@@BigSoulja69 just cause charges were dropped does not mean he’s innocent. Photographic and audio evidence prove he’s blatantly guilty. if he plays for united again it’s an example of the club condoning this behavior
@@danielsachs-amrami9919Whikst i’m of the opinion that the voice recording is pretty damning, we really don’t know. Pictures can be easily faked, and the audio could be but I don’t know. It probably did happen but we as observers can’t be 100% sure. I also find it weird that her dad said he’s a nice bloke after that happening allegedly to his own daughter.
Rehabilitation doesn't just mean ignoring it happened and getting on with it. It means paying for what you've done, acknowleging it and learning from it via atonement.
Exactly. Some rapists in theory could be rehabilitated however that means they need to serve a lengthy amount of time in prison at the bare minimum and also coming with acknowledging that what they did was wrong and why it was wrong Greenwood looks like he'll never spend a day in prison so the issue of rehabilitation isn't relevant here
@@fivestarman5130 not being a RUclips bellend and arguing for the sake of it, but having seen the prison system first hand please don't assume that going to prison equals genuine rehab. Time can be easily wasted in jails unless the person is driven to rehab. A forced course could be more beneficial than jail time
What if he releases footage of her assaulting him? What if the lady has forgiven him? Rehab? sick of they girly boys not accepting the law. Let everyone move on. Thank God these eeediots are not judges or in the police. True gerodie is known for making lewd moves over the internet and being a racist should no this best!!! The truth is not always that simple especially I'm cases that are with toxic relationships. Definitely Greenwood needs punishing and help. 2 year delay reputation damage etc is enough as it is. Who are we to judge. I think the two kids are actually back together. He knows and should no even close to thinking of behaving in that way he will be buried in his career and in jail.
what nonsense. the guy has literally been proven innocent based on the entire body of evidence available to Manchester Police and not just one rogue clip on RUclips. Social Media acts like its judge and jury.
The club I support from my country in South America recently went through a similar situation in which a player who is one of our own, ended up doing something unacceptable. The club immediately terminated his contract no matter if he meant to do it or not, even if he was one of our best players. Just having someone with those kind of allegations brings down the reputation of the club.
I really do believe that the majority of fans in the stadium would forget/accept Greenwood back after he'd played a good season or two. Football fans are very fickle.
Didnt the girl her self forgive him? I mean she is the victim here guys not the fucking fans. Not only that but i hear rumours they are back together.Should Maso Greenwood be stained for life? Murderers get to complete their sentence and get on with life so why shouldnt Mason when he isnt even guilty in the court of law. If you have a problem with that he isnt convicted then maybe go make a petition for audiotapes to have more power in the court of law but you cant because they dont for a reason.
Just a reminder that Marcos Alonso literally killed a woman and he still played 212 games for Chelsea and he's probably going to be a La Liga winner now.
@@ardashirshah7786just stop with this absolute rubbish, deepfake technology is nowhere near that developed nowadays anyway, it’s easy to tell a deepfake
@@ardashirshah7786 nobody cares about the talent he has, everyone saying it’d be a disgrace to bring him back would still be saying it if it was Phil Jones who was in this trouble.
Man Utd male fan of over 50 years here. I completely agree. If he pulls on the sacred red shirt again, i will seriously consider if this is the club i want to continue supporting. I know what i saw and heard with my own eyes. We need to show support for this, and other girls. I have been villified by other United fans, who would sacrifice morality for club success. It's disgusting they feel this way. This is way more important than football. I have heard that the other current players don't want him back, and i believe ETH will make the right decision. He's made great ones so far!
Dear Bigfoot: *Would SM/BD "revenge" videos, be held, as evidence,* by the female knaves looking to rape the golden goose? ---------------------------------- If Manchester United doesn't play Greenwood, then they shouldn't sell the club to the Sharia law Sheiks, who represent the sentiments that will shake and *sully* the sanctimonious souls on Stretford End's sacred soil.
@@RDKID it means that they feel money is compensation enough for what they went through. You wouldn’t say this about a stab victim, it’s crazy how victims of sexual Assualt are judged no matter what they do. A lot of victims aren’t mentally strong enough to go through a trial, imagine millions of people criticising you & ripping apart your testimony online. You would take that money too
Wow, that was so stupid and dumb. You, who wrote this are innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's known as the fundamental tenet of western civilization. If you are game, I'll accuse you of a crime, and you will have to prove you are innocent. You don't have to be found not guilty, its for them to make a case, and if you didn'y hear what the CPS said when they dropped the case, "new evidence has emerged". Figure that out. I swear, the world is getting dumber and less critical by the day. PS: (probably due to a behind the scenes deal), please prove.
Crazy how everyone forgets how David De Gea went through almost the exact same situation at Mason Greenwoods age yet not 1 person cares anymore now he's been successful.
@@ILKILO1the point is. This happens all the time, charges are dropped and hush money happens but no one will ever forget the audio or the pictures that were released. It is the clearest evidence I’ve ever seen.
@@siraajuddin736 Evidence of what exactly? Can you take us through the sequence of events that you know happened due to a short audio clip and a photograph of a girl with what appears to be blood on her lip?
Kudos to you guys. Lovely to hear people stating what is morally right rather than trying to claim he’s now innocent and should be allowed to play football again. Her recording of him demonstrated how vile he really is.
Dear Tracy BB: Expression of anger caught on tape would have many who are only guilty of not controlling their emotions in hot water in a cold situation. *Would SM/BD revenge videos be held, as evidence,* by the female knaves looking to rape the golden goose?
Only deluded people claim he's "innocent". The only thing that annoys me is hearing Assnal fans burying their heads about Partey, but wanting to jump on this. Or Chelsea fans ignoring the situation with Marcos Alonso and doing the same.
Wow, I listened to it and all it was was a spoilt desperate guy begging for sex. A bit like the cliche of women wanting some on a Saturday night whilst Match of the Day is on. He is pleading and eventually give up and says, "get off me". When people call others "vile", in psychology, it's called projection. Meaning that it is you that is vile, think about that.
Crazy how everyone forgets how David De Gea went through almost the exact same situation at Mason Greenwoods age yet not 1 person cares anymore now he's been successful.
@Ardashir Shah If there was not enough evidence they would not have charged him, they only charge people if they think they have a good chance of conviction otherwise it's a waste of public money,but if people refuse to give that evidence in court there is nothing they can do.
@@Lee-nv2rgread the CPS statement. In addition to her withdrawing her co-operation, new evidence also emerged which cast further doubt on his guilt. Your type conveniently ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda
Unpopular opinion: There’s not enough information to accurately judge this situation. As for Man United, it would be a PR disaster if he shows up next season playing for the club.
@@mathewholman927 not all of the recordings that were in the media before the trial. Short memories on you lot and I'm honestly shocked how much the mob is certain of his guilt.
Well done the kick off for actually having the balls to speak about this. The fact it’s even a debate for people to say he should play football again is crazy
Technically he’s never been charged of anything 😂 why shouldn’t he be allowed to play football again? There’s been plenty of footballers who have been under investigation of rape and assault and still carried on playing. Allot are calling one of those footballers the goat!
@@Thailandfc24 Yh it should be down to clubs. It’s whether they can morally choose whether to sign him. It’s not for us or the leagues to say whether he can or cannot play
He won’t return for a couple of reasons; 1) the man United women’s team have publically stated they’d feel extremely gutted and disappointed if Greenwood were to play for United again. So the players have an issue with his return. 2) The United sponsors won’t want their image tarnished by the Greenwood case, which ultimately has a huge impact on the financial backing of the club. Considering United is run like a business it’s hard to believe that they would overlook their sponsor’s preference. I’m a United fan and I just think it’s a massive shame. A kid with so much talent has ruined his future. Yet, his talent doesn’t outweigh his unforgivable actions.
You’re absolutely right on the burden of proof. CPS had a key witness back out, can’t proceed, but United can and absolutely should play that clip and say to him “Nope, off you go”. Every sane person who has heard that clip should be saying the same
According to CPS there was new Materials coming to light. Maybe it was new evidence? Maybe she extorted Mason with fake Photos? Maybe she liked the 50 shades of Grey way? Maybe she said in that clip "stick it in" ? Maybe she recorded him to extort him? No you have only seen one story and thats it. There is always two sides.
All we heard is a clip. It's a very damning clip but it's just a voice recording. It's no real proof of anything without context or further evidence. The pictures of her bruises were even more damning and worrying, but somehow her dad was seen to be calming and restricting her at the time and speaking quite fondly of Mason and now she's back with him. There must be more to this that we don't know, and therefore can't take into account. She clearly hasn't taken herself seriously as a victim and didn't take him seriously as a criminal. And stopped the courts being able to take him seriously as a potential criminal. Anybody who is logical would be able to see that. I had the emotional reaction like everybody else but we've had months and months to think logically now.
The fact that no one kicked up a storm when Marcos Alonso literally got a woman killed is mind boggling to me. Greenwood should be able to atone for whatever he has commited. It might not be what people want to see, but second chances seem to be a foreign concept nowadays. Imagine TG had to have all his social media accounts banned after his disgusting "jokes". In no way do i condone any violence against women, but as a society, we seemed to destroy people before they can even attempt to change.
@@danielcalvin1497 Why? People are acting like they actually care and are point scoring. They'll defend Greenwood by saying what about Partey. Partey hasnt been named by the police
@@franklingoodwin neither has mason greenwood though. All police statements say ‘21 year old male’. It was only United suspending him and the evidence posted that told everyone. I’m not defending him at all I think he’s a twat but mendy and greenwood have been publicised but partey and bissouma still play
I expected an ugly debate that doesn't take this case seriously from the kickoff and I'm surprised that the new guys actually took this seriously and said the truth and how our justice system continues to fail us.
Haven't watched the video yet, but respect to Geordie for treading this topic, given what has happened to him recently, not sure many would take that risk under the circumstances
issue with the kick off is total lack of discussion - its just everyone saying their own opinion one after another, not one person was asked to expand on something they said or was responded to directly.
The reason you know he has done something, is because she mysteriously withdrew her statement and that's it. If he was innocent, they would counter sue for defamation as this will have a significant impact on his career. The reason he hasn't is because they have come to a settlement agreement.. ie, how much do I need to pay you to shut up and never bring it up again. Settlement agreements and withdrawn statements should have much more scrutinity because it is just a perversion of justice.
@MAG DEBATES who knows... it could be herself not wanting to press charges. It is not that strange for victims to have feelings or empathy towards abusers. I could be completely wrong, we just dont have all the actual information to make statements
People need to get off their soap boxes about Mason Greenwood. Nobody knows why the charges were dropped but everyone is assuming she's been paid off. Maybe one day she'll speak about it publicly, maybe one day we'll find out why the charges were dropped. The one fact we do know is that witnesses aren't necessary for a prosecution to occur. Even the victim themselves doesn't have to press charges for the CPS to take the case to court. There's far more significance to the new evidence that's come to light than anything else but everyone is ignoring that. Also, rival fans acting like they care about this morally. Most of them would change their tune if Greenwood became a fre agent and signed for their clubs. KG is the only person trying to be rational here. The rest are disgusting
btw, just for clarification. The club are doing their own investigation. If they find him guilty, he should never play for United again and I trust their judgement on the matter. Like Brian says, they're not beholden to technicalities in the law and can sack him for bringing the club into disrepute . If that happens, we'll know the truth. Until then, everyone needs to let the process take its course and stop making wild assumptions. For all we know, the audio could be completely fake. Everyone's acting like ElevenLabs doesn't exist. Not saying that's it but there's as much validity in me claiming that's what happened as there is any of the other nonsense people are saying. Nobody knows anything
@@justrandom2871Sadly yes. The reason why Greenwood shouldn’t play is because we have enough evidence to say so. Most people aren’t just going off of her accusations but the recordings are solid proof for most people. In a better world, we would have a lie detector to be able to see whether someone is guilty or not. Sadly, we don’t know if Partey is guilty or not.
@@justrandom2871 sadly yes. It’s obvious he did do that but the lack of the same evidence that Greenwood had put in the public domain means he’ll get away with it
Honestly - no. He got off one rape on a technicality (similar to greenwood. Only greenwood looks like he's paid his way out of it which Partey didn't need to do due to the law change). Still has 2 counts he's on bail for I think that the police are still investigating. Any other club they are suspending him. Arsenal... nah...
There’s more United fans who don’t want to see him anywhere near the club again than who do. But of course you only mention the ones who would happily see him back
No not really mark goldbridge done a poll keep or sell and mason won by a landslide. Me I want him to play, he’s a black man who’s alleged raped a white woman if he was guilty he be behind bars for less
The situation hinges on the context of the evidence released to the public. It’s all well and good making judgements based on the pics and audio but we MUST know what other evidence came up in the investigation before coming to concrete conclusions. If it happens that there was hacking involved and there is context to provide (role playing etc) then it’s only fair this comes out for everyone’s sake. If this evidence doesn’t exist then you can only go by what’s there and someone with that attached to their name should not be playing for the club but everyone deserves the right to defend themselves and we as fans deserve to know the truth.
Exactly. People are too quick to pick a side. An acceptable response to this stuff is “I want cast judgment yet I’ll wait to see the evidence”. This new material that has come about could be a text from her, or a secret recording of her saying “I’m going to accuse him of rape and beating me so I get money”. Could literally be that, we don’t know. So let’s not cast judgments before we know the evidence.
I'm not trying to defend him but what I will say is for as much information as we have compared to other similar cases, we have very little information of what happened. The truth is that we don't know why the case got dropped. And the only thing we do know about the case is the stuff that was posted in the beginning. This case has been ongoing for a full year and we don't know anything that's happened during that time.
@@Samialexchak doesn’t work in this case. Blatantly had the charges dropped because she’s back with him or they settled out of court. Really not hard to get your head around
Exactly. We're in dangerous times now that we have men advocating for other men to be punished even though they weren't proven guilty. I agree consent must be given. But if she's your girlfriend, you're committed to her, I believe it's her duty. JUST LIKE it's a man's duty to physically protect her. So men are expected to defend his women with his life, but his woman can hold him hostage of sex? How's that balanced or fair?
He should be punished if proven guilty. But I also think it's slimey af for her to feign not wanting sex on order to capture a recording of him appearance to r@pe her. What man immediately says "ok that's fine" when his girl says she doesn't want sex? You're gonna push at least a little bit.
Should leave it to professional people as the investigation team, lawyers and wise counseling services have done there job. Let's move forward with forgiveness and hope
I don’t understand how you can make an apology video for your last blunder begging for a second chance and don’t even give the slightest bit of that same energy towards this guy
The thing people are missing out on here is she said she didn't post or leak them and didn't want to. She also didn't want to press charges this was all done. Surely if the victim's wishes matter here not the public.
Simple uneducated guys….. Amber Herd had recordings ! You literally think the police and CPS are covering it up because he’s rich 🤦🏼♂️ If I was Mason Greenwood I’d sue you …. I hope he does as you’ll be paying out big bucks and apologising publicly!
Imagine what would've happened to Chris Brown with the Rihanna issue if their situation happened recently. People would've fought to cancel him and make sure he never releases music again. These days people feel like you should cease to exist if you did something terrible.
Most people asking for Greenwoods head are not United fans so there's a level of Rivalry... The so-called evidence to a Trained eye is far from conclusive. And very convenient. If a lady is Beaten to the point of massive injuries.... You walk straight to the police station... You don take pictures
The girl stayed with Greenwood and is even pregnant by him, the father spoke sympathetically about Greenwood, and the case got dropped. If the girl thought she was treated unjustly, she shouldn't stay with him. Anything else related to Greenwood's personal life is irrelevant. I'm all for it if Man United decide that Greenwood should play again. 🔚
Serious question for those who say no in absolute terms - so what happens to him? Because if you think him doing what he has been accused of doing makes him not good enough for Man Utd, then he shouldn't be good enough for any enterprise, right? Because why should any other business have different moral standards to Man Utd? So does that mean, people in his position should all just be abandoned?
He's a multi-millionaire already, he quite clearly has no shame but if he did, it'd be smart for him to live his life in private with his millions and hear nothing from him again.
@@tomzknight7412 Fair, but he's also only 21. He was a teenager when he did what he did. That's not an excuse but my question wasn't limited to just him. I don't think he in particular should ever play professional football. Buy my question wasn't limited to him. When kids make a mistake, and he for example was at the club since he was six. The coaches at the academy have had a major role in his upbringing and not just his football, not that they should take any responsibility for what he has allegedly done, but you can't be mad if they wanted to help him do better as a man and helped him through this period. If there is penance for what he did, there should also be a path for redemption is what I'm saying. Now, this guy hasn't actually owned up to his mistake yet, and has had no penance for what he did. So you can't make that argument for him now, but people act like 1 bad episode in life should just end it.
@@amrithbharadwaj4945 I see your point. For me anyway Greenwood should've admitted to what he did and faced the necessary punishment. Then after he served his term I fully believe he deserves a second chance in life if he's willing to change, however he's not going to apologise as it would be an admission of guilt so until he apologises, he deserves nothing from anyone and it's his problem in my opinion.
Funny how certain people on this panel forget they've had 2nd chances in life for nasty things they have done, but they won't entertain that Greenwood (who was thrusted into the limelight at a young age) can be re-educated and change his immature attitude. As KG says his whole upbringing has to be brought in to question. No one is ignoring what happened, but there should be a chance to rehabilatate himself for wrongs he has done. Then possibly in time after attending therapy or counseling, either as a condition of probation he could become an advocate against domestic violence. Taking responsibility for his actions and making a sustained effort to change behavior.
She didn’t want justice. She dropped the charges. For whatever reason, she wants to be with him more than she wants to see him punished. It’s sad, but it’s her call.
Jesus can't you let people speak? What a mess of a podcast/watchalong. If you are asking about "rehabilitation", whats important for society now that he is free of charges, is that this doesn't happen again. As for punishment, this lad has been outed to the whole world through social media. Five years in prison is nothing to that. There is no point stopping him from playing football, the point has to be to stop him from treating women badly again. That being said, the best for all parties included is if he goes abroad with his career. Both for him, for Man Utd, and for the girl he was accused of mistreating.
Thanks for this conversation. As a Utd fan I've been pulling my hair out with my mates and other supporters feeling like I had a minority opinion on Greenwood. He should be gone. I think it's clear he can't play in England anymore. One thing is for sure though - He'll have a lot of suitors in Europe and beyond. Question for the England team if he continues to play at a high level - Questions will keep coming up - Is Greenwood coming back? One thing is for sure - The guy isn't going to go anywhere unless he starts to make right - He hasn't even apologised yet!!! I'm sure he's been advised to say nothing so as not to incriminate himself further, but will any team take him if he refuses to address the issue?
why would he apologies? his stance thus far has been not guilty? that'd be admitting something happened and then they'd probably re-arrest him and charge him.
@@Shard3432 Exactly. He's in the catch 22 of not being able to apologise/admit to anything, while also not being able to deny that was him on the recording. That's untenable for Utd. He's done.
@@Shard3432 trouble is that he IS guilty! Not legally but there's not doubt that it's him on the recording (He would have denied it was him if so). He's let everyone know he's an abuser.
@@damienhughes8823 again, you can't state that with 100% certainty, have you analyzed the recording? also his lawyers will have advised him to say nothing on the subject.
Thanks for the discussion guys. Far too often the conversation shifts to the "how do we do right by the abuser?" It is a ludicrous way to frame the discussion, and as one of you guys said, his freedom alone is more than I am comfortable with. Unfortunately the way the laws are set up in the US and in the UK, it has to be a perfect storm in order for the victim to be fully vindicated and believed, particularly when dealing with someone of status/fame/and or money. Rather than ask what is right for Greenwood, we should be asking how do we do right by the victim. Allowing him to play football in any major league would be gross injustice.
All these virtue signalling fools will want another chance if someone made allegations against them and the case was dropped. The same people spend 24 hours praising Partey all day long.
So whatever ever happened to second chances and redemption, especially if he wasn’t found guilty? Don’t we still seek rehabilitation and redemption even if convicted. This is typical persecution by media again.
This is coming from a Liverpool fan. There's no doubt that he's a fantastic talent... But that has zero impact on what he has done (or at least it should do). If this was someone who had a regular job, then he would be in prison right now. Just think about it this way; if the girl in that video/audio clip was your sister, daughter etc. Would you still be saying that you want him back at your club then?
@Honest Watch Reviews anything could have happened, like genuine new info coming to light - although i dont know what i think, just saying we shouldnt assume. I thought the audio was disgusting and based on that alone i dont want him at utd
He should play. If people say he shouldn't play again, okay, what can he do then? What profession is he permitted to do? At what point does the cancellation justice stop? It would set a better example if they kept him, rehabilitated him etc. We know nothing about the recordings or the truth about what happened. The case was dropped because of 'New evidence' according to the CPS - along with witnesses withdrawing. Everything is speculation. Be careful believing videos and audio without context - remember Amber Heard.
Cristiano, kobe bryant, mike tyson, benzema, been accused with similar accusations. Back at the days social medias not a big deal. They were young, with a lot of money, and now people praise the, adore them as legends. Give a kid a chance, everyone deserves second chance. He's a sniper. And not a alot of them out there . Just sayin.
@@shinebanana4084 I get it. I watch him for the vibes not expert analysis. He's a funny guy. His bad takes and predictions are some of the funniest things he does, that and his hatred of Paul McShane 😂
My virtue signalling geezer in the pinstripes talking about women getting justice. When the same woman who is the victim chooses money and status over justice that's her fault not the systems.
As a United fan, cant wait for Greenwood to lead the line. Don't know wtf KG is on about, the case is dropped, the girl has forgiven him and is back living with him. IF SHE DOESN'T CARE, WHY SHOULD WE?
Guys, there was no debate here. It was just a bunch of guys reaffirming their beliefs to each other. The boy hasn't been convicted, the police investigated thoroughly...and you can be sure that they investigated thoroughly becoz they wanted nothing more than to convict mason...they interviewed hundreds of friends, neighbours, parents and relatives...and they failed to get any of them to testify to this supposed abusive relationship. You keep saying you heard the clips...you heard a fraction of what happened. You cant get the full story from clips. The girl herself has refused to testify...her parents refused but you guys who were not there have concluded that he should never play again. Crazy mindset. The boy should be allowed to play again for manutd
Worst panel discussion...please learn from mark goldbridge and have a balanced argument.. the panel behaves as if they are the law.. if you have issue give up your citizenship of the country because your countries justice system has failed you
In this country innocent until proven guilty is a thing. No dog in the fight. If the police can't prove an allegation then what crime has been committed
Maybe people shouldn't be allowed to comment on topics like this. None of you have seen the 'new material that came to light' during the investigation, so it's not correct to cast judgement. That is for the Police and the Court system who have decided that the matter is over.
The thing is it’s either all ok or none is ok. Technically he’s innocent and we had Alonso running around for years as a convicted murderer. Like cmon can’t just pick and choose when it’s ok
There's more to it people turn to look oneside when dealing with these issues Ronaldo was eventually cleared Mandy has 8 charges dropped To accuse someone does not mean you are not guilty yourself
Why people are talking about morale? Was there a moral in Qatar hosting the World cup after what they did to the emigrant workers and how many people died during the construction of the stadiums? Did anyone check the Saudi Arabian money that go through Newcastle ? C'mon lads, don't say anything about morale! If you don't want to see him playing for Man Utd just don't watch MU -> nobody cares if you don't watch MU!
He shouldn't. But will other teams share our morals? Whoever he signs for is gonna get a ridiculous talent. Having said that I don't think any prem teams would dare go for him and nor would any of the top teams in Europe
'The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it had a "duty to stop the case" following the "withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light".' More details of this need to be released before anyone makes their mind up.
Not when you represent Manchester Utd or any other global team/organisation.....The damage to reputation, and embarassment to sponsors etc would be massive and costly. Also, could have a very disruptive effect on the team and staff etc. He has go, and it made public that they do not condone anyone bringing Manchester Utd into disrepute. Plenty of other good,professional players out there, to replace.
@@g.g.6362 But he isnt guilty? Audio recordings dont have power in the court of law for a reason. If they should ruin a guys a career then are you saying the law is wrong not to give power to audio recordings?
@extreme He is guilty of the accusations, but not in Court,as I am guessing She has refused to give evidence....There's audio,photographic and video proof of some of his actions....And the whole World knows what he has done. No place for him at Utd as it will continue to damage the Club in many ways.
@@g.g.6362 You act like the court hasn't seen them? New stuff came to light, meaning more evidence. Not saying Mason is innocent but he's legally free.
@Ken Yes they've seen them....but witnesses refusing to stand in Court and give evidence means no case, and not, no crime or offence. Utd need to distance themselves from this,and protect their image and assets.
Can't stand this arsenal guy, Geordie get rid of him, greenwood's innocent that's it , he hasn't payed anything literally the case is closed because the judge said load of rubbish essentially, people forget about these young women clout chasing, he's just a 20 year old , get him back playing he'll be fine.
There are players who have continued their careers who have been involved in similar situations to greenwoods .the public have been privy to the seemingly gory details which has magnified it .presuming the public are not enlightened on what this new material has come to light that has meant his charges have been dropped i think he deserves the opportunity to get on with his life and his career as a footballer although he will need a thick skin to do that with the abuse that he will be targeted with .
mutually agreed would require a £25m exchange, he's legally innocent man united have no basis to fire him or push a termination. He'll just see the 2 yrs of his contract out.
@@XavierJAlexander lol what, prove it. he's not guilty of ANY charge, they have no basis of gross misconduct, anyone who has studied 1st semester of law would know that.
@@olela6018 hes brought the club into disrepute with his actions, now that the courts aren't involved they can review the vids, pics and audio themselves and render their own decision. He won't have a legal basis to challenge it.
Comedy having a Newcastle fan trying to take the moral high ground here when the owners of his club rule over one of the most repressive and violent societies towards women in the world...
We've spent 200m on RWs and also about to spend 100m on a striker all to replace what this kid brought to the team. Still don't think we have successfully replaced him
The arsenal fan pissed me off tbh ,he acts as if men are the only perpetrators and women are all victims ,in this case it applies but there are alot of other cases of women being the perpetrators and women defending said woman perpertraitor ,in the UK for example if a man is raped he won't be able to get her arrested for rape as the UK law system doesn't include men when talking about rape victims etc ,and to act like "men try to protect men that rape etc " just isn't true at all ,people try to protect famous people ,if he said that then it would stand but to openly assume a whole group does something is problematic,also you should search up Brian banks ,he did 5 years in prison for a false accusation and never got compensated
Why didn’t you guys do a video about Thomas Partey on this? Accused of the same crime with text as proof “from the horses mouth” and he’s been playing like it never happened. I don’t understand why one story can’t stay out of the media and the other can’t get In it
@@liamfred9011 yes there was, there was a technicality of when it happened and law changes from England to the country the crime happened In. She did try to seek justice, then felt she couldn’t get it and took the money.
He's legally free.he went through due process .we don't know what kinky games people do behind closed door and especially to create stardom for others.the CPS must have evidence leaning towards foul play and especially on the females side which they have more or less stated as to why a prosecution would not be possible.hes a superstar, homegrown and man utd would be stupid to listen to others,they would all keep him or buy him later on and then we will have to buy him again like pogba..all these football fans are feminist now man utd have their prodigy back and are near the top end without him..let the fans boo him or something,but don't get rid of him
The self-righteousness is just appalling. You guys do not have a say in this. United should give him a chance. He can get help while playing for United.
He’s back with the bird. For all we know, it was a back and forth Barney and she released that to be vindictive. Knowing that he’s a dickhead when wound up, but would never act upon it. So, he may have anger issues but nothing else. I’m not saying this is the case, but it might be.
Unfortunately that’s just the case with many abusive relationships, the victim usually doesn’t feel like they can/should get out. But the pics of bruises and audio of him forcing himself onto her clearly shows he will cross boundaries. The big problem is, is that it’s likely only a matter of time before someone else becomes a victim.
@@KooKenjiClips If the victim forgives him then the public should especialy if he isnt found guilty like in this instance. if you have a problem with that then complain to the authoities why audio recordings dont have much power in the court of law but you cant because they dont for a reason so dont judge him for it.
I was expecting the comments that KG raised to be raised by True Geordie(Not saying he didnt point out those, he did to be fair). Different cases which might not be same, but I remember when he was taking heat during his Andrew Tate battle, and it will be cruel for us to keep raising such things and label him all that. So big-up KG, the kid shouldnt play for United, but he should be able to play again. Lets not be judge Jury and Executioner.. We allowed CR7 to play, regardless of the dark cloud that was above him, We have Thomas Partey songs we dance to and rate the guy and all but he has a dark past. Lets keep the same energy, we have the legal system for a reason.
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the answer is no. he should not
Why not
@@BigSoulja69 just cause charges were dropped does not mean he’s innocent. Photographic and audio evidence prove he’s blatantly guilty. if he plays for united again it’s an example of the club condoning this behavior
@@danielsachs-amrami9919 the audio one is pointless,
@@ethanpownall7892 none of its pointless, he’s a wankstain of human being
@@danielsachs-amrami9919Whikst i’m of the opinion that the voice recording is pretty damning, we really don’t know. Pictures can be easily faked, and the audio could be but I don’t know. It probably did happen but we as observers can’t be 100% sure. I also find it weird that her dad said he’s a nice bloke after that happening allegedly to his own daughter.
Rehabilitation doesn't just mean ignoring it happened and getting on with it. It means paying for what you've done, acknowleging it and learning from it via atonement.
Exactly. Some rapists in theory could be rehabilitated however that means they need to serve a lengthy amount of time in prison at the bare minimum and also coming with acknowledging that what they did was wrong and why it was wrong
Greenwood looks like he'll never spend a day in prison so the issue of rehabilitation isn't relevant here
@@fivestarman5130 not being a RUclips bellend and arguing for the sake of it, but having seen the prison system first hand please don't assume that going to prison equals genuine rehab. Time can be easily wasted in jails unless the person is driven to rehab. A forced course could be more beneficial than jail time
What if he releases footage of her assaulting him? What if the lady has forgiven him? Rehab? sick of they girly boys not accepting the law. Let everyone move on. Thank God these eeediots are not judges or in the police. True gerodie is known for making lewd moves over the internet and being a racist should no this best!!! The truth is not always that simple especially I'm cases that are with toxic relationships. Definitely Greenwood needs punishing and help. 2 year delay reputation damage etc is enough as it is. Who are we to judge. I think the two kids are actually back together.
He knows and should no even close to thinking of behaving in that way he will be buried in his career and in jail.
Or in this case nothing because as of now innocent .
what nonsense. the guy has literally been proven innocent based on the entire body of evidence available to Manchester Police and not just one rogue clip on RUclips. Social Media acts like its judge and jury.
Ronaldo payed the woman who accused him of rape 300k,case dismissed because of lawyer misconduct yet he continued playing like it was nothing
People forget with time
@@rashidazzan35 two week memory.
@@rashidazzan35 or women just lie
@@yousefehab4883 True women lie alot of times and it is pure hatred for United, anything that comes from United they will hate no to the bone
says more about the tart who's more concrned with money than justice
The club I support from my country in South America recently went through a similar situation in which a player who is one of our own, ended up doing something unacceptable. The club immediately terminated his contract no matter if he meant to do it or not, even if he was one of our best players. Just having someone with those kind of allegations brings down the reputation of the club.
Greenwood wasnt found guilty he was
I agree. You can't have your business or football club associated with these types of things
@@franklingoodwinso you agree Arsenal should immediately terminate Thomas Partey’s contract then?
@@200779pd why what happened
@@franklingoodwin you don’t have any morality in football
I really do believe that the majority of fans in the stadium would forget/accept Greenwood back after he'd played a good season or two. Football fans are very fickle.
Replace "football fans" with "people"
Some things are just unacceptable, this is one of them. I never want to see him in utd kit again
@@shapeshifter7676 Marcos Alonso literally killed someone and Chelsea fans got over it.
@@digitalguluv2678people care about their morals less when it comes to the team they support.
Didnt the girl her self forgive him? I mean she is the victim here guys not the fucking fans. Not only that but i hear rumours they are back together.Should Maso Greenwood be stained for life? Murderers get to complete their sentence and get on with life so why shouldnt Mason when he isnt even guilty in the court of law. If you have a problem with that he isnt convicted then maybe go make a petition for audiotapes to have more power in the court of law but you cant because they dont for a reason.
Geordie is right, this is probably the only place a young football fan will hear important conversations like this one
Gary Neville will sign him up asap for Salford! Or some team in Saudi Arabia would love to have him
Why would a team in sa love to have him?
@@darknessally this guy is clearly racist and thinks Saudis accept rape, which is not true
@@darknessally big name for cheap.
@@darknessally (they’re rapists)
@@crunch1495 like they care about cheap lol sa team would never touch that man
Just a reminder that Marcos Alonso literally killed a woman and he still played 212 games for Chelsea and he's probably going to be a La Liga winner now.
It was a car accident bruh
@@doddojr3556 "Accident". He was driving 113 km/h in a 50 km/h zone in rain. He was also drunk.
the obvious answer is no, what happened to the no dickhead policy the club was trying to implement?
Why do I feel like this is a jab at Ronaldo ?
@@Pabloess07 wasn’t even thinking about him but cheers
@Ardashir Shah 😂😂😂
@@ardashirshah7786just stop with this absolute rubbish, deepfake technology is nowhere near that developed nowadays anyway, it’s easy to tell a deepfake
@@ardashirshah7786 nobody cares about the talent he has, everyone saying it’d be a disgrace to bring him back would still be saying it if it was Phil Jones who was in this trouble.
Man Utd male fan of over 50 years here. I completely agree. If he pulls on the sacred red shirt again, i will seriously consider if this is the club i want to continue supporting. I know what i saw and heard with my own eyes. We need to show support for this, and other girls. I have been villified by other United fans, who would sacrifice morality for club success. It's disgusting they feel this way. This is way more important than football. I have heard that the other current players don't want him back, and i believe ETH will make the right decision. He's made great ones so far!
Dear Bigfoot: *Would SM/BD "revenge" videos, be held, as evidence,* by the female knaves looking to rape the golden goose? ---------------------------------- If Manchester United doesn't play Greenwood, then they shouldn't sell the club to the Sharia law Sheiks, who represent the sentiments that will shake and *sully* the sanctimonious souls on Stretford End's sacred soil.
Point of fact: The charges being dropped (probably due to a behind the scenes deal) is NOT the same as being found not guilty.
Exactly, glad someone said it.
But I don’t understand?
If they excepted money, what does that tell you about them ?
Also doesn’t mean he’s guilty either
@@RDKID it means that they feel money is compensation enough for what they went through. You wouldn’t say this about a stab victim, it’s crazy how victims of sexual Assualt are judged no matter what they do. A lot of victims aren’t mentally strong enough to go through a trial, imagine millions of people criticising you & ripping apart your testimony online. You would take that money too
Wow, that was so stupid and dumb. You, who wrote this are innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's known as the fundamental tenet of western civilization. If you are game, I'll accuse you of a crime, and you will have to prove you are innocent. You don't have to be found not guilty, its for them to make a case, and if you didn'y hear what the CPS said when they dropped the case, "new evidence has emerged". Figure that out. I swear, the world is getting dumber and less critical by the day.
PS: (probably due to a behind the scenes deal), please prove.
There are people who owns football clubs who have done worse but you don't have the same moral approach towards them.
The world ain't perfect... I struggle to understand why Manchester United is held to a different standard
Crazy how everyone forgets how David De Gea went through almost the exact same situation at Mason Greenwoods age yet not 1 person cares anymore now he's been successful.
Was he filmed in the same way?
@@collydub1987 So what they've done isn't relevant is what you're trying to say? It's whether it was filmed or not?
@@ILKILO1the point is. This happens all the time, charges are dropped and hush money happens but no one will ever forget the audio or the pictures that were released. It is the clearest evidence I’ve ever seen.
@@siraajuddin736
Evidence of what exactly? Can you take us through the sequence of events that you know happened due to a short audio clip and a photograph of a girl with what appears to be blood on her lip?
Kudos to you guys. Lovely to hear people stating what is morally right rather than trying to claim he’s now innocent and should be allowed to play football again. Her recording of him demonstrated how vile he really is.
Dear Tracy BB: Expression of anger caught on tape would have many who are only guilty of not controlling their emotions in hot water in a cold situation.
*Would SM/BD revenge videos be held, as evidence,* by the female knaves looking to rape the golden goose?
Only deluded people claim he's "innocent". The only thing that annoys me is hearing Assnal fans burying their heads about Partey, but wanting to jump on this. Or Chelsea fans ignoring the situation with Marcos Alonso and doing the same.
Wow, I listened to it and all it was was a spoilt desperate guy begging for sex. A bit like the cliche of women wanting some on a Saturday night whilst Match of the Day is on. He is pleading and eventually give up and says, "get off me". When people call others "vile", in psychology, it's called projection. Meaning that it is you that is vile, think about that.
@@Itsthecreative Only deluded people think they know more than the CPS who say "new evidence has emerged" and ignore it.
Crazy how everyone forgets how David De Gea went through almost the exact same situation at Mason Greenwoods age yet not 1 person cares anymore now he's been successful.
I know what my eyes have seen and ears have heard.
No you don’t.
You heard a small segment of a hacked audio file.
@@danielberry4765 You know it was hacked? I don't think you do
@@danielberry4765 hacked 😂
@@franklingoodwin
Yes.
It was hacked.
@@danielberry4765 fcking grow up bro. He's clearly guilty as fck.
Short answer: NO
Long answer: No he shouldn't
@Ardashir Shah Key witness refused to give evidence, if they did he would be in the Dock. Hardly proof of innocence.
@Ardashir Shah If there was not enough evidence they would not have charged him, they only charge people if they think they have a good chance of conviction otherwise it's a waste of public money,but if people refuse to give that evidence in court there is nothing they can do.
@@Lee-nv2rgread the CPS statement. In addition to her withdrawing her co-operation, new evidence also emerged which cast further doubt on his guilt. Your type conveniently ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda
We going to ignore thomas parteys case then yet he plays
They’re is no evidence Partey did anything , We’ve all seen what the scum Greenwood did
There is no proof whatsoever. Use your brain. Not every allegation should warrant immediate ramifications. The Greenwood case is entirely different
What did he do actually?
@@unluckygamer8821 we saw the texts, partey admitted it
@@damosapien but we don’t even know it’s him .
Unpopular opinion: There’s not enough information to accurately judge this situation.
As for Man United, it would be a PR disaster if he shows up next season playing for the club.
I think the audio recording is enough information lad
@@mathewholman927 tell Johnny Depp that
@@_e5598 The audio recording worked in his (the victim) favour. Same with the Greenwood recording, it works in the victim's favour.
@@mathewholman927 not all of the recordings that were in the media before the trial. Short memories on you lot and I'm honestly shocked how much the mob is certain of his guilt.
I heard and saw all I needed grow a backbone you sop he's a rapist and should never play football again!
I love how everyone knew to tell TG "No jokes" before he even started
KG*
@@arshanslm well, he is sure is cagey about it now
Thats Koulibaly's Grandad
ifykyk
@@hectorsalamanca2961 idk bro 😭
@@lewisdewhurst1217 check out @KGthacomedian on youtube. The guy is funny. Also a cast member of Ted Lasso
Well done the kick off for actually having the balls to speak about this. The fact it’s even a debate for people to say he should play football again is crazy
Yes agree 100% of course he has to play again - no conviction and a serious talent
He's not been convicted so of course he should be playing
Technically he’s never been charged of anything 😂 why shouldn’t he be allowed to play football again? There’s been plenty of footballers who have been under investigation of rape and assault and still carried on playing. Allot are calling one of those footballers the goat!
@@daylebacchus5395 totally agree if he was a postman he’d be back delivering the post
@@Thailandfc24 Yh it should be down to clubs. It’s whether they can morally choose whether to sign him. It’s not for us or the leagues to say whether he can or cannot play
He won’t return for a couple of reasons;
1) the man United women’s team have publically stated they’d feel extremely gutted and disappointed if Greenwood were to play for United again. So the players have an issue with his return.
2) The United sponsors won’t want their image tarnished by the Greenwood case, which ultimately has a huge impact on the financial backing of the club. Considering United is run like a business it’s hard to believe that they would overlook their sponsor’s preference.
I’m a United fan and I just think it’s a massive shame. A kid with so much talent has ruined his future. Yet, his talent doesn’t outweigh his unforgivable actions.
Er, it does actually, because nothing was proven against him. United's loss is Marseille's gain
You’re absolutely right on the burden of proof. CPS had a key witness back out, can’t proceed, but United can and absolutely should play that clip and say to him “Nope, off you go”. Every sane person who has heard that clip should be saying the same
According to CPS there was new Materials coming to light.
Maybe it was new evidence?
Maybe she extorted Mason with fake Photos?
Maybe she liked the 50 shades of Grey way?
Maybe she said in that clip "stick it in" ?
Maybe she recorded him to extort him?
No you have only seen one story and thats it.
There is always two sides.
All we heard is a clip. It's a very damning clip but it's just a voice recording. It's no real proof of anything without context or further evidence.
The pictures of her bruises were even more damning and worrying, but somehow her dad was seen to be calming and restricting her at the time and speaking quite fondly of Mason and now she's back with him.
There must be more to this that we don't know, and therefore can't take into account. She clearly hasn't taken herself seriously as a victim and didn't take him seriously as a criminal. And stopped the courts being able to take him seriously as a potential criminal.
Anybody who is logical would be able to see that. I had the emotional reaction like everybody else but we've had months and months to think logically now.
@@DirtyJamesUK stop protecting a rapist. the clip is clear she says no and he says he doesnt care.
This was a good discussion to have and I'm glad the panel had a lot of good perspectives on a very dark topic.
The fact that no one kicked up a storm when Marcos Alonso literally got a woman killed is mind boggling to me. Greenwood should be able to atone for whatever he has commited. It might not be what people want to see, but second chances seem to be a foreign concept nowadays. Imagine TG had to have all his social media accounts banned after his disgusting "jokes". In no way do i condone any violence against women, but as a society, we seemed to destroy people before they can even attempt to change.
Whataboutery at its finest. You're such a wallad. What does Alonso have to do with this?
Facts
You can’t compare someone making offensive jokes to what greenwood did. You’re an absolute scumbag.
We need the same energy for Thomas partey who’s got bail for the 3rd time
Ah, so he was the mystery footballer arrested. Just reading up on it now.
@@finfog4590 He hasn't been named by either the police or in the press. If you had read up you'd know that
@@franklingoodwin chill out
@@danielcalvin1497 Why? People are acting like they actually care and are point scoring. They'll defend Greenwood by saying what about Partey. Partey hasnt been named by the police
@@franklingoodwin neither has mason greenwood though. All police statements say ‘21 year old male’. It was only United suspending him and the evidence posted that told everyone. I’m not defending him at all I think he’s a twat but mendy and greenwood have been publicised but partey and bissouma still play
I expected an ugly debate that doesn't take this case seriously from the kickoff and I'm surprised that the new guys actually took this seriously and said the truth and how our justice system continues to fail us.
Haven't watched the video yet, but respect to Geordie for treading this topic, given what has happened to him recently, not sure many would take that risk under the circumstances
whats the risk? he hardly said anything
issue with the kick off is total lack of discussion - its just everyone saying their own opinion one after another, not one person was asked to expand on something they said or was responded to directly.
My work colleague is a man utd fan and the day he heard not guilty he said yes we can finally get a our good player back playing 🤦🏻
Dear Duggy: Dubious. Where did he hear "not guilty"?
We are hearing Greenwood's case dropped: Innocent.
The reason you know he has done something, is because she mysteriously withdrew her statement and that's it. If he was innocent, they would counter sue for defamation as this will have a significant impact on his career. The reason he hasn't is because they have come to a settlement agreement.. ie, how much do I need to pay you to shut up and never bring it up again. Settlement agreements and withdrawn statements should have much more scrutinity because it is just a perversion of justice.
Charges dropped doesnt mean innocence he shouldn't be allowed on a pitch ever again
charges dropped does not mean guilty either mate.
Doesn't mean guilty either so what are you punishing him for?
was she PAID OFF?
@MAG DEBATES who knows... it could be herself not wanting to press charges. It is not that strange for victims to have feelings or empathy towards abusers.
I could be completely wrong, we just dont have all the actual information to make statements
Charges dropped doesn’t equal guilty does it tho
People need to get off their soap boxes about Mason Greenwood. Nobody knows why the charges were dropped but everyone is assuming she's been paid off. Maybe one day she'll speak about it publicly, maybe one day we'll find out why the charges were dropped. The one fact we do know is that witnesses aren't necessary for a prosecution to occur. Even the victim themselves doesn't have to press charges for the CPS to take the case to court. There's far more significance to the new evidence that's come to light than anything else but everyone is ignoring that. Also, rival fans acting like they care about this morally. Most of them would change their tune if Greenwood became a fre agent and signed for their clubs. KG is the only person trying to be rational here. The rest are disgusting
btw, just for clarification. The club are doing their own investigation. If they find him guilty, he should never play for United again and I trust their judgement on the matter. Like Brian says, they're not beholden to technicalities in the law and can sack him for bringing the club into disrepute . If that happens, we'll know the truth. Until then, everyone needs to let the process take its course and stop making wild assumptions. For all we know, the audio could be completely fake. Everyone's acting like ElevenLabs doesn't exist. Not saying that's it but there's as much validity in me claiming that's what happened as there is any of the other nonsense people are saying. Nobody knows anything
Should Partey play?
Unless you can show pictures or audios like we can with greenwood then yes, can you though? Didn’t think so, shh 🤡
@@allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284 so he is safe because the lady didn't record?
@@justrandom2871Sadly yes. The reason why Greenwood shouldn’t play is because we have enough evidence to say so. Most people aren’t just going off of her accusations but the recordings are solid proof for most people.
In a better world, we would have a lie detector to be able to see whether someone is guilty or not. Sadly, we don’t know if Partey is guilty or not.
@@justrandom2871 sadly yes. It’s obvious he did do that but the lack of the same evidence that Greenwood had put in the public domain means he’ll get away with it
Honestly - no. He got off one rape on a technicality (similar to greenwood. Only greenwood looks like he's paid his way out of it which Partey didn't need to do due to the law change). Still has 2 counts he's on bail for I think that the police are still investigating. Any other club they are suspending him. Arsenal... nah...
Edgar Alan poe said " believe nothing you hear and half of what you see".
So we as a society just pick & choose if we accept the judge's decision?
its not gone court the charges have been dropped
@@pauljones8218 I know. The outcome of the investigation I'll say then
There’s more United fans who don’t want to see him anywhere near the club again than who do. But of course you only mention the ones who would happily see him back
No not really mark goldbridge done a poll keep or sell and mason won by a landslide. Me I want him to play, he’s a black man who’s alleged raped a white woman if he was guilty he be behind bars for less
This whole situation, and that's what you're offended by, have some shame.
Your delusional if you think this,majority of Manchester Fans want him back. Maybe you should be more specific to those in the UK
@@LoftusBlake any Manchester United fan who deserves to breath wouldn't want him near the club again
@@dansomething7742 just another emotional response
This conversation is one-sided
The situation hinges on the context of the evidence released to the public. It’s all well and good making judgements based on the pics and audio but we MUST know what other evidence came up in the investigation before coming to concrete conclusions. If it happens that there was hacking involved and there is context to provide (role playing etc) then it’s only fair this comes out for everyone’s sake. If this evidence doesn’t exist then you can only go by what’s there and someone with that attached to their name should not be playing for the club but everyone deserves the right to defend themselves and we as fans deserve to know the truth.
Your comment is full of too much sense
Exactly. People are too quick to pick a side. An acceptable response to this stuff is “I want cast judgment yet I’ll wait to see the evidence”.
This new material that has come about could be a text from her, or a secret recording of her saying “I’m going to accuse him of rape and beating me so I get money”.
Could literally be that, we don’t know. So let’s not cast judgments before we know the evidence.
@@bradley4706 💯 no one knows, as I seen in another comment everyone quick to forget the amber Heard case
another golddiging tart
@@karazor-el9596 maybe, but no evidence yet. Wait for the evidence.
your respect means nothing to us dawg, your respect doesn't pay the players of Man united.
I'm not trying to defend him but what I will say is for as much information as we have compared to other similar cases, we have very little information of what happened. The truth is that we don't know why the case got dropped. And the only thing we do know about the case is the stuff that was posted in the beginning. This case has been ongoing for a full year and we don't know anything that's happened during that time.
Innocent until proven guilty. End of story
@@Samialexchak doesn’t work in this case. Blatantly had the charges dropped because she’s back with him or they settled out of court. Really not hard to get your head around
@@ljcm1750 they stated also new evidence came to the table.
Exactly. We're in dangerous times now that we have men advocating for other men to be punished even though they weren't proven guilty.
I agree consent must be given.
But if she's your girlfriend, you're committed to her, I believe it's her duty.
JUST LIKE it's a man's duty to physically protect her.
So men are expected to defend his women with his life, but his woman can hold him hostage of sex? How's that balanced or fair?
He should be punished if proven guilty. But I also think it's slimey af for her to feign not wanting sex on order to capture a recording of him appearance to r@pe her.
What man immediately says "ok that's fine" when his girl says she doesn't want sex? You're gonna push at least a little bit.
ETH benched rashford for being late, the guy's standards for ethical and upright conduct are high.
Should leave it to professional people as the investigation team, lawyers and wise counseling services have done there job. Let's move forward with forgiveness and hope
I don’t understand how you can make an apology video for your last blunder begging for a second chance and don’t even give the slightest bit of that same energy towards this guy
The thing people are missing out on here is she said she didn't post or leak them and didn't want to. She also didn't want to press charges this was all done. Surely if the victim's wishes matter here not the public.
Wtaf? The true Geordie is in NO position to debate this issue??? Wtaf? RUclips shut this guy down
Simple uneducated guys….. Amber Herd had recordings !
You literally think the police and CPS are covering it up because he’s rich 🤦🏼♂️
If I was Mason Greenwood I’d sue you ….
I hope he does as you’ll be paying out big bucks and apologising publicly!
Im a united fan, sack him, no welcome back, if he plays for us again i will go to the game and boo him and i think most of the stadium will aswell
We can't live in a world where we don't give people a second chance.
Imagine what would've happened to Chris Brown with the Rihanna issue if their situation happened recently. People would've fought to cancel him and make sure he never releases music again. These days people feel like you should cease to exist if you did something terrible.
@@TheDreamchaser2016: Rihanna recovered well. She'll be at the Superbowl.
He already does. Just not at a club like United
Most people asking for Greenwoods head are not United fans so there's a level of Rivalry...
The so-called evidence to a Trained eye is far from conclusive. And very convenient.
If a lady is Beaten to the point of massive injuries.... You walk straight to the police station... You don take pictures
In China.
Suarez is not racist
Let's all remember robinho is still playing football.....and he was charged with much worse things
Convicted and tried to be extradited.
Isn't he currently in prison
The girl stayed with Greenwood and is even pregnant by him, the father spoke sympathetically about Greenwood, and the case got dropped. If the girl thought she was treated unjustly, she shouldn't stay with him.
Anything else related to Greenwood's personal life is irrelevant. I'm all for it if Man United decide that Greenwood should play again. 🔚
expected from united fans to defend a rapist
Money talks
Serious question for those who say no in absolute terms - so what happens to him? Because if you think him doing what he has been accused of doing makes him not good enough for Man Utd, then he shouldn't be good enough for any enterprise, right? Because why should any other business have different moral standards to Man Utd?
So does that mean, people in his position should all just be abandoned?
He's a multi-millionaire already, he quite clearly has no shame but if he did, it'd be smart for him to live his life in private with his millions and hear nothing from him again.
@@tomzknight7412 Fair, but he's also only 21. He was a teenager when he did what he did. That's not an excuse but my question wasn't limited to just him. I don't think he in particular should ever play professional football.
Buy my question wasn't limited to him. When kids make a mistake, and he for example was at the club since he was six. The coaches at the academy have had a major role in his upbringing and not just his football, not that they should take any responsibility for what he has allegedly done, but you can't be mad if they wanted to help him do better as a man and helped him through this period. If there is penance for what he did, there should also be a path for redemption is what I'm saying.
Now, this guy hasn't actually owned up to his mistake yet, and has had no penance for what he did. So you can't make that argument for him now, but people act like 1 bad episode in life should just end it.
@@amrithbharadwaj4945 I see your point. For me anyway Greenwood should've admitted to what he did and faced the necessary punishment. Then after he served his term I fully believe he deserves a second chance in life if he's willing to change, however he's not going to apologise as it would be an admission of guilt so until he apologises, he deserves nothing from anyone and it's his problem in my opinion.
@@tomzknight7412 why should he admit if he's innocent?
it's not even an accusation at this point. there's literal video evidence.
Funny how certain people on this panel forget they've had 2nd chances in life for nasty things they have done, but they won't entertain that Greenwood (who was thrusted into the limelight at a young age) can be re-educated and change his immature attitude.
As KG says his whole upbringing has to be brought in to question. No one is ignoring what happened, but there should be a chance to rehabilatate himself for wrongs he has done. Then possibly in time after attending therapy or counseling, either as a condition of probation he could become an advocate against domestic violence. Taking responsibility for his actions and making a sustained effort to change behavior.
She didn’t want justice. She dropped the charges. For whatever reason, she wants to be with him more than she wants to see him punished. It’s sad, but it’s her call.
If he could do it to her he could do it to another, it's not just her call
Yeah it’s her call to forgive him but he shouldn’t play football again
Yes, if you punish Greenwood, you'll punish her as well
@@QuickxScopexKing that’s true. But without solid enough evidence for the cps to convict, then it’s in her hands.
You seriously don't understand how many works, do ya?
Jesus can't you let people speak? What a mess of a podcast/watchalong.
If you are asking about "rehabilitation", whats important for society now that he is free of charges, is that this doesn't happen again.
As for punishment, this lad has been outed to the whole world through social media. Five years in prison is nothing to that.
There is no point stopping him from playing football, the point has to be to stop him from treating women badly again.
That being said, the best for all parties included is if he goes abroad with his career. Both for him, for Man Utd, and for the girl he was accused of mistreating.
Thanks for this conversation. As a Utd fan I've been pulling my hair out with my mates and other supporters feeling like I had a minority opinion on Greenwood. He should be gone. I think it's clear he can't play in England anymore. One thing is for sure though - He'll have a lot of suitors in Europe and beyond. Question for the England team if he continues to play at a high level - Questions will keep coming up - Is Greenwood coming back? One thing is for sure - The guy isn't going to go anywhere unless he starts to make right - He hasn't even apologised yet!!! I'm sure he's been advised to say nothing so as not to incriminate himself further, but will any team take him if he refuses to address the issue?
why would he apologies? his stance thus far has been not guilty? that'd be admitting something happened and then they'd probably re-arrest him and charge him.
@@Shard3432 Exactly. He's in the catch 22 of not being able to apologise/admit to anything, while also not being able to deny that was him on the recording. That's untenable for Utd. He's done.
@@damienhughes8823 he's done at united for sure, shame really as I'm a believer in innocent till proven guilty.
@@Shard3432 trouble is that he IS guilty! Not legally but there's not doubt that it's him on the recording (He would have denied it was him if so). He's let everyone know he's an abuser.
@@damienhughes8823 again, you can't state that with 100% certainty, have you analyzed the recording?
also his lawyers will have advised him to say nothing on the subject.
I'll encourage my entire following to stop supporting the club if this abusive kid ever sets foot in Man Utd.
Thanks for the discussion guys. Far too often the conversation shifts to the "how do we do right by the abuser?" It is a ludicrous way to frame the discussion, and as one of you guys said, his freedom alone is more than I am comfortable with. Unfortunately the way the laws are set up in the US and in the UK, it has to be a perfect storm in order for the victim to be fully vindicated and believed, particularly when dealing with someone of status/fame/and or money. Rather than ask what is right for Greenwood, we should be asking how do we do right by the victim. Allowing him to play football in any major league would be gross injustice.
All these virtue signalling fools will want another chance if someone made allegations against them and the case was dropped. The same people spend 24 hours praising Partey all day long.
So whatever ever happened to second chances and redemption, especially if he wasn’t found guilty? Don’t we still seek rehabilitation and redemption even if convicted. This is typical persecution by media again.
This is coming from a Liverpool fan. There's no doubt that he's a fantastic talent... But that has zero impact on what he has done (or at least it should do). If this was someone who had a regular job, then he would be in prison right now. Just think about it this way; if the girl in that video/audio clip was your sister, daughter etc. Would you still be saying that you want him back at your club then?
He wouldn't be in prison because the case was dropped..
@@samuel-ux4gy We all know that the case was probably dropped due to money or something like that. The evidence is there for everyone to see/hear.
@Honest Watch Reviews possibly, but thats an assumption u are making
@@samuel-ux4gy Something dodgy has gone on for him to not be charged. You must agree with that if you've seen the video/audio.
@Honest Watch Reviews anything could have happened, like genuine new info coming to light - although i dont know what i think, just saying we shouldnt assume. I thought the audio was disgusting and based on that alone i dont want him at utd
He should play. If people say he shouldn't play again, okay, what can he do then? What profession is he permitted to do? At what point does the cancellation justice stop?
It would set a better example if they kept him, rehabilitated him etc. We know nothing about the recordings or the truth about what happened. The case was dropped because of 'New evidence' according to the CPS - along with witnesses withdrawing. Everything is speculation. Be careful believing videos and audio without context - remember Amber Heard.
Actually so good to hear men talking like this. Thank you for putting this video out.
Cristiano, kobe bryant, mike tyson, benzema, been accused with similar accusations.
Back at the days social medias not a big deal.
They were young, with a lot of money, and now people praise the, adore them as legends.
Give a kid a chance, everyone deserves second chance.
He's a sniper. And not a alot of them out there . Just sayin.
Did you hear the audios?
Irish Guy is a legend, delighted seeing him here
Him not knowing anything about football, he should fit in well 😂 He is a legend though, just not for his bad football takes
@@franklingoodwin the irish guy is not trying to claim to be some football genius, so he is not as unbearable as lot of football youtubers
@@shinebanana4084 I get it. I watch him for the vibes not expert analysis.
He's a funny guy. His bad takes and predictions are some of the funniest things he does, that and his hatred of Paul McShane 😂
My virtue signalling geezer in the pinstripes talking about women getting justice. When the same woman who is the victim chooses money and status over justice that's her fault not the systems.
As a United fan, cant wait for Greenwood to lead the line. Don't know wtf KG is on about, the case is dropped, the girl has forgiven him and is back living with him. IF SHE DOESN'T CARE, WHY SHOULD WE?
This is not the way everyone one of us have acted stupid in front of our girlfriend so I heard the video there is nothing out of the ordinary
Here for the Irish guy, great addition to the team
Guys, there was no debate here. It was just a bunch of guys reaffirming their beliefs to each other. The boy hasn't been convicted, the police investigated thoroughly...and you can be sure that they investigated thoroughly becoz they wanted nothing more than to convict mason...they interviewed hundreds of friends, neighbours, parents and relatives...and they failed to get any of them to testify to this supposed abusive relationship. You keep saying you heard the clips...you heard a fraction of what happened. You cant get the full story from clips. The girl herself has refused to testify...her parents refused but you guys who were not there have concluded that he should never play again. Crazy mindset. The boy should be allowed to play again for manutd
I am more for KG's opinion and the way he explaining it
Worst panel discussion...please learn from mark goldbridge and have a balanced argument.. the panel behaves as if they are the law.. if you have issue give up your citizenship of the country because your countries justice system has failed you
Full heart talk from KG. Well said much love bro.
I love KG bro
Ronaldo payed money to a woman after being accused of rape nd pipo still cheered him.give greenwood a second chance
In this country innocent until proven guilty is a thing. No dog in the fight. If the police can't prove an allegation then what crime has been committed
On about her justice when she’s now pregnant with Greenwood’s kid 😂💀
Maybe people shouldn't be allowed to comment on topics like this. None of you have seen the 'new material that came to light' during the investigation, so it's not correct to cast judgement. That is for the Police and the Court system who have decided that the matter is over.
He needs counseling neglecting him right now would make it worse
bro that's what it is...making it seem like his not a person is just demonizing him
@@gooseman1011 we always forget how it's like to be a teenager/young people can't put themselves in being a young person with that much fame
The thing is it’s either all ok or none is ok. Technically he’s innocent and we had Alonso running around for years as a convicted murderer. Like cmon can’t just pick and choose when it’s ok
There’s literally a video of Kareem Hunt (NFL Player) punching a girl and he’s still playing till this day. Greenwood should be allow to play again.
Do you think punching someone is as bad as sexually assaulting them?
Social media judgement, cancel culture smh…. Bloody hypocrites
There's more to it people turn to look oneside when dealing with these issues Ronaldo was eventually cleared Mandy has 8 charges dropped To accuse someone does not mean you are not guilty yourself
Why people are talking about morale? Was there a moral in Qatar hosting the World cup after what they did to the emigrant workers and how many people died during the construction of the stadiums? Did anyone check the Saudi Arabian money that go through Newcastle ? C'mon lads, don't say anything about morale! If you don't want to see him playing for Man Utd just don't watch MU -> nobody cares if you don't watch MU!
He shouldn't. But will other teams share our morals? Whoever he signs for is gonna get a ridiculous talent. Having said that I don't think any prem teams would dare go for him and nor would any of the top teams in Europe
'The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it had a "duty to stop the case" following the "withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light".' More details of this need to be released before anyone makes their mind up.
Everyone deserves a second chance
Not when you represent Manchester Utd or any other global team/organisation.....The damage to reputation, and embarassment to sponsors etc would be massive and costly. Also, could have a very disruptive effect on the team and staff etc. He has go, and it made public that they do not condone anyone bringing Manchester Utd into disrepute. Plenty of other good,professional players out there, to replace.
@@g.g.6362 But he isnt guilty? Audio recordings dont have power in the court of law for a reason. If they should ruin a guys a career then are you saying the law is wrong not to give power to audio recordings?
@extreme He is guilty of the accusations, but not in Court,as I am guessing She has refused to give evidence....There's audio,photographic and video proof of some of his actions....And the whole World knows what he has done. No place for him at Utd as it will continue to damage the Club in many ways.
@@g.g.6362 You act like the court hasn't seen them? New stuff came to light, meaning more evidence. Not saying Mason is innocent but he's legally free.
@Ken Yes they've seen them....but witnesses refusing to stand in Court and give evidence means no case, and not, no crime or offence. Utd need to distance themselves from this,and protect their image and assets.
Can't stand this arsenal guy, Geordie get rid of him, greenwood's innocent that's it , he hasn't payed anything literally the case is closed because the judge said load of rubbish essentially, people forget about these young women clout chasing, he's just a 20 year old , get him back playing he'll be fine.
So you're just refusing to acknowledge the evidence cos you're a weirdo
There are players who have continued their careers who have been involved in similar situations to greenwoods .the public have been privy to the seemingly gory details which has magnified it .presuming the public are not enlightened on what this new material has come to light that has meant his charges have been dropped i think he deserves the opportunity to get on with his life and his career as a footballer although he will need a thick skin to do that with the abuse that he will be targeted with .
Look at ronaldo he got through it pretty quick
All charges were dropped and yet social media still hold the kid as guilt, like wtf. Your telling me these guys know more than the cops?
They had enough to get him in the Dock but can't do that when key witnesses drop out.
They'll come out and say that they've mutually agreed to terminate his contract. Brings too much bad press to the club.
mutually agreed would require a £25m exchange, he's legally innocent man united have no basis to fire him or push a termination. He'll just see the 2 yrs of his contract out.
@@olela6018 25m is a lot less than the money they’ll lose if they back him
@@olela6018 it’s gross misconduct they can easily fire him. Anyone who runs a business knows this.
@@XavierJAlexander lol what, prove it. he's not guilty of ANY charge, they have no basis of gross misconduct, anyone who has studied 1st semester of law would know that.
@@olela6018 hes brought the club into disrepute with his actions, now that the courts aren't involved they can review the vids, pics and audio themselves and render their own decision. He won't have a legal basis to challenge it.
Comedy having a Newcastle fan trying to take the moral high ground here when the owners of his club rule over one of the most repressive and violent societies towards women in the world...
We've spent 200m on RWs and also about to spend 100m on a striker all to replace what this kid brought to the team.
Still don't think we have successfully replaced him
The arsenal fan pissed me off tbh ,he acts as if men are the only perpetrators and women are all victims ,in this case it applies but there are alot of other cases of women being the perpetrators and women defending said woman perpertraitor ,in the UK for example if a man is raped he won't be able to get her arrested for rape as the UK law system doesn't include men when talking about rape victims etc ,and to act like "men try to protect men that rape etc " just isn't true at all ,people try to protect famous people ,if he said that then it would stand but to openly assume a whole group does something is problematic,also you should search up Brian banks ,he did 5 years in prison for a false accusation and never got compensated
Also is it possible that we get a manunited video that's positive
Why didn’t you guys do a video about Thomas Partey on this? Accused of the same crime with text as proof “from the horses mouth” and he’s been playing like it never happened. I don’t understand why one story can’t stay out of the media and the other can’t get In it
Because there's no police investigation of that
@@liamfred9011 yes there was, there was a technicality of when it happened and law changes from England to the country the crime happened In. She did try to seek justice, then felt she couldn’t get it and took the money.
He's legally free.he went through due process .we don't know what kinky games people do behind closed door and especially to create stardom for others.the CPS must have evidence leaning towards foul play and especially on the females side which they have more or less stated as to why a prosecution would not be possible.hes a superstar, homegrown and man utd would be stupid to listen to others,they would all keep him or buy him later on and then we will have to buy him again like pogba..all these football fans are feminist now man utd have their prodigy back and are near the top end without him..let the fans boo him or something,but don't get rid of him
What happened between TG and the rest of the old crew?
TG said something controversial and the rest of the guys separated themselves from TG. They’ve since started their own show.
The self-righteousness is just appalling. You guys do not have a say in this. United should give him a chance. He can get help while playing for United.
He’s back with the bird. For all we know, it was a back and forth Barney and she released that to be vindictive. Knowing that he’s a dickhead when wound up, but would never act upon it. So, he may have anger issues but nothing else. I’m not saying this is the case, but it might be.
Unfortunately that’s just the case with many abusive relationships, the victim usually doesn’t feel like they can/should get out. But the pics of bruises and audio of him forcing himself onto her clearly shows he will cross boundaries. The big problem is, is that it’s likely only a matter of time before someone else becomes a victim.
She also claims she wasn't the one who released the clips
@@KooKenjiClips If the victim forgives him then the public should especialy if he isnt found guilty like in this instance. if you have a problem with that then complain to the authoities why audio recordings dont have much power in the court of law but you cant because they dont for a reason so dont judge him for it.
What’s the point of being called ‘the Red Devils’ if there’s no rapists and murderers in the squad
I was expecting the comments that KG raised to be raised by True Geordie(Not saying he didnt point out those, he did to be fair). Different cases which might not be same, but I remember when he was taking heat during his Andrew Tate battle, and it will be cruel for us to keep raising such things and label him all that. So big-up KG, the kid shouldnt play for United, but he should be able to play again. Lets not be judge Jury and Executioner.. We allowed CR7 to play, regardless of the dark cloud that was above him, We have Thomas Partey songs we dance to and rate the guy and all but he has a dark past. Lets keep the same energy, we have the legal system for a reason.
Nabi kieta was arrested for actual rape!! greenwood was arrested for ATTEMPTED big difference