Dionel is a double edge sword. IF he did not get his buffs, and enemy has vala, dionel is more like deadnel. Another great strategy is Vala + silvie or reiner switch vala or just let vala finish him with 1 strike. Berial is very niche, best on long fights, not good in short ones. Vala... damn! Been using her since 1st hour of game, shes just so strong in both attack and def. She kept me being top 1 on server arena and sector top 1 supreme arena since day 1. Before, I always wonder why shes ranked lower, but it seems like now people see her real power.
What kinda PvP defense would you put Vala on these days? People just bait her with Igor, Thoran, jumped her with Silvana, or bring a stall comp. I think shes pretty figured out if shes on defense unless theres some janky Eirron+Vala comp defenses but thats just Eirron being Eirron. Eirron rolls deep. All are invited on his team xD
Eironn, Odie, Reinier, Scarlita, Thoran and Vala have defined the pvp meta more than any other hero. Sure Odie, Reinier and Vala have more counterplay than the other three, but they are the biggest reason all of you are humping the wall of map 3 with Thoran as your tank and you know it. Absolutely a cut above the S tiers and still firmly in S+ tier. While Talene is a step below Dionel and Scarlita she's still a top tier threat on offense or defense. Her ultimate will absolutely end games and her added utility makes her an excellent addition to any team. Team building around her isn't very difficult either, since double healers have become commonplace for arena defense. Still S+. The original A tier list was much more accurate about indicating how those heroes perform in pvp. The tier is for heroes that are held back by the current meta, are outperformed by another hero or have a niche role as a counter to another hero or strategy. I do agree with Rhys being moved up, but disagree with dropping anyone from the original list. All of them can and do find their way onto teams in SA or as a counter pick in regular arena.
5:50 but that is the reason she is S+, while you can build all 3 supreme arena defenses to play around vala, but the sacrifices that need to be made to unit placements are large enough that your team just lose to non vala teams instead. You are correct that with proper defensive set up vala can be made a non threat but as far as i know those adjust don't come for free in alot of cases which is likely why shes rate S+ as her existence makes other offensive choices stronger.
Good insights. I will say the rankings of units will be slightly different depending on server strength (for example, my F2P server has Ulmus everywhere top 20 while my older one is Dionel centric), but most of these are straightforward and accurate. I will say, though that some of these units are borderliners. For example, Vala might not be S+ but she is as close as you can get. She completely dominates, and if not specifically countered will often still dominate. So while she may be S tier, she's more of a low/psuedo S+ tier imo (same with units like Shakir and Phraesto).
I’ve been using berial+Scarlita to hold the number 2 spot in arena for weeks now. You’re right in saying he doesn’t shine on his own, but if you have the units to support him it’s S+. Zoo stall plus Scarlita is a deadly combo.
I usually just put igor in the back to a map that I know vala users and sillvina users will jump to. That really is only my way of countering them and it works pretty well.
Most of talene's damage comes from her M+ ability actually. In addition, would want shakir as the front line that takes the buff. Doesn't need scarlita at all.
Odie is nerfed too much to be s+. Dionel fell off recently because he is too soft and people are just moving away from arden because scarlita just bursts arden+eiron line ups.
Vala is by far the best PVP hero in the game right now. I'm full F2P and top 10 in the arena only with Vala maxed. The rest of my heroes are not even fully upgraded. So Vala should be in S++ tier 👍👍
I think you're glazing Vala a bit too much. Yes, she is good, but you yourself admitted that she is the only maxed out unit on your account. Investments can really change how good a character is, and on an even playing field, she is nowhere near the best. Good, but not the best
@moviebro64 Again, I'm full F2P $0 invested with only 1 hero maxed. Top 10 in arena winning vs. everyone except vs. top 5 whales who maxed everything. I'm not even using PVP heroes on my team. Lucius, Rowan, Antandra, and Marilee who are around +7 +11. Only Vala is maxed, and she is carrying the whole vs. all meta PVP teams. This is why Vala is S++.
@@itemtest1 yea i understand you're f2p. But the arguement im making is that if every hero was maxed out like on most whale accounts, Vala wouldnt be the best. Most whales you find run pretty much eironn comps with cele/hypos cuz those are objectively the better units. Again she is good, and hey its great she carried you through content but if we are speaking objectively, shes not the best.
@moviebro64 She was already doing that before maxing her out. But now she just one shots their backline, making Eironn teams pretty much useless against her. With Eironn, you need 5 specific heroes with +10 +15 weapons. Vala is the easy way. Get her +10 +15 and put her on any random team. She will instantly upgrade those teams. Unfortunately, this game has heavy power creep and very limited resources for upgrading unique weapons. Even right now, Vala is the only hero I got past +15. But still, I'm top 10-20 rank in everything on my server as full F2P. Instead of copying those whales use easier ways to dominate the server.
@@itemtest1 Your server sounds new. It was like that for me too until my server started to uhhh catch up? My Vala was my most invested hero and did all the carrying but when people started to invest into a balanced diet, I find it hard to get much done atleast on defense. All it takes is Igor or a stall comp and Vala isn't really killing anything.
@@ILoveU Highly invested doesn't mean anything. Cecia or Carolina linked to Thoran is enough to keep her occupied and they don't die because they take -15% damage vs Lightbringers. I beat paragon Vala's like this all the time. She can beat Maulers easy because of her +15% damage to them so I'm not surprised she bodies them. Nobody who knows how the game works is going to try and takn Vala with a Mauler tho.
@@ILoveU dude I'm telling you, you can argue all you want but I beat ppl who have paragon Valas on defense all the time, lol. I like to target them specifically actually.
@@ILoveU A Vala defense can usually be countered with just Igor alone. It makes the fight more of a 5v4 with Vala wasting time and Igor actually softening up the enemies. If you're really stressed about killing Vala instantly, Silvana devours her with faction advantage. Vala won't fight back and will just let Silvana kill her. Also shes stunned so theres that lol. Thoran can bait her if you wanna go that route. Any variant of Scarlita stall team. List goes on. Maybe you got an Eirron or Thoran on your def as well cuz that seems kinda sus. I love Vala and have her just as strong as you do but I can admit a Vala focused defense is not her place anymore. The first month she was out, she was the goddess everywhere but after PvP became Eirron and friends, people learned how to deal with her real quick. Now if we talking offense, I love rolling with 5 sec Rush comps like Vala&Silvana, Scarlita, Shakir+Seth. That puts a lot of stuff down but I ain't trying to set that as my defense.
Agree she is not meta for defense. I dont see her in my district rank 20 and above. Whenever someone tries her for defense i see her as points. I just put any tanky hero to keep het occupied.
Dionel is a double edge sword. IF he did not get his buffs, and enemy has vala, dionel is more like deadnel. Another great strategy is Vala + silvie or reiner switch vala or just let vala finish him with 1 strike.
Berial is very niche, best on long fights, not good in short ones.
Vala... damn! Been using her since 1st hour of game, shes just so strong in both attack and def. She kept me being top 1 on server arena and sector top 1 supreme arena since day 1. Before, I always wonder why shes ranked lower, but it seems like now people see her real power.
What kinda PvP defense would you put Vala on these days? People just bait her with Igor, Thoran, jumped her with Silvana, or bring a stall comp. I think shes pretty figured out if shes on defense unless theres some janky Eirron+Vala comp defenses but thats just Eirron being Eirron. Eirron rolls deep. All are invited on his team xD
Eironn, Odie, Reinier, Scarlita, Thoran and Vala have defined the pvp meta more than any other hero. Sure Odie, Reinier and Vala have more counterplay than the other three, but they are the biggest reason all of you are humping the wall of map 3 with Thoran as your tank and you know it. Absolutely a cut above the S tiers and still firmly in S+ tier.
While Talene is a step below Dionel and Scarlita she's still a top tier threat on offense or defense. Her ultimate will absolutely end games and her added utility makes her an excellent addition to any team. Team building around her isn't very difficult either, since double healers have become commonplace for arena defense. Still S+.
The original A tier list was much more accurate about indicating how those heroes perform in pvp. The tier is for heroes that are held back by the current meta, are outperformed by another hero or have a niche role as a counter to another hero or strategy. I do agree with Rhys being moved up, but disagree with dropping anyone from the original list. All of them can and do find their way onto teams in SA or as a counter pick in regular arena.
5:50 but that is the reason she is S+, while you can build all 3 supreme arena defenses to play around vala, but the sacrifices that need to be made to unit placements are large enough that your team just lose to non vala teams instead.
You are correct that with proper defensive set up vala can be made a non threat but as far as i know those adjust don't come for free in alot of cases which is likely why shes rate S+ as her existence makes other offensive choices stronger.
Good content, I would try to make a comparison Tier list in the video for summirization purpose for easy viewer experience, keep up the good work!
Good insights. I will say the rankings of units will be slightly different depending on server strength (for example, my F2P server has Ulmus everywhere top 20 while my older one is Dionel centric), but most of these are straightforward and accurate.
I will say, though that some of these units are borderliners. For example, Vala might not be S+ but she is as close as you can get. She completely dominates, and if not specifically countered will often still dominate. So while she may be S tier, she's more of a low/psuedo S+ tier imo (same with units like Shakir and Phraesto).
I’ve been using berial+Scarlita to hold the number 2 spot in arena for weeks now.
You’re right in saying he doesn’t shine on his own, but if you have the units to support him it’s S+. Zoo stall plus Scarlita is a deadly combo.
I usually warp odie to the back using Reinier....usually wins be a good number of games.
I usually just put igor in the back to a map that I know vala users and sillvina users will jump to. That really is only my way of countering them and it works pretty well.
Most of talene's damage comes from her M+ ability actually. In addition, would want shakir as the front line that takes the buff. Doesn't need scarlita at all.
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Odie is nerfed too much to be s+. Dionel fell off recently because he is too soft and people are just moving away from arden because scarlita just bursts arden+eiron line ups.
Vala is by far the best PVP hero in the game right now. I'm full F2P and top 10 in the arena only with Vala maxed. The rest of my heroes are not even fully upgraded. So Vala should be in S++ tier 👍👍
I think you're glazing Vala a bit too much. Yes, she is good, but you yourself admitted that she is the only maxed out unit on your account. Investments can really change how good a character is, and on an even playing field, she is nowhere near the best. Good, but not the best
@moviebro64 Again, I'm full F2P $0 invested with only 1 hero maxed. Top 10 in arena winning vs. everyone except vs. top 5 whales who maxed everything. I'm not even using PVP heroes on my team. Lucius, Rowan, Antandra, and Marilee who are around +7 +11. Only Vala is maxed, and she is carrying the whole vs. all meta PVP teams. This is why Vala is S++.
@@itemtest1 yea i understand you're f2p. But the arguement im making is that if every hero was maxed out like on most whale accounts, Vala wouldnt be the best. Most whales you find run pretty much eironn comps with cele/hypos cuz those are objectively the better units. Again she is good, and hey its great she carried you through content but if we are speaking objectively, shes not the best.
@moviebro64 She was already doing that before maxing her out. But now she just one shots their backline, making Eironn teams pretty much useless against her.
With Eironn, you need 5 specific heroes with +10 +15 weapons.
Vala is the easy way. Get her +10 +15 and put her on any random team. She will instantly upgrade those teams.
Unfortunately, this game has heavy power creep and very limited resources for upgrading unique weapons. Even right now, Vala is the only hero I got past +15. But still, I'm top 10-20 rank in everything on my server as full F2P. Instead of copying those whales use easier ways to dominate the server.
@@itemtest1 Your server sounds new. It was like that for me too until my server started to uhhh catch up? My Vala was my most invested hero and did all the carrying but when people started to invest into a balanced diet, I find it hard to get much done atleast on defense. All it takes is Igor or a stall comp and Vala isn't really killing anything.
I love seeing Vala on defense because it almost always means it's an insta-win for me.
@@ILoveU Highly invested doesn't mean anything. Cecia or Carolina linked to Thoran is enough to keep her occupied and they don't die because they take -15% damage vs Lightbringers. I beat paragon Vala's like this all the time.
She can beat Maulers easy because of her +15% damage to them so I'm not surprised she bodies them. Nobody who knows how the game works is going to try and takn Vala with a Mauler tho.
@@ILoveU dude I'm telling you, you can argue all you want but I beat ppl who have paragon Valas on defense all the time, lol. I like to target them specifically actually.
I'll watch your vala kill my p4 igor@@ILoveU
@@ILoveU A Vala defense can usually be countered with just Igor alone. It makes the fight more of a 5v4 with Vala wasting time and Igor actually softening up the enemies. If you're really stressed about killing Vala instantly, Silvana devours her with faction advantage. Vala won't fight back and will just let Silvana kill her. Also shes stunned so theres that lol. Thoran can bait her if you wanna go that route. Any variant of Scarlita stall team. List goes on. Maybe you got an Eirron or Thoran on your def as well cuz that seems kinda sus.
I love Vala and have her just as strong as you do but I can admit a Vala focused defense is not her place anymore. The first month she was out, she was the goddess everywhere but after PvP became Eirron and friends, people learned how to deal with her real quick. Now if we talking offense, I love rolling with 5 sec Rush comps like Vala&Silvana, Scarlita, Shakir+Seth. That puts a lot of stuff down but I ain't trying to set that as my defense.
Agree she is not meta for defense. I dont see her in my district rank 20 and above. Whenever someone tries her for defense i see her as points. I just put any tanky hero to keep het occupied.
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Fromy understanding, if a unit has a hard counter (thoran counters odie, vala counters back end tank) it warrants an s vs s+?
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