To clarify my comment on metric threading. In the last year I have finally been seeing metric threads coming into the picture more. This is the exact reason why I bought the new Lion Lathe as it is metric capable. I hate metric, mostly because I am not great with it yet. As with anything, practice will improve this. In the US we don't have metric lead screws so it makes it significantly harder. Again, it will get better with practice. I still hate metric, ad 99.9% of the jobs I see are standard. Almost all of my customers design in inch, metric is extremely rare here.
welcome to the rest of the worlds gripe but in reverse. All of our machines need to be capable of imperial threads and feeds due to the random and odd job coming in that requires imperial. As an apprentice, we had to learn both metric and Imp. You hate metric? well the rest of the world hates imperial just as much.
Yeah. Sibling is a factory maintenance mechanic-machinist (in other words, a mechanic who is vaguely capable of making simple parts to 'it aint pretty but it should work' tolerances in a baby machine shop in the corner) and all the stuff that's starting to break now is metric - all the imperial stuff is either gone or the real survivors on the far end of the bathtub curve.
The way I see it, machinists measuring stuff in thou ("thousands of an inch") is already halfway there. You guys were the first to realize that incremental operations like machining or lathe work don't really work that well when trying to express it as a power-of-two fraction. Which is what metric is actually all about. The inch itself already has a metric definition of 25.4mm. And as a machinist, you might also recognize the beauty by which you can simply order your 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, ... tools instead of 1/16, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8 inches.
Metric is crap for machinists. Great for mechanics wrenches. I do both and imperial is better for machining and metrology. .001" is perfect for most everything .0001" for fine work is just right. The resolution of the metric system is clumsy and impractical, forcing machinists to count by 5's or 2's or some crap in between. .1mm is too big .01mm is too small and .001mm is way too small. The use of commas is idiotic, I'm sure they did that just to be "different", very french. Not to mention that thread chasing dials are near impossible on metric lathes, which are standard in imperial lathes, because metric threads are not whole fractions of the master lead screw. Most people don't know it but UN threads of UNC UNF UNEF are designed to give an increase in fastener strength of 15% between each grade. Metric threads do not have such a thing because their pitch availability is so awkward and the bodies that set the standards have never been able to agree on what pitches should be used. There are pitches used by DIN that are not used by JIS etc and vs vs.
@@billshiff2060 Talking about .001" increments being a benefit of the imperial system, completely missing the point. I think in the whole history of machining AND metrology has no one ever missed the point as hard as you.
If you get mice in the fall or anytime. A good mouser cat is what you need. My second cat was a barn cat. I got her when she was a kitten. She was the most friendly cat I ever looked after. At the Vet for some unknown reason,she became Devil Cat would go ballistic. She was also an excellent mouser. She would regularly catch house flys in flight. Every fall we would always get nice. There was a huge salt marsh across the street from my house. One time our Tortoise Shell cat named KitKat waited at our stove for over a hour. She patiently waited for the mouse to show itself . She brought the mouse to our TV room. She tortured the mouse for at least 15 minutes and then ate it. I felt horrible for the mouse. But it’s a Cats natural instinct to play with mice before they eat them. I was heartbroken when she died. Anyway I also really like all your videos. I sometimes forget but always try to remember to tap the like button.
Josh, Amen to keeping the other businesses running. I like your small business work ethic. This is the same ethic I've used over the past 50+ years of my work life. My wife didn't always and still doesn't understand why something has to be done now and not tomorrow.
Bad condition of the old considered the new one looks better than my vision of the old one when it was new. You are a skilled clever and street smart man. I teach AC and always explain heat transfer via conduction, radiation and convection. I had a goalpost moment when you brought out the fact you always machine, cool and then when cool measure. That is street smarts my friend. You understand the metal, it's thermal properties and how heat moves in the part. I enjoy your channel now so much and subscribed. Your wonderful slightly Wisconsin accent makes the videos even more friendly and enjoyable. You are now in my top 3 and I will be looking to catch up on older content as well as checking frequently for new! Excited about craftsmanship and Topper Machine in Alabama!!!!
I appreciate how satisfying it must be to help a customer get their business back up to full operation. I'm sure you will be receiving many more emergency jobs like this because the supply chain will not be coming back to normalcy anytime soon. Great job. Your videos are always very satisfying.
It is very satisfying, unfortunately it is not steady work. Even with the supply chain shortages, most of my customers are struggling to stay open. Sad world we live in.
This is how we have excelled as a country for 2 centuries. Our craftsmen and their skills built the Chrysler Building, Empire State, Hoover Dam and other marvels without lasers, computers, GPS or other golly gosh whiz bang tricks. The computer they used was between their ears with simple instruments some of which have been used by sailors for millenniums such as sextants built America using the skills of artisans. Not the AI rage as we seem to be going head long for now. Make men and women smart again. DO NOT let AI train AI with the knowledge men and women have amassed over millenniums. Keep the human mind as the source of inspired and impressive knowledge. Topper and his work ethic demonstrate how important that is!
As usual well done job. Your videos are very interesting. You do a lot of one off jobs. Jobs that many machine shops would not be interested in .You definitely saved this company a lot of money. By not having to wait 13 weeks for the manufacturer to make this part. I’ve noticed that many of the parts you manufacture are either obsolete or extremely costly from the manufacturer. Please keep up with making videos.
I love all threads including metric. I enjoy it. You know you can disengage at the shoulder on metric too? You just have to disconnect the half nut in the relief, shut the spindle off, and don't touch the carriage. Then back out the cross slide, put it in reverse and hit the exact same number on the thread diall to bring the carriage back to the start. The key is never move the carriage after you disengage the half nut and make sure you hit the same number on the dial when going in reverse. It works I do it all the time on lathes with a brake not clutches if I'm worried about hitting the shoulder.
Love watching your show but I cant help but smile when I noticed that your machines all seem to be way too short. Either you are very tall or your machines are very short. Keep up the great work.
I been a machinist for 35 years doing both imperial and metric what I see a lot of on RUclips is a lot of people turn the shaft and machine both ends I was always taught to machine in one to keep everything concentric no one use left hand tools to machine back from the chuck keep up the videos 😊
I am not a machinist but it is interesting to watch you work. I am glad that you were able to help this customer out by making the needed part. It sure is a bind when production comes to a stop because of one part. Thanks for the video and thanks for coming to their rescue. 😃😃😃
Josh, good old Keith in Michigan. I read your comments, and I must agree with what he said. With the machinery I Overhauled, Installed on and on. It all came from Europe, 80% or my career was working with Metric and began hated dealing with Imperial. Hey, I'm a cat lover. Aren't them so independent. See ya....
Josh, for a lathe like yours without a brake, I would disengage the half nuts like normal, kill the lathe, restart in reverse, and then catch the same number going out. So long as it's always the same exact spot and you don't lose what rotation you are on, then you're good to go. You probably know this. If not, works well for metric to a shoulder. Noah
Rocky likes to go to work. Loved that intro. I think that metric is fine and its easy to understand. However (never start a sentence with however) I grew up with both so maybe its easier for me. I think it really depends on what you are used to.
He just started doing this a few months back. It's cute. He has his bed by the front door and the futon upstairs. He is up there in years, so we keep him comfortable and happy.
Glad to see you back. I have a metric lead screw lathe - makes doing metric easy for me - a bugger on imperial threads. In Australia they changed us over to metric a few years ago, although there are still a lot of imperial threads still kicking about, even in new machinery. I got a new Bridgeport clone mill, it is internal threaded in imperial, found out the hard way, bought a Z axis power drive ordered metric threads.
In Australia the metric system became standard in the 1960s ... Not a few years ago. Metric is more accurate and easier to work with than imperial. America's system of length measurement is based on the metre and before any of us were born... It's time the US started using metric like the rest of the planet.
you’ve gone along way in convincing me I could hang up a shingle And take on some of these simple jobs I sure would like to have a milling machine though before I started excepting anybody’s jobs. Thanks Josh
I know I make it look easy, but I've been at it 10 years and finally making some headway. Most of the world is stupid and think you need CNC to make anything. Try convincing a new potential customer otherwise is the hard part.
Kimber, I would not out and out say this is a simple job. Straight forward, yes. But being productive and hitting your numbers and geo takes experience and knowing your machine. I occasionally run bigger work like this, and it takes a mindset and concentration over and above what the small work does. Not to mention the power of that big lathe and kill you quick. I never fall in to the mind trap of thinking a job is simple. If I do, I would surely blow a number or worse, get sloppy and get hurt on the lathe. Josh makes it look easy. And it is if you have done it a bunch. I know that you are getting comfortable with your P&W and that's awesome. Play with some big shafts and get a feel for the dynamics of the job, and really create a thought process for a work plan sequence. Notice how Josh zeros his DRO at different times, and switches between rough caliper and fine mic measurements. The cooling when NOT running trick is neat. I never thought of that myself. But much less mess, and I hate coolant mess. Anyhow, keep it up and be safe and always approach a job with a serious plan. I myself get a little lax and lazy using the small Hardinge HLV lathe. But a 20" lathe is no joke. We all need to keep this in mind. Peace. ----Doozer
Suggestion for those metric stub threads where you have to pray the lathe coasts down before you hit the shoulder: do it the Joe Pie school of threading way. Flip the tool upside down and put the lathe into reverse. Now you are threading toward the tailstock, away from the shoulder, and only have to worry about accidentally trying to thread the tailstock. :-)
@@punishr36 Your problem is clearly getting personal in every one of your comments. People are actually able to grasp concepts, especially when you stop insulting them. Maybe work on that. And engaging/disengaging the half nut for threading is standard procedure.
@@graealex Run the lathe in reverse leave the nut engaged regardless of what pitch again unless it is a very long thread. Flipping the tool upside down only works if the threading tool has a constant undercut and does not work for a shouldered part and which is another pointless setup which takes time. It's no different than thread grinding. I merely stated that lathe hands don't use the nut and you got your nose out of joint. I wasn't even talking to you. You are not a machinist. You are probably a hobbyist and deffinetely a troll as again I was not speaking to you.
Have you ever tried thread-cutting from left to right with the lathe running in reverse and the tool upside down to help do away with the anxiety of crashing? It is slick. The only concern would be if the chuck easily unscrews.
That tap looked like a hand tap. A spiral point tap works great for power tapping. Just speaking from 32 years in tool and die work. Enjoy your videos.
It was, and I had some spiral point ordered. Problem is that nothing comes next day here and I needed it done fast. Got the job done and have 3 new taps that came almost a week later.
That's Peddinghaus for you. In their defense, they do make top notch metalworking equipment, but their service and repair and programming/learning resources, and flying techs and parts in from Germany, don't lend to quick and/or easy turnaround on downed equipment... the people who sent this work to Topper are similar to the people I know who use Peddinghaus... they only deal with them when it's absolutely necessary... and Topper could probably easily make 2 of these shafts for less than the price of the Peddinghaus replacement in a fraction of the time... Topper simply beats them in both money and time economics, which is kind of laughable to such a company with a global reputation who built the machine! But it's not much different than having to find aftermarket parts for a 15 y/o auto because the OEM isn't interested in anything but selling new cars... the way of the world.
Doing what you do best Josh, getting customers back in operation, ref threading, depends what calibration of leadscrew you have! Great work and thanks for sharing. Regards John
Rescues are not always dramatic as in being on the 6 o'clock news but in your case Josh your skill and experience is a great deal of the equation but what many overlook is you need to have the correct tooling and machines for the job, however, no matter the machine shop situation you have to have the material to make the component, and depending on how much you have you may not have enough to overcome an "oopsy", it all adds up .
It has taken me a lot of years and money to get to the point of being able to do these jobs. Piles of tiling and materials on the racks, in storage, etc. Especially in my region where nothing is available and everything else is a couple hour drive to get.
Thanks for the videos! ...I have not owned a lathe for very many work hours of ownership but have had one for a while.(farm use and hobby) I am afraid to power tap or power thread(dies) anything for fear of destroying taps and dies. The broken tap will end up stuck in my new hole forever and i would have to remake the part!
I have been doing it for so many years, and I have had tons of broken taps. biggest thing is to listen for it to start binding and stop. If it sounds off, it probably is. Worse case, you wind up with a broken tap and have to start over on the part.
@@ssboot5663 Yes, hand taps are designed different from machine taps. They’re tapered on the end for ease in starting and have straight flutes. Machine taps have short spiral flutes on the starting end for a smoother “shearing” cut that greatly reduces torque and breakage. Use quality taps, low speed, and plenty of lubricant. It never hurts to go slightly larger on tap drill size, especially in stainless and tough alloy steels. Sharp taps with no worn or broken teeth are a must.
A good job, well done. I am not a machinist but wondered why you cut the thread relief after you cut your threads. I know you had your reason, but never saw this... Good job
Very nice work on the shaft Josh. I remember when you got the lathe, and it sure shows. You have truly become one with the machine. The lathe and your skills are awesome. I like your old Johnson saw. My brother purchased one of them back in the summer. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.
Well done, the RUclips “Cutting Edge Engineering Australia” likes to say for an inch = Banana so 3 inch stock is 3 bananas !!!! 😅😅😅 Metric is the way to go, you are going to run into more and more metrics. All new cars and trucks are metrics now even here in the US and I have been running into all metrics in the electronics industry. And I have been in the electronics industry since the 70’s and I am always learning new ideas. Remember to keep an open mind, I have been changing from a tube TV’s and radios to tiny CPU’s and microcircuits over a 50 yr of being in the industry. Only area that has not changed is residential electrical work except the NEC. 73’s N2JYG
Greg from northern Michigan. Smaller machine shops like yours with older equipment and lower overhead costs are the real lifesavers for many larger size firms. I hope these customers value your shop and skill set with repeat business. Without you, longer lead time parts may bankrupt these firms. Do you charge a higher shop rate for emergency time critical services like this ? If not, you should ... many firms.
As long as your chuck and lead screw are spinning in the same direction you like always make rh threads. So you could feed away from the part if needed.
Now that you've come to their rescue, hopefully they won't complain about your rush job pricing or take 60-90 days to pay the invoice. I've had that happen more than once after getting a customer out of a jamb.
When that happens, that customer is remembered and charged significantly more the next time. This particular customer pays in 10 days and has helped me out many times too. They get a much more reasonable price.
This was a cool project and it is good to have a shop cat. Everything over here is metric which is not helpful when all our old equipment is not. It is even getting hard to even buy non metric spanners (wrenches) and we have to buy some of our fixings from the US
@@TopperMachineLLC It’s easy to convert all the metric dimensions to Imperial. Metric / 25.4 = Imperial. From inches to metric is; Imperial X 25..4 = Metric. 2.375 (Imperial) x 25.4 = 60.325 mm.
@@Sketch1994 I wish I was confident with technology. I bought a brand-new CNC plasma cutter last year for my workshop. After three months of frustration, I gave up and shoved it into the corner. Can’t get my head around the computer programming stuff. I was told it would be simple and easy to learn. It wasn’t.
@@davidcat1455 The control layout makes a huge difference in ease of operation and the knowledge level required, while cheaper stuff are meant to work by cobbling random tech stuff together anyways. I hope you didn't buy a lemon but I've seen tons of sheet processing machines with a workflow of 30 minutes from design to program to setup to part
Break down work can be good paying but you have to be able to think on your feet, come up with solutions and work arounds to get the jobs done. Understanding orders of operations, material types and understand how the part is used is very important. Unfortunately those skills are not common now days.
Knowing the application and your customer is half the battle, the rest I can do no problem. You are totally correct, it's a dying skill set. I am the last shop of my kind within a 75 mile radius. 5 in the last 3 years closed due to retirement, all friends and mentors.
Great vid again Josh. Nice to see you come over to the metric Darkside now and then. PS, I think you were in a rush when you did your thumbnail lol.. Emergeny?
Hey Josh, don't know if you're looking at comments on older videos. I totally get the need to cool the part before final machining for a proper bearing fit - but why not run the coolant while cutting? Is it because it makes a freakin' mess or for some other reason?
Hey Josh , here's a quick tip for metric screw cutting on an imperial leadscrew . You can disengage , reverse the lathe & reengage on the same number as long as the spindle has not rotated more than revolution . A piece of piss !!! 👍
I grew up with imperial. Then Australia went metric. I can work with both, but I mainly use metric when measuring with a tape measure. But I can never get around a person's height in CM. Tell me in feet and inches and I know how tall they are. We used to use stones and pounds for weight, but metric weight in Kg is a lot easier. Bearings are nearly always metric, but I had a manual transmission that took a bearing that was metric outside and imperial inside. Never seen that before. Even though Australia is metric, some things are imperial and will never change. Try finding a metric tire. If you get a new car that takes metric tires, it's way cheaper to buy new wheels and imperial tires. I knew someone in this situation.
I had a black cat that could catch hummingbirds. We called her HellOn cuz she was hell on 4 paws. We learned it’s hard to catch a hummingbird in the house.
Thanks Josh, another great video. Don't be afraid of going metric. I started off hating it when it was first introduced (into Australia) but I actually found it much easier once I got used to it. Question: Why did you cut the thread relief after cutting the thread?
Well, the reason most of the world uses metric is because it actually is easier. This shows particularly when machinists talk about "taking another 5 thou off" - while that thousands is based on an inch, that is actually a metric way to express a distance or a thickness, as a decimal point. So the impedance mismatch between large diameters expressed as for example (2 1/4" stock) and expressing smaller incremental operations (40 thou) already exists for all people working with imperial, while it is non-existent in the metric world.
Question. Why not turn down the chewed up section to whatever and heat shrink a sleeve onto it and turn it to original size? - Save a ton of work unless there is a reason I don't know about. (We do that here all the time)
The finish on that 1045 looks really nice. Does it machine considerably nicer than 1018? Gotta chuckle about the tapping tribulations! Been there done that!
@@TopperMachineLLC Thanks! Still learning all this stuff. Yes, gummy describes 1018 very well. I’ve worked with Stressproof; wonderful stuff to turn compared to 1018.
Impossible to tell but i wonder if somebody greased the bearing zirc without wiping the grime off first or pumping and wiping clean the grease gun connector.
An idea. Would modifying the chuck key similar to your wrench for the 3 jaw be difficult? I would think longer t-handle would give better clamping on cutter [lessening slippage, tool life, yadda yadda]
I noticed that you use 1045, is that your standard that you keep on hand for these types of projects? Also, based on the surface it looked like it must’ve been hardened. I’m new to this so kind of trying to figure out what I need to keep on hand.
What's your thoughts on helical cut taps that bring the swarf out the top of your hole? I had never used one until 2 years ago, (I'm 77). Now I don't want to tap anything without one.
I use them. Just they get much more expensive the bigger you go. For repair work, it just doesn't make sense. It's not too often I do new stuff like this.
MR. TOPPLER, LOVE THE VIDEOS. TIRED OF ALL THESE OTHER SO CALLED MACHINERISTS THAT WANT TO USE THESE CMC CRAPS. SO GLAD TO SEE YOUR DOING IT THE OLD WAY HOSS. THE WAY GOD INTENDED IT TO BE. I JUST HAVE ONE RECOMMENDATION HOSS, WE HAVE GOT TO GET YOU A COMB. THAT HAIR IS WAY TOO WILD TO LOOK PROFESIONAL. THANKS AGAIN MR TOPPLER FOR KEEPING THE GOOD VIDEOS COMING OUT. GOD BLESS, JACK JOHNSON
I like your videos. I feel the same way you do about metric. Would have liked to see you thread that part, some people turn their tool over and run the lathe in reverse, did You ? I always wonder where the people making the videos are from. (I am from western Washington. Anyway good job Thanks
@@TopperMachineLLC Actually I glued a valve seat into a welder motor one time It was still working last I saw it. Likely put 40 hrs on that engine after my bush fix.
@@roddraper9921 sometimes those temporary repairs hold for years. Then it fails again and you remember doing it but forgot to fix it right and wonder how it worked this long. Lom
We are still in the metric fight even after many years there is still confusion. Timber is actually cut to a metric size, but if I ask for 50 * 100 I often get blank looks so it's 4 *2. Then they sell it by a metric length! Petrol is in litres but distance in miles. beer in pints but milk in well depends where you by it. still at least we don't have the confusion of gallons imperial verses USA.
With a crucial part like this, would it be worth having one readymade on your shelf- if it is a part that fails on ‘regular’ basis? Greetings from Tasmania Australia 🛠👍🇦🇺🦘
So would 1045 be acceptable for most industrial shafting applications? Trying to get setup to do some shaft repair work for some local companies with conveyors and trying to find some kind of industry standard for material selection but its all over the board. Is it kind of a best judgement scenario? I realize production work there is going to be some form of hardening process sometimes...sometimes maybe not. Is there any solid documentation of literature out there on this subject that is not academic and more applicable to a profit driven operation?
We have a cat that is scared of ladders. If she hears a ladder in the next room, she hides. Thunderstorms are worse. Usual hiding place during a storm is under the bed. Most unusual cat I've ever had. Her mother is more of a normal cat. They both live inside, as we have a wooded property (5 acres), so we want to protect the wildlife (birds and reptiles).
To clarify my comment on metric threading. In the last year I have finally been seeing metric threads coming into the picture more. This is the exact reason why I bought the new Lion Lathe as it is metric capable. I hate metric, mostly because I am not great with it yet. As with anything, practice will improve this. In the US we don't have metric lead screws so it makes it significantly harder. Again, it will get better with practice. I still hate metric, ad 99.9% of the jobs I see are standard. Almost all of my customers design in inch, metric is extremely rare here.
welcome to the rest of the worlds gripe but in reverse. All of our machines need to be capable of imperial threads and feeds due to the random and odd job coming in that requires imperial. As an apprentice, we had to learn both metric and Imp. You hate metric? well the rest of the world hates imperial just as much.
Yeah. Sibling is a factory maintenance mechanic-machinist (in other words, a mechanic who is vaguely capable of making simple parts to 'it aint pretty but it should work' tolerances in a baby machine shop in the corner) and all the stuff that's starting to break now is metric - all the imperial stuff is either gone or the real survivors on the far end of the bathtub curve.
The way I see it, machinists measuring stuff in thou ("thousands of an inch") is already halfway there. You guys were the first to realize that incremental operations like machining or lathe work don't really work that well when trying to express it as a power-of-two fraction. Which is what metric is actually all about. The inch itself already has a metric definition of 25.4mm.
And as a machinist, you might also recognize the beauty by which you can simply order your 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, ... tools instead of 1/16, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8 inches.
Metric is crap for machinists. Great for mechanics wrenches. I do both and
imperial is better for machining and metrology. .001" is perfect for most
everything .0001" for fine work is just right. The resolution of the metric
system is clumsy and impractical, forcing machinists to count by 5's or 2's or
some crap in between. .1mm is too big .01mm is too small and .001mm is way too
small. The use of commas is idiotic, I'm sure they did that just to be
"different", very french. Not to mention that thread chasing dials are near
impossible on metric lathes, which are standard in imperial lathes, because
metric threads are not whole fractions of the master lead screw.
Most people don't know it but UN threads of UNC UNF UNEF are designed to give an increase in fastener strength of 15% between each grade. Metric threads do not have such a thing because their pitch availability is so awkward and the bodies that set the standards have never been able to agree on what pitches should be used. There are pitches used by DIN that are not used by JIS etc and vs vs.
@@billshiff2060 Talking about .001" increments being a benefit of the imperial system, completely missing the point. I think in the whole history of machining AND metrology has no one ever missed the point as hard as you.
If you get mice in the fall or anytime. A good mouser cat is what you need. My second cat was a barn cat. I got her when she was a kitten. She was the most friendly cat I ever looked after. At the Vet for some unknown reason,she became Devil Cat would go ballistic. She was also an excellent mouser. She would regularly catch house flys in flight. Every fall we would always get nice. There was a huge salt marsh across the street from my house. One time our Tortoise Shell cat named KitKat waited at our stove for over a hour. She patiently waited for the mouse to show itself . She brought the mouse to our TV room. She tortured the mouse for at least 15 minutes and then ate it. I felt horrible for the mouse. But it’s a Cats natural instinct to play with mice before they eat them. I was heartbroken when she died. Anyway I also really like all your videos. I sometimes forget but always try to remember to tap the like button.
That's what a "job shop" is all about. Doing what needs to be done to keep things moving. And you'll have a customer for life.....Dave
Josh, Amen to keeping the other businesses running. I like your small business work ethic. This is the same ethic I've used over the past 50+ years of my work life. My wife didn't always and still doesn't understand why something has to be done now and not tomorrow.
Bad condition of the old considered the new one looks better than my vision of the old one when it was new. You are a skilled clever and street smart man. I teach AC and always explain heat transfer via conduction, radiation and convection. I had a goalpost moment when you brought out the fact you always machine, cool and then when cool measure. That is street smarts my friend. You understand the metal, it's thermal properties and how heat moves in the part. I enjoy your channel now so much and subscribed. Your wonderful slightly Wisconsin accent makes the videos even more friendly and enjoyable. You are now in my top 3 and I will be looking to catch up on older content as well as checking frequently for new! Excited about craftsmanship and Topper Machine in Alabama!!!!
I appreciate how satisfying it must be to help a customer get their business back up to full operation. I'm sure you will be receiving many more emergency jobs like this because the supply chain will not be coming back to normalcy anytime soon. Great job. Your videos are always very satisfying.
It is very satisfying, unfortunately it is not steady work. Even with the supply chain shortages, most of my customers are struggling to stay open. Sad world we live in.
We need more people like him,.helping out the community at smaller price and time.
This is how we have excelled as a country for 2 centuries. Our craftsmen and their skills built the Chrysler Building, Empire State, Hoover Dam and other marvels without lasers, computers, GPS or other golly gosh whiz bang tricks. The computer they used was between their ears with simple instruments some of which have been used by sailors for millenniums such as sextants built America using the skills of artisans. Not the AI rage as we seem to be going head long for now. Make men and women smart again. DO NOT let AI train AI with the knowledge men and women have amassed over millenniums. Keep the human mind as the source of inspired and impressive knowledge. Topper and his work ethic demonstrate how important that is!
As usual well done job. Your videos are very interesting. You do a lot of one off jobs. Jobs that many machine shops would not be interested in .You definitely saved this company a lot of money. By not having to wait 13 weeks for the manufacturer to make this part. I’ve noticed that many of the parts you manufacture are either obsolete or extremely costly from the manufacturer. Please keep up with making videos.
I love all threads including metric. I enjoy it. You know you can disengage at the shoulder on metric too? You just have to disconnect the half nut in the relief, shut the spindle off, and don't touch the carriage. Then back out the cross slide, put it in reverse and hit the exact same number on the thread diall to bring the carriage back to the start. The key is never move the carriage after you disengage the half nut and make sure you hit the same number on the dial when going in reverse. It works I do it all the time on lathes with a brake not clutches if I'm worried about hitting the shoulder.
Clicking on thumbs up didn't seem to be enough. You're a great lad!
Wished i had that dirty old johnson saw. They are a great saw.
Thank you Josh for the subscription.
I really appreciate that.
Take care, Ed.
Love watching your show but I cant help but smile when I noticed that your machines all seem to be way too short. Either you are very tall or your machines are very short. Keep up the great work.
I been a machinist for 35 years doing both imperial and metric what I see a lot of on RUclips is a lot of people turn the shaft and machine both ends I was always taught to machine in one to keep everything concentric no one use left hand tools to machine back from the chuck keep up the videos 😊
I am not a machinist but it is interesting to watch you work. I am glad that you were able to help this customer out by making the needed part. It sure is a bind when production comes to a stop because of one part. Thanks for the video and thanks for coming to their rescue. 😃😃😃
They were sure hurting. These guys have been a great asset to me as well. So when they go down, I drop everything to help them out.
Josh, good old Keith in Michigan. I read your comments, and I must agree with what he said. With the machinery I Overhauled, Installed on and on. It all came from Europe, 80% or my career was working with Metric and began hated dealing with Imperial. Hey, I'm a cat lover. Aren't them so independent. See ya....
Great video again...better than watching anything on TV!
Josh, for a lathe like yours without a brake, I would disengage the half nuts like normal, kill the lathe, restart in reverse, and then catch the same number going out. So long as it's always the same exact spot and you don't lose what rotation you are on, then you're good to go. You probably know this. If not, works well for metric to a shoulder.
Noah
4:50 for a blade to cut that perfect that fast is impressive.
Rocky likes to go to work. Loved that intro. I think that metric is fine and its easy to understand. However (never start a sentence with however) I grew up with both so maybe its easier for me. I think it really depends on what you are used to.
He just started doing this a few months back. It's cute. He has his bed by the front door and the futon upstairs. He is up there in years, so we keep him comfortable and happy.
@@TopperMachineLLC Fantastic, I love pets, they make the world a better place
I ran a Peddinghaus beam drill line back in 2003, and when that bandsaw blade broke it sounded like a bomb going off.
Glad to see you back. I have a metric lead screw lathe - makes doing metric easy for me - a bugger on imperial threads. In Australia they changed us over to metric a few years ago, although there are still a lot of imperial threads still kicking about, even in new machinery. I got a new Bridgeport clone mill, it is internal threaded in imperial, found out the hard way, bought a Z axis power drive ordered metric threads.
In Australia the metric system became standard in the 1960s ... Not a few years ago. Metric is more accurate and easier to work with than imperial. America's system of length measurement is based on the metre and before any of us were born... It's time the US started using metric like the rest of the planet.
you’ve gone along way in convincing me I could hang up a shingle And take on some of these simple jobs I sure would like to have a milling machine though before I started excepting anybody’s jobs.
Thanks Josh
I know I make it look easy, but I've been at it 10 years and finally making some headway. Most of the world is stupid and think you need CNC to make anything. Try convincing a new potential customer otherwise is the hard part.
Kimber, I would not out and out say this is a simple job. Straight forward, yes. But being productive and hitting your numbers and geo takes experience and knowing your machine. I occasionally run bigger work like this, and it takes a mindset and concentration over and above what the small work does. Not to mention the power of that big lathe and kill you quick. I never fall in to the mind trap of thinking a job is simple. If I do, I would surely blow a number or worse, get sloppy and get hurt on the lathe. Josh makes it look easy. And it is if you have done it a bunch. I know that you are getting comfortable with your P&W and that's awesome. Play with some big shafts and get a feel for the dynamics of the job, and really create a thought process for a work plan sequence. Notice how Josh zeros his DRO at different times, and switches between rough caliper and fine mic measurements. The cooling when NOT running trick is neat. I never thought of that myself. But much less mess, and I hate coolant mess. Anyhow, keep it up and be safe and always approach a job with a serious plan. I myself get a little lax and lazy using the small Hardinge HLV lathe. But a 20" lathe is no joke. We all need to keep this in mind. Peace. ----Doozer
Thanks Dooz.
I hear ya
13 weeks from OEM $$$ ... same day from you $$$$$$$.. sounds good to me !!! nice job!
Thanks!
Suggestion for those metric stub threads where you have to pray the lathe coasts down before you hit the shoulder: do it the Joe Pie school of threading way. Flip the tool upside down and put the lathe into reverse. Now you are threading toward the tailstock, away from the shoulder, and only have to worry about accidentally trying to thread the tailstock. :-)
Next time I will. In 20 years I only crashed into a shoulder once threading. But this idea will eliminate any chance.
It's tedious cutting away from the chuck if you can't disengage the half nuts, which is likely when cutting on an imperial, inch lathe.
@@punishr36 Hear hear, the best machinist on the planet, we found him.
@@punishr36 Your problem is clearly getting personal in every one of your comments.
People are actually able to grasp concepts, especially when you stop insulting them. Maybe work on that.
And engaging/disengaging the half nut for threading is standard procedure.
@@graealex Run the lathe in reverse leave the nut engaged regardless of what pitch again unless it is a very long thread. Flipping the tool upside down only works if the threading tool has a constant undercut and does not work for a shouldered part and which is another pointless setup which takes time. It's no different than thread grinding. I merely stated that lathe hands don't use the nut and you got your nose out of joint. I wasn't even talking to you. You are not a machinist. You are probably a hobbyist and deffinetely a troll as again I was not speaking to you.
You are the Man keep up the good work
Have you ever tried thread-cutting from left to right with the lathe running in reverse and the tool upside down to help do away with the anxiety of crashing? It is slick. The only concern would be if the chuck easily unscrews.
Now why didn't I think of that? A little awkward, mayhap, but does away with crash anxiety... Thanks!
That tap looked like a hand tap. A spiral point tap works great for power tapping. Just speaking from 32 years in tool and die work. Enjoy your videos.
It was, and I had some spiral point ordered. Problem is that nothing comes next day here and I needed it done fast. Got the job done and have 3 new taps that came almost a week later.
Good to see you back in the shop.
Thanks 👍
Metric threading is fine - on a lathe with a metric lead screw :) .... Josh... Josh... quick someone get the smelling salts!
Josh I have to agree with you on the metric system nice job on that part
13 week lead time? Ouch. I would have ordered two parts from you. One for spare.
That's Peddinghaus for you. In their defense, they do make top notch metalworking equipment, but their service and repair and programming/learning resources, and flying techs and parts in from Germany, don't lend to quick and/or easy turnaround on downed equipment... the people who sent this work to Topper are similar to the people I know who use Peddinghaus... they only deal with them when it's absolutely necessary... and Topper could probably easily make 2 of these shafts for less than the price of the Peddinghaus replacement in a fraction of the time... Topper simply beats them in both money and time economics, which is kind of laughable to such a company with a global reputation who built the machine! But it's not much different than having to find aftermarket parts for a 15 y/o auto because the OEM isn't interested in anything but selling new cars... the way of the world.
awww, first time I have seen your buddy......Happy Easter Josh, Paul in Orlando, FL
Doing what you do best Josh, getting customers back in operation, ref threading, depends what calibration of leadscrew you have!
Great work and thanks for sharing.
Regards John
Something about watching a skilled machinist is so awesome 🤘🤘🤘🤘rock on josh 👌
The quality of your shots has improved tremendously!
Thanks. It's super difficult to do this by myself, and make look good. I was gonna comment about my tequila and Jager Meister, but wrong shots. Lol
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing with us.
Nice.
Always key all three holes on the chuck .
Rescues are not always dramatic as in being on the 6 o'clock news but in your case Josh your skill and experience is a great deal of the equation but what many overlook is you need to have the correct tooling and machines for the job, however, no matter the machine shop situation you have to have the material to make the component, and depending on how much you have you may not have enough to overcome an "oopsy", it all adds up .
It has taken me a lot of years and money to get to the point of being able to do these jobs. Piles of tiling and materials on the racks, in storage, etc. Especially in my region where nothing is available and everything else is a couple hour drive to get.
@@TopperMachineLLC Your shop is a mechanical oasis.
@@Peter-V_00 Thank you. It has been quite a labor of love to get here.
Awesome service
Nice camera work. Looks good.
Great video Josh, keep'um coming..
Nice editing!
I like metric threading! Lol nicely done Josh buddy, Cats a beauty too, thanks for sharing buddy
Thanks for the videos!
...I have not owned a lathe for very many work hours of ownership but have had one for a while.(farm use and hobby) I am afraid to power tap or power thread(dies) anything for fear of destroying taps and dies. The broken tap will end up stuck in my new hole forever and i would have to remake the part!
I have been doing it for so many years, and I have had tons of broken taps. biggest thing is to listen for it to start binding and stop. If it sounds off, it probably is. Worse case, you wind up with a broken tap and have to start over on the part.
It would help if I threw away my worn out taps!(:
Is there a tap meant for power tapping and are they different than the hand taps I'm using?
@@ssboot5663 Yes, hand taps are designed different from machine taps. They’re tapered on the end for ease in starting and have straight flutes. Machine taps have short spiral flutes on the starting end for a smoother “shearing” cut that greatly reduces torque and breakage. Use quality taps, low speed, and plenty of lubricant. It never hurts to go slightly larger on tap drill size, especially in stainless and tough alloy steels. Sharp taps with no worn or broken teeth are a must.
A good job, well done. I am not a machinist but wondered why you cut the thread relief after you cut your threads. I know you had your reason, but never saw this... Good job
I honestly don't know. Probably just a dumb moment. When filming, it's hard to get everything just right and sometimes I do things backwards.
Very nice work on the shaft Josh.
I remember when you got the lathe, and it sure shows.
You have truly become one with the machine.
The lathe and your skills are awesome.
I like your old Johnson saw.
My brother purchased one of them back in the summer.
Thanks for sharing.
Take care, Ed.
Thank you Ed. The lathe was probably the best investment I've made for the shop. Still a few things to learn on it, but it's been great.
Nice Josh ! --Doozer
Well done, the RUclips “Cutting Edge Engineering Australia” likes to say for an inch = Banana so 3 inch stock is 3 bananas !!!! 😅😅😅 Metric is the way to go, you are going to run into more and more metrics. All new cars and trucks are metrics now even here in the US and I have been running into all metrics in the electronics industry. And I have been in the electronics industry since the 70’s and I am always learning new ideas. Remember to keep an open mind, I have been changing from a tube TV’s and radios to tiny CPU’s and microcircuits over a 50 yr of being in the industry. Only area that has not changed is residential electrical work except the NEC.
73’s
N2JYG
Greg from northern Michigan. Smaller machine shops like yours with older equipment and lower overhead costs are the real lifesavers for many larger size firms. I hope these customers value your shop and skill set with repeat business. Without you, longer lead time parts may bankrupt these firms. Do you charge a higher shop rate for emergency time critical services like this ? If not, you should ...
many firms.
Very true! As far as charging, my customers are very happy to pay premiums for quick turnaround work like this.
As long as your chuck and lead screw are spinning in the same direction you like always make rh threads. So you could feed away from the part if needed.
Nice work and another awesome video. Thanks
You really could use some Split Sleeve Tap Drivers. They work great. I’ve ran as large as a 1”tap with no problem.
Collis Tool is a good brand
I have several, but I was unsure of the tap so wanted that ability to slip. I had new taps on order, but nothing comes here quickly.
Great Job. Very interesting.
Hi Jos, a black cat and doing metric and imperial , you must be a wizzard, greetings from Amsterdam
And there I was trying to work out what an Emergeny was!
awesome work!
Man your big Johnson is sweet. I only have a little knockoff Johnson, I wish mine was bigger. Good stuff as usual, great quick turnaround project.
Nice job!!
You're lucky you live in the States, try living in the UK nothing but metric. Carry on with the videos really enjoy them.
Now that you've come to their rescue, hopefully they won't complain about your rush job pricing or take 60-90 days to pay the invoice. I've had that happen more than once after getting a customer out of a jamb.
When that happens, that customer is remembered and charged significantly more the next time. This particular customer pays in 10 days and has helped me out many times too. They get a much more reasonable price.
@@TopperMachineLLC Yes, we do the same.
Love the videos and keep it up!
and me too
thanks for sharing!
This was a cool project and it is good to have a shop cat. Everything over here is metric which is not helpful when all our old equipment is not. It is even getting hard to even buy non metric spanners (wrenches) and we have to buy some of our fixings from the US
great video Josh. The short setup time on conventional machines is just unbeateble. PS. you need some more metric greatness in you life! :)
No thanks. If I get one metric job a month it's too much. Lol
@@TopperMachineLLC It’s easy to convert all the metric dimensions to Imperial. Metric / 25.4 = Imperial. From inches to metric is; Imperial X 25..4 = Metric. 2.375 (Imperial) x 25.4 = 60.325 mm.
You just haven't seen how quickly you can set up and program a part on a VMC with a tool and part probe...
@@Sketch1994
I wish I was confident with technology. I bought a brand-new CNC plasma cutter last year for my workshop. After three months of frustration, I gave up and shoved it into the corner. Can’t get my head around the computer programming stuff. I was told it would be simple and easy to learn. It wasn’t.
@@davidcat1455 The control layout makes a huge difference in ease of operation and the knowledge level required, while cheaper stuff are meant to work by cobbling random tech stuff together anyways. I hope you didn't buy a lemon but I've seen tons of sheet processing machines with a workflow of 30 minutes from design to program to setup to part
Break down work can be good paying but you have to be able to think on your feet, come up with solutions and work arounds to get the jobs done. Understanding orders of operations, material types and understand how the part is used is very important. Unfortunately those skills are not common now days.
Knowing the application and your customer is half the battle, the rest I can do no problem. You are totally correct, it's a dying skill set. I am the last shop of my kind within a 75 mile radius. 5 in the last 3 years closed due to retirement, all friends and mentors.
Great vid again Josh. Nice to see you come over to the metric Darkside now and then. PS, I think you were in a rush when you did your thumbnail lol.. Emergeny?
They were hot on me for this one. it was a bit of an emergency for them.
Hey Josh, don't know if you're looking at comments on older videos. I totally get the need to cool the part before final machining for a proper bearing fit - but why not run the coolant while cutting? Is it because it makes a freakin' mess or for some other reason?
It's all because of the mess.
Hey Josh , here's a quick tip for metric screw cutting on an imperial leadscrew . You can disengage , reverse the lathe & reengage on the same number as long as the spindle has not rotated more than revolution . A piece of piss !!! 👍
or run cut threads in reverse away from the chuck and totally avoid a crash
Ill have to try that someday. Not too often I do metric.
@@TopperMachineLLC ruclips.net/video/Z-dqOi_z5bk/видео.html
I grew up with imperial. Then Australia went metric. I can work with both, but I mainly use metric when measuring with a tape measure. But I can never get around a person's height in CM. Tell me in feet and inches and I know how tall they are. We used to use stones and pounds for weight, but metric weight in Kg is a lot easier. Bearings are nearly always metric, but I had a manual transmission that took a bearing that was metric outside and imperial inside. Never seen that before. Even though Australia is metric, some things are imperial and will never change. Try finding a metric tire. If you get a new car that takes metric tires, it's way cheaper to buy new wheels and imperial tires. I knew someone in this situation.
I had a black cat that could catch hummingbirds. We called her HellOn cuz she was hell on 4 paws. We learned it’s hard to catch a hummingbird in the house.
Just curious, why didn't you put the thread relief in before you cut the thread?
Great job , good video
Cut thread relief before you cut the threads??
Thanks Josh, another great video. Don't be afraid of going metric. I started off hating it when it was first introduced (into Australia) but I actually found it much easier once I got used to it. Question: Why did you cut the thread relief after cutting the thread?
Well, the reason most of the world uses metric is because it actually is easier. This shows particularly when machinists talk about "taking another 5 thou off" - while that thousands is based on an inch, that is actually a metric way to express a distance or a thickness, as a decimal point. So the impedance mismatch between large diameters expressed as for example (2 1/4" stock) and expressing smaller incremental operations (40 thou) already exists for all people working with imperial, while it is non-existent in the metric world.
dose the nut area get a keyway to for the lock washer
What insert do you use for the rhoughing process?
How does the part being worked get so perfectly centred in the lathe chuck ?
Can you put the lathe immediately into full reverse?
Question. Why not turn down the chewed up section to whatever and heat shrink a sleeve onto it and turn it to original size? - Save a ton of work unless there is a reason I don't know about. (We do that here all the time)
East or West, Cat is best!
My Achilles Heal in the shop is threads . I'm curious about the thread percentage that you use on internals ? Thanks for the videos .
The finish on that 1045 looks really nice. Does it machine considerably nicer than 1018? Gotta chuckle about the tapping tribulations! Been there done that!
1045 isn't as gummy as 1018. If that makes sense. I prefer 1045 over every other grade.
@@TopperMachineLLC Thanks! Still learning all this stuff. Yes, gummy describes 1018 very well. I’ve worked with Stressproof; wonderful stuff to turn compared to 1018.
1144 is awesome. I do hate 4140 Prehard, but that is another story.
Impossible to tell but i wonder if somebody greased the bearing zirc without wiping the grime off first or pumping and wiping clean the grease gun connector.
An idea. Would modifying the chuck key similar to your wrench for the 3 jaw be difficult? I would think longer t-handle would give better clamping on cutter [lessening slippage, tool life, yadda yadda]
Good job Topper I used to love one off jobs like that. Better than making 20 of them lol! Did you have a good camping trip?
We had a great time. A little wet weather, but still relaxing.
Did you use metric threads on one end and USA on the other end?
I noticed that you use 1045, is that your standard that you keep on hand for these types of projects? Also, based on the surface it looked like it must’ve been hardened.
I’m new to this so kind of trying to figure out what I need to keep on hand.
What's your thoughts on helical cut taps that bring the swarf out the top of your hole? I had never used one until 2 years ago, (I'm 77). Now I don't want to tap anything without one.
I use them. Just they get much more expensive the bigger you go. For repair work, it just doesn't make sense. It's not too often I do new stuff like this.
would it be easier to cut a thread relief before you thread the part. Gives a place to run off to.
MR. TOPPLER,
LOVE THE VIDEOS. TIRED OF ALL THESE OTHER SO CALLED MACHINERISTS THAT WANT TO USE THESE CMC CRAPS. SO GLAD TO SEE YOUR DOING IT THE OLD WAY HOSS. THE WAY GOD INTENDED IT TO BE. I JUST HAVE ONE RECOMMENDATION HOSS, WE HAVE GOT TO GET YOU A COMB. THAT HAIR IS WAY TOO WILD TO LOOK PROFESIONAL. THANKS AGAIN MR TOPPLER FOR KEEPING THE GOOD VIDEOS COMING OUT.
GOD BLESS,
JACK JOHNSON
I like your videos. I feel the same way you do about metric. Would have liked to see you thread that part, some people turn their tool over and run the lathe in reverse, did You ? I always wonder where the people making the videos are from. (I am from western Washington. Anyway good job Thanks
A little emery cloth and that will be just like new.
I was thinking JB Weld. Lol.
@@TopperMachineLLC Actually I glued a valve seat into a welder motor one time It was still working last I saw it. Likely put 40 hrs on that engine after my bush fix.
@@roddraper9921 sometimes those temporary repairs hold for years. Then it fails again and you remember doing it but forgot to fix it right and wonder how it worked this long. Lom
We are still in the metric fight even after many years there is still confusion.
Timber is actually cut to a metric size, but if I ask for 50 * 100 I often get blank looks so it's 4 *2. Then they sell it by a metric length!
Petrol is in litres but distance in miles. beer in pints but milk in well depends where you by it.
still at least we don't have the confusion of gallons imperial verses USA.
Crazy world we live in. Maybe next time you buy a 2X4 ask for its lengths in Cubits. LOL
@@TopperMachineLLC I think I'll start measuring speed in furlongs per fortnight (2 weeks)!!
With a crucial part like this, would it be worth having one readymade on your shelf- if it is a part that fails on ‘regular’ basis? Greetings from Tasmania Australia 🛠👍🇦🇺🦘
So would 1045 be acceptable for most industrial shafting applications? Trying to get setup to do some shaft repair work for some local companies with conveyors and trying to find some kind of industry standard for material selection but its all over the board. Is it kind of a best judgement scenario? I realize production work there is going to be some form of hardening process sometimes...sometimes maybe not. Is there any solid documentation of literature out there on this subject that is not academic and more applicable to a profit driven operation?
so my question is why are you not cooling when your making sizing cuts ur not using the cooling fluid only to cool the shaft after the cut ?
We have a cat that is scared of ladders. If she hears a ladder in the next room, she hides. Thunderstorms are worse. Usual hiding place during a storm is under the bed. Most unusual cat I've ever had. Her mother is more of a normal cat. They both live inside, as we have a wooded property (5 acres), so we want to protect the wildlife (birds and reptiles).
I have two Black Kittens that look just like your Cat. there actually Twines. There 4 weeks old. same white spot on there chest, and same long tales.