Iron Fist Vs Doctor Who's Daleks - Comic Tropes (Episode 42)

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2024

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  • @NuclearConvoy
    @NuclearConvoy 6 лет назад +49

    In case anybody is curious about Prof. Gamble, he has not gone forgotten by Marvel creators and was the main villain of 2018's Cable and Deadpool annual.

    • @Agamemnon2
      @Agamemnon2 6 лет назад +4

      I was in fact curious if they ever revisited him or hid him in the cabinet of shame. Thanks :D

    • @jerkfudgewater147
      @jerkfudgewater147 4 года назад +1

      That’s where i was figuring he’d show up... dude even looks like Ben Franklin... something about Deadpool never letting a ben franklin joke slip by. How was the story? Dr who as the villain, how’d he do evil?

  • @MikeWhiskyTango
    @MikeWhiskyTango 2 года назад +2

    The play 'Day of the Deadlox' play poster in the background is a play on words for 'Day of the Daleks' which was first serial of the 9th season with Jon Pertwee which came out in 1972.

  • @bonpourvous
    @bonpourvous 7 лет назад +55

    I think the Professor looks more like the Sylvester McCoy version of Dr Who which I think came later... time travel by Marvel.

    • @ComicTropes
      @ComicTropes  7 лет назад +11

      I can see that. The Seventh Doctor debuted a handful of years later in 1987. One of my favorites.

    • @bonpourvous
      @bonpourvous 7 лет назад +9

      My fave was and is Tom Baker, mad and eccentric, perfect for the part.
      I think your channel is great btw, keep up the good work.

  • @im2cxe4u
    @im2cxe4u 4 года назад +11

    I think the robots were a way to get around the comics code. The same way the 90's X-men cartoon only let Wolverine fully use his claws in a fight against robots and machines and such.

  • @DWNicolo
    @DWNicolo 6 лет назад +28

    Marvel Comics had the rights to publish Dr. Who comics in 1982. This might explain why Marvel wasn't sued.

    • @misanthropicmusings4596
      @misanthropicmusings4596 4 года назад +2

      Yes i remember this! Featured my favorite doctor, the Tom Baker version.

  • @Anthro006
    @Anthro006 4 года назад +1

    Oh man! I got a chill when you started saying Iron Fist's become "like unto a thing of iron!" And caught myself saying it with you without missing a beat! Ha! I guess it was a favorite of young Lloyd as well.😀 Thank you for bringing back memories of joy!

  • @NDHFilms
    @NDHFilms 3 года назад +5

    6:45 Perhaps robot enemies allowed for more violent action that was still technically within what standards and practices allowed.

  • @genefrerichs6439
    @genefrerichs6439 5 лет назад +17

    Chris Claremont worked other Dr Who references into his X-Men work, too. The most obvious was in Excalibur, introducing the Weird Happenings Organization (W.H.O.) which resembled U.N.I.T. from Dr Who. The organization was led by a female version of Dr Who character Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart; her name escapes me but both were referred to as "Brigadier." Also, I seem to remember some soldiers in the Fall of the Mutants storyline being name Benton & Yates - 2 recurring characters on Dr Who around the 3rd & 4th doctors era.Nice job with the videos - I recently came across your channel and am enjoying perusing the "back issues" :)

  • @josemontano7767
    @josemontano7767 3 года назад +1

    I think this is the best RUclips comic book channel

  • @R_P_K
    @R_P_K 7 лет назад +9

    This is my favorite series about comics on RUclips. Please keep them coming!

    • @ComicTropes
      @ComicTropes  7 лет назад +2

      The plan is to continue putting out weekly episodes by every Monday morning.

    • @R_P_K
      @R_P_K 7 лет назад +1

      skunkape awesome! Have you checked out fantasium in federal way yet? One of my favorite local comic stores.

    • @ComicTropes
      @ComicTropes  7 лет назад +1

      reed petchnick Yes, in episode 27 I visit Fantasium.

  • @TheOrtolan
    @TheOrtolan 6 лет назад +13

    I think your videos are amazing. They are top notch.

  • @HCC788
    @HCC788 7 лет назад +43

    I'm glad you went with this one rather that the other choice. I get a kick out of these old 70s and early 80s comics that drew from exploitation movie genres. They are dated, hokey, but so much fun.
    Most likely, this Dr. Who homage would be considered a parody, thus not quite a copyright infringement. And, even more likely, the Dr. Who creators probably never knew this comic book existed.

    • @ComicTropes
      @ComicTropes  7 лет назад +21

      Marvel wasn't worried about copyright infringement at this point in time because they actually published Doctor Who Magazine which included Doctor Who comics and they republished those strips in periodical format as well. Maybe the writer originally intended to actually use Doctor Who and somehow they couldn't?

    • @jeffreycoogan09
      @jeffreycoogan09 6 лет назад +8

      @Comic Tropes If we ever see "Professor Gamble" portrayed in the (Iron Fist Netflix series)? They could have "Tom Baker" play him.

    • @CountryBwoy
      @CountryBwoy 4 года назад +1

      I would consider it an analog/homage version of Dr. Who as opposed to satire or parody. I personally love analogs! I think there are some comic wikis that have lists and examples from different companies.

  • @RobotsPajamas
    @RobotsPajamas 7 лет назад +13

    Love the guest appearances FYI

  • @BobGeis
    @BobGeis 4 года назад

    Remember reading this as a kid. I had no Dr. Who knowledge, but I still loved the comic. Thanks for bringing back the good memories. So glad I discovered this channel!

  • @richmcgee434
    @richmcgee434 6 лет назад +15

    19:57 "Framistan" is synonymous with "doohickey" or "thingamajig" - a pseudoterm used to describe an unidentified or otherwise unnamed piece of equipment. It appears to be more associated with programming these days than mechanics, and shows up as an in-joke in code sometimes. Also, how do you NOT comment on Luke drinking tea with his pinky up? He knows his etiquette, Mister Cage.

  • @RobotsPajamas
    @RobotsPajamas 7 лет назад +3

    Another great video. I never got into these guys when I was a kid, but I pick up back issues here and there now and I like them.

  • @dillonbrown4940
    @dillonbrown4940 4 года назад +3

    The robots are probably due to censorship, like Samurai Jack. Lot's of dismemberment, disemboweling, and decapitation. The oil and wires were ways to show disemboweling and profuse bleeding without angering censors. It's very Tarantino-esque while still being able to play on prime time children's channels.

  • @BusoRockin1000
    @BusoRockin1000 3 года назад +1

    A couple of things. One Danny Rand has offered to give a bunch of money to Luke Cage on a couple different occasions but Luke Cage has turned it down because he felt like it would make him a kept man. Two, the reason Cage couldn't bring his girlfriend to the Gem is because it was in a really bad part of town. Luke Cage would thwart a mugging or implied rape attempt every other issue near his apartment. I think that this was one of the times where Danny's brownstone was messed up because of a super villain battle, so he might be able to sleep there but it wasn't presentable. Don't quote me on that last one though. His house got destroyed a lot.

  • @stephenmaguire9907
    @stephenmaguire9907 2 года назад +2

    The Professor also looks a lot like Gene Wilder’s Willy Wonka costume.

  • @lo1bo2
    @lo1bo2 7 лет назад +15

    At 14:40 it appears Power Man is commenting that the door was already off its hinges, rather than him being the one who broke it.

    • @ComicTropes
      @ComicTropes  7 лет назад +2

      lo1bo2 You're probably right.

  • @edward2962
    @edward2962 7 лет назад +9

    Great vid! Marvel did do an official Dr Who one issue in Marvel Premiere featuring the Tom Baker Doctor. Also, a few years later in West Coast Avengers, Hank Pym joined the team not as any of his previous superhero names but as "Dr Pym". He wore a hat, a long trench coat and a scarf which I thought was supposed to be some sort of tribute to Dr Who.

    • @ManBatz
      @ManBatz 4 года назад +1

      YES. I remember being outraged. It seamed more like they just lifted Dr. Who and pasted it over Pym. They switched him to wearing some jumpsuit with a lot of pockets after.

  • @jalderink
    @jalderink 4 года назад

    I love that shirt! The trope with the, Living Dead creator, was a great bonus.

  • @davegibson4157
    @davegibson4157 4 года назад +1

    SUCH A GREAT CHANNEL! I JUST FOUND IT I LOVE IT!

  • @kevinconnor3187
    @kevinconnor3187 2 года назад

    Thanks!

  • @aldi404
    @aldi404 4 года назад +2

    I really hope that Robert Kirkman guy will be famous one day just like you, Chris. ;)

  • @MaxibonHR
    @MaxibonHR 3 года назад +1

    “You’re just trying to hire us to investigate so you get publicity!”
    “Ok but Luke, he’s hiring you for a job.”
    “And??”
    “We need money Luke. This is your job.”
    “Oh yeah… we’ll get right on it sir.”

  • @finefatfly4019
    @finefatfly4019 5 лет назад +3

    I really liked this series as a kid, and yes - I think the "buddy" system, with 2 partners as equals was a part of it. Not a super friends team with 10 members...not a super-hero & side-kick - just 2 superheroes.
    But I'm surprised that the much under-rated artwork by Kerry Gammill and Ricardo Villamonte was not mentioned. They were a team during the same era as John Byrne & Terry Austin, and I think the artwork is on par.

  • @markmark6408
    @markmark6408 5 лет назад +2

    Iron Fist against the Wrecking Crew, each member having the power of Thor.

  • @andrewmagracia2088
    @andrewmagracia2088 Год назад

    Ty4 the vid.. totally enjoyed the tropes and "pop" culture nuggets throughout

  • @Dougeb7
    @Dougeb7 4 года назад

    The "framistan" (19:56) was also a gag used by writer Frank Doyle in the older Archie comics. Whenever his jalopy went on the fritz, he would need a new "framistan".

  • @ianbarkham5080
    @ianbarkham5080 5 лет назад +2

    At that point, Doctor Who comics were published by Marvel UK,hence the lack of legal repercussions. This story was mentioned in a feature in one issue.

  • @strangerbetter637
    @strangerbetter637 3 года назад +1

    Kaare Andrews' run with Iron Fist: Living Weapon is absolutely my favorite run. It setup a great new standard, introduced new characters like Pei and Brenda Swanson, and established the future line of the Iron Fist through Pei and the newest incarnation of Shou Lou in the dragon Gork. It also established Sparrow taking over the role of Yu Ti, and setup Danny as the "Thunderer" for Pei.
    Amazing 12 issues.

  • @Th30th3rJ0J0
    @Th30th3rJ0J0 3 года назад +1

    The name of the comic is a pretty nice homage/coincidence. During The 3rd Doctor's run there was a serial titled "Day Of The Daleks", aired first in 1972 and this comic came out a decade later in 1982.
    Also gotta love how there's a character who sort of resembles The 7th Doctor, despite 7 only being put on screens 5 years after this comic released.

  • @joedent3323
    @joedent3323 2 года назад

    I just bought this. Cheers for the recommend Chris.
    Cheers Chris, and all Comic Troopers :)
    "LiL'JpD."

  • @dfailsthemost
    @dfailsthemost Год назад

    "That didn't happen to me." Exactly what one would say if one were secretly a kung-fu superhero...

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 4 года назад +2

    Gammill sure could draw. Wow

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 4 года назад

    Man, he was my favorite as a kid, I found him during the John Byrne days ( Wrecking Crew) and found my favorite hero AND my favorite artist. The art was my first criteria in a book as a kid. Heck I grew up to be an artist:)

  • @thriddoctor
    @thriddoctor 5 лет назад +3

    The Professor's tinkering with gadgets is rather like the Third Doctor, who was also an expert in Venusian karate (being the only two armed being in the universe that could practice it).

  • @floridagator1765
    @floridagator1765 4 года назад

    Dude killed me with the chain belt.😂

  • @kevsil616
    @kevsil616 4 года назад +2

    The funny thing is that Marvel actually had the rights to publish Doctor Who from 1979 to 1999 (which is probably why they weren't sued) but they could've used the actual Doctor. They had him cross over with other Marvel Character Death's Head. I guess they figured people in the US wouldn't know who he was and just modelled Gamble and the Dreadlox as you said after the Doctor and the Daleks. We could say that Gamble was another Time Lord and the Dreadlocks were the Daleks' cousins from their Sister Planet lol

  • @Khilkhameth
    @Khilkhameth 5 лет назад +3

    I guess they fought robots a lot so that they could kick heads off enemies without having any gore.

  • @josephgamble8193
    @josephgamble8193 5 лет назад +1

    Professor J.A Gamble? My name is literally Joseph Anthony Gamble.....holy smokes.

  • @w1lDstYLe
    @w1lDstYLe 4 года назад +1

    It's crazy. This channel goes about some things in such a cheap way that it almost comes off as uncaring sometimes, but just hearing him talk about these comics with such joy even with the incredibly corny jokes makes this so worth watching.
    I think this channel is a shining example of excelling at what you're best at so much so that you don't need to polish it up. These videos are random lengths, random topics, and sometimes about heroes I care zero about, but I can't stop watching. Keep being you, man. It's clearly working more and more and your audience sure appreciates you.

  • @olivierroy5540
    @olivierroy5540 Год назад

    Doctor Who debuted in November 1963 so when this comic came out in 1982 the show was about 18 years old almost 19. Chris was right about the show being less than 20 years old at the time

  • @NERDSAPLENTY
    @NERDSAPLENTY 7 лет назад +12

    Great video! You should do a Jim lee comic tropes episode.

  • @LurkingCrassZero
    @LurkingCrassZero 4 года назад +1

    14:39 Mate, did you read the comic? Cage clearly exclaims his surprise at the door being ripped off it's hinges and the tossed furniture. He did not just recklessly barge the door down as you said.

  • @raggaeldestro
    @raggaeldestro 4 года назад

    Woah!! Poweman and Ironfist were a part of my childhood.

  • @StewyAdamRules
    @StewyAdamRules 3 года назад

    Now I’m waiting for the Doctor Who episode where the Doctor encounters knock offs of these two.

  • @matthinton19
    @matthinton19 4 года назад

    Super saiyan iron first in thumbnail. I approve

  • @thegreyman
    @thegreyman 6 лет назад +1

    Marvel UK did Dr Who Weekly in the late 70's early 80's I think. I bought them back in the day, great books

  • @danpettinger1353
    @danpettinger1353 2 года назад

    I used to own this issue. A house move or two made it disappear. Good times :)

  • @raydeen2k
    @raydeen2k 6 лет назад +4

    All the 'Professor' would need to do is reverse the polarity of the neutron flow. Or throw some stairs at the Dredlox. Daleks and Dredlox hadn't yet conquered stairs. It took them a while to manage just getting around on regular ground. And actually, Marvel had some rights to Doctor Who at the time. They published the UK comic strips in book form for quite a while.

  • @pvthitch
    @pvthitch 2 года назад +1

    Captain America and The Falcon were partners for almost 100 issues.

  • @GameHammerCG
    @GameHammerCG 5 лет назад +1

    Martial artists fighting robots was A Thing, to be fair. Case in point: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

  • @judealdred5237
    @judealdred5237 7 лет назад +4

    Day of the daleks is a doctor who episode title

  • @reunionortiz-luis449
    @reunionortiz-luis449 4 года назад

    Awesome video as usual. i think this issue was collected in the iessential power man and iron fist volume 1 i think. not sure. but didnt Marvel run Doctor who under the EPIC line of Marvel? i remember I had one of those issues as a kid.I think epic reprinted the british Doctor who comics it starred the fourth doctor if im not mistaken .this would have been around maybe 1983 or 1984. not sure though but i do remember it.. if ony i still had those comics :-(

  • @idongesitusen5764
    @idongesitusen5764 4 года назад +1

    I am surprised Lewis lovhaug hasn’t mentioned this.

  • @spaceknight1982
    @spaceknight1982 4 года назад

    At the time of the comic's creation, Marvel UK was actually publishing licensed Doctor Who comics in the pages of Doctor Who Magazine. And the Marvel character Death's Head actually has a crossover with the Doctor in the '80s. Soooo...they probably didn't have to worry too much about copyright, they likely could have used the real Doctor Who if they wanted.

  • @Bucky749
    @Bucky749 6 лет назад +1

    I think my favorite Issue is the one where iron fist and Luke Cage are a Old west theme bar and iron fist calls him self the kung lu kid . I forget what Issue it is in .

    • @dougg1075
      @dougg1075 4 года назад

      Bucky749 Kun lung Kid wasn’t it?

  • @bigny3232
    @bigny3232 5 лет назад +1

    Luke didn't rip the door off its hinges in the bubble he says door is ripped off and signs of a struggle

  • @crashoverride200
    @crashoverride200 4 года назад

    i think you need to check on Iron Fist, because he appeared in Shang chi in 78 i think it was so please check, he was in black and white.

  • @swfcocs1
    @swfcocs1 5 лет назад

    Recently discovered conic tropes and IMO it's a fantastic channel, he pulls off the tricky task of being both very informative and highly entertaining,its rapidly become my favourite YT channel. Is there any possibility of another episode covering Dredd and/or 2000ad? I loved the first one but IMO theres enough great stuff from Dredd/2000ad to warrant another episode at least, esp as the tv show "megacity one" is on its way.Once again thanks for the fascinating channel

  • @joedent3323
    @joedent3323 2 года назад

    I just read this issue. It is worth a read. Jo Duffy has quite a good line in buddy-action-hero funny dialog.
    Ive read a few issues past this, and they are all quite fun.
    "Christmas!"
    Check them out if you have not.

  • @ghostwrld777s7
    @ghostwrld777s7 4 года назад

    The old theme song is fire 🔥

  • @Frst2nxt
    @Frst2nxt 2 года назад

    I loved Iron Fist and Power Man at Marvel, as I likewise loved the original Hawk and Dove at DC.

  • @EmoEmu
    @EmoEmu 5 лет назад +1

    Luke Cage's invulnerable skin has always changed from period to period. Sometimes he's rather invulnerable to everything. One period had him invulnerable to blunt trauma but vulnerable to piercing attacks such as a knife. One period had him turn imba and suddenly as strong as Thor and nigh invulnerable. He's really badly defined to the point where someone ought to make a fourth wall joke about it.

  • @Bucky749
    @Bucky749 6 лет назад +1

    I wonder if Iron Fist and luke Cage met one of the classic doctors from doctor who . Who would it be ?
    I think a third doctor team up would have bin cool cause then we could see
    Iron fist spar with the third doctor and learn some Venusian akido.

  • @gr8kat1
    @gr8kat1 6 лет назад +1

    Justin Alphons Gamble? Just a gamble, but I think there's a pun hiding there/

  • @guarddog318
    @guarddog318 7 лет назад +2

    Marvel did do a Dr. Who comic in the 80s: www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=81641
    No telling how the whole Iron Fist/Power Man thing might have played into that.

  • @the_flyattractor8656
    @the_flyattractor8656 6 лет назад

    If I recall correctly Marvel did have the Rights to a Doctor Who Comic around this same time. Not sure if they still had them in 82 thou...

  • @yasutorasado6971
    @yasutorasado6971 6 лет назад

    I love you xD i also love deadpool issues where this duo appeared y know what? If not check it out xD its fun af

  • @Changetheling
    @Changetheling 5 лет назад +1

    23:03
    "AVERTED TROPE - Tropes have exceptions. Sometimes, a writer uses a situation that seems indelibly married to a trope, but the trope never appears. *It's not a Subverted Trope, because the trope is never hinted.* Nor is it a Lampshade Hanging, because the presence of trope is never pointed out. Nor is it a Defied Trope because the trope is never acknowledged and avoided by the characters. The trope just isn't there.
    That is the core meaning of "averted". The writer just went past the trope. They ignored it, they forgot it existed, or it wasn't even a trope at all in their culture."

    • @pstrap1311
      @pstrap1311 4 года назад +1

      TV Troper detected! Begin emergency tab closing immediately before the browser crashes!

  • @shibolinemress8913
    @shibolinemress8913 2 года назад

    Prof. Gamble's costume looks more like Willy Wonka from the 1970's movie than The Doctor. Then again, maybe Wonka was The Doctor in disguise... 😉

  • @Theduckwebcomics
    @Theduckwebcomics 5 лет назад +1

    That's not a trenchcoat on Tom Baker. That's a frock coat. Huge difference 😁
    On Professor Gamble that's an overcoat. Trenchcoats are what you see on nior detectives: light, thin cotton raincoats.

  • @ericpleasant7225
    @ericpleasant7225 4 года назад

    I wonder when someone would bring this comic up all due to the Doctor Who take-off which no one seems to remember.

  • @zootopiawilson
    @zootopiawilson 4 года назад

    I remember reading this as a kid, and Doctor Who was on the local PBS station at the time. I loved it, so I got all of the references and really enjoyed this comic book's nods and winks.

  • @antonydrossos5719
    @antonydrossos5719 5 лет назад

    5:17 As a shout-out to another episode in your series, ask me how I INSTANTLY recognized john Byrne's art in this segment!

    • @dougg1075
      @dougg1075 4 года назад

      Antony Drossos it was the best? He was the shiznit on Iron Fist.

  • @constancesmith667
    @constancesmith667 5 лет назад

    Great video! Where did you get that way cool shirt?

  • @solsticelacer
    @solsticelacer Год назад

    But Chris, you did grow up to learn martial arts, and protected the streets for a time as a superhero. So in a way you were right about it being attainable.

  • @finnsterling6514
    @finnsterling6514 4 месяца назад

    5:00 His original catchphrase was:
    "Prepare to be FISTED!"

  • @CAMSLAYER13
    @CAMSLAYER13 4 года назад +1

    Tbf the tardis is supposed to change to match it's surroundings. The doctors is just broken.

  • @ShotDownInFlames2
    @ShotDownInFlames2 7 лет назад

    That art is awesome. Carey Gamel (guessing on the spelling) pencils. Who did the inks?
    Great review, thanks.

  • @Bustermachine
    @Bustermachine 5 лет назад +1

    So . . . They were robots in disguise?

  • @mayssm
    @mayssm 5 лет назад

    We sort of take it for granted today, because with the internet we have complete instant access to other cultures, but this might have just been an homage or a way to introduce American readers to Dr. Who. It was probably far more niche back in 82.

  • @carlkolchack3012
    @carlkolchack3012 Год назад

    Robots don’t matter like people do as enemies to end.

  • @macoy3943
    @macoy3943 6 лет назад

    I’ve read this one, and I was honestly so confused after I read it

  • @matthewakian2
    @matthewakian2 3 года назад

    I had to click on this video after seeing the title.

  • @TickleEyes
    @TickleEyes 5 лет назад

    He said “best friends”, the same way Charlie Kelly in Always Sunny does

  • @Bucky749
    @Bucky749 6 лет назад

    Are going to review some archer and Armstrong comics in the future?

  • @willc3900
    @willc3900 Год назад

    Comic Tropes rules

  • @johnhall3106
    @johnhall3106 4 года назад

    Did u forget: green lantern/ green arrow ?

  • @balthazarasquith
    @balthazarasquith 2 года назад

    So is Dr Who part of the marvel universe?

  • @genghisdon1
    @genghisdon1 4 года назад

    naw, old fan here, so I like the Claremont/Bryne run & chunks of PM & IF

  • @GamingDreamer
    @GamingDreamer 6 лет назад +1

    Didn't marvel had Doctor who comic back in the days

  • @guarddog318
    @guarddog318 7 лет назад +2

    Don't let anybody fool ya; all of us comic book readers were "dumb kids" that at least HOPED that we'd get bitten by a radioactive spider, exposed to some strange chemical, etc. that would give us super powers.
    I'd also have to say that the people writing those comics were no different. They just figured out how to get paid for their daydreaming.

  • @TimelordPrime
    @TimelordPrime 4 года назад

    Who is this Doctor you speak of?

  • @asunachan9999
    @asunachan9999 4 года назад

    Never got much into Iron Fist. ☺️💕🇵🇭

  • @DrewLSsix
    @DrewLSsix 6 лет назад

    If marvel had the nerve they would pick one of these hilarious old comic stories and produce new tires standalone episode per for the re-creating It! Forget continuity with the rest of the show just make something like this happen for no reason other then it would be the most entertaining thing to pop up on Netflix.

  • @mamodokod
    @mamodokod 4 года назад

    He doesnt really do this anymore

  • @enrqced1
    @enrqced1 Год назад

    Don’t give up! lol