I bought the same battery a year ago ish and love it...I wanted a larger battery for my propex tool but couldn't justify spending REAL battery prices. I still buy REAL batteries but unless I got them for 50% off or more I'm buying the Waitley's!
I want to say something about the 6.0 vs 8.0 High Output m18 batteries. The 6.0 is actually capable of higher amp draw than the 8.0. Meaning on extreme high demand tools (9" grinder, circ saw, table saw, ect) you may actually get better power/performance from the tool with the slightly smaller capacity battery. This is due to the cells in the battery being different. A battery with more capacity will almost always put out less safe max amps for a given form factor.
I did not go through the comments to see if anyone has mentioned this but you might get different results if you tested with high drainage tools, an led light is one thing but running those knockoffs with something like a saw or impact might yield totally different results, the reason why is what you mentioned, the cells are not as good.
Hello my friend, how are your batteries holding up? Are they really better than the original Milwaukee M12 batteries? Please help me? I might buy some. 😎
I tested these with an actually battery capacity tester. The 9.0 waitleys came out to 8.0ah. A genuine 6.0 Milwaukee was 5.5ah on the same test. For 36 bucks I am very surprised.
In the past, I’ve had so many issues with “off brand” batteries for tools & Tech(they are getting little better though); so I just by OEM now, unless not available for some items. I’ve found that it’s not to bad finding ppl selling batteries lower then msrp, even if little old, still think will work great. IMO, prefer OEM, as you know not getting used battery with a reset controller telling you it’s new when it’s only charging to 40% etc. But, long as doesn’t break the device, & works for you......that’s up to you; everyone has a preference 😁 Cheers✌🏼
Sam S Yep, have had that issue as well, with buying online. Sometimes the battery looks new, even in packaging, but it’s been refurbed & controller reset; making the battery gauge et al think it’s “brand new OEM” when in fact, it’s not. Unfortunately this happens, as it’s really easy to do & make money quickly. Thx for comment/reply. Have good one ✌🏼
Hey Boss Man great vid thanks for giving a good test. P.s. please retest it in 3 months or so let us know if its still charging and working well. We appreciate you Boss Man.
Several points. I used another knock-off from Amazon in 18 volt and messed up both the sequential, and the 6-pack chargers. The batteries didn't last 2 yrs,and thankfully Milwaukee warrantied both chargers. 2nd pt that rocketlight will chop your fingers off,I call it "the guillotine ". I gave both m12 lights to my teenage co-worker. 12v is not up to the task of "working lights".
After your post about reviewing this battery soon, I was so excited to see how it performed! I was hoping you’d drive a couple of screws with this 9ah battery on the M12 Impact. Thanks you Bossman!!! 🤘
Very cool demo.. Aint a bad deal. Ps. Keep an eye on your dryer lint.. my furnace intake would get super clogged over time when my lint receptacle was next to my furnace. 😎
Awesome video thanks for that. I'm just wondering tho I seen videos on fuel tools with these batteries vs milwaukees and the milwaukee battery gives the fuel tools alot more power (ft/lb loosening torque) I also wonder if it talks to the tool so when it gets to a certain temperature it shuts the tool off to save damaging the tool and battery?
Good video I'm wondering how they would compare after sitting them in the freezer for 48 hours then running them or just run them sitting in the freezer
Well they do run deals on 6.0ah quite often ...the appeal of this battery is it's 9.0ah .. milwaukee don't have a 9.0ah ...I was pretty surprised how compact and light it was to be honest...I'm sure milwaukee will have a 9.0ah possibly a 12.0ah with some higher capacity batteries at some point 👍
TOOL BOSS Have you heard any rumors about higher capacity M12 batteries? M18 had to bump up to larger sized cells to get 4Ah per cell, but I can’t see how that would be possible with the M12 battery/handle design.
@@toolboss8410 Try to do some charge and discharge cycles of that 9.0 Batteries when they are charged and discharged and cycled used in the order they have become charged, it can give one an idea the longevity to where they peak in overall capacitance, where it levels off, and then how gradual the loss of overall charge capacity over time truly begins.
@@MrRobRizzle there is another youtube channel that discussed a patent regarding high output M12 batteries using 21700 cells. apparently the patent detailed the use of both 18650s in the stem and 21700 in the bottom base of the battery. curious to hear more about that and if that will lead to a sell off on current XC M12s
The battery is so big that the rapid charger would most likely not push the cells too hard even if it is a knock-off because doesn’t the rapid charger only pump about six amps into the m12 batteries?
@Sam S The Waitley brand use(d) Samsung, LG, Sony, and others. They seem to go with whatever they have on hand, as each of the four that I have (9.0, purchased around 1.5 years ago) has different cells. The QC varies from battery to battery, one of the batteries like to try to cook it self, two work perfectly, one twice as long, so just a roll of the dice.
@Sam S Please do consider that my packs are almost two years old at this point. I can't say if Waitley has changed practices since then. The only other thing I can speak on is the quality of the plastics is poor. all the retaining clips that hold the battery in the tool, break after normal use. and the casement is likely to crack if mishandled.
@@alexelam1127 from what I've heard, anything with a price that low and lithium battery is probably from old stock laptop batteries. I've heard they just part them out after so long. So I've heard anyways.
That right there is some things I would love for you to test and check into. I have regular m12 charger regular 18/12 charger and rapid 18/12 charger and you can charge a battery on say the regular then as soon as it fully charges put it on the rapid charge and it will turn red and continue to charge but pull it right back off and put it in the other charger it goes green saying fully charged again. Could be vise versa or whatever or even go from solo 12 charger to 18/12 charger and get the same thing. Does that mean there is something wrong with one of the chargers or is there a difference in the circuitry making one charge up a bit more than the other. This really aggravates me as I don’t want to overcharge and damage the battery just like I don’t want to undercharge and lose run time.
Did you buy that battery or did they send it to you? I ask because ive seen other aftermarket battery companies send RUclips channels battery packs with better cells inside them than they put in their packs.
Excellent test, though the video is a bit long for my short attention span. I just got a Waitley 12V 6Ah battery to supplement my original Dewalt 12V 1.5Ah battery. I wanted to remove the cover of the Waitley, but the screws are down in a narrow, deeply recessed channel and I didn't have a tool that would fit. On the back of the Waitley along with the volts and amps is printed WTL120, not WTH watt hours or WTM watt minutes. Maybe watt lifetimes, watts per liter?
Ive had genuine milwaukee and knockoff 6.0 batteries for a while, they work the same on majority of the tools except on the m12 fuel circular saw 2530-20. The genuine milwaukee tools would have the saw cut 2by all day. When i tested the knock-off brands, they melted internally. I still have them on my workbench lol
Yes but yours were not this brand waitley.. I guarantee that because this is a solid brand-project Farm.. search him he does test reviews and found these were the absolute best generic batteries made by this company Waitley... he found some generic batteries from other brands where decent and some were trash, with Waitley giving OEM performance..👍
There is a guy that took these apart and noted they use a different kind of lithium ion chemistry that is more susceptible to thermal runaway’s. But that’s probably not a real big deal on an impact wrench it gets used for 15/20 seconds and then gets to cool down a little bit. But for something like a saw that would not be the best. I’m gonna try one of these for just knocking around the drill. It’s not like I run it full out for twenty minutes straight.
Check your batteries voltage with a multimeter and if the voltage is lower than 7.5v the milwaukee charger will not charge it due to a safety feature. You can get a bench top power supply or connect the terminal of the dead battery to a fully charged good battery and wait a few hours and it will bring the dead battery back to life and it will have enough voltage for the milwaukee charger to charge it again. If it doesn't work than one of your cells is dead and you are out of luck.
@@randybobandy9828 Or he can test each of the cells and replace the one that's dead and put it all back together. But that's more work than many are willing to do.
I think these use a crappier lithium cell type so you gotta not overheat them. Probably fine in a drill or something. But not in a saw or vacuum. If you run them and then let them cool down again between use - such as a screw driver would see - probably good. There was a guy in UK that took them apart and showed the crappier battery cells. That said - I’m gonna buy one and it should be fine for light usage.
Waitley makes great batteries. It is a genuine 9ah battery also. Check out my m12 1.6 gallon shop vac video with it. I got just under 21 mins run time on high
They don’t need to state Wh as they already state 9Ah so with a nominal voltage of 12V, then 9Ah = 108Wh Milwaukee stating that a 6Ah 12V battery is 72Wh is redundant info (even though their nominal voltage is only 11.1V)
They should..again did a test on 18v 9.0ah ..neither did it say watt hours or was it truely a 9.0ah battery ..they can put whatever they want on sticker
@@toolboss8410 - yes. I understand that also. You seem to be missing my point. You seem to suggesting that by leaving off Wh hour they were *trying* to be misleading. How? They've provided the other two variables - 9Ah and 12V. The fact that they can say whatever they want does not change the fact that one set of units is easily calculated from the other. They *could* have put whatever they wanted on the Ah rating too! The cells themselves inside will contain an Ah rating and a voltage - direct from reputable manufacturers - simply because Wh is redundant information. Voltage and (claimed) Ah rating is provided. And while we are on that point - the 72Wh from Milwaukee themselves is "claiming whatever they want". They have 3 cells at 3.7V each - that is 11.1V. If it is *truly* a 6Ah battery, then the Wh is 66.6W and *not* their claimed 72Wh - it cuts both ways. Perhaps the reason the "knock off" chose to leave this data off? If they told the truth, it would be a lower equivalent number to Milwaukee's claim of 72Wh - which is false.
The run time test on a light is ok. But torture it on that stubby impact a bit and see what kind of "real" performance it has. Will it the battery overheat like a real Milwaukee battery when used in a high demand situation? What's its recharge time like when dead? Hows it "hot" recharge time like? How many years will this battery keep up its performance? Try dropping it on the concrete floor. We all drop out tools! It happens! Will this thing smash to pieces where the Milwaukee batteries are pretty robust in this manner?
To really test if it was a 9ah battery you should've tested power output (wattage output)...you just tested capacity...more batteries equates to more capacity = higher run time...testing for TORQUE would've showed you if it was a TRUE 9ah battery...9amps/hr should give more electrical current per hour increasing torque in a brushless motor.
I know this is an older video but the link provided shows a different brand on Amazon. Is this brand the same as waitley? Pretty big price difference, too
Im a dewalt guy myself but i do have 1 m12 tool that is the brushless rotary hammer. I see i will get more runtime but i wonder if i will get the same power, more, or less out of this battery. I no the bottom base wont sit flat but not too big a deal to me since i attached a dewalt belt hook to my drill that doesnt allow the base to sit flat with any battery. What do you think TOOL BOSS about a power difference? Edit: if it gets less power then a m12 6.0 that may negate any possible runtime difference as less power could decrease the runtime depending on the task Edit again: i do not see model rotary hammer 2416 listed on amazon listing as a compatible tool. Well see if manufacturer responds to my question on amazon
I changed out the dying cells in a 7 year old M12 1.3Ah pack. Shorted it a couple of times, smoke ensued, ruined it. Tried again on another old pack and was much more careful, and got it refreshed to 3.0 with new Panasonic cells. So yes, you can but it’s not as easy as I thought it would be.
@@m60mgman dude. What panasonic cells did you use? There are no 3ah panasonic cells that have enough power to run a power tool. You need to look up what cells are meant for power tools and I assure you the ones you used are not powerful enough. You also won't get the full 3ah out of them if you use them with heavy drain tools. You need sony vtc6 3ah cells if you want capacity and power. They are rated at 25amps. You want cells with atleast 20amp output.
Watt hours is simple to calculate. You multiply the nominal voltage of the pack which is 12v and multiply it by the amp hour rating. 12v x 6ah = 72wh. 12v x 9ah = 108wh. Also milwaukee is overeating their m12 watt hours. Its really 11.1v nominal so a 6ah battery is only 66.6wh.
The m12 platform will never get 21700 cells in it. The reason? Because the way the batteryvhooks up to the tool. The batteries have 3 cells bunched together that go inside the handle of the tool and only 3 18650 cells will fit. 21700 cells are too fat. The reason they call 18650 what it is is because it's the dimension of the cell. 18 means 18mm in diameter and 650 means 65mm long. So a 21700 cell is 21mm in diameter and 70mm long. So it will never work.
@@randybobandy9828 Good point... but they don't have to put 3 21700 vertically into the handle portion, couldn't they just put one or two and still shape the plastic in the same triangle form (it would have some spare room of course) and leave the rest of the cells in the pack ( bottom)? This would still make the bottom a little bigger (longer) but it could work.. highly unlikely though like you said and also don't think many people know what the numbers stand for on the cells .. simply put-the dimensions... But yes they've kind of designed these m12nbatteries the part that goes into the handle itself) around the 18650 cell haven't they?
If you open it, you will see how much every single battery has ah. Then you multiply it with number of batteries and you have the result. Wether its real 9h or 7ah. It would be really cool, cuz then all makita and dewalt 18v users would know if waitley really puts 9ah into the battery housing. Because in european amazon those 9ah 18v waitley cost the same as the original 6ah makita/dewalt battery
Have you tried this in a tool yet like a drill or multi tool? Or are you totally against using this in one of your favorite tools? These few vids you’ve made on this battery really got me thinking about buying one, lol 😂 never thought I would ever.
By the way the wh are calculated like that, you multiply the number of volts by the number of amps for example: 12v x 6ah = 72wh or 12v x 9ah = 108wh or 18v x 5ah = 90wh, I hope this comment helped you to figure out even if you knewed that's good too.
I don't like using these aftermarket batteries with my expensive cordless tools. Don't like the possibility of something going wrong. Use a renegade battery; tool gets toasted; go to collect on the warranty; Milwaukee says: sorry pal...
The Knock-Offs are getting better and obviously you got a good one but it's still a crap shoot and let's hope it takes more than 1 charge, lol , have you changed it again ??
ok test but you need to do high load test. You proved that battery has a 9Ah of capacity. But there are many things that determine the quality of the battery. The real test of the battery comes under load and how often you charge it. Read some articles/videos from people who race RC cars or planes and you will get a true picture of how much range in quality there is with cheap batteries. Most people ruin there batteries because they are not stored properly. Its the infrequent user who often wrecks his lithium because they have this idea stuck in there head that a lithium should be stored fully charged. Your right its a cheap battery and who cares if it doesn't last as long but I am one that wants my tools to work when I use them. Having the battery go dead 15 minutes after I start using the tool doesn't cut it with me. That said your video was good. I liked it. Maybe you can take it farther with your testing
Wouldn't even make sense. If they use 18650 or 21700 batteries. Then aren't losing money selling it 35-bucks(which for three 18650 quality batteries thats 30+ bucks by itself. Looks like 6-9 plus 2-3 on top). But now if its cheap BS 18650 batteries(which would be 1-3 bucks each....), then it will NEVER deliver the AMP/volt/watt you desire for a true power tool. Sure I bet it runs longer, for all the low-end batteries basically have higher Mah than the ones that actually deliver solid power. The other main concern would be any if at all built-in protection. For a real power tool like m12 fuel drill, will still demand the full extend of power regardless of the battery. When it does and those cheap batteries aren't spec for it, they will overheat and seep, then possible explode on you(but it will work, long as you watch the heat). Look at cheap e-cigs that blow up, same reasoning. Then its similar in use, for both draw high for these type of batteries. Id never buy such a battery for a tool that demands such power.
Amp hours x volts= Watts Of course he could have done the math, apparently he wasn't thinking as clearly and no amp hours & watts hours are two different things just like you proved.
@@Dale37 Dude, why are you trying to pick a fight? Watt hours and amp hours are the same thing. They're two different ways to express the amount of power any source has. Please do tell me how Watt hours and amp hours are different?
@@TheVoceOfReason Go tell an electrician that. You are the one who keeps trying to prove yourself right when you are wrong. Go look at an ohms law chart. I bet you are gonna find volts, amps, watts and ohms on their.
Chris Bramblett they do still sell them. And the Waitley batteries consistently get positive reviews. While I have yet to try them myself, based on he reviews I’ve seen on third party batteries, they are the only brand I might try. BTW, current price is 2x 9.0 M12 for $60 US, or 1x for $36
@@diemman70 just to let you know I bought a bunch of the vanon batteries and I would not recommend them I can't charge them unless I use the rapid charger none of my other chargers will work on them and they die pretty fast they say 6.0ah but last like 3.0ah I have heard from several people that the waitley are alot better battery
I bought the same battery a year ago ish and love it...I wanted a larger battery for my propex tool but couldn't justify spending REAL battery prices. I still buy REAL batteries but unless I got them for 50% off or more I'm buying the Waitley's!
I picked up 2 m12 6.0 batteries from Amazon for 19.95. They fit perfect and feel just like oem. Inside were all new Sanyo cells. Awesome deal.
I want to say something about the 6.0 vs 8.0 High Output m18 batteries. The 6.0 is actually capable of higher amp draw than the 8.0. Meaning on extreme high demand tools (9" grinder, circ saw, table saw, ect) you may actually get better power/performance from the tool with the slightly smaller capacity battery. This is due to the cells in the battery being different. A battery with more capacity will almost always put out less safe max amps for a given form factor.
I did not go through the comments to see if anyone has mentioned this but you might get different results if you tested with high drainage tools, an led light is one thing but running those knockoffs with something like a saw or impact might yield totally different results, the reason why is what you mentioned, the cells are not as good.
"I got 5' 11" on my driver's license and I'm only 5' 9.5" 😂😂😂
Me too! Exact same #’s too!
Must have been giving the nut busting height not the fastening height.......
Lmfao so Do I lolol
I was 5.8 for a couple of years lol
Hi Tool Boss,
Hey, don't forget the after market 9.0ah battery can work good on the milwaukee m12 circular saw, hackzall and stubby impact...
Without using my stubby 1/2 for a month, this 9v still holds 4 bars and it makes my stubby pretty strong
It makes your stubby stronger and last longer?!? 😏 Wow, I need one of those batteries.
Just ordered on Amazon 2 of the 2 packs... Now I’m going to return my 2 pack 6 ah Milwaukee battery pack Thanks Boss!
Hello my friend, how are your batteries holding up? Are they really better than the original Milwaukee M12 batteries? Please help me? I might buy some. 😎
@@FAMOUSSLICKRICK batteries are great especially for the price
I'm glad I found this comment. I'm about to pull the trigger on the knockoffs.
Thank you King Girl. I was just looking at them again yesterday and might just buy a set now. You are Awesome my friend. 🇺🇸😎🇺🇸😎🇺🇸
I tested these with an actually battery capacity tester. The 9.0 waitleys came out to 8.0ah. A genuine 6.0 Milwaukee was 5.5ah on the same test.
For 36 bucks I am very surprised.
How many amps did you pull when draining them on the capacity test?
1 amp. I have not tried higher discharge rates yet.
In the past, I’ve had so many issues with “off brand” batteries for tools & Tech(they are getting little better though); so I just by OEM now, unless not available for some items.
I’ve found that it’s not to bad finding ppl selling batteries lower then msrp, even if little old, still think will work great. IMO, prefer OEM, as you know not getting used battery with a reset controller telling you it’s new when it’s only charging to 40% etc.
But, long as doesn’t break the device, & works for you......that’s up to you; everyone has a preference 😁
Cheers✌🏼
Sam S Yep, have had that issue as well, with buying online. Sometimes the battery looks new, even in packaging, but it’s been refurbed & controller reset; making the battery gauge et al think it’s “brand new OEM” when in fact, it’s not. Unfortunately this happens, as it’s really easy to do & make money quickly.
Thx for comment/reply. Have good one ✌🏼
Fingers crossed for a 9amph Milwaukee battery for the fuel version of the m12 vacuum or other high draw tools
Hey Boss Man great vid thanks for giving a good test. P.s. please retest it in 3 months or so let us know if its still charging and working well. We appreciate you Boss Man.
Several points.
I used another knock-off from Amazon in 18 volt and messed up both the sequential, and the 6-pack chargers.
The batteries didn't last 2 yrs,and thankfully Milwaukee warrantied both chargers.
2nd pt that rocketlight will chop your fingers off,I call it "the guillotine ".
I gave both m12 lights to my teenage co-worker.
12v is not up to the task of "working lights".
Yea they got to fix that design..shame it's a great light besides extending it
After your post about reviewing this battery soon, I was so excited to see how it performed! I was hoping you’d drive a couple of screws with this 9ah battery on the M12 Impact. Thanks you Bossman!!! 🤘
I learned a long time ago buying the cheaper battery’s even with them breaking from falls on the clips they all work well
Wonder how the waitley 6.0 would do, if you wanted a slimmer profile at a good price
Very cool demo.. Aint a bad deal.
Ps. Keep an eye on your dryer lint.. my furnace intake would get super clogged over time when my lint receptacle was next to my furnace. 😎
Test it with the impact 12 volt or wrench see if it has good run time and power as well.
That can be an interesting test.
Do u reccomend that 9ah battery for the fuel hacksaw and circular saw?
Awesome video thanks for that. I'm just wondering tho I seen videos on fuel tools with these batteries vs milwaukees and the milwaukee battery gives the fuel tools alot more power (ft/lb loosening torque) I also wonder if it talks to the tool so when it gets to a certain temperature it shuts the tool off to save damaging the tool and battery?
Good video I'm wondering how they would compare after sitting them in the freezer for 48 hours then running them or just run them sitting in the freezer
Good to know. I have a knock off 18V that was cheap but doesn’t last as long as my M18 of the same amp hour.
I believe the 12V batteries (both Milwaukee and the Knock off) have a lot less electronics. So I am not surprised that the knock off works so well.
Just less cells so simpler BMS. The 4V range is just a single 2500mAh 18650 cell with a thermistor
this 9Ah battery has only 2.55Ah x 9, so it is just about 7.5Ah. Heavy loading test will tell its capacity.
Longevity of the battery would be only concern tho you can still buy 2 of those for less than the genuine 6.0
Well they do run deals on 6.0ah quite often ...the appeal of this battery is it's 9.0ah .. milwaukee don't have a 9.0ah ...I was pretty surprised how compact and light it was to be honest...I'm sure milwaukee will have a 9.0ah possibly a 12.0ah with some higher capacity batteries at some point 👍
TOOL BOSS Have you heard any rumors about higher capacity M12 batteries?
M18 had to bump up to larger sized cells to get 4Ah per cell, but I can’t see how that would be possible with the M12 battery/handle design.
@@toolboss8410 Try to do some charge and discharge cycles of that 9.0
Batteries when they are charged and discharged and cycled used in the order they have become charged, it can give one an idea the longevity to where they peak in overall capacitance, where it levels off, and then how gradual the loss of overall charge capacity over time truly begins.
@@MrRobRizzle there is another youtube channel that discussed a patent regarding high output M12 batteries using 21700 cells. apparently the patent detailed the use of both 18650s in the stem and 21700 in the bottom base of the battery. curious to hear more about that and if that will lead to a sell off on current XC M12s
great review only charge with a standard charger tho the cells aren't rated for rapid charging
🙏🙏🙏👍🤙
The battery is so big that the rapid charger would most likely not push the cells too hard even if it is a knock-off because doesn’t the rapid charger only pump about six amps into the m12 batteries?
@Sam S The Waitley brand use(d) Samsung, LG, Sony, and others. They seem to go with whatever they have on hand, as each of the four that I have (9.0, purchased around 1.5 years ago) has different cells. The QC varies from battery to battery, one of the batteries like to try to cook it self, two work perfectly, one twice as long, so just a roll of the dice.
@Sam S Please do consider that my packs are almost two years old at this point. I can't say if Waitley has changed practices since then.
The only other thing I can speak on is the quality of the plastics is poor. all the retaining clips that hold the battery in the tool, break after normal use. and the casement is likely to crack if mishandled.
@@alexelam1127 from what I've heard, anything with a price that low and lithium battery is probably from old stock laptop batteries. I've heard they just part them out after so long. So I've heard anyways.
Just bought 2 of the knockoff 6ah's for 40 bucks to run lights and radio.
5 hours and 32 minutes not bad defenitly longer then the Milwaukee battery @Tool Boss
That right there is some things I would love for you to test and check into. I have regular m12 charger regular 18/12 charger and rapid 18/12 charger and you can charge a battery on say the regular then as soon as it fully charges put it on the rapid charge and it will turn red and continue to charge but pull it right back off and put it in the other charger it goes green saying fully charged again. Could be vise versa or whatever or even go from solo 12 charger to 18/12 charger and get the same thing. Does that mean there is something wrong with one of the chargers or is there a difference in the circuitry making one charge up a bit more than the other. This really aggravates me as I don’t want to overcharge and damage the battery just like I don’t want to undercharge and lose run time.
can't believe you don't have 2 of those lights, being they are so good
How much runtime does the the 9Ah lasts with the M12 Vacuum?
Did you buy that battery or did they send it to you? I ask because ive seen other aftermarket battery companies send RUclips channels battery packs with better cells inside them than they put in their packs.
I bought it a year ago or more
@@toolboss8410 kool that sounds like a pretty good deal then.
Picked up 2 just now .... Thankyou for saving us the time to test them .... cheap prices .... just how I like it
Excellent test, though the video is a bit long for my short attention span. I just got a Waitley 12V 6Ah battery to supplement my original Dewalt 12V 1.5Ah battery. I wanted to remove the cover of the Waitley, but the screws are down in a narrow, deeply recessed channel and I didn't have a tool that would fit. On the back of the Waitley along with the volts and amps is printed WTL120, not WTH watt hours or WTM watt minutes. Maybe watt lifetimes, watts per liter?
Maybe charge them on the ground? It may help and extend the tools contacts from breaking, due to gravity.
Ive had genuine milwaukee and knockoff 6.0 batteries for a while, they work the same on majority of the tools except on the m12 fuel circular saw 2530-20. The genuine milwaukee tools would have the saw cut 2by all day. When i tested the knock-off brands, they melted internally. I still have them on my workbench lol
Yes but yours were not this brand waitley.. I guarantee that because this is a solid brand-project Farm.. search him he does test reviews and found these were the absolute best generic batteries made by this company Waitley...
he found some generic batteries from other brands where decent and some were trash, with Waitley giving OEM performance..👍
There is a guy that took these apart and noted they use a different kind of lithium ion chemistry that is more susceptible to thermal runaway’s. But that’s probably not a real big deal on an impact wrench it gets used for 15/20 seconds and then gets to cool down a little bit. But for something like a saw that would not be the best. I’m gonna try one of these for just knocking around the drill. It’s not like I run it full out for twenty minutes straight.
I've been eyeing them. Thanks for upload!!!!
I bought the 6.0 amp battery version. It worth it for the cost.
I had some "low cost" M18 batteries and they worked fine in the beginning. But after a while, they would not charge on the Milwaukee charger.
Check your batteries voltage with a multimeter and if the voltage is lower than 7.5v the milwaukee charger will not charge it due to a safety feature. You can get a bench top power supply or connect the terminal of the dead battery to a fully charged good battery and wait a few hours and it will bring the dead battery back to life and it will have enough voltage for the milwaukee charger to charge it again. If it doesn't work than one of your cells is dead and you are out of luck.
@@randybobandy9828 Or he can test each of the cells and replace the one that's dead and put it all back together. But that's more work than many are willing to do.
@@carolewarner101 ya but that would be a last resort. Most times the cell isn't bad it's just under the cut off voltage.
@@randybobandy9828 Thanks for the info Randy. Valuable learning it!
In the m12 rocket light with a 6ah I have gotten 20 minutes shy of 4 hours every time I have used it with a 6ah @Tool Boss
Yea I guess 3:38 about right then 👍
@@toolboss8410 yep about right
Damn that's pretty good for a knock off
I think these use a crappier lithium cell type so you gotta not overheat them. Probably fine in a drill or something. But not in a saw or vacuum. If you run them and then let them cool down again between use - such as a screw driver would see - probably good. There was a guy in UK that took them apart and showed the crappier battery cells. That said - I’m gonna buy one and it should be fine for light usage.
I bought two 6.0 battery and charged them once. They still have 2 bars. I will say the 9.0 and the 6.0 will come even.
WHat actual cells are in the packs? That would tell you what you're actually getting.
Can you do a review on your pink washer dryer combo?
Wow that is a massive m12 battery @Tool Boss
Waitley makes great batteries. It is a genuine 9ah battery also. Check out my m12 1.6 gallon shop vac video with it. I got just under 21 mins run time on high
Would be great with the m12 die grinders also @Tool Boss
They don’t need to state Wh as they already state 9Ah so with a nominal voltage of 12V, then 9Ah = 108Wh Milwaukee stating that a 6Ah 12V battery is 72Wh is redundant info (even though their nominal voltage is only 11.1V)
They should..again did a test on 18v 9.0ah ..neither did it say watt hours or was it truely a 9.0ah battery ..they can put whatever they want on sticker
TOOL BOSS - 9Ah on 18V is 162Wh - although the nominal slightly higher at 18.5V
Yea I understand that...but they can say whatever they want .. doesn't mean it's true
@@toolboss8410 - yes. I understand that also. You seem to be missing my point. You seem to suggesting that by leaving off Wh hour they were *trying* to be misleading. How? They've provided the other two variables - 9Ah and 12V. The fact that they can say whatever they want does not change the fact that one set of units is easily calculated from the other. They *could* have put whatever they wanted on the Ah rating too! The cells themselves inside will contain an Ah rating and a voltage - direct from reputable manufacturers - simply because Wh is redundant information. Voltage and (claimed) Ah rating is provided. And while we are on that point - the 72Wh from Milwaukee themselves is "claiming whatever they want". They have 3 cells at 3.7V each - that is 11.1V. If it is *truly* a 6Ah battery, then the Wh is 66.6W and *not* their claimed 72Wh - it cuts both ways. Perhaps the reason the "knock off" chose to leave this data off? If they told the truth, it would be a lower equivalent number to Milwaukee's claim of 72Wh - which is false.
If someone was buying into the Milwaukee line for home/diy purposes, would you recommend M12 or M18?
I agree with jcbsmith78. It is just easier to grab he m12 than the m18.
@@lonedesertfox thanks for the input! I've been going back and forth for a while about which one to get
@@jcbsmth78 appreciate the feedback!
That M12 Stubby 3/8 impact is a little monster. For home, it will do anything you throw at it.
M12 fine for diy , homeowner 👍
The run time test on a light is ok. But torture it on that stubby impact a bit and see what kind of "real" performance it has. Will it the battery overheat like a real Milwaukee battery when used in a high demand situation? What's its recharge time like when dead? Hows it "hot" recharge time like? How many years will this battery keep up its performance? Try dropping it on the concrete floor. We all drop out tools! It happens! Will this thing smash to pieces where the Milwaukee batteries are pretty robust in this manner?
To really test if it was a 9ah battery you should've tested power output (wattage output)...you just tested capacity...more batteries equates to more capacity = higher run time...testing for TORQUE would've showed you if it was a TRUE 9ah battery...9amps/hr should give more electrical current per hour increasing torque in a brushless motor.
I know this is an older video but the link provided shows a different brand on Amazon. Is this brand the same as waitley? Pretty big price difference, too
Waitley
Im a dewalt guy myself but i do have 1 m12 tool that is the brushless rotary hammer. I see i will get more runtime but i wonder if i will get the same power, more, or less out of this battery. I no the bottom base wont sit flat but not too big a deal to me since i attached a dewalt belt hook to my drill that doesnt allow the base to sit flat with any battery. What do you think TOOL BOSS about a power difference?
Edit: if it gets less power then a m12 6.0 that may negate any possible runtime difference as less power could decrease the runtime depending on the task
Edit again: i do not see model rotary hammer 2416 listed on amazon listing as a compatible tool. Well see if manufacturer responds to my question on amazon
Got confirmation on amazon question that this battery does work on m12 rotary hammer 2416
Easy enough to change the cells with a little know how
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I changed out the dying cells in a 7 year old M12 1.3Ah pack. Shorted it a couple of times, smoke ensued, ruined it. Tried again on another old pack and was much more careful, and got it refreshed to 3.0 with new Panasonic cells. So yes, you can but it’s not as easy as I thought it would be.
@@m60mgman changing batteries is easy when your careful
@@m60mgman dude. What panasonic cells did you use? There are no 3ah panasonic cells that have enough power to run a power tool. You need to look up what cells are meant for power tools and I assure you the ones you used are not powerful enough. You also won't get the full 3ah out of them if you use them with heavy drain tools. You need sony vtc6 3ah cells if you want capacity and power. They are rated at 25amps. You want cells with atleast 20amp output.
Tool Boss love your videos. Where can I get a Milwaukee M18 12.0Ah battery? Cheaper than Home Depot $200.00 Thanks
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Wonder what the longevity of this battery was? Any news on that?
Does it affect the performance of the tool? Ex. the stubby
Should have done a recharge time difference on the 9 and 6ah
Watt hours is simple to calculate. You multiply the nominal voltage of the pack which is 12v and multiply it by the amp hour rating. 12v x 6ah = 72wh.
12v x 9ah = 108wh.
Also milwaukee is overeating their m12 watt hours. Its really 11.1v nominal so a 6ah battery is only 66.6wh.
Indeed .. most other brands do the same
Best m12 battery on the market for the price
Well Milwaukee... time to step it up, throw some 21700 cells in and get us some new 12. Volt high amp batteries
The m12 platform will never get 21700 cells in it. The reason? Because the way the batteryvhooks up to the tool. The batteries have 3 cells bunched together that go inside the handle of the tool and only 3 18650 cells will fit. 21700 cells are too fat. The reason they call 18650 what it is is because it's the dimension of the cell. 18 means 18mm in diameter and 650 means 65mm long. So a 21700 cell is 21mm in diameter and 70mm long. So it will never work.
@@randybobandy9828 Good point... but they don't have to put 3 21700 vertically into the handle portion, couldn't they just put one or two and still shape the plastic in the same triangle form (it would have some spare room of course) and leave the rest of the cells in the pack ( bottom)?
This would still make the bottom a little bigger (longer) but it could work..
highly unlikely though like you said and also don't think many people know what the numbers stand for on the cells .. simply put-the dimensions...
But yes they've kind of designed these m12nbatteries the part that goes into the handle itself) around the 18650 cell haven't they?
If you open it, you will see how much every single battery has ah. Then you multiply it with number of batteries and you have the result. Wether its real 9h or 7ah. It would be really cool, cuz then all makita and dewalt 18v users would know if waitley really puts 9ah into the battery housing. Because in european amazon those 9ah 18v waitley cost the same as the original 6ah makita/dewalt battery
Wish you had actually weighed them, and the Milwaukee 6.0
@TOOL BOSS
Did you ever get around to testing that dewalt 12v generic oversize Battery?
Nothing to really test it against ..unless I just do a run test and Dewalt don't really have a 12v tool to run a time test on efficiently
Have you tried this in a tool yet like a drill or multi tool? Or are you totally against using this in one of your favorite tools? These few vids you’ve made on this battery really got me thinking about buying one, lol 😂 never thought I would ever.
I have a few update vids the battery works great in every tool and I use every day ..
So does this imply that a 9.0 battery is coming from Milwaukee as a part of the 2020 nps?
I wouldn’t hold my breathe these aftermarket 9ah have been out for awhile now. But you never know they could.
Yeah probably like 399+tax lol
Hey Tool Boss ...Do you know where I can get my hands on a dewalt pole hedger ?
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what is the weight of the nine and what is the weight of the six?
By the way the wh are calculated like that, you multiply the number of volts by the number of amps for example: 12v x 6ah = 72wh or 12v x 9ah = 108wh or 18v x 5ah = 90wh, I hope this comment helped you to figure out even if you knewed that's good too.
Great video! Lol whats up with all the graphics cards?
would it work for the heated jacket?
Absolutely
Do you recommend this knock off or not?
Just remember milwaukee pays about $12 per the battery if not less and they sell you for $99. So for this battery been $36 doesn't really justify
I don't like using these aftermarket batteries with my expensive cordless tools.
Don't like the possibility of something going wrong.
Use a renegade battery; tool gets toasted; go to collect on the warranty; Milwaukee says: sorry pal...
They're all made in Taiwan either way lol look at your Milwaukee battery and read the label.
@@CalebsCars say what you will...
I speak (or write) from experience; aftermarket batteries are not the same as original equipment.
Eh I can't bring myself to buy the knock off batteries for any brand tool. I think that it'll be a hassle when I need them and the batt has failed.
Have you had a chance to test it on power tools like an impact ? Nice video btw, keep it up 🙂
Thanks buddy
Impressive. I wonder what cells are in that 9.0AH knock off? 😯🤔
RED tape *wink* lol
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The Knock-Offs are getting better and obviously you got a good one but it's still a crap shoot and let's hope it takes more than 1 charge, lol , have you changed it again ??
Yes sir 👍
You just saved me some money man! I'm subscribing for sure.
Thank you for the link.
hello Sir, any update on this knock off battery?
I don't know why youvlike the 8ah more than the 6ah. I've noticed the 6ah battery outperform the 8ah
The drawback of the knockoff battery is that you have to watch it charge because there is a possibility it could burn your house down to the ground.
Nice job boss
We're can I buy this 9.0ah battery thanks
Link is in description
ok test but you need to do high load test. You proved that battery has a 9Ah of capacity. But there are many things that determine the quality of the battery. The real test of the battery comes under load and how often you charge it. Read some articles/videos from people who race RC cars or planes and you will get a true picture of how much range in quality there is with cheap batteries. Most people ruin there batteries because they are not stored properly. Its the infrequent user who often wrecks his lithium because they have this idea stuck in there head that a lithium should be stored fully charged. Your right its a cheap battery and who cares if it doesn't last as long but I am one that wants my tools to work when I use them. Having the battery go dead 15 minutes after I start using the tool doesn't cut it with me.
That said your video was good. I liked it. Maybe you can take it farther with your testing
Wouldn't even make sense. If they use 18650 or 21700 batteries. Then aren't losing money selling it 35-bucks(which for three 18650 quality batteries thats 30+ bucks by itself. Looks like 6-9 plus 2-3 on top). But now if its cheap BS 18650 batteries(which would be 1-3 bucks each....), then it will NEVER deliver the AMP/volt/watt you desire for a true power tool. Sure I bet it runs longer, for all the low-end batteries basically have higher Mah than the ones that actually deliver solid power. The other main concern would be any if at all built-in protection. For a real power tool like m12 fuel drill, will still demand the full extend of power regardless of the battery. When it does and those cheap batteries aren't spec for it, they will overheat and seep, then possible explode on you(but it will work, long as you watch the heat). Look at cheap e-cigs that blow up, same reasoning. Then its similar in use, for both draw high for these type of batteries. Id never buy such a battery for a tool that demands such power.
18:30 What do you mean it doesn't tell you how many amp hours it has? It says it right on the side. 9.0 Duuu
He means watt hours, not amp hours.
@@Dale37 @Dale86 Watt hours and amp hours are the same thing. 9amp hrs @ 12v (9×12=108 watt hours) And it says it right on the side of the battery.
Amp hours x volts= Watts Of course he could have done the math, apparently he wasn't thinking as clearly and no amp hours & watts hours are two different things just like you proved.
@@Dale37 Dude, why are you trying to pick a fight? Watt hours and amp hours are the same thing. They're two different ways to express the amount of power any source has. Please do tell me how Watt hours and amp hours are different?
@@TheVoceOfReason Go tell an electrician that. You are the one who keeps trying to prove yourself right when you are wrong. Go look at an ohms law chart. I bet you are gonna find volts, amps, watts and ohms on their.
For 36 bucks I'm in let me go to Amazon website.
Awesome video
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They're good, just don't drop it it's brittle
Good stuff
Great vid Boss.
Tool boss showing his dirty laundry!!
Hey those are clean !!🤙
$36 can't beat that period even if it lasted 3 hrs
Sweet!
Now if they still sold them a year later and they are the same quality.
Chris Bramblett they do still sell them. And the Waitley batteries consistently get positive reviews. While I have yet to try them myself, based on he reviews I’ve seen on third party batteries, they are the only brand I might try.
BTW, current price is 2x 9.0 M12 for $60 US, or 1x for $36
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@@diemman70 just to let you know I bought a bunch of the vanon batteries and I would not recommend them I can't charge them unless I use the rapid charger none of my other chargers will work on them and they die pretty fast they say 6.0ah but last like 3.0ah I have heard from several people that the waitley are alot better battery
graphics cards? playhouse ovens? what other secret channels do you run?
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