I’m pretty sure that would lower your dps, especially in the most common actual gameplay situations. Consider: 1) how often do you actually fight anything for more than 6 seconds? To test for dungeons, measuring 5 sec bursts for normal bosses, and 10 sec bursts for greed’s spoils or normal raid bosses (between invulnerability phases) would probably be far more meaningful. For even more meaningful tests, first measure your time spent continuously attacking bosses in various content. I imagine the only situations where a 30 sec test would be meaningful for you would be pushing high challenge rifts or gauntlet. 2) your 30 second tests are also not meaningful because the build you’re using clearly doesn’t sustain nearly its maximum dps for that long. For 30 sec dps tests or actual content, you should be using a build that doesn’t run out of strafe energy before 30 sec. If you can’t achieve that with strafe, then use an old school primary attack build or a summons build. 3) before you invest in maw of the deep for its armor break, test whether its armor break stacks with other common ones, such as lingering wounds on familiars (which everyone should use on a broodtalon or skitterwight for the max dps pve companion), other gems like chip of the stone flesh, set bonuses like 4 baron’s, any armor break skills or essences, detested or nettled curse, and survivor (old mastermind)… if *anyone* in your party or raid is using *any* of these, etc. Some armor breaks don’t stack with each other. 4) remember the gem power extraction and transfer features, and consider making gems dormant for greater versatility, versus the relatively small and insignificant increase in reso you’d gain by using every last gem power possible.
I decided to sacrifice Mother’s Lament rank 10 recently for the gem power. I wasn’t using the gem and the advantage it gives is marginal. I would advise for Igneous Scorn to increase the DOT effects. Maw is a gem I built up to rank 7 but I am, once again, not using it anymore as the effect is lower compared to DOT gems, BSJ, Roiling and Bottled Hope.
Same. I had foddered my mothers when maw of the deep came out. Got it to r7 then foddered maw for hilt of many realms (I was tempest at the time) so the gem worked really well. So got stupid lucky on those drops so I was able to get it to r8...almost r9 (during the 50% drop rate on hilt)
@@pssa3215unfortunately it has a short uptime and a down time. Roiling Consequences is always up. Increased crit is also useful mainly in PvE whereas in PvP it won’t give a big advantage due to strife. DOT gems instead have no strife and each one procs the other.
@@pssa3215 sorry dude but the point is not does it give an advantage or not. Every gem gives an advantage. The point is: is it worth using a slot for it, as they are limited to 8. For me, in PvP, is is not, as the advantage is marginal compared to adding another DOT. I can admit it to be useful in maximizing DPS in PvE but, again, I do encounter problems in adding it to my lineup because other gems are equally good or better. In this group: Pain Clasp, BSJ, Bottled Hope, Roiling Consequences, Viper’s Bite, Berseker’s Eye, Fervent Fang and Void Spark; Iwould struggle to change any one for Mother’s Lament.
Can you tell them to fucking fix this already ? Vithus is still not AFFECTING MOTHERS LAMENT to this day WHILE AFFECT ROILING CONSEQUENCES. WTF IS WRONG WITH BLIZZARD NOT FIXING IT ? OMFG !!! SPEAK UP PPL AND DONT LET THEM FEED YOU CRAP !!!
I think it was intentional. Otherwise it would of been fixed by now. Roiling consequences is working properly but this one is not as indented. Otherwise i would of kept it
@@GameZoneGaminG47 why cant you tell them to fix it ?????? How hard can that be to forward it ???? You even got it on a fucking video. Forward it to the new community manager pls so it gets fixed !
@@pssa3215 i have talked about it directly to a developer on multiple occasions and we still haven't seen any changes which only indicate that since it is a two star gem. Developers Wants to keep a handicap on the gem so roiling consequences look better as a choice.
GZ what do you think is the best way to get gold? i am f2p and all my gear is on lvl 15 i have the resources to upgrade but i always seem to run out of gold.
Logical. Grym hold attack speed if stacked lol , Lament is momentum bursting gem … you testing nonsense bro .. Testing dps on dummy is non comparetable , dummy dont have armor , no reductions etc etc … You testing something what dont have logic .. About attack speed especially dh dont struggle on attack speed , much more effective is trying get most of crit chance boosters for bgs cause is strifed.
Grimm not only increase attack speed of our primary but also skills also for DH getting 10 stack is no issue as i am already using fervant fangs. 10 stacks is really easy and consistency over burst in this game has better outcome in a longer fight compare to shorter one. I do like the 6 second burst of mother lament but it is no longer appealing to me to keep it as there are other better options.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 , i know what doing both of gems , for what is damage or attack speed without crit chance ? Still crit chance is most powerfull stat to making biggest damage , consistency ? reason why you die to much bro , consistency is important in pve stuff , bosses , raids , but in every pvp content you need fast burst , if you trying be consistent with paper class like dh , you never be consisten cause you die fast or must back cause getting dmg if you understand me , consistency is important yes , for pve , high hp bosses, Btw , crit chance only shatter block chance , so next reason why pushing crit chance as it possible.
@@T0MINATOR burst is hard to control when its duration is short as 7 seconds and cooldown in 13 seconds. Having all the right skills available to us at the moment is another aspect which we need to put into perspective. Critical chance is 💯 the strongest attributes and this is why i said ghat I will try to compensate my loss through roiling consequences by upgrading it to higher level which would shrink the gap. Plus maw js my temporary solution for 4k reso. Grimm is what I'm looking for once have the copy. Adding grim and consequences together with consistency and having the roiling to work for 11 seconds and 3 seconds more once it goes to cooldown because of its fire attack could actually end up giving more burst output then mother lament. In theory it should.
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I’m pretty sure that would lower your dps, especially in the most common actual gameplay situations. Consider:
1) how often do you actually fight anything for more than 6 seconds? To test for dungeons, measuring 5 sec bursts for normal bosses, and 10 sec bursts for greed’s spoils or normal raid bosses (between invulnerability phases) would probably be far more meaningful. For even more meaningful tests, first measure your time spent continuously attacking bosses in various content. I imagine the only situations where a 30 sec test would be meaningful for you would be pushing high challenge rifts or gauntlet.
2) your 30 second tests are also not meaningful because the build you’re using clearly doesn’t sustain nearly its maximum dps for that long. For 30 sec dps tests or actual content, you should be using a build that doesn’t run out of strafe energy before 30 sec. If you can’t achieve that with strafe, then use an old school primary attack build or a summons build.
3) before you invest in maw of the deep for its armor break, test whether its armor break stacks with other common ones, such as lingering wounds on familiars (which everyone should use on a broodtalon or skitterwight for the max dps pve companion), other gems like chip of the stone flesh, set bonuses like 4 baron’s, any armor break skills or essences, detested or nettled curse, and survivor (old mastermind)… if *anyone* in your party or raid is using *any* of these, etc. Some armor breaks don’t stack with each other.
4) remember the gem power extraction and transfer features, and consider making gems dormant for greater versatility, versus the relatively small and insignificant increase in reso you’d gain by using every last gem power possible.
Spot on, good response
I'm not going to keep maw as permanent. I have other plan for it later on once i reach 4k reso :D
I decided to sacrifice Mother’s Lament rank 10 recently for the gem power. I wasn’t using the gem and the advantage it gives is marginal.
I would advise for Igneous Scorn to increase the DOT effects. Maw is a gem I built up to rank 7 but I am, once again, not using it anymore as the effect is lower compared to DOT gems, BSJ, Roiling and Bottled Hope.
Same. I had foddered my mothers when maw of the deep came out. Got it to r7 then foddered maw for hilt of many realms (I was tempest at the time) so the gem worked really well. So got stupid lucky on those drops so I was able to get it to r8...almost r9 (during the 50% drop rate on hilt)
@@mad_wisdom what a stupid thing to do since mothers lament is better than all of these gems mentioned and its not even a challenge.
@@pssa3215unfortunately it has a short uptime and a down time. Roiling Consequences is always up. Increased crit is also useful mainly in PvE whereas in PvP it won’t give a big advantage due to strife. DOT gems instead have no strife and each one procs the other.
@@mad_wisdom do the math dude even a kid can do it and it stacks with roiling ffs and crit is important everywhere🤦
@@pssa3215 sorry dude but the point is not does it give an advantage or not. Every gem gives an advantage. The point is: is it worth using a slot for it, as they are limited to 8. For me, in PvP, is is not, as the advantage is marginal compared to adding another DOT. I can admit it to be useful in maximizing DPS in PvE but, again, I do encounter problems in adding it to my lineup because other gems are equally good or better. In this group: Pain Clasp, BSJ, Bottled Hope, Roiling Consequences, Viper’s Bite, Berseker’s Eye, Fervent Fang and Void Spark; Iwould struggle to change any one for Mother’s Lament.
Can you tell them to fucking fix this already ? Vithus is still not AFFECTING MOTHERS LAMENT to this day WHILE AFFECT ROILING CONSEQUENCES. WTF IS WRONG WITH BLIZZARD NOT FIXING IT ? OMFG !!! SPEAK UP PPL AND DONT LET THEM FEED YOU CRAP !!!
I think it was intentional. Otherwise it would of been fixed by now. Roiling consequences is working properly but this one is not as indented. Otherwise i would of kept it
@@GameZoneGaminG47 why cant you tell them to fix it ?????? How hard can that be to forward it ???? You even got it on a fucking video. Forward it to the new community manager pls so it gets fixed !
@@pssa3215 i have talked about it directly to a developer on multiple occasions and we still haven't seen any changes which only indicate that since it is a two star gem. Developers Wants to keep a handicap on the gem so roiling consequences look better as a choice.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 this makes ZERO sense because you can use both and both stack together. Holy shit how stupid is this logic.
@@pssa3215 its there game. Marketing is the logic i guess.
Since you use viper’s bite, you should replace it with pain clasp.
No , this gems have perfect synergy. Read description of gems and you will see it
i would go for Bloody Reach than this
Looks like 4k will happen very soon!
and then i'll drop it again too :D
GZ what do you think is the best way to get gold? i am f2p and all my gear is on lvl 15 i have the resources to upgrade but i always seem to run out of gold.
Do raid the vault It can give up to 500k gold
@@fielvonsilford thats usually what i do when it is open. Other than that its just bounties and owf
Vault is the best way to earn GOLD and Open World farm with full party.
how do u stay in one place when using strafe bro
Ummmmm don’t hit the movement control 😂
@@eduardorivera2524 im holding strafe down only and it moves around on its own
Logical.
Grym hold attack speed if stacked lol , Lament is momentum bursting gem … you testing nonsense bro ..
Testing dps on dummy is non comparetable , dummy dont have armor , no reductions etc etc …
You testing something what dont have logic ..
About attack speed especially dh dont struggle on attack speed , much more effective is trying get most of crit chance boosters for bgs cause is strifed.
Grimm not only increase attack speed of our primary but also skills also for DH getting 10 stack is no issue as i am already using fervant fangs. 10 stacks is really easy and consistency over burst in this game has better outcome in a longer fight compare to shorter one. I do like the 6 second burst of mother lament but it is no longer appealing to me to keep it as there are other better options.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 , i know what doing both of gems , for what is damage or attack speed without crit chance ? Still crit chance is most powerfull stat to making biggest damage , consistency ? reason why you die to much bro , consistency is important in pve stuff , bosses , raids , but in every pvp content you need fast burst , if you trying be consistent with paper class like dh , you never be consisten cause you die fast or must back cause getting dmg if you understand me , consistency is important yes , for pve , high hp bosses,
Btw , crit chance only shatter block chance , so next reason why pushing crit chance as it possible.
@@T0MINATOR burst is hard to control when its duration is short as 7 seconds and cooldown in 13 seconds. Having all the right skills available to us at the moment is another aspect which we need to put into perspective.
Critical chance is 💯 the strongest attributes and this is why i said ghat I will try to compensate my loss through roiling consequences by upgrading it to higher level which would shrink the gap. Plus maw js my temporary solution for 4k reso. Grimm is what I'm looking for once have the copy.
Adding grim and consequences together with consistency and having the roiling to work for 11 seconds and 3 seconds more once it goes to cooldown because of its fire attack could actually end up giving more burst output then mother lament. In theory it should.