I Disagree with Javed Akhtar on Religion, God and Atheism| Is there a God?| Kya Bhagwan Hai?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this video, I submit to you a provocative poet and his arrogantly atheistic stance on everybody else.
Please, before you respond violently, pay attention to what I am saying. I think I am being very fair to first principles. I maintain my respect for Mr. Akhtar as a brilliant artist.
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The Original Video: Shut Up Ya Kunal - Episode 14 : Religion (Javed Akhtar & Yogendra Yadav - Part 2)
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#JavedAkhtar #Religion #Atheism
With all due Respect, I disagree with you
Me too
Mee too
Bro thinks he is dope....but deep underneath he reverberates jai sreeram....😅
😂😂😂
Bhai you are roasting him at the start implying that being an atheist in public is not a big thing. Look at it from a perspective of Islam. Renouncing Islam i.e. apostasy is given death penalty in Islam, so it is indeed a courageous thing for a public Muslim figure to do that.
Yeah, agreed
to mulle to hote hi dalle hain
Agree, also I am born in Hindu family , need lot of courage to accept that i don't believe in any religion
@@deepikabhardwaj187 naah bro i am an hindu and i openly said that i dont belive in the god or the bhakti philosophy as i dont ressonate with it , but my mum , father and friends were very cool about it also the collegues ,. just my mum became little upset but that,s okay . no one started FATWA against me
@@anshulchouhan1482 bro i came from different background, not easy for me, good to hear about ur ppl, happy for u
"the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim"
This!
That's okay. But he is quite right in claiming that absence of evidence can't be used to arrive at conclusion. That's another kind of logical fallacy. Even probabilistically, if you consider Russel's Teapot, there is a very miniscule amount of probability of there being a teapot orbiting around the sun. However, probabilistically it is thus concluded that there is a very low probability of a teapot orbiting around the sun. Google "Black Swan Fallacy" and "Shifting the burden of proof" fallacy. Religious believers often commit the second one whilst a strawman atheist would argue with the first one.
@@palashchanda9308 Not enough to arrive at a conclusion, maybe. But absence of evidence can be evidence of absence, if you would expect to find the evidence but don't when you look for it. For example, if someone claims there is an all powerful and compassionate god, then when you look for evidence of this but find tons of misery in the world, that absence of evidence is also evidence of absence.
Exactly !!
@@mmo4754 For the worst case, the given example tells that the term 'compassionate' does not fit under the definition of god. Means the claim does not "particularly" say that god exists but it "collectively" says that there is a god who is, as the claimer defines, all powerful and compassionate, and findings say something opposite to the compassion. That absence of evidence(of compassion in the world) is evidence of absence(of compassion in the given definition of god) but not the evidence of absence(of god).
This is the first time I found Prakhar's arguments weak. Mixing rituals, culture, religion and faith is the most murky way to tackle the questions around God. The attitude of questioning holy existence/notions has been one of the oldest practices of this land which we proudly accept. Let's leave that room for all of us.
Yes correct. Javed Akhtar is no expert but I have to say he made more sense in the video except that belief vs faith wala part.
Prakhar's arguments are biased towards supernatural existence while it's more rational to question this supposed existence first.
Also, any holy book can't be considered an evidence like he said. It's a work of fiction/philosophy/social study.
Disha Singh Ironically this type of deconstruction of universal guiding stories which revolves around god has bring more chaos than enlightenment.
@@pumpkinpotion9207 Javed akhtar didn't really made any sense lmao.
You said it! Prakhar doesn’t make any sense this time, he just whining in this vdo!😅
@@sociopath7541 yes suicide bombing and caste system brings enlightenment.
I think as an atheist , i should clarify something
I can never prove a negative, so i can't prove that god is not there just like i can't prove that anything is not there
So the constraints of my arguement would be to prove that i am doing a better job than a theist to find the nature of truth.
As an atheist i rely on much more objectives truth that are easily replicable by other people with different perspectives. I also have the humility to accept that i have not discovered the absolute truth , 2000 yrs ago when we didn't even know that the earth goes around the sun. I am not saying that truth and lies are at two extreme , i am just saying it is a spectrum on which i am doing objectively better than a theist.
Well if u can't give scientific and objective truth about existence of god and you still believe in it, then how are u better than a flat earthers or a person who does voodoo?
God is an escape of logic, that is we have made this all powerful creature that could do anything at anytime. So we can explain almost any event by god for ex- we used to think that lightning is caused by god until we found out that it is due to electric discharge of clouds.
So my ideas are not written in stone and that is a good thing as i can change it and make it better as time goes on. Our humility towards our ideas is not our vulnerability.
Excuse my bad English, i am trying to improve 😊
sushant kumar i completely fall under your category of belief, however it’s not atheism exactly which you’re talking about it’s called omnism where a person may believe in all religion or have a lack of thereof but the most important theory again to that person is “I know that I don’t know “
@@samainagupta9798 how is that different than being an agnostic?
sushant kumar So basically Agnosticism of any kind means “without proof( the proof should be of a kind defined by human logic)” so if you are an agnostic theist that means you believe in God(the literal one as defined by religion)but also know that there’s no proof for the same and An agnostic atheist you do not believe in God but again you know that there’s no legit way to prove your belief......however an omnist is just not limited to think that there’s no proof for my belief/disbelief in religion but also knows that though no religion is truth but the truth is found in all. They are sure that the way religion is interpreted by the world is far too literal but if one understands the meaning and depth which is all a reference to the spiritual world then it might not be completely false. Precisely speaking the only difference is that an omnist believes in seeking truth to which any or maybe all religion(if perceived in a non-literal fashion i.e in it’s true symbolic sense) can lead them to the ultimate truth and there is a strong possibility that they will find it that way as the belief goes. There is a very subtle difference between these two terms so yes you really need to understand these things before exactly getting on which category you fit in, but again beliefs do change with time as perceptions do !
I hope I could explain myself
Well flat earth people don't believe in proven facts and that aside you can't really say if you are an atheist you are better objectively than a believer
@@Aditya-iw8xd why tho?
This guy's recognises and point out the layering elements triggering each other and has got the right vocabulary to articulate it across.
So do you XD
Bro dont manipulate. He said in this video that he doesn't know that wheather God exists Or not.
Yeah. He's an agnostic Atheist. Prakhar is just making a desperate effort to comment on something that he doesn't fully understand.
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Okay, so after watching this video I finally feel like commenting here. I got to know about your channel because of Shwetabh bhai only and have been watching your videos continuously after that. The best you have is, you know you're intelligent but even being intelligent you're genuinely humble and always make your point without disrespecting anyone and never try to show that only you're right. This is a very rare quality people have these days and you're doing a great job. We need more people like you. All the best brother.
Jyotin Goyal thank you. This made my day
Thank you for all the efforts. it always feels better to know something new you didn't know about yesterday and I am able to sharpen my mind because of people like you. Having a counsellor like you in school and colleges will help the kids to clean their mind otherwise it gets too late when we understand what is important and what is not. I wish you all the best and I hope people will start spending their time wisely after watching you and shwetabh bhai more.
@@PrakharkePravachan can we talk somehow. Apart from this ??
@@PrakharkePravachan I really have a lot of questions.
@@PrakharkePravachan Just a correction Prakhar, the existence of atoms can be and has been verified through techniques known as spectroscopy.
I was a hyper religious person who followed most of the religions in India so you can say my whole football field was illuminated so when I became an Atheist even though my field might be dark I still remembered everything there was in it.
Same btw love from an ex hindu atheist
Somebody had to bash Javed Akhtar like this with absolute reasoning and logic. Javed says 1 amazing thing and then 1 stupid at the same time but have enormous confidence and having this superior way of showing i know more.
Hi, I mean no hate to you, brother, but why are atheist always looked down upon in our country? I mean there are lot of babas, who feel they are superior to everybody and spew out many stupid things. Yet, the babas are worshipped by many people in our country. When a non-believer wants to put out his point forward in a confident way, people shame him for that. I feel sad for the critical thinkers of our country.
@@piyushmohananpulukool2279 exactly bro. The questioning of the bravery or pompousness of a person speaking for atheism is vastly different from that of a religious figure, because people assume that spirituality is infallible and reasoning is at the behest of criticism. There is a double standard when people deal with this idea. Javed Akhtar says a lot of things which don't make sense or are logically not the best arguments but people believe that uncertainty or skepticism of an atheist's world view is a failure for atheism.
@@piyushmohananpulukool2279 Tum jo baba ki baat kar rhe ho unko ye wali audience nahi dekhti.
Well for quite a lot of time he has been sold by the media and Bollywood in general as literally a God who cannot speak anything wrong at all, so no one even bothered to criticize his ideas.
Bro, there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is something that you can question rationally, whereas there's no question in faith. And perhaps the most important element here is "accountability". There's no accountability in faith, whereas there's always an accountability in belief inspite of acceptance. For instance, in democracy, people have belief in the system or law or their head of Govt which means though people believe him still he's accountable to them. But where a king rules, people are told to have just faith in him/ his process where it could be just BUT there's no accountability. Hence, faith is blind acceptance where belief is acceptance with the possibility of questioning and reasoning which isn't present in the former.
Was looking for this. Otherwise, I would have posted something along the similar line. I lost him at his prospect of taking the two in the same vain, though the effort put in this video is pretty evident. plus his theory on atoms in the room was a little out of place.
Yaha PE god ki bat ho Rahi hai or jo tumhare samne hai hi nahi in a material form uski accountability ki bat I mean ye toh chutiyapa hai that's why I don't like belief system cause it sets you on a one direction but in actual humans are not supposed to have just one way or view about things they are supposed to have all ways so their growth can be infinite take Hinduism for example it's not a religion it's a culture so people don't know for sure what is the one truth cause there's not one but many ,belief system apko ek god or view se ek saath bound toh karta hai par bakiyo se alag bhi toh karta hai so I don't think ki belief system is good cause it's hinders your view towards the wide prospect of life but having faith in everything is okay cause anything can be true or false there's not a question of accountability cause we are talking about a non materialistic think here
Uncertainty is in both but I understand first one could be check it's different that we don't urge enough so it's comes under not knowing to ghanta Direct keh do na and the last part he said was so true that jo accha bache wo ghar le ke ajao I understand iss line ki value tumhe nahi pata chalegi agar tum western countries mein hote too pata chalti I can't say what it is but there is something in religion so as I said no need to throw baby with the bath water that something good take it and throw the rest
That's true but when we are talking about god we have faith but in religion be have a mix of faith and belief
@@Aditya-iw8xd or sometimes not
12:05 Communist are also people of faith, they have faith in communism
They blindly follow their ideology and put it above humanity , communism is dengerous cult for humanity
They actually don't care about establishing equality through communism or humanism. They are trying to fulfill their own personal agendas
@@harshadrandhe5693 what is communism ??
@@RahulRaj-qf3ey please do search on internet
@@harshadrandhe5693 bhai tum bolo na...tumne hi bola dangerous cult hai... defination kya hai communism ke...ye to pata nhi aur gyaan pel rhe ho
I got u in my recommendations.. N I am so grateful that I get to know about your channel.. I binge watching the videos..
Thank you
Ditto
The bible constantly contradicts itself. So its not a reliable source of "gwahi" which he is mentioning.
You need to educate yourself about Christianity
@@beingindian1470 I will
@@beingindian1470 What education did u receive thru Christianity?
@@beingindian1470 buddy bible is the most shittiest book it says that sun revolves around earth 😂😂
@@jackdanksterdawson112 do you embrace schools?
A couple of things you said are quite right. Although, the point about atoms was horribly incorrect, there are ways to prove of their existence. Also, I believe no matter whether you are religious or an atheist, you have to keep exploring for yourself lifelong, religion can never be a map for life, you will still have to go and validate it for yourself, that is if you are rational.
What he meant from the atom thing was that u cannot verify it then and there
@@ibn7365 but thats not the point, existence of God or whatever you may call it, cannot be proved in any definite way, unlike atoms
@@gurpreetkaur8663 yes I agree but I was only giving u the context
@@ibn7365 i get the context, but that is precisely why it isn't the correct argument when comparing to something like religion or atheism
@@gurpreetkaur8663 yup
Aapne kahaa,
"50 Saal kaa aadmi accha lagtaa hai kyaa piye huye raaste mai padaa rehnaa
Isse accha pooja karr lo" (Something like that).
Mai bauhato ko jaantaa hoo jo poojaa karte hai doosre ke gharr mai aur saath hi mai Sharaab peekar padaa hotaa hai aaye din.
Toh dharm ko maanwaane se koi guarantee nahi hai ki koi sudharr jaayegaa.
Btw love you videos.
Wo to fir honestly kuch bhi nahi man rha na.
Religious person exactly wo hai jo sari baate mane.
Aaj kal majority ko actual faith nahi hoti.
well first of all, I have to say, as an atheist, loved your content. although there are few things I'd like to put forward, the prime mover argument has long been discussed and rebutted, like why does the prime mover does not have a mover himself? And if can attribute him the property of not needing a "mover", then why can't we just do that with universe and skip the whole step? Also, Science isn't necessarily compatible with the whole prime mover argument, take for example Stephan Hawking's argument, time and space began at the big bang, the idea of a "before the big bang" does not make sense and so there was no time (or space) for a creator to exist in. Next, "the absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence", absolutely agree with William Cowper's quote but in a way you're making a strawman out of most atheist, because most of us don't "believe" or know for a fact that there is no god, because there is just not way to prove that negative yet, but like Russell's tea pot, since there is no evidence for a cosmic tea pot, I simply refuse to live my life as if it exists. Just because you can't prove that the cat did not enter your house does not mean you can blame the cat for the broken vase, specially if you've never seen a cat in your neighborhood. Coming to what you said about bible being a witness or evidence of a god is just plain wrong, you see, bible doesn't just claim that there was a son of a carpenter named Jesus and many people followed and loved his teaching and even got crucified for it, the problem arises when it makes supernatural claims like say walking on water. Think about this, if I write a biography about my grandpa and in one page I write "He made the best fried chicken" and on the other page I write "he'd get his culinary skills by feeding the unicorn he had raised in his backyard", would you say either both has to be write or both has to be wrong? Also, do you think a book similar to a holly book will be counted as an evidence in a court? or will it be thrown out as hearsay? Also, we don't really have to get into the logic/illogic of the stories like Muhammad riding a winged horse and chopping the moon in half or Adam and Eve having a conversation with a snake, do we?
it's not my belief that you'll say something useful that led me here, it's my curiosity and in a way your editor's neat work that brought me here, I don't believe that a car will not hit me if I go for a stroll, that's why I chose to walk on the side walk and look both ways before crossing, I do live and act as if my dreams will come true one day but that's not because I believe or have a blind faith in myself, it's because I've been working towards it and have been progressing, so I have a pretty good reason to believe that unlike a belief in a god. Reason for being afraid of snakes and lizards is not because of a belief that it may hurt if it bites, it's because we know for a fact that it will hurt. So although I do agree there are a lot of things that we believe in (just not your examples), it's not the same as believing in a god. Atoms can be proved and have been proved to exist bro. Plato's allegory of the cave was meant to explain what it was like for him, to not be able to explain his ideas properly to the general public who are happy with their ignorance and are even hostile towards anyone who challenges them, so..
you can't really say religion is as good a belief as any other, simply because the consequences that followed were not the same as any other belief. If someone says, fascism is just as good a belief as any other, would you say he's correct?
You might wanna change the table example, I'm pretty sure the inventers of table didn't build the table first then decided what to be done with it, I'm pretty sure it was the other way round. "sab log common sense use karte toh ladke maar chuke hote", yeaa no, what makes you say that? Finally, I don't think it's the brilliance of the idea that we call religion that has kept it from changing, but let's not get into that, also, religion and rituals has had a lot of changes, like Christianity branching out, religion changing it's views on slavery etc and I don't think not having an upgrade is something to be proud of really.
PS. Let's just ignore the fact that you just demeaned all the Americans for enjoying booze after a good game they enjoy, even though we have uncles here too who enjoy a cool glass of bhang before they dance in Shiv ratri
Triggered atheist in house 😎
@@Romil_un where?
@@Romil_un how so , he was just putting his replay other than filling thee comment section with curse words .
God cannot have a creator because this rule only applies to matter, we’re talking about the immaterial which isn’t bound by space, time and matter
Again you can’t compare Russels teapot with god because one is bound by space time and matter and thus can be proven with telescopes for example and the other one is beyond space time and matter
you talking bout javed to be provocative and still to his ideas but the same is on the other sides spiritual babas who are same provocative and want reactions and followers for thier own . what's the problem if both religion and ethism balance itself and sometimes have h healthy clash . it's not he comes forward to talk about his ideas . the theme of the shows are that only
17 :30 I fully agreed from here .
Javed Akhtar got Richard dawkins award. Richard dawkins is evolutionary biologist. He is the voice of atheism.
Yes
Javed Akhtar dogla hai...btw isne Islam ko criticise kiya hai kabhi? Flat earth se to behtar hi hai hinduism.
@@scooby5478 bahut criticize kia hai islam ko bhi
@@scooby5478 Sabko criticize kiya hai zara research karo.
@@scooby5478 He criticised fatwa, burqa and supported the Supreme Court's decision on Triple Talaq.
Disagree with you....
No matter how much you try, you can't prove existence of God.
Because you too know very well that God doesn't exist.
you noob
You are a typical marxist nibbi.
I have to disagree with prakhar here. Evidence of absence is not the point made here for atheism. What akhtar is saying is religion makes points that is not at all based on evidence. And the religious books cannot be taken as witnesses due to the fact that these were written in tumultuous periods of history where reason wasn't first and foremost
I hope you don’t mind this question but I really need to know who it is in your pfp?
P.s. it’s cool
No disrespect, but if police claims there are drugs hidden in someone's house and takes them into custody without ever finding the substance on the pretext that it might be there, would that be right as well?
If you are comparing with religion, police belives there are drugs ( and they can't be persived or comprehended by brains of mortal man) , you have to prove them wrong because you believe that drug don't exist
Do you really think that we don't have evidence for atoms? I mean what nonsense is this! Do you think that we don't have evidence for photons which are out of our visible spectrum because we can't see them? Well that is why the term evidence is used rather than seeing. This is why scientific literacy is so important especially for the people of philosophy.
I don't know if Shiva exist or not but I love that guy just like I love Iron Man or Batman or Goku...
The Idea of Shiva can bring together great thinkers, but for the idea of Ironman may be some 15 year old nerds
@@Faith_Op Yet no one goes around beheading their sons in the name of Shiva, rather help people and build communities around that story. Strange right!! Can a story of Ironman do that!
These stories lives on not because of their literal meaning dear.
@@Faith_Op You don't need a God on your side to be a terrorist, just ask a BLM Antifa protestor or a Communist in 20th century Russia, almost all of them are atheists. For sure, for you both are same, like for a cat a piece of paper and cash is same.😂😂
@vishwas patel did you just run away😂
@@user-ny7sg9mz1v How can idea of Shiva bring together great thinkers but idea of Iron man cannot?
Bro. Your definition for faith and belief is different from rest of the world
There's a thing called Science.. you should consider studying it. It might help you understand that Atoms do exist...
He is just a narcissist hater
I am an atheist but here the prakhar is absolutely right here
Look inside you also have some believes
But atoms are blind, can't make u in such a organised way..
Prakhar You say you're an atheist yet you say that you're not rejecting the idea that there could be a god, this does not makes you an atheist.
You're more of a Agnostic than atheist. You do put good counterpoints but it just looks like you're just opposing Javed.
Simply put if you say that god does not exist then you're an atheist and if you say that you don't know whether God exist or not then you're definately an Agnostic.
This is probably the first time I am commenting on a RUclips video, & No offence at all, With all due respect If I had to list out all the defects in your reasoning regarding science & religion, I would probably run out of two lifetimes.
ThatGuyOnRUclips ! Happy to be educated.
Communism is itself a state religion. North Korea m religion khud Kim Jong un h 😂😂😂 you have to believe that when he was born the birds sang in Korean. You seem to be confused between religion as divine and state religion. I would suggest you a book 📚 God is not great chapter 17 you'll get all answer.
Don't disagree with your point but we can verify the existence of atom with a electron microscope
I think his point was, that we choose to believe that atoms exist. And 99% of humans don't actually go and double check atoms using an electron microscope.
@@siddhant... , that's true .. But proofs exist, u CAN check em anytime. You can NEVER confirm if god exists.
@@anuj8825 maybe you can, but because you're incompetent hence you can't.
@@siddhantsingh7606 , can you?
@@anuj8825 What does ""INCOMPETENT"" actually mean here ??
are you saying that he has low observation skill ?? OR
are you implying that he doesnt have any SIXTH SENSE to sense/confirm GOD ??
I want to comment on the last portion of the video, I think why religion is a problem today, because the mythological literature available is LITERALLY seen (like did Ram exist?) and very few people dive down to the metaphorical sense or the philosophical meaning of that literature (what can we learn from Ram?)
I agree.
So you mean these are only stories written for moral enrichment and there is not a bit of reality behind it?? 🧐
If it's such then you are right.... 😅😂
But Examining Seeta's Character is not less sinical than checking for ones virginity..
I like the way you gave your perspective without disrespecting others. You being atheist as you said in the video, also gave your view point on theist without being offensive which is admirable. I am learning a lot from your videos. Thanks Prakhar!
Which religion is true how can you say that Hinduism is true and others are fake
Bro, I've been binging on your videos these days.
Great work. Keep it up🙌
Glad you like it! Please spread a word 🤗
@@PrakharkePravachan bhai I am Muslim and I am ur subscriber and religion is very very very important for me aur duniya mein sabse bada Gadha athiest hai kyunki woh khaata peeta aur har cheez karta hai Lekin last mein bolta hai ki duniya automatic ban gaya laanat ho athiest par... Lekin bhai hamara farz yeh hai ki Hamein sahi khuda ko pehchaanna hai har koi ka khuda Alag Alag nahi ho sakta saare qaainaat universe ka Maalik ek hi hai oos jaisa koi nahi woh nirakaar hai aur woh ek hai aur aakhri dam tak sirf oos ek khuda ki hi ibaadat karna chaahiye murti puja Karke oos mahaan shaktishaali ishwar ka apmaan nahi Karein...please ...
@@indianbharti6800 wo ek Shiva hai
@@indianbharti6800 apni nichewali comment padh...
@@indianbharti6800 to yeh bata Khuda kaise bana...
4:39 It's the worst logic to put on to maintain the mysterious image of a divine creator. The burden of proof is on you and not on the person who doesn't care whether there was a cat or not. Also a cat and God parallels are stupid. Here you are only talking about whether a living being come across this house or not, but you do know that this creature exists and can walk and run. But what is it about God (he she it they) we know ? If I say I can't see it, you will say it's invisible, if I say let's throw paint on it you will say it's intangible, if I will say does it responds to prayer you will say yes but in mysterious way...
It's almost like you have convinced yourself to believe in something that has no existence at all, but you are praying to it... How f....d up does this sounds... Burden of proof is on people making extraordinary claims like God
Thank "god" I found your channel
1st point wrong: Belief and faith are closely related but not the same. While they both mean to accept the truth of something, faith involves a stronger sense of commitment and trust than belief
2nd point: There are multiple ways to verify the existence of atoms and molecules, including- Chemical reaction, Mathematical equation, Microscope, Avogadro constant, Brownian motion.
He is making great points in favor of religion’s contribution in society. However his critique of Akhtar’s atheism is blatantly irrational and inconsistent with his own arguments.
Even I thought the same
The burden of proof lies with the religion to provide the existence of a cosmic dictator, not with the atheists. Religion makes a claim, it's the claim is not satisfying enough to believe in God. (The running theme in the equating thing you showed)
*Why people think that theism is unscientific ?*
Atheism often parasitically draws on the prestige of science to take unsuspecting masses away from theism. How? By equating science with scientism.
Science investigates the nature of material reality, specifically its measurable parameters; it is like a map of a territory. Undoubtedly, scientific models are far more sophisticated than maps, still, like maps, scientific models are powerful tools for navigating reality. Yet just as the map is not the territory, scientific models of reality are not the reality. And as science studies only material reality, it can’t tell us anything conclusive about God, who is by definition a non-material being.
Different from science is scientism, which is the ideology that science alone can provide all knowledge. Scientism is actually unscientific because its core claims can’t be scientifically proven. The Bhagavad-gita (18.22) cautions that when we equate one fragment of reality with the totality of reality, as does scientism, our perception is in the mode of ignorance.
Scientism and atheism are natural bedfellows. Many atheists claim that God’s non-existence is a scientific conclusion, while actually it is their own ideological founding assumption that is grafted onto science through scientism. When an ideology claims to not be an ideology and therefore claims universal validity, that’s when it becomes disingenuous.
When competing ideologies such as theism and atheism are studied objectively without any preconceived labels, many of the world’s greatest scientists have found science and theism eminently compatible. French physicist Blaise Pascal put it well: “Little science takes you away from God, but more of it takes you to him.” As long as we equate science with scientism, we stay blind to God; when we free ourselves from the hubris of scientism, we become open to God.
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The ideology that pretends to not be an ideology is often disingenuous - learn to see through atheism’s self-serving misappropriation of science.
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Shallow arguments to prove Mr Akhtar wrong.
You can't disprove something that can't be proved
You have to prove a thing ... To disprove it ...
Its by definition....
Even if you're in the tent of religion you wont be right because religiously correct and morally correct arent always the same. Also religion at best is hundreds of year old writings. These are people who didnt know the earth revolved around the sun or what causes Earthquakes and Tsunamis and therefore resorted to making up silly stories. There isn't any good thing that we get from religion that we cant get from common sense and logic. As a former catholic i can honestly say the most potent tool for converting a catholic to athiesm is to tell him to read the entire bible.
@9:29 : Common sense is an evaluation of a fact according to your instincts - WRONG, Common sense, is the derivative of accepted idea/ commonly held belief according to your instincts, Its NOT fact already, its the sense/idea where many/ commons hold it.
Belief and faith are different, I wonder, How you got it wrong, Science is not belief system, its rational, experimental, logical implication, Faith is again the shared idea/ beliefs as in Hindusim, Islam, Chrisitanity is a faith, because it the same idea shared by many, and its more of emotional and not logical conclusions.
Humans are the combination of rational and irrationality, WE FEEL FIRST(Emotional) then we think later(LOGICAL), because we have evolved that way because we have developed neo cortex - logical thinking later, before cortex (emotional brain).
This is called as ultimate ignorance. There is really no God or bhagwan in any of Hindu scriptures. I have searched it through and through, and have not find any Bhagwan there. There is really no higher power. People just believe a common understanding of God sitting above in all of India.
Morality came before religion, and religion was our ancestors' way of responding to that built-in need. And if that was so, then it was perfectly possible to lead a good life, to have a strong sense of right and wrong, without ever letting God and his harpies into the room.
-Rushdie
But what is the motivation to do good? Please dont say to feel good. Can you build a society with so self centric view of the world.
@@user-ny7sg9mz1v We are evolved to care about others and do good. NO need of a supernatural explanation.
@8:09 Koi tareeka nahi hai verify karne ka? Bro, rutherford's experiment, jj thomson, etc ne kya kiya hai fir? Later on, einstein also did his Planck's constant wala experiment. Ye verify karne ke hi to tareeke hai. These things LOGICALLY verify existence of atom. Plus, in the latest research, a microscope has been constructed which has captured a picture of an atom. So visual proof bhi aa chuka hai ab to.
Wo Jo kehna chah RHA h wo keh RHA h aapne atom cells ki tarah observe nhi Kiya h science usne bhi pda h
Sorry but you're talking illogical 😅 like what you said about atoms....man wtf about that?
Religious books r witness 😄😄😄
What he said towards the end, is BEAUTIFUL!
Pascal's wager has also been easily refuted. And skepticism and rationalism has made me a better person and made me appreciate the world more.
You should watch Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Lawrence Krauss, Danial Dennett, Sam Harris and Ayaan ali Hirsi..
@Vaibhav Baweja it's not pascal it's Pus-Kaal okay?
How are you filling the void though?
Hello brother, the content that I see on your channel compels me to rethink my beliefs and make changes to it. Whenever someone's belief gets challenged, person usually tends to get offend and protective of his/her belief, be that person is theist or atheist. We have to understand that belief is the integral part of a human being and we cannot live without it. We all believe in something in the fear of 'not knowing'. I wish if there would be a possibility to live with the fact of 'not knowing'. Atleast we should all be critical of our beliefs and till the last breath it should get questioned by ourselves, then only the humanity will thrive in a real sense.
@Pyrocinical bull shitt ..
@4:57 Okay! To jab tak evidence nahi milta, till then I can believe in literally anything. I can form my own logic and believe in that then. Why should I follow a religion for that? Let's just say I benefit from 25% hinduism, 40% islam and some sikhism in my life. A few aspects of all religions I take and form a mish mash of my own. Why that is a wrong thing then in many religions? When there is no evidence as you yourself said in your video, then I can literally believe anything. Then I am not following a religion, then I'm following a group of people who believe something to be true. That makes sense for me and I start following them. How do you give that a name of religion then? Why do you say that if I cross my hands, I'm doing a Hindu style prayer? When there is no historical proof of hindus crossing their hands to pray dating very far back in the past, then it is just a cultural thing that I learnt from my parents. How is that an aspect of religion?
Jb tk believe nhi kroge tb tk milega kaisa Einstein ne believe kiya hoga mass aur energy same ho skti tb na unhone discovery ki ....
@@VickyKumar-ie6eu nahi karna na beleive bhai, common sense rationality>> religion
Prakhar you are a well educated guy who believes in god. In Mr Akhtar’s words, “You are Sick” and that’s true.
How do you know "that's true"?? Is it your "belief"???
See what I did there..😂
He said it many times that he is an atheist, and stop generalizing stuff 😂😂😂
Just because you losers don't believe in god doesn't mean everyone should do that.
It is not your fault, the atheism javed akhtar is propounding is too very old. World has grown out of all this debates.
I have to differ here with you on your understanding of faith and believe. Here you are saying that knowing whether God exists or not is same like knowing whether atoms exist or not. That's really a pseudo scientific statement. Brother, with the help of scientific means you can know that atoms exist on microscopic level. The same cannot be said about God.
Secondly you are saying that Quran, Bible ,the old testament and the new testament are present as evidence, but Javed Akhtar refuses to take them as evidence. Can you prove that these Scriptures are actually divine in nature and not the work of Some humans imagination? Just go back in time and look how the world came out dark ages. How the movements of renaissance and age of Enlightenment changed our understanding of the world. I liked some of your podcast where you discussed the work of Nietzsche and his concept of Übermensch. But what you are doing here is utter stupidity.
@Mahi Thakur he gets on my nerves when he makes such pseudo scientific and illogical statements. I mean come on dude ... Make some fucking sense... I don't know what he was smoking when he made this video, but whatever it was , it must have been quite some shit...
Nonetheless I am happy that I am not the only one who pointed out his Stupidity👍
@Mahi Thakur he is the Chetan Bhagat of RUclips 😂...
@Mahi Thakur he is the Chetan Bhagat of RUclips 😂...
3:00 He does say that he does not know and that his belief can be wrong as it is based on logic but faith can never be wrong as it is not based on logic and no you cannot meet God the same way you cannot meet a Pokémon.
Best thing to do is to read scriptures of as many religions are possible. You surpass the God. You are speaking in the context we don't know yet the God might be the truth. But then that time it would be consistent with the rationalism to believe that the God exists. Rationalism doesn't mean fixed ideas like Communism. One of the criticism of Communism is that it extracts it's value system from Abrahmic religions. Lastly what you are referring to was delt with by Nietzsche in Thus spoke Zarathustra. Also pragmatic approach would be to suspend the question if God exists and lead life with whatever lil reason you are equipped with. Ankho Dekhi movie has shown a way how to go about finding that reason for yourself which is more of experiential. Life is fun if you dive in to explore when you have no pre judged ideas, you appreciate the process.
God is portrayed in such contradictory manner.....he is great, he is kind, he forgives and blah blah .....and then if he is such ideal example of kindness and forgiveness, why he doesn't show up.....
Every religion has same elements.....1)there is God or there are many gods
2) there is heaven and there is hell
3) you do good you go to heaven otherwise hell...and God monitors this...
Again if he punishes bad people, how is he forgiving......
Upto this everything looks great......
But then comes religious authority.....who tells you what is good and bad so that you can do only good and get to go to Heaven....
Two things here ...
1) what kind of humanity teaches to do good so that you will get good returns....basically for you to have good returns (heaven), act nicely
2) and if good and bad is defined by men of religion, they definitely manipulate it.....and not one or two...all religious leaders manipulate....thats basic psychology.....Bruce Lee was considered as God of Martial Arts....and he used to give useless advice on filming locations to his followers.......and everyone used to believe in it......so what he was not god of anything.....
And which God tells you to kill animals and eat them.....and particular animals are gods and others are not.....so chicken can be killed without mercy and cow is the only animal who won God's heart?
Following this guys logic what he says towards the end one has to also believe that Varna system has relevance too in the society. Because it has substantially decreased your work as a human being to understand communities and community building... It gives describes your dharma when you are born, so you better be blacksmith Or a carpenter if you are born into one such family so as to avoid existential crisis in future... Lol.. Now please don't give me shit like caste is based on karma
Religious faith is not the same as what people mean when they say they have faith that their partner is loyal. Belief does not = faith.
The absence of evidence CAN be evidence for the absence, if you would expect to find evidence of a thing but don't when you look for it.
At its core, feminism is the belief in full social, economic, and political equality for women.
This is the definition of feminism. It does not say that women are oppressed because men are bad.
Also, where you said communists are rationalist by definition, I think you need to recheck the definitions of those two.
Most ill informed video I have seen recently. Total waste of time.
Totally agree. He's a high caste privileged male, difficult to assume he can be open minded.
The problem with religious people is that they think about god as he is a living thing or a person and they take it granted! Although i am also religious but i know the science behind it or you can say logic and uf you understand that logic you dont have to an atheist you are playing as an atheist and thiest at a same time! The end
I was looking for fauda reviews and suddenly your channel appeared, I initiated to watch this as fun, but now my thumb gone to subscribe your channel. Mind blowing genius. Got Sunil shetty voice kinda stuff 👍🥳
5:47 its not that simple imagine if you had only books on science but kahi apply nahi hota toh? aaj pura world science pe chal raha hai u can see it working around but kabhi god ka chamatkar nahi dekha sirf books hai koi proof nahi hai religion gives culture but existence of god is different.
Started watching your video. Stopped at the point where you claim that 'faith' and 'belief' are the same. It's easy to shoot these 'dissection' videos and make flawed arguments which your followers might accept. But this man has been immersed in this subject for his entire life. And there's a reason he won the Richrad dawkins award for critical thinking. Listen to people like Hitchens, Sam Harris, Dawkins and even Dillahunty to understand the difference between been and faith. Also, the prime mover argument is flawed too. The fact that the prime mover doesn't require a mover means we're indulging in Special pleading. And even if we accept the prime mover argument, it leads us no where even close to a theistic God. It's a hollow claim. Keep researching
In that video of Kunal kamra Yogendra Yadav points were really good........
Nazi Germany used logic?...wow
They were not religious people and used scientific believes of that time to place there own narrative I might be wrong please correct me
They did their logic was "My race is superior (Aryans) " Simple logic
@@stefano1405 Well the did not completely use scientific stuff of that time Hitler you can say didn't understood the text of books he read he didn't understood the philosophy of friedrich nietzsche he didn't understood survival of fittest in a sense he is an example of the proverb "Half Knowledge is dangerous".
Some of the points from Jordan Peterson regarding the problem of void, purpose above oneself, bringing people to some initial moral ground from nothing, helped me to rethink religion.
Especially how the west is replacing Christianity with its new religion of Woke mirroring the same doctrines of Christianity. Like original sin is replaced with 'born with privilege', blasphemy is replaced with being labelled a white supremacist. These things made me rethink religion and spirituality as a means to finding meaning on an individual and group level in an otherwise chaotic and infinite world.
That's how i came across you. Such a breath of fresh air in a world where people's minds have decided truths for them
I disagree with u prakhar... Ur points are illogical, horrible...
How can Religious books r witness?
We can proof atoms exists..
There is difference between faith and idea.. faith can't be questioned,improved...but idea can be questioned...
Science is nothing else but rational thinking...
Watch the video again my friend, he already answered all of those questions.
Somebody is reading too much Jordan Peterson ... Bertrand Russell once said nobody can prove that there is not between the Earth and Mars a china teapot revolving in an elliptical orbit... you just seem like advocating presence of that teapot.
Teapot has nothing to do with the origin of the universe and a bunch of philosophical questions that leads to God.
@@opanpro9772 I don't think you read enough philosophy
China , Russia communist nahi hai 😬
Facebook ka owner / founder zinda hai 😬
CPC kya hain....
Looking at his logical fallacies this guy looks like he must be fan of Jordon Peterson. The most dangerous category because they know how to play with words. And claim to be scientific
You blew this out of proportion by oversimplifying it.
I strongly disagree with you. Just think for yourself.
I strongly agree with your definition of ideology. I was reading one of the books written by Devdutt Pattanaik where he tells that people of ancient India had a pluralist line of thought where an amalgamation of ideas was born.
According to me, the idea of atheism that Javed Akhtar and most of the atheists have are from an Abrahamic POV and this POV has been made a one-fits-all for India, which frankly speaking, is an absurd way of thinking.
Devdutt is pure propaganda,atleast read different views on it,like siddhart malohtra,vivekanda,paramhansh beside it i am atheist
I don't think so...this is your faith or thinking that Javed is from islam that's y said this or that...there r tons of pseudoscience in our Hinduism too....there r tons of things in ayurveda which needs reforms but we r not reforming nd just belivong and arguing west vs East science...
Whoever said, Shraddha se tm v bhagwan se mil sakte ho, wai log ko Mene pucha! tm mile ho? and surprisingly they said no(they broke my heart)
He is the same guy who wrote lyrics of O Paahlanwale from the movie Lagan.
Being and considering yourself as atheist makes you less human, being agnostic makes you appreciate everything in life.
bullshit claim.
Electron microscope ka naam suna hai? No way to verify atoms...
Bro thodi to science padh le. Electron microscope se atom nahi dekh sakte. Use electron microscope isliye kehte hai kyuki wo magnify karne ke liye electrons ka use karti hai.
Atoms are smaller than the wavelength of light.
In Sholey....Javed Akhtar has scripted that there is a Muslim guy with a son living in the village that has a mosque ...now the boy dies ...,and this pious Muslim guy goes to the mosque cause its time for namaaz and he walks away leaving his son's body...cause he is a true Muslim...., all this coming from an atheist like Javed Akhtar ji..
He litterly said
"We have faith About Atoms there are no prooffs. 😂😂"
Are you kidding me 😭😭😂😂
Pascal's wager is a box of fallacy. Pascal's reference to his wager was based on Abrahamic Gods. There are more than 4000 religion in the world. Your chances of being saved is 1/4000 = 0. Imagine being doomed for believing in the wrong god.
"Belief" and "faith" can often be used interchangeably as they refer to a strong conviction or trust in something or someone.
I think Mr. Akhtar has a faith over his sense of belief and rationality.
haha amazing wordplay
13:30, hope we can use religion more constructively in India but unfortunately it isn't being used well.
Brother your arguments have so many holes. Aah. It's hard to listen to.
If you really want see god go and see yourself in mirror.
What Javed Akhtar did is called Strawman Argument.
if u too accept that ur not sure that there is god or not then how can you say that akhtar is wrong? just curious
I agree
Were you referring to Nihilism in the end? There is no final answer to anything. So trying to find a final answer in religion, communism or any ideology, even atheism will fail. If you take prime mover for a ride that creates the problem of a uncaused god. So the only wise thing as humans we can do is to enquire, patiently, meticulously, relentlessly and honestly. Just like a theoretical physicist would do.
If you are good in talking it doesn't mean you will confuse the people. Mr. Javed Akhtar is talking in pertular context and you are giving example which are not related at all.
You have full right to express your views.
As u get richer , less need to believe in God.
Blind faith in ideology isn't a rational line of thinking.. Prakhar you are mixing up individual rationalism with acceptance of prevalent ideas. Communists dictators are no different than religious fanatics.
If an individual follows any idea without rational thinking then he/she is not a rationalist.
Prakhar please try to think in terms of your perspective whether you are rational or not.. that's it. It doesn't matter what an existing idea claims to be.
As far as Mr Akhtar's logic is concerned he is wrong too.
YE kya logic hua ki Tumhare me itni shraddha hai to tum bhi Bhagwan se ja k mil sakte ho. Matlab Prakhar bhai Kuch bhi bolrhe ho😂.
Brother he's just a biggest hypocrite. He will flip his own statements and present.
Maybe, but his point abt atheism is correct.
And that's why he won the Richard Dawkins award of critical thinking. Right?
I Disagree with Javed Akhtar on Religion, God and Atheism| Is there a God?| Kya Bhagwan Hai?
पेरियार की मूर्तियों के नीचे लिखा था- ‘ईश्वर नहीं है और ईश्वर बिलकुल नहीं है।
जिस ने ईश्वर को रचा वह बेवकूफ है, जो ईश्वर का प्रचार करता है वह दुष्ट है और जो ईश्वर की पूजा करता है वह बर्बर है।
ग्रेट पेरियार नायकर के ईश्वर से सवाल :
1. क्या तुम कायर हो जो
हमेशा छिपे रहते हो, कभी किसी के सामने नहीं आते?
2. क्या तुम
खुशामद परस्त हो जो लोगों से दिन रात पूजा, अर्चना करवाते हो?
3.
क्या तुम हमेशा भूखे रहते हो जो लोगों से मिठाई, दूध, घी आदि लेते
रहते हो?
4. क्या तुम मांसाहारी हो जो लोगों से निर्बल पशुओं की
बलि मांगते हो?
5. क्या तुम सोने के व्यापारी हो जो मंदिरों में
लाखों टन सोना दबाये बैठे हो?
6. क्या तुम व्यभिचारी हो जो
मंदिरों में देवदासियां रखते हो ?
7. क्या तुम कमजोर हो जो हर रोज होने वाले बलात्कारों को नही रोक पाते?
8. क्या तुम मूर्ख हो जो विश्व के देशों में गरीबी-भुखमरी होते हुए भी अरबों रुपयों का अन्न, दूध,घी, तेल बिना खाए ही नदी नालों में बहा देते हो?
9. क्या तुम बहरे हो जो बेवजह मरते हुए आदमी, बलात्कार होती हुयी मासूमों की आवाज नहीं सुन पाते?
10. क्या तुम अंधे हो जो रोज अपराध होते हुए नहीं देख पाते?
11. क्या तुम आतंकवादियों से मिले हुए हो जो रोज धर्म के नाम पर लाखों लोगों को मरवाते रहते हो?
12. क्या तुम आतंकवादी हो जो ये चाहते हो कि लोग तुमसे डरकर रहें?
13. क्या तुम गूंगे हो जो एक शब्द नहीं बोल पाते लेकिन करोड़ों लोग तुमसे लाखों सवाल पूछते हैं?
14. क्या तुम भ्रष्टाचारी हो जो गरीबों को कभी कुछ नहीं देते जबकि गरीब पशुवत काम करके कमाये गये पैसे का कतरा-कतरा तुम्हारे ऊपर न्यौछावर कर देते हैं?
15. क्या तुम मुर्ख हो कि हम जैसे नास्तिकों को पैदा किया जो तुम्हे खरी खोटी सुनाते रहते हैं और तुम्हारे अस्तित्व को ही नकारते हैंं?
"कोई भी मूर्ख अपने आप को आसानी से आस्तिक कह सकता है, क्योंकि ईश्वर का अस्तित्व स्वीकार करने के लिये किसी बुध्दिमत्ता की आवश्यकता नहीं पड़ती। लेकिन नास्तिकता के लिये साहस, तर्क और बुध्दि की जरुरत पड़ती है, इसलिये यह स्थिति उन्हीँ लोगो के लिये सम्भव है जिनके पास तर्क, बुध्दि और मानसिक मनोबल की शक्ति हो। अत: नास्तिक वही हो सकता है जिसके पास साहस, आत्मविश्वास, बुध्दि और तर्कशक्ति हो. नास्तिकता ही सत्य की स्थति है और आस्तिकता भ्रम की स्थति है. ईश्वर का कोई अस्तित्व नहीं है. यही सत्य है" ---- पेरियार रामासामी जी
♨क्रांतिकारी आधुनिक विचारक पेरियार ♨
Both of the radical leftists,don't ecpose dark reality of Aasmani cult,but do everything to defame Sanatan Dharma.
The prime mover argument isn’t the best argument of god. Cuz to be the prime mover it doesn’t even have to be sentient. I mean it doesn’t eliminate sentient being but it can’t prove that if it’s a god? God in religious sense obviously. Now you wanna call whatever it was either sentient or not ,god... then...ugh... were you you even looking for god in religious sense or just wanted to call it god no matter the result. Basically have bias . Now of course propbably not all religions have god a moral or sentient being on the top . Just the religions I know.
Your knowledge is all bookish.
Kumar sahab jis Hinduism ke taareef sunkar aap Sandeep maheshwari ji ke andhbhakti me dobe hone ke karan prakhar ke raw or authentic knowledge ko bookish kehe rahe hai na, Wahi Hinduism Aapko Jaatiwad Ka Gulam Banaye Hue Hai kripya Andhbhakti ka virus nikaliye apne under se
@@snowflake8235 May be you are right. I started to feel that Prakhar ji has RAW AND AUTHENTIC KNOWLEDGE, of this world. Prakhar Ji ko Shat Saht Naman ho!
@@VivekKumar-rw6ns sir ye ritual aap apne prophet of BULLYism aka Sandeep maheshwari ke samne kariye🙌🏻