I wanna commend you on the tone of the video being very concise and organized, rather than just bashing on the game and screeching that Heihachi is broken. But i can't help but feel the points in the video ended up coming from a place of ignorance or lack of research -- which isn't a crime, just kind of unfortunate His execution was by no means dumbed down. If anything, they made him even more technical with the new charge input mechanic, those are incredibly tough to get the most out of while also having the whole Mishima baggage accompanying it. The electric was by no means made easier, just like every other Mishima in the game, it's still a proper just frame. You could be mistaking it for some of his other moves, he's got a couple new launchers with very similar animation and effects that don't require a just frame. Even his Omen remained the same, a mandatory just frame with the f,n,df+1 input. Secondly, legacy Heihachi was never about finesse and refined execution, that's Kazuya. Heihachi is a pressure monster that's constantly in your face pressing safe poke buttons like 1,1 and df1, and dispensing gigantic mids that will chunk you for 50% if you get opened up; Demon Uppercut, Demon's Breath, wallsplatting 112, so on. He's only held back by his execution as far as any other Mishima is historically. Lastly, his install IS bullshit. But in a game like T8 where every character might as well be possessed by the spirit of Adderall itself, he'd likely be in a tough spot without it. Hei's got very clear weaknesses in his lack of tracking and good lows. Plus, in a ft3 round format, he can at most get a single install round in an entire match. It's not fun to deal with, but it's definitely far from the end of the world. Don't take this as me trying to bash on you though! This kinda content sparks discussion and gets people thinking about the game more thoroughly, it's part of the fun! Don't stop making videos about the stuff you like. Tekken is a very complicated and nuanced game, it takes a lot of time for things to settle and be fully understood and it's just a bit too early to make a call on Heihachi's placement just yet. Who knows, he might break the game or he might become the next 1.05 Devil Jin. He's gonna be a bitch to fight in ranked tho that's for DAMN sure
@@DannyLikesTekken He has to not get it sidestepped and not get rushed down while he’s trying to do it 🤣. Trust me if you’re good you can absolutely shut him down and force him to just not do it. Same with his once a game install. He wants to not waste it so you can just rush him down and frustrate him into getting sidestepped and whiff punished.
I feel like this comment is to nice. Sure the audio was well put together but this video was horribly researched with no real evidence to back the claims and wtf am I watching Reina V Dragonov for in a video concerning Heihachi. If the effort was made to lab the character for the video portion he would have realised a lot of the statements made are false. It just comes off lazy. Im also going to disagree with the commenter, I think Heihachi is weak if anything. He plays like Leroy, no frames, has to hit confirm everything, has some cheese to make up for it, except in Heihachi's case that cheese has a very large execution ceiling. Even worse his weakness to side stepping is a glaring flaw, exaggerated further by the movement buffs we got coming into T8. I could totally be wrong, but having labbed the character myself and not seeing the same in this video my point stands. Funny enough I actually agree with the part of the video saying Tekken 8 is overturned with the addition of so many lottery mechanics but as I play the game and improve, I realise its not as bad as I originally thought. The line between offense and defense is blurred in this game you need to take a more proactive approach then in T7. The best defense is a good offense but also just good defense is good defense, the game is easy till people start knowing what your characters about, then its hard again and its on you to know what their characters about. Is this a character normal punish's work on? What punish works if not? Does my character have a unique interaction with theirs or vise versa? Do they have oppressive frames? Do I need to duck, sidestep or be the aggressor to avoid those frames? Do they have a gimmick that beats my frame traps? and it doesn't stop there. Alot of these questions were less common in T7, not that they didn't exist just you weren't facing them every match like in T8. PS. This isn't an attack on your character, or you as a person in any way. Just the video comes off as a spur of the moment rant. If that was the purpose, to be like a youtube reddit post kinda of thing, then ignore me im just some nerd with to much free time on the internet. Or maybe, if that's the case, my comment was exactly what you wanted. What the hell do I know.
No offense, but it's obvious you were never a HeiHachi player in T7 Lol HeiHachi was a mashy rundown character that didn't stop pressing buttons. In T8 you can no longer mash with him and his rundown capabilities are gone. Now you have to have great defense to get any use of his best moves. You're also incredibly wrong about the frame data. Almost ALL of his moves have worse frames now.
Yeah I didn't play him in T7, but although some of his core tools have worse frame data, it seems he has pretty easy access to his big moves. If he gets stance pressure like once, he can really snowball his momentum though the whole round it feels like. Definitely need more time with him though to start to fully understand how he wants to play.
@@DannyLikesTekkenNearly everyone im t8 can snowball but in t7 heihachi seems slower, more linear and way more committal. I mained him in T7 and in T8 he feels good and strong but if you know the matchup you basically make him take high risks to open you up because his lows are bad. In a few months he will only be played by fundamentally good players.
@@MisterBlackout I can definitely see this happening. I am definitely interested in hos he plays out over the stretch to next season. He I can definitely see him go a similar route how Reina is played online now.
With Tekken 8 being my 1st Tekken I get what you were talking about. I went into the lab with Heihachi and in about 30 minutes I alr learned 92+ damage combos.
Yeah right now Tekken is like in a weird spot. It's mostly a product of the core mechanics of this game (heat). I think they should like reduce the damage for most characters in the game to make rounds a little bit less explosive. Not much we can do about the barrier of entry though. I think its great that the game is getting tons of new players, but I would hate to see this series end up where MK1 is where the casuals like it but the pros can't stand it.
I don't get it honestly because Tekken was always attractive to casuals.. you don't need to do the strongest combos etc.. not everyone needs to be in high ranks. There were always characters like Eddy or law attractive to casual players... Why every character now needs to be Easy...@@DannyLikesTekken
@@Tuxedosnake00 Its not that like everybody has to be difficult, it's that it really seems that they changed him (and some others) in a way that makes the execution much easier. Like the biggest example is honestly Dragunov, where in T7 he had lots of strong mids, but he lacked a power low, as well as sneak 4. SO now his changes in this game have made him so much easier, and much stronger. Easy+Strong is never a great combination imo.
I think Hei is one of the better designed characters in 8, if he is everything wrong with 8, i don't know what some of the T8 slop bloated characters are.
Lol agree heihachi sucks in Tekken 8. There’s a difference between getting outplayed by somebody and getting beaten into submission and not learning anything because the guy had an infinite pressure loop.
Props for the vid, but I think slightly misguided. I think this is probably influenced by multiple other creator screaming "BROKEN. NERF HIM" after every DLC release. Heihachi is actually significantly harder in T8 than T7. In T7, you had godbuttons that 5 different things b+4 used to be a safe homing mid, that works as keepout, mid check, and a CH launcher 2 major MAJOR changes. His 1,1 and df+1 are no longer -1, instead -5. That goes to Reina now. You dont get to keep aggression after poking. Which means Heihachi will need to play smarter rather than rely on just 2 or 3 tools, and ungabunga rush you down just cuz youre within df+1 range. His combos are also hsrder (but more consistent). In T7 2x electric was staple. In T8, its 3x electric, and you needed the charge just frame to for other combos too to even reach good damage. T7 Heihachi had ez variants to his combos that disnt sacrifice too much damage. Now, in T8, its just frame after just frame TLDR he's signficiantly harder to use than T7 Heiachi, and far FAR clunkier, but has more consistency
I get where you’re coming from but you should take it as a compromise in a sense that although they cater to noobs now and I am one of them it’s still good for a game because you want a lot of players to play the game so that the franchise keeps evolving maybe as a compromise they can have tournament settings, turn on or off for example so that usually the game caters to noobs but when you really wanna get busy, then you can turn on more unforgiving settings.
isnt his 1, 1 -5 now his df 1 aswell no? they were -1 moves in t7 also he has a lot of new moves thatt are hard af like a new b2 just frame wtf are you on about
As a Kaz player I was afraid they would ruin him like they ruined Jin. It seems they indeed gave him power but they took away his spammability and leave him vulnerable to sidestep, so I like the different flavors between Kaz Hei Reina, even DJ as the gimmick evasive Mishima.
I just like playing tekken. “This character is bad.” “That character is bad.” “They made this easy” “They made this for casuals” Sure I use special style and people cry but in reality, as much as they cry, I just play for fun.
This is definitely a fair point. I just feel Tekken has historically not been made like THIS easy. I don't have a problem with special style or anything, I think its great to introduce new players into the series, but I feel like Heihachi has been more of a "purest" character, and they really lowered the barrier to entry.
the problem is that bandai namco allow you to exist. by giving a chance to casual player with special mode, dumb characters (that are almost half of the cast) makes this competitve fighting game losing it's interest. They are giving you the opportunity to win without having to learn. This is what making things for casual players does. so do casual players as i've discribed a place in tekken 8? honestly i don't think so, i think that the pleasure of fighting games is to get better every day, and if we play together it's to prove who's the best (and have fun in the process). so if you can win by beeing less good, the games loses all it's purpose.
It doesn't seem like you have to have the perfect input anymore with him. I am not a Mishima player, but somehow I get it every time when I play him, but I struggle to get it at all when I play Kaz/Reina. Maybe I'm missing something, or I'm just the luckiest player on the planet.
I wanna commend you on the tone of the video being very concise and organized, rather than just bashing on the game and screeching that Heihachi is broken.
But i can't help but feel the points in the video ended up coming from a place of ignorance or lack of research -- which isn't a crime, just kind of unfortunate
His execution was by no means dumbed down. If anything, they made him even more technical with the new charge input mechanic, those are incredibly tough to get the most out of while also having the whole Mishima baggage accompanying it. The electric was by no means made easier, just like every other Mishima in the game, it's still a proper just frame. You could be mistaking it for some of his other moves, he's got a couple new launchers with very similar animation and effects that don't require a just frame. Even his Omen remained the same, a mandatory just frame with the f,n,df+1 input.
Secondly, legacy Heihachi was never about finesse and refined execution, that's Kazuya. Heihachi is a pressure monster that's constantly in your face pressing safe poke buttons like 1,1 and df1, and dispensing gigantic mids that will chunk you for 50% if you get opened up; Demon Uppercut, Demon's Breath, wallsplatting 112, so on. He's only held back by his execution as far as any other Mishima is historically.
Lastly, his install IS bullshit. But in a game like T8 where every character might as well be possessed by the spirit of Adderall itself, he'd likely be in a tough spot without it. Hei's got very clear weaknesses in his lack of tracking and good lows. Plus, in a ft3 round format, he can at most get a single install round in an entire match. It's not fun to deal with, but it's definitely far from the end of the world.
Don't take this as me trying to bash on you though! This kinda content sparks discussion and gets people thinking about the game more thoroughly, it's part of the fun! Don't stop making videos about the stuff you like.
Tekken is a very complicated and nuanced game, it takes a lot of time for things to settle and be fully understood and it's just a bit too early to make a call on Heihachi's placement just yet. Who knows, he might break the game or he might become the next 1.05 Devil Jin.
He's gonna be a bitch to fight in ranked tho that's for DAMN sure
I totally agree, and I appreciate the feedback!
bro heihachi has to earn his install 🤣 when he gets it just rush him down because he has trash “get off me” moves as usual.
@@MisterBlackout "earn" by pressing heat once a round lol
@@DannyLikesTekken He has to not get it sidestepped and not get rushed down while he’s trying to do it 🤣. Trust me if you’re good you can absolutely shut him down and force him to just not do it. Same with his once a game install. He wants to not waste it so you can just rush him down and frustrate him into getting sidestepped and whiff punished.
I feel like this comment is to nice. Sure the audio was well put together but this video was horribly researched with no real evidence to back the claims and wtf am I watching Reina V Dragonov for in a video concerning Heihachi. If the effort was made to lab the character for the video portion he would have realised a lot of the statements made are false. It just comes off lazy. Im also going to disagree with the commenter, I think Heihachi is weak if anything. He plays like Leroy, no frames, has to hit confirm everything, has some cheese to make up for it, except in Heihachi's case that cheese has a very large execution ceiling. Even worse his weakness to side stepping is a glaring flaw, exaggerated further by the movement buffs we got coming into T8. I could totally be wrong, but having labbed the character myself and not seeing the same in this video my point stands.
Funny enough I actually agree with the part of the video saying Tekken 8 is overturned with the addition of so many lottery mechanics but as I play the game and improve, I realise its not as bad as I originally thought. The line between offense and defense is blurred in this game you need to take a more proactive approach then in T7. The best defense is a good offense but also just good defense is good defense, the game is easy till people start knowing what your characters about, then its hard again and its on you to know what their characters about. Is this a character normal punish's work on? What punish works if not? Does my character have a unique interaction with theirs or vise versa? Do they have oppressive frames? Do I need to duck, sidestep or be the aggressor to avoid those frames? Do they have a gimmick that beats my frame traps? and it doesn't stop there. Alot of these questions were less common in T7, not that they didn't exist just you weren't facing them every match like in T8.
PS. This isn't an attack on your character, or you as a person in any way. Just the video comes off as a spur of the moment rant. If that was the purpose, to be like a youtube reddit post kinda of thing, then ignore me im just some nerd with to much free time on the internet. Or maybe, if that's the case, my comment was exactly what you wanted. What the hell do I know.
No, characters like dragunov is whats wrong with tekken.
real
I agree.
Brother made a video without doing research lmao
No offense, but it's obvious you were never a HeiHachi player in T7 Lol
HeiHachi was a mashy rundown character that didn't stop pressing buttons. In T8 you can no longer mash with him and his rundown capabilities are gone. Now you have to have great defense to get any use of his best moves. You're also incredibly wrong about the frame data. Almost ALL of his moves have worse frames now.
Yeah I didn't play him in T7, but although some of his core tools have worse frame data, it seems he has pretty easy access to his big moves. If he gets stance pressure like once, he can really snowball his momentum though the whole round it feels like. Definitely need more time with him though to start to fully understand how he wants to play.
@@DannyLikesTekkenNearly everyone im t8 can snowball but in t7 heihachi seems slower, more linear and way more committal.
I mained him in T7 and in T8 he feels good and strong but if you know the matchup you basically make him take high risks to open you up because his lows are bad. In a few months he will only be played by fundamentally good players.
@@DannyLikesTekken Snowball how. Don't duck his stance mix up and you'll eat 35 dmg max
@@MisterBlackout I can definitely see this happening. I am definitely interested in hos he plays out over the stretch to next season. He I can definitely see him go a similar route how Reina is played online now.
@@dermedikus1020 I feel like you could say this about literally all the stance characters in the game.
With Tekken 8 being my 1st Tekken I get what you were talking about. I went into the lab with Heihachi and in about 30 minutes I alr learned 92+ damage combos.
Yeah right now Tekken is like in a weird spot. It's mostly a product of the core mechanics of this game (heat). I think they should like reduce the damage for most characters in the game to make rounds a little bit less explosive. Not much we can do about the barrier of entry though. I think its great that the game is getting tons of new players, but I would hate to see this series end up where MK1 is where the casuals like it but the pros can't stand it.
I don't get it honestly because Tekken was always attractive to casuals.. you don't need to do the strongest combos etc.. not everyone needs to be in high ranks. There were always characters like Eddy or law attractive to casual players... Why every character now needs to be Easy...@@DannyLikesTekken
@@Tuxedosnake00 Its not that like everybody has to be difficult, it's that it really seems that they changed him (and some others) in a way that makes the execution much easier. Like the biggest example is honestly Dragunov, where in T7 he had lots of strong mids, but he lacked a power low, as well as sneak 4. SO now his changes in this game have made him so much easier, and much stronger. Easy+Strong is never a great combination imo.
If your first thing to do with a character is learning a max damage combo you fell into a trap.
@liu3chan bro, that's far from Max dmg. I was just experimenting.😂
I think Hei is one of the better designed characters in 8, if he is everything wrong with 8, i don't know what some of the T8 slop bloated characters are.
Lol agree heihachi sucks in Tekken 8. There’s a difference between getting outplayed by somebody and getting beaten into submission and not learning anything because the guy had an infinite pressure loop.
Glad to see people cookong RUclipsrs like this. You didn't even play T7.
I thought the same until I saw TMMs breakdown. I think he should be toned down a bit but he already isn't the 1,1, df1, f+3, ff+2 spammer he was in T7
yeah i really like his video
Props for the vid, but I think slightly misguided. I think this is probably influenced by multiple other creator screaming "BROKEN. NERF HIM" after every DLC release. Heihachi is actually significantly harder in T8 than T7. In T7, you had godbuttons that 5 different things b+4 used to be a safe homing mid, that works as keepout, mid check, and a CH launcher
2 major MAJOR changes. His 1,1 and df+1 are no longer -1, instead -5. That goes to Reina now. You dont get to keep aggression after poking. Which means Heihachi will need to play smarter rather than rely on just 2 or 3 tools, and ungabunga rush you down just cuz youre within df+1 range. His combos are also hsrder (but more consistent). In T7 2x electric was staple. In T8, its 3x electric, and you needed the charge just frame to for other combos too to even reach good damage. T7 Heihachi had ez variants to his combos that disnt sacrifice too much damage. Now, in T8, its just frame after just frame
TLDR he's signficiantly harder to use than T7 Heiachi, and far FAR clunkier, but has more consistency
I really appreciate this take. I think you're right
I get where you’re coming from but you should take it as a compromise in a sense that although they cater to noobs now and I am one of them it’s still good for a game because you want a lot of players to play the game so that the franchise keeps evolving maybe as a compromise they can have tournament settings, turn on or off for example so that usually the game caters to noobs but when you really wanna get busy, then you can turn on more unforgiving settings.
oh shut up lol
real
isnt his 1, 1 -5 now his df 1 aswell no? they were -1 moves in t7 also he has a lot of new moves thatt are hard af like a new b2 just frame wtf are you on about
As a Kaz player I was afraid they would ruin him like they ruined Jin. It seems they indeed gave him power but they took away his spammability and leave him vulnerable to sidestep, so I like the different flavors between Kaz Hei Reina, even DJ as the gimmick evasive Mishima.
@@NYG5 I think this is a really great take. I didn't even think of it this way.
Nah.
real
Is this guy ragebaiting?
Not intentionally 😭😭
@@DannyLikesTekken bro watch the tmm breakdown hei was 5 x dumber in tekken 7 man
God you guys are some cry babies.
😭😭😭
I just like playing tekken.
“This character is bad.”
“That character is bad.”
“They made this easy”
“They made this for casuals”
Sure I use special style and people cry but in reality, as much as they cry,
I just play for fun.
This is definitely a fair point. I just feel Tekken has historically not been made like THIS easy. I don't have a problem with special style or anything, I think its great to introduce new players into the series, but I feel like Heihachi has been more of a "purest" character, and they really lowered the barrier to entry.
the problem is that bandai namco allow you to exist. by giving a chance to casual player with special mode, dumb characters (that are almost half of the cast) makes this competitve fighting game losing it's interest. They are giving you the opportunity to win without having to learn. This is what making things for casual players does. so do casual players as i've discribed a place in tekken 8? honestly i don't think so, i think that the pleasure of fighting games is to get better every day, and if we play together it's to prove who's the best (and have fun in the process). so if you can win by beeing less good, the games loses all it's purpose.
how is electric easy now?
It doesn't seem like you have to have the perfect input anymore with him. I am not a Mishima player, but somehow I get it every time when I play him, but I struggle to get it at all when I play Kaz/Reina. Maybe I'm missing something, or I'm just the luckiest player on the planet.
@DannyLikesTekken he has access to pewgf now. So he has Two different inputs, but they are still just frames.
@@DannyLikesTekken what? Access to pewgf gives him a chance to still ewgf EVEN if you missed the input. Thus, making it easier. Dude...