Eurostar is in major parts a company that is owned by SNCF. And DB is only travelling in cooperation with SNCF and not in competition. DB is allowed to travel to France because SNCF is allowed to travel to Germany and the other way round.
And the TGV Lyria (for services to Switzerland), DB ICE International (for some services to Germany), Eurostar for services to the UK, Belgium and the Netherlands
What would be the point in competing when they’re nationalised operators? Surely they should be collaborating rather than competing on exactly the same routes.
We are talking about 3 big national rail operators. Their routes are clearly profit driven outside of their borders so it’s fine. Meanwhile with smaller national operators like DSB. DB works together with them on their Hamburg to København/Aarhus trains.
Ideally, they would indeed work together and create a big network all across Europe with frequent trains and acceptable prices. In reality, what has happened the last decades is that service levels haven't improved or even gone down. And on the most profitable routes, the state operators have used their monopoly position to gain the biggest possible profit, leading to routes like Barcelona-Madrid, Milan-Rome and Paris-Lyon being overpriced and not meeting demand. What you see now is that, with competition, the prices on these routes have gone down, while service level and frequency have gone up, which is a big win for the traveller and has led to less people choosing to fly, which is a big win anyway.
@@christill I get what you mean and agree. But I honestly do not see that changing quick. So within the current situation, I am for competition on long distances (not on regional lines)
@@jirivalenta6382 yes obviously but he talk about intern train. Trains that stop a lot of time in France such as Lyon, Marseille, Montpellier, Béziers and more for Renfe
I'm a fan of Ouigo. 20€ from Valencia to Madrid, comfortable new carriages, nice seats. My only quibble is the cafe car...the selection of foods is just meh.
@@Urban_Transport_Enthusiast travaille à la SNCF. T'auras peut être un pas très bon salaire mais au moins t'auras des bonnes reducs (attention à ne pas prendre à la légère, j'ai pris un train de nuit aller retour, ça me fait 50€, c'est peu, mais c'est tout de même cher)
Also Eurostar and DB
Eurostar is in major parts a company that is owned by SNCF. And DB is only travelling in cooperation with SNCF and not in competition. DB is allowed to travel to France because SNCF is allowed to travel to Germany and the other way round.
@@allineedisontheground still both are different companies operating in France as Well.
@@allineedisonthegroundisn't france required by the EU to offer equal opportunity to open access operators?
And the TGV Lyria (for services to Switzerland), DB ICE International (for some services to Germany), Eurostar for services to the UK, Belgium and the Netherlands
Japan was the Pioneer in 64 with Shinkansen , then Italy 77 with Dirrettisima and then France in 81 with the TGV.
What would be the point in competing when they’re nationalised operators? Surely they should be collaborating rather than competing on exactly the same routes.
There's no point in that except neoliberamism. The Deutsch Bahn usually collaborates with other state railways like SNCF or SNCB (Belgium)
We are talking about 3 big national rail operators. Their routes are clearly profit driven outside of their borders so it’s fine.
Meanwhile with smaller national operators like DSB. DB works together with them on their Hamburg to København/Aarhus trains.
Ideally, they would indeed work together and create a big network all across Europe with frequent trains and acceptable prices. In reality, what has happened the last decades is that service levels haven't improved or even gone down. And on the most profitable routes, the state operators have used their monopoly position to gain the biggest possible profit, leading to routes like Barcelona-Madrid, Milan-Rome and Paris-Lyon being overpriced and not meeting demand. What you see now is that, with competition, the prices on these routes have gone down, while service level and frequency have gone up, which is a big win for the traveller and has led to less people choosing to fly, which is a big win anyway.
@@Marchanthof But the point is that without neoliberal capitalism, it would be the service, and travellers prioritised 100%.
@@christill I get what you mean and agree. But I honestly do not see that changing quick. So within the current situation, I am for competition on long distances (not on regional lines)
DB goes to Paris and Eurostar do London
@@jirivalenta6382 yes obviously but he talk about intern train. Trains that stop a lot of time in France such as Lyon, Marseille, Montpellier, Béziers and more for Renfe
@@aucunoui8610 well the ICE stops in Strasbourg and goes to Frankfurt
@@jirivalenta6382but that's a cooperation, not a competition. In Return SNCF is allowed to travel to Germany too.
I'm a fan of Ouigo. 20€ from Valencia to Madrid, comfortable new carriages, nice seats. My only quibble is the cafe car...the selection of foods is just meh.
Also TGV Lyria
TGV Lyria is sncf Swiss high speed
Maybe you forgot Thalys (Eurostar)
Un Paris-Marseille pour moi en Inoui: 7€ c'est bon pour vous ? Je peux même l'avoir à 1,70 mais faut pas exagérer
Comment fais-tu ? 👀
@@Urban_Transport_Enthusiast travaille à la SNCF. T'auras peut être un pas très bon salaire mais au moins t'auras des bonnes reducs (attention à ne pas prendre à la légère, j'ai pris un train de nuit aller retour, ça me fait 50€, c'est peu, mais c'est tout de même cher)
What about DB‘s ICEs?! And Thalys or Eurostar?!