England's GREATEST Ever XV | Lawrence Dallaglio | The Big Jim Show
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2023
- In episode 4 of the The Big Jim Show, Jim & Lawrence Dallaglio put together their greatest England XV...do you agree?
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To not have Wilkinson is 1000000000 per cent personal 😂
Brooooo! 😂😂 the shade 😅😅
Farrell lost how many times when we should have won, 2015 ikcked out of our own rwc, 2019 embarrassed over RWC final, lost how many to Scotland and taken off while playing Scotland for Ford to draw us the game. He picks farrell. ok then.
Going on about untouchables and then leaves out Wilkinson 😂 😂
I think some of the England players back then didn't like that he was more professional and more committed than they were.
Multiplied by a billion!🙄
Wilco is by far the best flyhalf england have ever had..his tackle was awesome, his drop goals were just disheartening, he could kick goals from anywhere in the opposition half and he had great distribution skills..people remember his injuries and not his run up to 2003....how can you put miss kick, dodgy tackle height of farrel over that?
His whole game management was second to none, he knew just when to unleash the players outside of him. The best Farrell has ever played at fly half for England was when he was coached by Wilkinson!
Second greatest fly half of all time
Definitely no bias to the former Leicester player but George Ford is better than Farrel. Tackling isn’t an issue, can manage a game and can win an 11 minute period with 13 players while playing both Half Backs and scoring an amazing drop goal, against bitter rivals Saints away
@@alfieban2769 yeah I like ford too...out of the newer younger players (even though ford has loads of caps already) I'd pick ford and Smith over farrel to be fair :-)
@@lukedudley5030 Smith probably will be better than Farrell all time in 3 years but not right now
Lawrence Dallaglio: "My dream team is the England 2003 World Cup squad; except for Wilko. Fuck Wilko! Wilko didn't pick me in his all time England squad for..... what's that magazine called again....... or yeah, fucking "Ruck" magazine! And the guy didn't invite me on his stag to Butlins. Not a chance he's in my squad - I'll have Andy Goode all day. It's not personnel or anything, just Goode is world class.
🤣Brilliant!
Definitely has to be personal. Farrells good but Wilko could kick DGs from anywhere. Who would you bet on winning a world cup final with this xv?
True :-) also south africa used to try to counter wilco personally and believed he was worth 30 points a game so tried to score more when they played against him personally...they didn't fear england but they did fear wilco lol...I watched a pre match build up inside the camp of South africa before an England game and 90% of what they talked about was wilco...this demonstrated the effect he had on opposition and why he was so great :-)
Definite beef between Lawrence and Jonny. Must be
No Wilko ? definitely personal. Dab Carter described him as the "Closest thing to the perfect rugby player". 🤔
I'm Irish and a massive farrell fan but all day long Wilkinson is the best out half
2014 Heineken Cup Final, Farrell was young and in his prime, Wilkinson well into his 30s. Wilkinson absolutely schooled Farrell, to pretend that the outcome would have been different 11 years earlier is madness.
That was not Farrells prime come off it . 2016 to 2020 was his prime
But it was Wilkinson’s? If neither were in their prime then it was a fair contest, and there was one victor…
@@duncanwilson7281it’s more of an advantage to be a ripe, experienced 10 than be a young inexperienced 10. 10’s don’t rely on athleticism like other positions do.
Tell that to Marcus Smith… Anyway, what’s his excuse now? Ripe and still a bit boring?
@@duncanwilson7281 boring and effective…
Andrew Sheridan should have been in the conversation for loosehead
He and Gengey are easily England's best ever looseheads (pro era)
Corbisiero. If it's a fantasy xv you can have Corbs without the glass knees. When he was fit, unbelievably good.
@@johnmitchell2269 Rowntree. Leonard, (could play both sides of a scrum), Corbisiero,?
@@thewomble1509 Gengey and Sheridan would eat those three as a snack.
@@johnmitchell2269 Leonard has forgotten more about how to scrum than those two ever knew. Each to their own though at the end of the day.
Admire and respect Mr Dallaglio for his rugby accomplishments. However, in my humble opinion, there can be no honest talk of an all time England 15 without Mr Wilkinson in it. Mr Dallaglio is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but the arguments he advances in support of his view regarding Mr Wilkinson’s omission from his list are - at best - specious. Mr Wilkinson occupies a rarefied place in the history of rugby’s finest no 10s. ⭐️ Mr Farrell is also a class act ⭐️
Not having Jonny at 10 is mental 🤯
Tbh the mad thing here is Tom Croft not getting even a mention. That bloke was nails, athletic, had hands and hit like Underhill.
Wilkinson at 10 100 times out of 100. Guscott has to be in too!
Wilko best 10 I have ever seen- from Ireland
pound for pound Billy Wizz best player of all time.
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I'm Irish, the Wilkinson call is pure pure salt. I'm baffled
My team of the last 50 years (I judge players by how they compared to their peers, to overcome pro/amateur differences in the game) ..... (1) Leonard (2) Wheeler (3) Cotton (4) Johnson (5) Itoje (6) Hill (7) Neary (8) Dallaglio (9) Dawson (10) Wilkinson (11) Underwood (12) Guscott (13) Greenwood (14) Duckham (15) Robinson
Spot on selection from amateur and professional eras. I would maybe prefer Uttley to Hill, and maybe Richard Hill for Dawson, but both are marginal.
Haha Ben Cohen mugged me off, whilst I (as a little 8years old Scotland fan in 2004) asked for an autograph at Murrayfield at the England team bus, after they trashed us. I was a huge fan of his before that and slightly less after. I remember Matt Dawson was sound as though. Stopped, plenty of chat, a signature and a photo op as well. Funny hearing now LD and co called Cohen 'rudeboy'. It wasn't just me!
If I remember rightly, Ben Cohen has some hearing problems - could he have not heard you ?
There must be something personal between Dayglo and Wilkinson No England is complete without Jonny Wilkinson at 10 - he's the best flyhalf we ever had in an England jersey and will be many people's World XV. Leaving out Rory Underwood is weird; I know he mostly played in the amateur era, but he'd be exceptional as a professional.
Very enjoyable- fascinating hearing about characters of players I watched years ago
What an awesome player and leader. Looks to have the world on his shoulders.
Best of luck Lol
I'm starting to think Farrell has untold secrets about the WRU and ex England players. A world XI over the man who was the top points scorer at WC 2003 after being rested for 2 of the easy games and was easily the player of the tournament. He's captain of the current side despite being awful for 2 years. He's a fly half that always gets bumped to centre because other fly halves are better.
Same applies to Itoje imo. He's been shite for England for the last two years and lozza's comment about much more to come is risible. Itoje is 28 now, not a kid anymore and has gone backwards.
Wilko also had about 3-4 years of injuries and then went to France reinvented him self and won the European cup then coached the to win the cup. I mean WTH is going on.
😂 🤦♀️ he’s at 12 because, despite being the best 10 in Europe he’s also the best 12 in England.
Luckily he’s at 10 this week in his best position!
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 What stats are you using to back up your best 12 position?
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 He's neither of those things and hasn't been for quite a while.
6 should have been the easiest choice - Richard Hill
As a Scotland fan I find it bizzare not to pick Wilkinson. I don't follow all the gossip so maybe he wasn't liked - I don't know. Obviously known for his kicking ability but if you've watched him play he leaves everything on the pitch, big tackles - and not just for his size. Was an entertaining player to watch - probably one of the few players even back in 2003 that could walk in to any other team at the time.
But to then pick Farrell... That's a slap in the face.
Wilkinson is an untouchable. Dallaglio, very good, I can think of a lot of better 8s in world rugby but can't think of a better 8 for England.
Johnson, Hill, Wilko and Robinson are the 4 untouchables 😂 Stick anybody else in the other positions and you’ll have a pretty decent team 👍🏻
Just love listening to you guys chat Brilliant😂
totally agree, Bracken is one of R=England's best-ever Scrum Halfs. Great pace, a great pass, and solid in defence.
Mike Teague, Mick Skinner?
1. Ron Jacobs 2. John Pullen 3 Jason Leonard 4 Martin Johnson 5 Wade Dooley 6 Richard Hill 7 Neil Back 8 Andy Ripley 9 Dickie Jeeps 10 Richard Sharp 11 Rory Underwood 12 David Duckham 13 Jeremy Guscott 14 Jason Robinson 15 Josh Lewsey
I must admit that Ron Jacobs is only there because he was always mentioned when I was at school as being the only ex pupil with an England cap, he captained the side as well.
Loads of these are from the amatuer era I’m afraid
@@TheDinoDom Was it specified that they should be amateurs ? I do realise that an amateur player couldn’t exist in the modern game but really I was just going back in time to please myself - I am 79yo.
Ok grandad
Mine would be 1, Leonard 2, George 3,Vikery 4,Johnson, 5,Itoje 6,Curry 7,Underhill 8, Dallaglio 9,Youngs 10,Wilkinson 11,May 12, Tuilagi 13,Tindall 14, Watson 15,Robinson 16, Hartley 17, Marler(for a laugh is nothing else) 18, Cole, 19, Lawes 20,Vunipola 21,Dawson 22,Farrell(can play 10 or 12) Daly(and play 11, 13 or 15)
My England XV in my lifetime-
1. Andrew Sheridan
2. Jamie George
3. Phil Vickery
4. Martin Johnson
5. Maro Itoje
6. Tom Croft
7. Neil Back
8. Lawrence Dallaglio
9. Matt Dawson
10. Jonny Wilkinson
11. Jason Robinson
12. Mike Tindall
13. Will Greenwood
14. Josh Lewsey
15. Delon Armitage
16. Dylan Hartley
17. Alex Corbisiero
18. Kyle Sinckler
19. Simon Shaw
20. Martin Corry
21. Ben Youngs
22. Owen Farrell
23. Ben Foden
Absolutely criminal not to have Wilkinson in there
Would’ve thought Wilkinson was an absolute certainty.. but if nip between Dallaligho and wilko?
Seems that way :)
@@billbill454 "Its not personal, its not personal Im telling you its not personal. (breath).. there's no beef" hmm, seems like its.. personal. :)
My fun / dust-up England XV:
Ellis Genge
Luke Cowan-Dickie
Julian Wight
Simon Shaw
Martin Johnson
Joe Worsley
Lewis Moody
Billy Vunipola
Matt Dawson
Owen Farrell
Jason Robinson
Will Greenwood
Many Tuiliagi
Chris Splashton
Mike Brown
Take out vunipola and I’m in
Also lawes at 5
@@xxxWheelchairsxxx313 Billy V at his very best, not now obviously.
I might be persuaded to slot in Dean Richards at 8...
Danny Grewcock in the second row. Bloke is a ninja with a temper.
@@DJR1409 Christ how have I forgot about grewcock and hill. How about wade dooley
What is this media obsession with Maro Itoje? Supposed to be captain of the 2021 Lions but exactly why noone could explain adequately. Then for ages Rugby media was talking up discovering "our next LeBron" (ie whoever or whatever Michael Yormark was pushing for at the time) and then Jim complained to the Youngs brothers on here "next LeBron, yeah, but it hasnt happened has it? It was supposed to be Maro but it didnt happen.." and NOW Dallaglio is talking about "how good he's going to be when he's eventually made England Captain.." Eh? This is the same Itoje who spent the 2nd half vs Scotland walking around the pitch? To go with his previous 'walking' performances in the England jersey. But who cares about how he actually plays right? He's not just undroppable according to media decree, he's going to be captain next. How about: justifying his place in the team first?
He’s not the force he was
He was U20s captain and was Sarries' LV Cup captain not too long after. He's been the heir apparent for a long old time and it's a very hard title to shift.
He’s good but not great and that’s the problem isn’t it. For me Lawes, borthwick, grewcock, Kay and Simon shaw are all better second rows.
Itoje was the next Johnson but he just hasn't attained that level yet sadly but hopefully he does. Best England forward by far in recent years has been Courtney Lawes. Sadly missing currently with injury.
@@mattt1212 ye he had that title for a long time problem is he’s 28 not exactly a young pup anymore he should be where he needs to be by now to be honest. Also from what what Iv heard he’s a bit of a unlikable character, one of those that’s lads never grown out of the 16 year old rugby banter mentality, not the type that demands respect and is a captain type
There are two untouchables: Johnson and Wilko at 10, and neither has him there wtf
pretty sure he had Johnson 2:44 and as for Big Jim ... pretty sure he misspoke and meant to say that he put Farrell at 12 to try and get him in ... because Jonny was 10... if you listen to what he says and his surprise when Lawrence says he put Farrell at 10 that makes sense that he misspoke
Dallaglio has shown himself up somewhat by not picking JW 🤯.
JW most certainly was one of the “untouchables” from that 2003 team (along with Johnson/Hill/Robinson).
Maybe it grates Dallaglio that he’s not considered in the same group 🤔
Came to the comments before watching, no Wilko??? God amongst men, an icon of rugby, how's he not made the XV...
Wilkinson is a must!! Second greatest first five of all time behind Dan Cater
Does this have a date limit? Can’t see one.
If not then where is David Duckham. The greatest English step ever alongside Phil Bennett for wales - both were immense for the baa baas against ABs.
They discussed the time limit 🤦♀️
They limited it to the professional era, otherwise I've got Wade Dooley next to Johnson.
1990s-ish onwards
1. Leonard
2. Thompson
3. Vickery
4. Johnson
5. Shaw
6. Hill
7. Back
8. Dallaglio
9. Dawson
10. Wilkinson
11. R. Underwood
12. Greenwood (wearing 13)
13. Guscott
14. Robinson
15. Lewsey
16. Woodman
17. George
18. Cole
19. Kay
20. Moody
21. Care/Gomersall (??)
22. Catt
23. Simpson-Daniel
Did Jim pick his team based on charity games he’s played in ?
I’d ALWAYS pick Wilkinson. Apart from his talent and tactical brain - You want someone who’d go to war with you. Would never fail you. JW - would give his soul for his team. That’s why he’s loved.
Sheridan, Thompson, Sinkler, itoje, Jonno,. Hill, vunipola, Lawes, Ellis, Wilko, Robinson, Farrel, tuilagi, Watson, Lewsey
Jack Nowell 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wilko without a doubt, although Jim clearly wants people who fancy a scrap…so Owen must be in for him. Never met Ben Cohen but I find it hard to believe he’s as rude as Josh 🙄
Cohen apparently went off on one after the World Cup. Most of the team either moved on into retirement and media work or kept playing. Cohen was still young (just turned 25) but Mike Tindall said of him that he was more interested in being young and famous than young and still playing. He's certainly been in the pages of Hello magazine in the years since.
Hey Jim please interview your team mate jacques burger man what an unsung player
Simpson-Daniel and Nowell? Rory and Jason every time
1. Fun bus. 2. Hartley 3.vickery 4.johnson 5. Itoje 6. Hill 7. Underhill. 8 lol. 9 Ellis. 10. Wilko. 11. Lewsey. 12. Greenwood. 13 tuilangi, 14. Robinson. 15. Mike brown
Interesting talk men. Genge 😎 ngl Lawrence is an inspiration. Wilkinson over Farrell. Jack Nowell.
Tell me you’re still living in 2003 without telling me you’re still living in 2003
Iirc Dallaglio was always trying to get Wilkinson to come & play with him & Dawson at Wasps, but Wilkinson stayed loyal to Newcastle. Until he went to France. Then Dallaglio was one of the 1st guys saying England shouldn't pick overseas based players
Surprised Guscott didn't get a mention and he is ruder than Cohen!
No one else is picking Farrell over Wilko, even Farrell spat out his cornflakes and yelled WTF Lawrence!?
Wilkinson is an untouchable!
Met Thompson and Cohen in a nightclub in Aus during the WC back in 2003..Thompson top lad, Cohen did come across as abit of a n^bsickle
Hamilton you are crazy! Enjoyable watch tho chaps.
Dallagilo must have been a real *rick in the dressing room. Must have been a nightmare for junior players
Got to have Guscott at 13 :)
Brilliant
In a previous article it was Julian white at 3, make your mind up!!
How did they not even mention Guscott he was a Rolls Royce of a centre him with Tuilagi......would of been scary
Missed Fran Cotton, Julian White, Steve Thomson, and that's just the front row.
And Brian Moore
Sheridan
I wouldn't have great knowledge of rugby from yesteryear, but from what I've seen, Wilkinson is probably going in a World XV, never mind an England XV
Dan Carter was twice the player Wilkinson ever was.
As an Aussie , you not picking Wilkinson is a disgrace to your entire family, country and long lost ancestors.
Feel like Steve Thompson has been over looked here at hooker. One of the best at that position we've had
Jim is a great guy, as is Lol
Wilko at 10
Farrel at 12
Solves the problem
met him outside a casino whilst I wa smashed, top man and world cup legend
No Johnny, nuts. David Duckham, even if he wasn't from the Pro era was special, give him the opportunity to be a pro and wow what a player you'd have.
Ben Clark in the back row.
Would have dropped Itoje a long way back. Not a great lock at all. Also, the borderline professional / amateur era produced most of England’s best players.
This the greatest fun on a piss up XV. The clip edited it out for some reason
J-Ro wore 14 but played at 15 in RWC Final 03
What? We wore 14 and played on the wing! Popped up on the wing and scored the try. Lewsey was 15 for pretty much that whole tournament.
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 heard him mention it himself once on a documentary of some sort - can't remember which one but I'll try dig it out for you. He was talking about the Tuqiri try and says that exact line 'I wore 14 but actually played at FB' I generally don't mind either way as we won! which is all that matters.
The trouble with picking these greatest XVs is that people generally only pick from their era and in this case the professional era when many of the greatest players in history played in the amateur era . The world cup winning team was tremendous and was full of very good players and some that were special however there have been greater England players many who played in mediocre teams . I could name a number of great players from the past who I believe we're superior but it's a bit like talking to young people about today's footballers they don't know how good many players from yesteryear were so they only know what they know.
What about Hunter? Only man to outplay peak Lomu. Short but great career.
I think people forget Wilkinson struggled in 03 until Catt came in.
I’m sorry but I can’t comprehend why everyone loves Owen Farrell so much. As far as I can remember I cannot recall him ever opening up a mobile 3/4 line in attack. The centres have never received a good opening pass for years.
Can't just pick your old team 🤣🤣 also not having wilko in is mental
You can they were if not the best England and lions side ever
@@FrancisDietPodcast they would get monstered by any semi competent modern side games moved on.
No Wilkinson and Richard Hill is just ridiculous. It is so PERSONAL.
No Andy Goode? What kind of a list is this?
I get it’s subjective but you lost me at Farrell instead of Wilco 😂
Jesus Jim....Rugby did exist pre 2008 lad.
Good shout Jim on nowell on the wing but I’d put Anthony Watson ahead of Simpson-Daniels
Sinbad was almost on another planet at his best. Pace, step, awareness, power for a smallish bloke.
Top class. I do agree Watson would be in and around a best 23 squad though.
Wilkinson - top 5 all time
Prime Johnny May not in the conversarion???
6 Tom Croft
Jason Leonard
Steve Thompson
Julian White
Martin Johnson
Grewcock (hard af)
Richard Hill
Neil Back
Billy Vunipola (at his best obv)
9. Matt Dawson
10. Wilkinson
11. Chris Ashton
12 manu tuilagi
13 will greenwood
14 Josh Lewsey
15 Jason Robinson
Subs:
23. Danny Cipriani
Elliot Daily
Simpson-Daniel
Steve Borthwick
Lawrence Dallaglio
Phil Vickery
I was on board until I saw daly in the bench! One of the worst performing players in recent years for England, in the pubs all I remember was people screaming about how he’s being picked game after game and being terrible. Like the rest of the team though haha 😂👍
@whybother now You could say that about a lot of these selections. Leonard was top class, could play both sides of the front row and be equally effective and that isn't easy.
Mark cueto on wing
And Itoje? Worth 6 points a game to the oppo, maybe 9 if they've got a top goalkicker.
No Guscott?
Simpson Daniel isn't controversial he's a mention in the "what could have been XV"
Now that Lee Childs has atone for his super midget gaffe oh, I think it's time to start reading the books again the last movie Don't Look Back they tossed 2/3 of the actual story and then made some other shit up. I was super pissed as that was a really good story line
How can Jim pick Lewis Moody in front of Richard Hill😂 I mean picking Hill is standard. As a Welshman who had to endure that England team for a decade or so……Johnson, Dallaglio, Hill etc
Love how Lawrence hasn’t picked Wilkinson 😂 brilliant
Wilco and guscott, LD is not bitter
Moody over Richard Hill is an undefendable opinion.
They didn’t even mention Johnny May which I think is a bit harsh
Second most tries for England behind Rory Underwood.
with all due respect to farrell we all know that wilkinson is superior
Wints would have monstered evenprofession modern back rows
no guscott?!
Not English but surprised that Steve Thompson, Jerry Guscott, Tinds, Chris Ashton and Johnny May didn’t get a mention