I remember a ad in ENR magazine that we use to laugh at around the office some years ago. They basically wanted Superman: had to be a PE, scuba diver, certified welder......basically a jack of all trades. (As a structural engineer myself I cannot think of one I've ever met that was both a PE & a certified welder.....not to mention scuba diver) Oh, and they also said grad degree preferred. Ok so the last two lines of the ad: 40k/year & no phone calls please. lol I don't think they had to worry about many calls for that one.
Believe it or not, my friend has a two year associates degree in electronics. He applied for a position as a technician at a company near Waco, TX. He went through a series of interviews and passed their tests. He said they offered him $12/hour. This is what they offered somebody with over ten years experience.
Skilled level jobs don't start at $12 an hour. The problem in America is that employers want skilled employees to work for wages that are under the poverty line. Won't work.
With all respect, any time I hear a manufacturer say they can't find people.......what that actually means (translated from corporate speak is): We can't find *cheap* people. I am a engineer, and I see it all the time.
09rja - If someone is willing to pay and train me $12 per hour with benefits, I'd take it, because they are investing in me by training me. They're taking a risk that after training me I'll leave. Unfortunately, I am not good at math as much as I would love to train as a machinist.
And if you're doing a career change and make decent money. You'll never get hired for the entry level job (you're considered overqualified). Even if you got the education required you're not getting hired for some of those skilled jobs either because you have no experience. Which I can understand that, but if I want to get my foot in the door and take a pay cut to learn some of those skills on the job. It's not happening.
Ty Reeves Not only that, most of the companies do not want to pay a dime to train their employees. They are complaining unskilled workers, but they do not want to train them.
+Hans Coessens job: fast food: experience 3 years and cash register experience..but must be 16 at least....because 12 and 13 year olds are going out working at mcdonalds lol
I'm an aircraft electrician out of the Air Force, looking for a job that pays a living wage. $12 an hour is not anywhere close to worth trying. $12 an hour is about 1/3 of what I was getting paid.
Tsuyoshi Shinzato lol couldn't of said better myself. 12$ you couldn't get me out of bed for that price. I'm making 21$ an hour carpenter apprentice non union in az these manufacturers are insane
I worked at a factory exactly like that. It paid close to minimum wage. I think some of the managers mean they can't find enough skilled workers who will work for low wages. I was offered a skilled job outside of my community. Asked what my salary requirements were, I openly requested poverty wages. That was still too much for them to pay. Because the job was slightly outside my community, the fuel cost to commute would have wiped me out!
$12 an hour????? That's a complete joke. They want the taxpayers to train them, and then take taxpayer contracts for profit. What's wrong with this picture???
All that buildup. Extensive training, internships, applying trigonometry on the job. And the culminating offer is $12/hour plus benefits. So anticlimactic.
crazedoutlook US was stupid to allow industry to move overseas, these jobs used to pay decent and many wanted to work as a machinist. It was and still is crucial to the survival of the nation.
12 $ is a joke. I was paid 16 $ an hour, as a cleaning staff in an hospital. I had to do a 3 days training and thats it. That was my student job. I lived in Canada so I don't know, but it's ridiculous to expect grown people to survive on this wage.
Maybe if you freakin' gave unskilled workers a chance and taught them how to work! Then they could work and earn work experience... but they need work experience to work!
There are other places that train job seeker to get experience for those kind of work, the company just doesn't want to pay to train them anymore. Back in the 90s and early 2000s this was unheard cause every employers back then paid train their employees on the spot.
Oh, what a scam! If these so-called employers want qualified people, then they need to do the training themselves. Nobody just magically knows how to do something. He had to begin somewhere.
You need to pay money to get vocational schools to get training. Once you have some experience, then the company will accept you. You cannot expect the companies to train you from scraps because they are afraid that once you get trained, then you will leave the company for its competitors for better financial rewards.
镜云和 Isn’t competition the life’s blood of capitalism? Well if so, then company’s should compete for employees, instead of complaining about gaps and a lack of training they refuse to provide. And they only don’t provide training out of fear of training a person who’ll leave? That sounds like a lack of good management. Management is supposed to work at finding ways to keep employees.
That's the risk of running business. You avert that risk by offering a good work culture, yearly raises that offset inflation, etc. Businesses are not entitled to slaves.
YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD. NOBODY WITH AN ENGINEERING DEGREE EVER SET THEIR MIND TO BE MAKING $60K A YEAR WHEN THEIR FRIENDS AT APPLE OR GOOGLE ARE PULLING IN $130K OR MORE
SRT480 And when those profits come rolling in, instead of doling a bonus here and there to the employees who made them get to that point, they expand and pay shareholders. Wage earners are effectively paid slaves.
Justin Moore the sad reality is our society accepts this, with the cursory thoughts that if you work hard it will pay off, which is amusing and painfully ignorant at the same time. Im 40 and i see this. but people 50 and older as a general rule just think we are whining.
carryclass That, and all the engineers coming out of school have been told they are going to be making millions so they can impress their parents with "what I never had." No matter how much it actually pays, they grow up being told "blue-collar" is a dirty word. :/
I heard the reporter say for 20 workers.. Either way, the reasoning is that the state of Nevada will get the money back in the form of creating new taxpayers...
Notice the guys complaining they can't get enough skilled people they themselves are not doing those jobs all day. They aren't the ones standing all day or at some bench wearing ear protection making some tiny part 8 or 10 hours a day, day in day out
$12/hr is $24,0000.00 per year. That's still poverty when you consider factors such as rent. Even if an apartment cost $1000/month this pay rate eats more than half your income (Pretax dollars too no less) Reality is 480 a week turns into about 350 after taxes. maybe less after deductions for healthcare etc. That in effect would leave about $100/week after paying rent.. Yeah okay.. take your $12/hr job and stuff it..
12 dollar an hour is way too small for that kind of skills. I prefer driving Uber or lyft. No much stress and you have fun all day with different people.. I dont think any graduate should make that kind of money. maybe this documentry was done 30 years ago
But that $12 is in addition to pretty sweet benefits. You can’t imagine the peace that comes from knowing you have insurance and 401-K. I went from a 25-year newspaper career to a GE gas turbine blade factory. Best job change I ever made. I had fun writing the news but it was more fun to feed the family.
$12 is a starting wage. Don't forget they also get benefits. In Nevada it is a start, where the cost of living is less. In California and New York $12 is would not cut it for any length of time.
joeblackakareaper those are entry level.anyone worth his salt will get raises regularly,adapt,learn,be on time. Stop waiting for jobs. Do you want freedom or free stuff the dems promise with no path forward. Wake up. Im not republican!
For some, they use the "skills gap" as an excuse to not hire... Then they can justify offshoring the work to countries like China, close up shop, and become middlemen overnight...From there, they reap the rewards of having little or no overhead that goes with owning a shop or manufacturing facility, yet they can charge the same price as if they made the product in-house...
In the business of perfection yet pay a little above minimum wage. Well of course you aren't going to get quality applicants. I could make the same amount moving boxes in a warehouse. It's idiotic to think that anyone of considerable skill would want to work there for $12/hr.
$12 an hour??? That professor is right; raise the wage and workers will flood in. I would love to quit my high stress financing job for a factory one and actually produce something. But being a skilled worker has cost me money too and have $100k in student loans on top of living expenses. I will go where I earn more, it is not rocket science.
if you think being a construction worker is good pay, in idaho that is, think again..10-12.00 per hour is the max you'll make..most start out at 9-10.00 after taxes and some average around the 11.00 mark..very very few pay more than 13 or 14.00 after taxes.
Couldn't agree more franwex. Henry Ford had issues finding skilled employees.... he doubled their pay and he had employees for life. Its the first rule, and simplest structure of economics SUPPLY AND DEMAND. pay more and you'll have employees. $12 an hour is McDonald's money. Not skilled skilled labor.
The problem is that the technical field just doesn't pay enough for brilliant people to stay. If they are any good they will eventually either move into management, go into engineering, or open their own business. This happened to me as a young avionics technician right out of the airforce. Yes I got hired immediately and my employer was happy with the work that I was doing, but I was only making about the median salary in the U.S. so I became an engineer. I know many others who were great in their respective technical fields that either moved into management, engineering, or started their own business. The guys with the know-how and the problem solving skills required to do technical jobs are also smart enough to know they deserve better in terms of salary.
Remy LeBeau none of you people or yourself are "brilliant". If you racked up all that college debt to have a high stress job when you could have, for example, cleaned buildings, then you are most definitely not brilliant.
When the world market undercuts labor costs it has an impact on US labor costs. Just because the cost of living is different here makes no difference. When a chair maker charges 50$ for a chair and people buy it people assume chairs are only worth 50$. Here in the Us you can barely buy lumber and materials to make a chair for less than 20$ that leaves 30$ for labor. Then people complain about low wages, but shop at IKEA , home Depot, Lowe's, ace hardware, Ashley Furniture, target, Walmart, sears, or the mall. The consumer is rewarding companies that produce low cost products by buying their stuff, at the same time, complaining there are no jobs, yelling corporate greed. I blame the consumer, Detroit did not happen solely because of corporate greed, it happened because the consumer chose Toyota, and Nissan before looking at what their neighbor was making.
you have some valid points but what you are discussing is the long time problem of over production and under employment. When you have increased the ability to make something using very few or very cheap labor. Its like a short term wind. Seems great till everyone is doing it, then you have to do it. Then to compete you have to make the item out of cheaper materials and make it cheaper. its a self defeating process. Add that to the fact what we make now for average consumption is poorly made with obsolescence built into means break neck speeds to make crap for bottom rung pay.
I totally agree. At the same time we loose the craftsmen that know how to make a solid product. But... The consumer constantly and continually rewards this practice. I own a business that makes fishing stuff (nets, paddles, lures) and people scoff at high prices. Well 20$ per hr is 33 cents per min. A worker must produce 3x that to keep the lights on and such (rent, sales, wholesale costs, labor, materials).
it all bsht, you either have to know some body from inside of company, or 5 to 6 year experience. I apply for an entry level and they ask for the cnc certificate and 3 year experience to be qualify. Where you get that 3 year from?? Someone tell me.
Exactly. Companies like this are making millions and yet they pay their technicians very little. Lets face it everyone who is any good will eventually move on.
but wont any place say OT = twice your hourly wage just to get you to sign up..just cause they say you get paid OT doesn't translate to = you actually getting OT lol.. just like a company bonus
I look through the job postings online and in the paper, because I'm tired of mine. When I see the experience and education requirements for these jobs though, my thought is: Where in hell do you get that for entry level?
+allen42b A while ago my friends were sending around an employment ad from a fast food restaurant looking for a manger. One of the requirements was a college degree and they stated they preferred someone with a Masters degree in business or a related field.
+R Feyman to work at a fast food joint making..12 or maybe 13.00 per hour? dont tell me the managers at mcdonalds earn 15-20.00 for standing around looking good lol
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Starting wage for MCDee's is $11.50 /hour in Redwood City Ca. Back in the small town I was from ,a beginning welder makes a little over federal minimum wage.
You're right CPU554 - You'd be hard pressed to find a job under $10-$12 in Minnesota right now. that's starting wage for most waitresses and warehouse workers. key word starting all the CNC machining jobs start at like $15-20 with little to no experience. Even given for inflation.... that company is just being cheap. I was making $12 an hour doing what they were doing 15 years ago not 5 years. I make literally 3x his wage. This is just a prime example of how (like manny) companies today they, want to make millions or billions and pay a Mcdonald's wadge.
if they cant find workers then whos running the companies. its all a lie. there are no jobs. its real bad out there... or theyre hiring through a staffing agency or temp to hire. 31 years old here bachelors criminal justice...buffalo new york
+Su Sang thats what i dont get.....if we have a shortage of nurses then why are we building hospitals all over? heck my city keeps building health places left and right...but then who is working them? same with these skilled job places..shortage of welders??? but what requires welding? pipes? the companies would be screwed if we had a shortage as they insist
"..if we have a shortage of nurses then why are we building hospitals all over?" A local temp agency where I live is now doing the nurse hiring for the hospitals in the area. They pay shit money and crappy benefits. I have gone and talked to a bunch of people who do "Skilled trades", electricians, plumbers, pipefitters. None of them are willing to take on an apprentice even if I were to go to school for 2 years first.
actually, they don't want to pay for higher skilled labor nor do they want to train. they would much prefer that you pay to train their workers while they keep their profits. btw this is the reason for the presidents "you didn't build that" argument during the campaign. companies want the profits but don't want to pay taxes and train their workers. who is left with the bill? the taxpayer! vs 50 years ago when taxes were much higher and companies trained workers even at the expense of profits.
for me as well. I"m finishing up my bachelors degree and leaving the field. For 20 years I"ve been kicked in the teeth and payed jack-squat for most of it. Now with this shortage of qualified candidates the pay has picked up (a lot).... but I know given a chance they'll screw me again.
I am a machinist of 34 years and I’m in the 30$ per hour range. The problem is the company’s now hire at 12$ an hour because they only want operators to run production. And it’s my job to do all the setups and programming. There NOT looking for highly skilled people! That all died when we were introduced to cad (computer aided drafting). Now most people can’t even read g&m codes, including today’s engineers 🤯
I agree brother, I'm a machinist myself; I get paid 22$ an hour being 21 years old. I started when I was 17, had schooling, and good work ethic. The industry is changing , but there is potential in this industry.
toolmaker cnc machinist custom medical implants & surgery tools 42 hr plus 15 hrs o/t 100k job 4 yrs tech school over 35 yrs in trade work part time now in 2023 took retirement & pension learn in small job shops then move to very large aerospace or medical corp.make the money & benefits never out of work ..good video
they get rid of you before you get the 60 thou. they give it to a few and expect you to believe you are going to be one of those guys. but they fire you and get somebody else to do your simple job. The machinist cycle of life.
I worked at a manufacturing plant.. CNC machine I set-up the machine program The Machine ..touch off the tools... $10 $11 an hour.. i was a 15 year employee.... Indiana.... they don't want to pay skilled employees.. if they pay a livable wage.. it will not be hard to find skilled workers.....I started my own business now I make a lot of $$$$$$$
ex, when I was younger and before kids, I worked as a medical biller and records keeper. OK so 16yrs pass kids grow up I go to reapply and NOW I have to have a ton of certificates, at $13,000 just to do admin work in a medical office. who has that kind of cash. Not me.
That guy who says he can't find people should hire lab techs. I ran million dollar machines and did troubleshooting, maintenance, software upgrades, programmed the computer to make it run the tests. We are quality control gurus, but alas, we are mostly women and are NOT getting paid our worth! I started at $12.89/hr in 1996! It took SEVEN years to get to $18/hr!
thank the republicans. this what happens when you get rid of all the regulations and workers rights that unions fought for. stuck with no power and having to consider jobs like this. they always say, get a better job, but there is no better job if this is the new normal.
@dewfish, you are a FOOL if u think its only republicans! It's ALL of them! Is the democrats not have a majority in the house & senate for YEARS? Of course you did! & even if you didn't, there are still Dems & republican up there! They have accomplish their goal and brainwashing you and point of fact what they have done is made you think that one party is different from another when in fact they are like pro wrestling they get angry at each other on television but when this television goes off they go back and eat dinner with each other laugh and have drinks! The little bitty difference is that they do have our minute they both want big government big spending they both want war they both want to make profits they both want to ship jobs overseas you're a complete fool and brainwashed it bad to think that one party has an advantage over the other..you ever heard of lobbying do you know what lobbying is they pay them millions of dollars each one of their representatives millions of dollars to get what the corporations what what do they want what we know what they want they want more for them and less for us and that's exactly what's happening you don't have anybody in Washington DC lobbying for the little guy the Democrats don't work for you the Republicans don't work for you they work for big industry the Coke brothers last year donated $100 million to the Democrat and Republican party just lashed year now what do you think those Republicans and Democrats are going to do work for you donated nothing or work for the Coke brothers that donated hundreds of millions of dollars? I mean this is not hard to figure out bro.. Get away from the TV & figure out HOW THINGS REALLY WORK!! They've fooled you just like MILLIONS in this country! Why do you think a politician only earned $150,000 a year but but when they get out of their terminal up as they're worth millions of dollars...why do you think that is? Are you paying attention to what I'm saying or you just trying to figure out how you can reply back to me and argue with me they make $150,000 a year and walk out of there being worth tens of millions of dollars go figure out who they work for buddy that's your problem! The representatives represent somebody , but that somebody is not YOU or ME!! Hello!!!
You, truck drivers, warehousemen, mechanics, tradesmen... Someone higher up always demanding more for less. Those someone's are usually well dressed, well fed and live in soulless houses that are never cold in winter. As for everyone else I don't think they even notice.
i used to make 20 dollars on 1980 working as a cnc machinist now on 2018 they want to pay 10 or 12 dollars an hour we have skilled workers but companies dont want to pay
EMPLOYERS DONT WANT TO TRAIN-thats the problem. you just have to show people how to use the damn machine. the trainee doesnt need to go get a BS to get paid 12/hr.
+3089280288 yes ive seen this i lol every time...if we have a shortage of semi drivers than stores should be seeing empty shelves...lol they are fuller than ever...complete utter bullshit...
The pricks will think truck drivers are expendable if every single diesel tank hauler took a week off ALL AT ONCE. I'd give america four to five days before the shelves started emptying. Btw good luck fueling yer cars or having parts and products shipped to and from the factories.
No college, university, or trade school can provide the exact skills any one company needs. Companies are just going to have to step up to the plate and do whatever fine tune training that is needed to perform the task.
You need to pay money to get vocational schools to get training. Once you have some experience, then the company will accept you. You cannot expect the companies to train you from scraps because they are afraid that once you get trained, then you will leave the company for its competitors for better financial rewards. No one can exactly match the job but fundamental knowledge behind many jobs are the same! The critical part is that you need to learn fundamental knowledge by your own because usually fundamental knowledge is difficult to be learned. For example, piping design and installation is fundamental knowledge for all plumbers, fire sprinkler technicians, or process technicians. Once you understand piping design and installation, then the company can either easily train you to be a plumber, fire sprinkler technician, or process technician. But if you do not the knowledge, then it requires the company to train you for a long period of time, which no one can endure the cost to do this!
When you can't find job and you go to apply at a warehouse job but a week later you get letter respond stating you are "over qualifying " because you either a graduate from college to qualify for low skill job
Skills gap? Just an excuse to import cheap foreign labor where no skills gap exists. My advice to young folks is to stay out of IT as you will be outsourced overseas or done with your career by age 40.
I dont begrudge anyone the opportunity to work . But this is why the field dwindled in the first place. When you are skilled enough to manufacture something from a solid piece of metal that can go on a airplane of tight tolerances that means you have the skill to do well in a more lucrative field.
dewfish EXACTLY. Humans make economic decisions every day and getting a job is one of the biggest ones. They'd rather work at walmart for x amount than at this company and have all the stresses associated with it. Also, If they have obtained those skills, this kind of work is a stepping stone to higher better paying jobs. This is why these jobs cannot find labor because you need an engineering degree for the job.
Ann Boylen i have ran into this before myself. Im a mechanic, and at the time is was spending 200usd on tools through vendors a month. 911 hit and a few months later i was out of work due to sharp decline in work. I took a job as a CDL driver but kept looking for work in my field. Pay went down from 12 to 15 usd an hour to 8 dollars an hour and they requried you had our own tools to include scan tools which can easily run you several thousand dollars. It made no sense, you where literally making less then minimum wage to work in the field by being forced to update and maintain your tools to be employed. Took me 3 years before i could get a mechanics jobs that payed a wage that made it worth my time to be in the field.
SRT480 This is why these companies had to outsource to China. They refuse to pay people a fair wage. They had record profits but where do those profits go; expansion and shareholders. The system treats wage earners as freed slaves.
I am glad to see that this company is willing to train its new-hires to perform the tasks needed to do these jobs. Microsoft and Apple used the skills shortage as an excuse to import workers from Asia on an H1-B visa rather than actually train Americans to work for them. There needs to be more of this kind of cooperation between the private and public sectors to train unemployed workers to fill these positions.
Too bad the investment isn't worth all the time and money spent by applicants and the government. I work at a Walmart and I make $11.00 an hour and I only have been there for a couple months.
***** I wouldn't say that it's not worth the investment. Don't forget that the wage these kids get is a starting pay; with experience, they will make more money and get promotions. May I ask where you live? That may explain why you're making that wage. Also, are you full-time?
+Dennis Nayland Smith I would, as this training they are being offered is being funded with my tax dollars and is unneeded as this can be taught on the job while the pay being offered is not competitive at all. According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, The median and mean hourly pay are between $19-20 dollars an hour with only the lowest 10th percentile being payed at around $12 an hour. That means that pay is evenly distributed throughout and is not being skewed by top earners so a competitive starting wage would be a few dollars more than 12 dollars an hour. The same source also shows that Nevada has one of the lowest location quotients in the country with a range between 0.08-0.4.
I was earning $12 an hour as a grunt on a construction site 10 years ago. Maybe the reason these clowns cant find anyone to work for them is because they wont pay a decent living wage.... just a thought.
Oh really? Machining, Tool and Die, and Mold Making? You expect people to devote themselves to a skill or trade via 5 year apprenticeship while telling them to buy the appropriate measuring tools (first year alone will set you back about $900 - new and used) all just to make only $12 an hour? Blow that out your ass! Ain't nobody gonna crawl through all that shit when you can make the same at Costco after three months and only two weeks of training, and still not get nearly as dirty...This is all bull! Manufacturers are just looking for an excuse to turn into middlemen overnight, and send the work overseas for the cheap labor costs, charge what they did when they still made it in-house, and put the profits in their pockets... Tell it as it is, already!
I worked as a CNC Machinists for about 3 years. During that time, I learned how to setup, tear down, basic programming, and run multiple lathes at once. During this time, I went from using all shop measuring tools, to having an almost complete set of my own. The company would front the money, and pull small amounts of my pay to cover the cost. I started in a small Mid West town at about $9.75 and finished at just over $12. This didnt include any previous training. Everything I learned was OJT.
Yeah what Bullshit is this The dude saying Manufacturing pays well! 12-13 dollars an hour is bullshit you can get that changing oil.... The real problem America has is unlimited unregulated profitability margins for just about every industry! If Mr. CEO of XYZ company and their share holders are not making serious bank! 1st stop is fuck the common employees & if they rebel fire & hire out of country or move the Manufacturing off shore. Lmfao do Trigonometry for 12 bucks! We`re all fucked!
This company has very specific skill requirements. They train people but shouldn't be surprised that they have to train. Job markets always change. It's machinists for a few years, and then it's something else. Also the pay is good for 1980, not today.
Manufacturing doesn't pay well, I'm a skilled worker, certified to weld, do welding inspections and have ran CNC machines and can even program them, however none of these jobs pay. I make more working at the local grocery store and with better benefits
One of the GIANT reasons why there does exist a 'skills gap' - by which I mean a disparity between what the market seeks and what the available trained personnel in any specific field ( ie plumber, electrician, machinist, etc) lies in that the legal system has made apprenticeships a thing of the past. In the old days, an up and coming skilled labor worker could get a chance to apprentice under a master electrician or whatever trade they were interested in, learn the skills, and develop as a skilled worker. Today, if a master electrician were to hire an apprentice, if any single thing were ever wrong in any work they ever did; the master electrician could LOSE EVERYTHING in a lawsuit because he was involved in the kid's education process
Perhaps the problem is we have spent generations telling our youth to go to university, and we’ve placed trade schools at the lower spectrum of society. We don’t need a 4 year degree for most jobs in today’s world. We need more trade schools and it should start during high school. If you want to go onto higher learning, stay the course. If you want a decent paying job with the ability to earn right out of high school, we should complete high school in a trade oriented school. I think that would encourage kids to follow their dreams when they still have the motivation to do so.
There's a ton of guys who have felonies from small drug infractions that are trained or can be trained. In addition lots of guys from Rural America as well.
I'm not surprised, from what's been shown on yt, Mexico = 1/3 - 1/2 $$ wages of the US doing exactly the same job -probably ship the factory's machines there, also lower overheads and cost of living, =profits doubled while keeping the selling price the same. It's happening in many industries.
This is big business with a small shortage of skilled labor try to get some one else to foot the bill for training while overloading the workforce and holding down wages.
Not to mention a resume is not supposed to have complete sentences. It is after all simply a listing of your qualifications, education, and experience. Not an essay.
Exactly, why go into debt getting an engineering degree to work for pennies to make dollars for someone else. And then to thank them at the end of the day for said pennies.
I wish these guys the best of luck. They are willing to work even if it is $12 an hour. They are not asking for a hand out, but for a job. Pride goes a long way. Proud of these type men "working men". God Bless.
Outsourcing is good when the labour doesnt exist but automation is good as far as it can go, productivity comes down to the individual. Investment, skills, tools, tech, all add to productivity.
I am 55 years old when I was 23 years old, I was making 12 dollars an hour working at a machine shop making custom parts for just about anything. How can someone live off this little amount of money?
A lot of job requirements are written looking for someone who is a drop-in replacement for someone who has retired or can no longer work. This is unreasonable.
I agree that wages definitely need looked at to entice tje new workers, however, why can't some sort of apprentice programs be instituted to build the work force. Plus het rid of the computer games.
There are still more job opening that require nothing more than a good mind, an eagerness to learn OJT, or require little more than some trade school time, than jobs that require a 4 year degree. The one thing I noticed, working in a machine shop, was a lack of initiative in learning things outside of what employees are expected to know.
If our public education was not so geared for creating wage slaves, we would have a problem finding employees instead of having under and structural unemployment. We need a system that creates both wage slaves and give some the option to get into the business world creating jobs.
You are paying $12/hr in a high-skill job and you need math skills? Dude, Starbucks is paying $16.50, and not a lot of math needed. Looks like these manufacturing owner needs to do their math. Geeez!
This is basic, you cannot mine people like you do with minerals. You need to train them from green to whatever shape you need them to be. Education is theoretical knowledge, while production specific experience is gained by working. And you ask for a experienced force on the get go, well that is not simply possible. As those who are experienced are handful and are already in a paying job!. And it is a lie when he claimed that people out of collage can't do relative math. Unless you are hiring students from arts and science background.
Hoping for the education system to do the job? Yeah that's going work! Why not offer the potential workers a chance to learn the needed skills? Education systems are not designed to serve the needs of your factory. Be proactive and take matters in your own hands.
why don't the companies provide the training? back in the day, when good times were rolling we had a "telcom valley" in my area. the companies basically funded programs at the Junior College that enabled them to employ the workers they needed.
I am a skilled machinist with all my own tools and can machine any part you can get me a blue print on and can walk in any machine shop and probably get a job but sadly I can make more money turning wrenches couldn't make more than 18.50 an hour in a machine shop
Look this is a joke. U just have to knw where to look. I've made 2500 to 3000 a week doing contract jobs with just a high school diploma. And yes those contracts are in the U.S.. sometimes they come easy and sometimes they don't. I've made 10,000 a month to 12,000 a month. I might be out of work for 5 months or 2 weeks. I've made money most people will never see on just a high school diploma. The jobs are out there.
The problem is not 12 hr it is a 289,000 house with 8000 a year tax. A 160 a month tv bill. A 65 dollar a month phone bill. An education that cost 20, 000 a year for college. 300 dollars a month medical contribution for a family with deductible. Repairs on your car at 1500 a shot sometimes. The government taking over 300 dollar week out of your pay when you work overtime.
The UK has a similar problem it has 8 million unemployed many over skilled for the new jobs available.Whilst school leavers are not been skilled to hi enough standards and migrants don't have the higher levels skills matched for the UK economy. Analysis in the UK shows that one problem is uneven or imperfect economic market for jobs.Whilst employers stand up and whine about lack of skills in the next town the skills exist but have been passed over by a dysfunctional recruiting process based on unskilled agents,discrimination on age,disability or pure unemployed status.Then there is the question of who will fork out the cash for training...the companies or the taxpayer ? This quobble continues and the economy fails.
Pretty much the way it works in the US. Companies are no longer willing to train. They want the gov to subsidize and then when their skills are no longer up to date ,fire them and look for other gov subsidized workers.
This trade is a "dinosaur"trade and they pay per as entry level $9-$10 and if you have 5 years experience then you can make $15-$17 per hour as a Cnc machinist.
This is a really huge issue! I work in manufacturing and we have a hard time finding skilled workers that can work unsupervised. We do try and teach fresh people but out of 10 we try 1 to 2 might be worth continuing to train. It just seems like nobody has any ambition to work! Most just want to make good money the easiest way possible. Becoming a true machinist takes massive discipline, dedication and a lot of patience. If you do not have it in you you never will! Machining is like singing or composing, some of the best are natural at it like if they were born with the skills.
At a factory I work at they have programs that PAY you to go to school for 2 years. Starting pay is $70,000 a year after starting working full time....... I tell all my friends about this opportunity, but it's not fulfilling like social work or teaching. Frankly it's boring, but it has good benefits and pay. The problem I see is that everyone wants to get their dream job rather than a job that pays the bills
Wanted: perfectionists with highly technical skills, strong mathematics skills, and training.
Pay: $12/hour
Yeah. That “gap” is a mystery...
This video was made over a decade ago todays entry level wage for machinist is 15-16 an hour and you can make up to 30-35 an hour.
I remember a ad in ENR magazine that we use to laugh at around the office some years ago. They basically wanted Superman: had to be a PE, scuba diver, certified welder......basically a jack of all trades. (As a structural engineer myself I cannot think of one I've ever met that was both a PE & a certified welder.....not to mention scuba diver) Oh, and they also said grad degree preferred.
Ok so the last two lines of the ad: 40k/year & no phone calls please.
lol I don't think they had to worry about many calls for that one.
Believe it or not, my friend has a two year associates degree in electronics. He applied for a position as a technician at a company near Waco, TX. He went through a series of interviews and passed their tests. He said they offered him $12/hour. This is what they offered somebody with over ten years experience.
@@rustinpierce7269 Yes, until the company needs to cut payroll, then all the employees earning 25+/hr are shown the door. Peasants Revolution!
Such people now become software engineers and data scientists.
Skilled level jobs don't start at $12 an hour. The problem in America is that employers want skilled employees to work for wages that are under the poverty line. Won't work.
these employers have been getting away with there lies for ever ..
It is happening everywere.
People who are skilled are not gonna work for $12.00 per hour.
With all respect, any time I hear a manufacturer say they can't find people.......what that actually means (translated from corporate speak is): We can't find *cheap* people. I am a engineer, and I see it all the time.
09rja - If someone is willing to pay and train me $12 per hour with benefits, I'd take it, because they are investing in me by training me. They're taking a risk that after training me I'll leave. Unfortunately, I am not good at math as much as I would love to train as a machinist.
And if you're doing a career change and make decent money. You'll never get hired for the entry level job (you're considered overqualified). Even if you got the education required you're not getting hired for some of those skilled jobs either because you have no experience. Which I can understand that, but if I want to get my foot in the door and take a pay cut to learn some of those skills on the job. It's not happening.
Hence letting the border be overrun with cheap labor.
exploiter are lairs ... who would have thought
Capitalism realm.
Like every other company, they want you to have a PHD but want to pay you like you work at McDonalds
True haha
Pretty soon it'll be PHD to work at McDonalds.
Ty Reeves .defects are basic education.
$12/hr. LOL That is not a lot of money.
Ty Reeves Not only that, most of the companies do not want to pay a dime to train their employees. They are complaining unskilled workers, but they do not want to train them.
Part of the problem employers hold too high a standard sometimes, and aren't willing to train newcomers.
+Hans Coessens job: fast food: experience 3 years and cash register experience..but must be 16 at least....because 12 and 13 year olds are going out working at mcdonalds lol
I'm an aircraft electrician out of the Air Force, looking for a job that pays a living wage. $12 an hour is not anywhere close to worth trying. $12 an hour is about 1/3 of what I was getting paid.
Matthew Ferguson did you get your A&P license
Use the gi bill...
$12.00?!? It isn't a skills gap they're looking at...it's a sucker's gap they're trying to fill.
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Tsuyoshi Shinzato lol couldn't of said better myself. 12$ you couldn't get me out of bed for that price. I'm making 21$ an hour carpenter apprentice non union in az these manufacturers are insane
I made $12.48 sitting at a desk for 8 hours, minus the education and the labor is probably less stressful than these manufacturer jobs.
Start em at 18 and hour with expectations to reach 30 after 5 years. That factory would be running 24/7.
The main problem is the greed at the top-THE NEVER ENOUGH PHILOSOPHY!
skills gap. it's a pay gap. end of story
I worked at a factory exactly like that. It paid close to minimum wage. I think some of the managers mean they can't find enough skilled workers who will work for low wages. I was offered a skilled job outside of my community. Asked what my salary requirements were, I openly requested poverty wages. That was still too much for them to pay. Because the job was slightly outside my community, the fuel cost to commute would have wiped me out!
$12 an hour????? That's a complete joke. They want the taxpayers to train them, and then take taxpayer contracts for profit.
What's wrong with this picture???
All that buildup. Extensive training, internships, applying trigonometry on the job. And the culminating offer is $12/hour plus benefits. So anticlimactic.
crazedoutlook US was stupid to allow industry to move overseas, these jobs used to pay decent and many wanted to work as a machinist. It was and still is crucial to the survival of the nation.
12 $ is a joke. I was paid 16 $ an hour, as a cleaning staff in an hospital. I had to do a 3 days training and thats it. That was my student job. I lived in Canada so I don't know, but it's ridiculous to expect grown people to survive on this wage.
Canada isn't like the US, though they are starting to act like the US with the environmental destruction going on, which is also ruining our country.
Claudya Hilaire I made 16.25 to spray a hose at a poultry plant in Arkansas. That and I took 2 hours of breaks. I ain't working harder for less money.
16CAD is 12USD.....
so...yeah you were being paid a joke and forgot about conversion\.
you survived just fine
Maybe if you freakin' gave unskilled workers a chance and taught them how to work! Then they could work and earn work experience... but they need work experience to work!
+SensibleGaming need experience for work, but where to work to get experience if needing experience to work lol
There are other places that train job seeker to get experience for those kind of work, the company just doesn't want to pay to train them anymore. Back in the 90s and early 2000s this was unheard cause every employers back then paid train their employees on the spot.
Makes no sense.
Oh, what a scam! If these so-called employers want qualified people, then they need to do the training themselves. Nobody just magically knows how to do something. He had to begin somewhere.
I agree, including the new machines they also bought. No employees would magically know how to set them up or process them unless train.
You need to pay money to get vocational schools to get training. Once you have some experience, then the company will accept you. You cannot expect the companies to train you from scraps because they are afraid that once you get trained, then you will leave the company for its competitors for better financial rewards.
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Isn’t competition the life’s blood of capitalism? Well if so, then company’s should compete for employees, instead of complaining about gaps and a lack of training they refuse to provide. And they only don’t provide training out of fear of training a person who’ll leave? That sounds like a lack of good management. Management is supposed to work at finding ways to keep employees.
OR pay more. They know exactly what to do.
That's the risk of running business. You avert that risk by offering a good work culture, yearly raises that offset inflation, etc.
Businesses are not entitled to slaves.
the issue is not a shortage of labor. the issue is a shortage of cheap labor. these employers want engineers for minimum wage.
YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD. NOBODY WITH AN ENGINEERING DEGREE EVER SET THEIR MIND TO BE MAKING $60K A YEAR WHEN THEIR FRIENDS AT APPLE OR GOOGLE ARE PULLING IN $130K OR MORE
Ann Boylen like all fields you have companies trying cut over head to maintain profits margin by paying shitty pay for a skilled job.
SRT480 And when those profits come rolling in, instead of doling a bonus here and there to the employees who made them get to that point, they expand and pay shareholders. Wage earners are effectively paid slaves.
Justin Moore the sad reality is our society accepts this, with the cursory thoughts that if you work hard it will pay off, which is amusing and painfully ignorant at the same time. Im 40 and i see this. but people 50 and older as a general rule just think we are whining.
carryclass That, and all the engineers coming out of school have been told they are going to be making millions so they can impress their parents with "what I never had." No matter how much it actually pays, they grow up being told "blue-collar" is a dirty word. :/
16 week program... $ 60,000 payed by the tax payers. equals to $12 an hour for two workers. thats crazy.
+Russell Lee they'd be better off saving the taxpayer 60K and sending them both to mcdonalds for 15.00 min. wage lol
I heard the reporter say for 20 workers.. Either way, the reasoning is that the state of Nevada will get the money back in the form of creating new taxpayers...
Notice the guys complaining they can't get enough skilled people they themselves are not doing those jobs all day. They aren't the ones standing all day or at some bench wearing ear protection making some tiny part 8 or 10 hours a day, day in day out
$12/hr is $24,0000.00 per year. That's still poverty when you consider factors such as rent. Even if an apartment cost $1000/month this pay rate eats
more than half your income (Pretax dollars too no less) Reality is 480 a week turns into about 350 after taxes. maybe less after deductions for healthcare etc. That in effect would leave about $100/week after paying rent.. Yeah okay.. take your $12/hr job and stuff it..
steve b but flipping fries comes with free food, and you dont have the safety things to deal with
12 dollar an hour is way too small for that kind of skills. I prefer driving Uber or lyft. No much stress and you have fun all day with different people.. I dont think any graduate should make that kind of money. maybe this documentry was done 30 years ago
Tedious work that barely pays a living wage? That's most manufacturing jobs around here.
totally wrong bud!
That is correct , $12 an hour doesn't pay the bills . TheReaper!
But that $12 is in addition to pretty sweet benefits. You can’t imagine the peace that comes from knowing you have insurance and 401-K. I went from a 25-year newspaper career to a GE gas turbine blade factory. Best job change I ever made. I had fun writing the news but it was more fun to feed the family.
$12 is a starting wage. Don't forget they also get benefits. In Nevada it is a start, where the cost of living is less. In California and New York $12 is would not cut it for any length of time.
joeblackakareaper those are entry level.anyone worth his salt will get raises regularly,adapt,learn,be on time. Stop waiting for jobs. Do you want freedom or free stuff the dems promise with no path forward. Wake up. Im not republican!
Why aren't these companies hiring people and training them.
For some, they use the "skills gap" as an excuse to not hire... Then they can justify offshoring the work to countries like China, close up shop, and become middlemen overnight...From there, they reap the rewards of having little or no overhead that goes with owning a shop or manufacturing facility, yet they can charge the same price as if they made the product in-house...
Because training and background checks cost them money so they want you to come in and go straight to work.
+Crazcompart some companies are told not to hire..but still put they are hiring lol to keep people busy
They pay 30k to train someone and that person immediately leaves to get the nice job at another company. Why should the employer bear that risk?
I have walked into certain places wit a "Now Hiring " sign. I was told tat sing is always up and are not hiring ppl
In the business of perfection yet pay a little above minimum wage. Well of course you aren't going to get quality applicants. I could make the same amount moving boxes in a warehouse. It's idiotic to think that anyone of considerable skill would want to work there for $12/hr.
Actually Less than a warehouse, I make 20 per hour in a warehouse... lol
I hope they go out of business.
Is that the starting wage
The problem is the companies want you to have 30 years of experience and a PhD for minimum-wage entry-level job.
Did you watch this? They had a one year degree and got a job with benefits.
kkknotcool
That’s what they say.
ladistar
That’s the truth.
ladistar yeah it's getting stupid
Or simply gone to trades school
$12 an hour??? That professor is right; raise the wage and workers will flood in. I would love to quit my high stress financing job for a factory one and actually produce something. But being a skilled worker has cost me money too and have $100k in student loans on top of living expenses. I will go where I earn more, it is not rocket science.
+franwex I agree, $ is what matters at the end of the day. Period.
12.00 isn't that great of pay..i make almost that waving at traffic..lol and my business earns more..start wages at 14 or 15.00 you'll get alot more
manufacturing and skilled jobs depend on the field, some pay very well, others not so much due to competition..
if you think being a construction worker is good pay, in idaho that is, think again..10-12.00 per hour is the max you'll make..most start out at 9-10.00 after taxes and some average around the 11.00 mark..very very few pay more than 13 or 14.00 after taxes.
Couldn't agree more franwex.
Henry Ford had issues finding skilled employees.... he doubled their pay and he had employees for life. Its the first rule, and simplest structure of economics SUPPLY AND DEMAND. pay more and you'll have employees.
$12 an hour is McDonald's money. Not skilled skilled labor.
LMAO! These are all Military Industrial Complex jobs! WAR is MONEY!
The problem is that the technical field just doesn't pay enough for brilliant people to stay. If they are any good they will eventually either move into management, go into engineering, or open their own business. This happened to me as a young avionics technician right out of the airforce. Yes I got hired immediately and my employer was happy with the work that I was doing, but I was only making about the median salary in the U.S. so I became an engineer. I know many others who were great in their respective technical fields that either moved into management, engineering, or started their own business. The guys with the know-how and the problem solving skills required to do technical jobs are also smart enough to know they deserve better in terms of salary.
We want you smart enough to do the work but not smart enough to figure out another position....
Remy LeBeau none of you people or yourself are "brilliant". If you racked up all that college debt to have a high stress job when you could have, for example, cleaned buildings, then you are most definitely not brilliant.
$12.00 an hour? he could make more stocking shelves in a grocery store, I hope he isn't planning to buy a house and raise a family.
12 dollars an hour this is a joke.
Here in Brazil are paid on average $ 1.4 per hour.
***** but you have to factor in the cost of living. as well.
When the world market undercuts labor costs it has an impact on US labor costs. Just because the cost of living is different here makes no difference. When a chair maker charges 50$ for a chair and people buy it people assume chairs are only worth 50$. Here in the Us you can barely buy lumber and materials to make a chair for less than 20$ that leaves 30$ for labor. Then people complain about low wages, but shop at IKEA , home Depot, Lowe's, ace hardware, Ashley Furniture, target, Walmart, sears, or the mall. The consumer is rewarding companies that produce low cost products by buying their stuff, at the same time, complaining there are no jobs, yelling corporate greed. I blame the consumer, Detroit did not happen solely because of corporate greed, it happened because the consumer chose Toyota, and Nissan before looking at what their neighbor was making.
you have some valid points but what you are discussing is the long time problem of over production and under employment. When you have increased the ability to make something using very few or very cheap labor. Its like a short term wind. Seems great till everyone is doing it, then you have to do it. Then to compete you have to make the item out of cheaper materials and make it cheaper. its a self defeating process. Add that to the fact what we make now for average consumption is poorly made with obsolescence built into means break neck speeds to make crap for bottom rung pay.
I totally agree. At the same time we loose the craftsmen that know how to make a solid product. But... The consumer constantly and continually rewards this practice. I own a business that makes fishing stuff (nets, paddles, lures) and people scoff at high prices. Well 20$ per hr is 33 cents per min. A worker must produce 3x that to keep the lights on and such (rent, sales, wholesale costs, labor, materials).
it all bsht, you either have to know some body from inside of company, or 5 to 6 year experience. I apply for an entry level and they ask for the cnc certificate and 3 year experience to be qualify. Where you get that 3 year from?? Someone tell me.
its all lies !!!
Only 12 dollars an hour!?
Exactly. Companies like this are making millions and yet they pay their technicians very little. Lets face it everyone who is any good will eventually move on.
+ZaneTheGreat 12 is good still with over time if you dont want over time n0 money
+BLOODYRAINBOW - SFM SOURCE FILMAKER DUDE Not if you actually want to live on your own.
***** no shit!! you need a partner or somone for that.
but wont any place say OT = twice your hourly wage just to get you to sign up..just cause they say you get paid OT doesn't translate to = you actually getting OT lol.. just like a company bonus
I look through the job postings online and in the paper, because I'm tired of mine. When I see the experience and education requirements for these jobs though, my thought is: Where in hell do you get that for entry level?
I know exactly where they expect you to get it from: just stick your hand up your ass and pull it all out. 😎
+allen42b A while ago my friends were sending around an employment ad from a fast food restaurant looking for a manger. One of the requirements was a college degree and they stated they preferred someone with a Masters degree in business or a related field.
+R Feyman to work at a fast food joint making..12 or maybe 13.00 per hour? dont tell me the managers at mcdonalds earn 15-20.00 for standing around looking good lol
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This really funny,they are asking 3/4 years experience for entry level position and wage is $9-$10.
12 bucks per hour after 1 or 2 years of training? 40 hours * $12 /hour = $480.00. I hope they get some big raises in the up and coming months.
here the wage for a McDonald's worker is $15 per hour tradesmen get $35 per hour
You are So right, that is the underlying problem with mfg jobs in america.
Starting wage for MCDee's is $11.50 /hour in Redwood City Ca.
Back in the small town I was from ,a beginning welder makes a little over federal minimum wage.
You're right CPU554 - You'd be hard pressed to find a job under $10-$12 in Minnesota right now. that's starting wage for most waitresses and warehouse workers. key word starting
all the CNC machining jobs start at like $15-20 with little to no experience.
Even given for inflation.... that company is just being cheap. I was making $12 an hour doing what they were doing 15 years ago not 5 years. I make literally 3x his wage.
This is just a prime example of how (like manny) companies today they, want to make millions or billions and pay a Mcdonald's wadge.
I used make more than 12 bucks and hour . . . as a bus boy.
Why would you want to work very hard and then be shit on .There are a few good employers most are not .
if they cant find workers then whos running the companies. its all a lie. there are no jobs. its real bad out there... or theyre hiring through a staffing agency or temp to hire. 31 years old here bachelors criminal justice...buffalo new york
+Su Sang thats what i dont get.....if we have a shortage of nurses then why are we building hospitals all over? heck my city keeps building health places left and right...but then who is working them? same with these skilled job places..shortage of welders??? but what requires welding? pipes? the companies would be screwed if we had a shortage as they insist
"..if we have a shortage of nurses then why are we building hospitals all over?"
A local temp agency where I live is now doing the nurse hiring for the hospitals in the area. They pay shit money and crappy benefits.
I have gone and talked to a bunch of people who do "Skilled trades", electricians, plumbers, pipefitters.
None of them are willing to take on an apprentice even if I were to go to school for 2 years first.
One civilian nurse visited a vet in a VA hospital and fled in tears, calling it ,The Island of Dr. Moreau.
actually, they don't want to pay for higher skilled labor nor do they want to train. they would much prefer that you pay to train their workers while they keep their profits. btw this is the reason for the presidents "you didn't build that" argument during the campaign. companies want the profits but don't want to pay taxes and train their workers. who is left with the bill? the taxpayer! vs 50 years ago when taxes were much higher and companies trained workers even at the expense of profits.
To be honest a lot of the manufacturing jobs around here pay shit. If you want people to come to work for you give them a reason too.
Exactly! I'm leaving the manufacturing industry....
for me as well. I"m finishing up my bachelors degree and leaving the field.
For 20 years I"ve been kicked in the teeth and payed jack-squat for most of it. Now with this shortage of qualified candidates the pay has picked up (a lot).... but I know given a chance they'll screw me again.
Devilmonkey I know what you mean man, it continues to fluctuate with stable job security.
I am a machinist of 34 years and I’m in the 30$ per hour range. The problem is the company’s now hire at 12$ an hour because they only want operators to run production. And it’s my job to do all the setups and programming. There NOT looking for highly skilled people! That all died when we were introduced to cad (computer aided drafting). Now most people can’t even read g&m codes, including today’s engineers 🤯
I agree brother, I'm a machinist myself; I get paid 22$ an hour being 21 years old. I started when I was 17, had schooling, and good work ethic. The industry is changing , but there is potential in this industry.
toolmaker cnc machinist custom medical implants & surgery tools 42 hr plus 15 hrs o/t 100k job 4 yrs tech school over 35 yrs in trade work part time now in 2023 took retirement & pension learn in small job shops then move to very large aerospace or medical corp.make the money & benefits never out of work ..good video
@@rick6582CNCMedicalParts my post was 4yrs ago🤣 now we’re in high demand👍
they get rid of you before you get the 60 thou. they give it to a few and expect you to believe you are going to be one of those guys. but they fire you and get somebody else to do your simple job. The machinist cycle of life.
So true, so true
An engineering degree for a production job?
I took out a student loan to get a degree just in time for a robot to take my job.
I worked at a manufacturing plant.. CNC machine I set-up the machine program The Machine ..touch off the tools... $10 $11 an hour.. i was a 15 year employee.... Indiana.... they don't want to pay skilled employees.. if they pay a livable wage.. it will not be hard to find skilled workers.....I started my own business now I make a lot of $$$$$$$
Making 12 dollars an hour isn't that great when now in 2017 you can easily make 15 dollars an hour delivering pizzas.
ex, when I was younger and before kids, I worked as a medical biller and records keeper. OK so 16yrs pass kids grow up I go to reapply and NOW I have to have a ton of certificates, at $13,000 just to do admin work in a medical office. who has that kind of cash. Not me.
That guy who says he can't find people should hire lab techs. I ran million dollar machines and did troubleshooting, maintenance, software upgrades, programmed the computer to make it run the tests. We are quality control gurus, but alas, we are mostly women and are NOT getting paid our worth! I started at $12.89/hr in 1996! It took SEVEN years to get to $18/hr!
After taxes $12 an hour is $10 an hour still not a living wage.
Machinist have been shit on for the last 40 + years .
thank the republicans. this what happens when you get rid of all the regulations and workers rights that unions fought for. stuck with no power and having to consider jobs like this. they always say, get a better job, but there is no better job if this is the new normal.
@dewfish, you are a FOOL if u think its only republicans! It's ALL of them! Is the democrats not have a majority in the house & senate for YEARS? Of course you did! & even if you didn't, there are still Dems & republican up there! They have accomplish their goal and brainwashing you and point of fact what they have done is made you think that one party is different from another when in fact they are like pro wrestling they get angry at each other on television but when this television goes off they go back and eat dinner with each other laugh and have drinks! The little bitty difference is that they do have our minute they both want big government big spending they both want war they both want to make profits they both want to ship jobs overseas you're a complete fool and brainwashed it bad to think that one party has an advantage over the other..you ever heard of lobbying do you know what lobbying is they pay them millions of dollars each one of their representatives millions of dollars to get what the corporations what what do they want what we know what they want they want more for them and less for us and that's exactly what's happening you don't have anybody in Washington DC lobbying for the little guy the Democrats don't work for you the Republicans don't work for you they work for big industry the Coke brothers last year donated $100 million to the Democrat and Republican party just lashed year now what do you think those Republicans and Democrats are going to do work for you donated nothing or work for the Coke brothers that donated hundreds of millions of dollars? I mean this is not hard to figure out bro.. Get away from the TV & figure out HOW THINGS REALLY WORK!! They've fooled you just like MILLIONS in this country! Why do you think a politician only earned $150,000 a year but but when they get out of their terminal up as they're worth millions of dollars...why do you think that is? Are you paying attention to what I'm saying or you just trying to figure out how you can reply back to me and argue with me they make $150,000 a year and walk out of there being worth tens of millions of dollars go figure out who they work for buddy that's your problem! The representatives represent somebody , but that somebody is not YOU or ME!! Hello!!!
You, truck drivers, warehousemen, mechanics, tradesmen... Someone higher up always demanding more for less. Those someone's are usually well dressed, well fed and live in soulless houses that are never cold in winter. As for everyone else I don't think they even notice.
i used to make 20 dollars on 1980 working as a cnc machinist now on 2018 they want to pay 10 or 12 dollars an hour we have skilled workers but companies dont want to pay
Why are these employers so unable to train people or offer wages that would attract skilled workers?
EMPLOYERS DONT WANT TO TRAIN-thats the problem. you just have to show people how to use the damn machine. the trainee doesnt need to go get a BS to get paid 12/hr.
there's a so called commercial "driver shortage" of 100,000 drivers that won't be filled because they think they are expendable
+3089280288 yes ive seen this i lol every time...if we have a shortage of semi drivers than stores should be seeing empty shelves...lol they are fuller than ever...complete utter bullshit...
The pricks will think truck drivers are expendable if every single diesel tank hauler took a week off ALL AT ONCE. I'd give america four to five days before the shelves started emptying. Btw good luck fueling yer cars or having parts and products shipped to and from the factories.
No college, university, or trade school can provide the exact skills any one company needs. Companies are just going to have to step up to the plate and do whatever fine tune training that is needed to perform the task.
You need to pay money to get vocational schools to get training. Once you have some experience, then the company will accept you. You cannot expect the companies to train you from scraps because they are afraid that once you get trained, then you will leave the company for its competitors for better financial rewards. No one can exactly match the job but fundamental knowledge behind many jobs are the same! The critical part is that you need to learn fundamental knowledge by your own because usually fundamental knowledge is difficult to be learned. For example, piping design and installation is fundamental knowledge for all plumbers, fire sprinkler technicians, or process technicians. Once you understand piping design and installation, then the company can either easily train you to be a plumber, fire sprinkler technician, or process technician. But if you do not the knowledge, then it requires the company to train you for a long period of time, which no one can endure the cost to do this!
I've noticed this in a lot of jobs I've had is that employers who don't have a college degree think that people who do are stupid!
When you can't find job and you go to apply at a warehouse job but a week later you get letter respond stating you are "over qualifying " because you either a graduate from college to qualify for low skill job
Skills gap?
Just an excuse to import cheap foreign labor where no skills gap exists.
My advice to young folks is to stay out of IT as you will be outsourced overseas or done with your career by age 40.
How am I suppose to get a 2 years of experience for these jobs?
I'm a tool and die maker....my first job with with little experience was started out at 16.75
when was that
Wow. A whole $12/ hour job- by the way , that is California minimum wage.
I dont begrudge anyone the opportunity to work . But this is why the field dwindled in the first place. When you are skilled enough to manufacture something from a solid piece of metal that can go on a airplane of tight tolerances that means you have the skill to do well in a more lucrative field.
exactly. They want the skills and experience, but dont want pay for it. Can't have it both ways.
dewfish EXACTLY. Humans make economic decisions every day and getting a job is one of the biggest ones. They'd rather work at walmart for x amount than at this company and have all the stresses associated with it. Also, If they have obtained those skills, this kind of work is a stepping stone to higher better paying jobs. This is why these jobs cannot find labor because you need an engineering degree for the job.
Ann Boylen i have ran into this before myself. Im a mechanic, and at the time is was spending 200usd on tools through vendors a month. 911 hit and a few months later i was out of work due to sharp decline in work. I took a job as a CDL driver but kept looking for work in my field. Pay went down from 12 to 15 usd an hour to 8 dollars an hour and they requried you had our own tools to include scan tools which can easily run you several thousand dollars. It made no sense, you where literally making less then minimum wage to work in the field by being forced to update and maintain your tools to be employed. Took me 3 years before i could get a mechanics jobs that payed a wage that made it worth my time to be in the field.
SRT480 This is why these companies had to outsource to China. They refuse to pay people a fair wage. They had record profits but where do those profits go; expansion and shareholders. The system treats wage earners as freed slaves.
+Ann Boylen And, soon, it will bite them in the ass when they have no one to do these jobs for them.
I am glad to see that this company is willing to train its new-hires to perform the tasks needed to do these jobs. Microsoft and Apple used the skills shortage as an excuse to import workers from Asia on an H1-B visa rather than actually train Americans to work for them. There needs to be more of this kind of cooperation between the private and public sectors to train unemployed workers to fill these positions.
Too bad the investment isn't worth all the time and money spent by applicants and the government.
I work at a Walmart and I make $11.00 an hour and I only have been there for a couple months.
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I wouldn't say that it's not worth the investment. Don't forget that the wage these kids get is a starting pay; with experience, they will make more money and get promotions. May I ask where you live? That may explain why you're making that wage. Also, are you full-time?
+Dennis Nayland Smith I would, as this training they are being offered is being funded with my tax dollars and is unneeded as this can be taught on the job while the pay being offered is not competitive at all.
According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics, The median and mean hourly pay are between $19-20 dollars an hour with only the lowest 10th percentile being payed at around $12 an hour. That means that pay is evenly distributed throughout and is not being skewed by top earners so a competitive starting wage would be a few dollars more than 12 dollars an hour.
The same source also shows that Nevada has one of the lowest location quotients in the country with a range between 0.08-0.4.
+Dennis Nayland Smith And, for your information, I am currently living in Florida right this moment and yes I am full time. At least on paper.
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What is the local minimum wage where you live?
I was earning $12 an hour as a grunt on a construction site 10 years ago.
Maybe the reason these clowns cant find anyone to work for them is because they wont pay a decent living wage.... just a thought.
Oh really? Machining, Tool and Die, and Mold Making? You expect people to devote themselves to a skill or trade via 5 year apprenticeship while telling them to buy the appropriate measuring tools (first year alone will set you back about $900 - new and used) all just to make only $12 an hour? Blow that out your ass! Ain't nobody gonna crawl through all that shit when you can make the same at Costco after three months and only two weeks of training, and still not get nearly as dirty...This is all bull! Manufacturers are just looking for an excuse to turn into middlemen overnight, and send the work overseas for the cheap labor costs, charge what they did when they still made it in-house, and put the profits in their pockets... Tell it as it is, already!
yup, because they can now and no one will stop them. People killed off unions, and politicians killed off tariffs
I worked as a CNC Machinists for about 3 years. During that time, I learned how to setup, tear down, basic programming, and run multiple lathes at once. During this time, I went from using all shop measuring tools, to having an almost complete set of my own. The company would front the money, and pull small amounts of my pay to cover the cost. I started in a small Mid West town at about $9.75 and finished at just over $12. This didnt include any previous training. Everything I learned was OJT.
Yeah what Bullshit is this The dude saying Manufacturing pays well! 12-13 dollars an hour is bullshit you can get that changing oil.... The real problem America has is unlimited unregulated profitability margins for just about every industry! If Mr. CEO of XYZ company and their share holders are not making serious bank! 1st stop is fuck the common employees & if they rebel fire & hire out of country or move the Manufacturing off shore. Lmfao do Trigonometry for 12 bucks! We`re all fucked!
SgtSeth wow you really got raked over the coals wow sorry man
This company has very specific skill requirements. They train people but shouldn't be surprised that they have to train. Job markets always change. It's machinists for a few years, and then it's something else. Also the pay is good for 1980, not today.
3 million isn't alot when you got 10-20 million out of work....
Manufacturing doesn't pay well, I'm a skilled worker, certified to weld, do welding inspections and have ran CNC machines and can even program them, however none of these jobs pay. I make more working at the local grocery store and with better benefits
One of the GIANT reasons why there does exist a 'skills gap' - by which I mean a disparity between what the market seeks and what the available trained personnel in any specific field ( ie plumber, electrician, machinist, etc) lies in that the legal system has made apprenticeships a thing of the past. In the old days, an up and coming skilled labor worker could get a chance to apprentice under a master electrician or whatever trade they were interested in, learn the skills, and develop as a skilled worker. Today, if a master electrician were to hire an apprentice, if any single thing were ever wrong in any work they ever did; the master electrician could LOSE EVERYTHING in a lawsuit because he was involved in the kid's education process
Perhaps the problem is we have spent generations telling our youth to go to university, and we’ve placed trade schools at the lower spectrum of society. We don’t need a 4 year degree for most jobs in today’s world. We need more trade schools and it should start during high school. If you want to go onto higher learning, stay the course. If you want a decent paying job with the ability to earn right out of high school, we should complete high school in a trade oriented school. I think that would encourage kids to follow their dreams when they still have the motivation to do so.
There's a ton of guys who have felonies from small drug infractions that are trained or can be trained. In addition lots of guys from Rural America as well.
Alcoa closed a factory in my town and reopened in Mexico
I'm not surprised, from what's been shown on yt, Mexico = 1/3 - 1/2 $$ wages of the US doing exactly the same job -probably ship the factory's machines there, also lower overheads and cost of living, =profits doubled while keeping the selling price the same. It's happening in many industries.
Oliver Taylor what would you do if you where an owner
@@starloszelson4541 leave it in my country
This is big business with a small shortage of skilled labor try to get some one else to foot the bill for training while overloading the workforce and holding down wages.
if he says people can't put a sentence together properly, then how can they even graduate school.
something's wrong here
Not to mention a resume is not supposed to have complete sentences. It is after all simply a listing of your qualifications, education, and experience. Not an essay.
It's called Social Promotion 😔 many public schools across the U.S. graduate students who are barely qualified to work at McDonald's 😒
So that girl who has an engineering degree works in that factory and operates robots?
Alex programming although watching her sure looked that way.
yeah, and she probably makes "great" money... lmao. Like a whole $12 per hour! what a joke....
Exactly, why go into debt getting an engineering degree to work for pennies to make dollars for someone else. And then to thank them at the end of the day for said pennies.
alot of the issue is employers wont train and they want everything handed to them for a piddly wage
More trade schools !!
I wish these guys the best of luck. They are willing to work even if it is $12 an hour. They are not asking for a hand out, but for a job. Pride goes a long way. Proud of these type men "working men". God Bless.
I heard a radio ad for $10/hour Software Engineer services...avoid IT.
Simple reason why: Market Glut.
Pay more!!!
i wouldnt wipe my ass for 12 dollars an hour
If that was the only thing I had to do, I would.
Outsourcing is good when the labour doesnt exist but automation is good as far as it can go, productivity comes down to the individual. Investment, skills, tools, tech, all add to productivity.
This is how the military does business - they test for aptitude, then train their own people.
Like I said: employers don't want employees they want slaves.
$12 per hour for a critical skill set? That’s not a living wage. Walmart pays that kind of money.
I am 55 years old when I was 23 years old, I was making 12 dollars an hour working at a machine shop making custom parts for just about anything. How can someone live off this little amount of money?
A lot of job requirements are written looking for someone who is a drop-in replacement for someone who has retired or can no longer work. This is unreasonable.
They want the experience but not the wage payout. After the expertise leaves, they finally find out what they were paying for, but it's too late then.
I agree that wages definitely need looked at to entice tje new workers, however, why can't some sort of apprentice programs be instituted to build the work force. Plus het rid of the computer games.
12 bucks an HR for skilled labor is crap . No wonder he can't fill the jobs
There are still more job opening that require nothing more than a good mind, an eagerness to learn OJT, or require little more than some trade school time, than jobs that require a 4 year degree.
The one thing I noticed, working in a machine shop, was a lack of initiative in learning things outside of what employees are expected to know.
If our public education was not so geared for creating wage slaves, we would have a problem finding employees instead of having under and structural unemployment. We need a system that creates both wage slaves and give some the option to get into the business world creating jobs.
Companies should actively target Vets! They turn up on time, attention to detail and have an ability to learn new skills.
You are paying $12/hr in a high-skill job and you need math skills? Dude, Starbucks is paying $16.50, and not a lot of math needed. Looks like these manufacturing owner needs to do their math. Geeez!
This is basic, you cannot mine people like you do with minerals. You need to train them from green to whatever shape you need them to be. Education is theoretical knowledge, while production specific experience is gained by working. And you ask for a experienced force on the get go, well that is not simply possible. As those who are experienced are handful and are already in a paying job!.
And it is a lie when he claimed that people out of collage can't do relative math. Unless you are hiring students from arts and science background.
Hoping for the education system to do the job? Yeah that's going work! Why not offer the potential workers a chance to learn the needed skills? Education systems are not designed to serve the needs of your factory. Be proactive and take matters in your own hands.
They(employers) go over everything with a fine tooth comb even for min. wage now.
Because they know they can get away with it.
***** I know. I'm in trade school now & look for extra cash on the side. It's getting worse you need an Armani suit and a degree for $11 now lol
why don't the companies provide the training? back in the day, when good times were rolling we had a "telcom valley" in my area. the companies basically funded programs at the Junior College that enabled them to employ the workers they needed.
Why don't the companies train the employees? Train them and have them sign a contract to keep them around until the investment was worth it.
You ain't going to get good workers motivated to do a decent job for $12 an hour.
I am a skilled machinist with all my own tools and can machine any part you can get me a blue print on and can walk in any machine shop and probably get a job but sadly I can make more money turning wrenches couldn't make more than 18.50 an hour in a machine shop
JackOfAllTrades1972 thats a shame . I can do the same also but at least I get 24$ which still seems low
Look this is a joke. U just have to knw where to look. I've made 2500 to 3000 a week doing contract jobs with just a high school diploma. And yes those contracts are in the U.S.. sometimes they come easy and sometimes they don't. I've made 10,000 a month to 12,000 a month. I might be out of work for 5 months or 2 weeks. I've made money most people will never see on just a high school diploma. The jobs are out there.
We want qualified workers with post high school education for 12$ an hour. Therein lies your problem.
The problem is not 12 hr it is a 289,000 house with 8000 a year tax. A 160 a month tv bill. A 65 dollar a month phone bill. An education that cost 20, 000 a year for college. 300 dollars a month medical contribution for a family with deductible. Repairs on your car at 1500 a shot sometimes. The government taking over 300 dollar week out of your pay when you work overtime.
The UK has a similar problem it has 8 million unemployed many over skilled for the new jobs available.Whilst school leavers are not been skilled to hi enough standards and migrants don't have the higher levels skills matched for the UK economy. Analysis in the UK shows that one problem is uneven or imperfect economic market for jobs.Whilst employers stand up and whine about lack of skills in the next town the skills exist but have been passed over by a dysfunctional recruiting process based on unskilled agents,discrimination on age,disability or pure unemployed status.Then there is the question of who will fork out the cash for training...the companies or the taxpayer ? This quobble continues and the economy fails.
You know s****
Pretty much the way it works in the US.
Companies are no longer willing to train.
They want the gov to subsidize and then when their skills are no longer up to date ,fire them and look for other gov subsidized workers.
This trade is a "dinosaur"trade and they pay per as entry level $9-$10 and if you have 5 years experience then you can make $15-$17 per hour as a Cnc machinist.
we pay our skilled factory workers $25 per hour that is not high at all the minim wage here by law is $15 the us rely is a heartless place.
This is a really huge issue! I work in manufacturing and we have a hard time finding skilled workers that can work unsupervised. We do try and teach fresh people but out of 10 we try 1 to 2 might be worth continuing to train. It just seems like nobody has any ambition to work! Most just want to make good money the easiest way possible. Becoming a true machinist takes massive discipline, dedication and a lot of patience. If you do not have it in you you never will! Machining is like singing or composing, some of the best are natural at it like if they were born with the skills.
At a factory I work at they have programs that PAY you to go to school for 2 years. Starting pay is $70,000 a year after starting working full time....... I tell all my friends about this opportunity, but it's not fulfilling like social work or teaching. Frankly it's boring, but it has good benefits and pay. The problem I see is that everyone wants to get their dream job rather than a job that pays the bills