I will never attack anyone personally for having a different view, and I hope this can be a safe space for open discussion and debate. Disagreeing is fine, but let’s focus on scientific and logical arguments rather than personal attacks. If we allow bias and name-calling to take over, we lose the chance to actually learn from each other. Let’s challenge ideas, not each other, and keep this conversation respectful and productive.
you’re muddying the water. the later dynasties had add mixture but the original inhabitants of the land were were hamitic which were dark skinned Africans.
Not really. They were Brown skin. North Africa is in the temperate climate zone. People in these area tend to have a Brown complexion. People in the tropics tend to be darker.
@@MrAmhara If ever you're brown skin you're not from that region It's either you're part of the 600AD gang or you arrived later thru the Ottoman Empire who we're controlling the Sahel region in its later phase
Relax, folks! Asiacentrism is not sleeping. It's just took a snap. The more ancient dynasty statues we see the more Turanid features we observe in them. It's in earnest
You are right about this people in the south of Egypt indeed have darker skin tones, I didn't mention otherwise. That is differnt than calling the full Egyptian civilization a black Negro civilization. Have you heard about the Coptic Christian population in Egypt who have limited mixing with the invadors? ruclips.net/video/tMGZKVJqnnc/видео.html
@@77Creation The Dogon people that's currently residing in Mali are Indigenous to that Land and than there's another people that's occupying the coastal side of Ghana which is also Indigenous to that land These are facts and no pseudo historical lies to constantly perpetuate the inferiority of the Afrikan
@@shanegedula8183 this video in no way inferiorities the African because Egyptians ARE African, but what he is arguing is African doesn't equal Black. We are North Africans and we come in many skin tones and we are proud of it ..
@@echoes_of_egypt-Jlimited mixing 😂. You're referring to the new coptics not the actual coptics who are different from the so called ethnoreligious new coptics who were given that name as a deliberate distraction from what coptic really is.
Mary Lefkowitz was destroyed in that debate against John Henry Clarke by the way. She had absolutely nothing of intellectual value to add to the discourse and was embarrassed in the debate. The consensus among academics today is that the anthropological and genetic data both prove ancient Egyptians cluster with black Africans such as sudanese, Ethiopians, Kenyans etc. Diop’s work has been confirmed by today’s academics across all fields ot study.
I haven't talked about this debate in my video maybe in the future who knows, however for now my channel focuses about Egyptian history and culture not ancient Greece....but anyways I simply disagree with you
@echoes_of_egypt-J you don't see the point wow ok listen when I hear Arabs claiming that so-called black people are stealing their culture while ignoring the fact that the original people of Kemet were indeed people who came from lower Africa FYI go research what the Arabs were doing at the time of the pyramids being built all of them these so-called egyptologist are nothing but white supremacists and the very thought that the people they call sub-human developed all the science's of the mind is intolerable
You can refer to my sources some of which are from reputable journals like Nature, which have rigorous peer review processes. The Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century but they didn't wipe out and massacared the whole Egyptians and replaced them with an Arab population. Egyptians remained Egyptians, though some mixed with Arabs and later invaders, while others, like the Copts, had limited external mixing. You can refer to this study pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4446898/ This is an excerpt from the study "The North African/Middle Eastern genetic component is identified especially in Copts. The Coptic population present in Sudan is an example of a recent migration from Egypt over the past two centuries. They are close to Egyptians in the PCA, but remain a differentiated cluster, showing their own component at k = 4 (Fig. 3). Copts lack the influence found in Egyptians from Qatar, an Arabic population. It may suggest that Copts have a genetic composition that could resemble the ancestral Egyptian population, without the present strong Arab influence." Of course, I strongly oppose Eurocentric narratives and white supremacy-history should be approached with fairness and respect for all peoples. No one should ever be called a sub-human; you can refer to reference number 5 for that. Also, calling me ‘lame’ is an ad hominem attack, which doesn’t contribute to a productive discussion. I think it's better to focus on the evidence rather than personal insults.
Eurocentrism is funny to me because b.c.e era "Europeans" the Hellenes and Romans aren't "white" from an Anglo Saxon perspective. This is why they've flooded the market with Roman era movies with actors with blue eyes and British accents. Even today you known a Roman when you see them. Egyptians are Africans they just want no part of the stigma. Europeans will be blissfully ignorant of why Egypt did not want an Israeli (Gal Gadot) playing a Pharaoh in Kleopatra. Their self serving nature requires constant affirmation through the whitewashing of antiquity placing themselves in places that they were not. The miseducated amongst them still attempt to pull Ancient Egypt into Asia or the Mediterranean (like that matters they weren't there until just before the time of Jesus) despite modern Egyptians telling them this is incorrect and that Asia was part of the Nine Bows. Modern Egyptians understand how stupid the Eurocentric "1 drop rule" is as do most Africans. They have pushed this notion of purity but have forgotten that Ancient Greeks had zero interest in traveling to Northern Europe and the Romans thought they were backwards and dimwitted (wading through the muck and mire with blue painted bodies and iron around their necks like it was gold). One thing though that has remained steadfast is their ability to fight. From Vandals and Visigoths to Vikings and Normans. The ability to effectively wage war is the chief skillset of the European. This is why they live in a constant state of paranoia.
Indeed, Eurocentric views and whitewashing in movies are a real issue. However, we cannot correct a racial bias with another. Instead of repeating past mistakes, we should strive to be fair and historically accurate rather than reactive.
@@echoes_of_egypt-JToday Eurocentrism is part of history. There is no real european scholar that tries to appropriate other groups history and cultures. Afrocentrism is in full swing and they constantly bring “racism “ and “ Eurocentrism “ as an excuse anytime you don’t accept their hoaxes.
@echoes_of_egypt-J before 332 bce when a group of barbarians invaded Egypt and forcefully seized control there's no record of Europeans contacting the Africans in Africa. We can all agree that a group of savages from Macedonia tyrannically seized control of Egypt in 332 bce.
the egyptians who are now living in lower egypt do not have a brown reddish color, the people living in the mediterranean do not have this color. but in sub-sahara afrika some people have this color, and some people of upper egypt still have this color. upper egypt is where the civilization started, so 1+1=2. subsahara africa has all shades of (black) brown people. the people living now in lower egyptare not brown reddish they have more of a very light brow yellow color and they dont have the wooly hair depicted on the egyptian drawings
The lady playing Cleopatra is an English actress. One of her parents is English. The other of African origin. Does not make her a subsaharan African far from it, as most light skinned Egyptians accused her as.
The "documentary" is accused of disregarding historical facts about the ptolemic family and assuming all of them are of African black descent while they are all Greek. Not just about the actors being of a black skin color, but the supposed experts say that "Cleopatra was black" for sure without any doubt. We can't remove the racist white washing from hollywood with another washing of history.
I am really glad that you said it's my history. If you watch my previous episodes, I mention, the Arabs, Mamluks, Ottomons, French, etc. I just don't see how is this related to the points I mentioned in the video.
Read “The African Origin of civilization By Cheikh Anta Diop, also yall love to say “Afrocentric” like we just up and started changing HIStory out of no where, it was European writers who pointed us to this. Also the sources you chose to use in this video have already Been proved wrong due to racist Biases
I know the reference you are talking about and read it. Which of my sources have been proven wrong and by whom? Was the reference number 1 in the list also proved wrong?
@@echoes_of_egypt-Jyes it was proved wrong even Mary lefkowitz was proven wrong By John Henrik Clarke..look up Dr.John Henrik Clarke vs Mary lefkowitz: The great debate 1996 here on RUclips. John Henrik Clarke challenged this topic on there and also read “Spirituality Before Religions By Kaba Kamene. On top of this if you study Herodotus and Plato you will find that they go into extreme detail on who the original Egyptians were. And also read “Stolen Legacy” By George GM James
@@echoes_of_egypt-J yes all of them were proven wrong lol. Look up Dr. John Henrik Clark vs Mary Lefkowitz: the great debate 1996 here on RUclips. If you study Herodotus and Plato they state clearly who the autochthonous Kemites (“Egyptians) were. Also Kaba Hiawatha Kamene has a Book titled “spirituality Before Religions”. “Stolen legacy By George GM James. Anything great that came out of Africa is taken away from the original inhabitants and given to the foreigners (Europeans)
pfff... give op you already lost this game . even the 2000 year old dead sea scrolls says that they where hamites. Still have to explain why the ancient egyptian head rest , necklace style and many art styles is only to be found in Africa specialy amongst the upper nile countries. the nefertitii head dress is similar to the isicholo so yeah...cope.
You should read more about the Hamites narrative, it's a white superemacy narrative really. And you believe all the stories written in the dead sea scrolls?
Nile river is a maasai word. Just like nailerobi. A place of cool waters. Pharoahs clothes and accessories are nilotic. Maasai What was name of pharaoh wife. "Asiya" turkana, isiya teso. and other nilotes have that womans name. Asiya or isiya. Show me any arab who pieces their skin, has holes in the ears. Or removes front teeth. None. But this is a common traditional of nilotes like maasai, Luo, turkana.
Actually, the word Nile started to appear after the Arab conquest and it might come from Arabic or sematic. In the ancient Egyptian language, the Nile is called Hapy. In Coptic, the word ⲫⲓⲁⲣⲟ, pronounced piaro (Sahidic) or phiaro (Bohairic), means "the river" (lit. p(h).iar-o "the.canal-great"), and comes from the same ancient name. Furthermore, I never claimed that Arabs are related to Ancient Egyptians to make the comparison.
I will never attack anyone personally for having a different view, and I hope this can be a safe space for open discussion and debate. Disagreeing is fine, but let’s focus on scientific and logical arguments rather than personal attacks. If we allow bias and name-calling to take over, we lose the chance to actually learn from each other. Let’s challenge ideas, not each other, and keep this conversation respectful and productive.
you’re muddying the water. the later dynasties had add mixture but the original inhabitants of the land were were hamitic which were dark skinned Africans.
Not really. They were Brown skin. North Africa is in the temperate climate zone. People in these area tend to have a Brown complexion. People in the tropics tend to be darker.
@@MrAmhara If ever you're brown skin you're not from that region
It's either you're part of the 600AD gang or you arrived later thru the Ottoman Empire who we're controlling the Sahel region in its later phase
@@shanegedula8183nice comments. The 600 CE gang is a myth though, they actually came in the 1071 seljuk eruption from Afghanistan through Iran.
@@shanegedula8183Hyksos were Arab relatives
Relax, folks! Asiacentrism is not sleeping. It's just took a snap. The more ancient dynasty statues we see the more Turanid features we observe in them. It's in earnest
Yes, the ancient Egyptians were Black. Then the invaders came and mixed up the blood.
But even today a lot of Egyptians look Black. So, yeah...
You are right about this people in the south of Egypt indeed have darker skin tones, I didn't mention otherwise. That is differnt than calling the full Egyptian civilization a black Negro civilization. Have you heard about the Coptic Christian population in Egypt who have limited mixing with the invadors? ruclips.net/video/tMGZKVJqnnc/видео.html
@@77Creation The Dogon people that's currently residing in Mali are Indigenous to that Land and than there's another people that's occupying the coastal side of Ghana which is also Indigenous to that land
These are facts and no pseudo historical lies to constantly perpetuate the inferiority of the Afrikan
@@shanegedula8183 this video in no way inferiorities the African because Egyptians ARE African, but what he is arguing is African doesn't equal Black. We are North Africans and we come in many skin tones and we are proud of it ..
@@echoes_of_egypt-Jlimited mixing 😂. You're referring to the new coptics not the actual coptics who are different from the so called ethnoreligious new coptics who were given that name as a deliberate distraction from what coptic really is.
@@dudzii the people's in north Africa are recent occupiers
Mary Lefkowitz was destroyed in that debate against John Henry Clarke by the way. She had absolutely nothing of intellectual value to add to the discourse and was embarrassed in the debate. The consensus among academics today is that the anthropological and genetic data both prove ancient Egyptians cluster with black Africans such as sudanese, Ethiopians, Kenyans etc. Diop’s work has been confirmed by today’s academics across all fields ot study.
The head of the Sphinx, plus good eye sight and the mystery is solved 😂.
I haven't talked about this debate in my video maybe in the future who knows, however for now my channel focuses about Egyptian history and culture not ancient Greece....but anyways I simply disagree with you
Who cares arabs didn't come to Egypt until 600a.d. SON
Thanks for your comment but I don't see the point you are making. I know the Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th century, that's a fact.
@echoes_of_egypt-J you don't see the point wow ok listen when I hear Arabs claiming that so-called black people are stealing their culture while ignoring the fact that the original people of Kemet were indeed people who came from lower Africa FYI go research what the Arabs were doing at the time of the pyramids being built all of them these so-called egyptologist are nothing but white supremacists and the very thought that the people they call sub-human developed all the science's of the mind is intolerable
@echoes_of_egypt-J fraud
Exactly
You can refer to my sources some of which are from reputable journals like Nature, which have rigorous peer review processes.
The Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century but they didn't wipe out and massacared the whole Egyptians and replaced them with an Arab population. Egyptians remained Egyptians, though some mixed with Arabs and later invaders, while others, like the Copts, had limited external mixing. You can refer to this study pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4446898/
This is an excerpt from the study
"The North African/Middle Eastern genetic component is identified especially in Copts. The Coptic population present in Sudan is an example of a recent migration from Egypt over the past two centuries. They are close to Egyptians in the PCA, but remain a differentiated cluster, showing their own component at k = 4 (Fig. 3). Copts lack the influence found in Egyptians from Qatar, an Arabic population. It may suggest that Copts have a genetic composition that could resemble the ancestral Egyptian population, without the present strong Arab influence."
Of course, I strongly oppose Eurocentric narratives and white supremacy-history should be approached with fairness and respect for all peoples. No one should ever be called a sub-human; you can refer to reference number 5 for that. Also, calling me ‘lame’ is an ad hominem attack, which doesn’t contribute to a productive discussion. I think it's better to focus on the evidence rather than personal insults.
Eurocentrism is funny to me because b.c.e era "Europeans" the Hellenes and Romans aren't "white" from an Anglo Saxon perspective. This is why they've flooded the market with Roman era movies with actors with blue eyes and British accents. Even today you known a Roman when you see them.
Egyptians are Africans they just want no part of the stigma. Europeans will be blissfully ignorant of why Egypt did not want an Israeli (Gal Gadot) playing a Pharaoh in Kleopatra. Their self serving nature requires constant affirmation through the whitewashing of antiquity placing themselves in places that they were not.
The miseducated amongst them still attempt to pull Ancient Egypt into Asia or the Mediterranean (like that matters they weren't there until just before the time of Jesus) despite modern Egyptians telling them this is incorrect and that Asia was part of the Nine Bows.
Modern Egyptians understand how stupid the Eurocentric "1 drop rule" is as do most Africans. They have pushed this notion of purity but have forgotten that Ancient Greeks had zero interest in traveling to Northern Europe and the Romans thought they were backwards and dimwitted (wading through the muck and mire with blue painted bodies and iron around their necks like it was gold). One thing though that has remained steadfast is their ability to fight. From Vandals and Visigoths to Vikings and Normans. The ability to effectively wage war is the chief skillset of the European. This is why they live in a constant state of paranoia.
Indeed, Eurocentric views and whitewashing in movies are a real issue. However, we cannot correct a racial bias with another. Instead of repeating past mistakes, we should strive to be fair and historically accurate rather than reactive.
@@echoes_of_egypt-JToday Eurocentrism is part of history. There is no real european scholar that tries to appropriate other groups history and cultures.
Afrocentrism is in full swing and they constantly bring “racism “ and “ Eurocentrism “ as an excuse anytime you don’t accept their hoaxes.
Loving the sources and the deep dive into the topic 👌🏼👌🏼 keep it up
@@ifilie2 this boy hella dumb enjoy 😭😭😭
Glad you like them! 🤩 more to come!
@@ifilie2 white supremacists rule academia SON WAKE UP
@@ifilie2 white supremacists rule academia
Cleopatra was from the Ptolemy clan. The original Pharoahs were not them.
Exactly
@echoes_of_egypt-J before 332 bce when a group of barbarians invaded Egypt and forcefully seized control there's no record of Europeans contacting the Africans in Africa. We can all agree that a group of savages from Macedonia tyrannically seized control of Egypt in 332 bce.
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Yet not one single one of them was black .
the egyptians who are now living in lower egypt do not have a brown reddish color, the people living in the mediterranean do not have this color. but in sub-sahara afrika some people have this color, and some people of upper egypt still have this color. upper egypt is where the civilization started,
so 1+1=2. subsahara africa has all shades of (black) brown people. the people living now in lower egyptare not brown reddish they have more of a very light brow yellow color and they dont have the wooly hair depicted on the egyptian drawings
The lady playing Cleopatra is an English actress. One of her parents is English. The other of African origin. Does not make her a subsaharan African far from it, as most light skinned Egyptians accused her as.
The "documentary" is accused of disregarding historical facts about the ptolemic family and assuming all of them are of African black descent while they are all Greek. Not just about the actors being of a black skin color, but the supposed experts say that "Cleopatra was black" for sure without any doubt. We can't remove the racist white washing from hollywood with another washing of history.
Do you know how many invasion took place in Egypt before people of Arabian descent claimed that land? You need to learn your history well.
I am really glad that you said it's my history. If you watch my previous episodes, I mention, the Arabs, Mamluks, Ottomons, French, etc. I just don't see how is this related to the points I mentioned in the video.
@@echoes_of_egypt-J not you history 😂😂
statue they show in the start of the clip is an unknow person found in a villa
There are other statues of Cleopatra with simmilar features so as coins with her name and face.
Read “The African Origin of civilization By Cheikh Anta Diop, also yall love to say “Afrocentric” like we just up and started changing HIStory out of no where, it was European writers who pointed us to this. Also the sources you chose to use in this video have already Been proved wrong due to racist Biases
@@speed_dillinga7680 holla at this lame my G
@@kayla3456It's a shame because you havev an Arab trying to play on team White Supremacy.
I know the reference you are talking about and read it. Which of my sources have been proven wrong and by whom? Was the reference number 1 in the list also proved wrong?
@@echoes_of_egypt-Jyes it was proved wrong even Mary lefkowitz was proven wrong By John Henrik Clarke..look up Dr.John Henrik Clarke vs Mary lefkowitz: The great debate 1996 here on RUclips. John Henrik Clarke challenged this topic on there and also read “Spirituality Before Religions By Kaba Kamene. On top of this if you study Herodotus and Plato you will find that they go into extreme detail on who the original Egyptians were. And also read “Stolen Legacy” By George GM James
@@echoes_of_egypt-J yes all of them were proven wrong lol. Look up Dr. John Henrik Clark vs Mary Lefkowitz: the great debate 1996 here on RUclips. If you study Herodotus and Plato they state clearly who the autochthonous Kemites (“Egyptians) were. Also Kaba Hiawatha Kamene has a Book titled “spirituality Before Religions”. “Stolen legacy By George GM James. Anything great that came out of Africa is taken away from the original inhabitants and given to the foreigners (Europeans)
They were Habesha brown African.
😂😂😂😂 coming with this shit... you should ask yourself.."WHY I'm afraid of black"?
So sad for you
8:10 Let the people under the horse is the same complexion as the pharaoh. Or at least half of them.
8:30 it would be way more accurate to call them pale skin did instead of white skin.
pfff... give op you already lost this game . even the 2000 year old dead sea scrolls says that they where hamites. Still have to explain why the ancient egyptian head rest , necklace style and many art styles is only to be found in Africa specialy amongst the upper nile countries. the nefertitii head dress is similar to the isicholo so yeah...cope.
You should read more about the Hamites narrative, it's a white superemacy narrative really. And you believe all the stories written in the dead sea scrolls?
Was Ramses 3 Black?
How come we can't white DNA in ancient Egypt?
How come we can't find any other DNA except black DNA.
It is Africa not Europe
Actually of you read the sources you can find DNA from Greeks and eastern European
Also we are well aware that we are also African, but African doesn't equal black 🖤
@ What Greek or Eastern Europeans are that? Because every DNA found so far among mummies are African.
@ Where do black people come from then? Europe? Does white mean Humans?
@ Does white==humans?
Nile river is a maasai word. Just like nailerobi. A place of cool waters.
Pharoahs clothes and accessories are nilotic. Maasai
What was name of pharaoh wife. "Asiya" turkana, isiya teso. and other nilotes have that womans name. Asiya or isiya.
Show me any arab who pieces their skin, has holes in the ears. Or removes front teeth. None. But this is a common traditional of nilotes like maasai, Luo, turkana.
Actually, the word Nile started to appear after the Arab conquest and it might come from Arabic or sematic.
In the ancient Egyptian language, the Nile is called Hapy. In Coptic, the word ⲫⲓⲁⲣⲟ, pronounced piaro (Sahidic) or phiaro (Bohairic), means "the river" (lit. p(h).iar-o "the.canal-great"), and comes from the same ancient name.
Furthermore, I never claimed that Arabs are related to Ancient Egyptians to make the comparison.
Kemets yes! Egyptians no!
😂😂😂 for once it's the way around...
Fake fake fake super lame
I read through the comments, honestly you’re hella lame. Go get a life.
That the truth
You are fake
@@georgemoneer842 girl what you know
This boy hella lame
Looks like this vid cut deep if you have to come back to it every 4hrs 🫢🫢
@dudzii no boo boo just had to correct your lady