Tim Jenkins: Justin Fields is becoming the 'perfect scapegoat' | Bernstein & Holmes
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Tim Jenkins breaks down the tape from Justin Fields' performance against the Chiefs. Tim says there several compounding problems going on at the same time for the Bears offense. Bernstein & Holmes react to the analysis while question how the coaching staff can improve.
#ChicagoBears #JustinFields #nfl
Thumbnail images provided by Getty Images
Subscribe for the latest Chicago sports news & videos!!
WEEKDAY SCHEDULE:
Mully & Haugh Show | 5:30 am to 10:00 am CST
Bernstein & Holmes Show | 10:00 am to 2:00 pm CST
Parkins & Spiegel Show | 2:00 pm to 6:00 pm CST
Listen live at t.co/SUrgd6d6uu
Watch live on Twitch at / chicago670thescore
Follow 670 the Score on social media:
/ 670thescore
/ 670thescore
/ 670thescore
www.instagram....
The Bears in their current 0-13 streak have given up 437 points. Thats an average of giving up 33.61 points per game. Last I checked, Fields doesn't play defense. It should not be all on the quarterback.
Last I checked with those scores you should atleast be getting a ton of garbage time stats
how many ppg does the offense average
They are nailing it. It’s exactly what is going on. As a men’s gymnastics coach, I see this so clearly.
Tim says all the right things about this situation. It's rare u see media guys talk about the bears and point out other major factors outside of Justin
Really? I think every thing I've heard has also mentioned the lack of talent on the roster, especially defense. But QB is the single most important position in the NFL and theirs sucks. Obviously that's going to be topic of conversation.
It seems that veteran quarterbacks come to Chicago to begin the ending of their careers.... and rookie quarterbacks come to Chicago to end the beginning of their careers. Why does the Bear organization hate quarterbacks?
@Laurence Holmes I'm 52 and have watched football since I was a child and I give you credit for asking the best question one can ask with regards to American football. At the 13:38 mark, you asked, "How do coaches learn to be better coaches?"
That was it…..
The offense is a total mess. It's too predictable, and we have too many of the same plays back to back to back. Yes, Justin isn't playing well, but there is more too it than just him. Then we keep stopping Justins best asset (the ability to use his legs) by forcing him to stay in pocket and just make read after read hoping and waiting for someone to get open.
Chicago has a great history of just scapegoating their QB when the real problem is the ownership
exactly nobody else fault but them sorry owners who are stuck in they ways.
Owners suck but they also don’t handle the day to day with the players, they just fund the whole operation. Vision is ultimately executed by Poles and Warren, for better or worse. Poles was a solid hire at the time, but the entire coaching staff is very, very bad. I can’t remember the last game the Bears weren’t completely outcoached.
Ownership just invested close to $100 Million into free agents & draft picks. Why is ownership the problem?
@davidskinner5265 have you seen the last 40 years?
The owners?? You realize it's the same owners as in '85? 😂😂😂
Finally!!! Now we are putting it all together. Fields isnt perfect but the coaches arent coaching well and thats a big deal in young player development
Also, i think the coaches are more afraid of the line being terrible, more than they dont trust Fields.
This concerns me, if the coaching staff doesn't trust Fields then they are indirectly saying they don't trust their own coaching. If the Bears offense is simple, then Getsy lacks imagination or his knowledge is limited. Help Justin out by running the ball and giving him easy completions
The problem is that just as they said Getsy's experience was with a guy who basically didn't NEED him. He had no record of actually developing a young QB so he doesn't know how to give him consumable parts while still creating an offense that works
@@wupapi39 ...and this is what people don't get. Getsy is not seasoned. He's still learning on the job. Not good for Fields
Or he lacks a QB capable of running a more complex offense...
@@TheMattTrakker Gesty had no experience as a play caller nor as a OC. Stop blaming Fields, who is very intelligent and has scored higher than anyone on the NFL IQ tests.
Players and coaches have failed to live up to expectations. It's correctable. Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren should come up with solutions to the problems. They are both analytical people.
Thanks for this post. I really don’t get the attachment to Poles. All he has proven is that he can deconstruct a roster. Nothing he’s done since that has proven he knows anything about roster building. Velus Jones shouldn’t be on an NFL roster, Claypool should’ve been cut during training camp, his LT is a backup swing tackle at best, his coaching hire is a joke and the Bears are now the Lions.
If This Were basketball general manager Poles would have passed on Michael Jordan to get Sam Perkins.
Poles has already demonstrated that his moves and staff hires have completely blown up in his face.
Kevin Warren is not here for the football side of it.
Poles has done nothing except tear this team down and make us losers. Not one thing he's done has been above average. Not one
I really like the way Jenkins is trying to analyze the play designs & the issues with the receivers not creating space. The other thing is that the Bears were playing with a makeshift offensive line due to injuries. More than any other unit, offensive lines thrive on continuity. Without that familiarity, there are way too many breakdowns. Also, defenses win championships... and the Bears have so many new guys on defense that they still have not been able to gel. And when you are playing a well-oiled machine like the Chiefs' offense, you just can't have so many breakdowns... 'cuz you're gonna get burned! I have to keep reminding myself that GM Poles preaches patience. The Bears are only beginning the 2nd year of Poles' 4-Year Plan to bring a championship level team back to Chicago. He was hired due to his Plan & we need to watch it play out. As a fan, I seem to always want instant success. In sports & in life, good to great things just don't happen overnight.
Everything you said is right but I just want add that they still haven't been able to address the lack of pass rush.I think Carter would have been a much nicer piece than Wright but ownership didn't want him. He's the perfect 3 technique they need right now and he would have led to a 2-1 record at this point
@@theeeanomaly4281 Time will tell as far as the decision to draft Wright rather than Carter. However, to say Carter would have "led to a 2-1 record" is easy to say, but one guy would not have made that big of a difference. And Carter is better off with the Eagles where they already have a nice group of veterans to keep his personal reckless actions in check.
I agree that great things do not happen overnight. The problem is that it has been overnight for years now with the Bears. We have been waiting for these plans to succeed for years. And we keep getting garbage.
I will wager that this 4-year plan will come to nothing, just like every other plan. They will once again fizzle. I want to be wrong, but I have history on my side, and the utter burden of proof is on them to prove me wrong.
You all should watch Chase Daniels breakdown of the game film . He does a good job of breaking the plays down . Justin is not as bad as all these people are saying
This is good. So many great points!!!!
Nice to hear from someone actually breaking down the tape instead of fans with a mic making conclusions from box scores.
I wish more bears fan obtained football IQ. I understand we in a very hard situation. But to blame this QB or put him on the hotseat is absolutely ridiculous. He doesn’t deserve this & these coaches are covering their asses because they know the real reason why we have no success. What makes it worst is we don’t have leaders who can hold everyone accountable including themselves from the coaching staff!!!
No one is blaming Justin Fields for everything wrong with the team.
They are simply saying that he isn't the guy.
By the way, the coaches haven't blamed him either.
A Qb as bad as Fields is gonna make any coach look bad.
no one thinks it's *all* his fault, but a lot of it is. there's only so much coaching can do when your quarterback can't handle the basics of the position. it's like putting some random person off the street in at qb and getting upset at coaching for them not being good. anyone that watched him at ohio state knew there was a very real possibility that this could be an outcome. he was a historically bad passer last year on top of that so it's your own fault for setting your expectations too high.
4-5 in games he missed
They don't want him as QB they getting fired and fields won't be a 🐻 next year.
The NFL is about adaptability, Fields had success last year and the league adapted to defend his running. It is on him and the offense to find new ways to use him since what worked last year wont be the same
You are on the right track except it takes time to develop a more effective offensive line and a defense that can work together to get the ball back into the offense's hands. Without that happening, Fields & the offense is stuck always playing from behind. A perfect parallel is baseball. If the pitching and defense is lacking, too much pressure is put on the offense to put runs on the board. Defense produces wins in both football & baseball. And it's a combination of both that wins championships!
@ blizzard.... it's on the coaches to continue adjusting. Fields doesn't call plays
The reason why Miami threw all over the Broncos is because it was a very middle and spread offense and thats really how they are successful with great running
Luke Getsy and Matt Eberflus aught to be let go before Justin.
At this stage of team development, getting rid of Getsy, Eberflus or Fields is a horrible solution.
@@davidskinner5265 why would getting rid of Getsy be bad
Been saying it since last year...the coaching staff had a pre-determined idea of what they wanted to do regardless of whether it suits Justin. Other than the few games LY where they changed the offense this staff has coached him from a "Take it or leave it" perspective...unfortunately what they're putting on tape is so poor they are likely impacting their own chances of surviving the season. They've been operating as if they DEFINITELY will get another chance in Chicago if Fields doesn't work out but I don't think they should and really hope they don't if this continues.
exact same thing happened with the Matt Nagy experiment with trubisky .
I love that Tim slipped a “Getsky” in there 16:19 😂
Perfect analysis regarding the Bears and Justine.
I’m somewhat surprised that for someone that analyzes for a living, he hasn’t drawn a definitive conclusion on Justin Fields. Two different coaches, one who went to the playoffs the prior year with Mitch Trubisky, almost 30 game started, a horrendous record, horrendous stats, And we’re still holding onto a few flash plays? Not sure if you know what the definition of an NFL bust is, but it’s someone that was talented that didn’t live up to expectations. Mitch Trubisky was a phenomenal athlete, so were a bunch of other guys they couldn’t put it together to earn the name NFL bust. so again, why are we hanging on to Justin Fields running ability and strong arm? Unathletic quarterbacks have succeeded for decades because they had the mental game. Fields does not. Can’t believe we’re still making excuses for this kid
I'm pretty sure that Fangio's defense was the main reason the Bears went to the playoffs in 2018. There were questions about Nagy's offense by week 10 in 2018. Mitch was run out of town because he "couldn't play" even though we saw that regardless of who was at quarterback, Nagy's offense didn't work in Chicago. I'm not saying Justin is remotely flawless, but when you watch the tape, you can see that there are many things wrong with this offense that Justin has little to no control over and it has been that way for 2+ years now.
@@BryanWhite77 Vic fangio wasn’t even on the Bears the year they went to the playoffs. The year before Justin Fields got there. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about. And you can’t blame the offense when Justin Fields had the same exact problems when he was at Ohio State. He never improved in that aspect.
It's never comparing apples to apples because different quarterbacks are surrounded by different players on both sides of the ball. The greats are judged as truly great while winning over time: 8 -10 years.
Fire Getsy and hire a REAL OC with actual experience..the offense will improve dramatcally.
Exactly..... I have no idea why he was hired in the first place
Honestly i would expose Justin fields and give him actual plays and challenge him.
How about the heck with the OC and go back to the days when the QB would call his own plays and see how that actually works
Does any team do that anymore?? NO!!! But Fields has the option to check to a different play... based on the defensive alignment.
I don't want to fight with either side of the Fields debate. I simply want to highlight something that is missing from the debates. There are those that believe that Fields isn't a good QB because of him alone. There are some who believe that the org has failed him and that he can still develop into a starting QB. There is a sub group that is out on Fields because we don't just want a starting caliber QB. I want a QB who we win because of not just when the circumstances are ideal. I thought that Fields had that type of potential and that's why I was all in on him. I'm not interested in having a QB who's ranked 11-30. Top 10 or bust tbh. Once the convo shifted from he can be an all time great to he can be a quality starter, I was out. Quality starter isn't good enough for me to invest time watching games and buying merch for this franchise.
I honestly really agree with you. but there is such a bad element to coaching/scheming that even being able to conclude him as a quality starter Is still hard to finalize just because this playbook and coaching so so poor. The talent is there and If a normal staff comes in there's still a chance he can be the guy we win because of. Good take tho
people buying merch are the problem
Given that he's already on the roster and given all the other needs, I'd even settle for "quality starter," if that was guaranteed. If you could guarantee me "league average" quality QB play from Justin, I'd take it
The problem is, "quality starter" now looks like his *ceiling*.
I can't have that. If that's the goal, then go and get Trubisky back. Go get Teddy Bridgewater or Jameis Winston.
That can't be the ceiling, that's either got to be the floor, or else the ceiling has got to be "top 5, franchise QB."
Please be our offensive coordinator.
Bears fans asking for nothing but top 10 qb. Lol that's like seeing a unicorn and your organization has never had one. So build the team find a qb and go win. It's not all on the qb.
I've learned that people have a very hard time understanding context. The WRs might be wide open, as people won't stop saying to my annoyance, but Fields has 3 rushers up his butt or a LB is sitting in the the middle of the open WR. DBs will also sit further away from WRs at times depending on the zone but they're more than ready to charge and grab the ball from the wide open guy. A QB knows how to read that where the fans dont. And on top of that the context of poor coaching to prepare a QB for the week will really make him look terrible. All of this goes for every QB who has looked terrible.
you can go look at time to throw and see that you're just wrong. If the QB can't fit the ball into those windows, he's not an NFL QB.
Bean a Bears fan for years but only now do I see how TRASH the fanbase is.
Getsy is first time coach for this team, Eberflus first time coach, so on down the staff.
How many times have the Bears done this the past decade.
LET THAT SINK IN.
Exactly
Exactly! I've been saying this. Justin has proven himself from high-school on out, but we are letting first time coaches/playcallers tell us he isn't the guy. The resumes don't add up. Justin's is solid but these coaches isn't yet we are willing to give them qb after qb to practice their scheme before we finally say, your not a good coach.
So who should they get next
2018 if we had Santos kicking we win superbowl with 1st yr coach n defense that was dominate
hey guys, Packer fan here... I'm just trying to get an update on Justin's MVP campaign...
Are they running a simple offense because they're trying to make it easier for Fields or is Getsy just not very creative?
That’s the damn question.
@@Duffyartwork Really? Ok. I'll bite. How many years does Getsy, have as an OC calling and designing plays? 😂
@@UR_Right24exactly go old school, at least try different things, that'd make the team more fun to watch.
@@UR_Right24 You just have to wonder why they haven't tried something else by now. Assume the line cant pass protect and just design plays around that. Something. Anything.
The entire team to Justin..."learn the offense please"
Justin Fields..."no"
Justine is on the wrong team. He played in a pro offense at Ohio State and was allowed to be him and coach Day designed some offense around him, that's what you do to win. I hope he will ask for a trade, I am sure there is a team that would take him as a starter. the Browns may need one soon because of issues with Watson, Cowboys need one, Atlanta, and Tennessee needs one more than anyone but their o line sucks.
The Browns have DTR
Calling Tim Jenkins a "former NFL QB" is like calling me "a former high school basketball player." Like Tim, I was cut before the season the only time I tried out.
Let's get some rhythm to build confidence. Here's how: turn him lose you are losing bad anyway, can't be any worse but may find you have been wrong. use quick release pass plays like slants, quick loos, use tight end down middle like Ohio State did against Notre Dame. use safe side line like down and out for 8 yards. Just dink and dunk, as long as you are moving the chains. Then the defense will slow their rush a little and he will have time to throw deep. Also, on running plays use some gap or slant runs, even a draw, or one where the wide receiver comes over toward center and gets a shuffle pass. and open the offense I means spread them out make space all over the field. it is easy just start with simple quick passes, this would also get him confidence. Write now he can't get out of the negative mindset, you see this as he hangs his head.
Sigh. Tim Jenkins, this needs to stop. I know it's kinda of like your Job to not be overly critical of players, especially young ones who played your position, but let's be real. Justin had opportunities in abundance to prove he can either read a defense or see a receiver open and throw to a receiver open. It's not there, maybe it's a mental thing he has to fix, sure. But this Jenkins guy is digging into Middle Earth for excuses or reasons why JF1 looks so bad. I mean, you can look at the potential in Zach Wilson if we apply the same standard we do for Justin. I see from these Fields fanboys (I was until training camp) far too many excuses for a 3rd year QB who has already been through two regimes. Either you can put on the big boy pants and deliver with some competency in the pocket or you can't take coaching on a professional level. You don't have to be a Drew Brees or Tommy Boy. But, these defenses in the NFL will force you to do things you are bad at. Justin is being exposed. Simple.
Once you get back the click-bate-ey headline, this is a pretty decent and levelheaded conversation. I'd love to ask this guy how he'd think Fields would fare in McDaniel's offensive? He seems to have a knack for getting his receivers wide open, and Tua seems particularly adept at hitting his guys almost in stride, so they can get YAC.
Uh huh... That's called timing and rhythm neither of which Justin has and doesn't seem to care to learn....Tua gets the ball out in 2 seconds.... Fields holds it four seconds and wants to run around playing hero ball.... Tua had 0 rushes last game and only 9 on the season.... Justin and Tua could not be further apart as football players.... One plays QB and one plays hero ball...Tua realizes there are 10 other men on the field with him and Justin wants to make every play himself.... They are not even on the same planet
@@jrhayes6901it looks like Justin Fields does not have the mental acuity to scan the field and to find open receivers. There are plenty of times when the receivers do a horrible job of getting open but there are also many when they are wide open. The problem is he does not have the Instinct as well as the mental fortitude to trust his receivers to catch the ball. Justin Fields is a tremendous athlete but there's more to being quarterback. The problem also comes down to the fact that the coaching staff has horrible plays for them to run. They have about 10 plays which they seem to run on repeat making it quite easy for other teams to figure out the scheme. They should be doing everything possible to give Justin Fields some short routes so that he gains confidence because the aspect of instinct is difficult to home if you are constantly required to throw to receivers that are not open down field. Fields is not doing a great job there is no doubt about it, but Jesus Christ the coaching staff is doing an atrocious job of developing him.
"tua seems particularly adept at hitting his guys almost in stride, so they can get YAC" that's called anticipation and tua is one of the best in the league at that. even at ohio state fields didn't anticipate. he waited for blown coverages which is the same he's doing now. there's open receivers every game but he's hesistant to pull the trigger and panics when his first read isn't there. i swear none of these so called "fans" even watch the games or understand football.
Such a comparison is ridiculous. The two organizations have completely different rosters.
I think what the coaches don’t trust is the O-line to protect Justin. You just said he drops back and the defenders are on top of him and the receivers aren’t open. Justin is very smart. Didn’t he score the highest of any NFL player, like ever, on some sort of test they make them all do? Lack of smarts isn’t his problem. A crappy supporting cast is his problem. And we’ve seen what he can do, this is a WHOLE TEAM issue. It’s also a coach and play calling issue. People really need to stop blaming Justin for the fact that this team sucks top to bottom and has sucked for a while. Didn’t they ruin the last good QB they had too? I’m hoping he goes to another team soon before this franchise ruins yet another good QB. Why in the hell did they try to change his footwork? The footwork he’s been used to and successful with since he started playing? It’s like fixing something that wasn’t broken to begin with.
It's just a time issue. It takes time for the coaches to mold all these pieces into a championship caliber team.
@@davidskinner5265 I can agree with that for sure. They’ve only played 3 games with all the new players. People need to relax. Justin is my nephew. That’s why I get a little frustrated when every other RUclips channel (not you) put the blame squarely on him. There’s plenty of improvement needed all around, including him. I wish they never messed with his footwork
The common denominators is the coaching, the Bears always pick these project coaches, and then we blame the qb. The ownership is the problem, and it has been for a while.
How much of the bears predictability is down to they know Justin's limitations. I get not wanting to be predictable but when you have a bad QB how much can you switch it up while still calling plays that you think your QB can execute. Cause even on plays where guys are wide open, Justin isn't hitting them. It's hard to tell what the problem is. I think the QB isn't helping the OC and the OC isn't helping the QB
Your entire statement falls apart because Fields is not the problem. Give him a healthy, competent offensive line and a championship caliber defense, and he & the offense will produce. It will take time to develop the O-Line & a cohesive defense.
@@davidskinner5265 he hangs onto the ball for far too long and routinely misses wide open receivers. Fields is definitely part of the problem and also not gonna be a top five or even top ten QB. If you can’t tell that fields is part of the problem you need to watch a different sport my guy. I love fields but there is no excuse for some of what he does.
@@ryanrogers52several x-nfl Qb's have said the wr's haven't been open. JT Sullivan being one.
@@MCfact1827 I’m going off the QB school breakdowns of week 1 and 2 where there are multiple times a game that Justin is missing wide open guys. The chiefs could be a different story cause their defense is so good but Justin routinely missed open receivers the first two weeks
@@ryanrogers52 I'm going off the QB school too. Sullivan showed several times where wr's were running non separation routes. And that's what happens way more than Fields "missing open wr's".
Go back and listen to Sullivan calling Getsy's offense, non NFL. Getsy is not a experienced, qualified OC. He has never developed a QB. FACT.
Justine helped C,J, at Ohio State and was better than him. Look how amazing C.J. is.. Got to be a Bear coaching problem and a few player issues.
Dude college ball is a lot different then pro. Look at your ass QB, these coaches don’t care about making fields great, they came in last yr and we’re rumored not to even want Fields Poles wouldn’t of drafted Fields
2n15 degression from last yr 3n14 a franchise record already
(1) Ownership (2) Horrible O line (3) Injuries and in the RG case not playing because of a death in the family so even worse players and being forced to play (4) coaching and play calling being utterly horrible. Justin Fields is 5th in blame at best. Unless he turns a corner and he has the talent to do so and we play some bad teams now so it could happen.... I am perfectly ok with drafting a QB with one of the two top 10 picks we will have with our pick and CAR. If we loose to Denver who just gave up 70+ coaches need to be fired and players traded for picks as until we have a proper franchise QB under MUCH better coaches any other position is meaningless in this modern football/pass heavy way. This guy nailed it, great guest
I'm so glad you aren't running the show!!
When Tyson Bagent was in grade school, his teachers raised their hand to ask him a question.
Too funny!
But not the NFL when he went undrafted
🤦 Apologists for Justin Fields. He was a project QB out of college, and he has revealed his true nature: a back-up, niche running QB. In their careers, Nagy, Lazor, and Getsy, found success with lesser raw QB material. They shouldn't be scapegoated because they couldn't get more out of Fields athleticism than what they were able to get.
Put him under center and run the ball! Once you have some success with that to utilize play action and or the boots. Idk what this coaching staff is doing. Its pathetic
I’m not sure if they know what they’re doing.
How did that work out last year? It's not that simple.
Most of these qbs are being told a lot of things at once. Some can handle and some can’t. Justin can’t. Don’t let this guy fool you
Yeah but it does matter who is coaching. I’m not saying he is Peyton Manning, I’m saying different staff and organization, I’d be surprised if he would look as bad.
Guys, a first time coordinator plus a first time head coach, plus a first time gm....is a combination for a disaster
Predictable! Is the key word they are Predictable, which makes them easy to read.
This is all coaching. Justin is absolutely a scapegoat 😢. It’s sad. He’s a generational talent.
He is? He could always throw to open receivers... that may help
@@Channel_4News Generational talents dont fall to pick 11 in the draft. The scouts cited these issues from his college portfolio. Anyone that thinks that Fields is better than Mr. Irrelevant, Brock Purdy, needs to put down their pipe. He doesn't trust his reads, he reacts poorly to pressure. He had no pocket presence whatsoever. This is not rocket science (even though the 'experts' would like you to believe that it is.)
It's actually a combination of Fields, Coaching & more importantly, time to create development/progress within the entire team.
Only two things to blame this team on. Ownership is one, and two is the Fans who continue to purchase tickets and Bears merchandise and continue watching live games. We need a Steve Dahl moment, burn Bear merchandise on a massive scale!
Looking at the rest of the bears games all the trams are better even the 0n3 teams.....thus 2n15 for bears
Tim Jenkins going around embarrassing himself on many shows still being a Fields truther. Really embarrassing
Or that's just his opinion
@@antmyrick2063which is an embarrassing one at this stage
@@HawkTuaGirlFan even if it's 50% truth then the NFL has a huge problem. Coaching
i feel like even if the bears drafted the perfect qb they would still find away to make him look like a complete idiot. i have never seen them develop a qb in entire time being a fan. they just grab a qb say go be great and when it dont work the qb always get the blame.
This is a new GM & set of coaches. At the end of the year, they will be judged on how the team develops. Previous regimes will not be a part of the analysis.
@davidskinner5265 like I said I have NEVER seen this team develop a qb don't matter who's in charge
A QB that can't hit a wide open receiver, or process information.....is the perfect scapegoat. Because that is the truth. CJ Stroud is already way better. Are the Texans a good team? No.
he threw a perfect pass to DJ moore 35 yds downfield
@@shadowyshutterbugevery QB in NFL history has thrown a nice pass. What's your point?
@@shadowyshutterbugwow, one throw compared to 100 other missed throws and bad throws, just admit he can’t play, there are rookies on other bad teams in the league that can already see the defense better than fields
He had the highest score on the aptitude test, which measures your ability to retain and process information.
@@hockeyfan1799that's different than live action processing
Oh man oh man they are coming to soldier field on Sunday thinking they can scapegoat fields as the problem lmao they not getting out of the first without hearing how we feel this game at home will be really eye opening
8:25 I literally do that pre snap in madden ...its common sense why would that be too much info?
We will not find out what Justin can be until he's on a different team with an experienced Offensive Coordinator!!!
Or how about just a competent o line.
That's what everyone said about Rosen and look at what happened he's still garbage no matter where he went
Exactly, probably with him facing us. If we end up with the number 1 pick. Caleb Williams will stay at USC.
@@mr.t4271I just don’t get it. Even if he stay another year and he still goes #1 he still going to a bad team. Most of the time the worst team gets the number one pick. Chicago, Arizona, right now looks like Denver all gonna be bad for the next couple years.
@@GOODMuzikBoi True but seriously what young qb is going to want to come here?
Fields is more on the hot seat than the coach or the gm simply due to the fact that they did not draft Justin. After everything is done I'm certain that the gm and coach will get another chance with a QB that they draft themselves.
Not if they're losing
Just say what needs said and done; Getsy has got to go, he is not OC material. This is not an NFL offense.
If he gets hurt and Bagent comes in and looks good, that would be one way to determine who the problem is. Very possible with the way this is going
The concentration needs to be on developing Fields
Getsy went from a QB that could run any play he called to having to call the prefect play each time. I'm not sure how easy that is to do.
Fields ended up moving around and improvising. Getsy had nothing to do with that
@mcfact1827 That's not what I meant. Getzy has to consider a lot more with each play call. His call sheet might be a lot smaller now.
@@brianwoody6550 I don't think Getsy is an effective play caller to begin with...this is only his second year. Getsy is not an experienced OC. Fact
The Bears didn't hire a competent play caller in Getsy.
@@MCfact1827 There's definitely plenty of blame to go around. There's a shortage of quality coaches in the NFL.
@@brianwoody6550 I could give you a list of several experienced play callers who were available when Getsy was hired. HC's as well.
16:08 - 16:15 should be on a plaque somewhere
i don’t blame fields at all i blame the organization and coaching
Guys are open. It’s the nfl. They’re not going to be open for a long time. You have small windows. Only a handful of wrs can get open by far. Justin has been a great runner but he has been consistently bad at passing. Don’t tell us about glimpses you see. Any qb, good or bad will show glimpses with this many snaps on the field. The difference between good and bad is consistency. Even Zach Wilson has shown glimpses smh. These people are making too many excuses
I wasn't aware being signed as an UFA and released before the season made someone a "former NFL QB"
If the UFA got paid, he's a former NFL player. What's your point?
The problem is Chicago has a lot of toxic fans that never played football or have been a manager. They are so delusional to think you can built a winning team in 1 season, it take time to draft players, time to develop players, and time for players to gel and have their chemistry. The fans have to stop whining or cheer for a different team...smh
You are spot on correct!
Justins overwhelmed getting to much information what do u expect the coaches go do? They dumbing it down for feilds.
You see glimpses because even a broken clock is right two times a day
You can’t give him more concepts because he can’t hit the open receivers . So they have to simplify it so he understands. But it’s too simple because the defense knows what he’s doing.
Are you really calling Fields football stupid? And he can't hit open receivers? WOW!!
@@davidskinner5265 I didn’t call him stupid. But he is overwhelmed, but when you have open receivers waving at him or clapping their hands , and he does nothing. That’s a failure on him. Yes, the coaching is suspect. But until he does his job 100%, you can’t point fingers at just the coaching.
Scapegoat. 😆. The 1st 2 games there were plenty of throws and plays to be made.
There is in every game for every team. The question is does the o-line give the QB enough time to read the defense?
I think the other part to mention about getsy is that he may very well be great at teaching a qb mechanics, hell, he may even be a great play designer/caller (very debatable but lets just say yes for the sake of argument). His problem in my mind is that he has no clue how to put those together to make a cohesive offense. I’m pretty sure justin has said he feels more on time with the new footwork. Maybe he’s lying, maybe he’s not. But the problem is his timing is not matching the wrs. Wrs r running the wrong routes, he’s having our slowest receiver kmet run routes that tyreek should be running and he’s nowhere near his landmark when justin’s eyes are getting there. You can teach justin new mechanics all day long but you have to cater those mechanics to the overall offensive scheme and it seems like that’s where getsy can’t figure it out
It doesn't happen overnight. It is going to take time.
Getsy is inexperienced and was not ready to be a OC
Cold truth- Justin can't process NFL defenses. Call it what you want. No vision... not smart enough...etc. Combine that with a long, slow delivery and it's no wonder the bears don't trust him. Slow processing time + slow delivery= turnover machine. The coaches see him every day. They genuinely want him to be successful but they know what he can and can't run / process. To blame this on the coaches is lazy and just denial. The "plan" is fine. They've dumbed it down as much as possible. The coaches didn't forget football overnight. They are professional and highly motivated to win. The player just isn't capable of being an above average NFL QB.
So Justin been good at football and reading Defense majority of his life..lol try again bud…everyone on this staff are first timers... But I guess lol
If that’s the case they would’ve benched his ass by now and/or drafted another QB… poles didn’t draft Fields so if that was truly what they believed there’s no reason for them to keep playing him.
@@alexsosa5727 I guess we will find out come this draft. To suggest that the fact he's still on the team is evidence that he's a good QB doesn't make sense to me. He's a first round pick who's making millions. Of course they are going to give him every chance in the world. The play calls tell me all I need to know about what the coaches think of jf.
@@rale3427 So you're saying that he was good at "reading defenses" in college? That's news to me. All the scouting reports I read, and what I observed, indicated he was a v good athlete with a big arm and even bigger wind-up who succeeded by playing inferior opponents and throwing to wide open receivers. 3 years later, those evals seem right on the button.
The only way Luke is gonna get better is by doing something else other than football. maybe try collecting shells, or looking at birds, anything to get him TF away from the bears offense.
Justin Fields is getting treated with kid gloves by most fans and sports media. Trubisky was hammered every day and he performed 10x better then Justin Fields. If Trubisky was playing at the exact same level that JF is playing right now for the same amount of time, he'd be benched/traded/released a long time ago. You all know it.
The Bears coaches know from practice he is not an accurate passer. They are just hanging on to him because he is on a rookie contract and they are trying to rebuild and Fields is not a monetary liability but has a high trade value. They have never planned on keeping him or extending his rookie contract. He is just a stop-gap.
Such an load to BS! It’s like Justin is the only quarterback dealing with rushers and defensive backs. He’s not a good quarterback. He’s lost out there and occasionally he can compensate by running. The Bears have replaced the team around him and gave him new weapons, but nothing has changed.
Justin been good in football his whole life… he goes to organization that has never developed a QB and boom he's the problem 🤡
The Justin fields cope is nuts. I’d bet 100 grand he’ll never get a winning record in the NFL
@@rale3427- Justin played at Georgia (barely) and Ohio State. Two teams that are heavily favored almost every single week. College doesn’t matter once you walk off campus. Three seasons in the NFL matter. If you’re a Justin Fields fan, you should want the Bears to get rid of him for his sake.If you’re Chicago Bears fan, you should want the Bears to get rid of him for their sake.
Also why the f are we not running the ball?
Glimpses of competence just don't cut it. This is JF1's third year and we're supposed to get excited when he actually throws the ball on time to a receiver a couple times a game?
It's his third year in the NFL it's his second year in the system and Fields still feels overwhelmed by a professional offense. An offense that other coaches are calling simple. Not a great sign. Not a great sign for a quarterback with nearly 30 start. The experiment is over. This kid is a bust. Put the undrafted rookie in and move Fields to tight end where he can use his athleticism.
Agreed. Fields is a sunk cost at this point
Fans and media take that one game with the receiver's open and say that that play is Fields play in a whole.
It's been in every game actually... the tape is out there... a simple search is all it takes.
Can someone explain why fields had all off-season and comes back worse. That’s on him if you don’t know how to get better
This is what I have noticed. The people who said he was good can’t admit they were wrong llano
Exactly!! People only watched highlights and stats from college and thought he was amazing
We aren't
@@pjjones9989 4th highest QBR for 10 weeks last season. Was that college?
@@jessefay4984 Still a QB rating, which takes everything a QB does into account.
@@jessefay4984 Our o-line is decimated, we've played tough defenses, and our scheme isn't doing him any favors.
This guys whole thing is defending Fields and never blaming him for anything.
That’s not true. Watch some of his videos where he reviews game film. He’s tough on Justin Fields. He’s just fair.
Yeah there’s this weird attitude toward criticism of certain people. It’s crazy
One guy breaks down tape and says it's not Justin. An NFL QB breaks down tape and says it is Justin. I mean.
Opinions always very from one person to another until the team consistently wins or loses. And even then, opinions could still be way off because there's much more to winning & losing than the quarterback play.
Are you a former NFL qb if you were signed, never made a roster or played, and then waived?
Technically: if you were paid, yes you are. However, I don't know about receiving any additional benefits.
Carrying water for the NFL's bad quarterbacks seems to be a more stable job for former quarterbacks than actually working your way into coaching. Less hours too. These guys like Jenkins and Orlovsky openly admit to being in their corner, and then are given time to pretend the league is filled with fantastic quarterbacks regardless as to their actual performance. This nonsense works on parents you charge to coach up their kid, but it is lousy analysis.
Answer me this, how can an offensive playcaller work with someone who has more fumbles than games played, a higher interception rate than Jameis and Zach Wilson, and a higher sack rate than David Carr? Fields is a walking negative play. It wasn't a net positive last year, and this year they aren't getting the big runs. He swings like Kyle Schwarber, strikes out at the same rate, but doesn't give you the home runs.
Bears receivers not being open is a pure falsehood. I watched every single play and 80% of the time, there was a man open that Fields did not throw to.
JF is good at two things. Running … and throwing the ball while running.
I suggest a player of his particular skill set operate exclusively in the play-action scenario.
The formation never changes. On every single play, the defense will see exactly the same formation. One tight end, three receivers, and a running back behind the QB.
On every single play, the defense will see the QB under center, taking the snap, and moving back to hand it off to the running back, who may be moving towards the line, or left, or right.
On every single play, if the ball is not handed off …. The QB will boot one way or the other.
As he runs, he will determine if there is an open player he can hit relatively easily … or he will continue on foot and gain a first down. The running back is either a roving blocker, or a target.
The defense cannot really cheat either way. They must present a balanced look. IF they bring a heavy line, for example on 3rd and 1 …. The QB can simply boot and run for the first down, or throw it to a receiver wide open deep.
If it is 3rd and 20 … and the defense is playing deep off the ball .. the QB can hand it off straight up the gut through a three man defensive line. HE can boot and run amok in the secondary, a forte of his.
The power of the offense is that the QB can see what the defense is presenting and decide right up until seconds after the snap .. .what the play will be. Even when he has decide to naked bootleg it … it can still be a pass or a run. Justin has the ability to kill a defense on his feet when he’s in the open. Getting him in the open looking for open receivers is key to Justin’s success. You don’t need to think as you run. Is anyone open near me or easily connected with? No? Keep it.
A very simple offense that has amazing power. The defense only ever gets one look, yet it has no idea what’s coming. It has to be ready for a deep pass over the top …. Or a gut punch up the middle … on every single play. Easy to implement, easy to teach, easy for Justin.
As Leila states, “follow the money.” And that comes from the owners whom the fans have provided! As far the the Fields discussions, he is not the guy no matter if you let him run and or sit in the pocket. Move on….
Its Getsy. And thats one thing I give Tim Jenkins credit for -- he sees it. He sees what I see. Fields is being put in an impossible position. Just look at Mac Jones last year -- he looked like a bust. They changed the OC and now he looks like he MIGHT make the Pro Bowl. Where are the rubs to get our wideouts open? Where is the motion? Miami was dang near 90% motion when they put up 70 points last week. Where is the max protection to give Fields more time when your Oline is a turnstile? I could go on and on how this staff is not helping Fields. As for the receivers, when was the last time one of them fought for a ball and won? One of the worst units in football for winning the contested play. So many problems with this O, I could write a book about. And yet idiots want to jump all over Fields?? Ridiculous!! As I said before, aside from Mahomes and maybe one of other QB in the league, there is not a QB in the game that could make chicken salad out of this chicken sh*t. Last point -- its also on whoever brought in (Poles?) this rookie staff last year to train up one of our most talented players at the most important position on this fb team. Why we did not hire someone with experience as an NFL OC is an inexcusable mistake.
I don't buy the logic that Fields is the scapegoat. The coaching, and ownership are being held accountable by the fans and some in the media as well. The entire organization is a dumpster fire, Justin is a contributing factor.
While I agree with what you are saying about the coaches, you are giving fields far too much credit. Most of the time he has the time to throw and he doesn't. He is playing scared and he's admitted it. Too much going on in his head. Think about any up and coming QB that is good. You never have to say, he is one of the lowest in the NFL with release time. Good QB's don't have that stat. Even ones with bad OL. Come on man.
This is why coaches with years of winning records matter. Unlike Getsy. And don't give me the "He coached Rogers" crap. That was like making a criminal be in charge of the inmates.
he didnt even coach him lmao... he was Rodgers side line talkin buddy.
@@Da.Diddler😅😅😅😅 True
What???
Offense is dummy downed to Fields ability. That's the problem
The QB is definitely the lightning rod for most team troubles but there is always truth to some of the criticism. Great QBs have turned bad systems around. Great Qbs come in and make shhh happen.
Justin is to blame for his play for sure. But this organization is a hot mess as well. It can be both and all at the same time. Where i look to see JFs progress is historically unless he's running he's not doing well period. In the NFL he has never been a good passer. And if he has to run almost exclusively to be effective he's not a QB he's an RB. The most successful running QBs worked on their passing game. JF has regressed as a passer. His laid back footwork is not helping him. The lack of urgency i costing him atleast a second or two and elite QBs are getting it out in 2 seconds. Most of his sacks are at 4 seconds. By the time hes set hes lost most open or potentially open plays. Thats on him period.
The Bears offence is way too static.
Also no excuse for the oline still being so bad, our big mauler hopefully will be back next week, he does a great job
It's going to take more than the "big mauler." It's going to take time!
Tim needs to be the Bears QB coach
I think the game plans are due more to how bad the oline has been sure JF1 has a few plays with a clean pocket but when 75% of the time by the 3 count you have 3 dudes in your face how can he make his reads...its like a chicken and the egg thing
I woke up Monday thinking at least getsy or eburflus would be fired. Was hoping both. I would make the ST coach head coach, qb or wr coach OC, and linebacker coach DC. Probably wouldn’t be worse because there’s only up from here.
The bears need to blow up the hole thing. Then copy the lions model. Find smart people to help you find a gm and coach. With all the money and the picks the bears had this team shouldn't be this bad. Dont let the same people make the sam decisions. The bears are lucky to be in this situation. They basically have a do over.
All Getsy know how to do is coach Qb's and Wideouts. Never called plays before