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In a team composed of Navia Noelle is Furina Noelle can be a good support for Navia without losing much of the damage is healing a lot (I get your point)
bro, what did you feed your noelle? like i'm serious, as a not childe haver i need noelle to complete this enemies challenges, i couldn't even hit 4 k in the first one
@@HiMyNameIsAkmal its because w itto they were already at 50% hp so to get more buff she decided to turn the healing furina, but w navia they were at decent hp so they used the hp draining furina for the buff
He used healing mode because everyone started at half hp and waited for the c4 shield to explode for bigger burst dmg, furina dmg mode would probably take more time to ramp up the dmg and require the shield to not explode.
The fact that Noelle can still compete (though not the best) against newer 5-star geo characters is a testament to how free-to-play friendly she is. I've been playing for almost 3 years now and Noelle has never left my main team since day 1. Now that I also have Navia, I just run both of them in the Abyss in separate teams (first half Noelle, 2nd Navia or the other way around) and clear everything with brute force and elegance. All hail my geo queens! 💛👑
Naw she ain't. Now, I'd say yes cause of Furina but for the longest time she ain't. I've been maining her since early 2021 and here are the reasons why she's a high investment character: >Reqs c6 to be actually good >Massive energy problems, against single targets when not running fav gs >Redhorn and SS are miles better than WB for main dos noelle >She's a bad overworld option >The only way to play Noelle b4 furina is through geo teams >Before husk, both bolide and glad set was underwhelming >Lots of other dps units will have a better performance with the same investment After furina, I'd honestly say she's better than c0 Itto for certain teams especially her hydro team. But before all that, she requires a ton of investment to be good.
@@lucklei4665 What aspect you are talking about? Being the best at something? She already is at C1, being the tankiest character in the entire game. Personal damage without any buff, C0 vs C6? I wonder about that. Team damage? She can slot in some broken, low investment team like Burgeon or Hyper Bloom at C1. Want to compare them with Itto's?
So basically, Navia for bursting bosses that have short vulnerability durations (the snake bosses and such). Noelle for sweeping as well as survivability. Itto for mob sweep and bosses and stuff
@@munchiemunchie5226 noelle has a giant aoe and 25s duration on her burst, on top of that she can swap out and in without losing her infusion meaning you can put navia in her team and have two dps in the same team
@@radouanemegherbi3499 or you can put literally any other sub DPS that will both do more damage and Proc Navia's ascension talent for extra attack. Or in fact just get another support
Not only do you need her C6 but also that broken weapon of hers (Redhorn Stonethresher) And sadly you can only get it from banners and who knows when there will ever be a rerun of it. This is my love and hate relationship with Gacha games
Blue bird (the music) is so nice. Also Noelle isn't completely about her damage. So the fact she does marginally similar damage to Itto is why i love her. If Noelle came out today things would be so different
@@LuizHenrique9406 His base attack is 302, he is a Main DPS Pyro in Plunging attacks , the plunging attack of his elemental skill at level 13 is 487% with a short CD, Scaling one of the two Man Chai dragons from his ultimate (which not only heals you but also resets the CD of his elemental) is 787%, you can roll two if you have more than 50% life It is worth clarifying that logically the damage of the Man Chai of his ultimate will not be benefited by buffs from Plunging attacks but it is still very high. His C6 gives you 80% Crit value, 20% Crit Rate and 40% critic damage. Adding that he damage and heals himself, he synergy with Furina in vaporized forms will be perfect. His passive talent increases the damage of his descendants, Xianyun is a Furina Buffer of Plunging attacks with her passive talent and her buff is doubled at C2, adding the buff of her weapon if you are capricious The only thing I'm not aware of is if she can do double swirl (Pyro and Hydro) to be able to lower double elemental resistance with the anemo set. Already his escalate are much greater than Diluc plunging attacks, his damage will be immense. Just look up Diluc Dragon Strike's performance and you'll get an idea. The best thing for me is his beautiful Gameplay, how good its his performance is speculative but it promises too much.
I run Noelle and Navia on the same team. Plus furina, but my furina is both not super well built and a good battery (all I have had time to build well). She has been a very good battery+support to be fair.
I thought of doing the same, navia is just for burst dmg and noelle for dps till navia has no cooldowns again, or is navias auto attack also better than noelle?
@@paraly8957 Navia is imo just better for combat. Unless you have Noelle’s burst up but not Navia’s, because then you can use Noelle to get more crystals (you want as many crystals as you can, ho to 3 per shot, before firing with Navia if possible. But her cooldown is fast enough not to worry about it too much). But you could certainly use Noelle most of the time, she is a bit tougher so you could prefer her if the enemy hits too hard.
@@choco5629 venti or kazuha for CC makes up for it if enemies can get vacuumed like the abyss lectors. Also navia can take advantage of aoe units like bennett xiangling combo. Or even put beidou in her team and do double electro and still do fine. There’s so much way on how you deal with mobbing.
@lsnexus2080 If you bring kazuha to the equation then OF COURSE its gonna get easier, but that would not be efficient for having a navia hyper carry team. If you add kazuha she is just gonna be there for extra damage. Althoug venti has better crowd control than kazuha its onyl for those smaller enemies seen in the 9 and 10 abyss stages. Navia isnt a bad character, but people overrate her because of her nukes. When people say she is ahead of other geo dpss, which is literally only itto it confuses me because she really isnt THAT crazy, she is just very fun
@@sock3981 She is the tankiest. The only character that have both shielding and healing which scale with DEF, which multiply their value even more. On top of being a claymore character that able to stagger most enemies. And it does mean quite abit when you are facing hard content, while being tired, suffer from high ping. Her main role is a tanker/healer/buffer, if your team does not deal enough damage then it's the fault of the other slots.
The fact that Noelle even competes when her kit wasn't even made for a DPS says somethings, I have been maining her since I started the game and I currently run her along with Furina and Navia (Noelle's Passives are not offensive and her only offensive constellations are C5 and C6, unless you consider C2 which is very niche, so her kit isn't offensive and not meant for a DPS, her "signature" weapon from the banners is favonious)
In HSR terms: Itto is like an erudition character like Argenti JingYuan Himeko etc, Navia is like a hunt character like Seele Yaqning Dr ratio etc and Noelle is a 4 star counterpart of Itto like Herta and Himeko
I'm a Geo player. And indeed, Navia can get explosive damage depending on the rotation. But her damage is not DPS (Damage Per Second), the bullets she gets and the crystals in a fight will help her make a stronger second shot, but it depends on what the team is like. The team they use here for her is one to flex damage, since the only sub dps player she has is Furina, it is a team with double buffer... in the abyss that does not work (don't bring up the issue that anyone passes the Abyss, we talk about synergy in the team and that is definitely not it). In 4 seconds Navia did 900k damage with two supports, yes, excellent (2 huge amounts, each took 2 seconds of damage)...but then she has 6 seconds of downtime per CD of her Elemental Skill, and due to the CD of Bennet's Ulti, that third shot will not do 400k damage, at most it will do about 300k, this is because Bennet's Ultimate ends. Ittou in 5 seconds did approximately 870k of damage (not much compared to Navia), but his Ultimate is not over yet and you can continue doing charges of 118k or more with him for 6 more seconds, and like Goro's Ultimate it extends by being C6, lasts the same time as ittou's ulti. In summary. Ittou is still the best Geo DPS currently. While Navia is the best in elemental damage. Noelle is an alternative for players who prefer it.
you are forgetting something pal. navia's downtime has Navia's NA damage + off-field damage. in this case Furina. you add them up and compute as total. Itto has no one in his team except him who does damage. replay the video and you will see Navia hitting 30-50k damage with her NA's and around 20k crits on ULT. Furina is doing 8k - 31k depending on which summon hits the enemy. there's so much damage going on with Navia so if Itto is doing 110k+ hits, you need to compute how much damage the entire team did. - this is what makes Itto weaker than Navia in overall regardless of enemies Mobbing or Single target. do note that Navia can use Xiangling Bennett too. or can even use Hyperbloom since she's so versatile. and in cases where you need to fight elemental shields, Itto gets fucked up while Navia can use anyone. in this abyss rotation, there's 2 pyro lectors. let it be cryo, electro or hydro, Navia can deal with them easily since you can slot 2hydro, 2electro, 2pyro, or even 2cryo in her team and clear any abyss rotation. while Itto will want 3 Geo in his team which means harder to counter abyss rotations with elemental shields. in real scenario you will want navia more than itto due to these cases. the only time Itto would be able to compete is when Abyss rotations becomes neutral with zero elemental shields. but that only happens very rarely as abyss floors lately has tons of them. Navia can clear every enemies itto does, but same cannot be said to itto. the clear times would be so much different. also when support buffers end, that goes the same to Itto. his burst ends and the team will need to rotate for another round of buffs. - Navia team will have to rotate as well. now the more your account has invested units, Navia will skyrocket her team damage than Itto. what if you do Navia Raiden(C2) Bennett Furina? it works well too since Navia wouldn't need to rely on second Geo since Raiden can make her burst 100% uptime giving crystalize shards and Raiden has infinite skill uptime to create crystalize? Navia can do subdps since that Raiden will slap hard. and her infusion window is just 7s. going back to navia that will be unlimited rotation of burst damage. and if Furina has her c1/c2 then the more Navia team will get stronger. team becomes better due to how her mechanics work. Itto doesn't have this kind of flexibility. his peak of damage is already there. do note that if the player has max talent furina, it means Navia won't have her max talent as well. also, most players does not have her best in slot artifacts(with really great substats) which has 18% atk and 50% geo damage set which makes her entire kit stronger and not only her "skill". we are missing more damage multipliers and yet she already performs like this.
@@lsnexus2080 But you are also forgetting something, in Arataki Ittou's team there is one of the best sub dps on the field, Albedo. A well-built albedo can deal damage from 30k to 70k damage per Isotone explosion, which Arataki Ittou can do easily with his charges, as can Navia, except that her basic ones are slow in comparison. And the teams you describe with Raiden are pure Copium, even more so with the attempts to put any element that doesn't buff her to increase her elemental damage, you just want to justify her game now because you can make teams with other elements and you pair her with anyone without think of nothing. Basically, you make her lose damage and create a team with Raiden C2 claiming that Navia will excel on said team, but all you will do is nuck with a Raide, bruh. The worst of all is that you lose geo consonance by making a tremendous copy of: Navia, Furina, Benett and Raiden C2. It's stupid. All that's not counting the time it takes him to find or reload his bullets, and it's probably 1 shotgun blast every 3 seconds...that shit isn't DPS damage at all. In 3 seconds ittou already made 3 consecutive charged attacks. If you want to take advantage of her elemental damage, instead of Raiden is to team up with Furina and Benett, with the hope that Chiori will be the ideal geo support for her in the future.
@@onisupremacy8446 still no. Do a speed clear and you will see itto is not better xD you are the one coping xD shall we try speed clear then and not waste time? We have the abyss for both first and second part. Anything you say is BS because there is zero proof you have here. We can simply use them for both part. You say copium but the team is still faster than itto xD hahaha say that if you can clear faster with the same investment.
@@lsnexus2080 No, the one who is talking nonsense without proving anything here is you. I have the Geo characters from the game, I know what I'm saying...you don't even take into account the reloads of Navia's bullets, I bet you think she reloads them quickly with the Ulti and you don't see that there is a time between reloading by enemy hit. Ittou does damage faster than Navia does 2 full bullet shots. You can go and try as many times as you want, you can't change that. The chances of you reloading 6 bullets in 0.5 seconds after the first shot is 1 in 1 million. Impossible for anyone, for that reason Navia is not DPS. And yes, that team with Raiden C2 is tremendous copium, do you know why? Because it's not a Navia team...it's just a team for Raiden, that's why it's done "fast", and much more than Ittou, I don't dispute that...but putting Navia in that team is tremendous copium, no brings up nothing, it will just ruin the rotation for a Raiden C2. I don't think even you know what you're saying, and something tells me that you haven't tried Navia to the fullest. No one in their right mind believes it can be DPS, much less believe that you can load all the bullets after one shot. At most it makes 2 shots, with a time period of 2 seconds to ensure damage, then you must wait 6 seconds for the elemental ability to restart. Ittou Best DPS Geo Navia Best Skill Damage Geo
@@onisupremacy8446 thats just how flexible navia teams are. Poor midto can’t compete. You can do any comps like double electro, double pyro, double hydro, or just one of every element and work just great countering abyss. Still itto losses in every abyss rotations xD and with elemental shields, itto would lose even more xD hahahaha whatever you say has zero credibility. If you can’t prove it then your nothing but a pure copium trash hoping itto to be better. Do a speed clear and we’ll talk. everyone who tested both clearly experienced Navia is clearing faster xD also navia being Geo works with multiple element. that alone is a huge advantage and could maximize how other reactions do. navia only needs her burst to ensure you have stacks xD
Noelle is your best friend from the start of the game and carries your ass to endgame without pulling a single character. Enough said. Trying to compare the new shiny thing vs something you have from the start in a completely different power scale based on what they are designed to do is very unfair as a comparison to Noelle. If anything, Noelle is the best of the 3 because of her multi purpose design and build variety you can do with her. Power is not even relevant to Noelle's design.
@@lucklei4665 it isn't as easy, but yes, she does. you can do 30~40k with a c0 noelle nowadays, which is plenty for abyss if you put some turrets with her (well furina is a turret so there, solved). that's without a redhorn, just an r5 whiteblind. abyss ain't much of a benchmark anymore tbh. Plus, she doesn't need to carry, her best party at c0 is as a driver, not a carry. Works on national, hyperbloom, monohydro and a few others.
I think navias rivals arent itto/noelle since the parties are a lot different Maybe lyney or childe will be better comparison since they all use national team core
Being able to sustain (heal and shield) and still catching up to current meta is a big thing for noelle she's literally a starter character. Imagine bulbasaur competing against ho-oh or charizard amd still keeping up.
C6 Furina. She is a buffer, subdps, offield hydro applicator, healer, frontloaded dps, tanker too because of high HP and most of all she doesn't suffer from energy issues. The only role she cannot fill is shielder and crowd controller and if the cryo archon become all of those roles at C6 then she would be the ultimate character but until then it is Furina for now 😅😅😅
u cant compare characters who are not even on the same race track just because they are all geo theres no point and the result doesnt really prove anything, they have their different place of use
Noelle is the most flexible as well as fully swlf sustaining. Navia does most upfront dmg. Itto best preforms in aoe situation. Navia requires Furina and Bennet, itto needs c6 gouru and Noelle wants pocket nuclear plant. That is all 3 are good pick the pretiest one and actually invest into correct builds and none will disappoint
Noelle is not flexible, she's literally just a dps and just a main dps at that. No one uses her for heals or shields aside from Furina teams which is worse than Navia teams. Noelle and Itto are simply worse than Navia
I have to say that I prefer Navia only because she does most of her damage with her ability but also she has zero trouble recharging her ult. Noelle would be so much better if only she didn't had such terrible energy recharge problems but if you go for a recharge sands and weapon then she won't do any damage
Navia is also has ER issue wdym. If you don't use her burst, you lost shard generation = DPS loss. Also, I've always been using fav Gorou+4pc exile and Albedo/Fav Kachina/Fav Zhongli, and they're enough to battery Noelle with 110% ER. Tbh, most of the time, my Redhorn Noelle are much comfier to use than my WGS Navia. Maxing Navia dmg and collecting shards coupled with circle impact from Bennett are more annoying than just funneling particle to Noelle, not to mention about fish-critting especially if you don't use 4pc MH+Furina on Navia. But still not gonna deny that Navia is much better for speedrunning
Noelle and Navia work really well together, alongside Furina, I'm running all three in my second account, and despite Navia being barely built (I don't have books because of Mr Neuvilette) and WGS, she's hitting 100k+ when fully charged. If I wasn't already dead-set on Yoimiya in the main account, I definitely would've pulled for Navia there as well, since I have much better resources for her in the main account than in the second account, I have Unforged, which works much better than WGS for Navia, and enough mats as well, alongside a much better Noelle and Furina
It's fun using them together. My noelle's party doesn't allow navia to do her best damage, but still, the moment noelle's 4th hit lands, swap navia in, hit 250k, then swap back to noelle and do it again. it's very fun to do and quite strong. using navia like this is actually better than albedo and yunjin for noelle, believe it or not. that is, if your navia can pull this type of damage without bennet. otherwise maybe not, albedo is too easy and comf to build and use.
I've been playing Genshin since day 1, and I have been unlucky enough where I haven't gotten my C6 Noelle, till today, I am so glad my favorite maid knight is so comparable to current 5Stars like Navia, a true GOAT
It helps her to use the artifact "song of days of past" Which boosts dmg bonus of on field character like itto, Noelle by a lot It's sad we can't use that for navia since she needs crystal shards formed from crystallize reaction which can only be done with hydro aura provided by furina.
@@DYSPROGENSHIN oh damn i never though of trying that. although i hardly think it's going to give more damage than the massive amount of personal damage furina has 🤔 still good for damage per screenshot showcases.
@@GenshinYuppe IK it's not going to help much but I prefer to showcase character value over team value. since team can easily manipulate the dmg of any DPS. like with a perfect team even dehya can clear any challenge. and yes, don't worry about furina dmg in navia showcase it didn't help her since she already did one shotable dmg.
I think it's wrong to compare these 3 characters, noel use normal atk, itto use power atk, navia use burst from elemental skill, It's like berserk itto, mage navia, and tanky warrior with stable dmg noel
Noelle being a free char and can easily be done C6 from a shop its far better than many 4 star dps plus she can heal and sheild, the only requirement is redhorn i cant even imagine this kind of dmg from some 5stars like diluc ,kequing,dehya😂
If you like her yh you can c6 her she’ll be nice to have but she’s not that much valuable compared to other sub-dps/dps for an account like xiangling, xingqiu, fischl etc…
@@Ms-dk8mf Well that's true, those are a must. Like honestly the only must characters are the support ones. Meanwhile main dps(Like Noelle) are kinda not that important, because the main dps without the right units are bad. On the other hand you can make a effective comp with only sub dps/support characters.
> Redhorn > requirement Naaaah man. Noelle has Whiteblind as a strong budget option. What she "needs" is a battery because they hate early game healers (see Barbara and Qiqi).
Merry Christmas! I'm wanting to get Navia instead of Raiden, because I only have 2 hydro for the team, Xinqqiu in National and Barbara improvised in HyperBloom. Getting raiden would improve the national, but it would leave the hyperbloom team weak even if it got nahida. I'm thinking about forgetting Raiden, getting Navia and releasing National's xinqqiu to put him with Nahida, note: my kuki is already built at lvl 90. Bennet and Xiangling could easily do a team melt or with Navia. I don't know... Should I skip the raiden? Taking her just for being an archon would only strengthen one team, while the Navia would release very strong hydro for Nahida's team. At least while I wait for yelan or furina to return.
Do you already have Nahida? She's coming next soon (after Raiden). And I would say Nahida > Raiden or Navia at the moment. The current Abyss will be Geo favoured, but only "this time"... After that, electro > geo still, reaction wise. Raiden can be played in national, Hypercarry, Agrevate (Hypercarry to free Bennett) OR even easy Hyperbloom. For my opinion a C2/3 Raiden sooooome day in the future is much more a "goal" than a C0 Navia. 🤔 Even when I really LIKE Navia's look. But Raiden looks fine too, so anyways. Navia is good, no doubt, first flexible Geo char... But still, Geo is "at the moment" the worst element and electeo is better. But since you have a build Kuki you can play Hyperbloom well, that's why I asked for Nahida. ☝🏻 You don't need a Raiden for that though. But Raiden Natuonal / Agrevate or Hypercarry with C6 Sara and C2 Raiden would be a crazy good "future goal".
@@homezonebenny HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! I don't have nahida, I'm waiting for her banner to arrive. It would improve the strength of my account, while Raiden, in the short term, would leave me stagnant compared to Navia and Nahida. I only have Xingqiu on my account, making me choose whether to use National or Hyperbloom. I chose to give priority to the Hyperbloom team, as Nahida is on the way and my Kuki is very strong. So out of necessity, I can't go after Raiden.
@@Lu_kas4768 That's the same I would suggest. Try to collect primos until Nahida, get her! She's the best Dendro you can have and Hyperbloom is strong with your XQ and Kuki. If you have a Sucrose she could buff even more EM to the Team. Or a 2nd Dendro for Dendro Resonance. Even if it's Yaoyao, or a Dendro Shield Character would work too, so your on-field 800EM Nahida gets less interruptions and Dendro Res Buff for 2x Dendro. Maybe: Nahida (Main DPS), XQ (Sub-DPS + Bloom), Kuki (1.000 EM Hyperbloom enabler), Kirara as Shielder + 2nd Dendro. I need to check if Kirara C6 works for Hyperbloom dmg as well. 🤔🤷🏻♂️ Yaoyao C1 DMG buff helps, but 2x healers aren't the best. But since you probably don't have Alhaitam as 2nd Dendro or Yelan as 2nd Hydro... The Sucrose EM Buff, Dendro MC Buffs, Kirara comfort Shields, or Yaoyao extra heal / dendro application / C1 extra dmg could be an option. Or you have: Ayato, Nahida, XQ, Kuki Ayato main DPS, Nahida 1.000em now Instead of 800em because not on-field anymore. XQ extra hydro sub dps, Kuki as heal and Hyperblooms. Alternative to XQ would be Sucrose to buff EM and shred hydro / electro res to buff Kukis Hyperbloom and Ayato's hydro DMG. So XQ would be free for a National Team.
lol why would you even suggest that? both are pretty cracked. noelle's build might be the weaker one here. My noelle definitely does more damage per hit than my itto at their best. their dps is similar because itto hits faster.
@@GenshinYuppe Obviously I suggest providing info about their artifacts/weapons/constellations so that this comparison would start making any sense. Most of the Genshin showcases/character reviews on RUclips have sections where you can see their build used in the video, and this is missing here.
@@andrewjamez9741 which is wrong. itto has a CR ascension, noelle has a def% ascension. when i give itto my noelle's stuff, i have to change his hat to CD otherwise he ends up with like 120 CR
I really want a C6 Noelle, But she never comes in any banner Even in the beginners banner I managed to get only 1 😭. Seems like she doesn't approve me as her master.
Its not that I skipped, I just started playing when venti with wriothessly banners were ongoing😅 and it's like 4 to 5 months after nahidas banner. Before that I didn't know what even Genshin was😅
Noelle is one of the 12 4* characters who appear regularly in the Paimon's Bargains (the in-game shop from the Menu). She is always present on February and August and you can buy her for 34 Masterless Starglitter (which you gain by pulling a duplicate of a 4* or 5* you already possess). So you can eventually C6 her even if you're unlucky, it will only take time.
Xiao will receive a support next patch. (Xianyun) Cloud Retainer = Anemo healer/ Plunge damage support buff Itto might get a buff too. (Chiori) I think Chiori will be a Geo healer with Charged attack damage support buff since there are no characters yet that buff charged attacks. This is the best hope for Itto if Hoyo wants him to be viable against Navia😂
I think its likely those character will be support for neuvi not itto so its likely those character will not be geo but hydro. I mean the current character that can buff charge attack(layla with constelation) synergized well with neuvi. And who the heck itto so hoyo would look at him? from liyue? no... Important character that regularly appear? not really.. So i doubt hoyo will buff him.. Beside, he already fun to play now. If hoyo want to revive geo, they would make crystalize easier to do because now, navia the only one can use it.. We dont even have navia cheap 4 star copycat
Some leaks said that chiori would use the cristalyse reaction to buff the team depending on the element of the shard, not sure if it will work for itto tho ...
Just for its elemental damage, in dps damage ittou is still better. It's all about CD, both Navia's elemental skill and the supports Ultimate that come with it. The time she spends her 2 skills, getting crystallized to maximize damage, and the supports buffs cause her damage not to be per second. Especially the crystallized ones, hopefully after the first shot you can get 3 crystals + 3 bullets for Navia's Ultimate, then you have 5 seconds of downtime while you repeat the same process of collecting crystals. Ittou is still the best dps.
The fact that Noellu wear pantyhose make me want to build her properly, but unfortunately i dont know how to reach dmg like that, as far as i know only Benny that can buff damage high enough
I find it funny how any time theres any Noelle content, even if it not the main focus of a video, the comment section replies are just people telling Noelle enjoyers that she’s bad and list reasons why they shouldn’t consider her good, best part usually they just read some incorrect guide saying she has this or that issue while realistically she doesn’t, or bring up investment requirements, as if most people don’t over invest into the meta characters too, sometimes with c6 r5 five stars with the absolute best teams possible for them, and yeah, I’m more than down to over invest into a character I like, whats wrong with that?
Noelle personally isn't good but the fact thay she can heal and shield and can easily activate furina buff makes it more open for a sub dps or support in the team not requiring a healer
Exactly, problems with hyper carries is that you have to sacrifice some dmg stats in order to build more er, same with itto Navia doesn't have that problem!!
@fengsanlian Navia doesn't have energy issues but she has her damage output drastically kneecapped without a full team of supports constanty generating reactions. Energy is easy to overcome.
Do you know an artifact set known as "song of days of past" Which provides your party dmg bonus based on the amount of heal???? Of course you don't know... Furina is using that artifact set while in itto and Noelle run...... And don't be so...... To ask why I didn't use that artifact set for navia run as well?? Because navia case is not same she needs crystallized shards to gain dmg bonus so at least one character applying elemental aura is needed else I could have used that artifact set for her as well And whatever it's not like navia already overkilled the boss by dealing 580k where only 200k dmg was required 😂 so the dmg dealt by furina is just negligible So at least learn how to make sense👌
@@DYSPROGENSHINit's understandable that you were using Furina's attack mode with Navia for the shards. But didn't know that the new healing set on Furina will make Noelle's team dps larger than if you were using Golden Troupe and attack mode on her on the same team, quite impressive of the new set..
I've never seen Ei take this much damage... However, my Noelle isn't lagging far behind Navia either and she outperformed the Oni as a trial character!
If you’re using a C6 Noelle, then you should have used her Charged Attack instead of her Normal Attack. Noelle’s C2 increases her CA by 15%, and decreases its stamina drain by 50%. It’s not a big difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Obviously Navi’s would take less, her kit is for big burst damage. Meanwhile Itto and Noelle is consistent damage. There is no reason or seanse to compare this 3 units.
Why would you even use zhong li with noelle? Either replace him with yunjin or at least use CA which has higher MV (but sadly cannot be buffed by yunjin)
Itto can sustain his damage for longer and is a bit better for waves of enemies in AOE. Navia wipes the floor with him in floors with a handful of tanky enemies or bosses though.
You are literally not adding up the damage. Ittou did 5 charges of 655k + 219k of Ushi's damage, it would be 874k total damage in 5 seconds. Navia did 900k in 4 seconds, but she no longer has bullets to make another shot, on a Boss like Raiden there is no problem, but if enemies spam then you lose time. On the other hand, after Ittou's combo he still has 6 seconds to play with his Ultimate. That's why Ittou is still better DPS.
@@onisupremacy8446 you are forgetting something pal. navia's downtime has Navia's NA damage + off-field damage. in this case Furina. you add them up and compute as total. Itto has no one in his team except him who does damage. replay the video and you will see Navia hitting 30-50k damage with her NA's and around 20k crits on ULT. Furina is doing 8k - 31k depending on which summon hits the enemy. there's so much damage going on with Navia so if Itto is doing 110k+ hits, you need to compute how much damage the entire team did. - this is what makes Itto weaker than Navia in overall regardless of enemies Mobbing or Single target. do note that Navia can use Xiangling Bennett too. or can even use Hyperbloom since she's so versatile. and in cases where you need to fight elemental shields, Itto gets fucked up while Navia can use anyone. in this abyss rotation, there's 2 pyro lectors. let it be cryo, electro or hydro, Navia can deal with them easily since you can slot 2hydro, 2electro, 2pyro, or even 2cryo in her team and clear any abyss rotation. while Itto will want 3 Geo in his team which means harder to counter abyss rotations with elemental shields. in real scenario you will want navia more than itto due to these cases. the only time Itto would be able to compete is when Abyss rotations becomes neutral with zero elemental shields. but that only happens very rarely as abyss floors lately has tons of them. Navia can clear every enemies itto does, but same cannot be said to itto. the clear times would be so much different. also when support buffers end, that goes the same to Itto. his burst ends and the team will need to rotate for another round of buffs. - Navia team will have to rotate as well. now the more your account has invested units, Navia will skyrocket her team damage than Itto. what if you do Navia Raiden(C2) Bennett Furina? it works well too since Navia wouldn't need to rely on second Geo since Raiden can make her burst 100% uptime giving crystalize shards and Raiden has infinite skill uptime to create crystalize? Navia can do subdps since that Raiden will slap hard. and her infusion window is just 7s. going back to navia that will be unlimited rotation of burst damage. and if Furina has her c1/c2 then the more Navia team will get stronger. team becomes better due to how her mechanics work. Itto doesn't have this kind of flexibility. his peak of damage is already there. do note that if the player has max talent furina, it means Navia won't have her max talent as well. also, most players does not have her best in slot artifacts(with really great substats) which has 18% atk and 50% geo damage set which makes her entire kit stronger and not only her "skill". we are missing more damage multipliers and yet she already performs like this.
@@onisupremacy8446 Itto will lose to Navia in any time clears. so no Itto is not a better DPS because of the entire team. Navia has a better team which will output more DPS than Itto. you did compute every Itto's team damage but not Navia's entire team damage. go to abyss and see how Navia will beat itto itto in 5sec 874k as you have computed, now in this video Navia's team did = 586k + 482k on skill = 1,038,000. even your math is wrong. now add her NA's Off-field damage and ult damage: Furina in this video: 9.9k + 21k + 31k + 5k + 9k + 12k = 87.9k Navia's NA: 30k + 52k = 82k Navia's Ult: 41k (Initial hit) + 8k(noncrit) + 9k (noncrit) + 21k (crit) + 21k (crit) = 100k so in total= navia did not do 900k only but the team did = 1,307,900 - way higher than how itto did in your computation. and again, Navia in this video probably isn't even using her Best set which is the new set for Geo 18% atk + 50% geo damage.
@@lsnexus2080 I already answered you above, and that is not damage per second for Navia, literally the probability of loading 6 bullets after firing the first shot is incredibly low, and Navia's basic ones are absurdly slow compared to Ittou's charged ones that increase the speed the more charge it is. And I repeat the above, you are not counting Albedo's elemental damage in a basic Ittou team. Better DPS = Ittou (this is damage per second) Best Elemental Damage = Navia.
players with lvl 20 noelle be like :- "noelle fans are very annoying abt her lmao" meanwhile I have literally every 5 stars in game with million dmg potential but I still use noelle for abyss. if I have to choose one dps to do abyss I will choose Noelle over Navia......
@DYSPROGENSHIN Noelle doesn't have 100% uptime on any part of her kit and using her as a main dps is worthless when others are better for the dps role while just having a shielder or healer that's dedicated for the roles. Especially when Noelle shield only lasts 10 seconds at best because it runs out by the 15 second mark. Navia just shreads everything, has 100% uptime with low ER% investment, can use benny, zhongli c2 is her best friend ever and yae just makes crystalize after crystalize. Easy 100k with barely any good 4/4 gt +0 piece with +20 'meh' geo piece. And that's a pure 5 star team with 1 benny who's considered a 5 star... there's teams where she can use other units for a cheaper cost and still dish out more. Add in furina for osuia and its GG. Noelle? Too much is needed to make her good in the long run. The effort is just not worth it. No one realistically will choose Noelle over Navia unless you are a die hard, dedicated fan of noelle.
we can't say exactly just because they all fighting a boss, to my knowledge Itto and Noelle is quite better in AOE situation specially if Mobs are scattered, mostly Noelle. Meanwhile itto is typically good at both. Navia is different story.
Just for its elemental damage, in dps damage ittou is still better. It's all about CD, both Navia's elemental skill and the supports Ultimate that come with it. The time she spends her 2 skills, getting crystallized to maximize damage, and the supports buffs cause her damage not to be per second. Especially the crystallized ones, hopefully after the first shot you can get 3 crystals + 3 bullets for Navia's Ultimate, then you have 5 seconds of downtime while you repeat the same process of collecting crystals. Ittou is still the best dps.
But something to note here Furina is C2 which gave advantage to other characters but Noelle cause she can very easily obtain fanfare stacks unlike the other two characters So pair that with her availability and how f2p friendly she is She's the one👌🏿
Note that this isn't even Noelle's best team (IMO). You could swap either Gorou or Zhongli to Yelan and get even more damage amp on Noelle and more HP to support the double hydro comp. Noelle is just way more versatile than Itto tbh, and probably just as good of a Geo DPS as Navia's, though Navia is more of a quickswap like Ningguang then main DPS.
yunjin is a massive bonus over zhongli for noelle dps. mine hits harder than this even outside of raiden's vulnerability phase. but this isn't a bad team either. noelle's damage is just more spread out, and this showcase favors navia's frontloaded damage. only one enemy, only one wave, and it does well within her first rotation. plus this navia is pretty cracked.
Navia is simply abysmal compared to other GEO DPS (in terms of cost and damage mainly), I don't know how there are people who believe that Noelle or Itto are as good as her. It's worth remembering that basically any 4-star character can beat any Boss with a good team like these, the 5-star ones are simply cheaper (normally they don't require C1 or more, although it is more recommended in some), they have greater damage, and they are almost always much more stolen.
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In a team composed of Navia Noelle is Furina Noelle can be a good support for Navia without losing much of the damage is healing a lot (I get your point)
Noelle is horrific she isn’t near Navia
@@SoroionoWooow it’s not like she’s a free 4 stars and Navia a limited 5 stars… You just have skill issues
bro, what did you feed your noelle? like i'm serious, as a not childe haver i need noelle to complete this enemies challenges, i couldn't even hit 4 k in the first one
@@Soroionoyeah cause shes supposed to be a sheilder and healer for new player that's why she has a begginer banner you dumb bitch
Only 3 second difference between itto and navia. Good to see oni king still keeping up with newer characters
It's kinda unfair because he used different version of furina her damage is not joke to be honest and make some difference
Itto was 60% slower.
@@HiMyNameIsAkmal its because w itto they were already at 50% hp so to get more buff she decided to turn the healing furina, but w navia they were at decent hp so they used the hp draining furina for the buff
@@HiMyNameIsAkmal you are right. Furthermore the attack mode gives extra damage boost from the elemental burst
I stilll believe I am superior
I think the Noelle run could’ve been faster because Furina was in her healing mode while in the Navia run Furina was in her attacking mode.
by like 1-1.5 second, rewatch the navia run, furina summon doesn't really deal that much damage to raiden its 98.9999% Navia damage
He used healing mode because everyone started at half hp and waited for the c4 shield to explode for bigger burst dmg, furina dmg mode would probably take more time to ramp up the dmg and require the shield to not explode.
probably used furina attacks to generate cristallize shards
Its not just her personal dmg, the fanfarre accumulation would increase
@@bewilderedflash not true, furina summons are really significant, in fact Noelle's new best team includes furina.
The fact that Noelle can still compete (though not the best) against newer 5-star geo characters is a testament to how free-to-play friendly she is. I've been playing for almost 3 years now and Noelle has never left my main team since day 1. Now that I also have Navia, I just run both of them in the Abyss in separate teams (first half Noelle, 2nd Navia or the other way around) and clear everything with brute force and elegance. All hail my geo queens! 💛👑
I am waiting for her C6 she's C4 currently
Naw she ain't. Now, I'd say yes cause of Furina but for the longest time she ain't. I've been maining her since early 2021 and here are the reasons why she's a high investment character:
>Reqs c6 to be actually good
>Massive energy problems, against single targets when not running fav gs
>Redhorn and SS are miles better than WB for main dos noelle
>She's a bad overworld option
>The only way to play Noelle b4 furina is through geo teams
>Before husk, both bolide and glad set was underwhelming
>Lots of other dps units will have a better performance with the same investment
After furina, I'd honestly say she's better than c0 Itto for certain teams especially her hydro team. But before all that, she requires a ton of investment to be good.
Noelle is my first slot char and she carried me far too long. She is the best.
"compete" is putting her too highly, she still needs a shit ton of investment compared to other 5* to be even compete with them
@@lucklei4665 What aspect you are talking about?
Being the best at something? She already is at C1, being the tankiest character in the entire game.
Personal damage without any buff, C0 vs C6? I wonder about that.
Team damage? She can slot in some broken, low investment team like Burgeon or Hyper Bloom at C1. Want to compare them with Itto's?
Navia and Noelle can be use together with Furina.
Though I can't say the same with Itto.
Gotta wait for a geo proper healer to help Furina being usable with Itto.
What's chiori again?
Itto is Gud with her
If you go broke
@@nero9175that new character in the event
@@nero9175 no idea yet. There's no info
So basically, Navia for bursting bosses that have short vulnerability durations (the snake bosses and such). Noelle for sweeping as well as survivability. Itto for mob sweep and bosses and stuff
Yeah but itto teams are basically invincible and deal so much damage that the only benefit to Noelle is that she is f2p
@@munchiemunchie5226 noelle has a giant aoe and 25s duration on her burst, on top of that she can swap out and in without losing her infusion meaning you can put navia in her team and have two dps in the same team
@@radouanemegherbi3499 or you can put literally any other sub DPS that will both do more damage and Proc Navia's ascension talent for extra attack. Or in fact just get another support
@@munchiemunchie5226 Noelle cleared less than 4 secs slower than Itto however she also provided a shield and full team healing those are benefits.
@@mikyalthomas1295 completely irrelavent benefits for a Geo Team.
cute noelle can heal ,shield and even deal very high dmg and she is FREEE
wait she's free?
@@flakeycheez Yes but only her c0 is guaranteed. You still need c6 to make her good
Not only do you need her C6 but also that broken weapon of hers (Redhorn Stonethresher)
And sadly you can only get it from banners and who knows when there will ever be a rerun of it.
This is my love and hate relationship with Gacha games
But still Zhongli is the best Geo character and this is a fact
@@genshinlore7222 The only need is c6 other than that her performance is still really good even with whiteblind
Blue bird (the music) is so nice.
Also Noelle isn't completely about her damage. So the fact she does marginally similar damage to Itto is why i love her. If Noelle came out today things would be so different
You should use furina hp drain with Noelle for max stacks
they made noelle indirectly broken for a 4 star. then again, almost all 1.0 4 stars broken af
@@cydzerlight1383With the release of future characters, I consider that the best 4* carries for an account are Noelle, Kuki, Xiangling, and Ga-Ming.
@@emilianogamboa2557 wait theres alredy a kit leak for gaming?!
@@emilianogamboa2557 Ga-Ming? I'm not keeping up with leaks,so is he already that strong?
@@LuizHenrique9406 His base attack is 302, he is a Main DPS Pyro in Plunging attacks , the plunging attack of his elemental skill at level 13 is 487% with a short CD, Scaling one of the two Man Chai dragons from his ultimate (which not only heals you but also resets the CD of his elemental) is 787%, you can roll two if you have more than 50% life It is worth clarifying that logically the damage of the Man Chai of his ultimate will not be benefited by buffs from Plunging attacks but it is still very high.
His C6 gives you 80% Crit value, 20% Crit Rate and 40% critic damage.
Adding that he damage and heals himself, he synergy with Furina in vaporized forms will be perfect.
His passive talent increases the damage of his descendants, Xianyun is a Furina Buffer of Plunging attacks with her passive talent and her buff is doubled at C2, adding the buff of her weapon if you are capricious The only thing I'm not aware of is if she can do double swirl (Pyro and Hydro) to be able to lower double elemental resistance with the anemo set.
Already his escalate are much greater than Diluc plunging attacks, his damage will be immense.
Just look up Diluc Dragon Strike's performance and you'll get an idea.
The best thing for me is his beautiful Gameplay, how good its his performance is speculative but it promises too much.
I run Noelle and Navia on the same team. Plus furina, but my furina is both not super well built and a good battery (all I have had time to build well). She has been a very good battery+support to be fair.
Yeah I just slap some random 2+2 artifact with the best substats I could find on my Navia. Yeah not bothered to farm new artifacts.
I thought of doing the same, navia is just for burst dmg and noelle for dps till navia has no cooldowns again, or is navias auto attack also better than noelle?
@@paraly8957 Navia is imo just better for combat. Unless you have Noelle’s burst up but not Navia’s, because then you can use Noelle to get more crystals (you want as many crystals as you can, ho to 3 per shot, before firing with Navia if possible. But her cooldown is fast enough not to worry about it too much).
But you could certainly use Noelle most of the time, she is a bit tougher so you could prefer her if the enemy hits too hard.
Why Navia use Bennet and Furina ousia but Noelle don't use Yunjin and furina Ousia?
Bennetʼs buff gives attack% and Noell damages with deff if she is C6
@@uzdemon1122why not yun jin tho?
@@KorinIta bennet gives 100% attack equal 2 artifacts yunjin is more good at giving atk speed
@@KorinIta that's why tho strongost dps is atk user from all elements exept hydro cause neuvilette is good without buff
Queen Navia sweeps, in term of speedruning she just ahead of geo DPSes
unless its aoe😢
Navia has more explosive damage while Itto has more continuous damage
@@choco5629 she's not that bad in term of aoe. If enemis line up you can hit all of them with one E
@@choco5629 venti or kazuha for CC makes up for it if enemies can get vacuumed like the abyss lectors. Also navia can take advantage of aoe units like bennett xiangling combo. Or even put beidou in her team and do double electro and still do fine. There’s so much way on how you deal with mobbing.
@lsnexus2080 If you bring kazuha to the equation then OF COURSE its gonna get easier, but that would not be efficient for having a navia hyper carry team. If you add kazuha she is just gonna be there for extra damage. Althoug venti has better crowd control than kazuha its onyl for those smaller enemies seen in the 9 and 10 abyss stages. Navia isnt a bad character, but people overrate her because of her nukes. When people say she is ahead of other geo dpss, which is literally only itto it confuses me because she really isnt THAT crazy, she is just very fun
AH MY GEO BABIES 😭😭😭😭❤❤❤❤✨✨
I pretty much spoiled all of them (as I should). Wouldn't call myself a geo main if I didn't.
keep in mind that noelle is a 4 star dps, healer and a shielder all in one. truly one of the best 4 star unit if all time
At c6 yes, anything below that and shes useless
@@sock3981 Nah. She remain the tankiest unit in the game.
@@ancy1205 doesnt mean much if she doesnt do any damage and i doubt shes tankiest
@@sock3981 She is the tankiest. The only character that have both shielding and healing which scale with DEF, which multiply their value even more. On top of being a claymore character that able to stagger most enemies.
And it does mean quite abit when you are facing hard content, while being tired, suffer from high ping. Her main role is a tanker/healer/buffer, if your team does not deal enough damage then it's the fault of the other slots.
@@ancy1205 you are clueless man i doubt you even play the game
The fact that Noelle even competes when her kit wasn't even made for a DPS says somethings, I have been maining her since I started the game and I currently run her along with Furina and Navia (Noelle's Passives are not offensive and her only offensive constellations are C5 and C6, unless you consider C2 which is very niche, so her kit isn't offensive and not meant for a DPS, her "signature" weapon from the banners is favonious)
In HSR terms: Itto is like an erudition character like Argenti JingYuan Himeko etc, Navia is like a hunt character like Seele Yaqning Dr ratio etc and Noelle is a 4 star counterpart of Itto like Herta and Himeko
In short itto is dogshit
Bro called Himeko 4 star and thought we wouldn't notice.
Not argenti he is good
@@srishtisharma3908 so hes midyuan
@@srishtisharma3908Himeko and Jing Yuan are good too though thanks to Topaz.
I'm a Geo player.
And indeed, Navia can get explosive damage depending on the rotation.
But her damage is not DPS (Damage Per Second), the bullets she gets and the crystals in a fight will help her make a stronger second shot, but it depends on what the team is like. The team they use here for her is one to flex damage, since the only sub dps player she has is Furina, it is a team with double buffer... in the abyss that does not work (don't bring up the issue that anyone passes the Abyss, we talk about synergy in the team and that is definitely not it).
In 4 seconds Navia did 900k damage with two supports, yes, excellent (2 huge amounts, each took 2 seconds of damage)...but then she has 6 seconds of downtime per CD of her Elemental Skill, and due to the CD of Bennet's Ulti, that third shot will not do 400k damage, at most it will do about 300k, this is because Bennet's Ultimate ends.
Ittou in 5 seconds did approximately 870k of damage (not much compared to Navia), but his Ultimate is not over yet and you can continue doing charges of 118k or more with him for 6 more seconds, and like Goro's Ultimate it extends by being C6, lasts the same time as ittou's ulti.
In summary.
Ittou is still the best Geo DPS currently.
While Navia is the best in elemental damage.
Noelle is an alternative for players who prefer it.
you are forgetting something pal. navia's downtime has Navia's NA damage + off-field damage. in this case Furina. you add them up and compute as total. Itto has no one in his team except him who does damage. replay the video and you will see Navia hitting 30-50k damage with her NA's and around 20k crits on ULT. Furina is doing 8k - 31k depending on which summon hits the enemy. there's so much damage going on with Navia so if Itto is doing 110k+ hits, you need to compute how much damage the entire team did. - this is what makes Itto weaker than Navia in overall regardless of enemies Mobbing or Single target. do note that Navia can use Xiangling Bennett too. or can even use Hyperbloom since she's so versatile. and in cases where you need to fight elemental shields, Itto gets fucked up while Navia can use anyone. in this abyss rotation, there's 2 pyro lectors. let it be cryo, electro or hydro, Navia can deal with them easily since you can slot 2hydro, 2electro, 2pyro, or even 2cryo in her team and clear any abyss rotation. while Itto will want 3 Geo in his team which means harder to counter abyss rotations with elemental shields.
in real scenario you will want navia more than itto due to these cases. the only time Itto would be able to compete is when Abyss rotations becomes neutral with zero elemental shields. but that only happens very rarely as abyss floors lately has tons of them. Navia can clear every enemies itto does, but same cannot be said to itto. the clear times would be so much different.
also when support buffers end, that goes the same to Itto. his burst ends and the team will need to rotate for another round of buffs. - Navia team will have to rotate as well. now the more your account has invested units, Navia will skyrocket her team damage than Itto. what if you do Navia Raiden(C2) Bennett Furina? it works well too since Navia wouldn't need to rely on second Geo since Raiden can make her burst 100% uptime giving crystalize shards and Raiden has infinite skill uptime to create crystalize? Navia can do subdps since that Raiden will slap hard. and her infusion window is just 7s. going back to navia that will be unlimited rotation of burst damage. and if Furina has her c1/c2 then the more Navia team will get stronger. team becomes better due to how her mechanics work. Itto doesn't have this kind of flexibility. his peak of damage is already there. do note that if the player has max talent furina, it means Navia won't have her max talent as well. also, most players does not have her best in slot artifacts(with really great substats) which has 18% atk and 50% geo damage set which makes her entire kit stronger and not only her "skill". we are missing more damage multipliers and yet she already performs like this.
@@lsnexus2080 But you are also forgetting something, in Arataki Ittou's team there is one of the best sub dps on the field, Albedo.
A well-built albedo can deal damage from 30k to 70k damage per Isotone explosion, which Arataki Ittou can do easily with his charges, as can Navia, except that her basic ones are slow in comparison.
And the teams you describe with Raiden are pure Copium, even more so with the attempts to put any element that doesn't buff her to increase her elemental damage, you just want to justify her game now because you can make teams with other elements and you pair her with anyone without think of nothing. Basically, you make her lose damage and create a team with Raiden C2 claiming that Navia will excel on said team, but all you will do is nuck with a Raide, bruh. The worst of all is that you lose geo consonance by making a tremendous copy of: Navia, Furina, Benett and Raiden C2.
It's stupid.
All that's not counting the time it takes him to find or reload his bullets, and it's probably 1 shotgun blast every 3 seconds...that shit isn't DPS damage at all.
In 3 seconds ittou already made 3 consecutive charged attacks.
If you want to take advantage of her elemental damage, instead of Raiden is to team up with Furina and Benett, with the hope that Chiori will be the ideal geo support for her in the future.
@@onisupremacy8446 still no. Do a speed clear and you will see itto is not better xD you are the one coping xD shall we try speed clear then and not waste time? We have the abyss for both first and second part. Anything you say is BS because there is zero proof you have here. We can simply use them for both part. You say copium but the team is still faster than itto xD hahaha say that if you can clear faster with the same investment.
@@lsnexus2080 No, the one who is talking nonsense without proving anything here is you.
I have the Geo characters from the game, I know what I'm saying...you don't even take into account the reloads of Navia's bullets, I bet you think she reloads them quickly with the Ulti and you don't see that there is a time between reloading by enemy hit.
Ittou does damage faster than Navia does 2 full bullet shots.
You can go and try as many times as you want, you can't change that.
The chances of you reloading 6 bullets in 0.5 seconds after the first shot is 1 in 1 million. Impossible for anyone, for that reason Navia is not DPS.
And yes, that team with Raiden C2 is tremendous copium, do you know why?
Because it's not a Navia team...it's just a team for Raiden, that's why it's done "fast", and much more than Ittou, I don't dispute that...but putting Navia in that team is tremendous copium, no brings up nothing, it will just ruin the rotation for a Raiden C2.
I don't think even you know what you're saying, and something tells me that you haven't tried Navia to the fullest.
No one in their right mind believes it can be DPS, much less believe that you can load all the bullets after one shot.
At most it makes 2 shots, with a time period of 2 seconds to ensure damage, then you must wait 6 seconds for the elemental ability to restart.
Ittou Best DPS Geo
Navia Best Skill Damage Geo
@@onisupremacy8446 thats just how flexible navia teams are. Poor midto can’t compete. You can do any comps like double electro, double pyro, double hydro, or just one of every element and work just great countering abyss. Still itto losses in every abyss rotations xD and with elemental shields, itto would lose even more xD hahahaha whatever you say has zero credibility. If you can’t prove it then your nothing but a pure copium trash hoping itto to be better. Do a speed clear and we’ll talk.
everyone who tested both clearly experienced Navia is clearing faster xD
also navia being Geo works with multiple element. that alone is a huge advantage and could maximize how other reactions do. navia only needs her burst to ensure you have stacks xD
this guy did Noelle dirty
Gonna cry?
@justaguy4656 I'm crying madly and shtinng bricks you're right 😭😭😭
Noelle is your best friend from the start of the game and carries your ass to endgame without pulling a single character. Enough said. Trying to compare the new shiny thing vs something you have from the start in a completely different power scale based on what they are designed to do is very unfair as a comparison to Noelle. If anything, Noelle is the best of the 3 because of her multi purpose design and build variety you can do with her. Power is not even relevant to Noelle's design.
bro it was just a fun video idea, i mean ofc a 4 star is not beating 2 main dps 5 stars in dmg
True, doesn't change the fact she isn't as good of a dps as them even at c6, plus geo team don't need shields to begin with🤷
a c0 noelle aint carrying you through the abyss 💀
@@lucklei4665 it isn't as easy, but yes, she does. you can do 30~40k with a c0 noelle nowadays, which is plenty for abyss if you put some turrets with her (well furina is a turret so there, solved). that's without a redhorn, just an r5 whiteblind. abyss ain't much of a benchmark anymore tbh.
Plus, she doesn't need to carry, her best party at c0 is as a driver, not a carry. Works on national, hyperbloom, monohydro and a few others.
But she is ugly and very boring with that slow attacks she do...
I think navias rivals arent itto/noelle since the parties are a lot different
Maybe lyney or childe will be better comparison since they all use national team core
But the point is they are geo dps(es)
@@driz6353 Then Machine Gun Gorou should count too (Or physical Zhongli)
That’s what zajeff said
Only benett from national team used constantly in Navia team. XL and XQ is more flex
@@mrbrikcs Hmm yes for me but some people might disagree since they deal physical dmg
Being able to sustain (heal and shield) and still catching up to current meta is a big thing for noelle she's literally a starter character.
Imagine bulbasaur competing against ho-oh or charizard amd still keeping up.
yall gotta remember that itto is fun too
Yes
Not with his shit dmg
@@ziebus904shit dmg? Dawg his damage is still very good tf you on.
@@ragno-monoover4710 he cant even 36 dawg
@@ziebus904 what 36? Saying his damage is low is insane especially when your not even looking at his scaling.
Furina's healing skill mode be useless as noelle heals and it's not capped to 70%
Since when did furina's healing have a limit
@@sweetpsycho6312 I was referring to the likes of Bennett
Is noelle the only tank/healer/dps character in the game?
I stopped playing for a long time so i don't know other characters like her
C6 Zhongli
Within reason, yes. Though, some may consider Dehya for this role (even though she only heals herself)
Dpsn't@@nero9175
C6 Furina. She is a buffer, subdps, offield hydro applicator, healer, frontloaded dps, tanker too because of high HP and most of all she doesn't suffer from energy issues. The only role she cannot fill is shielder and crowd controller and if the cryo archon become all of those roles at C6 then she would be the ultimate character but until then it is Furina for now 😅😅😅
C6 Furina also costs like both kidneys and a couple semesters of tuition so.... Ouch.
u cant compare characters who are not even on the same race track just because they are all geo
theres no point and the result doesnt really prove anything, they have their different place of use
This proves that c6 Noelle is good unit.
@@thewanderingartists idk whats the connection between my comment and ur reply but ok
Noelle would be 5-star if she had become knight of favonius
В команде с Ноэль, Фурину надо было ставить на урон и брать Юнь Цзинь вместо Деда.
True and true.
Noelle is the most flexible as well as fully swlf sustaining. Navia does most upfront dmg. Itto best preforms in aoe situation.
Navia requires Furina and Bennet, itto needs c6 gouru and Noelle wants pocket nuclear plant.
That is all 3 are good pick the pretiest one and actually invest into correct builds and none will disappoint
Navia doesn't need furina and benny. She can use them but she's the most flexible geo unit in the game.
Noelle is not flexible, she's literally just a dps and just a main dps at that. No one uses her for heals or shields aside from Furina teams which is worse than Navia teams. Noelle and Itto are simply worse than Navia
Navia is the most flexible, Tf you saying ?
@@nobody-xh6ii Zhongli exists
@@editimpact66she's literally both a DPS and healer who can single-handedly max out Furina's burst. That IS flexible.
I have to say that I prefer Navia only because she does most of her damage with her ability but also she has zero trouble recharging her ult.
Noelle would be so much better if only she didn't had such terrible energy recharge problems but if you go for a recharge sands and weapon then she won't do any damage
Navia has er issues, but she isn’t dependent on her burst so it might feel like it does
Navia is also has ER issue wdym. If you don't use her burst, you lost shard generation = DPS loss.
Also, I've always been using fav Gorou+4pc exile and Albedo/Fav Kachina/Fav Zhongli, and they're enough to battery Noelle with 110% ER. Tbh, most of the time, my Redhorn Noelle are much comfier to use than my WGS Navia. Maxing Navia dmg and collecting shards coupled with circle impact from Bennett are more annoying than just funneling particle to Noelle, not to mention about fish-critting especially if you don't use 4pc MH+Furina on Navia.
But still not gonna deny that Navia is much better for speedrunning
What did you set your saturation settings at? Looks really good
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS SHOWDAWN GREAT VIDEO
Noelle and Navia work really well together, alongside Furina, I'm running all three in my second account, and despite Navia being barely built (I don't have books because of Mr Neuvilette) and WGS, she's hitting 100k+ when fully charged.
If I wasn't already dead-set on Yoimiya in the main account, I definitely would've pulled for Navia there as well, since I have much better resources for her in the main account than in the second account, I have Unforged, which works much better than WGS for Navia, and enough mats as well, alongside a much better Noelle and Furina
It's fun using them together. My noelle's party doesn't allow navia to do her best damage, but still, the moment noelle's 4th hit lands, swap navia in, hit 250k, then swap back to noelle and do it again. it's very fun to do and quite strong. using navia like this is actually better than albedo and yunjin for noelle, believe it or not. that is, if your navia can pull this type of damage without bennet. otherwise maybe not, albedo is too easy and comf to build and use.
I've been playing Genshin since day 1, and I have been unlucky enough where I haven't gotten my C6 Noelle, till today, I am so glad my favorite maid knight is so comparable to current 5Stars like Navia, a true GOAT
Is it just me or every typical geo dps is a claymore wielder?..
umm... maybe geo seems to be a symbol of strength and that's why they usually wield claymore.
in Noelle gameplay, switch Furina in ousia mode. Then the fun begins!
I love Itto, but I stopped using him because of his energy problems
albedo can solve your problem
110 er
3 favonius+C2
No have problems
@@donedanione6725 that's a lot of conditions... some of which you don't need.
I love Itto, I use him all the time and I don't have energy problems with 110%ER
Navia had the furina attack bots while itto had the healing bots
GG navia you earned it even tho i hated you but .... that dmg is insane
This Noelle is stronger than my C1 Navia.
Why you put furina i healing mode for noelle and itto but not for navia? just asking
It helps her to use the artifact "song of days of past" Which boosts dmg bonus of on field character like itto, Noelle by a lot It's sad we can't use that for navia since she needs crystal shards formed from crystallize reaction which can only be done with hydro aura provided by furina.
@@DYSPROGENSHIN oh i see thx
@@DYSPROGENSHIN oh damn i never though of trying that. although i hardly think it's going to give more damage than the massive amount of personal damage furina has 🤔 still good for damage per screenshot showcases.
@@GenshinYuppe IK it's not going to help much but I prefer to showcase character value over team value. since team can easily manipulate the dmg of any DPS. like with a perfect team even dehya can clear any challenge. and yes, don't worry about furina dmg in navia showcase it didn't help her since she already did one shotable dmg.
I think it's wrong to compare these 3 characters, noel use normal atk, itto use power atk, navia use burst from elemental skill,
It's like berserk itto, mage navia, and tanky warrior with stable dmg noel
No matter what ill always stick itto in terms of geo but navia is my fav too
Proud to be main Navia!
Dang song its blue bird. 😊 i was already singing upon hearing the first few notes…
Aoi aoi ano soraaaaaa….
Every time I hear those notes it plays rent free in my head for days on end.
Noelle is day one release, 4 star character and still able to kick asses.
Itto run: Furina is healer
Navia run: Furina in damage mode 😕
unfair for Itto
To gain crystal and aim by navia
Navia has front loaded dmg so it’s not a fair comparison witg Itto. Noelle can also do AOE dmg
Exactly
Noelle being a free char and can easily be done C6 from a shop its far better than many 4 star dps plus she can heal and sheild, the only requirement is redhorn i cant even imagine this kind of dmg from some 5stars like diluc ,kequing,dehya😂
If you like her yh you can c6 her she’ll be nice to have but she’s not that much valuable compared to other sub-dps/dps for an account like xiangling, xingqiu, fischl etc…
@@Ms-dk8mf Well that's true, those are a must. Like honestly the only must characters are the support ones. Meanwhile main dps(Like Noelle) are kinda not that important, because the main dps without the right units are bad. On the other hand you can make a effective comp with only sub dps/support characters.
> Redhorn
> requirement
Naaaah man. Noelle has Whiteblind as a strong budget option. What she "needs" is a battery because they hate early game healers (see Barbara and Qiqi).
@@0niisama if we manage c6 gorou,albedo and bennet then only noelle can perform properly with white blind , gorou is must for er
She really isnt. Stop overrating her
No L's burst is my favorite elemental infusion in the game.
Considering her AOE damage, Noelle is still great but maybe not for a single target
Yess she absolutely demolishes in events with aoe scenario and multiple waves
Can someone please tell me what version of blue bird this is it's amazing
Merry Christmas! I'm wanting to get Navia instead of Raiden, because I only have 2 hydro for the team, Xinqqiu in National and Barbara improvised in HyperBloom. Getting raiden would improve the national, but it would leave the hyperbloom team weak even if it got nahida. I'm thinking about forgetting Raiden, getting Navia and releasing National's xinqqiu to put him with Nahida, note: my kuki is already built at lvl 90. Bennet and Xiangling could easily do a team melt or with Navia. I don't know... Should I skip the raiden? Taking her just for being an archon would only strengthen one team, while the Navia would release very strong hydro for Nahida's team. At least while I wait for yelan or furina to return.
Do you already have Nahida?
She's coming next soon (after Raiden).
And I would say Nahida > Raiden or Navia at the moment.
The current Abyss will be Geo favoured, but only "this time"...
After that, electro > geo still, reaction wise.
Raiden can be played in national, Hypercarry, Agrevate (Hypercarry to free Bennett) OR even easy Hyperbloom.
For my opinion a C2/3 Raiden sooooome day in the future is much more a "goal" than a C0 Navia. 🤔
Even when I really LIKE Navia's look.
But Raiden looks fine too, so anyways.
Navia is good, no doubt, first flexible Geo char...
But still, Geo is "at the moment" the worst element and electeo is better.
But since you have a build Kuki you can play Hyperbloom well, that's why I asked for Nahida. ☝🏻
You don't need a Raiden for that though.
But Raiden Natuonal / Agrevate or Hypercarry with C6 Sara and C2 Raiden would be a crazy good "future goal".
@@homezonebenny
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!
I don't have nahida, I'm waiting for her banner to arrive. It would improve the strength of my account, while Raiden, in the short term, would leave me stagnant compared to Navia and Nahida. I only have Xingqiu on my account, making me choose whether to use National or Hyperbloom. I chose to give priority to the Hyperbloom team, as Nahida is on the way and my Kuki is very strong. So out of necessity, I can't go after Raiden.
@@Lu_kas4768 That's the same I would suggest.
Try to collect primos until Nahida, get her!
She's the best Dendro you can have and Hyperbloom is strong with your XQ and Kuki.
If you have a Sucrose she could buff even more EM to the Team. Or a 2nd Dendro for Dendro Resonance.
Even if it's Yaoyao, or a Dendro Shield Character would work too, so your on-field 800EM Nahida gets less interruptions and Dendro Res Buff for 2x Dendro.
Maybe:
Nahida (Main DPS),
XQ (Sub-DPS + Bloom),
Kuki (1.000 EM Hyperbloom enabler),
Kirara as Shielder + 2nd Dendro.
I need to check if Kirara C6 works for Hyperbloom dmg as well. 🤔🤷🏻♂️
Yaoyao C1 DMG buff helps, but 2x healers aren't the best. But since you probably don't have Alhaitam as 2nd Dendro or Yelan as 2nd Hydro... The Sucrose EM Buff, Dendro MC Buffs, Kirara comfort Shields, or Yaoyao extra heal / dendro application / C1 extra dmg could be an option.
Or you have:
Ayato, Nahida, XQ, Kuki
Ayato main DPS, Nahida 1.000em now Instead of 800em because not on-field anymore.
XQ extra hydro sub dps, Kuki as heal and Hyperblooms.
Alternative to XQ would be Sucrose to buff EM and shred hydro / electro res to buff Kukis Hyperbloom and Ayato's hydro DMG.
So XQ would be free for a National Team.
And how about their stats/artifact sets? Maybe Itto was naked and Navia was in BIS gear?
Itto was hitting 111k every charged attack he was definitely not naked
lol why would you even suggest that? both are pretty cracked.
noelle's build might be the weaker one here. My noelle definitely does more damage per hit than my itto at their best. their dps is similar because itto hits faster.
@@GenshinYuppe Obviously I suggest providing info about their artifacts/weapons/constellations so that this comparison would start making any sense. Most of the Genshin showcases/character reviews on RUclips have sections where you can see their build used in the video, and this is missing here.
@@GenshinYuppei mean, its def not the build since noelle and itto uses the same ones anyways.
@@andrewjamez9741 which is wrong. itto has a CR ascension, noelle has a def% ascension. when i give itto my noelle's stuff, i have to change his hat to CD otherwise he ends up with like 120 CR
The fact noelle doesn't generate particles it's enough to lose a priori
Conclusion? Navia is the best designed character (visually and conceptually) that geo will probably ever have
I love all three of these characters. Especially Navia and Itto
I really want a C6 Noelle, But she never comes in any banner
Even in the beginners banner I managed to get only 1 😭.
Seems like she doesn't approve me as her master.
Same I'm at C4, hopefully she's on a good banner soon
Lemme guess, you skipped nahida's release?
Its not that I skipped, I just started playing when venti with wriothessly banners were ongoing😅 and it's like 4 to 5 months after nahidas banner.
Before that I didn't know what even Genshin was😅
@@BOT_SHOT-c7b Ohh okay, I didn't think of that. Noelle was featured on nahida's banner and I got c7 of her 🥲
Noelle is one of the 12 4* characters who appear regularly in the Paimon's Bargains (the in-game shop from the Menu). She is always present on February and August and you can buy her for 34 Masterless Starglitter (which you gain by pulling a duplicate of a 4* or 5* you already possess).
So you can eventually C6 her even if you're unlucky, it will only take time.
C0 navia hitting 550k how?so furina is better than mona for her?i run the same team but use furina with Neuvilette
Xiao will receive a support next patch. (Xianyun)
Cloud Retainer = Anemo healer/ Plunge damage support buff
Itto might get a buff too. (Chiori)
I think Chiori will be a Geo healer with Charged attack damage support buff since there are no characters yet that buff charged attacks.
This is the best hope for Itto if Hoyo wants him to be viable against Navia😂
Just imagine if Navia gets a dedicated buffer character, she will be unstoppable 😂
I think its likely those character will be support for neuvi not itto so its likely those character will not be geo but hydro. I mean the current character that can buff charge attack(layla with constelation) synergized well with neuvi. And who the heck itto so hoyo would look at him? from liyue? no... Important character that regularly appear? not really.. So i doubt hoyo will buff him.. Beside, he already fun to play now. If hoyo want to revive geo, they would make crystalize easier to do because now, navia the only one can use it.. We dont even have navia cheap 4 star copycat
Gorou was for Itto, it is believed that Chiori will be for Navia.
Some leaks said that chiori would use the cristalyse reaction to buff the team depending on the element of the shard, not sure if it will work for itto tho ...
I hope chiori isn't a navia support. We need a proper geo support gorou is only for mono geo
Is Zhongli better then Yun Jin tho? It feels like Yun Jin would be better for Noelle or Itto (if you don't need a shield) for more dps.
Yunjin is definitely not for Itto, his burst swings are all charge attacks, while Yunjin only buff normal attacks.
@@yushion5804 oh, good to know, but it works for Noelle?
@@awajinsei yea it works on Noelle.
Notice how Navia is the best 🤭
Особенно против толпы.
Против толпы Ноэлль, навия нет@@hooklife2750
they did bad to Itto unfair
Frontload 👍
Just for its elemental damage, in dps damage ittou is still better.
It's all about CD, both Navia's elemental skill and the supports Ultimate that come with it.
The time she spends her 2 skills, getting crystallized to maximize damage, and the supports buffs cause her damage not to be per second.
Especially the crystallized ones, hopefully after the first shot you can get 3 crystals + 3 bullets for Navia's Ultimate, then you have 5 seconds of downtime while you repeat the same process of collecting crystals.
Ittou is still the best dps.
The fact that Noellu wear pantyhose make me want to build her properly, but unfortunately i dont know how to reach dmg like that, as far as i know only Benny that can buff damage high enough
We need to see a legit 1mil dmg noelle, all the ones on yt rn involves bug abuse😞
You also forgot about ningguang rip
Bro, do you have a video on how to carry itto, gorou, zhongli? I have them and nothing that I get that figure.
I find it funny how any time theres any Noelle content, even if it not the main focus of a video, the comment section replies are just people telling Noelle enjoyers that she’s bad and list reasons why they shouldn’t consider her good, best part usually they just read some incorrect guide saying she has this or that issue while realistically she doesn’t, or bring up investment requirements, as if most people don’t over invest into the meta characters too, sometimes with c6 r5 five stars with the absolute best teams possible for them, and yeah, I’m more than down to over invest into a character I like, whats wrong with that?
Noelle personally isn't good but the fact thay she can heal and shield and can easily activate furina buff makes it more open for a sub dps or support in the team not requiring a healer
Noëlle is a 4 star too
trouble i have with noelle is her ulti recharge rate. it can be quite slow and i dont know how to fix that
Exactly, problems with hyper carries is that you have to sacrifice some dmg stats in order to build more er, same with itto
Navia doesn't have that problem!!
@@Moroha-m you really don't, you need to pass the burden to your supports. gorou with favonius and exile pretty much solves that on his own, almost.
@fengsanlian
Navia doesn't have energy issues but she has her damage output drastically kneecapped without a full team of supports constanty generating reactions. Energy is easy to overcome.
Navia>itto
Correct 💪🗿
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You had furina in healing mode for Noelle and Itto and damage mode for Navia. Soooooooo biased mate 😀
Do you know an artifact set known as "song of days of past" Which provides your party dmg bonus based on the amount of heal???? Of course you don't know...
Furina is using that artifact set while in itto and Noelle run......
And don't be so...... To ask why I didn't use that artifact set for navia run as well?? Because navia case is not same she needs crystallized shards to gain dmg bonus so at least one character applying elemental aura is needed else I could have used that artifact set for her as well
And whatever it's not like navia already overkilled the boss by dealing 580k where only 200k dmg was required 😂 so the dmg dealt by furina is just negligible
So at least learn how to make sense👌
Bro she will die even uf furina in heal mood
@@DYSPROGENSHIN but i think u sould said that in cooment
@@DYSPROGENSHINit's understandable that you were using Furina's attack mode with Navia for the shards.
But didn't know that the new healing set on Furina will make Noelle's team dps larger than if you were using Golden Troupe and attack mode on her on the same team, quite impressive of the new set..
@ym7402 idc if the new set can out perform sub dps value or not since this is not a navia vs furina video....
0:21 opening Naruto
Ehh ? How ?
But Noelle is large AoE. She does that same damage to every target around her no mater how many.
I honestly think the team comps would've been better. It's not fair tho, the other one has benny boy.
navia is confirmed to be the geo archon
more like the shotgun archon
I've never seen Ei take this much damage...
However, my Noelle isn't lagging far behind Navia either and she outperformed the Oni as a trial character!
Ofc it's noelle
its navia u ignorant shart
If you’re using a C6 Noelle, then you should have used her Charged Attack instead of her Normal Attack. Noelle’s C2 increases her CA by 15%, and decreases its stamina drain by 50%. It’s not a big difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Obviously Navi’s would take less, her kit is for big burst damage. Meanwhile Itto and Noelle is consistent damage. There is no reason or seanse to compare this 3 units.
Why would you even use zhong li with noelle? Either replace him with yunjin or at least use CA which has higher MV (but sadly cannot be buffed by yunjin)
they did bad to Itto he has low damages compared to navia , it's unfair
Itto can sustain his damage for longer and is a bit better for waves of enemies in AOE. Navia wipes the floor with him in floors with a handful of tanky enemies or bosses though.
You are literally not adding up the damage.
Ittou did 5 charges of 655k + 219k of Ushi's damage, it would be 874k total damage in 5 seconds.
Navia did 900k in 4 seconds, but she no longer has bullets to make another shot, on a Boss like Raiden there is no problem, but if enemies spam then you lose time.
On the other hand, after Ittou's combo he still has 6 seconds to play with his Ultimate.
That's why Ittou is still better DPS.
@@onisupremacy8446 you are forgetting something pal. navia's downtime has Navia's NA damage + off-field damage. in this case Furina. you add them up and compute as total. Itto has no one in his team except him who does damage. replay the video and you will see Navia hitting 30-50k damage with her NA's and around 20k crits on ULT. Furina is doing 8k - 31k depending on which summon hits the enemy. there's so much damage going on with Navia so if Itto is doing 110k+ hits, you need to compute how much damage the entire team did. - this is what makes Itto weaker than Navia in overall regardless of enemies Mobbing or Single target. do note that Navia can use Xiangling Bennett too. or can even use Hyperbloom since she's so versatile. and in cases where you need to fight elemental shields, Itto gets fucked up while Navia can use anyone. in this abyss rotation, there's 2 pyro lectors. let it be cryo, electro or hydro, Navia can deal with them easily since you can slot 2hydro, 2electro, 2pyro, or even 2cryo in her team and clear any abyss rotation. while Itto will want 3 Geo in his team which means harder to counter abyss rotations with elemental shields.
in real scenario you will want navia more than itto due to these cases. the only time Itto would be able to compete is when Abyss rotations becomes neutral with zero elemental shields. but that only happens very rarely as abyss floors lately has tons of them. Navia can clear every enemies itto does, but same cannot be said to itto. the clear times would be so much different.
also when support buffers end, that goes the same to Itto. his burst ends and the team will need to rotate for another round of buffs. - Navia team will have to rotate as well. now the more your account has invested units, Navia will skyrocket her team damage than Itto. what if you do Navia Raiden(C2) Bennett Furina? it works well too since Navia wouldn't need to rely on second Geo since Raiden can make her burst 100% uptime giving crystalize shards and Raiden has infinite skill uptime to create crystalize? Navia can do subdps since that Raiden will slap hard. and her infusion window is just 7s. going back to navia that will be unlimited rotation of burst damage. and if Furina has her c1/c2 then the more Navia team will get stronger. team becomes better due to how her mechanics work. Itto doesn't have this kind of flexibility. his peak of damage is already there. do note that if the player has max talent furina, it means Navia won't have her max talent as well. also, most players does not have her best in slot artifacts(with really great substats) which has 18% atk and 50% geo damage set which makes her entire kit stronger and not only her "skill". we are missing more damage multipliers and yet she already performs like this.
@@onisupremacy8446 Itto will lose to Navia in any time clears. so no Itto is not a better DPS because of the entire team. Navia has a better team which will output more DPS than Itto. you did compute every Itto's team damage but not Navia's entire team damage. go to abyss and see how Navia will beat itto itto in 5sec 874k as you have computed, now in this video Navia's team did = 586k + 482k on skill = 1,038,000. even your math is wrong. now add her NA's Off-field damage and ult damage:
Furina in this video:
9.9k + 21k + 31k + 5k + 9k + 12k = 87.9k
Navia's NA:
30k + 52k = 82k
Navia's Ult:
41k (Initial hit) + 8k(noncrit) + 9k (noncrit) + 21k (crit) + 21k (crit) = 100k
so in total= navia did not do 900k only but the team did = 1,307,900 - way higher than how itto did in your computation.
and again, Navia in this video probably isn't even using her Best set which is the new set for Geo 18% atk + 50% geo damage.
@@lsnexus2080 I already answered you above, and that is not damage per second for Navia, literally the probability of loading 6 bullets after firing the first shot is incredibly low, and Navia's basic ones are absurdly slow compared to Ittou's charged ones that increase the speed the more charge it is.
And I repeat the above, you are not counting Albedo's elemental damage in a basic Ittou team.
Better DPS = Ittou (this is damage per second)
Best Elemental Damage = Navia.
HOLy!!! MOLLY!! 556k I love the big numbers 👏🗿🍷
Itto>
I used navia,noelle,furina in the same time,i won't say i regret this
noelle fans are very annoying abt her lmao
players with lvl 20 noelle be like :- "noelle fans are very annoying abt her lmao"
meanwhile I have literally every 5 stars in game with million dmg potential but I still use noelle for abyss.
if I have to choose one dps to do abyss I will choose Noelle over Navia......
@@DYSPROGENSHINdyspro just built different🥶
nice example
@@DYSPROGENSHIN
@DYSPROGENSHIN Noelle doesn't have 100% uptime on any part of her kit and using her as a main dps is worthless when others are better for the dps role while just having a shielder or healer that's dedicated for the roles. Especially when Noelle shield only lasts 10 seconds at best because it runs out by the 15 second mark.
Navia just shreads everything, has 100% uptime with low ER% investment, can use benny, zhongli c2 is her best friend ever and yae just makes crystalize after crystalize. Easy 100k with barely any good 4/4 gt +0 piece with +20 'meh' geo piece. And that's a pure 5 star team with 1 benny who's considered a 5 star... there's teams where she can use other units for a cheaper cost and still dish out more. Add in furina for osuia and its GG.
Noelle? Too much is needed to make her good in the long run. The effort is just not worth it. No one realistically will choose Noelle over Navia unless you are a die hard, dedicated fan of noelle.
own@@nobody-xh6ii
we can't say exactly just because they all fighting a boss, to my knowledge Itto and Noelle is quite better in AOE situation specially if Mobs are scattered, mostly Noelle. Meanwhile itto is typically good at both. Navia is different story.
Navia is officially the strongest character now.
neuvillette?
Just for its elemental damage, in dps damage ittou is still better.
It's all about CD, both Navia's elemental skill and the supports Ultimate that come with it.
The time she spends her 2 skills, getting crystallized to maximize damage, and the supports buffs cause her damage not to be per second.
Especially the crystallized ones, hopefully after the first shot you can get 3 crystals + 3 bullets for Navia's Ultimate, then you have 5 seconds of downtime while you repeat the same process of collecting crystals.
Ittou is still the best dps.
@@onisupremacy8446 copium
@onisupremacy8446 you can use Navia's basic attack for 8 secs with geo infusion
@@onisupremacy8446beub
Is it so hard to accept the facts ? 💀
But something to note here
Furina is C2 which gave advantage to other characters but Noelle cause she can very easily obtain fanfare stacks unlike the other two characters
So pair that with her availability and how f2p friendly she is
She's the one👌🏿
navia and noelle geo queens
noelle sneak
you forgor Ningguang
Note that this isn't even Noelle's best team (IMO). You could swap either Gorou or Zhongli to Yelan and get even more damage amp on Noelle and more HP to support the double hydro comp. Noelle is just way more versatile than Itto tbh, and probably just as good of a Geo DPS as Navia's, though Navia is more of a quickswap like Ningguang then main DPS.
The video was comparing pure dmg, and Noelle failed...
yunjin is a massive bonus over zhongli for noelle dps. mine hits harder than this even outside of raiden's vulnerability phase. but this isn't a bad team either. noelle's damage is just more spread out, and this showcase favors navia's frontloaded damage. only one enemy, only one wave, and it does well within her first rotation. plus this navia is pretty cracked.
Only Noelle can solo Cpelia in abyss 12 so she is the goat
she cant solo because of no particle generation
@@med2006v never heard of fav claymore?
Lyney...
@@le4ff144 soo cope im pretty sure she cant solo the currents abys
@@med2006v skill issue
WHAT IS ITTO'S BUILD??? WHAT IS HIS CR AND CD???
Noelle run was kinda bad. Use Yun Jin instead of Zhongli, and have Furina on her HP drain mode. You’d clear a lot faster, especially with Yun Jin.
Itto is an aoe damager. I'm tired of these videos.
Navia is simply abysmal compared to other GEO DPS (in terms of cost and damage mainly), I don't know how there are people who believe that Noelle or Itto are as good as her.
It's worth remembering that basically any 4-star character can beat any Boss with a good team like these, the 5-star ones are simply cheaper (normally they don't require C1 or more, although it is more recommended in some), they have greater damage, and they are almost always much more stolen.
Blue bird is the song in background if someone is wandering
how c0 itto make 111872 damage on one ss ca??
lmao, Noelle heals by doing damage, and Zhongli heals by taking damage, plus both are shield as their E, making the invincible togather
Dont bring a sword to a gun fight
Now let see when they’re taking damage, tell me whose stronger😁