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I TOTALLY 100% disagree with your opinion, THE 14400f has not got an UPGRADE path, the platform alone is worth the difference. you NEED TO BE MORE THOUGHFUL ON YOUR VIEWS. ALSO TREAT NVIDIA THE SAME
Bit disappointing that the specs don't show the seat height (actually been looking for a 12hr shit work chair for months now). Bigups to anyone who owns and can confirm seat is able to reach 48-58cm (19-23" in freedom units ^^) ~a random canadian dude
Funny, I was just looking at this chair today from your old video and today you release this, I will take a big look at it today and see if I get one. Thank you Daniel.
AMD Marketing team eating glue again. AMD Marketing team is probably the biggest anchor for the company. They are effing up so much for AMD with seemingly every release its unreal.
Except that pricing isn't set by marketing. This is just pure greed trying to charge a premium price for the shit they pulled out of the garbage. AMD is it's own biggest fanboy that thinks they can act like Apple.
In Germany the 8700F is 282,-€ and the 7700X (yes, with X) is 289,-€, only 7,-€ more expensive. For that you get faster clocks, double the L3 cache, PCIe 5.0, ECC support (real ECC, not on-die DDR5 ECC), and rather ironically you get an iGPU useful for troubleshooting. Oh and the 7800X3D is only 50,-€ more expensive than that. What a useless product. The 7600 is actually a few euros cheaper than the 8400F.
Alternate has the 7800X3D for 309€ rn (with sponsored link by KreativEcke), means its not even 30€ between the 8700F and the best gaming cpu on earth lol
@@BonusCrook prices droped a bit the last few days. The boxed 7700X is only 6€ more expensive than the boxed 7700 (265€ vs 259€) here in germany but actually you can get the tray version of the 7700 for 227€ which is a decent amount cheaper so might be worth it. (Honestly 265€ is still expensive for the 7700X when you get 20% more performance (and more efficiency too) for 17% more money with the 7800X3D.)
The thing that pisses me off is that they changed it to F G = Graphics X = No IGP X3D = 3D cache XT = Up to date Why F? Why copy intel, and especially given the fact that theres already a 8700F. This has to be the worst CPU line since fucking Phenome, honestly. The 4500 and 4100 are atleast well priced, though again, marketing sucked. The 5600X is great, just not with price, and thats the closest we have had to this level of tardy-ness.
X doesn't mean no iGP, it means "give us more money for practically nothing in return". Examples: 7600 vs 7600x 5600 vs 5600x 3600 vs 3600x 1700 vs 1700x 2700 vs 2700x F is good but its being used in a dumbass series of CPUs. It should just mean no igu which it does so it's fine. Also XT has nothing to do with being up to date it was the ryzen 3000XT line which had noticeably better silicon quality.
3:40 they seriously added the L2 and L3 cache together to try make it sound more impressive. 😢 They ate the whole glue factory And it's base and boost clocks are lower than the 8700g. I give up.
I understand why they're doing it. But they should really be priced under the Ryzen 7000 series. Feels like the usual AMD setting launch prices way too high and then having to use heavy discounts soon after launch screwing over retailers.
RTX upscaling in Firefox is kinda broken. It doesn't seem to work in the default youtube view. It will work in theater and fullscreen mode, but I can only get it to work when YT is set to 480p and 720p.
AMD has done this since they no longer needed to kiss the consumers butt anymore. Once AMD stock was worth something again with the launch of Ryzen. The attitude of the company did a 180 and gave the finger to consumers. The people that made them successful today. A company with +1 Billion and not -1 billion.
This is why fanboying is just pointless. As soon as either of the big players have a whatever slight edge, they'll decide to mislead customers to make a few more sales or increase profit. Intel, AMD, NVIDIA they all do it. It's because the people in key positions & their external consultants tend to be the same type of locusts that casually go from one to the other company every few years.
rx 7000 series is required for ryzen AI to work...go figure ...so my 7900x with 7900xtx made ai lot better in my setup when it only works on GPU with ai cores but my bro have 4080 super is very superior than any ai cores from amd and apple....WHO BUY THESE JUNKS FROM AMD ??? I AM VERY CURIOUS WITH ACUTAL BENCHMARK WITH 7700 vs 8700f and 7600 vs 8400f ???
The 8700F only has 16 usable PCIE-Lanes, whereas the 7700 has 24 usable PCIE-Lanes. This means the 8700F connects your graphic card only with 8 PCIE 4.0 Lanes (!) the 7700 with 16 PCIE 5.0 Lanes.
if Nvidia fixed their drivers then UHBR20 wouldn't matter. DSC is basically unnoticeable and the only real problems people have with DSC is because Nvidia doesn't handle it properly so people can't use in conjunction with DSR and other things.
@@RicochetForcemodern LCDs break really quickly now. They're not made to last anymore. Not a big deal since they're a third the price they were five years ago. Oleds have gotten much better and their longevity is getting better all the time. Id wager a new OLED would last as long as a new LCD panel today. I've had 3 LCDs die on me in the last 8 years. I'm not abusing them either they just die
Display port 2.1 has more problems than it's worth right now. Finding a cable longer than 1 meter that can actually push the full bandwidth is a gamble that most likely will cause issues. Dsc is amazing and even when dp2.1 is standard we're going to have to use dsc to get higher bandwidth than 4k 240hz. Nvidia needs to just fix their shit because AMD doesn't have these problems
12:30 Immediately stopped watching the video on Chrome and switched to Firefox. Not sure if Firefox is actually better than Chrome but I've used it since 2005 and only started using chrome to watch streaming video in HDR, now I can continue to resist change.
It's like when AMD mocked Nvidia and their 4090 for its power draw and heat.. the day before the 7900 XTX was released with enormous power draw and heat.
the WCCFTech article got it wrong, the 8700F and 8400F aren't APUs. But yeah... it was going to happen sooner or later as AMD is a profit driven company answerable to shareholders... Intel would have done the same if they were in AMD's position which doesn't make this whole mess any better either. The only reason Intel has to cut prices to the bare bones is to remain competitive, price is the only lever they only have at the moment.
I still haven't played Warhammer 3 but Warhammer 2 and Attila are my favorite Total War games, but i didn't expect a Star Wars one, i was thinking of something like Game of Thrones instead.
i get, that they have some cpus without igpu over from the 8000series but the name is fully missleading. They should ve called it GF or something, otherwise you dont really notice that it was a cpu with a decent Igpu but which got disabled since their normal lineup (7000series) also has igpus but not that powerful.
Yep really shows how skilled and deserving higher ups actually are when they continually make these absolutely braindead pricing decusions for their products
Entire phoenix disappoint me a lot. - iGPU is good, but not impressive. ALSO APUs have their issues (PCI-E 4.0x8, less amount of L3 cache) - pricing. I really don't want to pay more for iGPU because of other specs up aheah So as for 8000F processors - they should cost less than Raphael.
8700F should be a $199 CPU. The 8400F @ $149. We should see a price adjustment within the next month, or two. But people are also forgetting about the 7500F with 32mb L3, 3.7 base.
Ghost of Tsushima's current player count only compares to Helldivers 2 because Sony made people in countries totaling ~500 million people refund the game as Sony suddenly theratened to lock them out of their (in local buying power) very expensive game on short notice. This really damaged the hype for the game & poisoned the well.
Chill, these CPU's always come down fast in price, just don't want to nuke the sales of the CPU's near them in the product stack. What was the Intel's CPU's price at launch?
5900x for $260? 21% cheaper. Slightly better single-core effective value. Moderately better average multithreading performance, around +20%. +4 more cores. +8 more threads. +48 MB L3 Cache. AI has been around from 2009 you have not used it since social media made it popular so whoosh.
5900x has 2 chiplets means you have 2 32MB. So this Cache comparison is a bit missleading. But anyways, a better comparison: in germany currently you pay 27€ more and you get the 7800X3D instead of the 7800F. Lmao
Wait, wait, wait the 8700F and 8400F is referred to as APUs in the WCCFTech Article.... but only CPUs with integrated Graphics are called APUs by AMD?? Edit: Lookng at the facts here and it appears the price differential is due to the new node being used. I don't think AMD is willing to squeeze the retailers any more than they already are - I do think they should have dropped the price for 7000 series for at least 2 months before they launched the 8000 series so the pricing at least makes some sort of sense for the average laymen. Edit 2: Adding my initial reaction - Looks like AMD's marketing has started smoking whatever Intel has been smoking for awhile now - 9:50 that slide is very deliberately misleading as that GPU element does not exist for the 8700F. Also the 8700F has the new swanky "AI" engine so that'd explain the premium abit there as the 8400F is priced reasonably.
Monitors Unboxed admitted he really struggled to find any difference between using DSC and Display port 2.1. All that crying over 40 series using DP 1.4 for nothing
AMD needs to sell their CPUs at a higher price because their graphics cards are NOT selling. Everyone knows to ignore graphs from the manufacturers in general.
Lol not even AI ironically, the Ryzen 8000 non F series is the one that has great AI support since it contain RDNA3 igpu which has Matrix accelerator unlike these igpu less Ryzen 8000F series since currently the XDNA NPU is only useful for small worthless mundane tasks
The 8000F series is terrible value... Better buy a Ryzen 7 7700 which has a boost clock of 5.3GHz!!! I bought a new 7700 tray (without cooler) one for only €176,-
Can we do something about the dumb consumers that make the kind of assinine things these companies pull even remotely viable? They're holding us all back
Yo so I got the 7800x3d earlier on Amazon for 320 dollars. It had thermal paste on it still so I cleaned it but in the process used a broken in half bamboo toothpick to get under the ihs. I think it lightly scratched the side of a die. I don’t have a pc ready to test it. Is it damaged? I can’t really tell when shining a light on it.
AMD has generally been offering great products with equally good advertisement for a while, but I guess it can't be great all the time. They've done this kind of almost deceptive plays before. Guess you can't just expect them to do the right thing all the time. Think of the money, and all that.
hasn't this been true with the Ryzen 3100 and 3100X also with the 5600X3d and 5700X3d these were all failed to pass QC chips that AMD kept and then sold when the numbers reached a certain level. I mean the Ryzen 3100 and 3100X were failed Ryzen 3600 then the 5600X3d and 5700X3d were just failed 5800X3d now that don't mean they are broken its likely that they have crappy silicon and were just not able to clock high enough or is not stable enough at the needed voltage its not like Intel hasn't done it as well where do you think all those Pentiums and Celerons come from and these are indeed garbage that neither company doesn't wanna waste the only reason AMD takes a while to come out with these is because TSMC yield are so good that they rarely get bad chips.
In my area the pricing makes sense. 8700F is 225€, 14400F is 211€. The name can be misleading, but renaming the 8700G without graphics to a 7700F would be even worse. You have to look up what you are buying but at least you don't get Alder Lake CPUs rebranded as 13th or even "14th" gen CPUs.
I'm so tired of all of these people who just trash and complain about everything. And your never held accountable for the harm you do. All that matters is getting your social media engagement. It's popular to trash the only PC part complain that's not trying to take every dollar possible out of your pocket. AMD don't pay you to trash there competition. So it's a win win for you. When you say the 5700x was trash and it quickly become the best gaming cpu available. You basically did the same video as this one for the 5800x3d. We all know how that turned out. But it's not just you. Not 1 of you said 1 good thing about the 6700xt. 3 years later it's still the best gpu for the money.
Los 8000F se deberían haber vendido más adelante, al día de hoy con AM4 vivo se solapan precios de gamas de diferentes Tiers de las dos diferentes plataformas. "Creo" Buen análisis en el vídeo!!!!!!
The NPU in this CPUs completely useless. You need a graphics card for display output, when using this CPUs, and if you have at least gtx 1650, you will most likely get better performance in any AI workload using GPU than with that NPU.
About the F CPUs, pricing wise, it is simply their launch MSRP price and they probably want it to align with their other Zen4 CPU pricing so it doesn't disturb the current pricing structure. I wouldn't be surprised if it is going to be discounted soon enough. From company perspective it is better to offer discount instead of lowering the launch MSRP. FYI, the current pricing for 7700 in my country (with tax etc) is around $360 and 8700F is $320. 7600 is $226, 7500F is $193, 8500G is $210 and 8400F is $206. I do agree that AMD shouldn't compare 8700F with 14400F since it is not anywhere near in the same price class even without discounted price. For me, instead of 8700F I would just buy 8600G. It has less core, but cheaper and with 8CU GPU. If I just want a CPU for gaming then I would just buy 7600 or even 7500F. If I'm in the market for 8core Zen4 CPU for whatever reason, if the budget is not tight, I would buy 7700 instead. Only if I want 8core Zen4 and the budget is tight or I really want to play around with the NPU while also having an 8core CPU, then 8700F does make sense. As for 8400F I don't see why it should exist at that price point. For a bit more money, might as well buy 8500G or 7500F.
Nothing new Nvidia, AMD or Intel, all of them have a history of bull sh12 marketing and yes this looks like a lemon of CPU at this price point my advice do your homework
Because of PCI 5.0 they don`t come down… and next gen motherboards are more expensive. Try to find PCI 3.0 motherboard if you want to have cheap motherboard.
@@haukionkannel I have pcie 4.0 MB's that were about $100. No reason for pcie-5 to make a less capable MB cost 50%+ more. a few dollars more. And AM5 mbo's are more expensive than their other identical lga 1700 boards. I've been running AMD cpu's a long time now (more than a decade), but I'm still checking tco/tctb before building a machine and seeing what I get for my $$$. If they don't fix their bad mb pricing then Intel has a chance Assuming next gen isn't such power hungry unstable beasts and MB default settings are required to be sane.
If the tiers go up in price...after 2 months of gamepass you could just outright by the game in question. Better yet, what games are gonna be put in these tiers? So far just COD, unless they take away games that were previously released on the basic version. Lol. Xbox is doomed
Most times their marketing just don’t make sense. The 8700f should be compared to the 14500 which is the closest price competitor. Also with the gpu disabled it is no longer an APU.
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I TOTALLY 100% disagree with your opinion, THE 14400f has not got an UPGRADE path, the platform alone is worth the difference. you NEED TO BE MORE THOUGHFUL ON YOUR VIEWS. ALSO TREAT NVIDIA THE SAME
Bit disappointing that the specs don't show the seat height (actually been looking for a 12hr shit work chair for months now). Bigups to anyone who owns and can confirm seat is able to reach 48-58cm (19-23" in freedom units ^^)
~a random canadian dude
0:00 yo I heard you said "so a few gays ago" lol
Do Flexispot ship globally or they are US only?
Funny, I was just looking at this chair today from your old video and today you release this, I will take a big look at it today and see if I get one. Thank you Daniel.
What's even worse is that 7800x3d in the UK is at 319 so the 8700f is only 40 cheaper
AMD killing its own product by having a better product... Hey, still better than Bulldozer 😅
The 7800x3d is literally listed on amazon for $280 right now.
EDIT: $278. So a couple dollars cheaper lol.
$40 is a lot for most people no?
@@wfb.subtraktor311 phenom III x8 would have been goated
@@terrycruise-zd5tw not really, at that range is not much, specially because you get the fastest cpu in the world for 40 more.
AMD Marketing team eating glue again.
AMD Marketing team is probably the biggest anchor for the company. They are effing up so much for AMD with seemingly every release its unreal.
AMD is the biggest enemy of AMD, they miss every marketing opportunity,
Except that pricing isn't set by marketing. This is just pure greed trying to charge a premium price for the shit they pulled out of the garbage. AMD is it's own biggest fanboy that thinks they can act like Apple.
AMD never fails to miss an open dunk.
They were listening RUclipsrs for a while so things were smooth(-ish) but now they already got lost.
@@zodwraith5745 Marketing is the centre of corporate greed.
In Germany the 8700F is 282,-€ and the 7700X (yes, with X) is 289,-€, only 7,-€ more expensive. For that you get faster clocks, double the L3 cache, PCIe 5.0, ECC support (real ECC, not on-die DDR5 ECC), and rather ironically you get an iGPU useful for troubleshooting. Oh and the 7800X3D is only 50,-€ more expensive than that. What a useless product.
The 7600 is actually a few euros cheaper than the 8400F.
Alternate has the 7800X3D for 309€ rn (with sponsored link by KreativEcke), means its not even 30€ between the 8700F and the best gaming cpu on earth lol
What about the R7 7700?
The 7700X is just a scam you're paying EXTRA for them to take away your box cooler.
@@BonusCrook prices droped a bit the last few days. The boxed 7700X is only 6€ more expensive than the boxed 7700 (265€ vs 259€) here in germany but actually you can get the tray version of the 7700 for 227€ which is a decent amount cheaper so might be worth it. (Honestly 265€ is still expensive for the 7700X when you get 20% more performance (and more efficiency too) for 17% more money with the 7800X3D.)
@@BonusCrook Sure, I was just trying to find the "worst" case scenario price-wise.
The F stands for Failure.
R5 7500F is pretty good.
This isn't 7500F 👍@@Scott99259
THE F models are quiet good, best bang for the buck.
@@izidor THIS ONE isn't 👍
Video Failure and that's not new...
Methinks they used Ryzen AI to generate their marketing slides.
The thing that pisses me off is that they changed it to F
G = Graphics
X = No IGP
X3D = 3D cache
XT = Up to date
Why F? Why copy intel, and especially given the fact that theres already a 8700F.
This has to be the worst CPU line since fucking Phenome, honestly. The 4500 and 4100 are atleast well priced, though again, marketing sucked. The 5600X is great, just not with price, and thats the closest we have had to this level of tardy-ness.
X doesn't mean no iGP, it means "give us more money for practically nothing in return".
Examples:
7600 vs 7600x
5600 vs 5600x
3600 vs 3600x
1700 vs 1700x
2700 vs 2700x
F is good but its being used in a dumbass series of CPUs. It should just mean no igu which it does so it's fine.
Also XT has nothing to do with being up to date it was the ryzen 3000XT line which had noticeably better silicon quality.
I have a full AMD system... but the AMD meme of the wizard eating glue is pretty accurate.
What the hell is that?
3:40 they seriously added the L2 and L3 cache together to try make it sound more impressive. 😢
They ate the whole glue factory
And it's base and boost clocks are lower than the 8700g.
I give up.
Amd gets handed a easy win and fumbles it every time. It's like they decided to hire intells played off marketing team
7800X3D for 309€ and 8700F for 282€ in germany, nice AMD!
😆
Where? I only saw it for 330.
i also would like to know where you can buy a 7800X3D for 309€ the cheapest i saw was 339€
Alternate has the 7800X3D for 309€ rn (with sponsored link by KreativEcke),
@@aladinz88 hard to avoid yt comment filter but his Kreative Fragen 277 one has it.
The F series APUs are the most bizare processors i have seen in a long time.
I understand why they're doing it. But they should really be priced under the Ryzen 7000 series.
Feels like the usual AMD setting launch prices way too high and then having to use heavy discounts soon after launch screwing over retailers.
RTX upscaling in Firefox is kinda broken. It doesn't seem to work in the default youtube view. It will work in theater and fullscreen mode, but I can only get it to work when YT is set to 480p and 720p.
Bad advertising on behalf of AMD
AMD has done this since they no longer needed to kiss the consumers butt anymore. Once AMD stock was worth something again with the launch of Ryzen. The attitude of the company did a 180 and gave the finger to consumers. The people that made them successful today. A company with +1 Billion and not -1 billion.
Who knew.
This is why fanboying is just pointless.
As soon as either of the big players have a whatever slight edge, they'll decide to mislead customers to make a few more sales or increase profit. Intel, AMD, NVIDIA they all do it.
It's because the people in key positions & their external consultants tend to be the same type of locusts that casually go from one to the other company every few years.
They should of sold them for 100-125 for a good starting cpu for beginner builds, That would of been a great deal. SSD,RAM,CPU prices going up.
Wait 3 months and the price will be there!
50% discount sounds so good!
😂
should *have... not "of"...
would *have... not "of"...
rx 7000 series is required for ryzen AI to work...go figure ...so my 7900x with 7900xtx made ai lot better in my setup when it only works on GPU with ai cores but my bro have 4080 super is very superior than any ai cores from amd and apple....WHO BUY THESE JUNKS FROM AMD ??? I AM VERY CURIOUS WITH ACUTAL BENCHMARK WITH 7700 vs 8700f and 7600 vs 8400f ???
The 8700F only has 16 usable PCIE-Lanes, whereas the 7700 has 24 usable PCIE-Lanes. This means the 8700F connects your graphic card only with 8 PCIE 4.0 Lanes (!) the 7700 with 16 PCIE 5.0 Lanes.
you got no idea what you are talking.
Great analysis on the APU chips.
DP 2.1 UHBR20 most certainly matters because monitors stay in use far longer than most other components.
if Nvidia fixed their drivers then UHBR20 wouldn't matter. DSC is basically unnoticeable and the only real problems people have with DSC is because Nvidia doesn't handle it properly so people can't use in conjunction with DSR and other things.
QD-OLEDs might not be as resilient as a good IPS
@@lycanthoss DSC is very obvious, nvidia won't support full DP 2.1 even with RTX 5090
@@RicochetForcemodern LCDs break really quickly now. They're not made to last anymore. Not a big deal since they're a third the price they were five years ago. Oleds have gotten much better and their longevity is getting better all the time. Id wager a new OLED would last as long as a new LCD panel today. I've had 3 LCDs die on me in the last 8 years. I'm not abusing them either they just die
Display port 2.1 has more problems than it's worth right now. Finding a cable longer than 1 meter that can actually push the full bandwidth is a gamble that most likely will cause issues. Dsc is amazing and even when dp2.1 is standard we're going to have to use dsc to get higher bandwidth than 4k 240hz. Nvidia needs to just fix their shit because AMD doesn't have these problems
If you wanna get rid of that extra bit of green screen you might try moving it a little further back, or lighting it separately.
12:30 Immediately stopped watching the video on Chrome and switched to Firefox. Not sure if Firefox is actually better than Chrome but I've used it since 2005 and only started using chrome to watch streaming video in HDR, now I can continue to resist change.
It's like when AMD mocked Nvidia and their 4090 for its power draw and heat.. the day before the 7900 XTX was released with enormous power draw and heat.
Yes 355watt gpu is crazy ....if you ignore 4080 and 4090 gpu. At least you could power a 4070 with the energy saved by runing a amd cpu
The “F” stands for fleecing the customer.
the WCCFTech article got it wrong, the 8700F and 8400F aren't APUs. But yeah... it was going to happen sooner or later as AMD is a profit driven company answerable to shareholders... Intel would have done the same if they were in AMD's position which doesn't make this whole mess any better either. The only reason Intel has to cut prices to the bare bones is to remain competitive, price is the only lever they only have at the moment.
I fucking love warhammer 3 so a star wars game with a similar polish would be amazing
I still haven't played Warhammer 3 but Warhammer 2 and Attila are my favorite Total War games, but i didn't expect a Star Wars one, i was thinking of something like Game of Thrones instead.
@@Archaoen0 game of thrones would be bring i feel unless it took a more magic focus that could be fun
Few weeks and they will be discounted, whoever is setting prices at amd needs to be given the boot
AMD gimping L3 cache and PCIe lanes of their APUs is so annoying. Rather get Intel APUs for that reason, even if the iGPU is weaker.
8700F: no iGPU
8700K: yes iGPU
lol
So this is like the 5500, 5700 all over again while they didn’t do that with the 5600
i get, that they have some cpus without igpu over from the 8000series but the name is fully missleading. They should ve called it GF or something, otherwise you dont really notice that it was a cpu with a decent Igpu but which got disabled since their normal lineup (7000series) also has igpus but not that powerful.
Yep really shows how skilled and deserving higher ups actually are when they continually make these absolutely braindead pricing decusions for their products
Entire phoenix disappoint me a lot.
- iGPU is good, but not impressive. ALSO APUs have their issues (PCI-E 4.0x8, less amount of L3 cache)
- pricing. I really don't want to pay more for iGPU because of other specs up aheah
So as for 8000F processors - they should cost less than Raphael.
8700F should be a $199 CPU. The 8400F @ $149. We should see a price adjustment within the next month, or two. But people are also forgetting about the 7500F with 32mb L3, 3.7 base.
Ghost of Tsushima's current player count only compares to Helldivers 2 because Sony made people in countries totaling ~500 million people refund the game as Sony suddenly theratened to lock them out of their (in local buying power) very expensive game on short notice.
This really damaged the hype for the game & poisoned the well.
Atm for microcenter. You can get the 7700x with the bundle msi mobo, gskill ram. For like 400 in all
Chill, these CPU's always come down fast in price, just don't want to nuke the sales of the CPU's near them in the product stack. What was the Intel's CPU's price at launch?
5900x for $260?
21% cheaper.
Slightly better single-core effective value.
Moderately better average multithreading performance, around +20%.
+4 more cores.
+8 more threads.
+48 MB L3 Cache.
AI has been around from 2009 you have not used it since social media made it popular so whoosh.
5900x has 2 chiplets means you have 2 32MB. So this Cache comparison is a bit missleading.
But anyways, a better comparison: in germany currently you pay 27€ more and you get the 7800X3D instead of the 7800F. Lmao
@@AlienGurke never thought of it like that. Makes sense now
What if AMD was called FreakMD and instead of making tech theyre rizzing gyatts
Wait, wait, wait the 8700F and 8400F is referred to as APUs in the WCCFTech Article.... but only CPUs with integrated Graphics are called APUs by AMD?? Edit: Lookng at the facts here and it appears the price differential is due to the new node being used. I don't think AMD is willing to squeeze the retailers any more than they already are - I do think they should have dropped the price for 7000 series for at least 2 months before they launched the 8000 series so the pricing at least makes some sort of sense for the average laymen. Edit 2: Adding my initial reaction - Looks like AMD's marketing has started smoking whatever Intel has been smoking for awhile now - 9:50 that slide is very deliberately misleading as that GPU element does not exist for the 8700F. Also the 8700F has the new swanky "AI" engine so that'd explain the premium abit there as the 8400F is priced reasonably.
they probably gonna cut the price pretty fast but try to pull some profit of people that dont know better before that
SNAKE OIL !!! GET YOUR SNAKE OIL FROM AMD !!! INTEL IS RIGHT
AMD said F it, can't sell Gpu's lets dump the cpu's to.
Thats nice, wake me when we have decent games again and not bs. The last decent game to come out recently is Baldur's Gate 3.
time to wake up brother, predecessor patch on Tuesday
I really like AMDs marketing. They already telling us to buy these products later when they cut prices and realized they Fd up, AGAIN..
8000 f series as in big f in chat for whoever buys them
my i3 10100f was 69.99 200.00 less lets figure the price to performance on it.
Monitors Unboxed admitted he really struggled to find any difference between using DSC and Display port 2.1. All that crying over 40 series using DP 1.4 for nothing
I'm still rocking my ryzen 5600x. Honestly, I have zero reason to upgrade to the am5 at the moment.
I’m keeping my 5800x and rtx3080
8700F is comparable to 7600(X) which is available for ~200€/$.
Or you can get 7500f for cca €120-150, get full cache and sacrifice that basic 2cu iGPU and maybe 5% of performance for a decent discount.
Ye, i was just looking into 8700G/F and 7700 and came to the conclusion that 7700 is better value. :v
this difference you will have with 4090, another cheapest GPU will give you NO difference
You just know T2/Rockstar will release a barely functional no effort port of Red Dead a year after it's already been available on consoles.
Bigger number better!
4K 240Hz?
Can a 4090 even manage that?
With DLSS Performance maybe.
AMD needs to sell their CPUs at a higher price because their graphics cards are NOT selling. Everyone knows to ignore graphs from the manufacturers in general.
i got a 7600x and a 7900xtx and its overkill for a casual like me 🤷♂️
Disappoint at AMD since the expensive APU and without GPU's APU released
the bench marks will be interesting ahahhaaha, all youre getting is efficiency from 4nm and AI.
Lol not even AI ironically, the Ryzen 8000 non F series is the one that has great AI support since it contain RDNA3 igpu which has Matrix accelerator unlike these igpu less Ryzen 8000F series since currently the XDNA NPU is only useful for small worthless mundane tasks
Is APUs? Please stop pairing plural nouns with “is”.
I don't know why this channel takes 8000F seriously .....what's the point?? basically the 8000F just the answer of 14400F ....that's all..
0:01 a few gays ago?
amd got so big they made their cpus more expensive with barely any change, just turning into intel now
Seems like Ryzen 4000
LuDaShi in AMD official AD LMAO
I was literally seeing an AMD post on instagram when i got the notification 😮
Not paying $300+ for chair
Almost everything promoted by youtubers is just complete bullshit and you can buy similar or better things for less. It’s just marketing.
The 8000F series is terrible value... Better buy a Ryzen 7 7700 which has a boost clock of 5.3GHz!!!
I bought a new 7700 tray (without cooler) one for only €176,-
Can we do something about the dumb consumers that make the kind of assinine things these companies pull even remotely viable? They're holding us all back
Yo so I got the 7800x3d earlier on Amazon for 320 dollars. It had thermal paste on it still so I cleaned it but in the process used a broken in half bamboo toothpick to get under the ihs. I think it lightly scratched the side of a die. I don’t have a pc ready to test it. Is it damaged? I can’t really tell when shining a light on it.
Looks like the 8700 F is dead on arrival
AMD has generally been offering great products with equally good advertisement for a while, but I guess it can't be great all the time. They've done this kind of almost deceptive plays before. Guess you can't just expect them to do the right thing all the time. Think of the money, and all that.
hasn't this been true with the Ryzen 3100 and 3100X also with the 5600X3d and 5700X3d these were all failed to pass QC chips that AMD kept and then sold when the numbers reached a certain level. I mean the Ryzen 3100 and 3100X were failed Ryzen 3600 then the 5600X3d and 5700X3d were just failed 5800X3d now that don't mean they are broken its likely that they have crappy silicon and were just not able to clock high enough or is not stable enough at the needed voltage its not like Intel hasn't done it as well where do you think all those Pentiums and Celerons come from and these are indeed garbage that neither company doesn't wanna waste the only reason AMD takes a while to come out with these is because TSMC yield are so good that they rarely get bad chips.
DANKE JÜRGEN 😢
In my area the pricing makes sense. 8700F is 225€, 14400F is 211€.
The name can be misleading, but renaming the 8700G without graphics to a 7700F would be even worse.
You have to look up what you are buying but at least you don't get Alder Lake CPUs rebranded as 13th or even "14th" gen CPUs.
8000f series only has x8 lane for the gpu. Becareful.
Such an awful misleading naming scheme for the whole 7000 and 8000 line. Terrible job from amd.
I'm so tired of all of these people who just trash and complain about everything. And your never held accountable for the harm you do. All that matters is getting your social media engagement. It's popular to trash the only PC part complain that's not trying to take every dollar possible out of your pocket. AMD don't pay you to trash there competition. So it's a win win for you.
When you say the 5700x was trash and it quickly become the best gaming cpu available. You basically did the same video as this one for the 5800x3d. We all know how that turned out.
But it's not just you. Not 1 of you said 1 good thing about the 6700xt. 3 years later it's still the best gpu for the money.
why is this 269???? should be 189.99 or 179.99.... it is 4nm but i doubt it makes a huge difference
Oh no!
a few gays ago!
You are the best Daniel!
Los 8000F se deberían haber vendido más adelante, al día de hoy con AM4 vivo se solapan precios de gamas de diferentes Tiers de las dos diferentes plataformas. "Creo"
Buen análisis en el vídeo!!!!!!
As much as I respect AMD. They really been smoking crack with how they be pricing some of their products lately.
The NPU in this CPUs completely useless. You need a graphics card for display output, when using this CPUs, and if you have at least gtx 1650, you will most likely get better performance in any AI workload using GPU than with that NPU.
Looks like AMD is the new intel
Thought the same to myself at about minute 3.
AMD always gets way too drunk way too soon on their success to grow as a company.
Have been since the 5000 series. AMD is not your friend. Might even be worse than Intel if given the opportunity.
There's just no reason to buy these at these prices
I mean this thing have been going for ages, remember 2200g and 2400g is zen arc and 3200g 3400g is only zen+ arc.
this isnt has bad as thew entire 13th and 14th gen stack losing crazy performance lol
About the F CPUs, pricing wise, it is simply their launch MSRP price and they probably want it to align with their other Zen4 CPU pricing so it doesn't disturb the current pricing structure. I wouldn't be surprised if it is going to be discounted soon enough. From company perspective it is better to offer discount instead of lowering the launch MSRP. FYI, the current pricing for 7700 in my country (with tax etc) is around $360 and 8700F is $320. 7600 is $226, 7500F is $193, 8500G is $210 and 8400F is $206.
I do agree that AMD shouldn't compare 8700F with 14400F since it is not anywhere near in the same price class even without discounted price.
For me, instead of 8700F I would just buy 8600G. It has less core, but cheaper and with 8CU GPU. If I just want a CPU for gaming then I would just buy 7600 or even 7500F. If I'm in the market for 8core Zen4 CPU for whatever reason, if the budget is not tight, I would buy 7700 instead. Only if I want 8core Zen4 and the budget is tight or I really want to play around with the NPU while also having an 8core CPU, then 8700F does make sense.
As for 8400F I don't see why it should exist at that price point. For a bit more money, might as well buy 8500G or 7500F.
Nothing new Nvidia, AMD or Intel, all of them have a history of bull sh12 marketing and yes this looks like a lemon of CPU at this price point my advice do your homework
What game(s) do you play?
Should be $50 cheaper.
Let's wait for 9000 series
Here we go again with amd making trash prices at launch.
AM4 is lookin more and more attractive every passing day 😊
AMD's biggest issue is motherboard prices. Drop those 20%.
Because of PCI 5.0 they don`t come down… and next gen motherboards are more expensive.
Try to find PCI 3.0 motherboard if you want to have cheap motherboard.
@@haukionkannel I have pcie 4.0 MB's that were about $100. No reason for pcie-5 to make a less capable MB cost 50%+ more. a few dollars more. And AM5 mbo's are more expensive than their other identical lga 1700 boards. I've been running AMD cpu's a long time now (more than a decade), but I'm still checking tco/tctb before building a machine and seeing what I get for my $$$. If they don't fix their bad mb pricing then Intel has a chance Assuming next gen isn't such power hungry unstable beasts and MB default settings are required to be sane.
Keep CoD if it'll cause a price hike, couldn't care less compared to hundreds of other games on it.
he said 69 without a nice. Who are you and what did you do to daniel.
I’m just gonna wait until the Ryzen 10 10000X
If the tiers go up in price...after 2 months of gamepass you could just outright by the game in question. Better yet, what games are gonna be put in these tiers? So far just COD, unless they take away games that were previously released on the basic version. Lol. Xbox is doomed
LMAO ,, AMD being shifty AGAIN ,, but all the fan-twerps will still say they are SAVIOURS
its an am5 platform . its ddr 5 its cheaepr than conpetition . its irrelevent what you say . because price > beats anything you might say
Most times their marketing just don’t make sense. The 8700f should be compared to the 14500 which is the closest price competitor. Also with the gpu disabled it is no longer an APU.
Apparently there is a file in ghosts of tshuima for fsr 3.1 so perhaps they are just getting ready for it