Dan Sickles and Abe Lincoln Discussed Gettysburg Two Days After the Battle. Here's What They Said.

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  • Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
  • On July 5, 1863, in a home in downtown Washington, D.C., Maj. Gen. Daniel Sickles lay in a stretcher, smoking a cigar and wincing with pain from the stump of his amputated leg, the result of a cannon ball on the second day of the fight. President Abraham Lincoln visited Sickles, and two men talked about the battle. Here's what they had to say.
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Комментарии • 259

  • @erichodge567
    @erichodge567 Месяц назад +91

    That cannonball that took his leg was probably all that saved Sickles from a court-martial.

    • @d.owczarzak6888
      @d.owczarzak6888 Месяц назад +2

      Agreed.

    • @panzerlieb
      @panzerlieb 13 дней назад

      Nah, they wouldn’t have court martialed him. They would have promoted him to a position of lesser importance.

  • @rutlandfuel2637
    @rutlandfuel2637 Месяц назад +58

    Best line I've ever read in a history book was by Shelby Foote (from memory so excuse any error) 'Thus did old Dan Sickles exit the war, to go on to other endeavors including a liaison with the deposed nymphomaniac Queen of Spain'

    • @RobertH1971
      @RobertH1971 Месяц назад +9

      That man could turn a phrase! It makes me want to read all three-volumes again.

    • @elcastorgrande
      @elcastorgrande Месяц назад +2

      My kind of general!

    • @Stonewielder
      @Stonewielder Месяц назад +6

      Now that sounds like an interesting story in its own right! I should buy some of Shelby Foote's books, he was definitely my favorite interviewee from Ken Burn's The Civil War.

    • @intrude6014
      @intrude6014 Месяц назад +5

      It’s amazing how the written language has changed since 1860’s.

    • @ml8028
      @ml8028 26 дней назад

      Was this true?? New one on me- history is great we learn everyday. !!!

  • @geraldcalderone5228-x2p
    @geraldcalderone5228-x2p Месяц назад +19

    I have visited Gettysburg several times and have stood at Sickles original position. I cannot understand why he abandoned that place. A beautiful spot to defend.

    • @coryhoggatt7691
      @coryhoggatt7691 Месяц назад +1

      Because they couldn’t get cannon up there.

    • @geraldcalderone5228-x2p
      @geraldcalderone5228-x2p Месяц назад +1

      @@coryhoggatt7691 they sure could. Go and stand on that ground. Don’t say that you have, because if you did, you wouldn’t say that.
      Research before writing. It only takes a minute.
      Here’s your answer:
      Artillery Brigade (monument)
      Captain George E. Randolph (wounded July 2)
      Captain A. Judson Clark
      strength: 600 men, 30 guns
      casualties: 8 killed, 81 wounded, 17 missing, 106 total
      1st New Jersey Artillery, Battery B (monument)
      Captain A. Judson Clark (^ July 2)
      Lieutenant Robert Sims
      6 10-pounder Parrott Rifles
      1st New York Artillery Battery D (monument)
      Captain George B. Winslow
      6 Napoleons
      4th New York Independent Battery (monument)
      Captain James E. Smith
      6 10-pounder Parrott Rifles
      Rhode Island Battery E (monument)
      Lieutenant John K. Bucklyn (wounded July 2)
      Lieutenant Benjamin Freeborn (wounded)
      6 Napoleons
      4th United States Artillery, Battery K (monument)
      1st Lieutenant Francis Webb Seeley (wounded July 2)
      2nd Lieutenant Robert James
      6 Napoleons

    • @philiphales2109
      @philiphales2109 Месяц назад

      CSA Artillery on the far ridge had an advantage in elevation over Sickles’ first position, however, his second position was isolated from the rest of the Army leaving his flanks exposed, thereby rendering it untenable.

    • @geraldcalderone5228-x2p
      @geraldcalderone5228-x2p Месяц назад +2

      @@philiphales2109 that was not the impetus for General Sickles advancement to the next ridge . It was not a better position and it created a salient exposing both flanks. His assigned position was extremely strong and provided a marvelous defensive situation. Instead of moving forward, General Sickles should have used that time to create breastworks to improve his position. As to artillery, US army artillery was superior both tactically and technically to CS.

    • @alancoe1002
      @alancoe1002 14 дней назад +1

      ​@@geraldcalderone5228-x2pIt delayed the Confederates. Messed up their timetable, not Longstreet. Blaming Longstreet has been an accepted trope too long by people who won't get past Lost Cause propagandists.

  • @kennethswain6313
    @kennethswain6313 Месяц назад +42

    Dan Sickles sure knew how to work the system. A legend in his own mind! Thanks for sharing

    • @stevejette2329
      @stevejette2329 Месяц назад +6

      ken - "History is written by the victors"

  • @academyofshem
    @academyofshem Месяц назад +28

    The argument to give him a stature really didn't have a leg to stand on.

  • @mattpiepenburg8769
    @mattpiepenburg8769 Месяц назад +26

    Another great report Ron. You are a true gift to us civil war geeks. Can’t thank you enough. Sickles is an endless source of fascination, comedy and interest- not to mention the source of the insanity defense in the American common law… One wonders if the insanity defense may have applied as well for July 2nd…

  • @jimcarlson2252
    @jimcarlson2252 Месяц назад +12

    My great grandfather fought for the Northern Army as a PA volunteer 1861 to 64 and fought in the Peach Orchard at Gettysburg. His two brothers volunteered the same day but by 1862 were both dead somewhere in Northern Virginia. My hope is he avenged his brothers.

    • @lifeonthecivilwarresearchtrail
      @lifeonthecivilwarresearchtrail  Месяц назад +4

      Thanks for sharing. What were their names and regiment/regiments?

    • @johnlimpkin
      @johnlimpkin 22 дня назад

      The Civil War was honestly the first Bolshevik Revolution. Good Ole' Abe Springstein vs Judah P Benjamin

  • @nanavango9374
    @nanavango9374 Месяц назад +30

    Wow! Great story, Ron. Thank you.

  • @nicholasstephens1349
    @nicholasstephens1349 Месяц назад +23

    What an amazing answer from President Lincoln. ❤

  • @jayfelsberg1931
    @jayfelsberg1931 Месяц назад +14

    To say Dan Sickles had a colorful life is a vast understatement. I may have jumped the gun on this being mentioned, but Sickles publicly shot and killed Philip Barton Key the son of Francis Scott Key, for allegedly having an affair with Sickles' wife. This raised considerable excitement in the national press. Sickles was a major Tammany Hall politician but the murder was cut and dried. However, Sickles' lawyer, Edwin Stanton, created the defense of "temporary insanity" and Sickles was found not guilty. Sickles then took his wife back, a shrewd PR move. Sickles was a "War Democrat" and an important part of the Lincoln coalition. He was the only non-professional to command a Union army corps in the Army of the Potomac that I know of.

    • @stevelounsbery3481
      @stevelounsbery3481 23 дня назад +3

      “War Democrats, while supporting the war, objected to Republican economic policies and to President Abraham Lincoln’s abrogation of civil rights.”

  • @troels4554
    @troels4554 Месяц назад +23

    Greetings from Denmark. I love your Civil War stories, Ron! Keep them coming.

    • @marknewton6984
      @marknewton6984 18 дней назад

      Sickles was a political appointment. Common that day.

  • @francisebbecke2727
    @francisebbecke2727 Месяц назад +15

    My great grandfather was a corporal in the Union Army and Dan Sickles was his commander way up the chain. He was from Elizabethtown, PA and him and some others talked about pretending to not know how the make it to Gettysburg, which they knew full well. Ultimately the decided to show up in time for Pickets charge. When it was over I am sure they had to change their undershorts along with the rest of the Union Army.

  • @chadparsons50
    @chadparsons50 Месяц назад +12

    Sickles was not the only one who Lincoln shared his story of prayer with. I forget who it was, but he shared the same at his dinner table at some banquet he attended as well

    • @georgesotiroff5080
      @georgesotiroff5080 Месяц назад +1

      “…with WHOM Lincoln shared his story.”
      All prepositions (with) take objective case.

    • @chadparsons50
      @chadparsons50 Месяц назад +1

      @@georgesotiroff5080 hi that guy.🙄

  • @CHAZAGE
    @CHAZAGE Месяц назад +34

    Sure wish we had Presidents like good 'ol Abe to lead us now!

    • @thenarrowroad7908
      @thenarrowroad7908 Месяц назад +6

      Well if it's any comfort, you have Kamala now, along with Special Advisor Joe Biden assisting her😊

    • @hifinsword
      @hifinsword Месяц назад +7

      @@thenarrowroad7908 Believe me, it is a great comfort to any of us of a right mind, but not to those who ignore constant lies and projections of their own criminal acts onto their adversaries.

    • @philovance1940
      @philovance1940 Месяц назад

      biden and harris are the worst. biden bad, harris way, way worse.

    • @wallacerose7499
      @wallacerose7499 Месяц назад +3

      Orange 🍊 man 👨 2024 👨🏿‍🦰🙋🏿‍♂️

    • @wallacerose7499
      @wallacerose7499 29 дней назад +2

      @@hifinsword what?

  • @anewberr
    @anewberr Месяц назад +6

    A hidden gem of a YT channel!

  • @mikehillas
    @mikehillas Месяц назад +5

    Fascinating story--thanks for sharing it with us. These are the type of historical details that otherwise get lost.

  • @vilstef6988
    @vilstef6988 Месяц назад +6

    Rusling's invaluable book is available as a free download from the internet archive

  • @davidpitchford6510
    @davidpitchford6510 Месяц назад +8

    Thank you Ron. Sickles was an asp whole.

  • @robertgt1858
    @robertgt1858 Месяц назад +8

    No memorial statue at the battlefield but there is a short connector road named Sickles Ave.

  • @thomasjamison2050
    @thomasjamison2050 Месяц назад +12

    Often overlooked by Civil War 'scholars' is that fact that both Longstreet and E Porter Alexander, in their later writings, credited Sickles with winning the Battle of Gettysburg. It is very true that the hardest history to write is the history readers don't want to read. E Porter Alexander wrote that as soon as he arrived in the Peach Orchard to survey the larger field and the Union still in control of the full fishhook position, he knew the battle was lost. Longstreet might have first come to his conclusion as he waited to order Pickets Charge, but he wrote that he only came to that conclusion retrospectively when he learned more about the progress of the Union Army in the battle.

    • @patferry4128
      @patferry4128 Месяц назад +1

      The “Buford” of day 2

    • @thomasjamison2050
      @thomasjamison2050 Месяц назад +2

      @@patferry4128 Precisely. Sickles did the same thing. He met the pro slave forces in advance of the best position and so had the best position to return to if necessary. Sickles biggest sin is that he didn't go to West Point, which is a place where they just love to teach Civil War history.

    • @dennisrose40
      @dennisrose40 22 дня назад +1

      Yet they attacked there and drove him back because his position had created gaps. Can someone write a bit more about why his advanced position was believed by Alexander and Longstreet to have been determinative?

    • @dennisrose40
      @dennisrose40 22 дня назад +2

      ChatGPT answered with these reasons: though tactically a poor move, the position 1. Disrupted Lee’s planned right hook by forcing Longstreet to deal with Sickles’ position. 2. The fierce fighting depleted Confederate strength before getting to any ridge or height. 3. May have bought the rest of the Army crucial time to reinforce key positions including Cemetery Ridge and Little Roundtop. Yes, Sickles should have covered Little Roundtop.

  • @johnnash5118
    @johnnash5118 Месяц назад +10

    On July 3rd, 1913, my Great-Great-Grandfather Arthur R. Carpenter of the 1st Minnesota Infantry received a 50th year anniversary medal from the state of Minnesota commemorating his unit’s critical role in the battle of Gettysburg. It was given to me by my Grandmother Brown-Carpenter in 1976, I still have it; with the political polarization and extreme fed over-reach affecting the 1st and 2nd Amendments, I have a profound appreciation for the Civil War vets, my G-G-Grandfather and even for the Confederate States Rights cause, despite their shameful slavery argument.

    • @robertward8035
      @robertward8035 Месяц назад +1

      Guess it'll one day be ok to think it's all good to be proud of a Nazi relative too....

    • @josephfreedman9422
      @josephfreedman9422 Месяц назад +3

      About 10 years ago, I went to Montpelier, VT for a visit. Very striking when you see monuments to soldiers who died in America's wars is that the greatest number are from the Civil War. As bloody as it was, I believe that it was a necessary war, and you and your family have a lot to be proud of.

    • @hubertwalters4300
      @hubertwalters4300 29 дней назад

      It's strange, but the states fighting to preserve the union then,are the ones today that are trying to destroy it,and the Constitution.

    • @sterling557
      @sterling557 11 дней назад

      ​@@robertward8035 NASA named a building after NAZI scientist Wernher Von Braun.

    • @NAFOARMY
      @NAFOARMY 11 дней назад

      I live 10 minutes from the Battlefield (Gettysburg), and have for the last 30 years. The confederates deserve no sympathy or admiration from any American today. They solely sought to destroy our nation and tear us apart. They killed many innocent people for the most horrific reasons. They deserve nothing from any Ametican today. I was born in VA, I'm a son of a combat vet, I too served, and know our civil war history very well. The south should only be forgotten or seen as infamous at best. They were awful and killed for awful reasons. Don't respect them at all, please.

  • @marcusaurelius9631
    @marcusaurelius9631 День назад

    The answer from President Lincoln was priceless and wise.

  • @thinman8621
    @thinman8621 Месяц назад +25

    World could use today a man of faith with clarity of vision like Abe Lincoln.

    • @jkenreyn977
      @jkenreyn977 Месяц назад +1

      💯%

    • @CoeThomas
      @CoeThomas 23 дня назад

      last thing we need is another globalist in charge

    • @wprandall2452
      @wprandall2452 11 дней назад

      Lincoln had no faith. He read the Bible, but confessed he never understood it. No indication that he was ever a Christian. The North said they would never go in to free slaves. they went in for pillage, which is what they did, and Lincoln knew it.

    • @wprandall2452
      @wprandall2452 11 дней назад

      Lincoln had no faith. He read the Bible, but confessed he never understood it. No indication that he was ever a Christian. The North said they would never go in to free slaves. they went in for pillage, which is what they did, and Lincoln knew it.

  • @davidwhite8220
    @davidwhite8220 23 дня назад +2

    Sickles was not supposed to cover the Round Tops. At that point, Meade's interest was in extending the line to the S, which meant occupying a relatively low point between the current line and the Round Tops.

  • @Jeremyramone
    @Jeremyramone Месяц назад +8

    The English during those days was the best era of the language, imo, usa and england, especially. Please make an episode on Ambrose Bierce,he's a highly fascinating character. Very excellent channel, muchisimo gracias from San Diego 🛹

  • @onisgagan2481
    @onisgagan2481 Месяц назад +5

    Well done sir…

  • @mikesheffer3690
    @mikesheffer3690 Месяц назад +5

    fabulous. thank you.

  • @timdyer3551
    @timdyer3551 Месяц назад +4

    Excellent episode Ron

  • @andrewfedorowicz4965
    @andrewfedorowicz4965 Месяц назад +6

    I had always thought of Dan Sickles as the guy who almost lost the battle of Gettysburg for the federals. However, after touring the battlefield with a guide, it became apparent that Dan Sickles was the general most responsible for winning the battle.
    He did move his brigade out of the assigned position - which was certainly a cause for potential demotion. That said, the position he was assigned was completely misunderstood topographically (it was about 30 feet lower in elevation than the Peach Orchard), and it would have resulted in the annihilation of his own troops, as well as allowing the confederate line to roll up Little Round Top and Big Round Top.
    Instead, because Sickles and his soldiers were at the Peach Orchard, the confederate line had to change the position and direction of its attack. The discoordination that Sickles’ move caused the confederates to under-support their troops attacking the Round Tops, and break in the confederate line led directly to Pickett’s Charge the next day.
    No one liked the guy - that’s the real reason they were going to court-martial him.

    • @georgemeara2562
      @georgemeara2562 19 дней назад

      Lee had already ordered Longstreet to disregard Little round top and hit Sickles before Sickles moved into the peach orchard

    • @gerryleb8575
      @gerryleb8575 6 дней назад

      I couldn't disagree more. Thanks for posting.

  • @rvail136
    @rvail136 Месяц назад +3

    Say what you will about Dan Sickles' ability, when he was removed from the Peach Orchard on a farm house door, he was calmly giving orders to his Aide's de Camp. He was a brave man despite his poor tactical and strategic vision. Can anyone else say they'd behave half as well having a leg shattered and still be able to act calmly?

  • @j44881
    @j44881 22 дня назад +1

    Wow ! This is like a window into the past. Great video

  • @billk8817
    @billk8817 Месяц назад +13

    Ah, Dan Sickles who killed his wife's lover. He was the first in the country to be declared innocent by reason of insanity. He was a proud peacock and kept his lost leg in a jar in his office for all to see.

    • @samnichles447
      @samnichles447 Месяц назад +5

      Weird Factoid: The victim of Sickles’ revenge was the son of Francis Scott Key.

    • @billk8817
      @billk8817 Месяц назад +3

      @@samnichles447 thanks. Key’s kid would have called Roger B. Taney- uncle, since Taney was married to Key’s sister. Taney was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and writer of the Dred Scott decision opinion. The worst USSC decision in history and I believe contributed to the war. In his decision he lectured Northern states.

    • @markcastle5826
      @markcastle5826 20 дней назад +1

      The Australian author, Tom Keneally wrote a great book about that. ‘American Scoundrel’

  • @HandyMan657
    @HandyMan657 Месяц назад +3

    Fascinating, as always.

  • @conradnelson5283
    @conradnelson5283 Месяц назад +9

    Sickles was lucky he got his story in first. Had Meade got the first story in he might have been reprimanded. But it all did work out close as it was.

    • @karlk9316
      @karlk9316 Месяц назад

      A "shrewd" political decision might have been that it was better for the Union cause to treat Sickles as a glorious hero rather than as a destructive, insubordinate general who nearly caused the Union defeat at Gettysburg or worse, and far more Union fighting men to be killed and wounded.

  • @jackbart1960
    @jackbart1960 Месяц назад +3

    Thank you

  • @maxwellsilverflute
    @maxwellsilverflute 29 дней назад +1

    Ron, thank you very much.

  • @marshabaker6153
    @marshabaker6153 8 дней назад

    That's really cool! Thank you for putting this out for us. Wished I could have met Lincoln but I was born about 89 years too late, lol.

  • @persimmontea6383
    @persimmontea6383 Месяц назад +10

    Lincoln was an even better politician than I thought! He knew that story would get out .... and he needed the votes for reelection. Smart man!

  • @johnwayneeverett6263
    @johnwayneeverett6263 Месяц назад +2

    WELL DONE THANK U.

  • @1776concernedcitizen
    @1776concernedcitizen Месяц назад +4

    Thanks for the story. I had never heard of President Lincoln's faith in God for certain. This story confirms that he did have faith.

  • @keithwhittington1322
    @keithwhittington1322 Месяц назад +62

    I'm with Meade; Sickles should have been court martialed. Sickles jeopardised the entire army by disobeying orders during battle.

    • @catherinerooney5881
      @catherinerooney5881 Месяц назад +3

      Agreed 💯

    • @BDHHulett
      @BDHHulett Месяц назад +4

      I can’t help but think, Sickles, mistake gave Lee false hope and the rest is history.

    • @Knight192
      @Knight192 Месяц назад +1

      Meade is grateful for your support , he can finally rest easy

    • @dinahnicest6525
      @dinahnicest6525 Месяц назад +3

      Sickles disobeyed Mead's order of July 1, by showing up at Gettysburg at all.

    • @vvvci
      @vvvci Месяц назад

      Had Longstreet attacked in the morning as Lee ordered, the Confederates would have blown the Union army off the field... There would have been no battles of the peach orchard, the Wheatfield, Devil's Den or Little Roundtop because Longstreet's divisions would have swept through those places unopposed.
      But fortunately for America, Longstreet was tardy, not launching his attacks until late in the afternoon, by which time General Sickles had realized his awful position in the swamp along the shank of Meade's so-called "fishhook" line, and Sickles, having endured bombardment from Confederate artillery at the previous Battle of Chancellorsville advanced his III Corps to the better, higher ground where are they did exactly the job they were supposed to: kill and bloody and stop the rebel attacks.
      It's a shame that 150 years later two-bit armchair generals can Melina general who suffered bombardment into horrific civil war battles and lost his leg

  • @marybarrett47
    @marybarrett47 17 дней назад

    Been listening and enjoying your episodes. Our country is great danger again. We need a strong leader to guide us and the world to right ourselves. Pray America. Our country needs us.

  • @roberthubal6278
    @roberthubal6278 27 дней назад +1

    Hindsight is always 20/20.

  • @nomansland4811
    @nomansland4811 9 дней назад +1

    Lincoln’s disclosure about praying is interesting. There has been quite a number of times in US history where the right person in the right place at the right time has prevailed, seemingly through devine intervention. Are we lucky or guided.

  • @deanjoon1527
    @deanjoon1527 Месяц назад

    THANKS! Hazel Grove Reborn in Gettysburg!

  • @ToddLucky-z1b
    @ToddLucky-z1b Месяц назад +2

    Wow. Very interesting. Dan S lived a remarkable if controversial life. I highly recommend American Scoundrel by Thomas Keneally.

  • @davidpitchford6510
    @davidpitchford6510 Месяц назад +6

    With his leg off, he tried to get a leg up on the story of what he did at the battle.

  • @adamc.hardyiii1819
    @adamc.hardyiii1819 Месяц назад +3

    Did Sickles have to have an additional amputation to above the knee? I could swear that I've seen a post war photo of Sickles with an above the knee stump.

  • @needsaride15126
    @needsaride15126 Месяц назад +2

    I hope if I'm lucky enough to enter the pearly gates. I see President Lincoln. It would be amazing to sit down on an old log next to a creek. Listening to Abe Lincoln tell stories.

  • @robertgt1858
    @robertgt1858 Месяц назад +1

    Rusling's book is available as a free PDF from the Library of Congress website.

  • @davidholtz6590
    @davidholtz6590 Месяц назад +1

    I find Mr. Lincoln's comments on the religiosity of his beliefs and on Sickles' aggressiveness quite insightful and recognizes the moral factors of combat. Genaral Meade was a general who appears to seek to avoid initiative and offense.

    • @johnschuh8616
      @johnschuh8616 Месяц назад

      I bet he did! But Meade tells us that when he considered a counter attackd he spied Longstreet forming a defensive line to the rear. His calvary would have been decimated, They knew Longstreet all too well. Meade in advancing to Gettsburg from the original position had moved far from the railhead where his supplies are being unloaded. and all during the fight had had a hard time moving them forward by mule to Gettysburg. Further, Jeb Stuart’s movemwent had had the effect of disrupting th Union supply line including fresh horses for the cavalry, In short, as most people realize, Gettysburg was sort of Fredericksburg with the Conferderals making some of he mistake that the Federal had made at Fredericksburg. My personal conclusion ha always been that Lee’s heart attack had left him much weaker than before, and for a man his age, this would have affected his judgement, General Grant’s opinion that General Lee was too old to be in the field. Certainly when one compares the pictures of Lee in 1861 with the Greybeard of 1965, I think he aged pretty much as Lincoln did during those 4 years of high stress.

  • @Johnnycdrums
    @Johnnycdrums 29 дней назад +1

    Amazing that Gen. Mead recommended Courts Martial for Sickles, and
    in the presence of "Old Abe."
    Even if he had a good point, it was probably not the right time to do so.
    On the other hand, so many soldiers getting unnesessarily slaughtered because of sheer incompetance cannot be left unattended under any circumstance, unless with the result of personal death included.

  • @rickbreze7469
    @rickbreze7469 Месяц назад +6

    Sounds typical, I served in AF. Air crew makes hard landing, brakes right landing gear. Can’t retract gear because of it, fly for hours burning off fuel & land. They get medals for saving the plane that f-ed up.

  • @kensilverstone1656
    @kensilverstone1656 Месяц назад

    Thanks!

  • @kimphilley621
    @kimphilley621 27 дней назад

    Excellent Historical perspective. I have subscribed nd cannot wait for the next episode

  • @marcusaurelius9631
    @marcusaurelius9631 День назад

    Say what you will about Sickles, he was a real MAN. Tough as nails.

  • @RivertownCountry10
    @RivertownCountry10 Месяц назад +7

    Lincoln was Great.

  • @StevenDietrich-k2w
    @StevenDietrich-k2w Месяц назад +3

    Sickles was lucky that he had Lincoln in his corner because he easily could have been found guilty in a courts martial. To his credit, the actions of his men did slow Longstreet down, but at the cost of nearly 50 percent casualties. If I recall, Sickles leg was on display for some time, although I don't recall where. The 20th Maine and 1st Minnesota were actually the hero's of the day, not Sickles. Meade wasn't wrong, but Lincoln was the CIC, and Sickles did a great job of "politicking".

  • @jimr5703
    @jimr5703 26 дней назад

    Good story, and well read, Sir.

  • @kabuti2839
    @kabuti2839 Месяц назад +2

    Lincoln was amazing. So many of those 'Old-Timers' were!

  • @jtjano1
    @jtjano1 Месяц назад +2

    Dan Sickles, first person to use the temporary insanity defense to escape a murder charge.

  • @suewarner1781
    @suewarner1781 Месяц назад +3

    Sickles was a politician and never should have been in the military. Too many lives were lost and the battle was almost lost because of him. He disobeyed an order and nothing was done about it. What would have happened to a regular military person if they would have disobeyed an order?

    • @jkenreyn977
      @jkenreyn977 Месяц назад

      Consider this: Democrat is all you need to know.

  • @adamstrange7884
    @adamstrange7884 Месяц назад +3

    Sickles would have been Snoop Dog's inspiration if he was a dj!

  • @jefflebowski2604
    @jefflebowski2604 Месяц назад +3

    continue to wonder what would have happened if Sickles had not moved up - we will never know, and not sure Sickle does not get a biased analysis

  • @coryhoggatt7691
    @coryhoggatt7691 Месяц назад +3

    Sickle’s decision to move his Corps forward helped win the battle. He didn’t “disobey orders,” he saw that they could not get cannon onto Little Round Top, while the Peach Orchard just ahead was ideal… a gentle slope on which cannon could roll back from recoil and be quickly repositioned for another shot. He made Longstreet fight all the way to LRT, which at the end of the day WAS successfully defended.

  • @anthonytripp2251
    @anthonytripp2251 Месяц назад

    Dan Sickles was a character.
    You could do hours on his controversies

  • @dennislodermeier1741
    @dennislodermeier1741 22 дня назад

    Dan F-ing Sickles was personally responsible for the ultimate sacrifice that the 1st Minnesota Volunteers made that second day at Gettysburg

  • @stevenepstein5679
    @stevenepstein5679 Месяц назад

    I misread the title at first as Don Rickles and Abe Lincoln...

  • @stephenmontague6930
    @stephenmontague6930 15 дней назад +1

    When was the account of this conversation between General Sickles and President Lincoln written down? Since, in hindsight at least, it seems to foreshadow Lincoln's assassination (the story could suggest to the reader that there was a divine grand bargain, yielding a Union victory for Lincoln's life), being the sort of tale that was (and is) popular, giving further meaning to life via glimpses into a mysterious higher plan, I wonder if this report was a late embellishment to history, meaning, written after Lincolns death, or if indeed this occurred as described, and to top it off - was first written of before April 14, 1865 - and therefore would be, from our view, however such comes to be, rather prophetic.
    Of course, being written after the assassination wouldn't necessarily mean the story was or was not true - strange things happen, and odd events can and should be wondered about. Thank you for the story.

    • @lifeonthecivilwarresearchtrail
      @lifeonthecivilwarresearchtrail  15 дней назад

      It appeared in his 1889 memoirs, 26 years after Gettysburg. Like many veterans of this period, and all of us today, memories of the past are shaped by the event itself, an what came after. Though we can never actually know what transpired between Lincoln and Sickles, it is fair to state that this was his memory.

  • @DERISNER
    @DERISNER 20 дней назад

    Dan Sickles was unafraid to make a bold decision. He did exactly that on July 2 1963, rightly or wrongly.

  • @JeffDavies-i8q
    @JeffDavies-i8q 14 дней назад +1

    Sickles pushed 3rd Corps west beyond the Union lines on Cemetry Ridge (in real terms a slight rise in the terrain) The new line was on much more prominent terrain and included a peach orchard....His forces absorbed the initial onslaught from Longstreet's forces and did slow the momentum of a hard pressed assault. Sickles made the claim (with some justification) that his action prevented a breakthrough on Cemetry Ridge on 2nd July. A fair point especially as the Confederates did indeed manage a brief occupation of a small part of the ridge but were quickly repulsed. It has been speculated the Lee thought this brief success was an opportunity that could be exploited to the full given artillery support and sufficient infantry. You can guess what happened next................

  • @curtkoehn3906
    @curtkoehn3906 Месяц назад +1

    It is possible that Sickles' MOH citation is accurate while at the same time having displayed incompetent and/or insubordinate behavior in his decision to move into the Peach Orchard.

  • @mirrorblue100
    @mirrorblue100 Месяц назад +1

    Sickles was a poor general but one tough son-of-a-bitch. His amputated right leg is housed in the National Museum of Health. He lived to be 94 and would sometimes visit his leg.

  • @hallmobility
    @hallmobility 12 дней назад

    Perhaps this meeting with the wounded Sickles explains Lincoln's shabby treatment of the battle's victor, General Meade.

  • @tims6970
    @tims6970 Месяц назад +2

    Barksdale and Kershaw would be (with Semmes and Wofford behind them) to Cemetery Ridge and Little Round Top. Sickles would have been on the ridge with Sykes behind him and Hancock would not have been sending the brigades of II Corps to the Wheatfield all evening. Leaving the middle of the line open to Wright and Wilcox of Anderson's Division. Law and Robertson ended up doing what Barksdale and Kershaw would have been doing. McLaw's and Hood's Division effectively destroyed Sickles Corps.😮 Sickles left III Corps exposed on both flanks after deciding his original position was harder to defend. He decided to "improve" his position even if it was a mistake. Against orders. A military case of do something, even if it is wrong.😅
    The end result would have been better for the Army of the Potomac allowing for a possible counter attack on the 3rd day. Which turned out to be an unnecessary risk. Lincoln thought alls well that ends well.😂

  • @tonyharms7430
    @tonyharms7430 Месяц назад +1

    Maybe when Lincoln said he would stand by God he meant and didn’t tell them that he’d offered his own life for victory

  • @jimslama990
    @jimslama990 Месяц назад

    Do you have a reading list of civil war histories? I’ve been reading various books. Grant and Sherman memoirs etc. but looking for more

  • @colinr1960
    @colinr1960 Месяц назад +1

    There are two types of officers that you cannot have.
    Those that can’t follow orders..and those who ONLY follow orders.

  • @Chiller11
    @Chiller11 Месяц назад

    Dan Sickles was the man who actually did “Walk out to 5th Ave (Lafayette Square), shoot a man and got away with it.” Unlike another politician who,so far, has just talked the talk.

  • @Johnnycdrums
    @Johnnycdrums 29 дней назад +1

    What a conversation, of which many of us are inncapable nowadays.

  • @jonathanswifter2807
    @jonathanswifter2807 Месяц назад +2

    What malarkey! Sickles murdered the son of Francis Scott Key, & got his divisions destroyed.

  • @mr.invisable6919
    @mr.invisable6919 10 дней назад

    In my opinion after having been to the battle site, I think Sickles did the right thing. He blunted Longstreet's attack with cannon fire. If he stayed where he was the cannons would have no line of site, he moved forward to the top of a small rise, couldn't see over it, giving the artillery position which they target the oncoming masses. The Union line would have been overrun before the cannon could really be engaged had he stayed in position IMO.

  • @petercriscuolo3090
    @petercriscuolo3090 28 дней назад

    I'm getting that book! 😊

  • @GlennGoryl
    @GlennGoryl 26 дней назад

    Love this. Thank you. More historical pictures - less of you.

  • @wprandall2452
    @wprandall2452 11 дней назад +1

    The Civil War was never about slavery. It was about tariffs and the beginning of a taxation system. Lincoln was not an abolitionist.

  • @ronalddesiderio7625
    @ronalddesiderio7625 Месяц назад

    Didn’t Sickels buy his way to General?

  • @gustavderkits8433
    @gustavderkits8433 26 дней назад

    When speaking about Sickles you should also mention that he was a murderer . He killed Philip Key in cold blood in 1859 and was defended at his trial by Edwin Stanton on the grounds of not-guilty by reason of temporary insanity. Both Lincoln and Stanton knew Sickles' character. Sickles was a general because he was a politician, a war democrat, who was tremendously useful to Lincoln who was fighting a massive political war as well as the military war. It was politically impossible to get rid of Sickles and the cannonball did the USA a great favor by providing an excuse to keep him off the field. Sickles understood the truth that his reputation was hanging by a thread because of his blunder at Gettysburg and spent a great deal of time afterwards blackening Mead's reputation, especially with fellow congressmen, to bolster his own case.

  • @wmorris3484
    @wmorris3484 23 дня назад

    Everyone was surprised at sickle’s movement that after, Longstreet had no strength to exploit his victory. If sickles had stayed the battle most likely would have been a southern victory and we would all be speaking southern.

  • @michaelobrien8661
    @michaelobrien8661 Месяц назад

    Ive often wondered if the war might've made Lincoln a little more religious. This account almost confirms it for me.

  • @robkunkel8833
    @robkunkel8833 Месяц назад +1

    Had he lived we would have had a different world.

  • @nickf2170
    @nickf2170 Месяц назад +3

    How do the "experts" know that Sickles moving to his new line didn't in fact actually save the victory for the Army of the Potomac? I know what they say, but yet that doesn't make it true. Lee's forces BROKE THROUGH the line, what would have happened if that break through occured on Cemetary Ridge instead of the Peach Orchard?? That would have certainly been disastrous for Meade.

    • @Sodbusterrod
      @Sodbusterrod Месяц назад +2

      Well, there is this thing called mutual support which he moved beyond. Shorter lines to be reenforced which his decision negated. Lengthening his front thus diluting his firepower. But the most telling of expert opinion was the victor and hero of Gettysburg, Gen. Meade. Please look at his face to face dressing down of Gen. Sickles when he learned of his move.

    • @nickf2170
      @nickf2170 Месяц назад

      @@Sodbusterrod I don't disagree with anything you said. We still will never know what would have happened if the attack pierced the main line. We just think we do.

    • @chrisanderson5317
      @chrisanderson5317 Месяц назад

      These "experts" also wouldn't make a pimple on Sickles' backside, IMHO.

  • @gerryleb8575
    @gerryleb8575 6 дней назад

    Gen. Sickles is one of those people, who despite seeming to be successful in other areas of life, was utterly incompetent as a general officer during war. If one had taken him aside when he got his star, and drawn a straight line and a squiggle in the dirt, and told him "make your troops like like this straight line. avoid squiggles at all cost" and he had followed that, he would have done better than he did at Gettysburg.

  • @mikedenney6628
    @mikedenney6628 Месяц назад

    Politicians. Nothing has changed

  • @keith3970
    @keith3970 Месяц назад

    And now...let's hear from the experts.

  • @davidwhite8220
    @davidwhite8220 23 дня назад

    Lincoln's law partner once described him as "the greatest infidel" (i.e. atheist). Though not being a Christian was acceptable in the days of Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin (who argued that Hell was more useful than real), it had ceased to be so during "the Age of Reaction" that began in 1815.

  • @thescarletandgrey2505
    @thescarletandgrey2505 Месяц назад

    Oh, so Robert E. Lee wasn’t the only humble, Christian man who sought intervention by our God, that His will be done in the war… you’d think otherwise given the enormous lauding Lee receives for being such a man.

  • @jimdecamp7204
    @jimdecamp7204 24 дня назад

    On February 27, 1859, in Lafayette Square, across the street from the White House, Sickles shot and killed Philip Barton Key II, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia and the son of Francis Scott Key. Sickles had discovered that Philip Key was having an affair with his wife. Sickles defense was the first use of temporary insanity in the United States, and it was successful.
    "You are here to fix the price of the marriage bed!", roared Associate Defense Attorney John Graham, in a speech so packed with quotations from Othello, Judaic history and Roman law that it lasted two days and later appeared as a book.

  • @jameshaxby5434
    @jameshaxby5434 20 дней назад

    Should the Confederacy have sacked Lee, after the horrible blunder that he made in ordering Pickett's charge ?

  • @shawnmoore7666
    @shawnmoore7666 Месяц назад

    Gettysburg was a victory by committee. I honor Meade’s victory but, he was no great captain (although he was a solid division commander).
    Sickles was an anomaly which came into being due to the of lack of success among the professionals from West Point. Had the academy actually developed trained killers instead of engineers, Sickles would’ve never become known to history.

  • @sushibar777
    @sushibar777 Месяц назад

    Nearly singlehandedly lost the battle, which might have meant losing the war, which might have meant the end of the United States of America.