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Комментарии • 656

  • @petegeorge1994
    @petegeorge1994 2 месяца назад +87

    Paddock are lucky to have Joe btw. Constantly spoken down to when he doesn’t deserve it

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад +10

      Jay and Joe need to start their own channel! They need to distance themselves from Ste and Adam

    • @nkd8216
      @nkd8216 2 месяца назад +2

      Because Joe talks utter wibble

    • @buffywhatever1093
      @buffywhatever1093 2 месяца назад +1

      Ste has conversations like he’s constantly stuck on twitter. He needs to be right. But I’m not bothered, I enjoy it.

    • @cyanfox1911
      @cyanfox1911 2 месяца назад

      He is a weapon always drinking the deluded England fan coolaid this the guy with the massive hard on for Maguire he thinks he is one the best defenders ever blokes a clown don't like it when ste schooling him

    • @rishikamath6718
      @rishikamath6718 2 месяца назад

      I think that's just the dynamic between them and they've been around

  • @chrisolive464
    @chrisolive464 2 месяца назад +202

    I think everyone on this channel has legitimate and pretty well reasoned arguments but i honestly feel like jo has the most balanced views and doesn't get the opportunity to voice them without being interrupted constantly.

    • @shanonpeters1702
      @shanonpeters1702 2 месяца назад +1

      Bro!!! The truth!

    • @jonathanmartin4125
      @jonathanmartin4125 2 месяца назад +6

      I agree. I think does pander to Ste a bit which annoys me. I love Joe but Ste has a massive ego

    • @tomrichards3755
      @tomrichards3755 2 месяца назад +3

      He’s right though 😂 best squad on paper easy route to the final Ste spot on!

    • @tomrichards3755
      @tomrichards3755 2 месяца назад +1

      England save my moments of brilliance or bad decisions last min goal against Slovenia had to go pens with the Swiss best performance was semi final but saved by one moment with that squad should be walking those games

    • @brosgee
      @brosgee 2 месяца назад

      Cos he talks crap sometimes

  • @Mr._Kobayashi
    @Mr._Kobayashi 2 месяца назад +188

    you tricked me into thinking this was a video about Zirkzee yet here we are talking about bloody Gareth Southgate FFS

    • @AR21
      @AR21 2 месяца назад +8

      Thanks you just saved me from watching the video 😂

    • @84rcj
      @84rcj 2 месяца назад +4

      im 20 minutes through wondering who gives a fuck about gareth southgate.

    • @kirangill7681
      @kirangill7681 2 месяца назад

      Don’t really wanna hear anything about GS

    • @JoeChard
      @JoeChard 2 месяца назад

      Welcome to paddock mate!

    • @thomasmartin6299
      @thomasmartin6299 2 месяца назад

      lol I was like wtf

  • @michaelfranklin3849
    @michaelfranklin3849 2 месяца назад +57

    Ste literally thinks he is a professional football manager 😂

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад

      🤣

    • @sloppygoo
      @sloppygoo 2 месяца назад

      By definition he is. He is paid to be the manager of a football team

    • @sloppygoo
      @sloppygoo 2 месяца назад

      To anyone missing the joke ^

  • @maninthebox1678
    @maninthebox1678 2 месяца назад +147

    Does Ste move the goals posts this much during Paddock training sessions?

    • @Olosomerollers
      @Olosomerollers 2 месяца назад +3

      😂😂😂

    • @freeindeed13
      @freeindeed13 2 месяца назад +8

      Like a defensive politician unable to admit the glaring truth that Southgate has been in any way successful.

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад +1

      Ste’s a bully and about as even minded and objective as one too 🙄

    • @willbowen4488
      @willbowen4488 2 месяца назад +1

      when they lose like 5-0 most weeks lmao

    • @mosesjuice2
      @mosesjuice2 2 месяца назад +5

      I honestly believe he is a trans Vicky Pollard.

  • @DailyBrainBenderTV
    @DailyBrainBenderTV 2 месяца назад +43

    Joe is absolutely spot on with the Southgate debate. To a tee. He check mates Ste with the ETH comparison.

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад +2

      100%

    • @nkd8216
      @nkd8216 2 месяца назад

      He isn’t

    • @cyanfox1911
      @cyanfox1911 2 месяца назад

      man crazy how deluded English fans are so high on the English deluded coolaid you watch when spain butt fuk southgate and england all you deluded fans will suddenly snap out of it and be crying for Southgate head and how crap he is just watch

    • @incognegro5192
      @incognegro5192 2 месяца назад

      ETH is miles BETTER than southgate, no comparison.

  • @terence.pereira
    @terence.pereira 2 месяца назад +21

    21:10 ABSOLUTELY agree with Howson here. If Southgate had his way, he'd have never played Kobbie in this tournament. Mainoo literally saving him against the Netherlands.

    • @RickyLafleur-t5o
      @RickyLafleur-t5o 2 месяца назад

      He's in the team and it's Southgates way. What a silly comment

    • @terence.pereira
      @terence.pereira 2 месяца назад +1

      @@RickyLafleur-t5o not really though. Mainoo could have been introduced way earlier, but Southgate tried his best to avoid that.

    • @RickyLafleur-t5o
      @RickyLafleur-t5o 2 месяца назад +1

      @@terence.pereira that's how smart people deal with young players. Why expose him too early? Why burn him out? Why show your tactics and personell for knockout games to opposition. Sometimes you have to add context and hold some situational awareness instead of being ready to point the finger at somebody you've already judged.

  • @Taporeee
    @Taporeee 2 месяца назад +20

    Ste. It's grating

  • @paulogden27
    @paulogden27 2 месяца назад +20

    Ste talks fucking knackers when it comes to international football. Hates for the sake of it.

    • @Mandinka711
      @Mandinka711 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes !!! It's a f'ing United channel but here they are talking shit about GS and England.....must be time for the next car payment eh Ste.

    • @sloppygoo
      @sloppygoo 2 месяца назад

      @@Mandinka711”love United hate England” is a saying for a reason you can’t be mad when they act in line with how most real United fans do

    • @Mandinka711
      @Mandinka711 2 месяца назад

      @@sloppygoohe talks shit about GS playing shit football and getting to finals. ETH played shit football and got to finals. GS just needs to win one. If he does, Ste will still think he’s shit when there are no other real differences between him and ETH at that point.
      It remains to be seen what ETH will do with a proper structure. I for one have always been ETH in for what it’s worth.

  • @zimcoder
    @zimcoder 2 месяца назад +19

    Howson keeps moving the goal posts just to rubbish Southgate.. this guy has zero logic.

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад

      Absolutely

    • @luchito1337
      @luchito1337 2 месяца назад

      Nah you two melts are to stupid to understand his points 😂

    • @RickyLafleur-t5o
      @RickyLafleur-t5o 2 месяца назад

      I think he is trying to be a knob

  • @Jay-B87
    @Jay-B87 2 месяца назад +509

    I like Ste but the non stop unnecessary shouting gets too much sometimes tbh. He thinks he's always right, gets tiresome.

    • @omarismail8585
      @omarismail8585 2 месяца назад +31

      Agreed.

    • @brad2theboneibiza
      @brad2theboneibiza 2 месяца назад +17

      Aww didums 😢

    • @dessertstorm7476
      @dessertstorm7476 2 месяца назад +30

      Everyone shouts at Joe, he has that kind of face.

    • @Jay-B87
      @Jay-B87 2 месяца назад +11

      ​@@dessertstorm7476 that's a good point. He does have a shout-able looking face .

    • @WayofWyrd
      @WayofWyrd 2 месяца назад +7

      I agree with you apart from the liking him bit 12:58

  • @andries_biz
    @andries_biz 2 месяца назад +115

    Kobbie Mainoo will get back to United with a back injury next season from carrying England's Euro 2024 campaign.

    • @WayofWyrd
      @WayofWyrd 2 месяца назад +4

      Apart from the injury bit!!! It’s a funny comment 2:24

    • @bodyconcept2054
      @bodyconcept2054 2 месяца назад +1

      So will the referee from that game

    • @AllieSamaSesay
      @AllieSamaSesay 2 месяца назад

      How is this even possible bro

    • @cjr2131
      @cjr2131 2 месяца назад

      He's played twice.... Chill, I love the kid but if he's barely played the tournament, how could he be carrying them.

    • @EmmanuelgaiDung
      @EmmanuelgaiDung 2 месяца назад

      Back to the sender

  • @united4643
    @united4643 2 месяца назад +76

    Ste just shouts when anyone presents a decent counter argument. He thinks blabbering on abouts stats and quoting his achievements with a Sunday league team makes him a genius at football. Unbearable.

    • @ThatGuy-du3sq
      @ThatGuy-du3sq 2 месяца назад +3

      He has to. These other guys are boring asf. Other than Ste and Andy Tate everyone else are a bore to watch. Idgaf

    • @74Cheshire
      @74Cheshire 2 месяца назад +5

      Feel he actually shouts because they are NOT decent counter arguments. When they are decent, he doesn't raise his voice.

    • @ThatGuy-du3sq
      @ThatGuy-du3sq 2 месяца назад

      @@74Cheshire Exactly!

    • @ThePheasantPluckerr
      @ThePheasantPluckerr 2 месяца назад

      @@ThatGuy-du3sqbollock jay and Joe are funniest people on here and obvs andy

    • @EnshroudedLad
      @EnshroudedLad 2 месяца назад

      It's because Jo is annoyingly repeating the same thing when he's throwing actual arguments to him. And he does it ever so annoyingly softly 😅

  • @grimetip
    @grimetip 2 месяца назад +77

    Ste doesn't half talk shit for a living. Ego is out of control

    • @alexmeechan9701
      @alexmeechan9701 2 месяца назад +10

      He's never like this when Rio's about haha, he thinks he can dominate Joe though

    • @ctgdata9348
      @ctgdata9348 2 месяца назад +8

      @@alexmeechan9701Yh mckolas the same with Joe too

    • @StanKPhlaps
      @StanKPhlaps 2 месяца назад +3

      And people wonder why McKola doesn't appear with him much anymore.

    • @jerrykelleher9017
      @jerrykelleher9017 2 месяца назад +3

      It is a bit much now. Poor Joe just wanted to give his side of the debate

    • @lambert8915
      @lambert8915 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@Stan.k.Phlaps6447 McKola busy with the Club presumably

  • @thetrappedchatterbox7941
    @thetrappedchatterbox7941 2 месяца назад +49

    Ste discounting a manager making a sub that has an impact as pure luck.
    Guaranteed for a lad who thinks so much of himself if he made a sub that won a game he'd put it down to him. He sound a bitter boy because he's not on the level of those he's making content off. Talks like his opinion is gospel at all times.
    Managing Paddock is not Man United or England. He seems a fella that needs a reminder, if he can drag himself away from admiring himself in the mirror.

    • @andyp9203
      @andyp9203 2 месяца назад +10

      Yeah he's a bit deluded on this

    • @Quazzi
      @Quazzi 2 месяца назад +1

      Ever heard of exaggeration? He does this because he finds it funny and entertaining

    • @kevinconway2965
      @kevinconway2965 2 месяца назад +2

      Yep, he definitely thinks highly of himself, doesn't he?

    • @danielmccolgan6692
      @danielmccolgan6692 2 месяца назад +3

      Why I’m reading these comments I don't know, but seriously, they are creating interesting content and all have opinions. Top bunch of lads who clearly like one another and can say whatever they like without taking it personally. Just enjoy the content and don't try to pick people out. Ste’s whole point is that Southgate has the best England team ever and they never seem to be able to play a decent game of football consistently. That's it. Up the Paddock.

  • @dhruvsanjaykumar2582
    @dhruvsanjaykumar2582 2 месяца назад +23

    The angry bear is back 😂

  • @ScottFord-qw3lg
    @ScottFord-qw3lg 2 месяца назад +20

    I think Ste had some of this bottled up 😂 Best therapy session ever, Jo caught the whirlwind though poor lad

  • @eugenenell2547
    @eugenenell2547 2 месяца назад +6

    Ste is actually unreasonable on Southgate. If United scammed our way through a UCL campaign only playing like RB Salsburg/Rangers level teams he would be raving about Ten Hags ability to grind out results when it matters most. "Can only beat the team that's put in front of you" is like one of his main lines, but when it's Southgate it's "Oh who have they beat?"

    • @yingyang1008
      @yingyang1008 2 месяца назад

      Scoring a last minute equalizer against a league 2 team, with only one shot on goal all game
      You'd be happy with that?

    • @Mandinka711
      @Mandinka711 2 месяца назад

      @@yingyang1008 you've missed the point.

  • @josephoneill5026
    @josephoneill5026 2 месяца назад +12

    The obvious credit Southgate gets is that he's prepared this team to win penalties. Very hard to progress in a major competition without winning penalties.

  • @raph2295
    @raph2295 2 месяца назад +43

    Comment section doesn’t lie. Last few videos I’ve seen plenty of ppl voicing their frustrations with Howson and McKolas negativity and childish behavior on these videos. Paddock, you read the comments, this is just a fact now. Jay/Joe/Ronnie are reasons to tune in. Nobody else.

    • @alexbailey7787
      @alexbailey7787 2 месяца назад +7

      Don’t watch then

    • @raph2295
      @raph2295 2 месяца назад +10

      @@alexbailey7787 I don’t watch as much I used to. I’ll do as I please Alex. You want to be a suck up and blow smoke up their backsides all the time, that’s fine. I’ve watched Ste and McKola since 2015. They’re not the same 👍

    • @riazmukadam6678
      @riazmukadam6678 2 месяца назад +6

      I agree McKola uses this platform now that he's got his shared channel The Club, to fuck about on here. He's starting to cut off Joe a lot nowadays n he's not serious on here no more. Tbf to Ste he's always been de same, u can't change his opinion which is fine imo

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад +1

      100% agree! Well said 👏🏻

    • @zacharybirchley8593
      @zacharybirchley8593 2 месяца назад +1

      So agree with this - I turn off when Howson speaks, total fucking one-up-man, ranger. Boring AF.

  • @marcuss1190
    @marcuss1190 2 месяца назад +78

    Lads we want to genuinely here what you have to say. Respect your knowledge and research. Stop shouting at and over each other. I am trying to listen and enjoy. Let each other finish your points. I am getting dizzy listening to this

    • @detroutspinners9933
      @detroutspinners9933 2 месяца назад +14

      It’d be worse if McKola was there

    • @cnvdh3514
      @cnvdh3514 2 месяца назад +1

      You've clearly never watched anything with these 3 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @Irokeshi
      @Irokeshi 2 месяца назад +12

      ​@cnvdh3514 Yeah that's the problem, everytime Ste is on its the same shit. Always trying to scream over everyone and refusing to hear the others out. It does get boring very quickly. He wouldn't dare act like this to Rio on Five but because it's Joe he tries to get all intimidating and it's awkward to watch.

    • @TonySoprano1
      @TonySoprano1 2 месяца назад +9

      Lmao you guys being upset about this is too funny. It’s literally free content, and it’s always been like this if you hadn’t noticed before

    • @ameyagokhale5123
      @ameyagokhale5123 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@TonySoprano1init😂

  • @martincaldwell6148
    @martincaldwell6148 2 месяца назад +7

    Ste will go mad about not giving him credit for achievements then go on about West Brown being better than John Terry. It’s tiring

  • @LorraineHinchliffe-vg5cb
    @LorraineHinchliffe-vg5cb 2 месяца назад +1

    I love Ste's passion. We need more like him again.... just like the old days. C'mon United ❤

  • @jamest8287
    @jamest8287 2 месяца назад +2

    i think its time we had more of just jay and joe speaking footy

  • @InUndertow
    @InUndertow 2 месяца назад +44

    Ste chatting absolute shite. Can't ever admit he's wrong.
    Acting like 2 finals, a semi and a quarter final is a bad record ffs

    • @bengreenbank
      @bengreenbank 2 месяца назад

      He’s a deluded loud mouth moron. Defends ETH finishing 8th but Southgate is apparently useless despite an objectively excellent record

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад +3

      I wish they would stop having Ste and Mckola in this channel. They’re adolescent bullies who can’t have a constructive debate. Always appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator 🙄

    • @ushmush4074
      @ushmush4074 2 месяца назад +2

      No, he's got points. Southgate is like a drunk child stumbling around in the dark. The players have pulled him through it.

    • @mikeyL575
      @mikeyL575 2 месяца назад +3

      It's a good record on paper. The 2 final runs were easy draws though

    • @elarabymohammed1
      @elarabymohammed1 2 месяца назад +1

      Do they own this channel tho?​@@jamesutero

  • @rana1561
    @rana1561 2 месяца назад +2

    27:45 is where Mainoo lovefest begins and I am all here for it.

  • @raf777100
    @raf777100 2 месяца назад +11

    My god the arrogance of Howson. "My opinion = Fact"

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад

      He’s a stunted bully, trapped as an adolescent. So cringe 😣

  • @vee__7
    @vee__7 2 месяца назад +10

    Southgate is very slow to learn and adapt. He's lucky to have got to a semi final. But can't say he didn't show he's learnt some things yesterday, even if it was almost too little too late if not for Bellingham's and saka's worldies.. His subs stunned me bc they were actually good. Terrible manager but he's gotta get some credit for yesterday

    • @dawudqadri7295
      @dawudqadri7295 2 месяца назад +1

      I've been saying this for a while. Southgate is very slowly evolving and going in the right direction, but the progression is far too slow.
      I think this version of Southgate would have beaten Italy in the last Euros, and loses to France by a narrower margin in the last world cup.
      If God forbid he stays another 10 years, then in 2034 we could win a world cup.

  • @pramiljain19
    @pramiljain19 2 месяца назад +4

    I like how INEOS are trying to run United
    New Stadium
    Selling stadium naming rights
    Not blindly supported Ten Hag and evaluated other options
    New coaches - then eventually support Ten Hag with Dutch new coaches
    Executives - hire footballing people to make football decisions
    Transfers - all of these have unique ideas which will help us with FFP + working on so many things in parallel is also new.. we have not done this in a while 😃
    - Zirkzee - pay 2.5m over buyout clause and pay in 3 years
    - Di Ligt - get out of favor player from Bayern
    - ⁠Ugarte - trying to get him on loan with obligation to buy
    - Yoro - submitted a 50m bid vs Madrid’s 17m to put some pressure on player and may be Everton as well
    - ⁠Branthwaite - submitted early bids and looking for other players in parallel
    - ⁠Greenwood - 30m bid with 50-60% sell on clause
    - ⁠VDB - only 500k deal but with 15m easy add ons

  • @heya_ger
    @heya_ger 2 месяца назад +3

    I love when Ste sits on the fence

  • @Ace-wp7ld
    @Ace-wp7ld 2 месяца назад +3

    I think there is a legitimate chance that if england had no manager at all they would have gotten the same results and possibly better by letting the players sort out things and play in their actual positions.

  • @electronotch
    @electronotch 2 месяца назад +15

    Jay on point about Bobby Robson. Many of the performances were dreadful, and 2 out of 4 utter fails in tournaments. And it would have been interesting to see if Terry Venables could achieve the same success if his team's games weren't ALL AT WEMBLEY.

    • @InUndertow
      @InUndertow 2 месяца назад +4

      It's pure nostalgia. Southgate's done a better job than both (despite being a worse manager).

    • @StanKPhlaps
      @StanKPhlaps 2 месяца назад +4

      I remember Venables was getting criticised endlessly for sticking with his "Christmas tree" formation in the warm up games and the first euro 96 group game, which we drew.
      Then he changed it because of the pressure for the Scotland game which we only narrowly won. The Holland game was the only game in the tournament that we really spanked anybody. We drew against Spain and lost to Germany.
      But people just remember it how they want to. They seem to forget that was our last semi until Southgate came along. Although he's no managerial phenomenon, he learned from Euro 96 that team spirit carries you a long way and that's what he works the most on.

    • @andyp9203
      @andyp9203 2 месяца назад +1

      Jay won the argument

    • @buffywhatever1093
      @buffywhatever1093 2 месяца назад +1

      Everyone used to say Ferguson was lucky with those last minute goals, Southgate seems to be doing the same, so you can’t have it both ways Ste. As for Southgate being a weak manager….Sterling, Mount, Henderson, Rashford, all gone, ruthless!

  • @74Cheshire
    @74Cheshire 2 месяца назад +3

    Ste's frustration here is entirely understandable to me - I wouldn't yell in his shoes, but I get why he is. Making even-handed statements might make you sound more reasonable, but it doesn't mean you've got a valid argument.
    There is a total logical disconnect to "You have to attribute some of the success to Southgate" - No you DON'T... And "Of course (you'd give him credit), because he's the manager." - No, you only give a manager credit for demonstrable examples of good management. How can you make it to adulthood and not spot countless cases in life where things succeed despite a shithouse manager being involved? ANY workplace where the workers are good can still get some results despite shitty management.

    • @EnshroudedLad
      @EnshroudedLad 2 месяца назад +2

      And, People here are giving the ETH example, but Gareth has not faced anything off the pitch as bad as Eric had to. He had the chance to choose a team that he actually wants! I don't understand this.

    • @luchito1337
      @luchito1337 2 месяца назад +1

      They are all melts that are England fanatics, what you said is so true in life upper management taking credit for doing nothing because the workers did their jobs

    • @yingyang1008
      @yingyang1008 2 месяца назад

      Yeah, and he also has the luck pf easy draws and a very talented generation
      His management has been abysmal this tournament, and his football is turgid disorganized nonsense

  • @karlmgreenhill
    @karlmgreenhill 2 месяца назад +1

    12:00 and we get to the relevant Southgate assesment. England would have been back home ages ago if it hadn't been for moments from big players. England's best opposition in this tournament so far had already been beaten by Austria.
    Southgate does deserve credit for the spirit in the camp, they seem happy.

  • @ethanoconnor4634
    @ethanoconnor4634 2 месяца назад +2

    Ste - I’ve been trying to find where a squeak in my car is coming from with a weak. I just realised it’s your nose breathing 😂

  • @blackfish9997
    @blackfish9997 2 месяца назад +3

    The comparison to Seedorf is absolutely correct.

  • @elbapo7
    @elbapo7 2 месяца назад +2

    I in general do agree with ste.
    But I also can't help be a contrarian so here goes:
    Gareth Southgate is a master strategist and on occasion a decent tactician.
    His strategy has been to confuse and neg not only all of us and the world press- but also our opposition. They don't know what our playstyle is- how we might shape on the day. I genuinely feel Southgate welcomes the we are shit narrative - because he is underperforming in order to surprise.
    And really- he does know what might work. He does know the quality (and in particular the fitness advantage) of our players. He keeps this under a bushel to lull teams into a false sense of security, in matches wear then down until the 80th minute. And he is keeping a decent lineup and formation which suits the players until the final match of the tournament. It's poker with a decent hand.
    He has negged us all- and therefore getting the final is a shock and will then get him a better press and possibly a few more £8 millions

    • @sloppygoo
      @sloppygoo 2 месяца назад

      This is peak cope his subs in the quals alone last euros cemented him as one of the worst managers I’ve ever seen and I’m a total neutral not English or even European

    • @elbapo7
      @elbapo7 2 месяца назад

      @@sloppygoo it was intended as sortof satire

  • @romarioedwards9091
    @romarioedwards9091 2 месяца назад +26

    Ste blames southgate for getting england relagated from Nations League but gives him 0 credit for making it to back to back finals is mad, and i hate southgate but come on, he deserves some credit

    • @Ace-wp7ld
      @Ace-wp7ld 2 месяца назад +1

      The talent level of the england team is arguably the best in the world only france or Argentina can arguably boast a similar level of talent.

    • @ushmush4074
      @ushmush4074 2 месяца назад +1

      Southgate deserves 0 credit. He's an embarrassment.

  • @craigcorbet
    @craigcorbet 2 месяца назад +3

    Ste’s logical fallacy:
    Including Pickford, Stones, etc as “world class” to make the squad debate strength stronger vs Spain.
    (Spain 1 vs England 7/8)
    Despite separately ripping pundits elevating relatively average English players. Explicitly mentioned Pickford, albeit elsewhere.
    You can’t have it both ways.
    Either England and Spain squads are closer than we’re claiming.
    Or it’s full of world class players and the media aren’t exaggerating average players.
    The media are wrong.
    There’s arguably 4 world class players for England. As things stand.

    • @youtuberanonymous6491
      @youtuberanonymous6491 2 месяца назад

      You are 100% correct.

    • @Collerz7
      @Collerz7 2 месяца назад

      He chooses different sides depending on the argument he’s trying to make consistently but does it confidently to hide that fact.

  • @vinnyroberts3870
    @vinnyroberts3870 2 месяца назад

    Im not Southgates biggest fan but he deserves some credit for the consistency our teams have had over the past tournament’s.

  • @GLAZERSOUTGGMU
    @GLAZERSOUTGGMU 2 месяца назад +2

    Ste giving his best Andy Tate, "he got the job off a technicality"

  • @InUndertow
    @InUndertow 2 месяца назад +8

    Southgate's not an amazing manager by any means, but the quality of managers at international level is poor. The best managers don't want to manage at international level and the quality of football is never gonna be the same as club level.
    If managing England was as easy as everyone thinks it is, it wouldn't have taken us 55 years to reach another final.
    Whatever you think of Southgate's managerial ability, you can't argue that he hasn't done a good job as England manager. Anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their arse (Ste).

    • @lucasvanwijngaarden670
      @lucasvanwijngaarden670 2 месяца назад

      At the international level player material is even more of a deciding factor as in club football. So Southgate winning games he's expected to and losing the ones he isn't means he's bang average.

    • @freeindeed13
      @freeindeed13 2 месяца назад

      People have played too much footy manager and watched a few videos and think they are tactical geniuses. There is more to being a successful manager than f*cking "tactics". Nobody mentioning the culture and TEAM building Southgate has done to create the togetherness clearly on display. The group BELIEVE, the bond is clear to see, and it's to the managers credit. The facts are he is the most succsessful English manager with the possible exception of Alf Ramsay. Nobody else has come close, and tbh I think a lot of it is down to politics and a perception amongst certain boorish yobs that due to the squad "taking the knee" (that was booed) Southgate is some "Woke" p*ssy that deserves some yobbish bile. What he is, is a class act - as well as being bloody successful! It may be Howsons channel but he's the only reason I turn off.

    • @farookpatel1376
      @farookpatel1376 2 месяца назад

      He plays terrible football and he can’t beat a top 10 side he relies on individual talent as his get out of jail card

    • @luchito1337
      @luchito1337 2 месяца назад

      So you contradict yourself in your statement admitting that Southgate is shit yet since he has won nothing you can't say he has down a bad job? He has one of the best generations of talent from England in this squad and you can't even win a Euros or Conference

    • @lucasvanwijngaarden670
      @lucasvanwijngaarden670 2 месяца назад

      @@luchito1337 England has had many phenomenal teams and achieved less with them. Remember the 10 CL finalists team? Didn't do anything.

  • @nield8
    @nield8 2 месяца назад

    Gutted for Kobbie but I love his ‘take the medal off’ attitude in him we’re going far with that lad boys!!!

  • @diazdiomedes9102
    @diazdiomedes9102 2 месяца назад +2

    Thought this was a Zirkzee video??? What are you on about??????

    • @tshabalala7
      @tshabalala7 2 месяца назад

      Off The Bar Sherlock

  • @Campbish10
    @Campbish10 Месяц назад

    “Is Nico Williams better than Gordon?” Is an outrageous statement. Ste goes off the deep end pretty often and I can still see his side but that was crazy.

  • @81til_infinity
    @81til_infinity 2 месяца назад +2

    Ste hammering Southgate is like a homeless guy outside ya front gate yelling “oi ya house is shit mate!”

  • @stephenorr2516
    @stephenorr2516 2 месяца назад +1

    Ste made his mind up on Southgate years ago and wont budge from it. Southgate is the best England manager of my lifetime, and the best the country has had since 1966.

  • @halapenyo2
    @halapenyo2 2 месяца назад +2

    Ste give credit where it's due. Back to back finals, not easy...not just luck.

  • @oochiewallys
    @oochiewallys 2 месяца назад

    Not necessarily a dig at the others but you’ve gotta admire Joes patience. To be cut off constantly mid sentence and shouted at, and still manage to be the calmest man in the room has to be respected.

  • @daveyp7
    @daveyp7 2 месяца назад +10

    Totally agree with Joe on the Southgate debate

  • @qcii
    @qcii 2 месяца назад +1

    howson was bad enough when paddock started, but he's managed to get more and more up his own arse with each passing day. i'm certain it's reached a the point where the others are finding it a chore just tolerating him.

  • @maxkelly6664
    @maxkelly6664 2 месяца назад +2

    There is nothing more revealing about a man’s character as when he can’t admit when he is wrong. Ste changing the goalpost here is ridiculous, he applies the same metric to Southgate to what he was defending ETH for

  • @donnyblackburn1754
    @donnyblackburn1754 2 месяца назад +1

    Paying a extra 2 million to spread the cost over 3 years for zirkzee shows that we are now moving like a competent club

  • @jaymac6831
    @jaymac6831 2 месяца назад

    International football is more about leadership rather than coaching. An International manager obviously has to set up a team tactically but its more about managing a group of players at a constant harmonious level and get them pulling in the same direction through ups and downs for long periods of time during tournaments. That is not easy and does take a high level of skill.

  • @stainypoo
    @stainypoo 2 месяца назад +3

    absolutely useless having a discussion with stephen, becomes a complete manchild when others have arguments against him.

  • @lanthonyw9130
    @lanthonyw9130 2 месяца назад +1

    The draws we’ve had is the main reason we reached two finals, a quarters, and a semi final. The love Southgate is getting right now is honestly mind blowing.

    • @giorgiob8464
      @giorgiob8464 2 месяца назад +1

      Some fans apparently think England has played well under Southgate despite an amazingly easy draw. It's like mass hypnosis.

  • @seanmoylan6694
    @seanmoylan6694 2 месяца назад +5

    It's hard work listening to Stephen howson

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад +1

      Perfect said! He’s like the cringe friends friend who nobody feels they have the authority to un-invite him to parties 🙄 The way he laughs at his own “jokes” is telling how insecure he is.

  • @NinpoUK
    @NinpoUK 2 месяца назад

    Stats can tell any story Ste, Foden might have had fewer games centrally for City than on either wing, but look at his productivity down the centre for City vs either wing. England's problem is trying to shoehorn both Foden and Bellingham. One or the other and plan accordingly for me.

  • @erth_mu
    @erth_mu 2 месяца назад

    the previous england team had to face some monsters - the brazil of ronaldo and ronaldihno for e.g, this lot had had easy routes to finals and semi finals . in this tournament apart from Germany and Spain, no teams have really shown they are at that level.

  • @michaelcowie2151
    @michaelcowie2151 2 месяца назад

    Joel, I'm from Scotland, and we hate England doing well. However, your argument is true and real. Southgate, however much disliked, is a success for England

  • @deadpool8340
    @deadpool8340 2 месяца назад

    Ste defo a tough listen!! Ego running wild

  • @amselite11tv
    @amselite11tv 2 месяца назад +1

    He isnt a tactical genius. However, Southgate has done something that no england manager since proabably Terry Venables has done since 96 and that is make everyone in that camp very very happy and want to play from him. You can never underestimate how impressive that man managment is.

  • @chappyhall6682
    @chappyhall6682 2 месяца назад +1

    "Joseph I will fuck you up!"😆

  • @charltonbotha
    @charltonbotha 2 месяца назад +2

    Ste, by your own admission, you’re a contrarian. You’re bordering on Talksport-slate-ManUtd level noise. Give the man his flowers, the fact that the rest of the international contingent is shocking, is no more Southgate’s fault that it is Ericsson’s fault he lost to one of the best International Brazilian teams ever. You can’t give him all the critique for getting it wrong, then give him zero credit for getting it right.

  • @dugalcrichton5644
    @dugalcrichton5644 2 месяца назад +1

    Jesus, fair play to Joe for putting up with Adam and Ste when all they do is shout and repeat themselves to make sure their shite jokes have been heard

  • @maximusdecimus111
    @maximusdecimus111 2 месяца назад

    Excellent debate lads. Loved this.

  • @jonathanmartin4125
    @jonathanmartin4125 2 месяца назад

    The one move from Mainoo when he let ball do all the work when it took two men out on the centre of midfield made me think this lad is the bomb

  • @myleshigh4225
    @myleshigh4225 2 месяца назад +5

    The truth is that if Southgate was any good as a manager, England would be looking for their 3rd trophy in a row. Cost England against Italy, cost England against France and stumbled to a final this time despite awful tactics.

  • @HankAstral
    @HankAstral 2 месяца назад

    Southgate has achieved success due to inheriting a coherent pattern of play amongst the young team he started with. Up until this tournament Southgate’s England have played like an under-21 side - free flowing football that has served us very well. We didn’t win tournaments mainly because Southgate lacks tactical nouse and is too negative.

  • @VinYo
    @VinYo 2 месяца назад +1

    The actual video starts at 21:50

  • @yingyang1008
    @yingyang1008 2 месяца назад

    They're trying to do the money-ball thing with a squad that should have finished about 12th last year
    We have a goalkeeper and manager that no other team in the league would touch with a barge pole
    This is all gonna end in tears - we're now a team that doesn't even compete for top 4

  • @USGraham
    @USGraham 2 месяца назад

    Tremendous ep. Love some off the bar. Keep it up lads!

  • @RandomVideosFirst
    @RandomVideosFirst 2 месяца назад

    ‪Dutch revolution happening at Manchester United , reminds me of Madrid 06 to 08 , they had Ruud, Robben, Sneijder, Vaart, Drentje and‬
    ‪huntelar‬

  • @areshensem
    @areshensem 2 месяца назад

    Lol, ppl give credits to Southgate "subs" decision .. man, he been blessed with very deep and quality squad, thats why england always win at the end.

  • @nonso_
    @nonso_ 2 месяца назад +1

    Kobbie Mainoo, the Youngest Elder

  • @topcat1235
    @topcat1235 2 месяца назад

    Commenting just to say Joe is by far the best asset the Paddock channel has and I hope they all know it and appreciate him.

  • @tomfox541
    @tomfox541 2 месяца назад +11

    Howson is eternally unbearable. Makes me instantly switch off

    • @ctgdata9348
      @ctgdata9348 2 месяца назад +4

      Yh I like Joe and Jay mostly - should start their own channel

    • @jamesutero
      @jamesutero 2 месяца назад

      He thinks if he punctuates with a curse word people will think he’s dominant and clever. He’s so cringe 😬

    • @SalfordRed83
      @SalfordRed83 2 месяца назад

      But you didn’t you came here to cry haha…. Now.. switch off

  • @lukehutchy
    @lukehutchy 2 месяца назад

    Best thing about the Zirkzee 'Here We Go' is it saved us from 20 more mins going round in circles on Southgate

  • @alexmeechan9701
    @alexmeechan9701 2 месяца назад +1

    Second half of this is actually decent, much better once you move away from Southgate

  • @IH2K
    @IH2K 2 месяца назад +3

    Getting bored of Stes nonsense regarding Southgate ? 😴 we get it, you don’t like England 🥱

  • @JisokerTFT
    @JisokerTFT 2 месяца назад

    He said he wasn't to add more goals to his game... faith in the youth has me wanting the season to start now!!

  • @frankf5486
    @frankf5486 2 месяца назад +2

    Don't forget the pen was never a pen so did we even win yesterday?

  • @Charlie_Alpha_Lima
    @Charlie_Alpha_Lima 2 месяца назад +2

    Completely 1000% disagree with Joe here. This team got to the final despite Southgate holding them back. Does he really think another gaffer couldn't do exactly this or better with THIS supremely talented lot? Also, imagine how far this team could go under an actual manager like Rangnick.

    • @mufasaisalive5031
      @mufasaisalive5031 2 месяца назад

      Bro, how long have you been watching England??😂😂
      There is no guarantee that another manager can do a better job

  • @espengabrielsen700
    @espengabrielsen700 2 месяца назад +2

    Howson is a bully, let people speak man!

  • @alexmaggs3461
    @alexmaggs3461 2 месяца назад

    Imagine if Mainoo scores the winner on the sunday, think my pants would be off and not coming back on for a long time

  • @jaykayhooray
    @jaykayhooray 2 месяца назад

    It’s really simple for me and my friends all have a consensus on this - Southgate has made more decisions that make me scratch my head or want to bang it compared to decisions I applauded this is a fact. Southgate is a B manager with an A+ squad, so as long as he can keep the ship afloat, it will win the race, but it doesn’t take a genius to drive a straight line but he’s got a Ferrari in this race. For his own standards, Southgate is overachieving atm. Problem is, all the managers before him couldn’t even keep the ship afloat So Southgate looks like a genius right now.

  • @Redvil01
    @Redvil01 2 месяца назад

    Imagine doing a video about Zirkzee and end up talking about Southgate the whole video.

  • @4Bester
    @4Bester 2 месяца назад

    I get it, I am no fan of Southgate. But I have heard Howson say several times on videos that winning every game 1-0 under Mourinho playing shit football would have been great. Southgate hasn’t gotten over the line yet, but he deserves credit for the results if not his tactical ability. He’s got a top group of players getting the results they should.

  • @mmmoz507
    @mmmoz507 2 месяца назад

    Ste is bang on about Southgate

  • @malvernlyngskor191
    @malvernlyngskor191 2 месяца назад

    I see that he's not technical as a manager. But you have to give him his flowers for the semis as Jay said subbing Saka and Kane takes balls,

  • @DSJ53
    @DSJ53 2 месяца назад +1

    Stretford Paddock motto - We’re better fans than all of you.

  • @MattGP01
    @MattGP01 2 месяца назад

    Zirkzee discussion starts at 22:00

  • @Sam-bd7gp
    @Sam-bd7gp 2 месяца назад +2

    Couldn't give a rats about england, but Ste devalues his argument here by being petty and misdirecting when Joe makes a good point. Being so unwilling to give up any ground on any point just means you're too biased to have an honest debate.

  • @R.E.HILL_
    @R.E.HILL_ 2 месяца назад +1

    He is the second best England manager ever. That's not an opinion it's a fact.

    • @ushmush4074
      @ushmush4074 2 месяца назад +1

      How is that a fact? What metric are you using? Are you saying that all England managers are amazing and have had the use of the same tools against the same calibre of teams? No. Stating 'fact' doesn't make it a fact, that is a fact.

    • @adamstannard7934
      @adamstannard7934 2 месяца назад

      Because he's taken us consistently very far in tournaments. That is not luck.

    • @ushmush4074
      @ushmush4074 2 месяца назад

      @adamstannard7934 yes, it is. That also doesn't equate to best. Best is an opinion, not a fact.
      Measure his record against top 20 nations, that metric, factually, puts him pretty low down.

    • @mufasaisalive5031
      @mufasaisalive5031 2 месяца назад

      ​@@ushmush4074I assume you support United. If we beat lower end teams to win UCL we wouldn't be saying this

    • @ushmush4074
      @ushmush4074 2 месяца назад

      @mufasaisalive5031 Yes, I would. Di Matteo wasn't a better Chelsea manager than Mourinho.

  • @ThunderChild91
    @ThunderChild91 2 месяца назад

    Interesting chat about ply metrics, I reckon Malacia might benefit from that sort of work over the summer and surprise a few this year. Provably others too… 21 here we come 🔴

  • @Wrioncnkiye
    @Wrioncnkiye 2 месяца назад

    As an non-English United fan, England can keep Southgate as their manager for the rest of his life.

  • @Kerwinnn
    @Kerwinnn 2 месяца назад +4

    Stephen Howson actin' a fool 😅

  • @mattchupichu2179
    @mattchupichu2179 2 месяца назад

    That focus on jay for "21 before hes 21" 😂

  • @darkknightz007E
    @darkknightz007E 2 месяца назад

    Joe seems to have conveniently forgotten the context to G. Southgate runs to the competitions.

  • @RYAN1710
    @RYAN1710 2 месяца назад

    You never mentioned the fact it’s written in the stars for kobbie mainoo to score one of the best goals international football has ever seen to win the game on Sunday