1890-1900 Automatic Steam Engine First Run On Steam In A Long Time
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Newly acquired at auction, this old 1890-1900 Automatic Steam Engine looks like the product of the Atlas Engine Works of Indianapolis, Indiana. There are no markings on the engine to confirm this. The configuration of the governor and the unusual shape of the steam chest cover say it is an Atlas. Atlas Engine Works went into receivership in 1907 and was broken up with the gas engine business moving to San Antonio, Texas becoming the Kruger-Atlas product line of San Antonio Machine and Supply Company. The fate of the steam engine products is not so clear. It is possible this engine is a copy of an Atlas engine. The chain sprocket on the crankshaft opposite the flywheel says Portland Iron Works which could be a clue since the engine is supposed to have come from some mining operation in Oregon. Anyone with catalog information confirming this engine's identity please comment.
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I’ll be 73 in the fall; I’ve never seen an engine like this. Thank You for your wisdom to show us it will run 😃👍
I Love It How It Makes That Chugging Sound!
There is a similar engine that was made in Portland iron works for Hull oaks lumber company and currently resides at a nearby restaurant in Monroe,OR.
It was used to run conveyor belt in the mill.
Hull oaks mill is still in operation and Mills some of the largest Douglas fir beams available.
Just amazing that it runs that well. I would love to have one of these.
What a beautiful peice of engineering, listening that is sweet music to me, its like a living breathing engine
She sounds okay. A strip down will find any faults. A good blast, paint up and rebuild and she will look great.
Good for you, bringing it back to life. Lots of work, but it is going to be interesting to see how it works out.
I just love it when it very slowly starts to run.
Nice old engine. 20 PSI first time out I'd say it's running pretty good. Get the stuck rings or valve taken care of and you can check out that governor. I'm liking your old Iron!
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I am really amazed that an old engine such as this had a circular crankshaft weight instead of the crude rectangular type. Nice show too.
I don't know what it is about a steam engine, but they have always fascinated me.
Got to love steam engines
Beautiful!
Profound sounds and atmosphere from long ago.
Beautiful
So awesome
Nice! Hope it cooperates when it comes time to work on it!
Good to see some old iron brought back to life. Look forward to seeing it run up to full speed. Would like to know how the governor works.
Keep up the good work. From Darwin Australia.
Amazing video 👍👍
awesome! it has life! goes to show you steam engines were the most reliable things on the planet ever made. 100+ years old!!
Interesting old engine.
Nice
This test was made just before the weather turned cold so additional work is going to have to wait. Governors of this style shift the valve eccentric so that its effective thow is reduced when the flyweights move out. The reduction in valve eccentric throw shortens the time steam is admitted to each stroke of the piston. The steam expands after it is cut off from near boiler pressure to atmospheric pressure. It will be interesting to observe all this in operation.
Thanks for that. Being a mechanic, I am intrigued by those old machines. How many hours were spent designing these mechanical marvels with nothing but a slide rule and pencil?? And still work. Leaves modern machinery for dead. Cheers.
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stuck piston rings, or valve not seating good. Both easy enough to remedy. I have collected many old steam engine design books from the late 1800's, got my own foundry and machine shop back in the woods and plan to make my own. So far I have just one old steam engine. A Westinghouse vertical high speed engine, closed oil bath crank case 2 cyl single acting. And made a water tube boiler to run it. All mounted on a dodge 4x4 truck frame, but I'm planning on building a custom engine for the truck and putting the old engine on a stationary job. Just plug the boiler in when needing to run it.
The steam chest has not been opened. Easy enough to assess the valve and seat condition when that is done.
Fun stuff... In ~50 years folks will be doing this with fossil fuel engines. Gotta admit it's really cool living through a technological shift of this magnitude...
I want one like this.
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I would love to find something like this,
Me too!
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The mining industry invented steam engines to pump, crush and grind. They invented tracks to haul ore then they put the two together to make locomotives.
What do you use as steam oil? Is it mineral oil like for watches or depends on which type of engine?
Steam oil is a compounded mineral oil that contains tallow. Since the oil is fed in with the steam, the tallow promotes wetting of the internal parts. The oil has better high temperature perfomance than straight mineral oil. A secondary use of steam oils is in worm drive gearboxes.
4:43 Looks like somebody put a few too many uggaduggas in when tightening that fitting.
Old gray cast iron is not as good as ductile/malleable iron.
very nice engine, valve timing looks way off but I'm not too familiar with that governor set up. in the UK we tend to have balls that fly out
Okay, make sure check for piston’s rings for replace. And new paint. Look nice old machine !
I'm happy to see a steam engine with a cutoff governor. I have some steam engineering texts from back in the day that criticize the fly ball governors as being the worst invention to ever happen, due to the excessive use of wood and coal they caused from their inefficiency.
The centrifugal governor would I imagine throttle the steam. Throttling Leads to energy loses. It would be best to control the steam getting to the piston by controlling the amount of fire rather than throttling. One challenge would be the slowness of response. Nevertheless would be easier with a liquid fuel burner however if burning wood or coal a bit hard to control. The men that stoked these engines would have developed a good sense.
The centrifugal governor would I imagine throttle the steam. Throttling Leads to energy loses. It would be best to control the steam getting to the piston by controlling the amount of fire rather than throttling. One challenge would be the slowness of response. Nevertheless would be easier with a liquid fuel burner however if burning wood or coal a bit hard to control. The men that stoked these engines would have developed a good sense.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs I misspoke and added confusion. Flyball governors ARE centrifugal. I meant inertial governor, which alters the cutoff of the slide valve in response to changes in speed. A flyball governor belted to a crank is a pinch valve that reduces steam pressure in the engine's steam chest. This pressure drop occurs upstream of the cylinder but no work is done, so it is pure energy loss. The engine in this video appears to alter the stroke of the slide valve in response to speed, and its steam chest would be at full boiler pressure at all times. When at its governed speed, the valve stroke would be very short and all expansion would occur in the cylinder, so maximum use of the steam expansion. I'll explain this better in an upcoming video on the Skinner Automatic Cutoff engine.
Engineers Workshop Thanks, Ive learned something. The idea is to switch the steam on and off to get the amount required for each stroke rather than throttle it. The throttling issue is probably why locomotives tended to use pistons rather than turbines. In electronic variable speed drives the voltage/current to the electric motor is controlled by switching the transistor on and off thereby creating an average current via “pulse width modulation”. This limits the energy loss to mainly that period when the transistor is switching and has both current and voltage across it, only the smallest motors “throttle” the transistor. I imagine this is how a compressed air engine would work with reasonable efficiency. Compressed air locomotives were used in that period in underground mines to maintain air quality.
You need to put that in a 4WD truck and do so.e monster truckin' with tractor wheels.
Hard to say who built the engine, but after building and repairing these engines for over 40 years I have seen a lot of "one off" engines.
And what I mean by that is a company such as a Logging company or a sawmill or what have you would have an engine built to their specs. Sometimes it would be by a local Foundry Oftentimes they would build them themselves and then have them machined. That could be why there's no name on the engine because somebody like Atlas or o&s, or frick would not put their name on somebody else's design but they would build it for them. I'm not saying that your engine is one of those but it's food for thought.
Burnaby Village in Burnaby BC, Canada has a similar flyball governor version of this engine. It too is running under and looks to be about the same size. On YT here: ruclips.net/video/nKgs1vp99js/видео.html
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On steam engines in general, won't internals eventually rust from sitting long enough with moisture left inside?
That can be true if there was no or very little lubrication on the internal parts when last run. Steam oil behaves much like cosmolene when old and acts like a sealant. If there was no way for any water to drain the problem is more acute. Fortunately there was no water found in the cylinder when opened up. There may be stuck parts from the residual oil or perhaps rust but that may have to wait for a awhile to find out for sure. A suitable skid needs to be installed before much else is done.
@@lineshaftrestorations7903 I had no idea internal oil was part of steam operation. That explains a lot. Best wishes with the engine.
Needs work but nice
How many teeth are on that sprocket? I built a steam engine in 83 like this but with a 3/4 in. bore. Now its going on an Erector Set Steam Truck Im building. I just made a 12 tooth sprocket for the crank using my Atlas Shaper with a Southbend Indexing Center. This is the first big engine I have seen with a sprocket. I made a 30 tooth axle sprocket yesterday but will redo it in a bigger diameter.
16 teeth on the sproket.
Yep a great little steam engine . I do have an original Atlas catalog from there Indianapolis plant. Do you know the bore and stoke?
I did not measure it but it is either the 7X10 or 8X10. It has a 2-1/2" exhaust which makes me think it is the 8X10 if I am to believe the Atlas catalog information I have found. Unfortunately none have this engine's exact configuration.
@@lineshaftrestorations7903 the7×10 had a two fly wheels 40 dia × 7 inch face the 8 × 10, the same. Crankshaft dia- 2 and 15/16 ths. 7×10 steam inlet 1and1/2, exhaust 2inch. 8×10 inlet 2, exhaust 2 and 1/2. I hope,this helps a bit. The picture doesn't show any governor. I can try to photograph the page and message it to you if you want. The catalog is in poor condition.
Please do. The digital catalog copies I have I got from vintagemachinery.org none show this engine exactly. ruclips.net/video/rJgoFXp7hu8/видео.html is a video of a flyball governed engine about this size running in Burnaby, BC, Canada. Same valve crosshead arrangement but with two flywheels.
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Looks like they worked it to death and abandoned it in place.
Doesn’t seem very automatic.
Automatic speed control is included in design and construction.