Hitler's Plans for the Netherlands in World War II
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2022
- On 10 May 1940 Germany invaded the Netherlands. The German invasion of the Netherlands was completed on 15 May when the Dutch Army surrendered. The German occupation of the Netherlands started. This was led by Arthur Seyss-Inquart. What were there Germans plans for occupied-Netherlands during World War II? The Dutch collaboration party (NSB; National Socialist Movement; Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging) was not on the same page with the Germans. NSB leader Anton Mussert wanted the Netherlands to become independent albeit under fascist rule. The Germans foresaw the Netherlands to be part of the Greater Germanic Reich. But not all German leaders were on the same page...
History Hustle presents: The German Plans for Occupied-Netherlands in World War II.
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- Grijs verleden. Nederland en de Tweede Wereldoorlog (Chris van der Heijden).
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Hey Stefan zou je deze video in hèt Nederlands willen doen?
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My grandparents talked so much about the war, especially the last years of their lives. They were children when the war ended (9 and 14) but it impacted their lifes enormously.
Luckily they raised us without any bitterness towards the Germans, but they said they could never be friends with Germans old enough to have participated in the war.
My father was the same age and he must work in Germany for those pigs.
@ruud195 same for my grandfather..they took him from The Netherlands, because they hid a jew baby of some neighbors, and send him on forced labor to Germany for almost a year, he came back and joined the resistance to get back at them.
I never had any resentment to the germans, but..germans will be germans always and I could never be friends of them...is just a matter of time that they show again to the World..what shi**y people they are with their airs of superiority
History has proven already what sons of bitch*s they are,from 1914 to 1945...they have caused enough damage and still today, there thousands and millions who bear the scars of the wound s inflicted by them..
And now naz*s are on the rise again...check out the movements in Germany now a days..
@@ruud195 lol
@@pascal026 Lol? pig.
Very interesting video, Thank you Stefan!
Thanks for watching.
very informative, keep it coming!
Interessant deze aflevering. Dank voor de uitleg.
Dank voor het kijken.
@@HistoryHustle mooie uitleg kan ik waarderen
Stefan, mooi presentatien duidelijk weergegeven 👍 !
Bedankt, Fred!
Stefan, thank you, your knowledge once again demonstrates its vastness ❤
✌️ Jesse
Many thanks as always Jesse!!
This was a very interesting video, keep it up!
Great stuff Stefan, really interesting!
Cheers.
Ik heb dit nog nooit op school meegekregen zal ik je dat eens zeggen! Wat word er weinig verteld over de oorlog zeg, gewoon een schande aangezien het nog steeds belangrijk is om mee te geven aan de nieuwe generaties. Ik ben geabonneerd ! Top video’s, ga zo door!
Welkom op het kanaal!
Stefan, weer een goede & interessante video👍
Bedankt!
Hey thanks for covering our history in WW2 man! Always very interesting. And I feel people need to hear more about it because they miss a lot of nuances about it (I.E. the Netherlands were 'nazi', as the claim aparently goes).
Enneh... Verder, puik kanaaltje man. Heb geabonneerd. Zie graag meer van u. 👍
Dank, Stefan. Het 6¼ verhaal had ik van mijn opa al eens gehoord en ik had begrepen dat het op zijn lichamelijke handicap betrekking had (hij liep mank). Verder goed verhaal. Ik zie echter wel een onderscheid tussen fascisme en nationaal socialisme; dat wordt nog wel eens op een hoop gegooid.
Claim the land, it's not about races !
Who owns the land ! Or let the refugees of the hate regimes take it ?
Why you need him? What is he understanding ?
Inderdaad, fascisme is wat de duitsers nu nog hebben, harde lockdowns, mondkapjesplicht zonder medische uitzondering, geen vrijheid van meningsuiting tegen hun regime en allerlei andere onbenullige wetten en regels. Maar ze hebben het nationalistische deel overboord gegooid en hun land aan China verkocht, ook zo'n lekker fascistisch regime. Socialisme hebben ze nog wel...
@@robinderoos1166 Neem een biertje ...
Goed uitgelegd! Complimenten.
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As always, very interesting Stefan! Groeten uit Canada.
Bedankt Char!
Lots of Dutch in Canada, trust me.
@@StoneCrow189 I live in Peterborough, Ont. and just up the street from me is a Dutch food shop that is packed with Dutch Canadian shoppers every Saturday morning. I lived outside of Rotterdam for 12 years, so when I moved back to Canada I was pleased to know I could get my fix of komijn kaas without leaving the country :-)
@@CharCanuck14 Gouda is everywhere !
That was extremely interesting, thank you
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Very interesting. We forget about the tragedy of the smaller nations that tried to remain neutral and we’re swept up by World War II.
Thanks for watching.
So sorry to think that my grandparents had to go through all that. My grandmother was in Amsterdam in the Nazis invaded and my grandfather was in denhelder when they invaded as well. Thanks for you for the work you do sir.
how old are u?
@@randomguy6152 My parents we're not alive at the time. I wasn't even a thought.
Den Helder, more villages in the North kept being Nazi supporters, Zantvoort etc.
En nu heeft de belastingdienst de vrouw uit het gezin gehaald en de arbeidsmarkt opgedwongen zodat de staat van beide geslachten belasting kan innen, onze kinderen worden gay en trans gemaakt, geboortecijfer is 1.2 ofzo bijna zelfmoord van ons volk, ons volk wordt omgevolkt voor afrikanen en arabieren. De goeie hebben de oorlog verloren helaas en we zitten nu in de eindfase.
@@dutchman7216 my grandparents are in their 70s and never seen ww2 so how old are u bruh
Die ZeseneenKwart was een hardliner niet-te-zuinig. Van het begin tot het eind heeft ie hier gezeten. Wederom een goede video hosselaar. Moeilijk om de grotere vragen der geschiedenis in een pakkend filmpje te zetten maar jij kunt dat.
Super om te lezen. Bedankt.
Great video!
Thanks.
I love your videos they're the best.
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Actually very few documentaries cover this part of history, with the exception of one of the episodes of the documentary The World At War in the 70s. Thanks Mr Teacher for elaborating the details.
Incidentally The World At War annoyed the USSR at the time for lack of detailed coverage of the Eastern Front (say why covering the Netherlands and Burma or the likes which were minor theatres) resulting in the USSR doing their own documentary series about the Eastern Front The Unknown War.
The Soviet version must have been propaganda on steroids… 😓
And the western ones werent? There might be a lot less propagande in the western ones but they still contained propaganda
Bedankt Stefan!
Dank voor het kijken.
Thanks Stephan, for the explanation of Dutch life and thought during the Nazi occupation. Greetings.
Interesting video
It was, you should have watched it before commenting! Ha 👍🏼
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@@HistoryHustle Do you plan any interesting videos to do?
@@Fifa-qq4ru you must be 12 years old, no doubt about it
Mooie video man
Bedankt.
The Dutch struggle to tell the Dutch what to do so I doubt the Nazis fared too well.
Fair point.
Great video Stefan , as people mostly focus on ww2 and lesser extend one the events leading up to the war it self but never on what the germans, italians and japanese actualy wanted after the war .
Nice suit!
@@rvansteensel420 Not that much of a noncense as what the bourgondia would resemble would be the same area as pre hapsburgs rule . and lotheringia . before that .
You're forgetting the Spanish, and the Vichy administration. In fact even Churchill was initially a fan of the nazi movement. We like to pretend that we had nothing to do with it, but the reality is that many of the nazi concepts have been incorporated in our present day life and are being advocated by political parties that are generally referred to as decent and respectable. Would our lives have been different if Germany had won? I find that an impossible question. The European federation has seized more territory than the Nazis ever aimed for and it is apparent that their hunger for more power is far from over yet.
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The germans that occupied my hometown behaved more respectful to the villagers then the allied troops did allied troops even committed crimes like looting and raping. My grandfather was german and always respected him he sadly never talked much about the war and i don’t know why. I Loved the tv show Fairly odd parents and spongebob wich was available in dutch but me and my brother would watch it always translated in german because we liked it more because we would watch it always in german at my grandparents house. We actually learned german from it. Once german family members came to visit i would always say “leb wohl” when they left it was the first german word i said i was 6 years old. Never saw those family members again
Very interesting, well done. Cheers.
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Weer een dope video. ^-^
Dank 👍
Very informative and interesting look into this topic. I live in California, but I lived in Amsterdam for 3 yrs before. You do not have the typical accent Dutch have when speaking English. I wonder why? Salut!
Thanks for your reply. Did practise a lot.
Great one Stefan. I am curious about anything on side effects of pervitin documented on the German army post war
Hi Shrirang, thanks again for your reply! Perhaps some interesting topic if I can find information on it.
@@HistoryHustle I am confident about you sir
@@HistoryHustle There is a book about the drug abuse of the Third Reich. It is called: “Drugs in het derde rijk”. I thought it was written by Norman Ohler. Very interessting book about the drugs abuse and how it possibly effected the outcome of the war.
Interessant onderwerp, maar dit is wel de reden dat ik vroeger altijd in slaap viel tijdens de geschiedenis les!
Hallo meneer Stefan, waarschijnlijk staan de landsingstelingen op uw kanaal op het verkeerde land, u maakt wel erg goede en informatieve filmpjes, ga zo door!
Dictatorship and dutch way of life does not fit together. Libertarian cheers from Brazil! 🇧🇷
your getting wrong info about netherlands.. the prime minister is a sort of dictator
@@gpstoner1338 I hope the people resist by the agorism. Thank you.
than why is the netherlands a communist tirrany now, ruled by the world economic forum?
@@gerieveen429 The people does not resist enough, though.
@@marcoskehl the dutch farmers are resisting the landgrab by the communist government, but widespread protests by the population have still not started, and when food production will stop it will be to late.
The Reich annexed Luxemburg and perhaps Belgium could have been annexed as well, but the Calvinistic/liberal tradition of the Netherlands was too different for Germany to absorb.
Give them a 100 years and they could very much limit my peoples identities, I am very happy we got rid of the nazi yoike.
Indeed, and that surprised the Germans.
Are there any sources in English?
I mean books
Dont know myself since I use Dutch sources.
My mom in law s Dutch and my husband half Dutch (half Scottish). So I know the Dutch are famous for their stubbornness. It’s possible the German were like yeah let’s rather not tangle with these Dutch🤔
Good point.
Totally not. The Dutch are tamed.
Working at a the Haarlem history museum I have to contest that, our town actually had a lot of collaboration with the the nazis. Our mayor was a nsb party member and when the nazis first rolled in to town they were welcomed with open arms by the party and a lot of the citizens. Which is not something that gets talked about a lot and most people would like to sweep this under the rug. We Dutch almost exclusively try to focus on the resistance fighters like hannie schaft and remember the war through the lens of soldaat van oranje/zwart boek stories these days, but we need to remember that most people were just turning a blind eye for their own benefit or even willfully participated. Like one of my colleagues who's father had a garage and worked on the cars of the nazi leadership and never even thought of resisting or sticking it to them. The Dutch are sober people, always trying to go with the grain and looking out for their own self interest, we are seldom very ideological or passionate about a cause, we do what needs to be done to survive. Like Henri Boot, an artist who collaborated because he wanted to be able to still show and sell his paintings during the occupation, and so he worked with the nazi partt and tried to convince others to do the same. After the war he was prohibited from showing his work for ten years or so, but when these ten years had passed he was forgiven and happily welcomed back by the art society in Haarlem.
@@TheMasterSwingtrader let me guess, this comment is somehow covid related
They still are the part of the 4th rijk f racist
Hoi !! :) :) Hello :) I love your work, watching for a long time - I remember, very clearly horrible `Hunger Winter in the Netherlands, from the documentary's played here in the UK ( also from German ZDF TV from our History channel - great work , brilliant document ! Netherlands is a small country -- Duch were so brave, still defending abusing power - My, myself, had lived in Netherlands for couple of months- have seen Den Hague beach, Maastricht and Amsterdam - beautiful country, brilliant people so friendly.. Looking for a new documentaries :)
No they weren't. E.g. , the municipality of Amsterdam enthusiastically mapped out where there were jews living in the city, so much so, that the Verwalter for "Jewish Emigration" wrote to Berlin to praise Dutch enthusiasm for the cause.
Interesting!
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Interessante video als altijd :)
De Duitse keizer Wilhelm II had ook graag Nederland als deelstaat in het Duitse Rijk van wat mijn geschiedenis leraar mij ooit op school vertelde
Van wat ik begrepen had van mijn leraar duwde hij Hendrik van Mecklenburg-Schwerin naar voren als huwelijks kandidaat voor prinses Wilhelmina in de hoop dat hij de titel van koning zou krijgen en dan op 1 of andere manier Nederland deelstaat zou kunnen maken van Duitsland.
Of dit klopt weet ik niet, heb er niets van kunnen vinden qua geschiedkundige bronnen. De minister-presidenten Thorbecke en Colijn schijnen al met de gedachte gespeeld te hebben.
Dat zijn leuke, goeie vragen!
Damn, I had no idea about all this even though I'm Dutch myself. Very interesting. Thank you for this video :)
Bedankt, Daan!
Rete-interessant, wat een goed stuk weer!
(Excusez le mot....)
My main hustler at it again 🤌💯
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My uncle's B-24 lies in 10 meters of water off the island of Goes. It was found about 15 years ago, identified by the serial numbers on the .50 caliber guns. The pilot and bombardier names are on the Wall of the Missing somewhere in the country. Not sure where. My uncle is buried in the Ardennes Cemetery.
Most of this was new to me. But I do miss the information about what the Germans planned to do with the Dutch Jews. I find it hard to leave out this aspect of your story. But thanks,, you had me captivated and I liked your video.
Myn pake wei fan Fryslân. As a youth he was forced to work on a labour farm for the Nazis. He ran away and was nearly caught multiple times. He cross dressed as one of his sisters to survive. Amazing story. I'd like to know more about the occupation of Fryslân. Tank!
Dear Stephan, thank you again for your video. I have one question and one remark.
My question is: how do you value Felix Kersten's note in his memoirs that Himmler was planning to resettle most of Dutch people to the occupied East? Did it have some realistic basis or was it just a fantasy of Kersten?
And my remark about Nazism and intelligency. It's one of the most common points of view that Nazism is such a counter-intellectual ideology. But we can see that so many intellectual people were involved into support of Nazi ideas. Even though we know about a lot of scientists, philosophers, cultural people who supported Nazism and its movement, we also know that, for example 80% of German doctors of medicine became Nazis; most of high- and middle-ranked German secret police and SD-executives were doctors of at least law but also philosophy, economy or medicine. And the most horrible type of Nazi ideology's influence on these kinds of people was they became mass murders very fast and with great eagerness. My friends Igor Petrov (independent historical researcher, Munich) and Oleg Beida (PhD of New Souhern Wales university, now working in Melbourn) unearthed a more or less clear biography of Gen. G. Heinrici's personal translator Hans Beutelspacher (from Heirici's memoirs published by prof. J. Hurter and translated into Russian by Igor and Oleg: "Yesterday I told to my translator Lt. Beutelspacher not to hang partisans next to my window"). He was a soil scientist and university professor, but during the WW2 he become a chief of "counter partisan" unit and murdered a lot of civilians and people who were marked as "bandits" by Nazis. And personally for me it's still a big mystery, how and by what kind of way such a dirty and murderous ideology as Nazism became so catching for a lot of intellectuals.
The quote on 08:49, it’s true, to this day it’s still integrated in the Dutch mentality. Such with the Covid restrictions, we were asked to uphold the rules but in reality half of the people would still do everything the normal way.
Pretty much.
Covid teaches us, that Dutch people can be so convinced of their own non-conformism, that they start acting as a non-conformist herd. And the same indifference to people who are not immediately in you sphere of influence or even visibiliity explains the stoicism with which the Dutch regard 80000 covid deaths, the vast majority in nursing homes. All preventable deaths, and people in care facility on average lost 10 years
Abandoned by the Habsburg dynasty, oppressed by the Spanish, a declaration of independence followed. The 80 years it took to earn independence made us stand on our own feet and for some time we became the naval hegemon on this planet. We chose our own path ever since, occupied or not by French or German forces. Stubborn yes, but also open to new impressions, even visible in the language after the occupation of Napoleonic France. There were some ideas that we adopted and some we refused. We go by what works for us in general, though i'd say we've abandoned that with the EU becoming a political entity. As soon as the eurocrats made it a political union, we should have abandoned it as it is doomed to completely fail. Already we see so many protests because of corrupt EU policies that favor big companies and other interests over that of the actual people. Also what works for Greeks, doesn't work for Germans etc. We're way too different and that's nice and good. We still can cooperate and have low to no trade barriers. We don't need a political union for that.
@@AwoudeX You would probably also be against the centralization of the Dutch United Provinces back in the day and sound like a Grand Pensionary of Holland.
@@5thMilitia If at the time the United Provinces leadership was equally undemocratic and corrupt, yes i defenitely would be.
Very interesting perspective about dutch mentality and social structure at that time.
Thanks for your reply, Carlos.
Would you recommend the book: Grijs verleden: Nederland en de Tweede Wereldoorlog by Chris van de Heijden? I read mixed reviews of it. Let me know!
Not read it fully yet, but it is a good one. It sheds an unusual light on NL in WW2 with eye for many details.
Zes en een kwart was because he walked crookedly if im correct. One of his legs did not function properly. Very interesting note on his reflection at the end of the video
Yes, youre right about that.
Many years ago I read in a reader's digest magazine the account of the deportation of the Dutch to Poland: according to Himmler they were race traitors, although not as pure as the German race.(I read later that this is much discussed, that Kersten would not have prevented such deportation)). As far as northern France was concerned, perhaps the plan would have been implemented, but not for the rest of the French and Italians who had to supply the Reich with their raw materials by working under "acceptable" conditions.For the Slavic peoples the fate was horrible.It should be remembered that the Dutch proved to be, in the vast majority, a people to be admired.
A great thing you are doing.. it’s so important To now..the new generation .. wants wants to understand and wants to know the reason why the generation before us concerned whit the past.. like there is a truth in it .. the mass did The unthinkable .., it Wase to create their one future I think ..like us to get over it .. we in the here and Now .. and them in the past .. we got a new path . The one of beware.. for the slip of the past ..we are are all here and are al lovebol.. the good rulle in us all .. bud the Butcher of tomorrow is already born ,, like than .. we got to be aware of that.. and now .. don’t not give them a chance to do it again…. Thanks again for the great videos, and the lessons you teach us ..z
as old Am citizen, Dutch are important in Euro history, WW2 no exception (ex. Anne Frank) and Now (Dutch Farmers protest)- why I pay attn to this facinating channel, many thanks!!
Glad you appreciate. I don't really think someone will talk about the farmers 80 years from now, like people now talk about Anne Frank, but we'll see.
the farmer's protest has many antisemitic tendencies
Where did you get the posters in the background?
Marktplaats, Dutch eBay sort of.
This video dealt with Nazi ideology in a clearer way than any other video I have watched. Thank you!
Thanks for your reply.
is this where they launched all the V2s from?
Stefan, how do you think about the role of the Netherlands in the Fourth Reich at the moment, battling Russia, just as Hitler did.?
Did you include the short lived Nederlandsche Volksunie initiative? Many of the politicians who were in it, returned in leading political roles after the occupation.
Sure something for the future.
My father was born in 1941 and lived during the winter famine.
No wonder he eats everything
I understand.
Also an interesting fact is that Theo Hiddema (whose father was in the NSB) after the war became Florry Rost van Tonningen's lawyer.
Didnt know about Hiddema's father. There is a very interesting talkshow online with Tonnie in it.
@@HistoryHustle She never reflected on her or her husband's role in nazism, but she did present herself as a Victim nonetheless
I can envisage Denmark sharing an almost identical fate to the Netherlands, i.e an eventual subjection to a type of ‘ Alsace-Lorraine ‘ -ism.
Ik heb in een ver verleden wel eens gelezen dat men feitelijk de Nederlandse bevolking naar het oosten (Rusland) wilden transporteren klopt dit deels ?
Dat was een gerucht dat rond ging in bezet Nederland maar onwaar een te zijn.
Netherlands would unite with Bavaria and Austria,like Hanse and Prussians did,Netherlands would have language autonomy.
Have you ever considered doing something about Meinoud Rost van Tonningen and de Nederlandsche Oost-Compagnie?
Perhaps one day I will.
Very informative video. Well the union of germanic nations was a nzi goal. You see in slavs with russians and turan with turks. I remember hearing that dutch who even fought under the Ss did not want to be under the german control but they cooperated against communism. To be honest i doubt at the time if europeans had any plans and ideals apart from fighting communism.
Jewis SS Freiwillige wanted to be Nazis and be under German command. Europeans at that time could be members of huge nazi movements. And they were. Don't try to whitewash
I heard the bell at 9:16. Ding Dong! I always felt the Dutch have a strong independent streak, even if some agreed with the concept of National Socialism. However, they would have their own version, and not necessarily the German version. Take it easy.
It was very hypocritical of the Dutch to have to endure 5 years of brutal German occupation, then to turn around and fight a brutal war of re-occupation in Indonesia.
In a way it was.
@@HistoryHustle I'd say more than just a way. The Dutch suffered greatly during the Nazi occupation, yet couldn't emphasize with the suffering they were causing the Indonesians. This is the very essence of hypocrisy.
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Cheers!
The museum in Rijsoord is worth the visit! I live across the opposit of the street.
I read a while back it was for sale. But it's still there? Hope I can check it out.
@@HistoryHustle yes it’s still there and it’s still for sale. You even get a whole historic school included in the building itself
@@HistoryHustle on the website of Funda you can find great photos and a video about it.
If the Germans did not have hostile masters towards Dutch society, why was the joint Johann Strauss Orchestra under the direction of father of Andre Rieu not created at that time?
Wilt u een video maken over de soldaten die in Rotterdam stand hielden op de brug
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Great content. Thank you. BZ.
The Germans wanted to include the Dutch in their grand scheme of Germanization of the conquered east.
Surprisingly the Dutch state invested millions in the plan. 5,500 Dutch volunteered, businessmen traveled eastward to be appointed in managerial positions of expropriated companies. Craftsmen and small businessmen were selected to fill the void left when those deemed "incompatible" where removed.
I understand greed and adventure are great motivators for the individual. Any thoughts on why the Dutch state participated in the scheme?
At a guess because the Dutch state was effectively run by the Germans. They could either "voluntarily" pay into the scheme or have the Nazis forcibly take much, much more.
@@PatGilliland I've read that as a reason and all the way to restoring the nation’s colonial grandeur.
Many German business people in cheap Rayon suits went to Poland for exploitation as well.Of course the Rayon was soon replaced by the finest fabrics, tailor made.
Than you for your observations. 🙏🇦🇺
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You must be confused. The Dutch government during the German occupation was located in London and most certainly did not “invest” in the Reich.
Again a very interesting study thanks !
My point of vue : The German attacks in 14 and 40 probably "de-Germanised" a lot of territories in the Benelux. It is true both for culture and language, as a French speaking Belgian born on the "taal grens" (language border), language is a marker but culture would be even more so. It is particularly true in Belgium which is a country wich was a fusion of French and Germanic civilisations following the historian Pirenne.
Maybe even without the first world war the language of North Belgium would be German rather than Dutch ?
Let's look at the language.
If, at the beginning of the 19th century, you had asked people in Limburg or Belgian Brabant what language they spoke, what would they have answered? Flemish? Dutch? Neither ! According to Jan Frans Willems, who reported it in 1837 (I have read it), the answer was almost the same : 'Ik spreech Duitsch', literally 'I speak German'!. The famous philologist suggested, however, that it should be understood as 'Dietsch' or "Thies" 'Thiois' in French I do not know the English traduction if it exists. In 1900 there were still more than 10,000 Brabant's inhabitants who claimed to speak German. However, in 47, there were about 3,000 of them... Of course it was not German but something much closer to German than to Dutch.
A still better and stronger example, in the south of Belgium at the Luxembourg border, in 1910 there were well over 30,000 Belgian Luxemburgers who claimed to speak 'German'.In 1947, there were less than 3,000...
Again it was not realy German but Arlerplaat, again quite more German than Dutch. Now almost nobody speaks it !
In short, the attempts of a military Germanisation led to a total linguistic and cultural de-Germanisation of entire populations in the Benelux. What you explain for Holland was true for Belgium. The Flemish and the former "German dialect' speakers did not want to be Germans.
It was a different story with the German population of the east of Liège but they were annexed in 1918. So they were former Germans, true Germans not people with a language and a culture which could be considered as Germanic.
Also it would maybe be different if Germany won but Germany lost : Vae Victis.
Up until about the 1800s, "Duits" or "Nederduits" was the most common name people referred to their own language as. The word literally means "of the people" and back then the loose "Duits" identity included the Netherlands, Flanders, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. This was before nation states became standard, so it was possible to consider yourself the same people without sharing a state.
The important context here is that Dutch and German are two standardised languages, but back in those days most people spoke a dialect. There were no hard linguistic borders between those dialects; it was a dialect continuum. A town on the Dutch border with Germany could understand people from a German town next to them better than they could people in Amsterdam.
The Standard Dutch language is based on the dialects spoken around Holland and Vlaanderen, whilst Standard German has its roots in High German, which is from all the way on the other end of the continuum. Once those standard languages started replacing dialects all the way to the political borders, the towns right next to each other suddenly couldn't understand each other as easily anymore.
But the name "Nederduits" stuck around quite a bit after the standard language started taking root. One part that made it lose its popularity is the fact that linguists started calling the now somewhat distinct dialects of northern Germany 'Niederdeutsch', which confused the issue. Another was of course the fact that the Netherlands and Germany had grown apart because of their linguistic split. Eastern provinces of the Netherlands had this happen later than Holland, which is why Limburg considered itself Duits much longer.
@@Diederikk Interesting, thanks
They did a lot to de-germanise Alsace-Lorraine as well, after two invasions the region wants to show it is not German and germanic languages lost a lot of weight with the French state not doing anything to cause that.
Very intersting explanations, @henrydetrez6858 and @ItsDorp. My ancestors were hunsrükers, and still today we speak this dialect among my family. Here in Ivoti, south Brazil, the Hochdeutsch are teached along side english in the primary schools, despite the fact we all speak portuguese as a native language. It seems to me the hunsrückish dialect are very similar to dutch or flemish language. Thank you too, @HistoryHustle 🇧🇷
They would never have started speaking high german at that point. Except if somehow they’d been integrated into Germany for a century
Brilliant explanation of National Socialism.
But I remember your lecture on bullying of young Dutch youth at Hitler Youth sports days.
Hitler never wanted complete autonomy for any occupied territory, even in the West in my opinion. Even incarnation of local Nazis in Denmark as well. I would not call Buchenwald being friendly.
That said, as in any extremist organisation there will always be infighting and factions.
Hitler's logic would have been that German National Socialists know what is best for the Dutch.
A very intelligent thought provoking video. 🙏🇦🇺
Could you talk in another video about Hitler's plans to annex Belgium with Flanders and Wallonia as well as portions of eastern France in order to recreate the western borders of the Holy Roman Empire and thus annex a large amount of territory of strategic and economic importance such as ports of the Channel and the mines of eastern France?
Perhaps something for the future, interesting topic!
Dutch diversity goes back a very long way, working together also. The Waterschappen where we fought our common enemy, water, go back to the Middle Ages and are an early form of democracy.
You are confusing intelligence and wisdom: wisdom usually coincides with intelligence, but the main difference is that wisdom incorporates experience and the knowledge on how to weigh arguments according to that experience.
I understand. What I wanted to say is that many people would find intelligence and nazism incompatible. I'm more saying what many people would think.
@@HistoryHustle - Many very evil, selfish, destructive people were very intelligent, psychopaths, cunning, etc. What they lacked was empathy, morality, honour, character, wisdom, smarts, spirituality, aesthetic sensibilities, humanity, etc. Intelligence is the ability to gather and maintain and organise information towards an end - be that end good or evil. A very good chess player or computer programmer or war general or bureaucrat or politician can be good or evil. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Destroying Rotterdam obviously wasn't something the Germans learned from Dale Carnegie's book How to Win Friends and Influence People.
For sure!
The Rotterdam bombing was called off but it was too late as the crews were already in their battle stations so they didn't get the message in time
My grandfather has seen the bombardment of Rotterdam in 1940 by the nazi's and his twinbrother has been shot dead by the nazi's while he was a young boy spreading newspapers for the resistance. My grandfather had so many stories to tell but he sadly passed away in 1996 at 67 years old.
@Reda amrat yes you are
Sadly, no mention of the February strike. The only strike organized in occupied Europe, organized by the then illegal Communist Party of The Netherlands. This strike was decisive because it showed the nazi occupier that the Netherlands could not be integrated into the German state. What is also frequently glossed over is how an overwhelming number of Dutch citizens fought for the Germans both on the eastern and western front. The battle of Arnhem, for example, saw many Dutch volunteers "protecting their nation" against allied liberators. This is all frequently swept under the carpet as stories of the Dutch resistance are pushed to the forefront, often without mentioning once again, that the resistance wouldn't be what it was without the Communist Party and it's sympathizers.
Not relevant to the topic of this video.
I did cover it here:
ruclips.net/video/Ocon45h9Joo/видео.html
@@HistoryHustle I definitely think the February strike is relevant, if you're covering all the plans that Germany had for the Netherlands, why not explain why it didn't work?
@@HistoryHustle I'm missing a lot of nuance, because you do cover this in your video. You mentioned close to the start how the Dutch saw the German occupying soldiers in a positive manner. Later you describe how Dutch people were not attracted to either far right or far left ideologies, and you repeat this point several times. Instead of this I would have loved to see some rare nuance, that covers the topics of Dutch volunteers for the Reich, and communist resistance fighters.
I saw it as not relevant because it was about the German plans for the Netherlands. The February Strike was against the Jews being deported, something I did cover in another video.
This is an overview video. Hope to cover more nuances in the future.
@@HistoryHustle I will stay tuned for this upcoming content. Highly important as some crucial lessons of the war are already forgotten or were never highlighted in the first place.
Keep up the good work, keep fighting the good fight!
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@@HistoryHustle no worries buddy
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Seys Inquart.... Zes en een Kwart(Ses an un quart, if i had to translate it to english pronouncation). Im dutch and I never thought about the man this way, while its pretty obvious in hindsight
Hope to cover more on him in the future.
Did you say the 80 years wars in i 16th century?
Did I say? It did start in the 16th century and ended in the 17th.
I feel worst for the jews in the Netherlands... the Netherlands had spent centuries carefully respecting cultures to maximize trade... Their jewish population was so integrated and Germany went and wrecked that in just a few years.
Hello. Stefan once asked if anyone knew why the most Jews sent off to camps came from Holland. Perhaps you might shed some light on the matter?
@@rolandoscar1696 Jews elsewhere in Europe weren’t as integrated over many generations… like in Belgium where many were recent migrants from Eastern Europe. Those in Belgium had more recent experience with pogroms so when the Nazis moved in there, those families got out. The Dutch Jews had been there since Portugal kicked them out centuries earlier, so they hadn’t known anti Jewish violence for many generations.
@@CrocodileWhispers Dutch republics and Mariano's and other protestants and liberals were fighting together against the Habsburgs Spain ..The Netherlands was way to go if Spanish Inquisition or Inquisitors in Portugal discover that certain family is pretending to be a Catholic but they secretly kept they Jewishness instead of fully converting some decades or century ago ...They branded them " Marano families" ( pigs families) and they were subjected to torchure and depravation and defranchise...So yes,very early on they were accepted into Dutch merchant community and they were seen as Dutch and not like in some other places in Europe where they had to serve 25 years in military just to prove their loyalty to the Imperial Crown just to come home and to find their family members being killed in some pogrom ..Thank you Stefan,it's always a pleasure to learn something new
@@CrocodileWhispers Good point. Cheers
@@rolandoscar1696 Percentagewise yes. The integration of jews was why the Germans send the fanatic SS instead of the Wehrmacht. But the Dutch weren't prepared as they expected to remain neutral, and the excellent civic records and ID's made finding jews easy. It took the resistance very long before effectively attacking those, in some places only. The jews themselves were also passive because of a false sense of security, collaborating even in hope of favours and postponement.
Most lived in the big cities, and Anne Frank's hiding place was a rarity, so they had to be moved to the country side to go in hiding there. No mountains or huge forests either.
It's not for lack of effort, the Dutch have by far the most hero's per capita when it comes to saving jews too, according to Yad Vashem.
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Don't know... Didn't hear it from him (the source)
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Its amazing how the german occupation of many countries make switch sides to many local fascist of those countries . If they just respect , at list some , soverignity of freedoms of those countries , they could reclut a lot more soldiers .
The Economic Consequences of the Peace (1920) Page 211
John Maynard Keynes
This chapter must be one of pessimism. The Treaty includes no provisions for the economic rehabilitation of Europe, - nothing to make the defeated Central Empires into good neighbors, nothing to stabilize the new States of Europe, nothing to reclaim Russia; nor does it promote in any way a compact of economic solidarity amongst the Allies themselves; no arrangement was reached at Paris for restoring the disordered finances of France and Italy, or to adjust the systems of the Old World and the New.
Didn’t they considered them equals
This covered a very interesting aspect of the German occupation and the lack of flexibility by the Nazi leadership in administering their new territories (not sure if the Austrians who largely ran Netherlands were better or worse in this regard). This attitude reached its peak in eastern Europe where there was great potential to swing the local population against Stalin & communism. Instead the Nazis applied brutal oppression and very inconsistent efforts to recruit local forces from the different slavic peoples.
Very well that Nazis did
not succeed in doing that:
they were too obtuse to realize
the behavior/mind of the Eastern populations!
The Germans had their most success recruiting foreign troops in Eastern Europe, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Estonia and Latvia had over 100,000 volunteers between them, mainly to the SS. Lithuania had tens of thousands of volunteers in the form of police and flak units mostly (they refused to fight anywhere outside of Lithuania). Over a million Russians/Belarusians/Ukrainians "volunteered." It's hard to know how many of those were actual volunteers like White Russians, Banderites and Cossacks, and how many were POW's who simply didn't want to die in the terrible conditions of the camps, but, still, the number is large either way. If you are specifically talking about the Balkans, there were zero plans to recruit from there until after Stalingrad, when the Germans took just about any man willing to don a uniform for at least police units.
Op school vertelden ze ons dat seyss-inquart zijn bijnaam te danken had aan het feit dat hij mank was..
Klopt ja!
I was always told that for the Germans the Netherlands had to become a purely agricultural province, capable of providing a large part of the Third Reich with cheap foodstuffs instead of living space.
You forgot the part that Hitler wanted friesland, groningen, ost Friesland and nord friesland combined into a state inside the germanic empire because the culture, history and race of the people were similar.
Haven't read this anywhere.
@@HistoryHustle The position in the future empire of the Frisians, another Germanic people, was discussed on 5 April 1942 in one of Hitler's many wartime dinner-conversations.[24] Himmler commented that there was ostensibly no real sense of community between the different indigenous ethnic groups in the Netherlands. He then stated that the Dutch Frisians in particular seemed to hold no affection for being part of a nation-state based on the Dutch national identity, and felt a much greater sense of kinship with their German Frisian brethren across the Ems River in East Frisia, an observation Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel agreed with based on his own experiences.[24] Hitler determined that the best course of action in that case would be to unite the two Frisian regions on both sides of the border into a single province, and would at a later point in time further discuss the topic with Arthur Seyss-Inquart, the governor of the German regime in the Netherlands.[24] By late May of that year these discussions were apparently concluded, as on the 29th he pledged that he would not allow the West-Frisians to remain part of Holland, and that since they were "part of the exact same race as the people of East Frisia" had to be joined into one province.[60
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germanic_Reich
Dat we niks met de Nederlanders is nog steeds zo 😂
@@BinneReitsma - Makes sense.
Het is echt raar om een Nederlander zonder accent perfect Engels te horen praten. Doorgaans klinken ze hilarisch. Kudos
Dank!
Interesting, I did wonder what the German long term plans for Holland were, since they regarded the Dutch as fellow Aryans and turning Holland into a part of the Greater Reich would seem to be a logical part of their ideology, if not that of the Dutch.
Already before the Second World War we had in Holland a national-socialist party which was for reunification with Germany. There slogan: nederduits weder duits, Lower German, German again. Our Dutch language originated indeed from Lower German. In the Middle Ages there did not exist a Dutch nation. We were Germans. Even still in the 19th century we called our grammar: nederduitse spraakkunst, Lower German Grammar.
@@j.a.b.nijenhuis8124 De leus 'Nederduits weder duits' was niet afkomstig van de N.S.B., maar van de N.S.N.A.P. van ridder van Rappart. Tijdens de bezetting ging deze op in de N.S.B. Diets, duits komen van het gotisch thiuda, volk. Diets in het frans is thiois, voor duits zegt men naast allemand, tudesque.