The SHOCKING Details Of Katie Holmes' Escape From Tom Cruise & Scientology
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2022
- Ex-Scientologist Aaron Smith-Levin (@GrowingUpInScientology) fills me in with the shock details behind how quickly Katie Holmes got away from Tom Cruise. We talk about her lawyer father, her burner phones and how she managed to win sole custody of Suri Cruise in one of the biggest legal triumphs of the century! Tom Cruise has reportedly not seen his daughter in a decade, after Katie and Tom divorced in 2012. We also talk about some of the cruel punishments Tom Cruise handed out to his scientology girlfriend Nazanin Boniadi, made to clean a bathroom with a toothbrush after saying to him 'very well done'.
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If you're religion causes you to stop seeing family and love one's it's time to change religion...
Spot on !
It's not a religion, it's a cult.
How about we stay out of Peoples religions and mind our own business.
@@Annka. works both ways annka!
That is not a religion that is a group of sick people
Katie’s father helping her and Suri get out of Tom Cruis’s and Scientology’s claws was not only genius, it shows real love a father has for his daughter!
Totally agree!! I applaud Katies father for working so cleverly to free his daughter and granddaughter. I used to like TC, but when Nicole Kidman shared that her children with Tom think of her as an SP, or suppressive person I stopped watching his films. That is pure evil, to stop a mother seeing her children.
@@serenityflies1462 He never approved of them being together.Her Dad did his homework
@@serenityflies1462 parental alienation is Child Abuse...where are social services when it's someone with Money?! 👹💩
He never took his eye off his daughter and he kept a very close eye on Tom. He was meticulous, he calculated every move, and most of all...he was patient. Tom never stood a chance against that man. Tom met his match in Katie's father.
@@williamj.dovejr.8613 I know what you mean, but, I think it’s not his match, her father is a better human! He certainly loves his daughter!
She is blessed to have a father that is one hell of an attorney.
What if he wasn’t ? Not all of us have that what then if it was someone else ? Creepy
@@teecop4735agreed. a women who is not privileged like Kate Holmes will be in a very bad situation. But Kate Holmes she's not innocent or a victim at all Tom Cruise it's a very rich Famous actor and member of Scientology he's life everybody knows he's life is Scientology he's dedicate he's life to Scientology everybody knows. She knows too her parents know the whole world knows. She's not a victim she knows what she sign up for. He didn't force her to date him and get pregnant and married him. Was her choice. Why talk bad about him. She sign up for this. Because she's bad actress he very famous very rich and he's old them her much older. She knows all that. She kidnap her daughter from him. The father.
I would love to see Katie and Nicole write books about their experiences one day. I would definitely read them both!
I'd like to see Nicole acknowledge the creepy stuff her father was involved in.
@@kenyettaready exactly .. its been known shes a pedo herself.. her eyes are soulless
I’ve always got the feeling that she is unable to speak publicly about it - sort of an NDA situation
@@kenyettaready What do you mean? My understanding is that her father is it well respected medical physician in Australia………
@@janepowers6711 Kenyetta is right. Way more to the story about Nicole's dad...and it isn't pretty.
This was all about Siri. The timing, everything. She was not going to lose her child to Scientology which is exactly what Nicole went through.
I would love to know if they have ever spoken
@@sounsure9108 That's something I never thought about, until reading your comment. Now I'm wondering the same thing 🤔🤔🤔
Suri, not Siri.
@@annh. Relax. It could be autocorrect.
This is exactly correct!! In the middle of my own in-law family cult right now, and all I can say is I wish I had a ball-buster parent attorney on my side. Katie is my hero!!
I have such respect and high regard for KH. She proved just how strong and independent she truly is, AND saved her daughter from this cult. No wonder TC can't find another wife.
Kidman somewhat did the same, but their kids are in deep. It's a horrible situation because they are Suris halv-siblings.
@@charismahornum-fries691 i remember that divorce and kidman was a lot more concerned with finances and she had her own money and could have taken those kids a deprogrammed them but she just wanted out. Katie seemed opposite more concerned with the kid and less with money
🤞🏻maybe shelley muscavidge?? 😂
For TC
He gay
Katie reminds me of a friend I had in Louisiana. Her first marriage was to a man who was abusing her. Luckily, she was working, and was able to set up her escape. She paid all the bills, cancelled their joint credit card and bank accounts, found a new place to live, all while still married, then she packed up and left with her son. She didn’t leave any loose ends.
I really admire her for that.
Years later, she met and married a nice man who loved her. And they were very happy. He eventually died of a heart condition, unfortunately. But while they had each other, they were happy.
I have a similar story myself .
I rented an apartment 3 months in advance, before leaving...and just paid rent until I could then take my son and leave.
ninja style; the only way to fly when there's a big ego being fled
Oooo finally Tom is bad guy
MY GOD!!
This is happening out in the open in AMERICA ???????!
Why hasn’t the US GOVERNMENT SHUTTING THIS DOWN??????????????
Tom Cruise didn’t give a crap about either of them. Katie Holmes understood that completely.
Her dad created her prenup that apparently filled 4 bankers boxes. Kudos to Katie’s dad!!!! That is how she had it settled in 11 days with full custody!
What does 4 bankers boxes mean?
@@dianapardo6872 That's an awful lot of paper work if it fills 4 banker's boxes! It's a reference to a vast quantity of paperwork.
@@onemuckypup9823 got it ...thanks 👍
@@dianapardo6872 maybe those old paper boxes.
Her dad was fully prepared and waiting for the divorce. Goat dad.
I’ve always felt from the beginning when it happened that she had been filming/“living” in New York for at least six months…SO SHE COULD FILE IN NEW YORK WITH SURI - as law is “where the child has lived for the last six months” is where jurisdiction is. I caught that from day one and haven’t heard anyone mention that. She. Was. GENIUS.
They have mentioned that factor many times in various videos. You probably saw it in one of these videos. Her father was brilliant and exploited every law to her advantage.
Dayuuuum.
That is not genius just basic intelligence, especially for a lawyer
Hope she still is!
@@epi965 that's the point, everyone _does_ know the bit about 6 month residency in terms of custody disputes.
That's where the "genius" of it comes in. It's that she low-key set up filming projects/professional work in NYC for the purpose of giving her a legitimate reason to be there in a way that called minimal attention, therefore shielding why she was ACTUALLY there-for the purpose of custody/divorce, a piece of her escape plan.
Katie had to be careful in the projects she lined up, it all had to "fit" within the bounds of what makes sense for her, *Katie Holmes,* i.e. not coming off too eager in the roles/work she accepted. Katie was an A+++ lister and would have had no shortage of professional opportunities available to her.
Good for Katie. She saved her child, and herself. I respect her.
Don't forget that she had Suri. A woman with a child is more vulnerable when trying to escape a bad marriage than a woman alone. It took a lot of courage for Katie to get out.
Her Father is a genius and without him I don't think she would have successfully won custody
spot on!
She had to have dirt on Tom. For him to give up custody. My opinion.
Her Dad is a top divorce attorney and he was fighting for his lovely daughter. Credit Dad. Father bear.
I agree 100%! It’s a shame that Katie’s dad couldn’t help others who wanted to get
out of that cult! (not that I am aware of).
Agree
She's smarter than him. His narcissism blinded him. They never think anyone will leave them.
absolutely joane'!
Fact!
*Tom Cruise* (allegedly) *doesn't like your comment.* (😡)
@@hollyhayes9640 🤣🤣🤣 Zero fucks given.
@@JoSpring Good. I hope no one ever cares about him again. 👍
That’s how I escaped my abuser. Exactly one year and three weeks from the day I vowed to break free, thanks to the help of an entire team of advocates, I pulled out of the driveway and never looked back. People told me afterward I should win an Oscar for my performance. ☺️
Well done, you! Former longtime Victim Advocate here, and the self control Survivors have is beyond amazing! Seeing your story made my heart swell with joy and pride, thank you for sharing! Best in your life of freedom! 👍❤️🙏💞🕊️
So stressful sorry you had to do that
so happy to hear a happy ending to one of these stories
The difference between having a father who will help you and no father or an abusive father. Night and day. Actual power.
The only reason why Katie Holmes was able to escape and have a safe life for herself and Suri is her father. He is an awesome lawyer and prepared the divorce very carefully, knowing exactly what he had to do.
I wonder if the fact Katie had never spoken about the cult is all she had to get the divorce/ custody agreement
And I'm sure Katie had dirt on him that could ruin his career.
Can you imagine the power move of calling him and saying something along the lines of, "I want a divorce." Ends the call, turns off the phone, dismantles it (like some kind of spy movie), and throws it in the trash. What a legend.
Yes, I think I did something like that.
Just slip out the back Jack, make a new plan Stan, no need to be coy Roy... Listen to me, hop on the bus Gus, you don't need to discuss much, drop off the key Lee and set yourself free!!
Paul Simon, 50 ways to leave your lover 😂
I've always imagined it started like a normal day. She invites dad to the house, makes a signal to her lips like 🤫 and then writes on a piece of paper, ''I want a divorce'' and her dad being like 🕵️👍. and then they both continue talking like nothing happened. Dad then tailgates it the fuck home and immediately set a plan in motion.
@@bluerose_11 I am cracking up over that statement
Scientology is likely what caused Lisa Marie Presley to become so dysfunctional. What a shame.
More than...likely !
I was in a cult ”organisation “ for six months. It was through much prayer, spiritual warfare and by the grace of God that my husband and I were able to get out.
Very easy to get in though right?
Amen! All glory to Jesus Christ 🙏🏽
sounds like you’re still in a cult, just a different godhead, the christian story is as ridiculous if not more than scientology. You clearly cannot trust your own instincts, be skeptical, belief in deities is not necessary, it’s counterproductive
All religions are cults....Christianity especially.
I remember thinking how great it felt to hear that Katie got Suri out and full custody was given to her. I was never a big fan of TC but any bit of respect I had for the man was gone when he choose his cult over his child.
He has gained too much power through Scientology to choose otherwise. Gross, I agree.
How can you not like maverick
People do such things all the time in the name of religion.
@@johnv6806 Simples😁
i dunno how she was able to get full custody of his child. tc is very wealthy and powerful;.
Katie deserves an Oscar for her performance. She fooled all the fools.
It must have been nerve wrecking..
She left Scientology & Tom but is still owned by the Illumin*ti…in my opinion.
@@courtneyawalsh😂😂
Did you hear KH or TC telling this publicly? Please, don't take this gossip between the two people in the video seriously; people like them are ruining other people's life. Please, don't be part of this!
@@courtneyawalsh really ? why ?
Imagine how stressful this would all be. I remember her father was in on the pre nup. I'm glad her dad is a lawyer and guided her. Scary
This shows what a great lawyer Katie Holmes’ Dad is.
The levels that Katie went to leave Tom is insane, if that isn’t proof that she wasn’t escaping an abusive or toxic environment I don’t know what is. You don’t go to that extreme if you aren’t concerned that you may be held against your will if the other person finds out. I’m not saying there was violence at all, but this is what DV victims have to resort to.
You’re right. DV survivors have to make plans and run while the abuser is at work or out of the house.
She since then has been dated quite a few men but subsequently broke up. What’s gone bad?
@@minabrite what do you mean?
@@minabrite she was with Jamie Fox a long time. I don't think i've seen her with anyone else.
Well, she had reason to... Where is Shirley? She knew and saw what happened to her, and knows what what done to Britney and figured they could do the same to her. And she'd just be a footnote as Tom Cruise's reclusive wife former starlet Katie Holmes.
You know her father saw this coming and preplanned this exit.
Absolutely thanks Beth! Crazy the detail they had to go to
Katie's dad was the one who defeated TC & Scientology. The man was very smart and knew what to do and what to tell Katie to do. I remember when TC and Katie got together. For a while, at the beginning she acted like she was totally brainwashed, and was zombie like. I'm glad she got out with Suri.
I hope Katie writes her memoir one day. Mr. Holmes is dad of the century in my eyes!
For her to have gotten such a quick settlement and full custody, she had some very damning evidence against Tom that would’ve killed his career. Notice that he doesn’t do interviews the way he used to. He doesn’t want anyone asking him questions that’ll trigger him!
His handlers tell def give the interviewee a list of topics and questions that are totally not allowed and if they brake that rule then they will never get an interview from Tom or any other Scientologist and will sick lawyers on them, resulting in ruining their careers.
She found him with a man.
I think the jumping up and down on Oprah's sofa was proof enough he's insane!
@@lesleyjones6230 i don't doubt it a bit
@@edithruiz1947 why?
You doubt he s gay? Wake up!
Katie saved her daughter from the craziness that her father worships..I stopped watching TC movies when I heard that he refuses to use his visitation rights in order to spend time with Suri..His over the top behavior during the Matt Laur interview was another reason I stopped watching his movies..
I have always felt a weird vibe from Cruise. Because of this I stopped watching his films years ago. His actions on shows like that interview and Oprah Winfrey just confirmed my suspicions.
Absolutely right
Yeh so bizarre !!
He's not a good man. Hopefully, God will zap him into the truth but I don't see that happening.
He is a possessed demon.
The reason she had to be so secretive and prepare so well was not because she could not willingly leave or take Suri, but because of the risk of Tom getting any custody of Suri and Suri getting sucked into Scientology and losing her access to Suri, which were all real possibilities given what happened to Nicole and how she basically lost her kids when she divorced Tom.
I did not know that, I don't follow celebrity news much, that's a shame
I read about her escape years ago. Thank God her father is an attorney.
Before TC, Katie was so sparkly and light in her demeanor. She seems more subdued now. It must have been horrible to wake up to this nightmare.
She is definitely happier in the photos taken in the last 11 years since she ended the marriage. Real smiles again.
I’m sure the agreement between Katie and Tom is that she keeps her mouth shut about what dirt she has, and Tom had to let her and Suri go completely, no strings attached. It very well might be that Katie doesn’t want Tom in contact with their daughter, and I can’t say I blame her for it. Scientology is all about brainwashing and I want my kids as far from that kind of garbage possible!
Hearing all of this is actually kinda scary. Her dad could not have done all of this alone and to have to choose which people you're entrusting your daughter and grandaughter's lives with would be extremely stressful. At any point one of them could have informed on her.
There were secret phones (because hers were bugged), secret financial accounts and money, a place to live in in NY, etc.
so true, shows what a good guy he really is, she and Suri are very lucky to have him
The more I learn of Scientology the more I believe Katie had dirt to get out as clean as she did.
Perhaps Tom isn't Suri's biological father? No one else would ever know
@@kirstenb1913She is not Toms ..He can't even have children thank god ..She was pregnant when she meet him ..
The father Is Chirs Klein..
@@michellenolan8626 Are you joking or serious?
@@kirstenb1913 I'm serious..
@@michellenolan8626 How do you know? Are you an ex scientologist?
I would love to know when Katie started to come down from cloud 9 and it began to dawn on her that this is nuts! Also at what point she decided she had to get out and began to plan her escape. I hope she writes a book someday.
Defo film in there, she should just ruin him, little prick
Wait. The audition to be his gf wasn’t enough lol
I would certainly read that book, but, I think it was part of the divorce agreement that she wouldn’t do something like that.
I'd suspect if not during her pregnancy, certainly after having her daughter.
She noticed he was secretive with his phone calls
With the way Tom destroyed Nicole Kidman in his divorce from her, Katie and her Dad were genius in the way they handled her divorce from Tom. And had her father not been a divorce lawyer this would be awhole different story. Tom must absolutely loath katie with how she so utterly undermined him.
Utterly undermined? He still makes movies. Seems the industry is indifferent.
Absolutely great ill be glad if she marries again like nicole and be happy again,...
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 But the fans are not!
Nicole s adopted children with tom and Nicole has talked to Katie
I was never a fan of Katie Holmes, NOT because of any reason other than I’m older than her target demo was at the time. (She was absolutely brilliant on Ray Donovan!) I remember when she left Tom, I instantly was so impressed with her poise and the grit and determination it took to leave him as well as that “church”. Absolutely amazing.
I never heard of that cult, church, business before.... it's inconceivable anyone would agree with this treatment.
She had her Father do alot of the "dirty, grit" work. Nothing "Amazing" about it when Katie had people who supported her. Meanwhile, Tom came around Katie while she was "dating" again. Something is fishy and doesn't add up.
Speaking as a father of a daughter, I loved her from the moment she was born. She became the most important person in my world. She's 24 now and I'm very grateful to have her in my life.
What a precious comment. Your daughter is blessed beyond words. ❤
I wish I had a dad like you! That's how it's supposed to be, but rarely is.
That quickness in the divorce only lets you know how much prove she gathered during the yrs they were together. Good for her and her family.
My mum had to left my abuse step father, I had no idea the day we were leaving was the last day would see my friends at school without saying goodbye. It was dramatic. Well done to Katie and anyone who did that to protect their children and their life. Domestic abuse is REAL. I was aged 12, I am now 43. I'm healed from it now. I learned to forgive, but you can never forget.
Much love and respect. 😊🥰
Mine did a similar thing
Mine did too. I was 10. Over the decades we have only referred to it as "the big move." No goodbyes. Just gone.
I am happy to hear you have learned to forgive, I hope you've come to realize how brave that was of her, and why she couldn't tell you in advance, as well
Still makes me so sad Nicole Kidman couldn't get her kiddos out of that environment before it was too late
Will always wonder if she helped her in even the slightest as revenge.
Those two people, the girl and the boy aren't really Tom or Nicole's. They were adopted, not Tom or Nicole's DNA...Tom and Nicole simply cared for them, supported them, not their genetic offspring.
@michelehernandez4217 you trying to say she was not thier parent? You one of those "takes a village" people?
They were adopted yes … Nicole is still the mother as she adopted them . How heartbreaking for her to loose her children that she loves to TC . Those kids are Scientologists .
@@michelehernandez4217Are you kidding me? What is wrong with you? Of course those are their children... They adopted them, they raised them, they love them.... You can't be serious. Nicole will always be their mother, unfortunately Tom will also always be there father
I can’t imagine how angry TC was when he got that call. Even Tom couldn’t make it NOT happen.
I remember being shocked by the announcement that Katie filed for divorce because 2 days earlier there was a picture of her and Tom walking hand in hand in Reykjavik Iceland. She has to have the ultimate poker face to pull that off.
Well, she is an actress.
Acting skills came in handy!!
I believe it also has got something to do with how Tom Cruise is out of touch with reality. A caring husband would not be fooled by the poker face and would feel that something was wrong. But he always was sooooo full of himself that he had no idea or interest in how his partner feels.
@@fridakahlo4225 He's probably a "malignant narcissist". He wouldn't be able to conceive of anyone going against his express wishes in any form. All you have to do with those kinds of people is smile, nod, agree and leave without any forwarding address or any kind of warning at all. Been there, done that.
@@Balletified Stay safe and be well.
Back in the 90’s I was in the greater St Louis area & had to escape an auditing session! It was scary af. My 3 friends & I were downtown St Louis one day when someone asked if we wanted a free personality test. I was 19 & dumb af so of course we went. Almost as soon as we got there they separated us into two groups, then eventually divided the four of us completely. Once my auditing began I knew immediately something was "off". Let me be clear, at no time did these people announce that they were Scientology! The creepiest part was when my auditor started telling me that my violent r*pe was my fault. My father physically abusing me, my fault etc. I eventually faked needing the bathroom & found my friends & we ran out of there with two auditors chasing after us. It was creepy!
There's a weak moment in every person's life that cults do *take advantage* of. It goes unpunished but it happens
Same thing happened to me and 3 of my friends in L.A. in the 80's ... Free personality test is a scam .... Did you get like 100's of questions? Like do you whistle while you work? Crazy questions! Crazy situation for a teenager to get into.
They audited you the first time you met them??
@@julietteoscaralphanovember2223 yes. Exactly. We took a 'test' lol, in an open room right off Hollywood Blvd, it was like a hundred questions and then they took us to a back room where we were one on one with someone on a audit machine. Weird
We were in London (me and my then boyfriend) and went to a session about Dianetics, as it was then back in the 80s. We thought it was ludicricous and frankly bonkers but we had some difficulty getting out of the hall. They were extremely persistent. Luckiky we were living in Ireland and they lost interest when they heard that.
I think she knew and her father knew the day may come where she had to escape with Suri. The fact it only took 11 days to complete makes me feel like 1) she had a lot of dirt on them 2) this was in the works on her father's end from the beginning.
If there's anything I've learned while attending "Dateline University" it's that planning and secrecy are absolutely essential and could even be a matter of life and death when it comes to escaping an abusive partner.
Former longtime Victim Advocate here, and your Dateline training is spot on! 👍
I have a lot of respect for Katie Holmes after I learned what had happened, and what she did about it. A strong woman & loving parent. ✨🙌✨
Aaron’s story about the older lady with bad knees getting assigned to manual labor Bc she “didn’t stand up fast enough” for the Wee Admiral made my blood boil.
Can you imagine what a narcisstic piece of garbage miscavage is to treat someone that way? He is truly a sick sadistic beast.
Its disgusts me to even think about the situation
The wee admiral...lol
I know, what a horrible little man. I can’t fathom why no one stands up to him? It’s baffling????
@@tracieday8661the wee admiral is right lol 😂
I will always respect Katie for what she did. Smart girl.
Smart woman
I remember following all this drama back in the day. A gossip columnist who I used to read regularly at the time was the only one I saw talking about what was going on with Katie Holmes, the wife auditions, Nazanin Bonaidi, and the escape. I wasn't a huge fan of hers or anything (I was mostly familiar with her from Dawson's Creek), but was pretty happy when she was finally able to escape.
I didn't know who Katie was when she was dating cruise, but after I heard how births and babies are handled in Scientology, I was hoping she'd get Suri out of there.
I think she is a damn good actress to have pulled off that escape. 🙏🏻😉 I never watched Dawsons creek, but I saw her in some little independent movie and she is really good.
My Ex-husband did a bait-and-switch on me. He hid his extreme rage before we were married and let it all out afterwards. I have no doubt Tom did the same thing with Katie, hiding many things. I’m sorry she had to go through this.
And she was powerless against his star power.
I’m so sorry your ex husband did that to you it sounds like the plot of an actual horror movie!! Grateful you are alive and have some peace!!
@@Vanessacurry84 Thank you so much for saying that. ♥️
Happy Holidays! 🌲
@@rosebudame u don’t have to thank me it’s the truth I’m glad u liked it I wasn’t sure how to word smthg like that lol Happy Holidays to you as well!!!!❤️
@@Vanessacurry84 love bombing a victim then turning on them once they've 'got' you via marriage or children is a textbook abusers pattern .
I saw this random attorney interviewed about Katie’s escape. He said it was done with “surgical precision.”
Leaving an abusive situation is always an escape.
Absolutely.
I don’t understand how anybody would get behind a religion that breaks up families
I can’t watch his movies anymore after I heard about Katie’s ordeal. Well done to her.
If you watch Tom's interview with Oprah, Tom literally grabs Katie from behind and frog marches her out to the audience. He literally treats her like his possession. And this was at the beginning of their relationship before they were married. So can you imagine how controlling he would become once they were married. Scary. She had to plan her escape with military precision.
insane!
Why did she marry him?
Any time I see any person put their hand on the back of their "partner's" neck, it gives me the chills; even if it seems to be 'affectionate'. Let alone frogmarching someone out into camera range.
@@uptick888 it was said in an interview that she had a crush on him since she was a young girl and jokingly mentioned that she would marry him someday. I guess in a crazy way, she manifested that, but obviously she had on rose colored glasses with him (after watching the Kidman divorce) I’m sure Tom and his crew had some convincing stories as to why their marriage didn’t work out and convinced Katie that Nicole was the problem and not the other way around. My guess
@@uptick888 she was young and swept away by a rich, famous actor. She obviously had no idea how bad things would get. But I get your point. She was an adult and should have seen the early warning signs.
“Everything she did and said was reported back to Tom and Dave”. Poor woman having to have everything passed onto not just her husband but his buddy too. If Cruise thinks thats ok, then he really should have just married Dave.
Tom Cruise called Katie Holmes and said, “I think you’re an amazing actress.” Within two days she was gone from her family. According to someone who knew her.
Sounds like it was personal for her Dad.
Katie's father is a brilliant lawyer
Go Katie, outsmarting Scientology
They don’t only use violence they also use Blackmail!
So that shows Katie Holmes is an excellent actress because she fooled Tom into not seeing anything wrong. 🙄
I remember clearly that her father was such a wonderful help
Very fortunate to have him! Thanks Clare
I remember when my first son was born...I knew when I first saw him that if anyone tried to hurt him that I would tear them to pieces.
I respect Katie so very much for not saying a single word.
They need to close places like this down
That story was riveting , it reminded me of Betty Mahmoody 's " Not without my daughter "
The feeling I felt when my first kid was born was the most love and connection I have felt. I can’t accurately describe the feeling. It was not learnt. It was instinctual
That's a feeling that can only be understood when you go through it, I was told that and I experienced it. I told someone I know that, before she gave birth and she assured me she loved her child already. I told her I know but it'll be different, afterwards she told me that she understands now what I was saying.
I just don't get being sucked into something that controls every part of your life. And I am a senior citizen. So I have had lots of testing to know I can see right through them. Just the fact that some of these cults isolate people from their families is unbelievable to me.
All cults I’ve researched isolate their members from their families+friends.
Having a decent and loving family and a lawyer as a father gives Katies upper hand in this relationship.
The fact she felt she HAD to escape is mind blowing and he STILL has a career and a good reputation .
Thats hollywood , not shocking .Massive respect to Katy , she outsmarted a lot of people !
No, that's the basic premise of the United States of America. Freedom of religion. As insane as it sounds to a lot of people, Tom is allowed to believe in that.
I'm glad she was able to get out of a situation that was unhappy/unhealthy. But many churches do this kind of mental/emotional abuse, not just Scientology. Across the world, not just the US. And no one should be persecuted for being Catholic/Baptist/Jewish/SDA/Muslim/Buddhist/Scientologist as long as they are not committing illegal acts because of their beliefs.
I feel strongly about this because I'm an atheist. And I feel uncomfortable saying so sometimes. Imagine living somewhere you knew you literally could be jailed for your beliefs.
But her career is very dull. Tom surely pulled kots of strings to make sure she would never make it big in the industry
@@ach4049 Being a mom myself I would think she feels the sacrafice is worth it 🙂
Well, I have luckily escaped Scientology 8 years ago, and I have been in it for 10 years by that time. I was raised by a couple of Scientologist. It is really terrifying once you start to understand how much of a scam it is and how obscured everything is.
But on the divorce I can say a thing: Scientologists just never sue each other. It is against internal rules. I don’t deny that there is some dirt on DM, but absolutely sure that the trial would have been fast and easy any way. There is idea that all the conflicts must be solved inside the community, and if it is not possible on any reason, it must be quiet, fast, unnoticeable - for the sake of reputation. And also to prevent “entheta” from spreading, lol
Alexandra Good for you that you got away. I understand it wasn't easy and that's an understatement.
Scientology tried taking my nephew away from my brother in court! That cult had no business being there!
Every time someone says "entheta" I laugh 😆 Once it's not super-serious anymore, it's stupid.
@@sharkofjoy yep. It becomes even more hilarious, when you speak to someone who takes it seriously
My mom is OT7, lol
Even so, Tom got custody of Nicole's kids so Katie and her dad made sure she got Suri.
Thank you guys for continuing this conversation and exposing this cult ! We need to continue.
My brother dated an amazing girl for 7 years (she was so sweet and a talented artist) she joined this cult and she became a zombie.
Yes if we look at what Tom Cruise did to catch Catherine off guard going up the step. It was so gross and she prevented it the second time he attempted it again on her. They probably would never invite him again in his life.
I remember seeing Katie and Suri got see Tom. While Katie was with Tom, Katie's parents was moving her and Suri out of their apartment. Katie had got a different apartment and her parents was moving her and suri while helping set up their new place. Katie played the roll with Tom knowing when she got back she was already moved out and leaving Tom. I don't blame Katie at all.!!!
She got the apartment to establish a residence. The apartment was in her name only. That is critical in NYC. Genius on her dads part. Definitely think she had information too.
there is no way I would ever be comfortable controlling the actions of another adult of sane mind who wasn't hurting anyone ever, under any circumstances, I do not have the right to make choices for anyone but myself
Katie Holmes in my opinion is one heck of a dilligent intelligent loving mother
Along with the best actress to ever play JACKIE
It sounds like escaping an abusive spouse except she had the money to do it easily not all women and children are that lucky
Fortunately, not all women are reckless enough to put themselves in that position. I'm amazed at the free pass she's getting on this. This is what happens when you make a deal with the devil.
@@mjt5576 i know its not a cult but i went to a university that acted very much like scientology. They told you what you wanted to hear and everyone you spoke to told the same rehearsed lies and once you moved everything, sold everything, moved to a new place had loans only the job you were studying for could pay you wete told if you didnt perform certain tasks you would fail. I had to sue and even then my lawyer took a pay off, powerful groups took credit for my work to change things, i was failed at the 11th hour and the dean of the school was friends with the governor and DA which left me witg nothing. Im also disabled so they caused so much stress i am now dying. I asked the right questions, made the right moves bcz i had grown up in an abusive household and went to a church that protected my abusors so i thought this would mever happen to me as an adult but it did. I never understood women who stayed in abusive situations until i was in a place where i had nowhere to go. I dont have holmes and cruise money, Katie was lucky she did, if i had maybe i wouldnt be dying.
@@ahomeforallanimals it’s a cult
@@tiffprendergast they have the money of scientology and i cant even get an interview with someone on youtube
@@ahomeforallanimals I'm so sorry. This goes on everywhere to so many people. I had a similar experience. so many predators out there
Tom held Nicole back in her career. Her career sky rocketed after she and Tom broke up. Tom at the time made it sound like Nicole did something horrible and it was all her fault. I remember hearing that so called leaked phone call.
She’s a better actor than him.
Not only she has been able to develop an incredible career with multiple varied roles but a good marriage with kids. None of which he has.
@@alexanderh9878 her adopted kids were scientologised away from her....
@@daisy7066 they were gods... and Stiller are
And the fact Nicole was pregnant, had a miscarriage and TC says he didn't know if the child was his. Ugh
Katie did everything right regarding leaving an abusive relationship. She planned in secret with a network, collected evidence, and then acted quickly. I am so so glad she got out. I am just sad that everyone but her thought it was a bad idea to date him. He is an absolute psycho. So many women have to do it alone and even our patriarchal system outside Scientology will enable the abusers first.
Her father also drafted a solid pre-nup that sped up the divorce. Always get a solid pre-nup.
I had to do it alone and it was awful; I have always had a contentious and difficult relationship with my parents so when I finally worked up the courage to go talk to them about help getting out my gather said "we can't listen to this we have to stay neutral" it wasn't unexpected, but still felt like a knife in my back, it was hard to pack up with a six-month-old to take care of at the same time, luckily I had a neighbor who would watch him for an hour or so, and let me stash the boxes at her house til I found a place for us to move to and a job to support us which I was fortunate enough to have the computer skills to be able to do fairly quickly, but without her, it would not have happened, throughout the entire custody hearing nightmare no one from my family ever called to ask how it was going, or how we were which again, was not a surprise, but still hurt a lot
You guys are the best team...I really enjoy your collaborations and hope there are more to come!
Aw thank Jana! I think we have a lot more to come.
But where’s the comment about the musings on how parents don’t really love their children??? Aaron already said the opposite, and he’s made his love for his kids and wife clear in other videos. What does he mean, “you make some points?” Of course some people don’t, and no one should be forced to have kids. But some people certainly do. Read all the comments about Katie Holmes’s Dad if you have any doubts
My first knowledge of Scientology was when an old friend took the leap into that insanity. He escaped but they hounded him for twenty years. This was in the 60s or early 70s.
It seems like you could almost describe Katie's exit and divorce from Tom as "surgical." Done with surgical precision and greatly improved life results and prognosis for happiness!
They say Kristine Alley was scrubbing bathroom floors
Cleaning a bathroom with a toothbrush was something my father had to do when he was in the marines in the 1950s.
Hopefully one day Katie will do a tell all interview and expose Scientology
She probably has a billion year NDA
Every time I think about Katie's great escape I think about the last movie from the Twilight saga, Breaking Down 2, where Bella plot her daughter's escape and gathers the vampires to witness to try to talk the Vulturis out of the idea of taking Bella's daughter. Seriously Katie, who moved to NYC, was out and about all the time using the paps as a shield against the church, and was being seen so they couldn't easily harm her in the wild. And she didn't want to take them down, she just wanted to take her child out.
Sounds like leaving an abusive partner!
Don’t forget, Shelly Miscavige was thinking of leaving David. She hasn’t been seen since. You can be sure she is locked up somewhere in some prison, if indeed she is still alive!
Leah Remini has talked about that in her series about Scientology as they were friends. She was at Tom Cruises wedding to Katie and asked where is Shelley? That’s what started her journey to leave.
What has happened to her?
I can't believe that people aren't investigating this...... it makes no sense....
Depending on the state physically stopping a person from "moving" / leaving a room, a building etc can be an assault and in other states it can be considered kidnapping.
Yes. I’m Indiana it’s called false imprisonment. If someone even blocks a doorway preventing another person from leaving. I’m not sure about now but at one point it’s illegal to lock doors in a building and not allowing a person or persons access to leave. Even if it’s not intent to commit a crime.
Yeah I know in NY it can be considered unlawful imprisonment. I know that sounds like locking someone up but it can be something like trying to stand in a doorway.
Cults do that and it's very difficult to outsmart them
The rules and laws don’t apply to Scientologists. They make their own rules.
@@cazsmith2358 They can think that all they want however its not how the law works. I would have 0 issues arresting scientologists for obstruction + for interfering in my investigations.
If I ever meet Tom Cruise I’m going to look him right in the eye and say ‘Tom, very well done.’ and then walk away. The likelihood of ever meeting him is probably zero but it is always good to be prepared.
Many people don't know this about Tom Cruise, but for a short time he worked packing Fudge at a candy company in Colorado.
It makes you wonder how many of these famous people in Scientology really don’t want to be there anymore but either feel stuck or have quite literally been caught trying to leave and are now “in trouble” for it and being watched/controlled more closely
Could be Stockholm Syndrome
They like their careers
Wonder how many of them MUTUALLY want to leave, but are too afraid of everyone around them drawing attention. Like, three people that work together, all three secretly want to leave, none of them say anything to the other two for fear that they’d be “the odd man out”, and be disciplined. All of them thinking each other is a staunch Scientologist since everyone would be feigning loyalty... What a sad prospect...
Physically putting your hands on someone - even if nonviolent - is misdemeanor assault/battery. Scientology’s training material instructing auditors to physically laying hands on someone should count as evidence of a repeated pattern of the intent to commit assault to influence behavior in others.
Even the way Aaron says oh yea “I was good at it” shows that even though he’s not in it anymore they kind of make u proud that ur able to use the skills they teach you. He sounded proud of it even though they are saying how wrong it is.
I noticed that also
I feel so sorry for what poor Katie Holmes lived through, sounds like a nightmare (prison). Tom and David both sound like controlling narcissists, so glad she's free now and living a happier life with her daughter.
"Poor Katie Holmes"? That's hysterical. Feeling sorry for a beautiful, rich, successful woman, and apparently, a well-protected and well-loved daughter. Yeah, I can see your point.
@@judithrandall4690money does not undo the trauma. Can't buy off your own brain or psyche
All involved in the rescue deserves an award, to her dad best director , ,Katie an Oscar Suri no longer has to be Siri s sister , the honourary award to the author of the manuscript . Devine intervention when your dealing with that kind of level of evil .
Putting your hands on someone and preventing someone from leaving. Is assault!