I think the big point here is she took someone elses pattern and is mass producing the final product and didn't 👏🏻 ask 👏🏻 permission 👏🏻. Clearly I'm not the only one mind blown by this. I plan on releasing my very first pattern next month and it looks like I'll be adding this disclaimer to it as well. Thank you for bringing this topic and conversation up! Seems like it genuinley needs to be addressed. Also, you're so adorable, and the snake turned out so cute!
Just adding disclaimer will not protect you at all if you want to take such infringements to court. You have to have your copyright registered to be even eligible to sue. You want to make profit off your work, then do it the right way. Hire legal advice (obv you don’t have to take my word for it), protect yourself, invest in yourself.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. It’s ironic that she won’t share the manufacturer because it’s copying but piggybacking off the hard work of a designer isn’t? As a crocheter and pattern designer this is just wrong! Thanks for shedding some light on this topic and starting such an important conversation - you’re amazing! 🩷
Yeah it was dirty, when I watched her video I assumed it was her pattern as she called it her duck. I subscribed and went to look for the pattern, when I saw it was not hers I immediately unsubscribed. The fact she protects her own efforts finding a manufacturer, yet has zero guilt on what she did blows my mind.
ashley updated her post. she said she always gives credit to the designer which is a lie havent seen her mention the orginal designer once. she continues to say she reached out to the creator to try to make things right. i hope the creator doesnt work with her because she was told before about this and completly ignored it til this video was made and brought attention to it. good for you! she was so wrong to do this
I primarily crochet flowers, and I make it a point to not sell patterns to my designs anymore in order to avoid this type of scenario. Even without a pattern, I've had lots of copycats and even found my designs on Temu. It's extremely discouraging when you're trying to stand out in a space where copying seems to be almost 'acceptable' somehow. Loved the video!!
This is a great perspective and something I should have noted in the video, anytime anything is shared online it runs the risk of being copied and the overseas companies can steal designs regardless of if we used their facilities or not. Another huge topic is that, when something is mass produced we have no way of knowing how ethical their labor laws were, so not only do those cheap knock offs hurt our sales but they could possibly be produced in inhumane working conditions. It was one of your videos that opened my eyes to the cheap Temu flowers being sold at a market I went to and I greatly appreciate the time you took to educate your audience on the matter. I’m sure as an artist familiar with seeing these mass produced items, those copied flowers break your heart by not only wrongfully stealing your designs and undercutting your prices but also as a reminder that crocheted items can only be produced by human hands and there is no way of knowing if the hands making those flowers were treated fairly or not.
@CatCakeCrochet Temu is known to use slave labour in their factories so any crocheted item from Temu is by nature unethical. I have seen crochet amigurumi popping up in store displays everywhere, at first I was excited because I thought it was supporting indie creators but one lady told me she bought a massive bag of them from Temu for $5AUD each. It made me so sad. It is undercutting the market and now people are going to think amigurumi aren't worth any more than five bucks when they go to a market stall. Great video btw. Would love to hear more on these topics.
I saw the video when she released it and I automatically thought she must be the designer, cause only the designer would mass-produce....so I thought. I totally agree with what you are saying. Thank you for making this video and bringing awareness to this issue.
I thought the same thing when I first saw the video. I create my own patterns and would be very upset if someone did this to me. It takes a lot of work to create the patterns.
Yer it is definitely shady that she did not disclose that she was not the creator of the pattern until heaps of people asked for it and then it was a pinned comment
Thank you so much for putting so much thought and detail into this discussion. So many online want a hard line between right and wrong, but you're really exploring the nuance and I appreciate that a lot.
Thank you for protecting the creators! lately Tina from made with April also noticed that TEMU is selling crochet dragonfly based on her free pattern. It's so sad when stuff like this happens
Glad I wasn’t the only one who felt this was wrong. As a crocheter, I don’t like the mass producers overseas because they tend to be unethical work environments. As a pattern designer, patterns take a lot of time and effort to make, and people deserve the recognition. As a consumer, I’m much more likely to buy a crochet plushie than a manufactured one.
A handcrafter cannot take significant business from a mogul like Disney, Sony, etc but they CAN take significant, and even tank, another small business by doing shady things like this
My problem is that those big corporations made their billions by stealing from small creators and then they turn around and tell small creators they can't steal from them.
Thank you for defending the creator! Crochet items are special as they are handmade and take time, effort and hard work. For someone to steal a creators work and manufacture it takes away from what we do! So thank you for being amazing!!❤
It's complicated from legal point of view. The designer does not have a patent for the design itself. She has a copyright for the written pattern and her own pictures only. If someone uses her design to make a toy and then takes a picture and manufactures the toy, she is not breaking any law. However, it's highly unethical. To get an image patented costs a lot. Big companies like Disney have it. That's why it's illegal to replicate their designs. It's a bitter truth
Unfortunately, you are right a patent is a must have when you are a designer and I just learned this myself. I honestly wish this topic was discussed more so that designers knew what to do in situations like these and or how to prevent them. You’re definitely right though about it being a bitter truth!
Um no, not at all. You mean copyright. Patents don’t apply to crochet patterns. Guys seriously, hire legal advice, don’t just read off the internet. Even a paralegal can help you with this in a brief consultation. The short version is that patents only protect new inventions or processes. For a crochet pattern, you’d need a unique method or technique that hasn’t been done before. It’s hard to get and lasts only 20 years. Copyright applies to original works of *authorship* (designs and art). Your crochet pattern, as a written or visual design, can be protected by copyright if registered and lasts for the creator’s lifetime plus 70 years after their death. ✌🏻 Edit: fixed some typos
@@Pixxelina If you read again, you can see i am talking about copyright for a pattern and a patent for a toy. First gets copyrighted as a literature (written text, photos), a toy can be patented as an art or a design. That's why you can't reproduce Mickey Mouse, no matter if you knit it, crochet it, paint it or even create your own pattern. If you sell it, you are breaking the law. Unfortunately, such patents are very expensive and probably not worth of trouble, unless the designer knows that the design of her toy will become widely recognizable and would be worth the investment.
Crochet by El should still contact a lawyer and find out what legal rights she has to her pattern. She at least needs to look into it. Now there will be people who don't crochet stealing patterns to sell to company's for mass production.
Tbf the manufactured duck is still handmade, just by someone being entirely underpaid for their labor in a country far enough away that she doesn’t have to think about them. It’s such a privilege to say “I can’t keep making these it’s too hard on my body so I’m going to outsource to someone who’s physicality doesn’t matter to me.”
Bringing to light some very controversial subjects is important as the crochet community needs to stick together and be reminded that the art of crochet isn’t something to harm, take away from. Not only does manufacturing a plush take away from the crochet market makers but taking someone else’s design is a no no
You brought attention to this in such an important way. Thank you for looking out for the community and handling this with grace. I'm really frustrated for the designer who had their pattern stolen. It's bad for the entire community!
This is something that varies between different countries. In a large crochet business owner community I belong to Americans seem to take it for granted that you can sell items made from other people's designs. But in most European countries it is taken as the norm that you can't, you can only sell if the designer specifically mentions that you can and almost all write that you are not allowed to sell at all. You are expected to only sell your own designs or things that are so common that it is not possible to know who created it first.
Whether a big company or a small company made something, the copy rights belong to whom it created it. If we bend rules based on what we believe to be fair it creates a mess. If someone makes a character and sells it to Disney, that character belongs to Disney and they hold the rights.
You are spot on. And this is not new, but people need constant reminding. I started crocheting around 1966, as crochet became popular back in the late 60's. I had patterns from great aunts from the early 20th century that were even being copyright infringed back then. Unfortunately it is more costly to try and protect your design than it is worth. I greatly commend you for bringing out the moral wrong of this. It is the only thing that would keep designs safe, but as you know there will always be thieves. Years ago I considered writing and sharing my designs but was discouraged by my husband for this very reason. He knew it would be more headache than it was worth. We have a mechanical design company and both had careers as mechanical designers. We dealt enough with design integrity in that field to know the legal protection is lax. And it is practically non-existant in fiber arts. So, the best protection for a designer is for the public to remain morally accountable and call this out. I am sorry to hear this is happening and my heart really goes out to designers whose work is not being acknowledged. People don't even realize how much it would mean to a designer just to have that little label, "Design by...."
You've explained this whole situation so well! All those free patterns are the reason why I started and became so much better at crochet and I'm honestly so thankful for that. This was definitely a very dirty move from her, but I want to see the good in people and like to think that she didn't do it with ill intend (even though it's still wrong in every single way possible). Hope she just learns from it.
I'm a designer and I would definitely not be okay with this. Makers can happily crochet my designs and sell them at markets, but manufacturing, that's a different story. Hope this isn't becoming a trend... 😬
The ppl disagreeing with you must have never designed or attempted to design a crochet pattern. All this video is asking for is the bare minimum and I think you did it perfectly. It needed to be said and it got the point across. You can’t control how others go about it once you’ve delivered the information.
100% thought that was her own design . As someone who crochets I would be so upset if someone stole my pattern. I have made a couple sweaters using patterns I’ve made up and thought of posting them because I really love them but I would be gutted if this happened .
I saw the first video where she sold out and decided to take preorders….then decided on mass production. At the time I assumed it was her pattern so what I was offended by was the fact she was running a “small crochet” business but decided to mass produce her big draw. Which kinda obliterates the whole handmade crochet vibe she started with. I can go to WalMart if I want a cute cheap duck…I don’t need to go the small business route for that 🙄 Why would anybody pay handmade prices for mass produced? The fact she took somebody else’s idea and ran with it may not be illegal but it is shady as hell.
Thank you so much for speaking out on this when no one else seemed to think the same way you did. I think most ppl didnt have a clue it wasnt her original pattern. Its great to keep each other accountable
I am new to this type of crochet, yet I admire the talent the designers share. I’ve recently been following many different designers and each one is amazing. I would have never thought to mass produce a design I did not create. As a home crocheter am I going to have to pay more for patterns because designers have to copyright or register their designs. Seriously could stifle the creative process and possibilities. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. You would have thought the notice they put on their patterns would have prevented this happening.
The passion you have for this wrong is so heartfelt! I love that you are bringing light to this. I have seen her video where she talks about mass producing the duck and honestly had no idea it was in fact not hers. This is so frustrating as I do not know how to create patterns, so I use designs by my favorite artis and it's not cheap to pay for these patterns but I do not mind because I can see the hard work they put into it. So the fact that Eli posted this pattern for free is amazing and so kind! She should not have someone take your pattern and mass produce like this is sick to be honest! Thank you for standing up for Eli! You are amazing!!
Girl shouldn’t be mass producing an idea that isn’t hers. Glad you’re bringing this to light. I’ve ever heard of this in the crochet community. Also, this is the first of your vids I’ve come across and had to sub :) love to connect to other small crochet channels 😊
After having some time to think about it, obviously we've been in need of copyright reform for many years now and I think we all kind of mentally presume a "cottage exception" to the copyright rule. We justify the reproduction of licensed media by small time makers because individual makers can only reproduce a limited quantity for a limited time because physics. If a corporation takes a maker to court they have to prove that the maker caused them to lose profits. Which if you're selling handmade items at a craft fair, good luck proving loss of profit. Makers who then switch over to mass production lose the protection of the "cottage exception". Fan artists who are selling prints are arguably towing the line between mass production and cottage exception. If you make a video using licensed media or copyrighted material, if that video goes viral that also probably falls outside of the "cottage exception" because it's basically mass promotion. Smaller audiences would fall under the exception the same way copyright warnings on VHS's used to specify for viewing of audiences less than 20 people
I watched that video sometime in the last week and just assumed it was her own pattern. Not until your video did I know it was a free pattern from someone else. I don't like the ethics of this, but I am also on the fence about 'loved characters'. I'm currently working on a pattern for a series of video game characters and since my crochet patterns will be a variant of the characters that don't exist at this point, I feel confident that it is ok. I was intending to sell the pattern, but now I really need to think about the ethics of this and evaluate what I feel comfortable with doing. I would not feel comfortable or ethical with mass-producing anything that was not my own creation and design...I know that much!
I don’t plan on sharing on the internet any pattern, picture or video of my creations. I'm just doing this for my own entertainment. Characters, objects, clothes, bags. As much as I admire you guys for inspiring us, I've seen and heard of more than enough cases, and recently a talented designer gave up on crochet because her designs got stolen repeatedly (she sells clothes). Even when you wear your stuff outside, anyone working for the mass production industry could see it and get it copied. That's also where they get their "inspiration" from, watching what everyday people just living life wear. But it's still less likely to happen than on the internet 🤕
I’m just a beginner crocheter so i don’t have a really solid point of view (apart from the kneejerk yucky feeling) on the topic. Mostly wanted to say, omg i love your hair and eyeliner!
What this crocheter has done is completely wrong. Even if she credits the original designer, it is not her idea to sell. She should come up with her own idea rather than stealing someone else's. As for character plushies, I don't have a problem with creating something for your own personal use, and I believe that it isn't an issue for the companies. Selling them at markets is another issue. Regardless of how you feel about big corporations, you are still stealing someone else's idea and profiting from it. I will never sell character plushies, even by special request. I do look for copyright free characters, but there are not that many. Winnie the Pooh characters are no longer under copyright so you can use them. However, you cannot make them as duplicates of the Disney characters because those are protected. I had a similar issue with Anne of Green Gables. Although the books are no longer under copyright, the rights to the characters are owned by the family and cannot be replicated and distributed. I am shocked at how many patterns you can buy on Etsy and in other places that are copyright protected. Also, the number of crocheters who sell them at markets astound me. You are putting your business in jeopardy by doing things like this. Getting sued by a large corporation can't be fun. Also, crocheters cannot claim ignorance of the law when they knowingly rename their plushies/patterns so that they cannot be found out by the companies. See: Baby Alien a.k.a. Baby Yoda as an example. Personally, I won't take the risk. As for the other crochet artist, mass producing someone's else's pattern is reprehensible and she should be called out for this. Just my thoughts on the issue. Thanks for opening the dialogue.
Same. I never make trademarked designs, even if someone asks me to do a custom order. Yet other crocheters make bank selling things they didn’t design or get permission to sell. I could make a heck of a lot of money if I broke the law, and it’s extremely annoying that others choose to do so with no repercussions.
From what I've been told by a lawyer when I asked about copyright laws in the US that deal with knitted/crocheted patterns. They said that if given permission on the pattern you must obey what is written. They said you can't sell the pattern itself or take the finished item and make it with something else like from knitted to plushie or to doll etc. they must have a written and notarized statement from the original creator giving the person permission to take their finished pattern design and recreate it in another medium again gave example a plushie or doll. So yah they're breaking the law stealing the op's design and remaking it as a 1 to 1 replica plushie
Thank you so much, Robin!! Your tutorials are SO well presented, easily explained & easy to follow along with. I really appreciate you not having background music or excess chatter while doing your videos. (There's a time & place for all that, but it distracts me sometimes.) I've been crocheting off & on for over twenty years but really got back into within the past 2-ish years. I've given myself a summertime challenge that I call "New Stitch Saturday" and have followed a number of your tutorials to learn some new-to-me stitches. (This one is TODAY'S new stitch to learn!) Thank you so much & I'm excited to see what other tutorials I will be learning from you!! 🥰🥳
There is so much of this in the crochet world. One of my biggest personal beefs is pattern sellers who heavily increase their regular price so they can put on what I call forever sales, where you discount for 40% or more and then you are selling the pattern for the ACTUAL price you wanted to sell at. Customers think they’re getting a sale when in reality they aren’t. And a lot of the time they are paying more for a pattern where other similar ones are less but at regular price. I fell for this as a consumer years ago and so as a designer I refuse to do it, even if it means I don’t get ahead.
You have such a great point! I love watching you before and even more now. Although I don’t think we should be attacking anyone. This issue just needed to be addressed, i would love for you to go live not only so we can meet you there but be able to interact with on a more personal level, we love a good live session 😊
Great video! I’m not sure it’s ethical to copy someone’s work without consent and I feel for anyone who has had this happen to them. Personally I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done anything like that but I appreciate everyone’s values are different x
Unethical behaviour must always be reported. It's like you say, if nobody points it out, it can become a trend, and that's not good for a community as a whole. Thank you for this video!
Thank you for bringing such an articulate take on this issue. It's happening so much where people want to create but they don't have the knowhow to design from scratch. Very few people are taught the ethics of copying a design. They haven't reached the point where they've ideated something, done the laborious work to make it a tangible product, and had the experience of someone else copying the hard work they just put into it. Most people only get here by experience, and it's a pretty painful one from my own experience (in art not crochet albeit). The point to drive home is definitely "if the roles were reversed" take. However, it just won't be possible with the current timeline because creators are much more interested in sharing their methods and growing the community than keeping the actual IPs they create private. Those advices from professionals to the general community are often reported to be "toxic gatekeeping". I've been vending for more than a decade, and it's been common knowledge that you stay away from other's designs. We can share manufactures and raw materials, but those who transgress by copying other people's ideas are forever on a shit list lol.
woooow ! I was one of those people who actually commented on her video! :( I did think it was really strange that she would choose to mass produce it as a plushie because she couldn't keep up with the demands.. like isn't the whole point of selling crochet plushies is to actually CROCHET plushies!? That's half the fun of running the business is making the items yourself! I had no idea before watching your video that it wasn't her pattern! I too believe that she should've been wayyy more upfront about it not being her pattern. Thank you for taking the time to inform people about this. I hope that everyone watching will go and show Crocheted by EL some love on insta! She def deserves it! I know I will be!
I watched her video a while back and thought it was her pattern too but wasn’t able to find it anywhere on her page either until I saw another creator credit the designer after that I stopped supporting her channel because I thought it was morally and ethically wrong to mass produce it, it completely takes away the charm and cuteness of it being a handmade plushie. I’m glad you posted this video and I thank you for the courage you have to talk about these types of subjects
I am iffy about making and selling big name characters. On one hand if the IP holders didn’t make an item in that style, I think fan art is somewhat ok. I personally wouldn’t sell now but I have in the past. As far as the mass produced plush from someone else’s pattern, that is 100% wrong. She says giving the info about manufacturing is like copying homework, well she stole the answer sheet from the teacher. Imagine the time it took for the original creator to imagine, design, make, and write out the pattern. It took them most likely years of crocheting to have enough experience to do that and they generously gave it out for free. They intended it to be made by people, not a Chinese manufacturer. Honestly makes me kind of mad at the audacity the person has to think that is any way ok.
I think it's ok to sell big-name characters. I even think it's ok to sell fan made stuff of small name characters as long as it's hand-made and not mass produced.
Totally agree with you! When people start having hand made items mass produced from other countries this becomes the downfall of the craft itself. The items are able to be offered much less expensive and therefore it eventually kills the business of all us small business operators. I tole painted for years and eventually it became mass produced from China and it killed that craft in a lot of ways. Some people will still put money out for things that are actually hand painted but once it became mass produced they were able to silk screen a alot of the designs and sell them for pennies on the dollar. I have no respect for anyone who does this! They are underselling the rest of us.
I read what she wrote in the comments and she also lied and said she has always credited the designer in the description, when that’s not true because there’s screenshots shown in this video
@@Umahost62748 oh okay, so she lied about crediting the creator of the pattern when she actually hasn't. As long as moving forward, she recognizes her mistakes and fixes them, it's all good. Though if she continues lying, not good and very messed up.
Some people will never have morals. Anytime you put something on the internet you will always run the risk of this happening. I personally think this is totally wrong since I have good morals.
I completely agree that this is wrong. However, to play devil's advocate, perhaps she thought it was okay because she created additional stuff for the duck (her own clothing or modifications). It might be similar to a doll repaint or modification where a person is using a premade base, then adding their own creativity to it to make it their own and selling that finished piece.
Really the only beef I have is manufactured things being sold at hand crafted shows. To add insult to injury some of them do very well at those shows. It makes me wonder why I work so hard instead of just buying things on Amazon and sell them at a 500% markup.
OMG! that snake is so cute!! What you are talking about is exactly why I have been afraid to make and sale patterns. I do think that it was so wrong to make the crochet plushie pattern that someone else made into a plushie. They could of taken one of their own patterns and made it into a plushie. And I also think they didn't link the artists for the pattern in hopes that it would not get back to them. The crochet world is hard enough as it is but to have another crochet artist do that to another is sad to me. I have crocheted for so long and could make most anything without a pattern but I do purchase the patterns when I see one I like because I feel that it is only right to do so. Also I am always scared to make a pattern to sale in case I do something that someone else may have done before as you can't always know every pattern that is made out there.
Thank you so much for bringing this to light. My personal opinion is it’s not ok to take anyone’s property without permission. Period. I admire your stance. 😊😊😊
Aloha from Hawaii 🌴 I loved the snake. I'm glad you made me aware of the issue. I would never do such a thing. I always appreciate your kindness and do the right thing attitude. ALOHA!!
Oh damn. I had seen the tiktok about the market and the yt vid also where she had said she was looking into manufacturing it but had no idea it wasnt her design bc, as you said, she never mentioned who the designer was. This is so so so bad. Literally did the equivalent of shein, wish, temu, etc, stealing a popular crochet or knitted design and selling it for cheap to the masses. If everyone knew it wasnt her design, all those comments would flip from positive to neg so freakin fast
I agree completely. The crocheter who is producing the duck (for example) should have gotten permission to manufacture it. And the designer should get royalties on each sale. That's only fair.
Im glad I came across this video. I can never support someone like that. It’s okay to take inspiration from other artists, but that’s just straight up stealing. I feel so bad for the original creator of the pattern, all their hard work (which they were kind enough to give for free) only for someone to try to profit off of their art. You can’t steal art from artists and try to pass it off as your own creation.
Im a fan of a lot of shows but never in my life have i bought merch. Im a huge fan of taylor swift too but i never had posters or any kind of merch from her either. Why? because i live in india and all the prices are for rich countries. $20 is like 1700 rupees. We dont pay that much for a Tshirt !!! At max we pay 700 but even 700 is a lot. I usually buy clothing for 500 INR or less. Even phones are expensive for us because my monthly salary is like $300 a month and i earn more than minimum wage here.
I watched this video and thought it was a great idea. There are many crochet patterns based on plushies or characters so to me it’s just the same basic idea. I had no idea it was someone else’s pattern. It definitely isn’t the right thing to do- morally if not legally. Thank you for bringing this to light.
I'm a crochet amigurumi designer and this is the type of stuff that really makes me wonder if I should continue 🤔. I think it's almost impossible to police how people use your designs. I'm sure the manufacturer has already taken this duck design for their own.
When I saw the title of this video, I thought it was gonna be about someone making a lot of the same project to sell from a free pattern(like 100+ of them or so) but oh jeez it's way worse 😳 on a positive note, I love how the snake turned out!! He has the same name as my nephew hehe 🤭
Love your snake first of all so adorable!!!!! I think you bringing this to the attention of the maker and to the creator along with then putting it out there is so big and brave of you where clearly other people have looked the other way. What bothers me is that she did not sell her item to this company for mass production. She sold the idea/design which was not hers to sell. The reason why I think this is wrong is because when we create a plushie and sell that plushie at a market we sell the work and skill we put into creating the physical item. I am between a beginner and intermediate crochet creator and no 2 items come out the same way there are just built in things by happenstance which makes it mine. I would hate for pattern creators to stop what they have been doing because of these circumstances and people to stop buying items like this at markets but they can go to the local whatever store and get a massed produced item looking the same way. Love you CCC and thank you for the crochet and talk always super fun to watch your mind work!!!!! 😂
Thank you so much for calling it out!!!! It should be brought up!!! I watched this video on the background while crocheting and had same thoughts, tho unfortunately didn’t go into the details! It’s definitely wrong to mass produce without asking the original artist!!! * she put the update that won’t sell those manufactured ducks, so hopefully she’ll keep her word!
I do agree that what she is doing is unethical. Today, I was in Michael's and happened to look at the Beanie Babies ddisplay. Lot os the little animals looked familiar and it came to me that some of our crocheters have copied those animals, right down to the oversized eyes. They were someone's designs originally and now crocheters are copying them.
Wow, this is very interesting! I don’t know if I’ve seen an instance where another plushie was copied into a crochet version but I will keep this is mind the next time my toddler wants to look at the beanie babies. Thank you for commenting
Reigning Charmz just did a video using this exact duck as the example for how to price and nowhere in the video or the description did she credit the designer
Maybe she forgot? 🤷🏻♀️ did you leave a comment in her video reminding her to give credit? It sounds like the point of the video was to show how to price items, not necessarily to share patterns. Which is why it may have been overlooked.
Is it possible that that girl actually had negative comments but she deleted them?? I would be very surprised that you were the only one that did that. But it’s great that you have shown light on this issue.
Quinn I admired you before this video and even more after it!!! You put your point across so eloquently and yes, you called out the person who is making the plushy, but not in a mean way at all!! You used it as an example of what if happening in, not only the crochet community, but in the art community and several others I'm sure. Well done Quinn and thank you!!
It’s so different when you are making something for personal use only. It’s almost like seeing artwork you like on Pinterest and recreating it to hang in your bedroom. I’ve definitely done that but would never claim it was my art and I definitely wouldn’t sell it.
Such an interesting discussion. Thank you for being brave enough to bring up this issue for the community to share their opinions. I, personally, would never make a licensed character to sell, however for personal use/ to gift, I feel okay with, as I am not gaining anything from it other than joy. I do believe it's absolutely ethically wrong to take another person's design and use it in a way that was 1. not intended by said designer, or 2. used without permission ESPECIALLY if that design is then being mass-produced for your own monetary gain and recognition in the community. It's just not ok. I'm also with you on crediting designers for their work; whether it was a free release or not, someone has put time, effort and talent into creating a pattern for others to use (fairly). It's really disappointing to think a lot of viewers/ customers would not realise that the plushie wasn't of her own original design (as I would have) because of the omission of credit AND the way her content is presented {whether it was intended or not). P.s. I do love the colours you chose for the 2 headed snake ombre, it's beautiful
This is a really well put together video. This was informative, fair, and well researched. Very interesting talking points. Thank you. YT put this and another video on my feed on this topic. I watched yours first and couldn't finish the other. It was ick. I know you saw it because you commented and I'm sorry that other video insinuated you were a bully and a stalker. It's like the other content creator didn't even watch this video. Even Ashley feels this video is fair. I came close to commenting on that other video, but knowing comments help with analytics, I came here to help yours instead. Also, I love the snek.
Crochet by El should be getting the benefit from the manufacturer buying this pattern to make it a stuffed animal to mass produce. The person taking credit for the pattern is not doing the correct thing morally. She should get a finders fee but not the full benefit of it. I am disappointed in this crafter using someone else's work. This, in my opinion, is dishonest.
Kudos to you my friend. I am so glad you brought this to our attention. I wouldn't have known. It's sad, but what comes around goes around. You are awesome and love watching your videos.
Thank you for making this video. I've been crocheting items that I hope to sell, and while there are slight mods from the original pattern, I still need to give credit to the original pattern creator.
thank you for bringing up this subject. What she did is wrong. I did watch her video when it first came out, as it came up on my feed, but I thought it was weird. Why would anyone want a mass produced item of what they originally hand made. I just revisited her video and she has a pinned comment stating that she is halting her production with the company to mass produce them. So Quinn, I think your comment (which by the way does not appear) did the job!
As a designer myself I despise anyone who does this it’s completely dishonest and morally wrong. I also feel like people who do this should be held accountable and continue to be put on blast by those who are actually the original designers. This entire situation is absolutely disgusting and I feel so disappointed for the original designer and I’m really hoping these type of situations stop happening.
Hi, I'm a new watcher. I've come over from Crochet Vision to find out about the hub bub. I honestly don't like the manufactured version of the duck (in your video). I find the crochet version much better. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Omg I'm your fan club president after this. I see so many local artists stealing and claiming others work to make a buck it's just insulting... But that kind of clientele doesn't last forever and will die fast just like the fling that rose them. Slow and steady is the way to go! Trust is the best foundation
Yikes, I’ve seen her videos suggested but have not watched any, but I remembered her because she shares her name with a grade school classmate of mine. I think a lot of cognitive dissonance is happening here where she sees nothing wrong with her actions but protects her work on the manufacturing side. It’s very sad and I feel for El and all the other creators who don’t get the credit they deserve. Thanks for bringing this to light!
I've seen SheIn and Fashion nova steal at least 7 of my friends designs. It's disgusting. That lady definitely knows she's wrong! She's morally bankrupt !!! Shout out to Crochet by El for being an excellent designer.
Wow yeah thank you for making this video. I had come across one of their videos and a short about them manufacturing this duck and I just assumed it was her intellectual property because..how could anyone dare to that to someone else! Just wow.
Ashley has put out a response video here: ruclips.net/video/fR1qLp13NUk/видео.htmlsi=DLNL4gknssteWVzK
Just watched that.
Her reply was really good! Thank you for making a video that was constructive that she could learn from
I think the big point here is she took someone elses pattern and is mass producing the final product and didn't 👏🏻 ask 👏🏻 permission 👏🏻. Clearly I'm not the only one mind blown by this. I plan on releasing my very first pattern next month and it looks like I'll be adding this disclaimer to it as well. Thank you for bringing this topic and conversation up! Seems like it genuinley needs to be addressed.
Also, you're so adorable, and the snake turned out so cute!
Just adding disclaimer will not protect you at all if you want to take such infringements to court. You have to have your copyright registered to be even eligible to sue. You want to make profit off your work, then do it the right way. Hire legal advice (obv you don’t have to take my word for it), protect yourself, invest in yourself.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. It’s ironic that she won’t share the manufacturer because it’s copying but piggybacking off the hard work of a designer isn’t? As a crocheter and pattern designer this is just wrong! Thanks for shedding some light on this topic and starting such an important conversation - you’re amazing! 🩷
Yeah it was dirty, when I watched her video I assumed it was her pattern as she called it her duck. I subscribed and went to look for the pattern, when I saw it was not hers I immediately unsubscribed. The fact she protects her own efforts finding a manufacturer, yet has zero guilt on what she did blows my mind.
ashley updated her post. she said she always gives credit to the designer which is a lie havent seen her mention the orginal designer once. she continues to say she reached out to the creator to try to make things right. i hope the creator doesnt work with her because she was told before about this and completly ignored it til this video was made and brought attention to it. good for you! she was so wrong to do this
This isn't about CREDITING the designer. This is theft
I applaud you for calling her out. If it is not legally wrong it is morally and ethically wrong.
This is legally wrong.
It is is not legally wrong unless the pattern is copywrited.
The pattern is considered copyrighted (or at least the intellectual property) as soon as it is published.
I primarily crochet flowers, and I make it a point to not sell patterns to my designs anymore in order to avoid this type of scenario. Even without a pattern, I've had lots of copycats and even found my designs on Temu. It's extremely discouraging when you're trying to stand out in a space where copying seems to be almost 'acceptable' somehow. Loved the video!!
This is a great perspective and something I should have noted in the video, anytime anything is shared online it runs the risk of being copied and the overseas companies can steal designs regardless of if we used their facilities or not.
Another huge topic is that, when something is mass produced we have no way of knowing how ethical their labor laws were, so not only do those cheap knock offs hurt our sales but they could possibly be produced in inhumane working conditions. It was one of your videos that opened my eyes to the cheap Temu flowers being sold at a market I went to and I greatly appreciate the time you took to educate your audience on the matter.
I’m sure as an artist familiar with seeing these mass produced items, those copied flowers break your heart by not only wrongfully stealing your designs and undercutting your prices but also as a reminder that crocheted items can only be produced by human hands and there is no way of knowing if the hands making those flowers were treated fairly or not.
@CatCakeCrochet Temu is known to use slave labour in their factories so any crocheted item from Temu is by nature unethical. I have seen crochet amigurumi popping up in store displays everywhere, at first I was excited because I thought it was supporting indie creators but one lady told me she bought a massive bag of them from Temu for $5AUD each. It made me so sad. It is undercutting the market and now people are going to think amigurumi aren't worth any more than five bucks when they go to a market stall.
Great video btw. Would love to hear more on these topics.
I saw the video when she released it and I automatically thought she must be the designer, cause only the designer would mass-produce....so I thought. I totally agree with what you are saying. Thank you for making this video and bringing awareness to this issue.
I thought the same thing when I first saw the video. I create my own patterns and would be very upset if someone did this to me. It takes a lot of work to create the patterns.
Yer it is definitely shady that she did not disclose that she was not the creator of the pattern until heaps of people asked for it and then it was a pinned comment
For real! I didn't watch it but it has come up on my RUclips. Now I know not to watch. Very unethical what she is up to.
That's the problem - I suspect most people who commented with support thought that, too.
Thank you so much for putting so much thought and detail into this discussion. So many online want a hard line between right and wrong, but you're really exploring the nuance and I appreciate that a lot.
she's probably deleted the negative comments!
I checked her video after watching this and you are right. She is definitely deleting all the bad comments.
Totally deleting negative comments
I feel like this duck is such a well-known pattern and I’m so surprised she thought this would be okay. Thanks for making this video!
Thank you for protecting the creators! lately Tina from made with April also noticed that TEMU is selling crochet dragonfly based on her free pattern. It's so sad when stuff like this happens
As usual, you are a great speaker Quinn! And, you obviously did your homework and even asked the creator. Great job and agree!
Thank you, I really appreciate that
Glad I wasn’t the only one who felt this was wrong. As a crocheter, I don’t like the mass producers overseas because they tend to be unethical work environments. As a pattern designer, patterns take a lot of time and effort to make, and people deserve the recognition. As a consumer, I’m much more likely to buy a crochet plushie than a manufactured one.
A handcrafter cannot take significant business from a mogul like Disney, Sony, etc but they CAN take significant, and even tank, another small business by doing shady things like this
My problem is that those big corporations made their billions by stealing from small creators and then they turn around and tell small creators they can't steal from them.
Thank you for defending the creator! Crochet items are special as they are handmade and take time, effort and hard work. For someone to steal a creators work and manufacture it takes away from what we do! So thank you for being amazing!!❤
It's complicated from legal point of view. The designer does not have a patent for the design itself. She has a copyright for the written pattern and her own pictures only. If someone uses her design to make a toy and then takes a picture and manufactures the toy, she is not breaking any law. However, it's highly unethical.
To get an image patented costs a lot. Big companies like Disney have it. That's why it's illegal to replicate their designs. It's a bitter truth
Unfortunately, you are right a patent is a must have when you are a designer and I just learned this myself. I honestly wish this topic was discussed more so that designers knew what to do in situations like these and or how to prevent them. You’re definitely right though about it being a bitter truth!
Um no, not at all. You mean copyright. Patents don’t apply to crochet patterns. Guys seriously, hire legal advice, don’t just read off the internet. Even a paralegal can help you with this in a brief consultation. The short version is that patents only protect new inventions or processes. For a crochet pattern, you’d need a unique method or technique that hasn’t been done before. It’s hard to get and lasts only 20 years. Copyright applies to original works of *authorship* (designs and art). Your crochet pattern, as a written or visual design, can be protected by copyright if registered and lasts for the creator’s lifetime plus 70 years after their death. ✌🏻
Edit: fixed some typos
@@Pixxelina If you read again, you can see i am talking about copyright for a pattern and a patent for a toy. First gets copyrighted as a literature (written text, photos), a toy can be patented as an art or a design. That's why you can't reproduce Mickey Mouse, no matter if you knit it, crochet it, paint it or even create your own pattern. If you sell it, you are breaking the law. Unfortunately, such patents are very expensive and probably not worth of trouble, unless the designer knows that the design of her toy will become widely recognizable and would be worth the investment.
Crochet by El should still contact a lawyer and find out what legal rights she has to her pattern. She at least needs to look into it. Now there will be people who don't crochet stealing patterns to sell to company's for mass production.
@@irmagarcia4012 It's relatively new in our crochet community, but people are using someone's else designs for mass production for ages
Tbf the manufactured duck is still handmade, just by someone being entirely underpaid for their labor in a country far enough away that she doesn’t have to think about them. It’s such a privilege to say “I can’t keep making these it’s too hard on my body so I’m going to outsource to someone who’s physicality doesn’t matter to me.”
Bringing to light some very controversial subjects is important as the crochet community needs to stick together and be reminded that the art of crochet isn’t something to harm, take away from. Not only does manufacturing a plush take away from the crochet market makers but taking someone else’s design is a no no
You brought attention to this in such an important way. Thank you for looking out for the community and handling this with grace. I'm really frustrated for the designer who had their pattern stolen. It's bad for the entire community!
This is something that varies between different countries. In a large crochet business owner community I belong to Americans seem to take it for granted that you can sell items made from other people's designs. But in most European countries it is taken as the norm that you can't, you can only sell if the designer specifically mentions that you can and almost all write that you are not allowed to sell at all. You are expected to only sell your own designs or things that are so common that it is not possible to know who created it first.
Whether a big company or a small company made something, the copy rights belong to whom it created it. If we bend rules based on what we believe to be fair it creates a mess. If someone makes a character and sells it to Disney, that character belongs to Disney and they hold the rights.
And try copying Disney’s design and sell them! They are vicious.
You are totally on point for calling her out for this.
You are spot on. And this is not new, but people need constant reminding. I started crocheting around 1966, as crochet became popular back in the late 60's. I had patterns from great aunts from the early 20th century that were even being copyright infringed back then. Unfortunately it is more costly to try and protect your design than it is worth.
I greatly commend you for bringing out the moral wrong of this. It is the only thing that would keep designs safe, but as you know there will always be thieves.
Years ago I considered writing and sharing my designs but was discouraged by my husband for this very reason. He knew it would be more headache than it was worth. We have a mechanical design company and both had careers as mechanical designers. We dealt enough with design integrity in that field to know the legal protection is lax. And it is practically non-existant in fiber arts. So, the best protection for a designer is for the public to remain morally accountable and call this out.
I am sorry to hear this is happening and my heart really goes out to designers whose work is not being acknowledged. People don't even realize how much it would mean to a designer just to have that little label, "Design by...."
You've explained this whole situation so well! All those free patterns are the reason why I started and became so much better at crochet and I'm honestly so thankful for that. This was definitely a very dirty move from her, but I want to see the good in people and like to think that she didn't do it with ill intend (even though it's still wrong in every single way possible). Hope she just learns from it.
I'm a designer and I would definitely not be okay with this. Makers can happily crochet my designs and sell them at markets, but manufacturing, that's a different story. Hope this isn't becoming a trend... 😬
The ppl disagreeing with you must have never designed or attempted to design a crochet pattern. All this video is asking for is the bare minimum and I think you did it perfectly. It needed to be said and it got the point across. You can’t control how others go about it once you’ve delivered the information.
100% thought that was her own design . As someone who crochets I would be so upset if someone stole my pattern. I have made a couple sweaters using patterns I’ve made up and thought of posting them because I really love them but I would be gutted if this happened .
I saw the first video where she sold out and decided to take preorders….then decided on mass production. At the time I assumed it was her pattern so what I was offended by was the fact she was running a “small crochet” business but decided to mass produce her big draw. Which kinda obliterates the whole handmade crochet vibe she started with. I can go to WalMart if I want a cute cheap duck…I don’t need to go the small business route for that 🙄 Why would anybody pay handmade prices for mass produced? The fact she took somebody else’s idea and ran with it may not be illegal but it is shady as hell.
It's mind boggling someone would do this.
Literally came to comment this exact thing.
Thank you so much for speaking out on this when no one else seemed to think the same way you did. I think most ppl didnt have a clue it wasnt her original pattern. Its great to keep each other accountable
I am new to this type of crochet, yet I admire the talent the designers share. I’ve recently been following many different designers and each one is amazing. I would have never thought to mass produce a design I did not create. As a home crocheter am I going to have to pay more for patterns because designers have to copyright or register their designs. Seriously could stifle the creative process and possibilities. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. You would have thought the notice they put on their patterns would have prevented this happening.
The passion you have for this wrong is so heartfelt! I love that you are bringing light to this. I have seen her video where she talks about mass producing the duck and honestly had no idea it was in fact not hers. This is so frustrating as I do not know how to create patterns, so I use designs by my favorite artis and it's not cheap to pay for these patterns but I do not mind because I can see the hard work they put into it. So the fact that Eli posted this pattern for free is amazing and so kind! She should not have someone take your pattern and mass produce like this is sick to be honest! Thank you for standing up for Eli! You are amazing!!
Girl shouldn’t be mass producing an idea that isn’t hers. Glad you’re bringing this to light. I’ve ever heard of this in the crochet community.
Also, this is the first of your vids I’ve come across and had to sub :) love to connect to other small crochet channels 😊
Wow! How well this video made. Not many people would have courage to talk about it. Good job!
Glad she owned up to the mistake she made.
After having some time to think about it, obviously we've been in need of copyright reform for many years now and I think we all kind of mentally presume a "cottage exception" to the copyright rule. We justify the reproduction of licensed media by small time makers because individual makers can only reproduce a limited quantity for a limited time because physics. If a corporation takes a maker to court they have to prove that the maker caused them to lose profits. Which if you're selling handmade items at a craft fair, good luck proving loss of profit. Makers who then switch over to mass production lose the protection of the "cottage exception". Fan artists who are selling prints are arguably towing the line between mass production and cottage exception. If you make a video using licensed media or copyrighted material, if that video goes viral that also probably falls outside of the "cottage exception" because it's basically mass promotion. Smaller audiences would fall under the exception the same way copyright warnings on VHS's used to specify for viewing of audiences less than 20 people
I watched that video sometime in the last week and just assumed it was her own pattern. Not until your video did I know it was a free pattern from someone else. I don't like the ethics of this, but I am also on the fence about 'loved characters'. I'm currently working on a pattern for a series of video game characters and since my crochet patterns will be a variant of the characters that don't exist at this point, I feel confident that it is ok. I was intending to sell the pattern, but now I really need to think about the ethics of this and evaluate what I feel comfortable with doing.
I would not feel comfortable or ethical with mass-producing anything that was not my own creation and design...I know that much!
I don’t plan on sharing on the internet any pattern, picture or video of my creations. I'm just doing this for my own entertainment. Characters, objects, clothes, bags. As much as I admire you guys for inspiring us, I've seen and heard of more than enough cases, and recently a talented designer gave up on crochet because her designs got stolen repeatedly (she sells clothes). Even when you wear your stuff outside, anyone working for the mass production industry could see it and get it copied. That's also where they get their "inspiration" from, watching what everyday people just living life wear. But it's still less likely to happen than on the internet 🤕
I’m just a beginner crocheter so i don’t have a really solid point of view (apart from the kneejerk yucky feeling) on the topic. Mostly wanted to say, omg i love your hair and eyeliner!
What this crocheter has done is completely wrong. Even if she credits the original designer, it is not her idea to sell. She should come up with her own idea rather than stealing someone else's. As for character plushies, I don't have a problem with creating something for your own personal use, and I believe that it isn't an issue for the companies. Selling them at markets is another issue. Regardless of how you feel about big corporations, you are still stealing someone else's idea and profiting from it. I will never sell character plushies, even by special request. I do look for copyright free characters, but there are not that many. Winnie the Pooh characters are no longer under copyright so you can use them. However, you cannot make them as duplicates of the Disney characters because those are protected. I had a similar issue with Anne of Green Gables. Although the books are no longer under copyright, the rights to the characters are owned by the family and cannot be replicated and distributed. I am shocked at how many patterns you can buy on Etsy and in other places that are copyright protected. Also, the number of crocheters who sell them at markets astound me. You are putting your business in jeopardy by doing things like this. Getting sued by a large corporation can't be fun. Also, crocheters cannot claim ignorance of the law when they knowingly rename their plushies/patterns so that they cannot be found out by the companies. See: Baby Alien a.k.a. Baby Yoda as an example. Personally, I won't take the risk. As for the other crochet artist, mass producing someone's else's pattern is reprehensible and she should be called out for this. Just my thoughts on the issue. Thanks for opening the dialogue.
Same. I never make trademarked designs, even if someone asks me to do a custom order. Yet other crocheters make bank selling things they didn’t design or get permission to sell. I could make a heck of a lot of money if I broke the law, and it’s extremely annoying that others choose to do so with no repercussions.
From what I've been told by a lawyer when I asked about copyright laws in the US that deal with knitted/crocheted patterns.
They said that if given permission on the pattern you must obey what is written. They said you can't sell the pattern itself or take the finished item and make it with something else like from knitted to plushie or to doll etc. they must have a written and notarized statement from the original creator giving the person permission to take their finished pattern design and recreate it in another medium again gave example a plushie or doll.
So yah they're breaking the law stealing the op's design and remaking it as a 1 to 1 replica plushie
womp womp
I had zero idea that wasn't her own crochet pattern!!! Thank you for doing this deep dive! Please do more videos like this!
Thank you so much, Robin!! Your tutorials are SO well presented, easily explained & easy to follow along with. I really appreciate you not having background music or excess chatter while doing your videos. (There's a time & place for all that, but it distracts me sometimes.) I've been crocheting off & on for over twenty years but really got back into within the past 2-ish years. I've given myself a summertime challenge that I call "New Stitch Saturday" and have followed a number of your tutorials to learn some new-to-me stitches. (This one is TODAY'S new stitch to learn!) Thank you so much & I'm excited to see what other tutorials I will be learning from you!! 🥰🥳
There is so much of this in the crochet world. One of my biggest personal beefs is pattern sellers who heavily increase their regular price so they can put on what I call forever sales, where you discount for 40% or more and then you are selling the pattern for the ACTUAL price you wanted to sell at. Customers think they’re getting a sale when in reality they aren’t. And a lot of the time they are paying more for a pattern where other similar ones are less but at regular price. I fell for this as a consumer years ago and so as a designer I refuse to do it, even if it means I don’t get ahead.
I am so happy you posted this video. It's sad someone would do this out of greed.
Absolutely!
Love your version of the snake. I agree. I've got your back ❤
You have such a great point! I love watching you before and even more now. Although I don’t think we should be attacking anyone. This issue just needed to be addressed, i would love for you to go live not only so we can meet you there but be able to interact with on a more personal level, we love a good live session 😊
I'd like to hear from an Intellectual Property Lawyer their input on this topic
Thank you for taking a stand and voicing your opinion. Something good may come of it.
Great video! I’m not sure it’s ethical to copy someone’s work without consent and I feel for anyone who has had this happen to them. Personally I couldn’t sleep at night knowing I’d done anything like that but I appreciate everyone’s values are different x
Unethical behaviour must always be reported. It's like you say, if nobody points it out, it can become a trend, and that's not good for a community as a whole. Thank you for this video!
Thank you for bringing such an articulate take on this issue. It's happening so much where people want to create but they don't have the knowhow to design from scratch. Very few people are taught the ethics of copying a design. They haven't reached the point where they've ideated something, done the laborious work to make it a tangible product, and had the experience of someone else copying the hard work they just put into it. Most people only get here by experience, and it's a pretty painful one from my own experience (in art not crochet albeit).
The point to drive home is definitely "if the roles were reversed" take. However, it just won't be possible with the current timeline because creators are much more interested in sharing their methods and growing the community than keeping the actual IPs they create private. Those advices from professionals to the general community are often reported to be "toxic gatekeeping".
I've been vending for more than a decade, and it's been common knowledge that you stay away from other's designs. We can share manufactures and raw materials, but those who transgress by copying other people's ideas are forever on a shit list lol.
I watched all of her videos a few weeks ago. I had no idea that this is not her pattern. You have made very valid points and I 100% agree with you.
woooow !
I was one of those people who actually commented on her video! :(
I did think it was really strange that she would choose to mass produce it as a plushie because she couldn't keep up with the demands.. like isn't the whole point of selling crochet plushies is to actually CROCHET plushies!? That's half the fun of running the business is making the items yourself!
I had no idea before watching your video that it wasn't her pattern! I too believe that she should've been wayyy more upfront about it not being her pattern. Thank you for taking the time to inform people about this. I hope that everyone watching will go and show Crocheted by EL some love on insta! She def deserves it! I know I will be!
Yes! I hope everyone shares crocheted by el’s page. She is a talented designer!
The fact that she left out that she didn’t create this pattern proves that she knew exactly what she was doing wrong
Also, she can’t sell mass-produced goods at some craft fairs.
I watched her video a while back and thought it was her pattern too but wasn’t able to find it anywhere on her page either until I saw another creator credit the designer after that I stopped supporting her channel because I thought it was morally and ethically wrong to mass produce it, it completely takes away the charm and cuteness of it being a handmade plushie. I’m glad you posted this video and I thank you for the courage you have to talk about these types of subjects
This was so eye opening! You are truly amazing Quinn.
Wow I thought that was her pattern. What a POS! THANK YOU for bringing this to light.
I am iffy about making and selling big name characters. On one hand if the IP holders didn’t make an item in that style, I think fan art is somewhat ok. I personally wouldn’t sell now but I have in the past. As far as the mass produced plush from someone else’s pattern, that is 100% wrong. She says giving the info about manufacturing is like copying homework, well she stole the answer sheet from the teacher. Imagine the time it took for the original creator to imagine, design, make, and write out the pattern. It took them most likely years of crocheting to have enough experience to do that and they generously gave it out for free. They intended it to be made by people, not a Chinese manufacturer. Honestly makes me kind of mad at the audacity the person has to think that is any way ok.
Agreed! You summarized the points in the whole video so well
I think it's ok to sell big-name characters. I even think it's ok to sell fan made stuff of small name characters as long as it's hand-made and not mass produced.
Totally agree with you! When people start having hand made items mass produced from other countries this becomes the downfall of the craft itself. The items are able to be offered much less expensive and therefore it eventually kills the business of all us small business operators. I tole painted for years and eventually it became mass produced from China and it killed that craft in a lot of ways. Some people will still put money out for things that are actually hand painted but once it became mass produced they were able to silk screen a alot of the designs and sell them for pennies on the dollar. I have no respect for anyone who does this! They are underselling the rest of us.
Aloha from Hawaii 🌴 I tole painted years ago. It was soooo much fun and relaxing. So much memories. ALOHA!
@@desireeayat9520 Aloha!
She said she would not be manufacturing the plushie and apologizes for all that mess.
I read what she wrote in the comments and she also lied and said she has always credited the designer in the description, when that’s not true because there’s screenshots shown in this video
@@Umahost62748 oh okay, so she lied about crediting the creator of the pattern when she actually hasn't. As long as moving forward, she recognizes her mistakes and fixes them, it's all good. Though if she continues lying, not good and very messed up.
Some people will never have morals. Anytime you put something on the internet you will always run the risk of this happening. I personally think this is totally wrong since I have good morals.
I completely agree that this is wrong. However, to play devil's advocate, perhaps she thought it was okay because she created additional stuff for the duck (her own clothing or modifications). It might be similar to a doll repaint or modification where a person is using a premade base, then adding their own creativity to it to make it their own and selling that finished piece.
Really the only beef I have is manufactured things being sold at hand crafted shows. To add insult to injury some of them do very well at those shows. It makes me wonder why I work so hard instead of just buying things on Amazon and sell them at a 500% markup.
OMG! that snake is so cute!! What you are talking about is exactly why I have been afraid to make and sale patterns. I do think that it was so wrong to make the crochet plushie pattern that someone else made into a plushie. They could of taken one of their own patterns and made it into a plushie. And I also think they didn't link the artists for the pattern in hopes that it would not get back to them. The crochet world is hard enough as it is but to have another crochet artist do that to another is sad to me. I have crocheted for so long and could make most anything without a pattern but I do purchase the patterns when I see one I like because I feel that it is only right to do so. Also I am always scared to make a pattern to sale in case I do something that someone else may have done before as you can't always know every pattern that is made out there.
I really like your take on this matter! You are totally right, this whole situation doesn’t sit right with me :(
Thank you so much for bringing this to light. My personal opinion is it’s not ok to take anyone’s property without permission. Period. I admire your stance. 😊😊😊
Aloha from Hawaii 🌴 I loved the snake. I'm glad you made me aware of the issue. I would never do such a thing. I always appreciate your kindness and do the right thing attitude. ALOHA!!
Oh damn. I had seen the tiktok about the market and the yt vid also where she had said she was looking into manufacturing it but had no idea it wasnt her design bc, as you said, she never mentioned who the designer was. This is so so so bad. Literally did the equivalent of shein, wish, temu, etc, stealing a popular crochet or knitted design and selling it for cheap to the masses. If everyone knew it wasnt her design, all those comments would flip from positive to neg so freakin fast
I agree completely. The crocheter who is producing the duck (for example) should have gotten permission to manufacture it. And the designer should get royalties on each sale. That's only fair.
Thank you for this video. I completely agree with you 💯 I hope this makes her pause to do the right thing.
Im glad I came across this video. I can never support someone like that. It’s okay to take inspiration from other artists, but that’s just straight up stealing. I feel so bad for the original creator of the pattern, all their hard work (which they were kind enough to give for free) only for someone to try to profit off of their art. You can’t steal art from artists and try to pass it off as your own creation.
Im a fan of a lot of shows but never in my life have i bought merch. Im a huge fan of taylor swift too but i never had posters or any kind of merch from her either. Why? because i live in india and all the prices are for rich countries. $20 is like 1700 rupees. We dont pay that much for a Tshirt !!! At max we pay 700 but even 700 is a lot. I usually buy clothing for 500 INR or less. Even phones are expensive for us because my monthly salary is like $300 a month and i earn more than minimum wage here.
I watched this video and thought it was a great idea. There are many crochet patterns based on plushies or characters so to me it’s just the same basic idea. I had no idea it was someone else’s pattern. It definitely isn’t the right thing to do- morally if not legally. Thank you for bringing this to light.
I'm a crochet amigurumi designer and this is the type of stuff that really makes me wonder if I should continue 🤔. I think it's almost impossible to police how people use your designs.
I'm sure the manufacturer has already taken this duck design for their own.
When I saw the title of this video, I thought it was gonna be about someone making a lot of the same project to sell from a free pattern(like 100+ of them or so) but oh jeez it's way worse 😳 on a positive note, I love how the snake turned out!! He has the same name as my nephew hehe 🤭
Love your snake first of all so adorable!!!!! I think you bringing this to the attention of the maker and to the creator along with then putting it out there is so big and brave of you where clearly other people have looked the other way. What bothers me is that she did not sell her item to this company for mass production. She sold the idea/design which was not hers to sell. The reason why I think this is wrong is because when we create a plushie and sell that plushie at a market we sell the work and skill we put into creating the physical item. I am between a beginner and intermediate crochet creator and no 2 items come out the same way there are just built in things by happenstance which makes it mine. I would hate for pattern creators to stop what they have been doing because of these circumstances and people to stop buying items like this at markets but they can go to the local whatever store and get a massed produced item looking the same way. Love you CCC and thank you for the crochet and talk always super fun to watch your mind work!!!!! 😂
Thank you so much for calling it out!!!! It should be brought up!!! I watched this video on the background while crocheting and had same thoughts, tho unfortunately didn’t go into the details! It’s definitely wrong to mass produce without asking the original artist!!!
* she put the update that won’t sell those manufactured ducks, so hopefully she’ll keep her word!
I do agree that what she is doing is unethical. Today, I was in Michael's and happened to look at the Beanie Babies ddisplay. Lot os the little animals looked familiar and it came to me that some of our crocheters have copied those animals, right down to the oversized eyes. They were someone's designs originally and now crocheters are copying them.
Wow, this is very interesting! I don’t know if I’ve seen an instance where another plushie was copied into a crochet version but I will keep this is mind the next time my toddler wants to look at the beanie babies. Thank you for commenting
Reigning Charmz just did a video using this exact duck as the example for how to price and nowhere in the video or the description did she credit the designer
Maybe she forgot? 🤷🏻♀️ did you leave a comment in her video reminding her to give credit?
It sounds like the point of the video was to show how to price items, not necessarily to share patterns. Which is why it may have been overlooked.
I think she was discussing pricing only so didn’t note designer. On her market prep videos she always lists the designers.
Is it possible that that girl actually had negative comments but she deleted them?? I would be very surprised that you were the only one that did that. But it’s great that you have shown light on this issue.
Quinn I admired you before this video and even more after it!!! You put your point across so eloquently and yes, you called out the person who is making the plushy, but not in a mean way at all!! You used it as an example of what if happening in, not only the crochet community, but in the art community and several others I'm sure. Well done Quinn and thank you!!
I see she posted an apology and is not selling them. She thanked you for your comments that didn't attack her but put it in perspective. ❤❤❤
It’s so different when you are making something for personal use only. It’s almost like seeing artwork you like on Pinterest and recreating it to hang in your bedroom. I’ve definitely done that but would never claim it was my art and I definitely wouldn’t sell it.
Such an interesting discussion. Thank you for being brave enough to bring up this issue for the community to share their opinions. I, personally, would never make a licensed character to sell, however for personal use/ to gift, I feel okay with, as I am not gaining anything from it other than joy. I do believe it's absolutely ethically wrong to take another person's design and use it in a way that was 1. not intended by said designer, or 2. used without permission ESPECIALLY if that design is then being mass-produced for your own monetary gain and recognition in the community. It's just not ok. I'm also with you on crediting designers for their work; whether it was a free release or not, someone has put time, effort and talent into creating a pattern for others to use (fairly). It's really disappointing to think a lot of viewers/ customers would not realise that the plushie wasn't of her own original design (as I would have) because of the omission of credit AND the way her content is presented {whether it was intended or not). P.s. I do love the colours you chose for the 2 headed snake ombre, it's beautiful
This is a really well put together video. This was informative, fair, and well researched. Very interesting talking points. Thank you.
YT put this and another video on my feed on this topic. I watched yours first and couldn't finish the other. It was ick. I know you saw it because you commented and I'm sorry that other video insinuated you were a bully and a stalker. It's like the other content creator didn't even watch this video. Even Ashley feels this video is fair. I came close to commenting on that other video, but knowing comments help with analytics, I came here to help yours instead.
Also, I love the snek.
Thank you for bringing this to light. This is so shady. Love that you gave it some light and brave of you bringing it up. ❤❤
I completely agree. This is theft and should be treated as such. Be humble and respectful and credit the original designer!
Crochet by El should be getting the benefit from the manufacturer buying this pattern to make it a stuffed animal to mass produce. The person taking credit for the pattern is not doing the correct thing morally. She should get a finders fee but not the full benefit of it.
I am disappointed in this crafter using someone else's work. This, in my opinion, is dishonest.
Kudos to you my friend. I am so glad you brought this to our attention. I wouldn't have known. It's sad, but what comes around goes around. You are awesome and love watching your videos.
Thank you for making this video. I've been crocheting items that I hope to sell, and while there are slight mods from the original pattern, I still need to give credit to the original pattern creator.
thank you for bringing up this subject. What she did is wrong. I did watch her video when it first came out, as it came up on my feed, but I thought it was weird. Why would anyone want a mass produced item of what they originally hand made. I just revisited her video and she has a pinned comment stating that she is halting her production with the company to mass produce them. So Quinn, I think your comment (which by the way does not appear) did the job!
As a designer myself I despise anyone who does this it’s completely dishonest and morally wrong. I also feel like people who do this should be held accountable and continue to be put on blast by those who are actually the original designers. This entire situation is absolutely disgusting and I feel so disappointed for the original designer and I’m really hoping these type of situations stop happening.
Loved the video. And you’re gorgeous!❤
Hi, I'm a new watcher. I've come over from Crochet Vision to find out about the hub bub. I honestly don't like the manufactured version of the duck (in your video). I find the crochet version much better. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Omg I'm your fan club president after this. I see so many local artists stealing and claiming others work to make a buck it's just insulting... But that kind of clientele doesn't last forever and will die fast just like the fling that rose them. Slow and steady is the way to go! Trust is the best foundation
Yikes, I’ve seen her videos suggested but have not watched any, but I remembered her because she shares her name with a grade school classmate of mine. I think a lot of cognitive dissonance is happening here where she sees nothing wrong with her actions but protects her work on the manufacturing side. It’s very sad and I feel for El and all the other creators who don’t get the credit they deserve. Thanks for bringing this to light!
I've seen SheIn and Fashion nova steal at least 7 of my friends designs. It's disgusting.
That lady definitely knows she's wrong! She's morally bankrupt !!!
Shout out to Crochet by El for being an excellent designer.
Wow yeah thank you for making this video. I had come across one of their videos and a short about them manufacturing this duck and I just assumed it was her intellectual property because..how could anyone dare to that to someone else! Just wow.