goes well til pits slow him down cause 4 tire stops are either rare or damn near 2× as long to complete as a competent team takes
When has that happened
@@tatsupazuzu the last two weeks are actually perfect examples. Look at that last pit cycle at Richmond, they knew there would be at most 9 laps ran with 3 green flag laps if all GWCs are used, were in 3rd and battling for 2nd before caution and still go two when they have a whole set left just so Bubba didn't lose position. It unsurprisingly bit em cause every other competitive car took 4. Finished 12th with the 5th most points earned on the day tho. Then this past weekend they were 5th and actually do take 4 and it dropped all the way back to 22nd with 68 to go then another caution with 22 left to give them another shot at a lackidasical pit stop. Finished 18th with the 7th most points earned on the day. Even tho I hate this new format that's still impressive by its standards and shows his pit crew has really hindered him in these back to back races alone
I think bubba and tyler are more than good enough to compete for championships, they just need to put it all together
They really need Kurt to come back.
It’s obviously the pit crew issues since I saw and learned what happened to Reddick yesterday which is pretty sad, also Bubba gets mistakes even the pit crew ain’t helping.
Best they better change it up or something because both are clearly get more wins. But the mistakes holding them back.
23XI had 2 great drivers. They need 2 great pit crews to accompany them.
There is just so many top tier drivers. Chase Elliott hasn't even won a race.
1. It's apples and oranges comparing Jordan's ownership of this team vs. an NBA team. NBA team success are dependent on keeping multiple superstars happy and paid well in addition to their supporting cast of players. They're always having to worry about trades, injuries, free agency, etc. In Nascar, it's about matching up one superstar and crew chief (the manager), and then getting your small team right.
2. Bubba's actually run really well this season, but bad pit stops and bad breaks on track have really cost him.
Isn't there a problem with Hamlin being part-owner, but driving for JGR? Brad is owner-driver at RFK. No split loyalties. Denny can't fully commit to two teams. I think Hamlin needs to be full-time at 23/11.
He's doing what Dale Sr. did before he died. Being a team owner but not driving for his own team.
that rocket league scheme looked pretty cool. sucks the pit crew cost him
The biggest issue is the pit crew…by far. But I’ve also noticed that both cars tend to start off the race fast and fade towards the end. Somehow the other teams are able to make adjustments throughout the race to get better, while both 23XI cars get worse. Btw, Bubba has outran his teammate 25-15 in the last 40 races. He’s not the weak link.
They are close. Reddick is 13th in points, 68 pts ahead of Wallace in 14th.
Sure, but 15 of those 40 were with Ty Gibbs behind the wheel of the second 23XI car, and I'm 90% sure that Bubba went 15 for 15 in those races. Exclude them, and he's 10 for 25 against a non rookie teammate, maybe a bit better, but not much.
@@blueredlover1060 he was 11 for 14 in races where Ty was driving the other car, so he's 14 for 26 at finishing ahead of his teammate when it hasn't been Ty Gibbs
@@kingofrunescapepking unless I miscounted, Ty was in a 23XI car from Pocono through to Martinsville, which is 15 races. 6 in the 45 filling in for Kurt Busch before the playoffs, and 9 in the 23 during the playoffs, when Bubba was trying to win the owners' title in the 45. But, that's basically coin flip odds either way (13 of 25), which isn't a good look for your "lead" driver.
@@blueredlover1060 He has finished better than Reddick in 12 of the 23 races and has a better average finish. L. Tyler has 68 more points and is one spot ahead in the standings because he got more stage points. I win. You lose. Next.
I know Bubba is good at Michigan, that was sad what I went to Sunday and Monday I had no clue what their strategy was .
They have 2 playoff drivers in their 3rd year of existence. Where is bad?
They are driving jgr chassis
I think you are being far too harsh on Bubba. He’s run much better this year and has been super clean racing at the front of the pack. The last 12 races I’d say he’s run as well or better than Reddick. He’s gotten far more on top of his emotions and has done a great job this year of not letting his emotions cost him on the track, even though there has been more than a few instances where he could have gotten really frustrated after being cost a lot of spots through no fault of his own. He’s done a fantastic job of understanding the assignment and keeping himself in good spots to pull in the points and keep himself above the cut off line. He’s still got a tendency to be really hard on himself, but he’s learned to use it as motivation more than a distraction. The cup series is in a place now where the whole field is closer than it’s been in a long time on pace, so a mistake on pit road is probably not going to be made up on track bc the difference between a great car and a good car is a far smaller margin than years past. I also think people forget how much of a push he made during the playoffs last year while running for the owners championship. He’s one of the cleanest guys on the track (barring the Larson incident) and rarely drives over aggressive in traffic. He doesn’t tear up equipment, he’s getting more consistent all the time and becoming a fixture at the front of the pack.
One big issue is that Denny doesn’t even drive for his own team, similar to how Brad K does.
I mean Trackhouse really hasn't been any better than 23XI as a whole
Exactly like the have the same amount of wins in three season (for the full-time drivers) like am I missing something?
Its a breath of fresh air to read comments about 23/11 and wallace that are focused on actual issues rather than the crap that goes on twitter and facebook
Both cars are currently in the playoff hunt -- what are you looking for? 6 race win streaks?
They have shown the speed on the track. So I don't think they have glaring problem there. Top 10's should be expected. The Pit crews from JGR were going to be the 5th and 6th best of their pit crew pool and that's a no brainer. The best 4 crews are going to the house cars. This year they hired some of those guys and a few outside. But they have no depth. And Denny talked about that this week too. There has also been some terrible strategy calls made by both teams, but the 23 has had the worst end of it. Constantly running top ten top 5 then having to come back form 20-25th. And it always late in the race too where its extremely difficult to do.
I think 23xi is doing pretty well. They just have a few minor tweaks to make to really be a contender.
If I'm 23xi, I'm letting Bubba keep his pit crew until he's locked in. He has no real shot at winning a championship. Then give his best guys to Reddick since he's the better driver.
I've been called a "Bubba hater". He's definitely better this year. He tends to fade at the end of races but gets stage points. Reddick is usually running around top 5 and then an issue happens.
denny said when they first started they weren’t going full throttle they weren’t going to be as competitive as a team like trackhouse they are building a new race shop so once they’re in better facilities I expect them to contend right now though I think what they’ve done with what they have has been impressive the pit road errors has got to be fixed though
I’m surprised Brad Keselowski hasn’t won a race yet this year.
Reddick has had speed all year, just bad luck and bad pit stops honestly.
Being a TRD fan. It’s frustrating to watch Toyotas with so much speed, shoot them selves in the foot almost every race on Pit road. Notice how in the all star race , both 23Xi cars where in the top 3 , especially since they didn’t have many opportunities to ruin there day on pit road.
Nothing. Many teams would love to have the "quote" problems they are having. They have an incredible amount of speed and that's the hardest thing to get. The real question is what's going on with Team Penske? No speed and terrible execution on the days where they run decent
this team is nascar's version of ferrari tbh
Michael Jordan doesn’t even come to watch his own cars race only time he comes is when it’s right in his backyard like at Charlotte
2 words: *P I T C R E W*
There were so many tines that 23XI was a force to be reckoned with, but the pit crew is at so low a level constantly, causing so many failed attempts
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Tyler Reddick make the round of 8
Only if the pit crew doesn't choke again.
I doubt it.
After yesterday, it's still possible that Reddick could get to the round of 8
Maybe hiring a DEI agent as your driver isn’t a good idea??? But probably not because of racisms and stuff..
I dunno why people are expecting a c. 2019 JGR type team, or 2007 Hendrick Racing Clone in 3 years... The fact the team has any wins at all says a lot as far as teams with legendary sports stars, and drivers as co-owners go.
The "Elephant" is the root cause of at least a couple playoff opportunities. And considering Wallace's past with frustration... I think he's handling it a lot better this year.
23XI seriously needs to invest in better pit crews because they could be so much better
That’s what they are doing stopped using JGR crew and started their own development program this year. So hopefully they will start too see improvement
23XI is on the cusp, but do need some changes in the pits, be it complete change of crew again or changing the training routine
Bubba not getting the props I think he deserves: take away pit road follies and getting caught in other ppl wrecks… or getting wrecked… he’s better than mid-pack. I was not a fan but his improvement last year and this year are winning me over. I think if they sort out his crew, he gets a couple wins next season.
Bubba is a 15 place driver period get rid of him problem solved
The pit crews are a problem for sure, but the drivers make their share of mistakes too. The video is correct in that Tyler can occasionally overcome his or the teams mistakes. Bubba is pretty good, but not the kind of talent that can overcome obstacles. He really needs everything to go well. But, Denny is part owner and I just don’t think he can build the kind of culture to win championships. He’s not an overly likable or respectable guy.
WOKECAR has become just that and deserves an inglorious demise.
Not surprised by the pit errors considering it takes time to build and train a good pit crew.
I’ll answer that for you in 2 words. Pit Crew
Personally haven't seen a star is born in Bubba. He's better at controversy
Lethargy Motor Club says, “Hold my beer “.
Bubba and reddick can run top 10 in these cars they show the raw pace. But there teams screw them at every corner. Bubba Wallace has the second worst crew on pit road. He might aswell climb out and change his own tires. Bubba’s team on a weekly basis get behind on adjustments and he falls off. He was so good at Michigan and Richmond and fell off in stage 3
You can’t just ignore the elephant in the room the 23 has no talent and the 45 he’s there just his pit crew can’t do it overall 23XI should be a championship contender but when you have a driver with no talent and bat pit crews you can’t win
Bubba Wallace is doing about as well as he will ever do. He's a mid pack, average driver.
denny probably not a great guy to work for
They need to stop talking about further expansion.
They’ve fueling the jump to 3 cars in 2024-2025
They need a Top 10 points finish before they expand. They can’t just keep being a bubble team, especially when they are Toyota/JGR funded. Rebuild the pit crew and focus on getting consistent results. Don’t expand to 3 cars until at least one of your cars can regularly compete for wins or you get at least one Round of 8 car in the fight for the championship
The cars are good. Just need to clean it up on pit road. Reddick and Wallace are consistently in the top 10 during the race.
I actually agree with you I was thinking about mj as an owner the other day and tbh he doesn't have a good track record as an owner or as the man in charge... LET'S not for get about him being an part owner and running the Washington wizards for 2 seasons remember they won the lottery and had the first pick of the nba draft and mj Selected Arguably the biggest bust in NBA history Kwame brown and after only 2 seasons they pulled the plug on mj then he brings nba back to Charlotte the bobcats/hornets and was a joke of any owner don't be surprised when thr hornets start winning now mj gone
I am a bit surprised this year. I was very high on Reddick and expected him to emerge as a Championship threat, kind of like Byron has. Disappointing to say the least, but I still have faith.
I hear ya
And in all fairness they have way more wins there first few years then Hendricks did in the same time line. So yes the team as whole left a lot on the table but first we need to compare this start of a new team to others before them not just a 10 minute video just filled with opinions not facts
I feel like while invested right now Denny will be more invested and be able to take the time to get things right when he retires
23XI are where they are primarily because of their status as a JGR customer team. If JGR were to dip in performance, they also would dip because they aren't exactly the most innovative team on the engineering side of things.
That debacle by the 45 pit crew was just stupid! They needed 2 full cans of fuel, so there was no need to even rush changing tires.
What about Hamlin? In my point of view MJ would be the money guy and Hamlin the expertise, the i.q guy, like Brad K. And he doesn't seem committed enough, why he is not driving fir he's own team. Maybe MJ should be more evolve.
But giving take a look into Manchester City football club, they we're brought by Abu Dhabi group of investment, with the chairman Khaldoon al Mubarak not having the expertise, what he does? Signed the best on the business, Barcelona former director Ferran Soriano and Barcelona former director of football Txiki Bergeistain.
23xi seems to have too good of intention, and no competitive organization can be build on good intentions. They need that Hamlin gets in, if he is not up to give up on he's driving ambitious on Joe Gibbs then they need another partner.
23XI just have had some bad luck, and that's about it.
Not luck. Execution.
@@GrandpaSharkhonestly I’d say both
I think that new shitty McDonalds scheme is the real cause
They will NEVER be anything as long as Wallace is the Primary driver. Ever. His fans aren’t gonna wanna hear that, I don’t care. Reddick and Kurt absolutely lap him in the talent department, the fact they all have 17th place finishes just shows how stupid it is that he is their #1. Wallace absolutely deserves to be in the series, and shouldn’t be on a backmarker team either. But he also shouldn’t be the primary driver,if you ever hope to truly compete. There is no reason Chastain would be getting trackhouse leftovers, cause he is the much MUCH better driver. If you switch drivers tomorrow, but don’t change a single other thing in 2311, Reddick makes the top 8 easy barring disaster, and Wallace is in 17th or 18th fighting these last 3 weeks to make it in.
45 and 23 were looking good, but lately kinda lame
The biggest issue is MJ He could have built his team around anyone an he chose Bubba Wallace as his franchise player. In the NBA everytime he drafted a franchise player he chose wrong. Great player bad owner
So many finger problems at 23XI while TrackHouse Racing continues to drag them through the mud
Perhaps when Denny Hamlin retires, he can fully commit to making 23XI more well-equipped
I bet they would be a lot better if Denny actually drove for the team, like Brad does for his.
I disagree. I think Reddick is every bit as good as Hamlin and that’s proven by having the same numbers as Kurt in that car, who was a better driver than Hamlin and won a championship.
What hurt 23XI's advancement was losing Kurt Busch and getting him taken out of the car and stopping him from developing that team to his max ability. I'm aware he's still involved with the team in an auxiliary capacity but it's not the same as him being in the car and pointing them in exactly the direction they need to go. They lost a lot when they lost Busch.
Reddick is a great driver but he notoriously overdrives and it gets him into trouble more often than not, he would do so well with a veteran to come in as a teammate and reign him in. Reddick and Wallace are two young drivers still, it's tough to build on team on two guys that still have a lot to learn themselves. Same reason a team like Trackhouse has stalled out now too, the competition caught up to them and the veterans are back to dominating the series again. Hence the success of RFK this year directly as a result of Keselowski. Trackhouse is another team that could use a veteran presence.
What will help 23XI next year is Legacy becoming another Toyota team, that's another teams resources they could use and Jones and JHN are no slouches behind the wheel, not to mention Johnson as an owner coming into the Toyota fold. I feel like Gibbs kinda helps the satellite Toyota teams but they also kinda have a history of not doing as much as they could either. Furniture Row's success was a lot on their own but they still didn't get enough Toyota support to keep them going, same with Leavine. 23XI and Legacy have enough support behind them that they could potentially usurp Gibbs as the top Toyota team, especially once Truex and Hamlin are gone.
Going to be a very interesting ownership transition in Nascar in these coming years. All the flagship owners are getting old and passing the torch to these younger teams and younger ownership and teams like Gibbs and Penske don't exactly have a successor in line like Childress and Hendrick do. It's not totally out of the question that in 10 years we may not have a Penske or Gibbs team in Nascar anymore and that'll change the whole landscape of the ownership in Nascar.
The problem with 23xi is not with them……EVERY Toyota team he’s had the same issue……and the only common denominator is joe Gibbs racing….either they don’t give good information to their satellite teams or bad pit crews…..as I said that is the problem if you ask me
As Trackhouse expands, 23XI is still a soap opera
JGR preferentialism, end of video
Get ride of Wallace