The Science of Wildfires: Why They're Getting Worse | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2020
- Global satellite data indicate wildfires are becoming bigger and more intense. WSJ talks with NASA’s Doug Morton to understand the science behind what’s making the planet more flammable and making fires harder to control. Noah Berger/Associated Press
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Forgot to mention the fact that indigenous tribes out west used to have contained fires for this very reason till we outlawed it.
yes to expand grazing areas
@Mike Fernandez wth are you talking about? There are dozens of tribes from here.
@@thesavoyard nah dude you need to educate yourself
White American Male umm yes there is and I’m one of them so I think u need to educate ya self🤣
Mike Fernandez Lol I’m an engineer out in Cali and there’s so many native burial grounds that our projects sometimes halt up to half a year to get the Native American tribal clearances that’ll then allows us to build our infrastructures. You have google, I’m pretty sure you can look them up.
Bring back Smokey bear. I grew up believing only I could prevent forest fires and knew to always put out campfires. He taught kids how to prevent fires as grown ups. Kids never forget the catchy slogans they learn early in life.
smokey bear racist.
Jibly Brice totally. He hate brown.... oh wait.
"Only you can stop forest fire"
Me: getting into my car to drive across the country to throw a bucket of water
But they didn’t say stop, they said prevent.
It's only you can PREVENT forest fires
😂😂👏👏
That Koala, my heart
:(
As someone with 2nd degree burns right now, I can't imagine what that koala must have suffered
So true 😢
Good news is that this koala was picked up by a local woman and taken to a koala hospital/sanctuary to be treated 🙂
(The video is somewhere here on YT, sadly I can’t find it at the moment)
@@Shelleybeane he died later
Politicians: “Clearing brush is too expensive and labour intensive”
2018 California Wildfire: is $28 billion in damage too expensive?
Exactly. "It's climate change though!!!" Also add to that that this year's forest fires have produced over 100% CO2 above CA's typically annual output. SMH
@@neomacchio4692 yeah unfortunately there's large demographic in the united states Congress that do not believe climate change is real, or they do but they don't care; the enormous campaign contributions of those big corporate donors from the gas and coal lobbies is more important to them. it was only a few years ago that a united states senator brought a snowball onto the Senate floor as his "proof" that climate change isn't real...that's the kind of people we're dealing with.
Fire itself can limit the spread of other fires. What should be done is not the entire prevention but create a mosaic across the landscape of smaller, more frequent fires. This creates a healthier system - something that the Forest Service told us while making a video on this topic.
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exactly. Had a friend who always said to me that smokey was an idiot with his catchphrase. We need fire to fight fire.
We have these prescribed burnings done in forests or open areas with high fuel loads in Australia during the autumn and winter so that they won’t start burning in the summer. Interestingly enough, aboriginal Australians used to follow this kind of fire management strategy long before European settlers arrived.
Logic.
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Romans 10:9
Proverbs 8:17
I am a tribal from Indian hills..we had been doing this since ages of deliberately controlled burning of our forests to protect unwanted growth and nourishing of plants...ashes is considered a good manure traditionally (idk how scientific that is though)
@JHBL luck the ways of the old are getting lost..we have even lost much indigenous species of vegetables that our grandparents saw last.
Ashes contain lots of nutrients which is good for growing.
Ashes is good for plants. In our country we still use ashes mixed with earth to farm in our gardens. It's the traditional way of farming.
that's amazing! we should be taking notes from the people who have been settled here first. they know the land better than we do.
@@santiagoaurelio3444 for a time we did and for a time we may not have (also considering that no one nation existed in the New world at the time it was essentially a myriad of nation states not too different to Europe in a sense (I also feel that the story that is told about thanksgiving is in some way true let us not forget that the pilgrims were being persecuted based on their religion when they came (Despite the religious tolerance laws at the time) I doubt that they would have wanted to do what England (and or other European nations) did to them in return and another factor during the first settlements built by the pilgrims there was no “Central government” so its entirely likely in one area the pilgrims could have been at war with the natives of the area while in another area they could have gotten along peacefully and
Scientist: this is a danger area
Americans: ight imma build a house there
nothing beats a cheap real state. Well selling that cheap real state with markup and profiting off it beats cheap real state.
WSJ, do you have a link to that timelapse global graphic at the end of the video?
I live in Valle Punilla in Argentina, where we had a lot of wildfires lately to, with slim to none government support
Good, stop having kids
I hope things get better and this ends quickly. Our prayers are with you guys! Stay safe! Saludos desde México!!
great rundown
Can I use this video for my performance task?
Same thing happened here in Australia. I think controlled burns in winter is a good option
Most of Californias forests were cut down. Trees cool down the enviorment
In the winter if 2019 NPWS conducted more controlled burns than in previous years. The fires of 2019-20 burned not only rainforest but areas where controlled burns have been done within the past year. Controlled burns are a part of the mix but there needs to be a new approach to these changing fire behaviours.
The Sixth Extinction has started. Face it. We are the cause of this with our stupid and massive burning of fossil fuels.
Frequent fires in the USA are not optional either, we have to get back to that, Native Americans burned it annually and many tree species cannot even exist without fire including beloved redwoods!
blaming each other doesn't help, we need to work together. the main problem is ourselves.
Indeed. Example; with increased population comes increased resource usage, such as water. Such as ground water. Consider how the water tables across the West are being drawn in such ways that the forests are put under duress at a sub ground level thereby pressing the hydration of the soils across the west and stressing the forest and all other foliage.
In so many ways, we humans have such a substantial footprint upon the natural world. Considering the whole planet is our biosphere where we are given the opportunity of life, we SHOULD care... but we generally don’t.
5:09 broke my heart
I hope more fire fighting aircraft are made available as time goes on.
Would anyone know if dropping a load of giant water balloons would help?
The idea is for a load of water balloons to be dropped over a fixed point, and then maybe the sudden explosion of water would help soak the ground and slow the spread of fire. Would this method help in addition to the standard water dropping?
We all need to do our part to help out!
This aged well (Canada wildfires)
No rain low humidity and windy
Thats crazy
trees: *exist*
Wall Street journal: *so the reason are these ladder fuels*
No commercial value. Well... we know nobody is going to do anything about any thing. We're all just going to watch the planet die.
Not a word about international fires for clearing land for agricultural use?
Could be possible 🙄😣
Prayers
Firebreaks by jdam's? Daisy cutters? Definitely more cost effective and more fun the felling trees
Has anyone seen 'the road' staring Vigo mortonson ?
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Another factor the pine beetle. They eat out the center of the tree killing it, adding to fuel. When you look at landscapes, those brown, dead trees are beetle kill.
On path to become Modor.
Smokey Bear, Bambi, poor forest management, lack of natural burns prescribed fire, all contribute to this issue. The future will be large wildfires and that won’t change.
Here in Australia the 2019-2020 bushfires are known as the black summer
The cost in dollars of forest management vs the cost in dollars of fire control and extreme environmental destruction ?...... management may make more sense, ideal area for job creation.
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But the cost in Forest Management will have nothing to show for it. Spend millions of dollars, No fires. Did we really have to spend all that money? There were no fires to speak of, what a waste of money.
Where spending money to fight the fire has something to show. Well only 5,000 acres burned, but it could have been worse. Look at all the people and equipment we had to use to stop it. Worth every penny...
People do this all the time, would rather spend money on the problem itself instead of spending on preventing the problem raising its head. If you prevent the problem, there is no problem, so any money spent on the problem is a waste. If you let the problem happen, you then have something to show why you are spending the problem.
@@Wailwulf I spotted a fallacy in your argument first the beast measure of defence is preventative action thus spending the money would show the reason why second (something that is quite clearly obvious today) If a small fire erupted somewhere it could easily be contained if you cleared the Forrest of fuel (I.E dead shrubs and trees)
@@sockshandle I agree with preventative maintenance. The problem is the value of the cost of preventative maintenance.
Spend 12 Million dollars and nothing happened. Gee whiz, was all that money necessary?
or let us say:
Spend 12 Million Dollars on a fire station and equipment. Best investment, that crew is out fighting fires all the time. Wonder how many more homes would have been lost, lives lost, and acres burned if we didn't have them.
Preventative Action shows a null result. Which most folk see as nothing happened, and if nothing happened, how do you know it would have not happened without the preventative action.
Hallelujah
The video at 2:39 shows clearly that the increased intensity of wildfires is caused by the homes and possessions brought into the forests by residents. The homes, cars, wood fences, and other flammable items burn to the ground while the trees do better. Building codes and home maintenance are part of the problem.
may God bless those people who have suffered from the destruction these wildfires had caused them
God already did way more than asked--"he" lit most of these with fave old tool lightening.
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First time I hear information about human destruction what a shame bring love 💕
Sure 👍
(9/12/2023)Hawii now
oh tell me more about the "camp" fire
Toooo frustrating 😤
Whilst I have great sympathy for the damage experienced by Americans with this fire season, it's small compared to Australia last summer (Australian summer Nov - Feb, and before) so we know what our American cousins went through with these fires. And many are expressing the same recommended response being mentioned here. Even more significantly, our Aboriginal peoples have managed the land for thousands of years and we are learning from them, safe ways to do slow burns, preventing major fires without damaging flora, fauna nor habitat.
doug morton needs to talk to me if this is gonna be solved properly
How can we have a deforestation issue and also have too many trees at the same time?
One solution might be grazing. Lots of the stuff that burns can be or had been animal food.
Small trees can be prcessed to become paper or other useful stuff.
Indeed but fire is still essential, many native tree species can't exist without it, so it's a question of burning on 'our terms' or when conditions are most dangerous.
Grazing only lengthens the period before burning becomes necessary.
‘Member when California had a lake in the San Joaquin Valley? I ‘member. Now it’s a desert.
NASA's system of anticipating which areas are likely to have uncontrollable wildfire will greatly help to forewarn each country's firefighting and a great service towards fighting climate crisis.
Interesting.......
I hear a lot on controlled burns! No one is talking about thinning trees and burning the debris left by the thinning! Thinning produces healthier bigger trees and cleaning and burning excess brush left after thinning can clean the forest floor reducing fuel for forest fires!
In all the fires out west no trees were down
No No trees burnt down
I think that koala was saved by the people who made the video.
True I think that one is still alive .
Wow but I'm from Rhode Island and here we don't have wildfires, so I'm wondering how bad are wildfires?
These fires are as devastating to see as the huge marine die-offs are in the east coast . i.e. BAD
oh look WSJ finally doin some quality reporting for a change ...
Just more gaslighting. They can't ignore the climate science completely, so they added a bit, but they didn't even mention the cause of actual climate change aka massive increase of CO2 in the atmosphere from burning of fossil fuels.
@Kent Horvath well ... not sure what standards you have set WSJ but to me this seems like improvement
Have they tried sweeping the leaves in the forest 😂
Because you dont rake the forest floor
Yep!
It's always happening, only change now is there are humans residing now.
Demonstrably false statement in every measure. A quick 5 second google search in the data would show that the average (doesn’t matter if it’s inhabited) have exponentially increased, the climate hotter and drier and increasing at a rate much faster than the “cyclical” changes.
@@albertabound5124 that's what I have said.
@@hemaraj3783 No. You said "It's always happening". False, the acreage burnt in recent years is unheard of. Unless I misunderstood your comment in some way?
Umm dry timber ,no rain, fire you get big fire's.
That was really sad seeing the koala in the fire. :/
I know what's going to happen now. Real estate values in or near those areas will plummet because people will not buy a house there.
Once a region has been swept by fire, the odds of a repeat fire are relatively low for perhaps 20 years or so.
@@goondocksaints9597 not any more. These fires appear in the same place again and again. The entire West coast is off limits to regular humans.
Because they cant buy fire insurance
@@goondocksaints9597 that depends how much fuel was burned on the previous fire. Brush fires can lead to future crown fires by destroying the undergrowth occasionally. Other times it helps. It will be extreme for some time because of the aggressive nature that we have had towards fighting these fires for over a century
Goondock Saints More like seven or ten years! It’s was seven in Northern California! Glad I left and moved further south we’re it is safer!
They should build firewall
well, regarding the forest fires I truly believe that we can find evidence that such calamities are due to irresponsible state and federal government, for the last 40 years or more, they have been investing heavily into discrediting those ppl who would promote protecting the forests, a good portion didn't move a finger to stop those who like to destroy forest with fires, nor to stop those who show clear disregard for nature, the nature that is there, or that was there, took millions of years to get to that point, while a government took a few decades, or centuries at most, the plain disregard to provide clear welcoming protection to all the already endangered nature is a clear sign that the ppl in government have committed a mistake from where there is no coming back from, if ppl. loose their jobs for silly things of witch we got plenty of examples to mention, then these forest fires are of the sort of mistakes that should be capital crimes, in a country like the USA, where is common to find ppl., and corporations with more wealth than entire nations, there is no excuse, that could be valid, in case of someone wondering from where does all this finger pointing comes from, lets keep in mind that the way to move water that would be needed to stop and to prevent such forest fires, has been known for the past millennia, now if we would like to include the ROMAN aqueducts, then instead of the past millennia we would need to state that it is for the last 3 thousand years or more, the thing old enough to hold such practical memory is the government of each country and state, the fact that a country like USA does not have the means to prevent such forest fires doesn't seem like a normal thing, to me it seems more like a crime from where there is no coming back from, the poor ppl that are struggling just to make ends met, just to get to the next year, can't be blamed for this, this is clearly a duty of the most wealthy ppl. in the planet, this is clearly a duty of the country with perhaps the richest corporations in the planet, this is the responsibility of the power that can create weapons of mass destruction, it is the responsibility of the state that can have millions of soldiers with expensive gear, is is not the responsibility of the poor nor the homeless, the law should have clear approach to this, the human expertise has been misused, let not make the mistake of thinking that such calamities are normal or that they should happen, because they should not happen not at this age, not with all the tools that can be summoned in what seems like a flash.
One solution for this is to use the fuel wood and extra for luggage from patches of the forest to be used to generate electricity instead of coal.
Proper forest management is required and fuel wood and Timber can be used more for the purpose of cooking. And those Nations having watch areas of land under forest cover can export this Biomass as mulching material and also fuelwood two countries which do not produce them
Poor Koala...
Slow down factories then
I'll save you your time
The planet fighting back using natural resources.
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Right now politicians don’t care, neither do the “yeeyee” folk, but the price of lumber has skyrocketed, a sheet of 4x9 plywood went from $6 a sheet to $40 a sheet, pretty soon the price of building anything will be too expensive
Yeah but how the fire started in the first place 😑
0:14 Seems to me like a lot of people… all over the world… need to start raking the forest floor. Nuff said.
We have a forest here in NC that is covered with dead trees and branches. But we get a so much rain we don't have to worry about it.
No. You need to stop producing CO2. Stop burning fossil fuels.
Why show the koala 😭
To show the reality of things
nine koalas got more attention in Australia than the wildlife here.
Why us states and only countries 😑
0:21 LOL it's not a fire - they're just celebrating the holiday of ivana kupala
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They don’t know nothing about Armageddon this is nothing compared to Armageddon.
Oooookay jesus, calm down there buddy
Religion is bs. There will be no "Armageddon".
shane koszczewski I think 🤔 you need to read more . God never lie
I love that everyone in the comments is a forest fire expert
They’ve been copy-pasting this “forest-management”, “water management”, “climate always changes”(shows how they don’t understand what “rate” means), “sun is active”(it’s actually a weak solar cycle, not that it matters), “fires has been the same it’s just people moving in”(no, they have increased, regardless of inhabitants) etc etc; anything to avoid the topic of obvious climate change resulting in a longer than ever dry season, much hotter temperatures, and a feedback loop that doesn’t stop.
@@albertabound5124 Exactly.
Keep starting them,
how alaska have fire alaska have snow???
like if no fire in the world
People set em'
It only takes a minute to wipe out a century.... Wow
Long live 2020 worst year ever
Oh no, the bear. :(
"Forest Forest rage out of control"
.......uh, yeah
.....that's what fires do.
Poor smokery
The American and Australian governments and citizens lack a sense of responsibility. Their voices about environmental protection are the loudest, but their actions about environmental protection are the smallest.
The biggest mistake people in 2020 make is assuming it will be over in 2021
Maybe is not the Scince of it snd instesd evrything else
There is footage of fire fighters adding fire to bush fires in California!
Jesus christ. Dont comment something your not educated on.
So what you're saying is climate change is real, and human intervention, activity and encroachment is a big factor for this records? ✔️
Arguably its the lack thereof human intervention and activity
Please edit out the Koala bear on fire out. It's very disturbing.
There’s not enough CO2, (tree food), and trees are cutting back on photosynthesis, and dying back.
This drops more deadwood, and the fires are sending freed up carbon, back into the atmosphere.
GEO-ENGINEERING
This is completely wrong, an increase of wildfires isn't a result of overgrowth.
Poor koala he stuck in the fire nobody’s helping him somebody needs to help him I mean I think it’s tails burning look at all the fire around him
A woman rescued him out of the fire.
He received vet treatment for his injuries, but died a couple of days later.
Another aspect is there is big money in forest fire fighting, companies allow for the forest fire to get big enough so they have enough work till the next job. (Another forest fire)
At least in Saudi Arabia, we don't need to worry about fires
Yes, because all we have is a desert
Fires do not like poor areas 🤨 watch corporate landlords build new development housing after the fires
Hahaha you watch the forests grow back and no developments, your an idiot.
People said the same in Australia, they were starting bush fires for a train corridor to be built.
Almost 10 months later most of our bush land has regrown, towns are rebuilding and guess what no train line was built.
Same will happen in America forests will grow back, towns will re build and you will be thinking back, remember when i thought greedy corporate elites started these fires to move people into cities or to build crazy developments.....
Brandi W you have obviously done no research to back up your claim.
We live in 21-st century people, this is time to build more drones, but not military drones, but firefighter
drones with a few thousands of gallons of water on board so you can
fight fires from the office, I'm serious, really, no kidding, it's worth
it, just put on bigger wings and engines. Drones also can get more quickly and more close to fire site, so they will more effective then humans. Kratos this is some work for
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water forests to prevent them from becoming fire wood
Where do you get the water? California already has massive water shortage problems as it is, I don't think that's going to work.
@@richardwilde1348 then use sea water. desalinize with advanced techonology
@@johnperic6860 advanced technology
@@auro1986 desalinizing salt water is an extremely expensive process.
@@jac4423 yes money is best invested if utilised for personal or family, if you have one, pleasures
Welcome to the (Unnecessary) Mega Fire Generation!
By Del Albright, Fire Chief (retired)
25-30 years ago, a 10,000 - 15,000-acre fire was a huge conflagration. Now we are experiencing 100,000 - 400,000-acre fires regularly.
I would like to offer an explanation based on over 30 years of government service including 26 years with the fire service, as well as beginning my fire career with a Master’s Degree based on Prescribed Burning.
NO! It is not just global warming (climate change).
NO! It is not understaffed or ill-trained firefighters.
NO! It is not Mamma Nature getting even with our urban sprawl.
NO! It is not careless campers or hunters.
NO! It is not kids with matches.
YES! It is a combination of many things but more importantly, it is the LACK of forest/brushland/grassland management caused by wacko, radical enviro groups imposing excessive regulations, and restrictions on our ability to keep the west safe from wildfire.
Here are the key takeaways from this article:
· The lack of controlled burning/prescribed fire is directly responsible for the huge build-ups of flammable fuels.
· The end of maintaining fire breaks (roads) in forested areas leaves firefighters with inadequate access.
· The end of logging and good timber management as we used to know it is directly responsible for forests that are now tinderboxes.
Let us take a deeper look at these reasons.
CONTROLLED BURNS:
Going back to Native Americans in America, controlled burning (later called Prescribed Fire) have saved the west from huge conflagrations. By burning large brush fields and using fire to thin understory brush in the forest, we kept the big boomers at bay. We had programs designed to reduce “chaparral” in the west, thus limiting the ability for fires to get ragingly out of control.
In the early days of settling the west, ranchers regularly burned brush fields to make way for grazing and wildlife habitat.
This entire program of controlled or prescribed fire is a near thing of the past.
ROADS/FIRE BREAKS:
When I started with the fire service in the 1970’s we had regularly scheduled building, repairing, cleaning, and maintaining fire breaks around rural housing areas and developments. We kept fire roads cleared and usable for large fire equipment. We had access to remote areas which allowed us to attack fires when they were small. Roads provided a place to start a safe backfire. Oh, backfires! Another art nearly lost today due to liability and excessive oversight by the media and radical enviro groups who have political power.
LOGGING/TIMBER MANAGEMENT:
If you live in the Pacific Northwest, you probably remember sawmills. They are all gone for the most part because the radical environmental rules have made logging a financial nightmare. You wonder why wood is so expensive these days? We cannot log; that’s why. Yes, there are still a few holdouts logging here and there. But the feds are hampered by so many regulations and restrictions that our timber stands either get bug infested or succumb to wildfires.
We used to thin forest stands regularly - fire crews, inmate crews, machines that munch up underbrush, and yes, even pesticides to keep the forests healthy. Now, you can pick about any state in the west with timber and you see more bug-killed trees than live ones!
In our western grasslands, the lack of proactive landscape management in desert states has resulted in vast acreages dominated by a cheatgrass-fire cycle that is ruining wildlife habitat and causing bigger and more damaging conflagrations. This invasive species needs to be managed or these western deserts will never be the same - nor will our wildlife species.
In timber areas, for the most part, we no longer control pests and bugs; we no longer do any substantial thinning of the underbrush; logging is kaput, and forest management is a façade. It is not the fault of our public land managers; it is the imposition of radical regulation. It is politics.
SUMMARY:
Public land management is no longer based on science but rather politics. The same goes for wildlife management. Radical enviro groups lobby politicians (and raise untold dollars in support) to STOP all the things that will make our forests, brushlands, and deserts safe and healthy. It is ironic (and pathetic) because for all their efforts to “save the world” they are destroying our world, piece by piece.
To see fires in California reach half a million acres is beyond belief!
What can we do? We must STOP the silliness and over-regulation and allow sound public land management, never forgetting that public lands are FOR the public. Help good politicians get elected and stay in office. Recall bad politicians. Do everything in your power to negate, refute, or STOP the radical movement that has stagnated management of our resources.
Woah the Journal is acknowledging climate change now
A couple minutes I thought they weren't even going to mention it ....
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@@johnperic6860 No
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John Peric what are you talking about? There’s easily a positive correlation how do you explain that the warmest years on record have had the highest number and most destructive wildfires?
People watching these wildfire videos in 3000 CE, be like 'why didnt they try to stop global warming back then, now we dont have trees'.
I wonder what happened on earth regarding prairies and forests before humanity got involved. I'd suspect our little blue-green ball had wildfires then too.
Ok yes you are correct. But you know what make them so much worse. HUMAN CAUSED CLIMATE CHANGE.