Nice matchup to see! Landsknecht mass is always a mistake. Was expecting preemptive Springalds to come out from the HRE, as this Abbasid composition was perfect. Also, isn't it nice to watch an age 3 battle? No bombard spam. Ahh, beautiful!
Was hoping for some more crossbows and camel archer to completely shut down any HRE answer, but with this kind of eco advantage you can bum rush it with maa only I guess. Nice to see that blackwidow didn't build a single farm and relied on taking berries all over the map instead.
landsknecht are strong, but nyancat did a big oopsie in using them: firstly, they want front liners as their armor is lower, secondly, their power is initial aoe attack, like fire lancers, so going for mangenels and then attacking without charge just makes them worse men at arms, just having springald to kill mangonels and using charge to oblieterate men at arms would change the outcome of this game abbasid did well with initial disengage as it made charge attack meaningless, so HRE at this point should have backed to base to build up forces
Dang! I would have loved to see just some crossbows to harass this MAA rather than the landschnect, still tho, nice to see Abassid actually have a viable strat.
Just in case you would actually want try to pronounce Landsknecht. You can slightly pause between lands/knecht. To adjust your tongue since the 'kne' isn't familiar. So Lands - just like you say it in english, except pronounce the 'a' as you would in 'fAlling'. LAnds. Drop the K hammer. It comes abruptly and clearly. Directly followed by necht. And the 'ch' is what everyone makes fun of german for. Sounds like an angry cat. Chhhhh. Not sh/sch. Its throaty but can be quite soft. Quick T to end it off. LAndsKnechht. That's my best attempt at explaining it. Good luck. Either way, you'll have me laughing in your next video. ✌️You're doing some awesome gamecasts
Would this build order work against fighting a civ that puts alot of presure in feudal age like English or France? I dont think you would even be able to get a second tc up right?
damn, never thought about going MAA into HRE. Given that they just have better MAA it seemed liked a losing strategy. Granted haven't had much luck with other strategies, lol.
think Abbasid should get cheaper fishing boats instead of docks. Also, one more landmark, idc if it doesn't do anything, its just hard when you only have 2 life lines and you can't even hide you house of wisdom cuz of the golden age, and I swear the Camel Archer is broke and way overpriced. The being able to build any sige in the field really don't matter, its still full price and depending can take longer to build then just have 3 or 4 workshops.
One of the very few features modern "English" still kept from actual English is the inability to pronounce "kn". Even when the Danes ruled England, the English couldn't pronounce their now new king's name and instead of Knut they called him Canute. (Little did they know that only a few decades later, they would be invaded and conquered again, and this time, they would be forced to learn French by the occupying force. The sad result of which was a vernacular pidgin, neither English nor French, neither Romance grammar nor Germanic grammar, which would then be called "Middle English" ...)
drives me nuts to see pros not stone wall. Theres only 3 spots he has to wall and it only costs 60+60+120, thats 240 less than a TC and ur completely secure till they build seige. By then you're able to build and actually benefit off of triple tc
dang, been playing Abbasid a lot lately and thought 2 TC by 9 minutes was decent but 3 seems greedy, especially for how little he scouted. I did not see any military until 10 minutes, a more aggressive HRE, France, Mongols, or English could have severely punished that. Still, if you can get away with it- not sure what could beat it except a lot of siege and crossbows which HRE by going heavy into farms did not have enough wood to do here.
You are indeed correct. It's not about the Abbasid's MAA being strong. The HRE player lost mainly because he failed to punish a super greedy opponent. And after the Abbasid player has already built up a massive economy, any army comp will work, not just MAAs.
Mass infantry was a huge misplay, all he had to do was massing crossbows, getting like 2 3 springalds, the knights in the back vs siege was fine too. Just goes to show, landsknecht is amazingly useless and underpowered. It's supposed to counter mass infantry and it can't.
True but it think because hed already build the mass barracks he had to commit into mass infantry pivoting to ranged wouldve taken to long so he was screwed either way.
Re Landsknecht, drop the K sound. Pretend the letter isn't there. Also Land instead of L + and, it's more like L + ahnd (think British "and" vs Aussie "and"). The "ch" is pronounced closer to an "sh", but it's sort of half way between the two. That's the tricky bit. DW though, drop the K and change the "land" and you're 90% of the way there
Doesn't work without numbers. Abbasid maa can just run at the springalds while mangonels blow up the crossbows. Also, he already teched spears and can just switch instantly.
@@insaneshepherd8678 really? you couldnt kamakazi the springalds into the mango and outrange them in time before the maa burn the springalds into the ground? i think you could. keep your springalds forward and the xbow spaced apart and back and it should work out
@@chrisnewtownnsw You'd need 3 springalds to get any kills on the Mangonels or they can just drive away. So, you're likely trading 3 springalds vs 2 mangonels while your opponent has a massively better eco and can just rebuild in the field. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me even if you can make it work. I think he lost the game the moment he didn't stone wall up and play for imperial. No way he can hold the Abbasid castle age push on that kind of eco disadvantage.
@@insaneshepherd8678 but for any amount of time the mangos are packed and retreating that is time that the maa are taking huge damage per second from the xbow. I'd like to see this simulation played out as an experiment
the fact that we can run straight to siege and torch it down ignoring the front line and still hold is bugging me... abbasid could get it up back again at the spot.. but imagine the frustration of players who cant... its just annoying...
siege is insanely powerful, every time he killed the mangonels his infantry was already weakened and killed by mostly untouched opponents infantery HRE maa and landsknecht counter enemy infantery, mangonels were only a bit impactful because he always had at least 2 or 3, they are intended to counter enemy ranged units and maybe spears, not maa abasid was brute forcing it with insane boom behind this which always works if you manage to get map control
Can you cast with fog off until they fix the Fog bug, I hate watching these because of it but loved watching the winter cast you guys did without fog. I don't mind you turning it on now and then to see who can see what but 80%-90% should be full view. I want to keep track on the mini map what people are doing when you jump away its really annoying. Makes me not able to watch more than like half your videos before it makes me click off. where I watched 100% of the EGCTV casts.
Landsknecht have aoe damage, they eat those man at arms like breakfast. But it's a low hp unit after all, if they get shot by mangonels it's gg. NYANCAT could have held with some spingalds poteintially.
My morning coffee...thanks 🤟
My morning blunt hit. Thanks
Most exciting thing I saw this game was having the prelates shown seperately like the chinese IO. Biggest QoL improvement for HRE by far!
That Thumbnail is a hate crime xD
Nice matchup to see! Landsknecht mass is always a mistake. Was expecting preemptive Springalds to come out from the HRE, as this Abbasid composition was perfect.
Also, isn't it nice to watch an age 3 battle? No bombard spam. Ahh, beautiful!
Was hoping for some more crossbows and camel archer to completely shut down any HRE answer, but with this kind of eco advantage you can bum rush it with maa only I guess. Nice to see that blackwidow didn't build a single farm and relied on taking berries all over the map instead.
@@insaneshepherd8678 Well observed, map control is key!
landsknecht are strong, but nyancat did a big oopsie in using them: firstly, they want front liners as their armor is lower, secondly, their power is initial aoe attack, like fire lancers, so going for mangenels and then attacking without charge just makes them worse men at arms, just having springald to kill mangonels and using charge to oblieterate men at arms would change the outcome of this game
abbasid did well with initial disengage as it made charge attack meaningless, so HRE at this point should have backed to base to build up forces
@@1Grainer1 Landsknecht deal aoe damage with every hit, not just the charge one.
@@insaneshepherd8678 if your opponent doesn't build faster units, it's relatively safer to spread eco. Good play.
Finally a great Abbasid highlevel play! thank you
2:40 and 13:35 is what you came for.
Non-Germans still fighting with the word Landsknecht 😄
Hört sich verdammt lustig an 😆
@@maxmustermann3939 Laaaandskkkknessht 🤣🤣🤣
@@maxmustermann3939 so wie Eichhörnchen
Landschnippen Landschnappen
No problem por spanish speakers. They're called Lansquenetes in spanish.
Can you explain why he did two town centers in feudal? Price wise doesn’t the house cost way less but still counts as “1 building”?
That was a brutal attack backed by a ridiculous villager count lead.
Lesson: dont go into age3 without siege
"Landschnekt" in the thumbnail? Haha nice one Drongo :)
Who else is from germany and had a minor stroke while reading the thumbnail?
Bin mir auch nicht sicher, ob er das nicht doch mit Absicht gemacht hat :D
@@NordicSkadi Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass ers mit Absicht gemacht hat. Hab beim lesen trotzdem gezuckt :D
Schneckt 🤣🤣 Er weiß was er tut
very good game, good commentary. Like that you've stopped dropping the F-bomb and forgetting words, the medication is working.
nicely done. The HRE needed crossbowmen
Dang! I would have loved to see just some crossbows to harass this MAA rather than the landschnect, still tho, nice to see Abassid actually have a viable strat.
Just in case you would actually want try to pronounce Landsknecht. You can slightly pause between lands/knecht. To adjust your tongue since the 'kne' isn't familiar.
So Lands - just like you say it in english, except pronounce the 'a' as you would in 'fAlling'. LAnds.
Drop the K hammer. It comes abruptly and clearly. Directly followed by necht. And the 'ch' is what everyone makes fun of german for. Sounds like an angry cat. Chhhhh. Not sh/sch. Its throaty but can be quite soft. Quick T to end it off.
LAndsKnechht.
That's my best attempt at explaining it. Good luck.
Either way, you'll have me laughing in your next video. ✌️You're doing some awesome gamecasts
This one was really comprehensive and subtle compared to the other comments cheers man
Would this build order work against fighting a civ that puts alot of presure in feudal age like English or France? I dont think you would even be able to get a second tc up right?
do camel archers get bonus damage vs landsknecht
Man, when was the last time HRE won in a 1v1, Drongo? :(
Great cast. Thanks Aussie.
R.I.P to all german teachers 🤣.
i love how you pronounce the Landsknecht, it's so funny lmao (i'm german btw)
It's crazy how often these high ranked players seem to forget to queue their free upgrades when playing Abbasid
Delhi?
@@jozen5384 yeah Delhi, I was totally thrown off by the title and my own inexperience
Drongo why don't you put out more build guides i would love that!
damn, never thought about going MAA into HRE. Given that they just have better MAA it seemed liked a losing strategy. Granted haven't had much luck with other strategies, lol.
think Abbasid should get cheaper fishing boats instead of docks. Also, one more landmark, idc if it doesn't do anything, its just hard when you only have 2 life lines and you can't even hide you house of wisdom cuz of the golden age, and I swear the Camel Archer is broke and way overpriced. The being able to build any sige in the field really don't matter, its still full price and depending can take longer to build then just have 3 or 4 workshops.
4 workshops is 1200 wood
Field building siege is incredibly powerful. Siege are very slow, so field construction helps overcome that weakness
Drongo hates HRE confirmed
By the way, there's no e between the k and n in Landsknecht and the ch is more of a voiceless velar fricative.
One of the very few features modern "English" still kept from actual English is the inability to pronounce "kn". Even when the Danes ruled England, the English couldn't pronounce their now new king's name and instead of Knut they called him Canute.
(Little did they know that only a few decades later, they would be invaded and conquered again, and this time, they would be forced to learn French by the occupying force. The sad result of which was a vernacular pidgin, neither English nor French, neither Romance grammar nor Germanic grammar, which would then be called "Middle English" ...)
ch is still a sound....
Hey drongo do you know why the ranked mode is not open for me?
When do you stream Drongo?
Dude he did nyan cat perfect
A nyancat impersonation for the ages, Drongo
wait is beta still going on I was never able to get into for some reason.
drives me nuts to see pros not stone wall. Theres only 3 spots he has to wall and it only costs 60+60+120, thats 240 less than a TC and ur completely secure till they build seige. By then you're able to build and actually benefit off of triple tc
Exactly especially with those chokepoints its perfect to stonewall and super easy to defend with archers/xbowmen
Breng on the Abbasid buffs
Hate to see HRE not using their Emergency Repairs on Towers and Keeps lol
dang, been playing Abbasid a lot lately and thought 2 TC by 9 minutes was decent but 3 seems greedy, especially for how little he scouted. I did not see any military until 10 minutes, a more aggressive HRE, France, Mongols, or English could have severely punished that. Still, if you can get away with it- not sure what could beat it except a lot of siege and crossbows which HRE by going heavy into farms did not have enough wood to do here.
You are indeed correct. It's not about the Abbasid's MAA being strong. The HRE player lost mainly because he failed to punish a super greedy opponent. And after the Abbasid player has already built up a massive economy, any army comp will work, not just MAAs.
you can get away with this with the booming factions hre and chinese
how can i watch this replay myself?
Mass infantry was a huge misplay, all he had to do was massing crossbows, getting like 2 3 springalds, the knights in the back vs siege was fine too. Just goes to show, landsknecht is amazingly useless and underpowered. It's supposed to counter mass infantry and it can't.
True but it think because hed already build the mass barracks he had to commit into mass infantry pivoting to ranged wouldve taken to long so he was screwed either way.
Love your videos drongo 👏
my man drongo we can see how long the game is from the vid
My OCD - Hearing people claim they have OCD because they don't like something.
hey bro nice gatekeeping and all but i have had diagnosed OCD since childhood x0x0x
Re Landsknecht, drop the K sound. Pretend the letter isn't there. Also Land instead of L + and, it's more like L + ahnd (think British "and" vs Aussie "and"). The "ch" is pronounced closer to an "sh", but it's sort of half way between the two. That's the tricky bit. DW though, drop the K and change the "land" and you're 90% of the way there
didnt think u could get dmca'd for Nyan cat but i guess these days its better to play safe
Do you miswrite Landsknecht by purpose?
try Lance-connect but without pronouncing the o in connect👍🏼 I know german words look like random letters randomly mashed together😆
Gotta drop the C completely though. The K is silent
ayy lets go abbasid lets go drongo
xbow and springald combo would have shut this down pretty fast
Doesn't work without numbers. Abbasid maa can just run at the springalds while mangonels blow up the crossbows. Also, he already teched spears and can just switch instantly.
@@insaneshepherd8678 really? you couldnt kamakazi the springalds into the mango and outrange them in time before the maa burn the springalds into the ground? i think you could. keep your springalds forward and the xbow spaced apart and back and it should work out
@@chrisnewtownnsw You'd need 3 springalds to get any kills on the Mangonels or they can just drive away. So, you're likely trading 3 springalds vs 2 mangonels while your opponent has a massively better eco and can just rebuild in the field. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me even if you can make it work.
I think he lost the game the moment he didn't stone wall up and play for imperial. No way he can hold the Abbasid castle age push on that kind of eco disadvantage.
@@insaneshepherd8678 but for any amount of time the mangos are packed and retreating that is time that the maa are taking huge damage per second from the xbow. I'd like to see this simulation played out as an experiment
Needed to gamble a wololo
Great Video as alway! But can you please look up how to pronaunce LANDSKNECHT, that would make it even better.
Hey now stop sharing my Abbasid secrets
im just a noob, but wouldnt landskencht+ scouts been good here?
Springald + Landschenet would have been better.
@@tadeas_janout thats why i thought scouts
@@dawre3124 scouts cost food, he had no food
the fact that we can run straight to siege and torch it down ignoring the front line and still hold is bugging me... abbasid could get it up back again at the spot.. but imagine the frustration of players who cant... its just annoying...
siege is insanely powerful, every time he killed the mangonels his infantry was already weakened and killed by mostly untouched opponents infantery
HRE maa and landsknecht counter enemy infantery, mangonels were only a bit impactful because he always had at least 2 or 3, they are intended to counter enemy ranged units and maybe spears, not maa
abasid was brute forcing it with insane boom behind this which always works if you manage to get map control
Thats why Abassid can be lethal right from the first age
it is LANDSKNECHT!!!!!!!!!!!
Can we expect a video on the new AOE 3 DE update. You remember the game that launched your channel?
Can you cast with fog off until they fix the Fog bug, I hate watching these because of it but loved watching the winter cast you guys did without fog. I don't mind you turning it on now and then to see who can see what but 80%-90% should be full view. I want to keep track on the mini map what people are doing when you jump away its really annoying. Makes me not able to watch more than like half your videos before it makes me click off. where I watched 100% of the EGCTV casts.
Man please put the names of who you cast on the title or the thumbnail. Thx bro
Landsknecht have aoe damage, they eat those man at arms like breakfast. But it's a low hp unit after all, if they get shot by mangonels it's gg. NYANCAT could have held with some spingalds poteintially.
Stops us seeing the length of game at the beginning, video is 21 mins long....... bit of a clue :)
Match just shows that siege is to strong ...