Comparing the bad press on Bernie to the bad press on Corbyn I think the US media have missed a chance to ruin Bernie by ignoring him for so long. Corbyn got over 5 years of hate in the media to the point that people who never paid attention just kind of knew they shouldn't like him.
It's true. Bernie was considered a joke for too long. Even now, the corporations are very slowly waking up to the threat he poses, and it may simply be too late for them to torpedo him now. Hopefully.
Be careful there though, a well timed smear can absolutely still tank him, especially in the general. They still have time to prepare the public for anything, news media can just start outright lying/concern trolling to foster an environment of uncertainty then shout a big lie the day before the election. If Bernie confronts it head on, he could dissolve it but never underestimate the power of the Media.
Part of the reason there I think is that the US media is marginally more worried about being accused of bias. That's not a compliment for US media. UK media is just really, really shit.
Lol, I listened to the interview bit clipped by some random RUclipsr earlier this week and there were a bunch of comments saying Virgil pulled a power move by eating during. Hilarious with context that he was just hungover as shit and needed something in his stomach.
Don't argue with Warren supporters or be cute on her Twitter, it doesn't do anything Donate to and volunteer for Sanders. Victory feels better than catharsis.
1:18:10 Some clarification on this. Yes in Iowa we have same day registration. You can walk in to your caucus location as an unregistered voter, fill out the registration, and participate as soon as they verify who you are and your address (through a bill with your address on it or whatever means.) Another already registered voter can attest to your legitimacy if you don't have a license or proof of residence too, but you have to sign an oath saying you know it's a felony if you're lying. But yea, same day registration is dope.
Here's my problem with American liberalism. There have been massive, earthshaking societal changes since Clinton squeaked by in the 90s, whether you look at obesity rates or household debt or educational attainment or racial demographics or homeownership or even violent crime. And liberalism still makes the same tired sales pitch: 'we're more responsible with the economy, we'll do wars smartly, capitalism with restraints is the best system, technology and expertise will solve our problems, and conservatism must be accommodated and cajoled since it cannot be defeated'. The past 30 years have been some of the most transformative in American history (with arguably only the span of WW2 + Cold War exceeding it) and yet liberals don't see of any of these changes being important to their beliefs or strategy or even messaging. Even when the smarter liberals like Chait do recognize things are changing, they're completely uninterested in doing anything different that would let them take advantage of these changes. To these people, "demographics are destiny" is not a strategy to flip the script, it's an excuse to grind out a win against the right-wing by not doing anything.
I wanted Matt to interrupt with, “France?!....Iran, they LIVE there.” 🤣...this reminded me of the shit-ton of responses Noam Chomsky got back years ago, i.e., ‘ Chomsky thinks that it’s okay for IRAN to have every right nuclear weapons !!”
14:53 To beat your metaphor to death; yes he knows how the sausage gets made but he still feels it needs to be made and need to be made competently. I.e. Walk SOFTLY and carry a big stick. PS His opinion, not mine.
Bernie got absolutely fucked tonight. I'm legitimately sad, not because I ever thought Warren was credible but by how blatant the media and other campaigns wanted to shiv Bernie. I'm scared about Iowa, I think this may hurt Bernie especially since he'll be away for that stupid fucking impeachment trial. This one is rough.
I disagree, I think if anything, they're overplaying their hand. They're being too adversarial for the average person to get on board, it's too obvious that they're attacking him. I think he did about as well as the other debates, and his grassroots support remains strong. Impeachment is a worry, we'll see if his surrogates pull through.
Thanks for this. I lose respect for commentators when they drop all criticism and fall in line after the primary. OK, support the lesser evil that ended up with the nomination. But as far as being obligated to about-face and praise the lesser-SOB's "great accomplishments" :The less said the better.
NOT ONE TIME HAS SENATOR SANDERS BEEN KNOWN TO LIE>EVEN HIS CRITICS SAY HE HAS INTEGRITY AND IS HONEST TO A FAULT> AND THOUGH WARREN HAS LIED FRO THE BEGINNING AND CONTINUES TO LIE ABOUT HEALTHCARE FOR ALL IT IS TIME TO STOP THIS FEUD>THE DNC SEEMS TO BE BEHIND THIS WITH A DIVISION AND SHATTERING OF THIS PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES? ESTABLISHED STATUS QUO WINS AND OUR GREATGRANCHILDREN LOSE!! FEED THE BEAST AND WE ARE CONQUERED & DIVIDED AS *HILARY "HE KNEW IT WAS MY TURN" CLINTON AND MR. TRUMP USES* FOR THEIR PERSONAL ATTACKS & VICTORIES!
Can any Chapo listeners who are good at video editing, please please make a Bernie clip vid over Collie Buddz - Blind to you. I swear this could single handedly win him the election :)
He's basically the prime example of the smug centrist saying that "you need to start having realistic goals and political objectives and not this pie in the sky socialism stuff" while suggesting that maybe we should have universal healthcare during a pandemic and a competent government response generally to disasters, both internal, external, and climate-based. He'll be the TV interviewer in 2044 smugly asking how you're gonna pay for your idea to rebuild basic infrastructure before the electrical grid fails and the mass starvations begin in America.
@@TheCandyManCanToday Only when full blown disaster strikes, can they help people, when we are hanging on by our fingernails. 'Ooops, it all fell apart, better get some of that stuff fixed up.'
This current "Bernie is sexist" controversy is lame and the only people buying it are already anti-Bernie. Go cry about it on Twitter. If I misconstrued your intent sorry.
Take the D comrades, you unironically got owned. Accept that Chapo success is mostly due to Felix's comic genious, not the punditry (Matt, Will, Virgil).
Not sure how you think that? Overall it was a highly passive-aggressive back-and-forth with no clear 'loser', as if there has to be a loser in a podcast interview.
Isikoff really made a fool of himself, it's pretty sad had badly he got owned by a couple of comic nobodies. The guy has spent his life as a political reporter and literally knows nothing. Pathetic.
Virgil nailed his prediction of what Warren would do about the accusation during the debate. And the backlash.
Comparing the bad press on Bernie to the bad press on Corbyn I think the US media have missed a chance to ruin Bernie by ignoring him for so long. Corbyn got over 5 years of hate in the media to the point that people who never paid attention just kind of knew they shouldn't like him.
It's true. Bernie was considered a joke for too long. Even now, the corporations are very slowly waking up to the threat he poses, and it may simply be too late for them to torpedo him now. Hopefully.
Be careful there though, a well timed smear can absolutely still tank him, especially in the general. They still have time to prepare the public for anything, news media can just start outright lying/concern trolling to foster an environment of uncertainty then shout a big lie the day before the election. If Bernie confronts it head on, he could dissolve it but never underestimate the power of the Media.
Unfortunately there is still plenty of time to push the sexism line.
Part of the reason there I think is that the US media is marginally more worried about being accused of bias.
That's not a compliment for US media. UK media is just really, really shit.
That last sentence mate, sums it up perfectly, thank you.
Lol, I listened to the interview bit clipped by some random RUclipsr earlier this week and there were a bunch of comments saying Virgil pulled a power move by eating during. Hilarious with context that he was just hungover as shit and needed something in his stomach.
Don't argue with Warren supporters or be cute on her Twitter, it doesn't do anything
Donate to and volunteer for Sanders. Victory feels better than catharsis.
Thank you for this. You’re right. It’s all too tempting.
Fellas, it's hard to admit, but they got owned. Friendship ended with chapo, now skullduggery is my best friend
Chapo are libs anyway. Skullduggery is a podcast of the vanguard.
Now this is a good bit
@Gerard Wolff 'tis a joke.
Warren: "So you'll back my garbage trap for Bernie?" .. CNN: "Say no more fam" 🔥🔥
1:18:10 Some clarification on this. Yes in Iowa we have same day registration. You can walk in to your caucus location as an unregistered voter, fill out the registration, and participate as soon as they verify who you are and your address (through a bill with your address on it or whatever means.) Another already registered voter can attest to your legitimacy if you don't have a license or proof of residence too, but you have to sign an oath saying you know it's a felony if you're lying.
But yea, same day registration is dope.
Iowa's same day registration is hella dope. All states should do it.
I wish I could have been there when that guys younger relatives heard this interview.
HUNG...OVER... Virgil kicked their butts.
Isikof checkmates himself every time he opens his word hole.
It's Bernie or Crucifixion at this point really. It's up to interpretation who's getting crucified.
God the voice of the guy who interviewed you makes me want to max out my donations to bernie and start organizing protests.
Here's my problem with American liberalism. There have been massive, earthshaking societal changes since Clinton squeaked by in the 90s, whether you look at obesity rates or household debt or educational attainment or racial demographics or homeownership or even violent crime. And liberalism still makes the same tired sales pitch: 'we're more responsible with the economy, we'll do wars smartly, capitalism with restraints is the best system, technology and expertise will solve our problems, and conservatism must be accommodated and cajoled since it cannot be defeated'.
The past 30 years have been some of the most transformative in American history (with arguably only the span of WW2 + Cold War exceeding it) and yet liberals don't see of any of these changes being important to their beliefs or strategy or even messaging. Even when the smarter liberals like Chait do recognize things are changing, they're completely uninterested in doing anything different that would let them take advantage of these changes. To these people, "demographics are destiny" is not a strategy to flip the script, it's an excuse to grind out a win against the right-wing by not doing anything.
maltheopia I’m confused by your use of liberal. Do you mean corporate dem?
Hubris is a good read, I thought Isakoff was decent given his track record but this was really something goddamn
Beltway Garage theme song sounds like a B-side to the Newsroom theme song.
3 good boys of the pod out in the garage, getting down and dirty with their brown, yellow, and orange handkerchiefs
Mayo Pete has that CIA edge
I wanted Matt to interrupt with, “France?!....Iran, they LIVE there.”
🤣...this reminded me of the shit-ton of responses Noam Chomsky got back years ago, i.e., ‘ Chomsky thinks that it’s okay for IRAN to have every right nuclear weapons !!”
I just love when people keep stretching a metaphor beyond its breaking point.
what's another food that's not spaghetti?
noodles
Linguini
Tortellini
Tagliatelle
Penne
Matt should become mumble rapper,opening bit proves that
This was gold guys!
14:53 To beat your metaphor to death; yes he knows how the sausage gets made but he still feels it needs to be made and need to be made competently.
I.e. Walk SOFTLY and carry a big stick.
PS His opinion, not mine.
Strikes Back at what?? Telling the Truth about Her? She just DISQUALIFIED Herself.
Who else is watching this post-election? 😬
Quietly browsing these old episodes for my cringe electoralism and hope-posting. Ten months feel like ten lifetimes.
Bernie got absolutely fucked tonight. I'm legitimately sad, not because I ever thought Warren was credible but by how blatant the media and other campaigns wanted to shiv Bernie. I'm scared about Iowa, I think this may hurt Bernie especially since he'll be away for that stupid fucking impeachment trial. This one is rough.
I disagree, I think if anything, they're overplaying their hand. They're being too adversarial for the average person to get on board, it's too obvious that they're attacking him. I think he did about as well as the other debates, and his grassroots support remains strong.
Impeachment is a worry, we'll see if his surrogates pull through.
Julius C. Not enough people are buying their bullshit this time.
Don't get spooked. This is not good but we can't let this drag us down now.
@@Silphanis You might have a point. His campaign raised 1.7 million that night.
The audience laughed at CNN live
i love how leftists conveniently ignore what marx said about the algorithm
What Marx said what about what algorithm?
@@barbarasmith6005 mentioning youtube's algorithm in chapo video comments is a meme that jokingly-but-actually-maybe-helps to reach libs
You have got to engage that algorithm
@@chumbucket6989too subtle for me, and I'm a socialist. Is there any chance liberals will get it?
@@barbarasmith6005 The idea is you can in theory game the "tending" algorithm with more engagement.
U bring up flint, he brings up stalin... reasonable?
This is a f-ing classic. Hilarious and illuminating.
Thanks for this.
I lose respect for commentators when they drop all criticism and fall in line after the primary. OK, support the lesser evil that ended up with the nomination. But as far as being obligated to about-face and praise the lesser-SOB's "great accomplishments" :The less said the better.
allegedly, Virgil, has some oil of discourse on his car mechanic smock
tough scene
You guys went on the Smug-Douchery podcast?
NOT ONE TIME HAS SENATOR SANDERS BEEN KNOWN TO LIE>EVEN HIS CRITICS SAY HE HAS INTEGRITY AND IS HONEST TO A FAULT> AND THOUGH WARREN HAS LIED FRO THE BEGINNING AND CONTINUES TO LIE ABOUT HEALTHCARE FOR ALL IT IS TIME TO STOP THIS FEUD>THE DNC SEEMS TO BE BEHIND THIS WITH A DIVISION AND SHATTERING OF THIS PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES? ESTABLISHED STATUS QUO WINS AND OUR GREATGRANCHILDREN LOSE!! FEED THE BEAST AND WE ARE CONQUERED & DIVIDED AS *HILARY "HE KNEW IT WAS MY TURN" CLINTON AND MR. TRUMP USES* FOR THEIR PERSONAL ATTACKS & VICTORIES!
Chapo owned boomer
👍👍👍
Gawd listening to boomers now gets me sick I can only imagine what their parents thought
"...I can only imagine what their parents thought".
Their parents didn't think ANYTHING. "Silent Generation", remember?
Isikoff’s co-host sounds like a younger clone of him.
And both sound like chuddy centrist versions of Sam Seder.
🐍🐍🐍🐍
30:15 I guess I didn't think about it hard enough. At first I thought that response was too dickish to work, but then I realized that doesn't matter
greetings fellow algorithms
Wassup my fellow Russian bots.
@@overbeb UNINSTALL_CAPITALISM.EXE
35:07 props to Hillary for recently tweeting out a graph proving Matt's point here.
I'm glad y'all did a reverse-own.
Lol and you're not self-owning at all, typing out a comment they will never see. Very poetic
Perhaps you're right.
I miss Virgil
I miss Virgil
cummunism
Zach Chaffee venezuala
Iowa-sca trippin’
Hey 1/14 is my birthday. No one cares? OK fair enough.
Kelsey Yerger happy birthday!!
Just want to say I love you guys (non-sexually)
*Volcel Police!*
Can any Chapo listeners who are good at video editing, please please make a Bernie clip vid over Collie Buddz - Blind to you. I swear this could single handedly win him the election :)
folks,,, algorithm
TaylorLHodges alğörythmş dış
Bernie doesn't believe Pocahontas can be president? He denied saying that in the debate...
Zebulon Deltron He doesn’t think that Warren can be the president. But it’s not because she’s a woman, it’s because she’s a disingenuous snake.
bernie sanders’yi çok seviyorum!! thats my president!
Isikof is so pompous. Can't stand it.
He's basically the prime example of the smug centrist saying that "you need to start having realistic goals and political objectives and not this pie in the sky socialism stuff" while suggesting that maybe we should have universal healthcare during a pandemic and a competent government response generally to disasters, both internal, external, and climate-based.
He'll be the TV interviewer in 2044 smugly asking how you're gonna pay for your idea to rebuild basic infrastructure before the electrical grid fails and the mass starvations begin in America.
@@TheCandyManCanToday Only when full blown disaster strikes, can they help people, when we are hanging on by our fingernails. 'Ooops, it all fell apart, better get some of that stuff fixed up.'
🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
She was not asked that question
I'm here, also, Algorithm
Well said
holy shit this was infuriating to listen to
Meatsack 2020
what does he say at 1:07:30?
"we were in the senate cloakroom in 2007 and berne called me boy"
8:00
comment!
Bad upload timing Chaps.
This current "Bernie is sexist" controversy is lame and the only people buying it are already anti-Bernie.
Go cry about it on Twitter.
If I misconstrued your intent sorry.
@@ElectricChaplain No, The dem debate is on.
@@NyatashaAce Yeah I realized that afterward, sorry for the kneejerk.
@@ElectricChaplain omg did people just make nice in a RUclips comments thread? Did the Cubs just win the Series?
misskatonic23 I just reported ur ass for hatepostıng vıbes!
It's so cringe how impressed they are with their ultimate galaxy brain you have to vote for bernie argument. Especially in retrospect lmao.
Take the D comrades, you unironically got owned.
Accept that Chapo success is mostly due to Felix's comic genious, not the punditry (Matt, Will, Virgil).
lol
Not sure how you think that? Overall it was a highly passive-aggressive back-and-forth with no clear 'loser', as if there has to be a loser in a podcast interview.
Isikoff really made a fool of himself, it's pretty sad had badly he got owned by a couple of comic nobodies. The guy has spent his life as a political reporter and literally knows nothing. Pathetic.
lol they kept changing the subjects, you have to be brain dead to think they lost that debate, or have lib brain worms
Really 😂😂😂 ok boomer
I'd like to see Bernie win and then see him lose.
Isikof checkmates himself every time he opens his word hole.