Logs Is Probably The Most "Fair" Map For This Test, Because Some Maps Benefit Certain Paragons More Than Others Such As Cornfield (With All The Corn) With Apex Plasma Master
Dart gets the plasma to shoot through walls, boomer paragon gets orbital rangs a good spot (though iirc they suck) i think cubism is better because even with the orbital rangs, there's no vision blockers
The spactory paths would go so good together and same with sniper not to mention the fact that each part will get better in terms of dps and the a 5-0-3 ace on steroids sounds like fun
Is this before or after they nerfed Boat paragon somewhat significantly, Now its hook rate is reduced from 0.2 to 0.6 at Degree 1, But only reaches its old speed at Degree 100
Boat Paragon activated ability literally kills BAD in 1 hit no matter how much HP the BAD has, meaning you could just put 1 reinforced BAD with 15 Bazillion HP and boat paragon will do that much of damage
It's really not. Not even close. The Boomerang paragon is heavily underrated after it's two buffs. It's not much weaker than the Ninja paragon anymore. It's way ahead of the Dart paragon. Infact if you get the Boomerang and Ninja paragons together, the Boomerang out damages the Ninja paragon. The only reason the Ninja is better is because of the constant slow and it's single target DPS being higher from the sticky papar bomb. The Boomerang is actually better at larger clumps of bloons than the Ninja is while the Dart paragon is far behind in every way.
@@Reina5342 boomer paragon wont outdamage a ninja paragon. Never, or at least until it gets more buffed. Have a game at 292 and ninja is at 600 million pops and boomer at 410 million, and its resort and he is on the center
@@sebastianbastias3655 He does out damage him. I've done multiple tests in this case. I bought the Boomerang and Ninja with the boomerang ahead of the Ninja at the track and by the end of my game it had 7 million more pops. I then did it in reverse with the Ninja paragon being on top with the boomerang at the bottom and the Ninja only had 5 million more pops. Thus the Boomerang being a head on the track had the bigger difference in number. Placement matters. You probably had the boomerang in a much worse placement than the Ninja because you already considered the Ninja paragon to be better. In a huge game where i went past 400 with many other towers and had the paragons at max single player degree my Boomerang paragon had over 150 million more pops. Meanwhile the Dart Paragon was not even in the top 10 i had on the field despite having the best placement of them all AND i got it first. I had like 1/3rd pops of the others.
Yep. The boat paragon is very powerful, but there has to be water on the map in the first damn place, and enough of it that you can get plenty of boats on the water, and get as many pops as possible. That's not going to happen in most cases
@@Maxawa0851 eh if you wanna be a purist and not use any powers cool but I wouldn't call them cheating. Cheap yes. 2 pontoons I would consider anything at all because it's just changing what you can place down in a small area. Now if you drop 25 cash crates and buy everything at round one then yeah. Your cheap lmao
@Blackwolfashrial in boss ranked mode powers are disabled. In any competitive setting theyre disabled. If you wanna have fun go for it but then it doesnt really matter how powerful shit is
We're never getting a super paragon bc we already have one. It's called the VTSG. Similarities: Requires sacrifices for full power Requires all 3 tier 5s Does a shit ton of damage Differences: No paragon degree Can't see camo (without a village) Can be buffed
Oh, btw the VSTG does not sacrifice EVERY supermonkey on screen, does not have the abilities of antibloon or LoTN, it is just a way stronger max TSG with an extra category and does not deal extra damage to bosses, it just does it's high base damage(i mean without buffs), not that extra boss damage.
@@Local_Drug_Dealer Also -don't have the ability of the other tier 2 tier 5 -ony buff itself have and have no legend of the night nor anti bloon ability - in the file vstg is refer as 5-5-5 but the paragon is called 6-0-0 how ironic is that a 5-5-5 tower doesn't have the other 2 tier 5 ability bit a 6-0-0 does and nk also confirm were getting a suer paragon that isn't vstg
yeah, you need a lot of water to make it work, while you can just pop Ascended Shadow anywhere, and the permanent slowdown is invaluable in freeplay where bloons just keep speeding up and up
@@idklol764 I’m talking about the towers we got in the game, like apex plasma master, glavie dominus and the ascended shadow. But I didn’t know about the buccaneer paragon
eh ofc it counts raw dmg means comparing them in their full strengh so yea abilities r a part of it but yea its true the ability of the boat is rly broken
@@tschaiga308 I wouldn't say so. I was expecting raw damage to reflect on its dps but instead he just 1 shots the BADs. Would have been really useful to know when fighting bosses (since ofc you can't 1 shot them)
They just haven't tried it after it's buffs. If you get the Boomerang and Ninja paragons together, the Boomerang out damages the Ninja paragon. The only reason the Ninja is better is because of the constant slow and it's single target DPS being higher from the sticky papar bomb. The Boomerang is actually better at larger clumps of bloons than the Ninja is while the Dart paragon is far behind in every way.
I will call boat op only then if it does significantly more damage to the boss bloons than the other paragons. The damage dealt to other bloons doesn't count since other paragons can pop bloons aisde from bosses easily. Its hook ability doesn't work against bosses and it is also of no real benefit, since paragons that can deal with bloonarius, for instance, never have trouble with non-boss bloons anyway.
They do have trouble agains't later rounds bloons but the thing that makes navarch so op outside boss battle is that he can one shot bads no matter how much hp they have but camparing them with boss bloons is just not fair since navarch has a ability and its there to be used
thats false, the paragons start to struggle later on in the game normally, but boat still does really good, as you can see in this video, with all the other paragons leaking tons of stuff that would normally kill you while boat just easily pops everything and doesn't lose any lives, its basically a free win card against anything that isn't a boss bloon, and even then it can easily shred anything that comes out of the boss bloon while also dealing decent damage to the boss itself, it excels at easily dealing with grouped moab class bloons while the other paragons are mainly good for dealing with boss bloons
Boat paragon deals much more damage to bosses compared to the other paragons. Its damage is double the boomerang paragon and about 20% more than the ninja paragon. Dart paragon is a puny weakling without walls and the only benefit is that it's cheap.
Ok, now, I call it OP. Because I tested it against round 200 without the hook ability. And it did more damage than ninja paragon, even though ninja costs more. Also, boat generates money.
why would you use non bosses to test paragons lmao they have specific damage scaling and bonuses vs bosses and boss runs are the only game mode where paragons are needed
@@vipergamingyt4974 im talking about the before you get paragon Edit:this is so u have money to get the paragon thats way get boomerang once you get the paragon do ninja but put other t5 with paragon so they can get pops
they did nerf him u cant use the ability as often anymore i dont get the logic of it but for some reason the ability is just disabled sometimes after u used it once but not always and thats what is confusin me i never paid much attention to it but could be that 2 bads is the max or so idk
@@Yasuhikou ninja paragon is weaker but more expensive and vtsg as well and the dmg it does is just so much that all the 3 other paragons and vtsg r not even at the same dmg combined, but imo its strengh isnt too much the other paragons r just way too weak so yea remove the extra boss dmg and make the boss dmg their normal dmg
@@jalkiruokayes2517 I think the bigger thing is that this test was with level 1 paragons. Obviously the navarch is gonna be stronger than the ninja but when you take into account how it’s MUCH easier to get a max sp ninja (76) and impossible to naturally get a max sp boat (76) on all but three(?) maps, the ninja will end up being more powerful.
Logs Is Probably The Most "Fair" Map For This Test, Because Some Maps Benefit Certain Paragons More Than Others Such As Cornfield (With All The Corn) With Apex Plasma Master
then again the boomer paragon gets a advantage here
@@sharknado2724 yeah because the there's really good spots for the glaives that orbit
Dart gets the plasma to shoot through walls, boomer paragon gets orbital rangs a good spot (though iirc they suck) i think cubism is better because even with the orbital rangs, there's no vision blockers
Encrypted is the best map for apex plasma master
@@ajansurveys6673 Balance and cornfield are probably better than encrypted for dart paragon
Paragons I’m most excited for: Tack, Sniper, Ace, Spactory
The spactory paths would go so good together and same with sniper not to mention the fact that each part will get better in terms of dps and the a 5-0-3 ace on steroids sounds like fun
Imagine the dart paragon
@@joredlack uh what
@@ICEDSummer dartling
I have enough xp for Sniper, despite joining in early January.
Is this before or after they nerfed Boat paragon somewhat significantly,
Now its hook rate is reduced from 0.2 to 0.6 at Degree 1, But only reaches its old speed at Degree 100
Basically degree 100 navarch is just has op has before the nerf but considering how it is right now even after the nerf it should still win
Lol it was after😬
@@pingu4080 bruh
Boat Paragon activated ability literally kills BAD in 1 hit no matter how much HP the BAD has, meaning you could just put 1 reinforced BAD with 15 Bazillion HP and boat paragon will do that much of damage
@@sedimentality5710 it wouldn't when it hits the integer limit
"Fill the area with Bloon shredding plasma juggernaut balls, leaving nothing behind..."
quincy 2.0 confirmed?
I didnt expect boomer to do this well.. i think dart is better at max degree
It's really not. Not even close. The Boomerang paragon is heavily underrated after it's two buffs. It's not much weaker than the Ninja paragon anymore. It's way ahead of the Dart paragon. Infact if you get the Boomerang and Ninja paragons together, the Boomerang out damages the Ninja paragon. The only reason the Ninja is better is because of the constant slow and it's single target DPS being higher from the sticky papar bomb. The Boomerang is actually better at larger clumps of bloons than the Ninja is while the Dart paragon is far behind in every way.
@@Reina5342 oh, i havent seen the buffs yet ig
@@Reina5342 boomer paragon wont outdamage a ninja paragon. Never, or at least until it gets more buffed. Have a game at 292 and ninja is at 600 million pops and boomer at 410 million, and its resort and he is on the center
@@sebastianbastias3655 He does out damage him. I've done multiple tests in this case. I bought the Boomerang and Ninja with the boomerang ahead of the Ninja at the track and by the end of my game it had 7 million more pops. I then did it in reverse with the Ninja paragon being on top with the boomerang at the bottom and the Ninja only had 5 million more pops. Thus the Boomerang being a head on the track had the bigger difference in number. Placement matters. You probably had the boomerang in a much worse placement than the Ninja because you already considered the Ninja paragon to be better. In a huge game where i went past 400 with many other towers and had the paragons at max single player degree my Boomerang paragon had over 150 million more pops. Meanwhile the Dart Paragon was not even in the top 10 i had on the field despite having the best placement of them all AND i got it first. I had like 1/3rd pops of the others.
@@Reina5342 boomer paragon definitely doesn’t have not bad dmg than ninja most of the pops probably came from infinitely stalling the insides
Even after the nerf, the boat paragon is still the goat of all paragons
You have to remember boat only can be placed in water, as of 2/13/2022 the boss map doesn’t have any water,
Yep. The boat paragon is very powerful, but there has to be water on the map in the first damn place, and enough of it that you can get plenty of boats on the water, and get as many pops as possible. That's not going to happen in most cases
@@roetemeteor eh one pontoon will fit 4 boats have 2 boosted merchants and can probably get a 20 maybe
@@DazedRose115 powers are cheating
@@Maxawa0851 eh if you wanna be a purist and not use any powers cool but I wouldn't call them cheating. Cheap yes. 2 pontoons I would consider anything at all because it's just changing what you can place down in a small area. Now if you drop 25 cash crates and buy everything at round one then yeah. Your cheap lmao
@Blackwolfashrial in boss ranked mode powers are disabled. In any competitive setting theyre disabled. If you wanna have fun go for it but then it doesnt really matter how powerful shit is
thanks for adding steven he. that was funny
We're never getting a super paragon bc we already have one. It's called the VTSG.
Similarities:
Requires sacrifices for full power
Requires all 3 tier 5s
Does a shit ton of damage
Differences:
No paragon degree
Can't see camo (without a village)
Can be buffed
5/0/2 vengeful: am i a joke to you
Oh, btw the VSTG does not sacrifice EVERY supermonkey on screen, does not have the abilities of antibloon or LoTN, it is just a way stronger max TSG with an extra category and does not deal extra damage to bosses, it just does it's high base damage(i mean without buffs), not that extra boss damage.
@@definitelynotaquincymain2652 oh. I forgot about that.
@@Local_Drug_Dealer Also
-don't have the ability of the other tier 2 tier 5
-ony buff itself have and have no legend of the night nor anti bloon ability
- in the file vstg is refer as 5-5-5 but the paragon is called 6-0-0 how ironic is that a
5-5-5 tower doesn't have the other 2 tier 5 ability bit a 6-0-0 does
and nk also confirm were getting a suer paragon that isn't vstg
Boat is stronger than ninja but it's alot more situational than ninja and for that reason I'd say ninja is still the best paragon as of rn
yeah, you need a lot of water to make it work, while you can just pop Ascended Shadow anywhere, and the permanent slowdown is invaluable in freeplay where bloons just keep speeding up and up
Short and straight to the point. Nice.
Dart on a best spot or map like skites can destroy bads and I don't know what amount of damage do on 200 but he can bounce better it juggernaut shot
I had the help of a friend, and we got all THREE paragon towers in one game, and we made it to round 200
theres 4...
@@idklol764 I’m talking about the towers we got in the game, like apex plasma master, glavie dominus and the ascended shadow. But I didn’t know about the buccaneer paragon
@@corruptedgaming6634 that's the buccaneer tho....
@@hi-fe2ek my bad Lol
@@corruptedgaming6634 Then it isn't *"all"* three, it's still good but not *"all".*
Just make their boss damage their normal damage and then we can talk
if you are going for RAW damage then dnt use abilities , that doesnt count
eh ofc it counts raw dmg means comparing them in their full strengh so yea abilities r a part of it but yea its true the ability of the boat is rly broken
@@tschaiga308 I wouldn't say so. I was expecting raw damage to reflect on its dps but instead he just 1 shots the BADs. Would have been really useful to know when fighting bosses (since ofc you can't 1 shot them)
That defeats the purpose of raw dmg, and in game your gonna use abelites.
Yeah good point, but even so navarch would have won anyway 😅
@@lnfra I already tested it,and navarch still deals the most damage even against bosses
And yet people are complaining that Boomer Paragon is weak.
They just haven't tried it after it's buffs. If you get the Boomerang and Ninja paragons together, the Boomerang out damages the Ninja paragon. The only reason the Ninja is better is because of the constant slow and it's single target DPS being higher from the sticky papar bomb. The Boomerang is actually better at larger clumps of bloons than the Ninja is while the Dart paragon is far behind in every way.
Boat paragon is so "balanced"
yes it is totally “balanced”
I like how he calls the navarch "boat"
Boat paragon 🤦
yeah? he also didnt call the dart paragon "apex plasma master" or the boomer paragon "glaive dominus"
NVOS kinda underrated for sure.
This is why my favourite tower is buccaneer
Apparently engineer paragon is the next one
Does vengeful sun God count as a paragon?
Yes and no
No, NK has already said in one of their blog posts that VTSG is not a paragon.
"Boat Paragon". BOAT PARAGON?!
Their names are great
Boat paragon pfft more like goat paragon
I’m so glad I got buccaneer paragon 1st
Steven he 😂
Navarch is too strong 💪 🔥
it's the expensivest so it would make sense it's the best
@@yes-vs6ux usually instead of adding an est or an er to expensive you usually just add most before it
@@yes-vs6ux i thought ninja was more expensive
this is why i think the buc is the best tower in btd 6
Anyone know the Steven he video at the end
Reminder, dart Paragon wasn't even on corn field
"boomer paragon" truly
They need to buff other paragons.
They already do that but to the Boss damage buff
@@firaswaffle They need to buff the other paragons again.
@@firaswaffle they should make the paragon boss damage buff apply to moabs when it becomes lategame
Conclusion: bucaneer pargon op
Is juste level 1 paragon tower but what damage if all paragon tower is level 100
Anyone know the steven he video
I will call boat op only then if it does significantly more damage to the boss bloons than the other paragons. The damage dealt to other bloons doesn't count since other paragons can pop bloons aisde from bosses easily. Its hook ability doesn't work against bosses and it is also of no real benefit, since paragons that can deal with bloonarius, for instance, never have trouble with non-boss bloons anyway.
They do have trouble agains't later rounds bloons but the thing that makes navarch so op outside boss battle is that he can one shot bads no matter how much hp they have but camparing them with boss bloons is just not fair since navarch has a ability and its there to be used
thats false, the paragons start to struggle later on in the game normally, but boat still does really good, as you can see in this video, with all the other paragons leaking tons of stuff that would normally kill you while boat just easily pops everything and doesn't lose any lives, its basically a free win card against anything that isn't a boss bloon, and even then it can easily shred anything that comes out of the boss bloon while also dealing decent damage to the boss itself, it excels at easily dealing with grouped moab class bloons while the other paragons are mainly good for dealing with boss bloons
Boat paragon deals much more damage to bosses compared to the other paragons. Its damage is double the boomerang paragon and about 20% more than the ninja paragon. Dart paragon is a puny weakling without walls and the only benefit is that it's cheap.
Ok, now, I call it OP. Because I tested it against round 200 without the hook ability. And it did more damage than ninja paragon, even though ninja costs more. Also, boat generates money.
@@criterion9801 wait what how
Since you don't seem to understand lemme make it easier for you
How
I think the bucaneer paragon is the strongest paragon
Just a hunch
Trinston was here. .
Bro there is no way the Buccaneers Paragon degree was one because it was pulling in b.a.d's and they cannot do that Paragon degree 1. I am not dumb.
Sorry you had to find out that you are dumb this way 🥶 it can hook 2 BAD's a round at all degrees
@@jadiv you didn't have to say they were dumb - that might hurt their feelings - but i also need to point out:
it's 2 *HOOK USAGES*, not 2 *BADS.*
N.O.S:BAD=food
try mib on the paragons
nice
You could show the tiers huh
why would you use non bosses to test paragons lmao they have specific damage scaling and bonuses vs bosses and boss runs are the only game mode where paragons are needed
Because bosses are spesific too and these things are basically 5/5/5 towers
Seeing them do this bad (except boat) is sad
Boat still op
all oaragons combined to wat wave
Yeetes le balles
S P I N
Cards are cool
Haha sukibg blims go BRRRRRRR
And ninja paragon costs more 💀
When yoi realize its level 1
Dart paragon is the best to me cuz dart monke
Dart monkeys good but for me its a boomerang cause its very cheap so u can farm but be sure to add a 2-2-0 village
@@EeeeeAeeae why the village?
@@vipergamingyt4974 camo
@@EeeeeAeeae paragons don't get effected by any buffs witch includes villages( if this is a joke free feel to r/wooosh me)
@@vipergamingyt4974 im talking about the before you get paragon
Edit:this is so u have money to get the paragon thats way get boomerang once you get the paragon do ninja but put other t5 with paragon so they can get pops
Are these tier 1? Or not.
think so
Boat good
You should have done a single target test as well with round 200
Litterally on the video
what lvl are they tho
1
lvl ?
1, you can tell by their clothing
Imagine boosting paragon with mod tho
You used the boat paragons ability, so it’s an unfair advantage. Also it depends on the degree.
how is it unfair lmao. the ability is part of the damage a tower can do
Sorry the boat has an ability
That's part of the tower lmao so it counts, although at the start of the test he did say ''Raw bad damage test'' so idk tbh
Boat
Proof this game is unbalanced and kinda sucks
NAVARCH TOO OP PLS NERF!
they did nerf him u cant use the ability as often anymore i dont get the logic of it but for some reason the ability is just disabled sometimes after u used it once but not always and thats what is confusin me i never paid much attention to it but could be that 2 bads is the max or so idk
It's an expensive freeplay tower, why WOULDN'T it be op?
@@Yasuhikou issue is, it's better than the Ninja paragon which is more expensive and I think requiring water is not a big enough con
@@Yasuhikou ninja paragon is weaker but more expensive and vtsg as well and the dmg it does is just so much that all the 3 other paragons and vtsg r not even at the same dmg combined, but imo its strengh isnt too much the other paragons r just way too weak so yea remove the extra boss dmg and make the boss dmg their normal dmg
@@jalkiruokayes2517 I think the bigger thing is that this test was with level 1 paragons. Obviously the navarch is gonna be stronger than the ninja but when you take into account how it’s MUCH easier to get a max sp ninja (76) and impossible to naturally get a max sp boat (76) on all but three(?) maps, the ninja will end up being more powerful.