The difference between the two is that they use locally grown ingredients. As many have mentioned, it's not a surprise that different countries/regions have similar (or practically the same) thing.
Yeah, but the difference that gets people arguing is the time difference, because technically, you are the inventor if you come up with it first. Even the Koreans (and Japanese) have/had Chinese in their language. Because there is a lot of Chinese influence in Korea and Japan. It wouldn’t be a reach if kimchi is part of the Chinese culture imparted on Korea.
remind me same thing happened to youtuber Ms Shi and Mr He, she made china "kimchi". I love kimchi and her recipe videos, I was shocked. lol. I'm from Malaysia, we always arguing about these similar stuffs with Indonesian or Singaporean, relatable. 😂
Not to mention the so called “records” they have are a high chance of actually being the Koreans bc back in the days Korean didn’t exist so they used the Chinese language
@@imthecoolest50this is true and also false. Korean language is similar to japanese but not to Chinese and if you ask a linguists they will tell you the korean language is not like Chinese language at all bc of there are bigger influences of mongolian culture. This is why Koreans despise this idea of Chinese people looking at Koreans like we are a subtribe of China because we can’t relate to them, yet they keep gaslighting that we are? It’s like the state virginia saying texas and florida are all technically Virginians. Even though a good part if Florida is a mix of Hispanics, retired northerners. 🤷♀️ it’s the obnoxious attitude that pisses people off
Liziqi made me wonder if such a life or a human exist, where she can do it all. I was so mesmerised by her that i convinced all my family members to watch her and my mom got hooked. Lol
her fame probably came with a price. rumor has it that her fans found her home or the video location and stalked her 24 hours so she had to fence her mother's house with high bamboo walls... which can be seen on her later videos.
My bestie eats only chimchi (made of Russian cabbage) and I can see her eyes fire with rage every time I forget and call it kimchi. She is the calmest, non-emotional, most rational person I know. So yeah, I don’t joke around with kimchi
I’m German. We’re also quite well known for a fermented cabbage dish. So much so, that the German word for “sour cabbage“ even became the international name for this dish: Sauerkraut. The process of fermented cabbage didn’t originate in Germany though. It wasn’t a German idea. It’s a technique, that’s inspired many dishes all around (especially Eastern) Europe. Cause the technique most likely came from China and was brought to Europe by the Mongolians. Even though the German Sauerkraut is more famous globally, I’d never start beef with someone from Ukraine/Hungary/… cause they use fermented white cabbage in a dish and call it a traditional national dish. That’s kinda childish…
But the problem is koreas been always a weaker country so china and japan have a history of stealing or like taking over a lot of things from korea. But now koreas not that weak anymore but they still try to do that ig pride??
@@kozumekenma9157you do know that almost all of Korean and Japanese culture are from/inspired by China they just locally modified it, also historically china has been there longer than Japan and korea
@secretive_plotter1864 idk if u read that comment but the same thing can be said vise versa. Korea China Japan all influenced each other for example some characters in chinese was influenced from korea. But u don't see them saying Chinese is theirs. However China has this mindset where everything originated from China therefore everything belongs to them. For example China has lots of traditional clothes. Korea has one. China wore specifically koreas traditional clothes in the olympics saying since there are chinese people with Korean blood the hanbok also belongs to them. See how flawed ur logic is? Everything in the world is influenced by other things but that doesn't mean u can just say its urs. Especially if ur country in the past has stole and colonized the other. Imagine it's like white people stealing black peoples culture and saying oh well it was influenced by us or saying oh well we all technically originate from Africa so what's urs is mine like that's not how it works
@@kozumekenma9157 how did Korean language influence Chinese language if Chinese is first? , also fyi Korean is definitely more popular and there's more people claiming Chinese things as Korean rather than Korean things as Chinese
The word kimchi is korean dumbass. Their talking about cai something which is a different dish. That is kimchi and china btw has had a history of snidely using korean things and saying its their's or stealing it when korea was a poor country so ifc theyd be upset.
@tamere520 maybe cuz china always tries to steal things and say it's theirs like yk Taiwan Singapore Hong Kong. They just can't handle the fact that koreas a powerful country and won't take anymore of their shit
@tamere520 Korea and China fight all the time it dates to historic times. Korea and China also has beef with Japan. You'll see Japan as the villain in a lot of their web novels.
This is so funny, its like arguing abt curry. Theres indian curry, Japanese curry, jamaican curry n more..imagine if an argument was started over curry 💀
There's no argument because Japanese, Jamaican, and Indian are cool people. They won't die on that hill. Meanwhile, China thinks every single culture, food, clothes and island belongs to them. Greedy as fuq
@@mayathedreamgirl1357Well yes, but it did originate there, the other versions being adaptations, unlike kimchi that can be claimed by both China & Korea ig
But curry comes from an Indian word. So you may have variations on the curry but the original curry came from India.. you just slapped on the curry to a local dish that looked like an Indian one
Korean netizens being upset about liziqi making pao cai is laughable to me. I've had both kimchi and pao cai and they might look similar but they taste completely different. They don't even use the same seasoning. It's like Thai curry vs Indian curry vs Japanese curry. Same concept, different ingredients.
With all due respect what liziqi was making was NOT paocai. Paocai is PICKLEDA CABBAGES/VEGETABLES. Kimchi is FERMENTED. The whole process of liziqi making "paocai" is literally a kimchi recipe. Paocai and Kimchi have little to no simularities and they don't look similar.
Ms. Shi (from Ms. Shi and Mr. He) was also harassed for sharing a recipe for chinese kimchi (pao cai). Ms. Shi told them to "shut the fuck up" in the nicest, most polite way possible too lol. People are so ignorant it makes me embarrassed for them.
I'm American, so I don't know much. But I know Chili peppers originated in the Americas, so did chili arrive in China or Korea first? And then where is the cabbage used originally from?
Yes but no... Kimchi isn't that old. And Korea and chinas borders are geographically separated (not exactly like how the countries are but close enough)... She made Kimchi not the cabbage dish she was labeling at.
I've tried both the chinese and the Korean version and I can tell you they're different in taste, if you have a very precise taste pallet u can tell the difference as the korean one is saltiers sour and spicy the chinese one is spicy sour and sweet.
yes yes and the kimchi i bought from a chinese shop in japan is SOOOO good its mildly sour and spicy but the sweetness?? i havent tried the chinese version but that’s the closest i have tried to the chinese version. i always thought its because japan’s vegetables are sweet but maybe this confirmed it.
@@andernatureduh? Kimchi is literally a korean word. In Chinese we call it 泡菜 which doesn’t have exactly the same taste but is still basically fermented cabbage
I mean china has a type of fermented dish called 四川泡菜which translates to sichuan fermented cabbage and it is definitely diatonic from kimchi so this sort of persecution is kinda pointless
Yup, when I lived in Chengdu I would have it with hotpot meat and rice to keep a mixture of flavour. The dish itself without spice comes from the slaves who had to build the great wall, it was preserved after the crops would sprout from the winter season it could last a few hundred years which isbwhy it was perfect for the climate up north, then chilli spice was introduced to China; specifically the South East region where spicy baicai was created. Giving it the red colour instead of white/yellow tint
Historically, the chinese have thousands of years of history and have made pickled products for far longer than Korea. Just because it is a dish that is predominant in Korean history and culture, does not mean Korea is its originator-a common misconception. Though, Korea’s “kimchi” and the emergence of Korean culture, music, and cuisine on a global platform has brought more attention to pickled cabbage. She does not have to claim she’s making Kimchi because pickled cabbage originated elsewhere.
It's like 400 years later America claim pizza was invented by Americans. Then we come along and say we know pizza is an American food but it actually originated from Italy....... Then the Americans just freaks out about it and call me a bully for disagreeing with them.
@p46709394 tomatoes aren't native to Italy they south America in origin so pizza as we know it is vastly different than whatever Italy was making which was actually flat bread with toppings which every culture has :3
lol… all I’m gonna say is the Chinese word for hand pulled noodles 拉面 sounds like “la mian”🍜… the Japanese call it into “ramen”, even the Uzbeks/other central im Asians have “lagman” and the Koreans have “myun” 😂 it ain’t rocket science
Girl, everybody knows ramen is Chinese. The Japanese know it, the Koreans know it. And idk about Korea, but Japan has their own noodles as well - udon and soba.
@@Luigiisaheroyeah, as a central Asian I can confirm - lagman here is more associated with uyghur/western Asians culture and clearly all these ra/la-myun/men/man names originated from the sole Chinese word
You know, as an European I'll say we have many dishes that are reated in country A but spread to countries B, C, D, E, F. But the most important thing that each country has a slightly different variation of the dish so it's not exact same dish technically. And another thing is the significance this dish has in each country. One might create it but it's just another obscure dish among many, but it might be the most important, loved dish in country C. It might be featured in some old folktale or myth, it might have singlehandedly saved them from starvation during a difficult period, it might be central dish in their traditional celebrations or it might be a dish that is just so loved, every single household eats it. So I think it's fair to say Kimchi is Korean as it's much more important to them, where in China it's just some random unimportant dish.
war over what? Over a cabbage which also grows in China and people can do whatever they want with it? Like central Asian and Balkan countries also have many similar dishes and if the Balkan version is tastier then I don’t care that they call it differently than we do, because besides our cuisine there are others
No i agree cuz koreans wouldnt be this distraught over it but compared to china and japan korea has been weaker and smaller in the past so those 2 countries would typically steal a lot of korean well achievements. And to this day they still claim is theirs. Like when china banned bts for saying kimchi is theirs or wore the hanbok to the olympics. Kimchi is korean and chinese people always tries to snidely not respect that.
You’re ignoring the larger context. It’s not just “over cabbage”. It’s about fighting against China making claims to absolutely everything in Korea’s culture. There is definitely influence that dates back thousands of years, but that does not negate Korea evolving things over time into their own unique culture. There is larger historical context of Korea fighting to keep their own cultural identity, especially after being subjected to forced cultural erasure by both the Chinese and by Japanese occupation.
@@jscull143this is such a stupid debate. chinese kimchi (or rather, paocai) is different from korean kimchi. everyone freaked out because the version that got popularised is korean. the crazy thing is she didn't even call it kimchi but people still freaked out. wait till you find out japanese kimchi also exists 💀
I mean, she lives an old style life, right? it looks like she’s preparing it like the Chinese people in those times would. I think it’s definitely different from Korean kimchi
Chinese paocai and korean kimchi are v different tho :) paocai is white in color (resembles sauerkraut) and kimchi is smothered in red. I watched the liziqi video and it was def a recipe for kimchi, not paocai, but it is explainable since she labeled it as yanbien ppl’s food (yanbien region has a lot of koreans residing). So yep, meaningless fight!
@@Sanhospriteyou realize there's more than one version of "paocai"?? Kimchi is called "korean pocai" in chinese. Also not to mention kimchi was literally brought over from china to korea first
@@林T-k5m yup people can't fathom "paocai" is the chinese word equivalent for "pickles" in english and "kimchi" in korean. Many different types of paocai/pickles/kimchi all made differently with different vegetables And people act like the joseon ethic group of china doesn't exist. This could very well be a recipe from the Chinese joseon group, making it still chinese because it started there and not korea.
@@kspade1788or maybe this is because wrong translating? Using "kimchi" more well known outside China. Maybe translator using that word for people understand more and not Pao cai 😅
She used a more general easy to understand English name so what's the issue? If people want kimchi, they search kimchi. If people want pickled cabbages, whether it be spicy or not, they search pickled cabbages. Different market groups, different marketing. No need to fuss over a name of the same dish in a foreign land. They grew up calling the dish differently so they are not wrong. It's like getting angry over a cat's sound. In the West, it's meow. In Japan, it's nya. In Malaysia, it's miao. Give it a break. Food supposed to unite us, not break us apart.
I think people forget just how connected China and Korea were. It probably existed in China first given Napa Cabbage is much more common in China than they wouldve been in Korea. But like leave that debate up to historians
This entire thing is so stupid bc similar/same dishes can be called different things and prepped different/in the same ways. In india, for example, we have a bunch of different names for the same dish such as gol guppa and pani puri. Those both r the same dish but called differently in different regions. This isn’t different in any way and to get so upset for absolutely no reason over someone calling it what they know it as or grew up knowing it as is idiotic.
well you talking about regions inside 1 country they are fighting over it cause its 2 different country and countries sometimes have a deeper issues with each other so you cant expect them to bahave like they are just regions on a single country
@@criauxe the situations r similar tho? She’s literally just describing the damn dish. Nothing wrong with that. And if we really want to get into it then all of us r technically from the continent of Africa. Thats where the first humans came into existence. So lets not get into semantics over immature behavior. All of this is pointless childish bickering.
Well, even with Indians, I see people fighting over which spices are used in which part of India, and who has more authentic dish in many comment sections Just that our PM doesn't get involved because these fights are on a very small level and within the country For China and Korea, of course China has influenced Korea in the past and even ruled over it that's why Koreans get sensitive when dishes which were customised and popularised by Korea are claimed by China as the "original" which may or may not be true
I don't think it should be a debate at all if the tittle just say "spicy Chinese cabbage dish". She didn't even use KIMCHI to describe the dish. So, it can be just a similar dish. I think it can be a debate when she use the term Chinese Kimchi.
@@jack19677 That only works because both of those are idolized by Western societies. It's "cool". Even the word Chinese being in the "English name" is enough to get mass racism and stink outpour. Similarly mass amounts of racism and brainless attacks are done towards anything posted with the word Indian in it or any video or picture with anyone who could remotely be mistaken for what people assume is Indian.
Well, chinese cabbage is another common English name for Napa cabbage. However, if you look at the dish she cooks it's obviously inspired by korean food. The video actually used to have a different name, for some reason the person who runs the youtube channel (not liziqi herself but probably someone who works for her since she's made a video where she directly addresses her youtube audience) changed the title which is what makes me think it was done on purpose to piss of koreans. Around the same time, some chinese people online were even trying to claim the hanbok as chinese, as well as kimchi. This was back when kpop probably peaked, 2021-2022 ish?? So I think these people were just jealous of koreans bcus their culture was "trending."
It's like asking if Kebab is Turkish or Greek. When you are the same country for a long time and exchange culture you are bound to have common dishes and cultural traits. Italy has its own bechamel, croissant, gateaux, because it was under the French domination so they took many food from the french. There is no answer. Probably when China conquered Korea they imported the kimchi to China cause it was useful, maybe it was invented in China after Korea invented it all on its own, whatever. Traditional things are more of a way to create a "national" brand to exclude others to participate in it, rather than a way to accurately share a good thing for humanity. This way, governments can claim their uniqueness so that people can feel part of something bigger. The problem with this is that national branding automatically excludes nuances such as this.
Exactly, l am greek and i was thinking the same thing. My country was colonized for 400 years from the Othman empire, so it is natural we would share some stuff, it belongs to both cultures. If you are in Greece, it is Greek, when you are in turkey, it is Turkish. Once i had a girl telling me her Turkish friend said kebab is from turkey which did annoy me, when you colonise a country and stop her development you don't have the right to say things don't belong to them, we can both share it and stop arguing.
@@anna.owo. ottomans didn't colonize your country ottomans invaded it those are different you had no country until recent so you can not be colonized. No Greeks were slaves to ottomans like africans being to british people. Nobody stopped your development you were already nothing at those times, doing nothing but hiding behind walls of Istanbul. Kebab is not Turkish or Greek, it's an Arabic food originally. Turks took it from Arabs you took it from Turks. You can't even say the word kebab properly and it does not mean anything in your language. Same as you guys were calling it döner and a couple of years ago it suddenly became gyros or whatever. It's arabic darling. You don't have to be so angry like relax. Greeks stole the food we carried all the way from central asian steps to Anatolia which is yoğurt but even i don't get angry as much as you do.
girl nobody is wondering if kebap is greek bc everybody knows it's not💀 kebap is literally the most middle eastern food ever, this could have been a better example if you used baklava or cacık/tzaziki
Lawsuit against her boss (or should I call him her ex boss now?). The boss use her name as a trademark to his product without her consent. Which is against the agreement they made before she signed the contract with him.
Who honestly cares where the dish came from first ? There is so many things to address in this world and we are fighting over spicy cabbage 😂. Um okay.
The thing is korea used to be a weak countru so china cant stand that koreans atent just gonna sit around and let them take everything. The 2 dishes are different but that is kimchi. Bts got banned in china for offhandedly saying kimchi is korean. They even used hanbok in the olympics and said since some people in china have korean blood, basically they were allowed to claim these korean things like wtf foes that even mean
Yea. No one can tell the difference between China Japan Korea, or Pakistani India Bangladesh, yet they fight all the time between each other and there’s lots of tensions. It’s stupid, really, from the outside perspective.
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This is like Guatemala and Mexico. They argue about avocados & the “origin” of tamal. Mexicans say “tamal” doesn’t come from a Mayan word but it’s literally the Maya who invented the dish. The oldest record & depiction has been found in Peten, Guatemala… it’s like a war that never ends. Me personally tamals aren’t Guatemalan nor Mexican because it is a dish that predates those colonial states. It’s indigenous. Many communities outside of Mesoamerica have their own version with different ingredients
Its actually used for all fermented veggies. So with the logic if the argument, it can be seen that SK wants to claim sauerkraut and pickles as korean too, cause they called paocai on China too. Like, its not a unique word, its categorical.
@@ArianaLee7890you missed the point of the comment. They’re saying “chinese” was used to describe the type of cabbage used, as in a dish made with chinese cabbage. Not a chinese dish made with cabbage.
Hey, We go by Mufti Menks Fatwa on that now. Ghanaian jollof is best when eaten in Ghana and Nigerian Jollof is best when eaten in Nigeria. Its settled.
Sometimes two cultures just evolve similarly and come up with an analogous dish with a different name. Another example of this would be Ugali(East African)and Sadza(South African) or schnitzel(German), cutlets(French/Italian), and Katsu(Japanese)
As a Chinese from Southwestern part of china, this is our regional dish. my grandmother fed me this when I was a kid. My grandmother has never tried once any Korean food in her entire life. She learnt this from her grandmother. We keep this habits from generation to generation. Korean Kimchi tastes quite different from ourPaocai , if you get the chance to have a try. It’s like noodles, the Chinese way of boiling noodles are different from Korean and Japanese, you could not say it is from either of the country. It’s meaningless to fight.
in Europe, no one cares. Last week I was in Belgium at an EU international meeting, and started small-talking about apple pie (strudel), blood sausage, goulash etc and literally at least 5 other European countries' citizens present there at the event just nodded, smiled and said they have the same, just under a different name. That was it😂 We moved on to the next topic.
I guess they refuse to get reminded that they were once colonialized by both China and Japan at some point in their dark history. That's why they refuse to admit that their local dishes are somewhat influenced by these countries. To be fair no one "owns" dishes in Asia, because Asia is a melting pot of shared spices and crops. They are normally "known for it" but claiming to be an originator of something ic very debatable because a lot or well known staple spices, crops and even livestock are native somewhere else and were propagated all throughout Asia via trade. (Which is an original form of trade currency before, gold, silver and monetary units)
@@irokimaori6426China DID NOT colonize Korea. Korea was a vassal state and it was a consensual decision from both countries. Why did this happen? Because of japanese pirates attacking both countries borders, but especially Korea due to it being much weaker than the Chinese giant. Hence, the korean royal family signed them up as a vassal state to seek protection from the Chinese military to counterattack the JP. The korean royal family still rules its own country, except yes, they did have to please China too cause nobody's entitled to free prltection from another country with nothing in return. This format is still going in these days btw. If its colonizing, the korean royal family would have been conpletely replaced by chinese royals.
@@ArianaLee7890 if you know, colonization is not just "we've come to take your lands" Colonization takes different forms. Korea being a vassal state to China meant majority of their political power is greatly influenced and controlled by the Chinese empire. They wed Chinese royal members from the extended families to the royalties of Korea to strengthen the foundation of their influence to the Kingdom. They have influenced the country so much that before the great King Sejong gifted his people their own alphabet, all high ranking families, royalty, and high status households were taught to write and read in the old chinese alphabet. Even the royal treasury had to send yearly taxes of gold, silver and goods (and by goods, that includes slaves and women for prostitution) to the envoys of China as tribute. What we all know now as "Joseon" period was not even called that until King Sejong invented the Korean alphabet. They called it "Yi" dynasty. They named it after the last king of Koguryo (now known as NK) Yi Songye, who maintained a close relationship with the Ming Dynasty (of China) Only after King Sejong's fight to give Korea back to it's people and giving them their own alphabet at the cost of his life, did they abandon the term "Yi dynasty" and used "Joseon" You cannot, CANNOT say that Korea was not colonized by China. They did far worse. They invaded old Korea since the 1200s. Since the freaking Yuan dynasty. The only reason they were not completely colonized and the local empire was kept, was because of the tributes that the empire sent to the mainland. Taxes that were placed on the shoulders of the people. And saved the members of the royal family from being extinguished, but killed more of it's people due to worsening poverty. Taxes that were not "for the betterment of the people" but taxes that kept them from being attacked by the troops of the mainland.
What? I've never seen them, food and music only bonds us together. Everywhere I only see both sides appreciating each other because we all love good food lol we were literally the same country not even a century ago😭
Why do Koreans get so offended. Every country has their own version of the dish. It’s also ironic when they literally post videos of the dragon beard candy without always giving credit to Chinese as their own street food and black bean sauce noodles. Those are proven to be Chinese but there are Korean videos where they won’t mention “Chinese” dragon beard candy.💀I’m sure there are others too.
Agree! Like the samgyeopsal reminiscent of Japanese barbecues where they use buckets with charcoal to bbq meat in ancient times. Korea was invaded by Japan but they never say it was influenced by the Japanese.
Every group does this tbf, but it does seem like some Knetz in particular get very upset when they think others are stealing Korean dishes because of their history. Still, it’s ridiculous.
A significant amount of korean cuisine is food from other countries (often china) with some regional changes. Like i get thats kinda how food works. Like 80% of 'american' food is just adapted and integrated from other cultures. But its pretty ridiculous how often korea gets up in arms over this, and how much they consider to be 'traditional korean' (naengmyeon, mandu, this list freaking goes on and on). Its like americans trying to claim pizza or burgers.
Maybe it's difficult to determine because part of Ancient Korean was part on mainland China back then. So maybe kimchi was first made by Koreans in that region.
Same with hanbok and hanfu clothing. I commented that the two countries are neighbours and sharing similar clothing history is not a surprise, but they bashed me for "stealing" even though I've tried so hard to carefully choose my words to avoid misunderstanding..
the characters for the Han part of each word is different though. It's easy to mix up because of the lack of accents. 漢服 for hanfu and 韓服 for hanbok. The only character they share is the one used of fu/bok, which means clothing.Also, Koreans and Chinese are not the same people although the two ethnicities do share similar genetic markers, which are also present in Mongolian and Japanese. They may have some common ancestry, in the very dim past, but it would be inaccurate to call them the same people
More nuance. It needs to be carefully assessed rather than just saying "theyre neighbors" cause for both Han and Korean chauvinists, it would automatically mean that one "copied" from the other.
I will never understand the need for people to segregate, instead of finding reasons to get together. Plainly stated, we, as humans, out of wisdom, should be able to find plenty of common ground to bring us closer together, as opposed to finding enough ammunition to segregate us. P.S. 'Nuff said!!! 😊😊😊
There is no such thing as a certain thing in any food. At a time when we are all so universal, how much influence has liziqi had on Koreans to the extent that a person saw a cooked dish and called it our dish and fought over it? This all dramas against her because of her success.🤪 from sri lanka.
Kimchi literally means fermented in both languages, chinese kimchi has a clear brine while korean kimchi, is, you already know. Also maybe the youtuber didn't know what kimchi is.
She knew what it is. She said the recipe is from a chaixianzu friend. Chaoxianzu refers to Chinese Koreans. So, basically chinese citizens/national with korean ethnicity. The word itself is actually the chinese translation for Joseon. There would have been no argument if more people knew what chaoxian zu means. But you see, nobody wanted to back down so more stuff got involved and the whole thing escalated.
@@ArianaLee7890there would still be an argument because Koreans wouldnt recognize chaixian people as Chinese lol, only Han. Nvm that there are 56 ethnicities in China and all of them have an equally valid claim to be there and to be Chinese. I can completely see them use it to say “see? See? It’s a Korean dish”. The fact remains that liziqi wasn’t colonizing or stealing anything. It’s a dish from an ethnic group in China, and they ALL consider themselves Chinese / 中国人。
@@lucyfiniarel2347except multiracial/multiethnic nations like the US never claims foods from other immigrants as theirs. The origin is always mentioned, despite the controversies about them.
@@BrakeCoachAnd LiZiQi never claimed that a Cháoxiǎnzú dish was Han. Her title literally reads «Sour and sweet, a delicacy to warm your wintry days-spicy Chinese cabbage. 温暖一冬的酸甜回味--辣白菜»。 In other words, she isn't referring to any countries or any ethnicities at all in the title. She just referred to the main ingredient, which is Chinese cabbage. If you know your English and know your Chinese, then you know that she simply made a literal translation of her Chinese title into English; because ‘Chinese cabbage’ = 白菜 and ‘spicy’ = 辣。
Peru and Ecuador have some similar dishes too but we don’t fight over ownership. Peruvians call it one thing and we call it another. The way the dish is made is also slightly different and that’s why they taste slightly different too. Dished like that aren’t owned by a specific culture but share. It doesn’t matter who started
I mean there are a lot of "local dishes" that also existed in other cultures. It doesn't have to be inspired by something that "came out first" but I guess some locals were just being adventurous one day and created the dish thru trial and error. Our ancestors didnt have many chances to travel and discover foreign dishes so I think a lot of these "dish origin wars" is pointless.
China use the word pao cai for all fermented veggies no matter where it is from. So, no it was never about the term "kimchi", it was about what the term "pao Cai" should refer to. Then, the two countries govs somehow got into an agreement that a new term for korean kimchi would be created in China's vocab. The term had some of the hardest characters, which led to a massive all korean thing boycott, that ended with the new word removed. This whole thing is ridiculous.
In Korea, we would actually say along the line like “hey, anyone want zhajiangmian? I know the best Chinese restaurant for that” -- just because they ‘act’ like it does not give you right to spread faults rumoured coming from your assumptions… people like you are the reason these kimchi incidents escalate. Tsk tsk tsk
Jjajangmyeon and zhajiangmian are two different things. They are both very very similar cuz one is literally based off of the other. Jjajangmyeon is the Korean ‘ version ‘ of zhajiangmian. Just because you ‘know’ so many Koreans who ‘act’ like zhajiangmian is Korean doesn’t mean that every Korean thinks that. As someone who is Korean, I can assure you that like 98.999% of Koreans know and acknowledge that the original is zhajiangmian and not Jjajangmyeon and that zhajiangmian is Chinese. If you’re going to say something about cultures/traditions/etc, at least be cultured about it, you idiot
That’s not true though…? We literally classify it as “중식“ which is chinese food. Don’t generalize us into one group over what you heard a single person say, who just so inconveniently happened to be korean.
But chinese are right thoooo historically speaking they indeed had it first and like any other dish was deconstructed and re constructed time snd time again. Yes kimchi is korean and chinese also have their version . Gosh everyone is so immature
Food becomes divergent after being in different countries for a long time. Parisians see meat lover's pizza as a monstrosity. Chinese dumplings and the French variety are different. Japanese soy sauce is supposedly different from Chinese ones.
Just because you associate a food with your cultural identity doesn’t mean your culture created it. This is true for many iconic foods across the world. Anybody claiming otherwise is just ignorant. Ramen and gyoza are most closely associated with Japan, but they originated in China. Hamburgers and French fries are most closely associated with the U.S. but they originated in Germany and Belgium respectively. Croissants aren’t French, Fajitas aren’t Mexican, Swedish meatballs originated in Turkey for some reason, the list goes on. No reason to be butthurt about it, you can’t rewrite history.
Kimchi is significant because of the process known as kimjang. Anything that goes through that process is called kimchi. Kimjang is part of Korean culture and Unisco has deemed it as Korean too after extensive records. Chinese kimchi exist but when it goes through the kimjang process, it should be labeled as Korean kimchi.
@@sunbinseo619No. So-called "kimjang" is just pickling. You K-netizens want to claim German kimchi AKA sauerkraut too, because it's pickled? Pathetic! LiZiQi did nothing wrong. Her title stated that she made (and I quote) "spicy Chinese cabbage" and that's exactly what she did - she made a dish from Chinese cabbage that was spicy.
I think the Korean government did data collection in c1995 and found that there were over 350 types of kimchi, so the idea of one type of kimchi is just not true, there are loads of kinds and China has definitely invented some of them
The Philippines has arroz caldo, afritada, brazo de mercedes, etc. and we owe it all to the Spanish culture being under the Spanish regime for 300 years. 😊
Where did she say "hit back"?? She said "speak up". Knowing how China's diplomatic department usually does things I would guess the minister was trying to cool it down
Thinking about it, she probably meant spicy - chinese cabbage - dish, not spicy - chinese - cabbage - dish, since napa cabbage is often called Chinese cabbage in English. Fans were who ran with it.
I've had chinese preserved cabbage. They use cucumbers and real cabbage, not nappa cabbage like the Koreans. Not even the same thing! Even the taste is not the same. Completely different from completely different culture.
The difference between the two is that they use locally grown ingredients. As many have mentioned, it's not a surprise that different countries/regions have similar (or practically the same) thing.
Yeah, but the difference that gets people arguing is the time difference, because technically, you are the inventor if you come up with it first. Even the Koreans (and Japanese) have/had Chinese in their language. Because there is a lot of Chinese influence in Korea and Japan. It wouldn’t be a reach if kimchi is part of the Chinese culture imparted on Korea.
remind me same thing happened to youtuber Ms Shi and Mr He, she made china "kimchi". I love kimchi and her recipe videos, I was shocked. lol.
I'm from Malaysia, we always arguing about these similar stuffs with Indonesian or Singaporean, relatable. 😂
@@lyndiane7899she did explain in another video, that both are different recipes and even explained how
Not to mention the so called “records” they have are a high chance of actually being the Koreans bc back in the days Korean didn’t exist so they used the Chinese language
@@imthecoolest50this is true and also false. Korean language is similar to japanese but not to Chinese and if you ask a linguists they will tell you the korean language is not like Chinese language at all bc of there are bigger influences of mongolian culture. This is why Koreans despise this idea of Chinese people looking at Koreans like we are a subtribe of China because we can’t relate to them, yet they keep gaslighting that we are? It’s like the state virginia saying texas and florida are all technically Virginians. Even though a good part if Florida is a mix of Hispanics, retired northerners. 🤷♀️ it’s the obnoxious attitude that pisses people off
Liziqi made me wonder if such a life or a human exist, where she can do it all. I was so mesmerised by her that i convinced all my family members to watch her and my mom got hooked. Lol
It probably wasn't. It's a whole production crew.
someone didnt watch the video @@sleepyearth
her fame probably came with a price. rumor has it that her fans found her home or the video location and stalked her 24 hours so she had to fence her mother's house with high bamboo walls... which can be seen on her later videos.
OMG! Same I introduced her to my sister's, mom, aunts and my mom's friends. Sad that she is no longer releasing videos
same
this just summed up every food fights between Malaysia and Indonesia😂
Oh god 😂
😂😂😂
Nasi goreng, Nasi lemak, sate and etc (Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand - always argue)
lmaooo
Hahaha true
K-netz never fails to surprise me. They have too much free time lmao
So true
lol exactly
Like How the heck they have so much time
I’m half korean half chinese, one big amazing solution to this is…oh my god. NOT GIVING A SHIT!!! THATS RIGHT!!! WHO EVER THOUGHT???
Korean official literally changed the chinese name from泡菜 to 辛奇. You don't care doesn't mean others don't, bruh.
I couldn't care less
ppl def have too much free time
Probably because of their country's nationalism
😭no fr
So true 😂
@@sleepyearthi understand them but they were over reacting 💀
Na east asians have too much pride and history
"NOT MY LIZIQI"
Seriously why is this so me😂
2k Likes with no comment at all..?!?!
Lemme fix that 💯
@@YourLovelyPersonishere because her name is enough for 2k like, I hope she's come back😢
liziqi hasnt comeback still?
@@ambershen6759 still
I love Liziqi her videos are the best ❤❤❤
😂😂😂 "Do you want to stay together or break up?" (Over Kimchi!!!! 😂)
My bestie eats only chimchi (made of Russian cabbage) and I can see her eyes fire with rage every time I forget and call it kimchi. She is the calmest, non-emotional, most rational person I know. So yeah, I don’t joke around with kimchi
Reminds me of Nigeria and Ghana's Jollof War 😂
I’m German. We’re also quite well known for a fermented cabbage dish. So much so, that the German word for “sour cabbage“ even became the international name for this dish: Sauerkraut.
The process of fermented cabbage didn’t originate in Germany though. It wasn’t a German idea. It’s a technique, that’s inspired many dishes all around (especially Eastern) Europe. Cause the technique most likely came from China and was brought to Europe by the Mongolians.
Even though the German Sauerkraut is more famous globally, I’d never start beef with someone from Ukraine/Hungary/… cause they use fermented white cabbage in a dish and call it a traditional national dish. That’s kinda childish…
Honestly so many countries have so many similar foods it's kinda pointless to argue 😅
But the problem is koreas been always a weaker country so china and japan have a history of stealing or like taking over a lot of things from korea. But now koreas not that weak anymore but they still try to do that ig pride??
@@kozumekenma9157 weird, never heard that being said by any Chinese, did you mix up the meaning of "owned it" with literal "owns it"
@@kozumekenma9157you do know that almost all of Korean and Japanese culture are from/inspired by China they just locally modified it, also historically china has been there longer than Japan and korea
@secretive_plotter1864 idk if u read that comment but the same thing can be said vise versa. Korea China Japan all influenced each other for example some characters in chinese was influenced from korea. But u don't see them saying Chinese is theirs. However China has this mindset where everything originated from China therefore everything belongs to them. For example China has lots of traditional clothes. Korea has one. China wore specifically koreas traditional clothes in the olympics saying since there are chinese people with Korean blood the hanbok also belongs to them. See how flawed ur logic is? Everything in the world is influenced by other things but that doesn't mean u can just say its urs. Especially if ur country in the past has stole and colonized the other. Imagine it's like white people stealing black peoples culture and saying oh well it was influenced by us or saying oh well we all technically originate from Africa so what's urs is mine like that's not how it works
@@kozumekenma9157 how did Korean language influence Chinese language if Chinese is first? , also fyi Korean is definitely more popular and there's more people claiming Chinese things as Korean rather than Korean things as Chinese
chinese kimchi and korean kimchi are very different, i think she has the right to claim chinese kimchi to be chinese 💀
The word kimchi is korean dumbass. Their talking about cai something which is a different dish. That is kimchi and china btw has had a history of snidely using korean things and saying its their's or stealing it when korea was a poor country so ifc theyd be upset.
Right? Why were Koreans even upset?
@tamere520 maybe cuz china always tries to steal things and say it's theirs like yk Taiwan Singapore Hong Kong. They just can't handle the fact that koreas a powerful country and won't take anymore of their shit
@tamere520 Korea and China fight all the time it dates to historic times. Korea and China also has beef with Japan. You'll see Japan as the villain in a lot of their web novels.
@@tmtmtm520 Koreans have lengthy beef with china
This is so funny, its like arguing abt curry. Theres indian curry, Japanese curry, jamaican curry n more..imagine if an argument was started over curry 💀
@@aditisharma6951lmao no
@@aditisharma6951 It is Indian but curry made by those three countries DO NOT taste the same. It's technically not even the same dish at that point.
There's no argument because Japanese, Jamaican, and Indian are cool people. They won't die on that hill. Meanwhile, China thinks every single culture, food, clothes and island belongs to them. Greedy as fuq
@@mayathedreamgirl1357Well yes, but it did originate there, the other versions being adaptations, unlike kimchi that can be claimed by both China & Korea ig
But curry comes from an Indian word. So you may have variations on the curry but the original curry came from India.. you just slapped on the curry to a local dish that looked like an Indian one
I personally support the chinese over this because if its not called kimchi and is made with quite a diff method then its not kimchi
Korean netizens being upset about liziqi making pao cai is laughable to me. I've had both kimchi and pao cai and they might look similar but they taste completely different. They don't even use the same seasoning. It's like Thai curry vs Indian curry vs Japanese curry. Same concept, different ingredients.
With all due respect what liziqi was making was NOT paocai. Paocai is PICKLEDA CABBAGES/VEGETABLES. Kimchi is FERMENTED. The whole process of liziqi making "paocai" is literally a kimchi recipe. Paocai and Kimchi have little to no simularities and they don't look similar.
@@jesin0005 What you're saying is incorrect.
@jesin0005 FYI, the Chinese have sooo many kind of fermented vegetables, unlike Korean only one kimchi.
@@jesin0005China also have red spicy paocai 😅 Koreans just copied it when they were influenced by China in ancient times
Ms. Shi (from Ms. Shi and Mr. He) was also harassed for sharing a recipe for chinese kimchi (pao cai). Ms. Shi told them to "shut the fuck up" in the nicest, most polite way possible too lol. People are so ignorant it makes me embarrassed for them.
Love them❤
They are so iconic
I love them ❤
They are sooo nice .
And she just shared Chinese kimchi recipe 😢
I'm American, so I don't know much. But I know Chili peppers originated in the Americas, so did chili arrive in China or Korea first? And then where is the cabbage used originally from?
Cabbage native in Eurasia
Before introduced of chili peppers pao chai mostly used Sichuan peppers and for kimchi mostly just vinegar @@Laticia1990
Food and the culture around are older than the man-made borders. When will we actually learn this 😢
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Yess!
Yes but no... Kimchi isn't that old. And Korea and chinas borders are geographically separated (not exactly like how the countries are but close enough)... She made Kimchi not the cabbage dish she was labeling at.
I've tried both the chinese and the Korean version and I can tell you they're different in taste, if you have a very precise taste pallet u can tell the difference as the korean one is saltiers sour and spicy the chinese one is spicy sour and sweet.
中国分地区各个地方泡菜味道都有不同都有各个地方特色
yes yes and the kimchi i bought from a chinese shop in japan is SOOOO good its mildly sour and spicy but the sweetness?? i havent tried the chinese version but that’s the closest i have tried to the chinese version. i always thought its because japan’s vegetables are sweet but maybe this confirmed it.
Kimchi is not Chinese; it’s Korean.
@@andernature Person never made the claim that the Chinese one is called Kimchi lol. So nice strawman.
@@andernatureduh? Kimchi is literally a korean word. In Chinese we call it 泡菜 which doesn’t have exactly the same taste but is still basically fermented cabbage
You are such a sweet woman! You have this ability to calm my mind when I have anxiety. Thank you for sharing your life with us❤
China has 5000 years of history, there's bound to have stuff that was made before something similar was made by another country.
Mans got down to priorities 🤣
Man, I miss Liziqi. I hope she posts again someday.
she is back
she's back brah, dont cry now :>
Check her RUclips channel. She's back
I mean china has a type of fermented dish called 四川泡菜which translates to sichuan fermented cabbage and it is definitely diatonic from kimchi so this sort of persecution is kinda pointless
Yup, when I lived in Chengdu I would have it with hotpot meat and rice to keep a mixture of flavour. The dish itself without spice comes from the slaves who had to build the great wall, it was preserved after the crops would sprout from the winter season it could last a few hundred years which isbwhy it was perfect for the climate up north, then chilli spice was introduced to China; specifically the South East region where spicy baicai was created. Giving it the red colour instead of white/yellow tint
oh come on, 四川泡菜 looks so different with Kimchi. the video showed Korean kimchi not 四川泡菜
Not to mention why are we even caring about what it's even called why does that even matter
agreed. it's like when my southeast asian siblings argued about nasi goreng lmao
@@way9883 lol
Historically, the chinese have thousands of years of history and have made pickled products for far longer than Korea. Just because it is a dish that is predominant in Korean history and culture, does not mean Korea is its originator-a common misconception. Though, Korea’s “kimchi” and the emergence of Korean culture, music, and cuisine on a global platform has brought more attention to pickled cabbage. She does not have to claim she’s making Kimchi because pickled cabbage originated elsewhere.
Just like some clueless Indonesian saying that Fried Rice is originated from Indonesia instead of China 😂
It's like 400 years later America claim pizza was invented by Americans.
Then we come along and say we know pizza is an American food but it actually originated from Italy....... Then the Americans just freaks out about it and call me a bully for disagreeing with them.
pickling was probably invented before we evolved to homo sapiens 😂
It's tbh so stupid...because few centuries before we didn't even have borders...idk how modern made countries cry over this
@p46709394 tomatoes aren't native to Italy they south America in origin so pizza as we know it is vastly different than whatever Italy was making which was actually flat bread with toppings which every culture has :3
😂 Reminds me of how we Nigerians and our brothers and sisters from Ghana fight about jollof. 😂
lol… all I’m gonna say is the Chinese word for hand pulled noodles 拉面 sounds like “la mian”🍜… the Japanese call it into “ramen”, even the Uzbeks/other central im Asians have “lagman” and the Koreans have “myun” 😂 it ain’t rocket science
Surprise surprise cultures spread 😮
这些也是中国发明传播到世界各个地方不行因为传播还有他们学习了就否定起源于中国😂
@@FishieFishFoshthats basically what she's saying...she just gave you proof
Girl, everybody knows ramen is Chinese. The Japanese know it, the Koreans know it. And idk about Korea, but Japan has their own noodles as well - udon and soba.
@@Luigiisaheroyeah, as a central Asian I can confirm - lagman here is more associated with uyghur/western Asians culture and clearly all these ra/la-myun/men/man names originated from the sole Chinese word
Two major ingredients in Kimchi are Chinese cabbage and Gochugaru.... Neither of which are native plants to the Korean peninsula.
Oooof the Koreans are gonna come for you 😂
Then you would hear that Hanguk.... and china....
Chili - the magic ingredient from the Americas.
@@pqlasmdhryeiw8lmao okay
You know, as an European I'll say we have many dishes that are reated in country A but spread to countries B, C, D, E, F. But the most important thing that each country has a slightly different variation of the dish so it's not exact same dish technically. And another thing is the significance this dish has in each country. One might create it but it's just another obscure dish among many, but it might be the most important, loved dish in country C. It might be featured in some old folktale or myth, it might have singlehandedly saved them from starvation during a difficult period, it might be central dish in their traditional celebrations or it might be a dish that is just so loved, every single household eats it. So I think it's fair to say Kimchi is Korean as it's much more important to them, where in China it's just some random unimportant dish.
This and some other issues caused LizQui to quit her channel. She literally paved the way for these farm to food channels
Reminds me of the comment war of a British guy claiming superiority in the enjoyment of tea, against a Chinese person.
war over what? Over a cabbage which also grows in China and people can do whatever they want with it? Like central Asian and Balkan countries also have many similar dishes and if the Balkan version is tastier then I don’t care that they call it differently than we do, because besides our cuisine there are others
No i agree cuz koreans wouldnt be this distraught over it but compared to china and japan korea has been weaker and smaller in the past so those 2 countries would typically steal a lot of korean well achievements. And to this day they still claim is theirs. Like when china banned bts for saying kimchi is theirs or wore the hanbok to the olympics. Kimchi is korean and chinese people always tries to snidely not respect that.
You’re ignoring the larger context. It’s not just “over cabbage”. It’s about fighting against China making claims to absolutely everything in Korea’s culture. There is definitely influence that dates back thousands of years, but that does not negate Korea evolving things over time into their own unique culture. There is larger historical context of Korea fighting to keep their own cultural identity, especially after being subjected to forced cultural erasure by both the Chinese and by Japanese occupation.
@@jscull143 this the comments are so ignorant
@@jscull143you should comment this everywhere
@@jscull143this is such a stupid debate. chinese kimchi (or rather, paocai) is different from korean kimchi. everyone freaked out because the version that got popularised is korean. the crazy thing is she didn't even call it kimchi but people still freaked out. wait till you find out japanese kimchi also exists 💀
What a pointless argument💀
Over a cabbage😭
This type of fight is common in East Asia. And you thought western Twitter is toxic
For a country like China that literally steals territories from its neighbors, cultural integrity (including traditional foods) is important.
On God. "Do you wanna breakup or stay together" like Jesus such a childish women
@@jamesverone1244 I'm pretty sure she was just being sarcastic about that and said that jokingly
I mean, she lives an old style life, right? it looks like she’s preparing it like the Chinese people in those times would. I think it’s definitely different from Korean kimchi
Chinese paocai and korean kimchi are v different tho :) paocai is white in color (resembles sauerkraut) and kimchi is smothered in red. I watched the liziqi video and it was def a recipe for kimchi, not paocai, but it is explainable since she labeled it as yanbien ppl’s food (yanbien region has a lot of koreans residing). So yep, meaningless fight!
@@Sanhospriteyou realize there's more than one version of "paocai"?? Kimchi is called "korean pocai" in chinese. Also not to mention kimchi was literally brought over from china to korea first
@@kspade1788yeah , we literally write “ 韓國泡菜” literally Korean paocai ,pao cai meaning fermented or soaked vegetable .
@@林T-k5m yup people can't fathom "paocai" is the chinese word equivalent for "pickles" in english and "kimchi" in korean. Many different types of paocai/pickles/kimchi all made differently with different vegetables
And people act like the joseon ethic group of china doesn't exist. This could very well be a recipe from the Chinese joseon group, making it still chinese because it started there and not korea.
@@kspade1788or maybe this is because wrong translating? Using "kimchi" more well known outside China. Maybe translator using that word for people understand more and not Pao cai 😅
She used a more general easy to understand English name so what's the issue? If people want kimchi, they search kimchi. If people want pickled cabbages, whether it be spicy or not, they search pickled cabbages. Different market groups, different marketing. No need to fuss over a name of the same dish in a foreign land. They grew up calling the dish differently so they are not wrong. It's like getting angry over a cat's sound. In the West, it's meow. In Japan, it's nya. In Malaysia, it's miao. Give it a break. Food supposed to unite us, not break us apart.
I think people forget just how connected China and Korea were. It probably existed in China first given Napa Cabbage is much more common in China than they wouldve been in Korea. But like leave that debate up to historians
This entire thing is so stupid bc similar/same dishes can be called different things and prepped different/in the same ways. In india, for example, we have a bunch of different names for the same dish such as gol guppa and pani puri. Those both r the same dish but called differently in different regions. This isn’t different in any way and to get so upset for absolutely no reason over someone calling it what they know it as or grew up knowing it as is idiotic.
well you talking about regions inside 1 country they are fighting over it cause its 2 different country and countries sometimes have a deeper issues with each other so you cant expect them to bahave like they are just regions on a single country
@@criauxe the situations r similar tho? She’s literally just describing the damn dish. Nothing wrong with that. And if we really want to get into it then all of us r technically from the continent of Africa. Thats where the first humans came into existence. So lets not get into semantics over immature behavior. All of this is pointless childish bickering.
Well, even with Indians, I see people fighting over which spices are used in which part of India, and who has more authentic dish in many comment sections
Just that our PM doesn't get involved because these fights are on a very small level and within the country
For China and Korea, of course China has influenced Korea in the past and even ruled over it that's why Koreans get sensitive when dishes which were customised and popularised by Korea are claimed by China as the "original" which may or may not be true
@CrystalPheonix how about India and Pakistan :)
@@CrystalPheonix you dont get it do you? china and korea has a bad relationship
I don't think it should be a debate at all if the tittle just say "spicy Chinese cabbage dish". She didn't even use KIMCHI to describe the dish. So, it can be just a similar dish.
I think it can be a debate when she use the term Chinese Kimchi.
Yeah it's strange that the koreans get worked up
Chinese should stop translating their dishes and learn from the Koreans and Japanese for better marketing. Just call it paocai
Maybe because Pao cai not well known outside China. And western pickle not really fit. So, translator using kimchi 😅 but ofc this is different dish.
@@jack19677 That only works because both of those are idolized by Western societies. It's "cool". Even the word Chinese being in the "English name" is enough to get mass racism and stink outpour. Similarly mass amounts of racism and brainless attacks are done towards anything posted with the word Indian in it or any video or picture with anyone who could remotely be mistaken for what people assume is Indian.
Well, chinese cabbage is another common English name for Napa cabbage. However, if you look at the dish she cooks it's obviously inspired by korean food. The video actually used to have a different name, for some reason the person who runs the youtube channel (not liziqi herself but probably someone who works for her since she's made a video where she directly addresses her youtube audience) changed the title which is what makes me think it was done on purpose to piss of koreans.
Around the same time, some chinese people online were even trying to claim the hanbok as chinese, as well as kimchi. This was back when kpop probably peaked, 2021-2022 ish?? So I think these people were just jealous of koreans bcus their culture was "trending."
China is the mother culture of so many countries of asia, It's not for nothing that Koreans and Japanese used and still use Chinese characters.
fr they wont have culture to start off
It's ridiculous, when people discuss about who got a certain meal or dish first developed
Love these kinds of arguments 😂
It's like asking if Kebab is Turkish or Greek. When you are the same country for a long time and exchange culture you are bound to have common dishes and cultural traits. Italy has its own bechamel, croissant, gateaux, because it was under the French domination so they took many food from the french. There is no answer. Probably when China conquered Korea they imported the kimchi to China cause it was useful, maybe it was invented in China after Korea invented it all on its own, whatever. Traditional things are more of a way to create a "national" brand to exclude others to participate in it, rather than a way to accurately share a good thing for humanity. This way, governments can claim their uniqueness so that people can feel part of something bigger. The problem with this is that national branding automatically excludes nuances such as this.
Exactly, l am greek and i was thinking the same thing. My country was colonized for 400 years from the Othman empire, so it is natural we would share some stuff, it belongs to both cultures. If you are in Greece, it is Greek, when you are in turkey, it is Turkish. Once i had a girl telling me her Turkish friend said kebab is from turkey which did annoy me, when you colonise a country and stop her development you don't have the right to say things don't belong to them, we can both share it and stop arguing.
@@anna.owo. ottomans didn't colonize your country ottomans invaded it those are different you had no country until recent so you can not be colonized. No Greeks were slaves to ottomans like africans being to british people. Nobody stopped your development you were already nothing at those times, doing nothing but hiding behind walls of Istanbul. Kebab is not Turkish or Greek, it's an Arabic food originally. Turks took it from Arabs you took it from Turks. You can't even say the word kebab properly and it does not mean anything in your language. Same as you guys were calling it döner and a couple of years ago it suddenly became gyros or whatever. It's arabic darling. You don't have to be so angry like relax. Greeks stole the food we carried all the way from central asian steps to Anatolia which is yoğurt but even i don't get angry as much as you do.
girl nobody is wondering if kebap is greek bc everybody knows it's not💀 kebap is literally the most middle eastern food ever, this could have been a better example if you used baklava or cacık/tzaziki
@@cloud-nt8pe cacık or tzaziki is actually indian btw.
@@cloud-nt8pe also baklava is Turkic. Food historians proved it's more likely to be a central asian food
I miss her i hope she returns now that she won the battle
What battle
Lawsuit against her boss (or should I call him her ex boss now?). The boss use her name as a trademark to his product without her consent. Which is against the agreement they made before she signed the contract with him.
I think we need to wait until the whole thing is over and she cna finally combeack
And she's really back!!! Check it out!
Who honestly cares where the dish came from first ? There is so many things to address in this world and we are fighting over spicy cabbage 😂. Um okay.
The thing is korea used to be a weak countru so china cant stand that koreans atent just gonna sit around and let them take everything. The 2 dishes are different but that is kimchi. Bts got banned in china for offhandedly saying kimchi is korean. They even used hanbok in the olympics and said since some people in china have korean blood, basically they were allowed to claim these korean things like wtf foes that even mean
in the balkans we fight over food aswell it's so embarrassing
Yea. No one can tell the difference between China Japan Korea, or Pakistani India Bangladesh, yet they fight all the time between each other and there’s lots of tensions. It’s stupid, really, from the outside perspective.
@@tmtmtm520 literally I'm from south Asia and it's completely similar culture with slightly difference in certain things
Well, your society have no culture so it's understandable you don't understand any of this.
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This is like Guatemala and Mexico. They argue about avocados & the “origin” of tamal. Mexicans say “tamal” doesn’t come from a Mayan word but it’s literally the Maya who invented the dish. The oldest record & depiction has been found in Peten, Guatemala… it’s like a war that never ends. Me personally tamals aren’t Guatemalan nor Mexican because it is a dish that predates those colonial states. It’s indigenous. Many communities outside of Mesoamerica have their own version with different ingredients
uhmmmm~ i think the "chinese" adjective wasnt meant for the dish, it was meant for the cabbage? like chinese cabbage--- the one she used in the dish?
Its actually used for all fermented veggies. So with the logic if the argument, it can be seen that SK wants to claim sauerkraut and pickles as korean too, cause they called paocai on China too. Like, its not a unique word, its categorical.
@@ArianaLee7890you missed the point of the comment. They’re saying “chinese” was used to describe the type of cabbage used, as in a dish made with chinese cabbage. Not a chinese dish made with cabbage.
@@ArianaLee7890 Reading comprehension is a useful skill to have
If there’s older history of the Chinese dish being made before kimchi then…it’s a Chinese dish
Reminds me of the Jollof rice war😭🥹
Hey,
We go by Mufti Menks Fatwa on that now. Ghanaian jollof is best when eaten in Ghana and Nigerian Jollof is best when eaten in Nigeria.
Its settled.
lmao. i’ve only eaten my mom’s liberian jollof so i’m an outsider
@@charcboiylabagir7194 Ayyyyeeeee fellow Liberian 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
The way I chuckled when the Minister was mentioned 😂😂😂
Actually there are two types of Kimchi, Chinese and Korean. The difference is the way it's being prepared
Sometimes two cultures just evolve similarly and come up with an analogous dish with a different name. Another example of this would be Ugali(East African)and Sadza(South African) or schnitzel(German), cutlets(French/Italian), and Katsu(Japanese)
it's funny that Koreans go so hard to defend kimchee, then turn around and act like spam and corn dogs are Korean instead of straight up appropriated.
As a Chinese from Southwestern part of china, this is our regional dish. my grandmother fed me this when I was a kid. My grandmother has never tried once any Korean food in her entire life. She learnt this from her grandmother. We keep this habits from generation to generation. Korean Kimchi tastes quite different from ourPaocai , if you get the chance to have a try. It’s like noodles, the Chinese way of boiling noodles are different from Korean and Japanese, you could not say it is from either of the country. It’s meaningless to fight.
还真的面食是中国发明有历史资料作证据他们学模仿抄袭有什么面反而说真货正品正统是假的学习他们就挺搞笑。😂
in Europe, no one cares. Last week I was in Belgium at an EU international meeting, and started small-talking about apple pie (strudel), blood sausage, goulash etc and literally at least 5 other European countries' citizens present there at the event just nodded, smiled and said they have the same, just under a different name. That was it😂 We moved on to the next topic.
Thanks!
Blows my mind that different countries can't just enjoy their version of the same/a similar dish.
koreans being mad at other countries for having similar food as them while also having a lot of similar food with japan and china too
I guess they refuse to get reminded that they were once colonialized by both China and Japan at some point in their dark history.
That's why they refuse to admit that their local dishes are somewhat influenced by these countries.
To be fair no one "owns" dishes in Asia, because Asia is a melting pot of shared spices and crops. They are normally "known for it" but claiming to be an originator of something ic very debatable because a lot or well known staple spices, crops and even livestock are native somewhere else and were propagated all throughout Asia via trade. (Which is an original form of trade currency before, gold, silver and monetary units)
All countries do that
@@irokimaori6426China DID NOT colonize Korea. Korea was a vassal state and it was a consensual decision from both countries. Why did this happen? Because of japanese pirates attacking both countries borders, but especially Korea due to it being much weaker than the Chinese giant. Hence, the korean royal family signed them up as a vassal state to seek protection from the Chinese military to counterattack the JP. The korean royal family still rules its own country, except yes, they did have to please China too cause nobody's entitled to free prltection from another country with nothing in return. This format is still going in these days btw. If its colonizing, the korean royal family would have been conpletely replaced by chinese royals.
most of our sushi shops in NZ are run by Koreans 😅
@@ArianaLee7890 if you know, colonization is not just "we've come to take your lands"
Colonization takes different forms.
Korea being a vassal state to China meant majority of their political power is greatly influenced and controlled by the Chinese empire.
They wed Chinese royal members from the extended families to the royalties of Korea to strengthen the foundation of their influence to the Kingdom.
They have influenced the country so much that before the great King Sejong gifted his people their own alphabet, all high ranking families, royalty, and high status households were taught to write and read in the old chinese alphabet.
Even the royal treasury had to send yearly taxes of gold, silver and goods (and by goods, that includes slaves and women for prostitution) to the envoys of China as tribute.
What we all know now as "Joseon" period was not even called that until King Sejong invented the Korean alphabet. They called it "Yi" dynasty. They named it after the last king of Koguryo (now known as NK) Yi Songye, who maintained a close relationship with the Ming Dynasty (of China)
Only after King Sejong's fight to give Korea back to it's people and giving them their own alphabet at the cost of his life, did they abandon the term "Yi dynasty" and used "Joseon"
You cannot, CANNOT say that Korea was not colonized by China. They did far worse. They invaded old Korea since the 1200s. Since the freaking Yuan dynasty. The only reason they were not completely colonized and the local empire was kept, was because of the tributes that the empire sent to the mainland.
Taxes that were placed on the shoulders of the people. And saved the members of the royal family from being extinguished, but killed more of it's people due to worsening poverty.
Taxes that were not "for the betterment of the people" but taxes that kept them from being attacked by the troops of the mainland.
This is basically the same as the arguments between Indians and Pakistanis in almost every traditional/cultural food videos’ comment section lol
What? I've never seen them, food and music only bonds us together. Everywhere I only see both sides appreciating each other because we all love good food lol we were literally the same country not even a century ago😭
This reminds of Venezuelans and Colombian arguing who invented the arepa 🫓 🤣
Lol yea true I’m Colombian and gotten into some arguments over that🤣
I would agree with the Chinese here to be honest if it's in historical records it is what it is even it is known or unknown.
Why do Koreans get so offended. Every country has their own version of the dish. It’s also ironic when they literally post videos of the dragon beard candy without always giving credit to Chinese as their own street food and black bean sauce noodles. Those are proven to be Chinese but there are Korean videos where they won’t mention “Chinese” dragon beard candy.💀I’m sure there are others too.
Agree! Like the samgyeopsal reminiscent of Japanese barbecues where they use buckets with charcoal to bbq meat in ancient times. Korea was invaded by Japan but they never say it was influenced by the Japanese.
East asian people are like that they get offended on super easy small stuffs for no reason and create beef
Ethnocentrism
@@mikay3427nuh, the stone lid was in way ancient history. Also Japanese are descendants of Koreans but not claimed bc of their violent war crimes
Every group does this tbf, but it does seem like some Knetz in particular get very upset when they think others are stealing Korean dishes because of their history. Still, it’s ridiculous.
People will fight over a cup of water smh.
A significant amount of korean cuisine is food from other countries (often china) with some regional changes.
Like i get thats kinda how food works. Like 80% of 'american' food is just adapted and integrated from other cultures.
But its pretty ridiculous how often korea gets up in arms over this, and how much they consider to be 'traditional korean' (naengmyeon, mandu, this list freaking goes on and on).
Its like americans trying to claim pizza or burgers.
Maybe it's difficult to determine because part of Ancient Korean was part on mainland China back then. So maybe kimchi was first made by Koreans in that region.
Basically every neighboring countries fight.
Algeria and Morocco are the wordt enemies and it all started because of costumes and cuisine.
other cultures have dumplings and they are called different in every culture nobody is fighting about it, so chill people
Same with hanbok and hanfu clothing. I commented that the two countries are neighbours and sharing similar clothing history is not a surprise, but they bashed me for "stealing" even though I've tried so hard to carefully choose my words to avoid misunderstanding..
OMG they are literally the same people they just don't wanna admit it.
that's like americans accusing italians of stealing pizza lol
the characters for the Han part of each word is different though. It's easy to mix up because of the lack of accents. 漢服 for hanfu and 韓服 for hanbok. The only character they share is the one used of fu/bok, which means clothing.Also, Koreans and Chinese are not the same people although the two ethnicities do share similar genetic markers, which are also present in Mongolian and Japanese. They may have some common ancestry, in the very dim past, but it would be inaccurate to call them the same people
More nuance. It needs to be carefully assessed rather than just saying "theyre neighbors" cause for both Han and Korean chauvinists, it would automatically mean that one "copied" from the other.
了吧，他们也只是贵族王氏得到明朝皇帝赐的一些款式官服而已。
Liziqi is my fav youtuber like her videos are so much peaceful ❤❤ i hope that she post more videos😢.
I will never understand the need for people to segregate, instead of finding reasons to get together.
Plainly stated, we, as humans, out of wisdom, should be able to find plenty of common ground to bring us closer together, as opposed to finding enough ammunition to segregate us.
P.S. 'Nuff said!!! 😊😊😊
Before complaining, did these Koreans ask the permission from the US first 🤣🤣🤣
I really wanna see liziqi back. Its been so long she posted.i hear she won the case but is still not uploading
Your countries are right beside each other.
If Liziqi didn't call it kimchi then it's not kimchi.
Same with food arguments in the middle east (I'm iraqi and biased towards my country but then there's "it's kurdish" or "it's Turkish" arguments)
She is so funny. Best storyteller ever ❤
There is no such thing as a certain thing in any food. At a time when we are all so universal, how much influence has liziqi had on Koreans to the extent that a person saw a cooked dish and called it our dish and fought over it? This all dramas against her because of her success.🤪 from sri lanka.
Kimchi literally means fermented in both languages, chinese kimchi has a clear brine while korean kimchi, is, you already know. Also maybe the youtuber didn't know what kimchi is.
She knew what it is. She said the recipe is from a chaixianzu friend. Chaoxianzu refers to Chinese Koreans. So, basically chinese citizens/national with korean ethnicity. The word itself is actually the chinese translation for Joseon. There would have been no argument if more people knew what chaoxian zu means. But you see, nobody wanted to back down so more stuff got involved and the whole thing escalated.
@@ArianaLee7890there would still be an argument because Koreans wouldnt recognize chaixian people as Chinese lol, only Han. Nvm that there are 56 ethnicities in China and all of them have an equally valid claim to be there and to be Chinese. I can completely see them use it to say “see? See? It’s a Korean dish”. The fact remains that liziqi wasn’t colonizing or stealing anything. It’s a dish from an ethnic group in China, and they ALL consider themselves Chinese / 中国人。
@@lucyfiniarel2347except multiracial/multiethnic nations like the US never claims foods from other immigrants as theirs. The origin is always mentioned, despite the controversies about them.
@@BrakeCoachAnd LiZiQi never claimed that a Cháoxiǎnzú dish was Han. Her title literally reads «Sour and sweet, a delicacy to warm your wintry days-spicy Chinese cabbage. 温暖一冬的酸甜回味--辣白菜»。 In other words, she isn't referring to any countries or any ethnicities at all in the title. She just referred to the main ingredient, which is Chinese cabbage. If you know your English and know your Chinese, then you know that she simply made a literal translation of her Chinese title into English; because ‘Chinese cabbage’ = 白菜 and ‘spicy’ = 辣。
Nigeria and Ghana and our jollof rice have entered the chat 😂😂
Peru and Ecuador have some similar dishes too but we don’t fight over ownership. Peruvians call it one thing and we call it another. The way the dish is made is also slightly different and that’s why they taste slightly different too. Dished like that aren’t owned by a specific culture but share. It doesn’t matter who started
'do you wanna break up or do you wanna stay together' KILLED ME IM DEAD NOW
there’s different kinds if kimchi, kimchi is basically a verb, like pickling, the vegetable preparing process is different
I mean there are a lot of "local dishes" that also existed in other cultures. It doesn't have to be inspired by something that "came out first" but I guess some locals were just being adventurous one day and created the dish thru trial and error. Our ancestors didnt have many chances to travel and discover foreign dishes so I think a lot of these "dish origin wars" is pointless.
That's like the bloody war between Colombia and Venezuela for the Arepa.
Lol I’m Colombian and can confirm
i just cant imagine caring that much. like ... is this what its like being jobless ????? getting so upset a foreign minister had to get involved?
I swear Korea and China are like siblings, they fight over the most RIDICULOUS things ever. (And i love it honestly)
The term kimchi is definitely from korea. China has preserved vegetables. They look different 😅
China use the word pao cai for all fermented veggies no matter where it is from. So, no it was never about the term "kimchi", it was about what the term "pao Cai" should refer to. Then, the two countries govs somehow got into an agreement that a new term for korean kimchi would be created in China's vocab. The term had some of the hardest characters, which led to a massive all korean thing boycott, that ended with the new word removed. This whole thing is ridiculous.
@@ArianaLee7890 Thanks for the info. I'm chinese too but born and bred in another country. It is so tiring to fight over food. Lol.
same with zhajiangmian. i’ve heard so many koreans act like “jjajangmyeon” is korean when it’s literally chinese so..
In Korea, we would actually say along the line like “hey, anyone want zhajiangmian? I know the best Chinese restaurant for that” -- just because they ‘act’ like it does not give you right to spread faults rumoured coming from your assumptions… people like you are the reason these kimchi incidents escalate. Tsk tsk tsk
Jjajangmyeon and zhajiangmian are two different things. They are both very very similar cuz one is literally based off of the other. Jjajangmyeon is the Korean ‘ version ‘ of zhajiangmian. Just because you ‘know’ so many Koreans who ‘act’ like zhajiangmian is Korean doesn’t mean that every Korean thinks that. As someone who is Korean, I can assure you that like 98.999% of Koreans know and acknowledge that the original is zhajiangmian and not Jjajangmyeon and that zhajiangmian is Chinese. If you’re going to say something about cultures/traditions/etc, at least be cultured about it, you idiot
huh? every korean I've seen openly calls it chinese food though?
We call Chinese people jajanmyeon FYI.
That’s not true though…? We literally classify it as “중식“ which is chinese food. Don’t generalize us into one group over what you heard a single person say, who just so inconveniently happened to be korean.
But chinese are right thoooo historically speaking they indeed had it first and like any other dish was deconstructed and re constructed time snd time again. Yes kimchi is korean and chinese also have their version . Gosh everyone is so immature
I literally can't imagine caring about anything so unimportant
Food becomes divergent after being in different countries for a long time.
Parisians see meat lover's pizza as a monstrosity. Chinese dumplings and the French variety are different. Japanese soy sauce is supposedly different from Chinese ones.
Just because you associate a food with your cultural identity doesn’t mean your culture created it. This is true for many iconic foods across the world. Anybody claiming otherwise is just ignorant.
Ramen and gyoza are most closely associated with Japan, but they originated in China.
Hamburgers and French fries are most closely associated with the U.S. but they originated in Germany and Belgium respectively.
Croissants aren’t French, Fajitas aren’t Mexican, Swedish meatballs originated in Turkey for some reason, the list goes on. No reason to be butthurt about it, you can’t rewrite history.
Fajitas were made by Mexican Americans so it’s indeed Mexican.
Pathetic KNet claiming everything that everything they do or did is the original 😂😂😂
As if trade of goods never happened 😅
Kimchi is significant because of the process known as kimjang. Anything that goes through that process is called kimchi. Kimjang is part of Korean culture and Unisco has deemed it as Korean too after extensive records.
Chinese kimchi exist but when it goes through the kimjang process, it should be labeled as Korean kimchi.
@@sunbinseo619Gimjang literally means to pickle something?
@@sunbinseo619No. So-called "kimjang" is just pickling. You K-netizens want to claim German kimchi AKA sauerkraut too, because it's pickled? Pathetic!
LiZiQi did nothing wrong. Her title stated that she made (and I quote) "spicy Chinese cabbage" and that's exactly what she did - she made a dish from Chinese cabbage that was spicy.
I think the Korean government did data collection in c1995 and found that there were over 350 types of kimchi, so the idea of one type of kimchi is just not true, there are loads of kinds and China has definitely invented some of them
中国有几千年记载吃泡菜(paocai)以及腌制东西
The Philippines has arroz caldo, afritada, brazo de mercedes, etc. and we owe it all to the Spanish culture being under the Spanish regime for 300 years. 😊
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DAMN. The foreign minister had to hit back? About Kimchi? Or whatever you wanna call it.
Where did she say "hit back"?? She said "speak up". Knowing how China's diplomatic department usually does things I would guess the minister was trying to cool it down
Thinking about it, she probably meant spicy - chinese cabbage - dish, not spicy - chinese - cabbage - dish, since napa cabbage is often called Chinese cabbage in English. Fans were who ran with it.
Never heard it called Chinese cabbage in my community. Only foreigners think cabbage
I've had chinese preserved cabbage. They use cucumbers and real cabbage, not nappa cabbage like the Koreans. Not even the same thing! Even the taste is not the same. Completely different from completely different culture.
中国有吃辣白菜地方，中国很大还有大白菜是起源于中国，韩国白菜超过90%进口自中国山东一个乡镇。
Chinese definitely created pickled cabbages with chili. Korean culture was derived from china's
I think a culture should be shared with each other:)
She can be so charming 😊
making the world safe for spicy cabbage.