I can get into this. This is the kind of thing that leads to advancements in the showroom. This brings new customers to dealerships. Harley needs this, and we wanna watch!
As much as it pains me to say. They are finding the upper limits of antique, air cooled, pushrod VTwins. Water cooled OHC engines are the way. I’m a life-long shovel and Evo rider and have a Twin Cam sitting next to me in my garage. HD has the sharpest razor edge knife, at a gun fight.
The Challengers were allowed to increase the displacement up to 112cid this year. Do you know if they did? Keep up the good work good improvements !!!!
They have not as of yet. The S&S bike is running Indian stage II cams which are 50 state legal( read mild) and a ported head. All other components are stock, other that the obvious a/c exhaust and tune. So overall a surprisingly close to stock motor. Garcia doesn't even have the cams. Not sure what Harley and Vance and Hines have done. But there modifying the 131" quite a bit from out of the crate. Vance and Hines was making over 30HP from what a stock 131" makes. The Harley team has worked on the chassis I suspect, That's where that bike lack's. Not in HP.
@@mrfast2win not to be argumentative but a stock Challenger is 122 at the crank about 109 at the rear wheel the Harley 131R is 162 HP at the rear wheel 163 lbft. A 50 state legal street cam with a tune will not get you near those numbers. An EPA compliant CAM limits the amount of tuning they can do to it. Now I'll agree that Harley is getting beat in the corners but it's no way the Challengers are running stage 2 cams because to make up for the 50Hp difference you'll need at least 70 no more at the crank. In Indians literature they are claiming only a 10% increase in HP with the 2 cams which puts it at 132 at the crank say 120 at the rear wheel.
@@KevinButler816 I found my information from Thunder Press. They did a tear down of the bikes after the race. Keep in mind the airbox on the Indian is a lot bigger than stock and the exhaust is different. Not to mention they no longer need to be tuned to meet emissions. It's hard to say but I suspect they're making closer to 145. And they haven't even made the motor larger. If they really start diving into the motor they should be able to come up with a lot more power. On the other side the motor company has obviously done some improvements on their chassis.
Suspension : non-HD Sprocket : non-HD Chain: non-HD Swing arm: Custom made (?) I'm pretty sure that's just the peak of the iceberg, but, are you telling me that SE team doesn't trust SE parts? Who could've thought...
So they discontinued breakout and fxdr. Niiice most beautiful bikes after dyna wide glide 2009-2014 models. Yeah I bought a flat and my plan was to buy a bike after 2-3 years and what I ll buy - a deluxe 100 years old ugly bike or cvo with one big eye. Breakout and fxdr were for aure comfortable to but and badass. Emmm however I ll buy Indian at least is cheaper - a little bit less torque and cc but much cheaper and are acceptable good for the eye design.
I haven’t been this exited for any racing in a long while But please ... stop with the masks outside ... we are so past this and there is absolutely no medical logic behind this whatsoever.
These baggers have 2147cc and cannot beat a 660cc twins cup bike around a track. What a joke!!! Road Atlanta - Twins Cup race was 6 laps. Bagger was 8 laps. Lap 6 race lap time Bagger 1:36.961 Twins Cup 1:35.994 Supersport 600 1:28.641
Race on Sunday and sell to old men on Monday. These are not legit sport bikes as old men think they are. Why don't you see old men bringing these to track days. They have slower lap times than twins cup. What a joke.
Yes what ever you do play loud click click click noises over engine sounds. Nobody wants to hear v twin engines. We tuned in to hear CLICK CLICK CLICK.
No they didn’t get smoked. Kyle had that race till the last lap when a fantastic rider pulled a gutsy move on a downhill s curve and it paid off. I think Harley did kick fucking ass against the Indian, ESPECIALLY when considering mechanical differences.
@@MrMann-gt1eh Was a great race by all I love watching. I have a '18 Road King Special I am all HD. The Indian almost stalled at the beginning if not would have had a larger win. I love how Indian are making great bikes. More competition = better HD's!!!
I haven’t been this excited to watch racing in a long time
Half a second off the lead bike. Leaps and bounds ahead of the last race. Love, love, love the progress. Keep fighting. LOVING IT!!!!!
Indian motorcycles are the real Champions at the moment. They dominate at American Flat Track and at King of the Baggers.
the motor company ought to come out with a Kyle Wyman street legal replica bagger
This would be cool 😎
I really enjoyed watching it, come on Harley! Can we have more air time, great editing, amazing camera shots, loved it.
I can get into this. This is the kind of thing that leads to advancements in the showroom. This brings new customers to dealerships. Harley needs this, and we wanna watch!
Def the most exciting and interesting racing I've seen in my 39 years of life👍 let's go Harley!
I love the Baggers races
Love from Mississippi
HD tried to make the video look like they won
Awesome racing best thing to watch love it 👍🏻🇦🇺
Knee dragging on a bagger is something only a madlad would do.
I wish they put the new Pan Am motor into this bagger and make it 200 hp guess it would be alot lighter than aircooled engine.
There’s a minimum weight limit for the race if you don’t know
LOL. European dudes are watching this shaking their heads laughing. . . . "of course" and then they watch it all! lol. Cool series
Where the full specs list for this bike with a video showcasing it? Any link?
So where's the episode with the Indian teams? ..you know, 1st and 3rd. Love this though...I'm definitely a fan of this series.
ayyy keep these coming
God I love this
So who won?
Awesome race👍🏼👍🏼
As much as it pains me to say. They are finding the upper limits of antique, air cooled, pushrod VTwins. Water cooled OHC engines are the way. I’m a life-long shovel and Evo rider and have a Twin Cam sitting next to me in my garage. HD has the sharpest razor edge knife, at a gun fight.
This.
So just for clarity... who won?
Can we get an episode with Eric Stahl? Privateers need some love.
The Challengers were allowed to increase the displacement up to 112cid this year. Do you know if they did?
Keep up the good work good improvements !!!!
They have not as of yet. The S&S bike is running Indian stage II cams which are 50 state legal( read mild) and a ported head. All other components are stock, other that the obvious a/c exhaust and tune. So overall a surprisingly close to stock motor. Garcia doesn't even have the cams. Not sure what Harley and Vance and Hines have done. But there modifying the 131" quite a bit from out of the crate. Vance and Hines was making over 30HP from what a stock 131" makes. The Harley team has worked on the chassis I suspect, That's where that bike lack's. Not in HP.
@@mrfast2win not to be argumentative but a stock Challenger is 122 at the crank about 109 at the rear wheel the Harley 131R is 162 HP at the rear wheel 163 lbft. A 50 state legal street cam with a tune will not get you near those numbers. An EPA compliant CAM limits the amount of tuning they can do to it. Now I'll agree that Harley is getting beat in the corners but it's no way the Challengers are running stage 2 cams because to make up for the 50Hp difference you'll need at least 70 no more at the crank. In Indians literature they are claiming only a 10% increase in HP with the 2 cams which puts it at 132 at the crank say 120 at the rear wheel.
@@KevinButler816
I found my information from Thunder Press. They did a tear down of the bikes after the race. Keep in mind the airbox on the Indian is a lot bigger than stock and the exhaust is different. Not to mention they no longer need to be tuned to meet emissions. It's hard to say but I suspect they're making closer to 145. And they haven't even made the motor larger. If they really start diving into the motor they should be able to come up with a lot more power. On the other side the motor company has obviously done some improvements on their chassis.
@@mrfast2win can you provide the link to the article please. Also was that the race last year?
@@mrfast2win yes they was last year's race at Laguna. I want to know about this year's bike
Joschen Zeitz was there.. I hope he got the pinch.. I hope he gets back Harley-Davidson on the top 🍻
Can't wait until July, I'll be @ Laguna Seca!
A water-cooled m8? Anyone?
Idc who wins. As riders we all win
We can't let Polaris beat us again guys.....come on now!....amazing bike harley and v&h!
Build these! Please god build them!
Looks fun 😎⚡️🤙
Number 1 USA.🇺🇸🦅
Number 1 Harley - Davidson.🏍🦅🇺🇸
God bless América.🇺🇸🙏🏻❤
You or a interesting man
Google Harley🏳️🌈Davidson LGBTQ 🏳️🌈
Almost!!!!
Awesome!!
Suspension : non-HD
Sprocket : non-HD
Chain: non-HD
Swing arm: Custom made (?)
I'm pretty sure that's just the peak of the iceberg, but, are you telling me that SE team doesn't trust SE parts?
Who could've thought...
Best thing for the sport ....need amature class
too immature, tired of professional, or you want electric?
So they discontinued breakout and fxdr. Niiice most beautiful bikes after dyna wide glide 2009-2014 models. Yeah I bought a flat and my plan was to buy a bike after 2-3 years and what I ll buy - a deluxe 100 years old ugly bike or cvo with one big eye. Breakout and fxdr were for aure comfortable to but and badass. Emmm however I ll buy Indian at least is cheaper - a little bit less torque and cc but much cheaper and are acceptable good for the eye design.
I haven’t been this exited for any racing in a long while
But please ... stop with the masks outside ... we are so past this and there is absolutely no medical logic behind this whatsoever.
These baggers have 2147cc and cannot beat a 660cc twins cup bike around a track. What a joke!!!
Road Atlanta - Twins Cup race was 6 laps. Bagger was 8 laps.
Lap 6 race lap time
Bagger 1:36.961
Twins Cup 1:35.994
Supersport 600 1:28.641
Harley davidson all day
Indian First and Third. Nice.
Go buy a Indian, you won't regret it..
HARLEY DAVIDSON??????NO THANK YOU.
Race on Sunday and sell to old men on Monday. These are not legit sport bikes as old men think they are. Why don't you see old men bringing these to track days. They have slower lap times than twins cup. What a joke.
Indian wins again
HD : bring Valentino Rossi to 1 of these bikes. He'll burn the competition :)
Not with an OHV engine.
Yes what ever you do play loud click click click noises over engine sounds.
Nobody wants to hear v twin engines. We tuned in to hear CLICK CLICK CLICK.
100 times better than rice burners
Wake up your catching up haha the fastest bike on the grid laughable lol
And they got smoked by the Indian.......again.
No they didn’t get smoked. Kyle had that race till the last lap when a fantastic rider pulled a gutsy move on a downhill s curve and it paid off. I think Harley did kick fucking ass against the Indian, ESPECIALLY when considering mechanical differences.
@@MrMann-gt1eh Was a great race by all I love watching. I have a '18 Road King Special I am all HD. The Indian almost stalled at the beginning if not would have had a larger win. I love how Indian are making great bikes. More competition = better HD's!!!
This is lame. moto3 bikes rock