If he cared more about the necklace than Rose, he never would have casually put the coat on her without hesitating. I’m sure it was insured, and even if it wasn’t, he had the means to sue the White Star Line for the value of his lost property. Cal was deeply flawed, but he did love Rose.
@@mikeg8276 I understand where you’re coming from and I agree about him probably caring more about Rose than the necklace. But I don’t think he truly loved Rose. Love is more than just wanting that person. It means wanting that person to be happy and doing what is best for them. Love is both a feeling and an action. Also, “flawed” is an understatement. He was straight up abusive to Rose. I think her mom was actually even worse, though
I think it’s more about putting characters in context. Not to defend his character - by our modern standards he is a massive jackass. But put him in his time period, he was a very typical product of his social class and upbringing and I think Cal loved Rose within that same context.
Bill Paxton's character revealed to elderly Rose that Cal filed an insurance claim on the diamond a week after Titanic sank, which lead the team of explorers to believe that the diamond was still on the ship. So Cal had to survive, and he had to believe that young Rose sank, along with the diamond.
Cal didn't file the claim, his father Nathan (?) did, as a Bill Paxton's character says when he first meets elderly Rose. He asked her who the claimant was and she says "I should imagine someone named Hockley" and he says "that's right. Nathan Hockley, Pittsburgh steel tycoon." I think his name is Nathan, anyway..
He was not concerned for Rose, he was shooting at them when the ship was going down. He remembered the necklace was in the jacket and that's what he was after.
I want to know if anyone remembers a scene where they're setting off distress flares or something from the Titanic once it starts sinking. There was another boat close enough to see the flares but not the actual Titanic and the captain or someone on the other ship says "Looks like they're having a party on the Titanic." Thinking they were fireworks or maybe they were trying to use fireworks as distress flares. I swear to god I saw that scene in the theater. What brought it to mind was the other day my mother rewatched it and commented on that scene being missing too but I don't think her and I have ever talked about it. I looked for it on every copy I could find all the way back to VHS. We must've imagined it but we both remember it the same way..
I've heard that theaters get versions of movies that sometimes don't make it to the home versions (VHS/DVD). Its happened to me with Panorama Activity when watching in the theater. I have yet to find the same version again.
@@jaime7932I remember them setting off flairs and then they cut to a scene in the distance looking at titanic, but not from another ship or person commenting.
In the original screenplay, Cal found her and she blackmailed him, threatening to reveal his cowardly behavior on the Titanic if he ever told anyone she was alive.
“The crash of ‘29 hit his interests hard, and he put a pistol in his mouth that year. His children fought over the scraps of his estate like hyenas, or so I read.” -Rose Calvert 1996
Whatever everyone thinks, I always felt that he did care abt Rose. Yes he was arrogant as he was brought up rich but somehow you can tell he wanted to be a better person.
@@beneddiected Regardless of Cal’s true intentions I’m sure it seemed from Rose’s perspective that he was trying to kill them both. He was also shooting very wildly with a handgun, and very well could’ve hit either one of them.
Did his character have any children prior to the sinking? The boat sank in April of 1912 and he committed suicide in 1929. That would put any children he sired *immediately* after no older than 16 years of age. Would they even have thought to fight over money? I guess...
There was another scene i didnt see.when rose and cal aboarding the titanic and cal saysyou make it sound like youre going to your execution....i believe it was on the original trailer
Well they can’t read the news on the internet nor social media yet at that time and traveling to wherever he is isn’t gonna be easy for a woman with modest income at that time.
@@beysmentssecuritycamera6013 why tf would she stalk someone she was miserable with? Basically the only other way she would have known is “ reading about it” . Y’all not even making sense at this point
He never beat her. He slapped her one time after she cuckolded him and rubbed his nose in it by leaving the drawing and a nasty note in their safe. I’m not saying the slap was ok, but it was an emotional reaction to an extraordinary slight, and not the signature of a domestic abuser, who would have broken bones for that. I also believe Cal was aiming for Jack in order to save Rose, because by that time he realized she wouldn’t leave the ship without Jack as long as he lived, and Jack would never be allowed into a boat.
In the original script, he finds Rose. And James Cameron writes that we see that indeed he loves her, but in his own twisted way. She tells him to forget her and to inform her mother that her daughter died on the Titanic (so this also answers me a question I had for years, whether her mother ever heard from her again). He never asks for the necklace. For what I know, this was never filmed. The script is available online for free and it is very interesting for those who love the movie.
I found a book on the making of thr titanic at the library with the script and notes. I remember wondering how that would have changed the dynamic if he had known she was alive
@panloum I think I must be the only person who hated the film. I'd been interested in the disaster for quite some time. I tracked down several excellent books which gave me a good overview. The film was, to me, utterly boring. I wondered what James Cameron had studied. People doing Irish dancing, wearing classic dance clothing, full face of make-up, together with perfect hair, was just plain stupid. Those in the bowels of the ship, the lowest class, were going to the "New World" to work. The conditions were disgraceful and definitely not conducive to dancing. As the sinking ship very slowly went down, I said "just sink it, we all know what happens". I didn't mean to speak aloud. Then we have Rose, in freezing seawater, calling "Jaaaaack, Jaaaaack, endlessly. I could hear lots of people crying. Finally, the film ended. I rose from my seat and made my way out with my friends, amid a jungle of tissues and tears. I just couldn't understand why anybody didn't see the obvious errors. I kept my head down. I've not liked DeCaprio since. He's creepy.
Yup! And I quote: _"Rose is sipping hot tea. Her eyes focus on him as he approaches her. He barely recognizes her. She looks like a refugee, her matted hair hanging in her eyes."_ *ROSE:* Yes, I lived. How awkward for you. *CAL:* Rose... your mother and I have been looking for you-- _She holds up her hand, stopping him._ *ROSE:* Please don't. Don't talk. Just listen. We will make a deal, since that is something you understand. From this moment you do not exist for me, nor I for you. You shall not see me again. And you will not attempt to find me. In return I will keep my silence. Your actions last night need never come to light, and you will get to keep the honor you have carefully purchased. _She fixes him with a glare as cold and hard as the ice which changed their lives._ *ROSE:* _Is this in any way unclear?_ It's interesting as an almost 18-year old to see Rose making a sort off 'Art Of The Deal' with Cal here.🤔 That aside, I understand why it was cut. Concerning that it could have taken the story of Jack into a different direction too. You know, making it too much about "Rose" ... and not the victims lost in Titanic.
this was a horrible scene because everyone had been on the boat as it sank but they still separated them by class.. "none of your people would be down here.." that is just sad..
I think there did that so the passengers could find echather better. It is the same as today. First day on a Cruseship you train an emergency were there devide the Passengers in Groubs an tell them what to do in an emergency. I think the chaos with the Lifeboats on the Titanic was one of the reasons wy there do the training today. LG
Concern was largely over the spread of disease. Steerage passengers had a much higher rate of communicable diseases compared to second and third class passengers.
The line where it reveals that Cal lost all of his money in 1929 shows that in 1912, marrying Cal was the right thing to do, financially, but in the long-term it wouldn't have accomplished anything.
@@hmacklemore2226unless him marrying her could’ve somehow prevented the Great Depression, which began in 1929, then nah he would’ve still lost everything lol
@@harleyquinn5774yes, that's why they said it was the right thing to do financially in 1912. But he lost everything in the crash so it just would have stopped her from being poor for a few more years
He was actually going bald at this point so that's a pretty convincing wig he's wearing. He's also in his early 40s in this movie and looks ten years younger.
In a version of the TITANIC script another extended scene went as follows: Cal pans the refugees and sees Rose and then makes a fast beeline towards her. Rose: I see, you've found me, and I live, how very awkward for you. Cal: Rose, I have be...... Rose: STOP!! You are really looking for something else Cal: I'm so glad that you are alright Rose: I will make a deal with you, if you leave me alone and don't try to find me, I won't reveal what you tried to do on the ship Cal: B-b-but what do I tell your mother? Rose: Tell my mother that her daughter died on the Titanic.
It makes sense that at that time Cal would know that he could never win back Rose’s affection after what he did and what they had been through. He could easily find someone else to make a fresh start, and so could she.
So let me see if I'm getting this right he didn't want rose he wanted the jewelry and when he couldn't have both he killed himself and his kids fought for his stuff like wild hyenas 🤔🤔
It's also good that they cut the part of the hyenas, because that would show that Rose was still somehow interested on Cal and his legacy. As they choose to simply put 'i read that' shows how little she cared about his abusive fiance.
He’s not concerned for Rose. He’s concerned for himself. An abusive partner can still have feelings of wanting companionship with the person they abuse
He really didn't abuse her. She cheated on him and left a naked photo of herself in Cal's safe after he bought her and her family out of the poverty they otherwise would be in. Typical mindless virtue signalling
He's concerned for rose from the very beginning,it's just he's doing it in the wrong way.Also why would he buy a 50million dollar necklace for rose anyway?Any man would be angry to see Cal's action wasting money,time and energy for a girl who never show an effort on him.Poor cal.
@larabonczek9437Women are able to get away with striking men, cheating on them, and then divorcing them while taking much of what they own. Society has most definitely changed...
@@chantellesenanayake4026 if he just wanted the diamond wouldnt have he been mad at yell “rose” angrily instead of his soft worried “rose”? i genuinely feel like he saw her and cared abt her as a person at least in this scene
A guy can love someone and still be a selfish bastard. He maybe looking for Rose in concern, but it's out of his own selfishness because of his desire to posses her.
I agree. I think he did love her in his own twisted way, but he was a product of his time and saw her as belonging to him. It was 1912, so it really isn't surprising.
The line about Cals kids fighting over his estate is probably taken from John Jacob Astors kids doing the same thing, he left the majority of his fortune to his eldest son and some to his daughter while his new wife and son only got a fraction of it, JJ Astor Junior fought long and hard for what he felt was rightfully theirs and even fought his brother's wife after his death for it
Perhaps. That's still something we don't know fully the extent of the aftermath that had on all the Astor Kids. We know some of how it effected JJ junior but not all of it
@@sweetbitter2 yes, the wealthiest man on the ship. James Cameron made a documentary, released in 2017, Titanic: 20 Years Later, and he talked with JJ Astor’s granddaughter (her grandmother Madeleine was pregnant with JJ Jr., Jackie’s father, when the Titanic went down)
@@sweetbitter2 well it is about a real ship. Probably the only fictional characters in the movie were the main characters. Even Molly Brown was a real person.
I definitely remember this being on my box VHS set where I had to change the tapes out midway through to finish the rest of the movie 😂 I used to consider one the fun titanic part of the movie and the 2nd the sad part of the movie
You know, I think he did truly care for her, but he loved the idea of her more than he loved her. He wanted to possess and control her, not love her as she is. I also think that he was hurting and lost his shit when she chose to be with Jack. He didn't want Rose dead when he chased them with the gun. He wanted Jack dead.
My favorite quote from her was also cut from this at the very end. Just after she gives her name as Rose Dawson, old Rose says “Can you exchange one life for another? A caterpillar turns into a butterfly; if a mindless insect can do it, why couldn’t I? Was it any more unimaginable than the sinking of the Titanic?”
If she didn't want to be property then she shouldn't have dated him. And i've never heard of someone spending 50 million on a necklace for someone they view as their property
@@dragorn3212 she was like 17 and her mom literally manipulated her and sold her to that guy to save her own ass from poverty,Rose knew no better until she met Jack. He saved her in every way,just like she said.
The original scene we saw in the movie was best. I love the look on Rose's face as she sees him first and hides not wanting him to find her. Very dramatic and heartbreaking with her entire ordeal.
That's actually realistic how he is genuinely concerned at the same time would shoot a gun at her when she pissed him off. That's how toxic relationships are. A real life example, the Tiktoker Jinnkid loved his wife at the same time, shot her dead after she dumped him and was filing for a divorce and finding a new partner. He couldn't accept the fact that the relationship was over and so he killed her. A "if I can't have you, no one can" event. Truly tragic. I think that's how Cal is too. He has genuine affection for Rose at the same time sees her as his property. Be careful when getting into a relationship with a partner like that. Toxic relationships can become deadly.
Yeah, my ex boyfriend was completely unstable, but he was genuinely capable of caring just as much of hating. He was a product of his culture and upbringing (dad would also love him but beat him and his mom ‘just to discipline’ when they did something deemed immoral because that’s how he was brought up too).. People (me included) are quick to say this isn’t ever love, because indeed it can’t be, but humans are more complex than that, and if taught hurting your loved ones it’s just part of life, and that if you compensate in other ways it makes it all better (because you normalized when it was done to you too).. that’s how you’re gonna be until you understand otherwise
@@renatacantore3684nope. She was a disgrace. She knew she was marrying him solely for his money and instead of being up front she decided to cheat and disrespect him in front of his face. Also took rhe diamond, fucked him off and never thought she should hand it back. Wonder if the man she married after jack was an ATM too. Like mother like daughter
I also think this was cut as it makes Cal slightly sympathetic, and really at this point it’s Rose’s story. It interrupts the emotional continuity for the audience.
@@bigol9223 She was a teenager forcefully engaged to a 30 year old b--rd 💀 A true man wouldn’t treat and look at his finance like property instead of a person, try to control her, abuse her or shoot at her.
@@bigol9223 That “woman” was a 17 year old girl and that “fiancé” was a 30 year old pos that got engaged to a teenager to treat her like property and abuse her. Abuser advocate 📸🚩🤡
@@Glock18401oh yh a girl who doesn't show interest in you, who her mum made her marry cal cuz of there financial situation, oh yh rose is not interested in a guy that hates poor people, that doesn't show her love instead of buying it, that hits her, throws a table at her, tries to kill jack knowing dam well he could of shot rose and k*lled her, but yh he is an abuser but she should of been interested in him cuz he Brought her a necklace 🙄 u sound pathetic and dumb
Titanic is one of the movies where the deleted and cut scenes truly make the movie so much better. Had these been included the movie would have been shitty really. Especially if the movie had the alternate ending.
I agree. While the Titanic-obsessed part of me craves more content, most of the deleted scenes were wisely cut. They either slowed the pace down, distracted from the main story, or lacked subtlety (e.g. “on-the-nose” humor, cringey dialogue, obvious symbolism, doubling down on things already established about the characters, etc.).
@@stquatro Partly disagree. Some scenes for action were rightly cut, like the fight scene between Lovejoy and Jack. However, other deleted scenes would have made Titanic more beautiful and would have hit you more in the feels, like Rose & Jack seeing a shooting star and singing "Come Josephine in my flying machine" etc.
There is alot deleted scenes, i wish they show a bit of fabricio meeting olga on the boat , they did show him dancing with her when he hold her hand at the party , just a bit for the viewers that he did his thing while jack was doing his, bc it felt like best friends were going together on a trip and then he was nowhere since the irish party and then meet up at the nearly end
Does anyone know if there’s a way to watch the movie with all the deleted scenes? I remember watching Troy with all the deleted scenes somewhere (wich btw is sooo much better!!!)
@@kora4185 You can, but it won't be in 3D. Just 2D, because, Titanic *never* went in its full 3D conversion back in 2012, when it was re-released as part of the 100th anniversary of Titanic.
@@MsClepsydra they met in the delete scenes , where they show 3rd class and you will see in the movie where jack hugs helga and ask where he is when they are stuck at the gate , that is the lady, and it's helga lol not olga
in all honesty. he probably would have beat her once they made it to New York for running away with Jack on the Titanic. as for her mother. she probably went back to being a seamstress since Rose was presumed dead and had no connection to Cal. what i also love about this movie is that even though they aren’t main characters. you still get screen time from noticeable people on the Titanic like Cora, Fabrizzio’s love interest and parents and many other noticeable background characters.
Oh he loves Rose alright…he loves to posses, beat, control her, and treat her like _his_ property. If you equate abuse with love, then it’s you who is the twisted one. There is absolutely nothing loving about abusing someone. The only thing he loved was that diamond necklace, that was his only concern.
@chrisjackson8151 Guess what, abusers function like that. They hold you up on a pedestal, then do something awful to you when you do something that isn't in line with their idea of how you should be. Loving her in his own selfish way is exactly what we are shown.
It does not fit, though...if he died in 1929, it was 17 years after the Titanic sank. By then he couldn't have had grown-up children to fight over the scraps of his estate...
Even if the children were 17 years old..in this era, they may have been married and considered grown at that age. Besides possibly wealthy clients no matter their age, will always have lawyers interested in representing them in small effort to secure a big portion of their potential winnings.
The kids line being taken out makes sense it's a tight window of 17 years for him to find a wife marry, have multiple kids to fight over his estate not impossible but would end up as a ding in the "everything wrong with" video
I know I never understand that and this is coming from a woman mind you when a woman cheats she has every excuse in the world but if a man does the same oh his this his that yes Cal is not innocent by no means but Rose isn’t either
@@ShabreaChandlerOkay but Rose is a 17 year old forced to marry someone nearly double her age. She's basically a child so yeah she makes mistakes. It's not right to cheat,no, but he doesn't treat her right and Jack did and she actually loved Jack and wanted to marry him unlike Cal. She was a teenager who felt pressured by her mother.
According to the script: Rose is sipping hot tea. Her eyes focus on him as he approaches her. He barely recognizes her. She looks like a refugee, her matted hair hanging in her eyes. ROSE: “Yes, I lived. How awkward for you.” CAL: “Rose... your mother and I have been looking for you --“ She holds up her hand, stopping him. ROSE: “Please don't. Don't talk. Just listen. We will make a deal, since that is something you understand. From this moment, you do not exist for me, nor I for you. You shall not see me again. And you will not attempt to find me. In return, I will keep my silence. Your actions last night need never come to light, and you will get to keep the honor you have carefully purchased.” She fixes him with a glare as cold and hard as the ice which changed their lives. ROSE: “Is this in any way unclear?” CAL (after a long beat): “What do I tell your mother?” ROSE: “Tell her that her daughter died with the Titanic.” She stands, turning to the rail. Dismissing him. We see Cal stricken with emotion. CAL: “You're precious to me, Rose.” ROSE: “Jewels are precious. Goodbye, Mr. Hockley.” We see that in his way, the only way he knows, he does truly love her. After a moment, he turns and walks away. OLD ROSE (V.O.): “That was the last time I ever saw him. He married, of course, and inherited his millions. The crash of ‘29 hit his interests hard, and he put a pistol in his mouth that year. His children fought over the scraps of his estate like hyenas, or so I read.”
I do believe he loved her . His ego couldn’t stand that she didn’t love him . She was a complete bombshell of the time and the fact she wasn’t in awe of him he would have found so attractive and it wouldn’t have been uncommon for them to still get married after her affair . I also believe her granddaughter Lizzie is jacks granddaughter she’s blonde big blue eyed and kind . We don’t know her grandfather wasn’t a kind man who fell for rose like everyone else . I’ve always had a funny feeling she had jacks child
my vhs has the deleted on it not in the extras or anything else it's actually in the movie so the deleted ending I've been watching isn't actually the ending...
This makes him a much more sympathetic villain. It's harder to hate someone when you see their vulnerability and pain. The way he says "Rose" sounds scared and tender. He's still a piece of shit, but now he's one that I actually care about lol
@@dragorn3212I can step into his shoes and realize he was her husband. He didn't cheat on her, he was a little bit of a jerk, but he gave her everything. Yet she wasn't happy because she wasn't in love with him. He forgave her cheating he slapped her he didn't beat her. He wasn't this villian he felt that another man was ripping his marriage apart.
Cal wasnt a real villian like most people believe. He event risked his live to not enter the reque boats while he got the chance just to get Rose back while he knew she was with Jack.
I just saw Titanic in Peru for its anniversary. Anyway, it had all of these scenes. I didn't pay much mind to it. But it explains why my bf didn't remember these scenes.
Man, I wish they’d kept that bit with Old Rose there. I felt like it ran a little smoother than what we got! It also would’ve showed just how much of a mess Cal’s family and his legacy was. 😂
Given that the Titanic sank in 1912, and Cal had no children yet, his children probably only would have been 16 and younger when the market crashed. Maybe that's why they edited out the line about them fighting over his estate.
@@sunnyc4853 Sure. But I was thinking they were *at max* 16, likely being several years younger. Hard to picture a 10 year old, for instance, fighting over their father's estate. (Though I suppose it could also be a rich culture thing.)
They had to cut the stuff about his kids because that would have made no sense even if he started having kids right after the Titanic sank the oldest one would be nearly eighteen in the crash of 29 how would they fight over his estate
The deleted line is interesting because if Cal married in 1912-13 at the EARLIEST and had his first child one year later, his kids would’ve barely been adults when they started fighting over the estate (assuming Cal dies before or around FDR is elected in 1932-33). It shines a light on to what kind of upbringing the kids might have had to be like that at such a young age. It’s also possible that like JJ Astor he married multiple times and it was the MOMS of the kids taking the lead at first. (Yes I know the timeline sounds unrealistic)
I don’t know because he definitely didn’t. He’s a monster. Rose was his property. He was probably more hoping to find the necklace in her pocket and sell it. He took a pistol and shot at her repeatedly the last time he saw her so as soon as life resumed after the sinking, he would’ve gone back to being an abusive, controlling nightmare
I think he didn't regret anything. He was looking for the necklace and the beautiful wife-to-be that he claimed as his property. I don't think it was love at all, just status
@@lindsay9838 my gawd do you people even watch the movie or just sheepishly repeat the same virtue signaling garage? He wasn't a 'monster,' Rose wasn't his property she willingly dated Cal. He's not a slave owner. The fact that he lifted her family out of poverty and he's somehow the monster in womens mind shows why relationships are completely failing in this country, because nothing a guy does can possibly satisfy women and their victim complex
It would’ve been more interesting to show him genuinely caring that Rose survived. Villains are much more interesting when they have a shred of goodness in them.
That wasn’t a deleted scene. Idk if y’all turned it off after rose got on the boat but they showed them getting saved, and Cal looking for rose. At least it showed in the version i watched.
Everyone in the comments shitting on a guy that just wanted the best for an uneducated woman looking for “real happiness” in a homeless guy who used to slept with French prostitutes. She lied to him a dozen of times, she posed nude for the homeless guy in his own room with the expensive gift he gave it to her as he said “there’s nothing I wouldn’t do to make you happy”, then she f the homeless in a car. After all that shit he slapped her and he’s the bad guy. Yeah sure, if you want to blame someone blame her mother and blame her for being dishonest in the first place.
Billy Zane can play one of the most vile men on the planet because hes got tgat look and that voice, but is actually a real gentleman and is so sweet 😊😊😊❤
y’all just forgetting everything else he did to her just because he seemed concerned for a few seconds😭y’all pleasseee he literally mentally and physically abused her
No matter how concerned he may seem, I know he was looking for that necklace.
If he cared more about the necklace than Rose, he never would have casually put the coat on her without hesitating. I’m sure it was insured, and even if it wasn’t, he had the means to sue the White Star Line for the value of his lost property. Cal was deeply flawed, but he did love Rose.
@@mikeg8276lmfao it’s genuinely sad that you can look at that psychotic asshole that wanted a pretty trophy wife to control and call it love
@@mikeg8276 I understand where you’re coming from and I agree about him probably caring more about Rose than the necklace. But I don’t think he truly loved Rose. Love is more than just wanting that person. It means wanting that person to be happy and doing what is best for them. Love is both a feeling and an action. Also, “flawed” is an understatement. He was straight up abusive to Rose. I think her mom was actually even worse, though
I think it’s more about putting characters in context. Not to defend his character - by our modern standards he is a massive jackass. But put him in his time period, he was a very typical product of his social class and upbringing and I think Cal loved Rose within that same context.
Yes in the scene that was left in the movie, we could think that, but the extented scene showes that he wanted to find rose
Bill Paxton's character revealed to elderly Rose that Cal filed an insurance claim on the diamond a week after Titanic sank, which lead the team of explorers to believe that the diamond was still on the ship. So Cal had to survive, and he had to believe that young Rose sank, along with the diamond.
Cal didn't file the claim, his father Nathan (?) did, as a Bill Paxton's character says when he first meets elderly Rose. He asked her who the claimant was and she says "I should imagine someone named Hockley" and he says "that's right. Nathan Hockley, Pittsburgh steel tycoon." I think his name is Nathan, anyway..
Oooh wow yeah
@@saltycrunch according to wiki, that could still be Cal’s name. His name is Caledon Nathan Hockley.
@@shinichigojir12 Unlikely. Nathan was his father; he filed the claim, and the explorers knew that, presumably, because they saw the claim.
I hardly think Cal would be above insurance fraud, considering all the other horrible acts he committed willingly
He was not concerned for Rose, he was shooting at them when the ship was going down. He remembered the necklace was in the jacket and that's what he was after.
He wanted Jack dead not rose
I want to know if anyone remembers a scene where they're setting off distress flares or something from the Titanic once it starts sinking. There was another boat close enough to see the flares but not the actual Titanic and the captain or someone on the other ship says "Looks like they're having a party on the Titanic." Thinking they were fireworks or maybe they were trying to use fireworks as distress flares. I swear to god I saw that scene in the theater. What brought it to mind was the other day my mother rewatched it and commented on that scene being missing too but I don't think her and I have ever talked about it. I looked for it on every copy I could find all the way back to VHS. We must've imagined it but we both remember it the same way..
I've heard that theaters get versions of movies that sometimes don't make it to the home versions (VHS/DVD). Its happened to me with Panorama Activity when watching in the theater. I have yet to find the same version again.
It’s true I remember seeing it.
Creo que esa escena es de otra película que se llama "La última noche del Titanic".
I think maybe that scene is in the earlier film, A Night to Remember....
@@jaime7932I remember them setting off flairs and then they cut to a scene in the distance looking at titanic, but not from another ship or person commenting.
In the original screenplay, Cal found her and she blackmailed him, threatening to reveal his cowardly behavior on the Titanic if he ever told anyone she was alive.
Thank God it was cut. Awful dialogue.
Great movie- but always amazed me how Rose never Felt the huge Diamond in her pocket as Cold as it was with her hand/s.
“The crash of ‘29 hit his interests hard, and he put a pistol in his mouth that year. His children fought over the scraps of his estate like hyenas, or so I read.” -Rose Calvert 1996
Probably best they cut that line. If he had children in 1912 they would only be teenagers by 1929
Whatever everyone thinks, I always felt that he did care abt Rose. Yes he was arrogant as he was brought up rich but somehow you can tell he wanted to be a better person.
He shows no sign of intending to be better lol
I mean he shot at her with a gun on the titanic so I would say that any love he had for her is probably gone. Just my perspective tho.
@@benjaminbuchanan7151 he was trying to shoot Jack
@@beneddiected Regardless of Cal’s true intentions I’m sure it seemed from Rose’s perspective that he was trying to kill them both. He was also shooting very wildly with a handgun, and very well could’ve hit either one of them.
That baby was lookin for that NECKLACE
There’s also a script of cal actually having a conversation with rose but no scene
If this wasn’t deleted, then Rose would have known he committed… and not just have read it in the paper
Bro not him sounding like he actually cares-
This was all part of the movie I watched on VHS and DVD. Didn't know it was cut.
Not a deleted scene. It's in the actual movie.
Not the part where he finds Rose, or the part where she talks about his children fighting over his estate after Cal killed himself in 1929.
Nope. Just in the uncut version.
i feel like i watched the movie with all the scenes in... did they delete it lately? or is there a version without cuts?
I have the uncut version of the movie on plex I always thought this was just normal until I watched on Netflix lol
I remember seeing this scene in theaters for the 25th anniversary showing.
Thank God he didn't find her!
most of those deleted scenes are canon except for the fact including them would’ve meant a movie like 10 hours long
The real deleted scene is when biol Paxton yeeted rose's ass off the bow for throwing the necklace back in that chopper trip in tapped him out 😂
Even after how she’s treated him, he still cares! Crazy
Eh...
Abuser spotted:
Why do I remember watching this scene? I'm literally 16 so I shouldn't be the one watching a delete scene
I think she never would have hid from him and her mother and got off the ship with no one and nothing.
That’s a great cut! All the extra stuff just isnt good.
He don’t gaf he wants that neckalace
no this scene was not deleted it was there in the movie
Good editing, the movie didn't need it
Did his character have any children prior to the sinking? The boat sank in April of 1912 and he committed suicide in 1929. That would put any children he sired *immediately* after no older than 16 years of age. Would they even have thought to fight over money? I guess...
There was another scene i didnt see.when rose and cal aboarding the titanic and cal saysyou make it sound like youre going to your execution....i believe it was on the original trailer
I love the line “or so I read”. She has so little interest in him that she casually reads it in the paper.
Tit-for-tat. Concerning she hadn't forgotten his "shooting" rampage back on Titanic. That's not how to impress women. 🤔
Lol how tf else is she supposed to get that information?
@@golfgod6243 she could’ve stalk him has some paid spy etc… but she’s barely sure if she actually read that
Well they can’t read the news on the internet nor social media yet at that time and traveling to wherever he is isn’t gonna be easy for a woman with modest income at that time.
@@beysmentssecuritycamera6013 why tf would she stalk someone she was miserable with? Basically the only other way she would have known is “ reading about it” . Y’all not even making sense at this point
He may have seemed concerned but it doesn't shy from the fact that he beat her and tried to kill her
She had sex with someone else while still taking care of her and her Mother.
Dont be a simp bro
I have always wondered if he didn't aim for Jack?
He never beat her. He slapped her one time after she cuckolded him and rubbed his nose in it by leaving the drawing and a nasty note in their safe. I’m not saying the slap was ok, but it was an emotional reaction to an extraordinary slight, and not the signature of a domestic abuser, who would have broken bones for that. I also believe Cal was aiming for Jack in order to save Rose, because by that time he realized she wouldn’t leave the ship without Jack as long as he lived, and Jack would never be allowed into a boat.
@@hannahbee264 I’m sure he was aiming for him but he could have easily killed her and almost did and he didn’t care
Yup toxic love
He plays a bastard but Billy Zane is one beautiful man.
yes very handsome, too bad he never make it in Hollywood .. he did a good job in this movie
@@elmin82 he was also good in a movie "Sniper"
@@jason.h.zager88 never watch that movie
Gorgeous man. A human Ken doll with a very sexy and masculine voice. ❤😍 He voiced John Rolfe in the Disney sequel Pocahontas: Journey to a New World.
Yes Cal the character we hate and he is gross, the actor is a very handsome guy though
I think I remember watching this deleted scene on my titanic dvd
Omg same I remember watching all the scenes one night and then the making offs
Same
Same
Same
Me, too. i think i saw him commit suicide in that scene
In the original script, he finds Rose. And James Cameron writes that we see that indeed he loves her, but in his own twisted way. She tells him to forget her and to inform her mother that her daughter died on the Titanic (so this also answers me a question I had for years, whether her mother ever heard from her again). He never asks for the necklace. For what I know, this was never filmed. The script is available online for free and it is very interesting for those who love the movie.
Yeah, I feel like that wouldnt work, what they ended up with is better
I found a book on the making of thr titanic at the library with the script and notes. I remember wondering how that would have changed the dynamic if he had known she was alive
@panloum I think I must be the only person who hated the film. I'd been interested in the disaster for quite some time. I tracked down several excellent books which gave me a good overview. The film was, to me, utterly boring. I wondered what James Cameron had studied. People doing Irish dancing, wearing classic dance clothing, full face of make-up, together with perfect hair, was just plain stupid. Those in the bowels of the ship, the lowest class, were going to the "New World" to work. The conditions were disgraceful and definitely not conducive to dancing.
As the sinking ship very slowly went down, I said "just sink it, we all know what happens". I didn't mean to speak aloud. Then we have Rose, in freezing seawater, calling "Jaaaaack, Jaaaaack, endlessly. I could hear lots of people crying. Finally, the film ended. I rose from my seat and made my way out with my friends, amid a jungle of tissues and tears. I just couldn't understand why anybody didn't see the obvious errors. I kept my head down. I've not liked DeCaprio since. He's creepy.
Yup! And I quote: _"Rose is sipping hot tea. Her eyes focus on him as he approaches her. He barely recognizes her. She looks like a refugee, her matted hair hanging in her eyes."_
*ROSE:* Yes, I lived. How awkward for you.
*CAL:* Rose... your mother and I have been looking for you--
_She holds up her hand, stopping him._
*ROSE:* Please don't. Don't talk. Just listen. We will make a deal, since that is something you understand. From this moment you do not exist for me, nor I for you. You shall not see me again. And you will not attempt to find me. In return I will keep my silence. Your actions last night need never come to light, and you will get to keep the honor you have carefully purchased.
_She fixes him with a glare as cold and hard as the ice which changed their lives._
*ROSE:* _Is this in any way unclear?_
It's interesting as an almost 18-year old to see Rose making a sort off 'Art Of The Deal' with Cal here.🤔 That aside, I understand why it was cut. Concerning that it could have taken the story of Jack into a different direction too. You know, making it too much about "Rose" ... and not the victims lost in Titanic.
@@elizagrogan9454 yes, you’re the only one. So special.
That actress with the red hair was probably so upset that it was cut from the film.
Yes omg poor girl
Right..she was a featured extra, no spoken lines and guaranteed screen time. I was considered for such a part but wasn't chosen
My first thought
this was a horrible scene because everyone had been on the boat as it sank but they still separated them by class.. "none of your people would be down here.." that is just sad..
I think there did that so the passengers could find echather better.
It is the same as today.
First day on a Cruseship you train an emergency were there devide the Passengers in Groubs an tell them what to do in an emergency.
I think the chaos with the Lifeboats on the Titanic was one of the reasons wy there do the training today.
LG
Concern was largely over the spread of disease. Steerage passengers had a much higher rate of communicable diseases compared to second and third class passengers.
Cal had a feeling that Rose would be down here with Jack if she survived. I’m glad that he wasn’t able to locate her.
@@kayyipeemy heart was pounding in that scene!!! Omg
There's nothing wrong with it.Mixing two groups of people make them hard to find each other.
The line where it reveals that Cal lost all of his money in 1929 shows that in 1912, marrying Cal was the right thing to do, financially, but in the long-term it wouldn't have accomplished anything.
Or marrying Rose could have turned his fortunes around. Butterfly effect.
@@hmacklemore2226unless him marrying her could’ve somehow prevented the Great Depression, which began in 1929, then nah he would’ve still lost everything lol
@@ismth That joins the 'Jack is a time-traveler' theory list as well.😂
Rose’s father left a mountain of debt when he died. That’s why her mother pushed her engagement with Cal. To save them from poverty.
@@harleyquinn5774yes, that's why they said it was the right thing to do financially in 1912. But he lost everything in the crash so it just would have stopped her from being poor for a few more years
7 year old me always wondered if he was wearing mascara. That's all this man was to me. Childhood was so simple. 🤣
Lol 😂
Glad to hear that am not the only one who thought that about Cal 😂😂
If you look at the most recent/and past pictures... his eyes are always like this.
@@vicksta8875 Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline!!! Hahahah I'm jk I know it's natural but I couldn't resist the set up.
He was actually going bald at this point so that's a pretty convincing wig he's wearing. He's also in his early 40s in this movie and looks ten years younger.
In a version of the TITANIC script another extended scene went as follows:
Cal pans the refugees and sees Rose and then makes a fast beeline towards her.
Rose: I see, you've found me, and I live, how very awkward for you.
Cal: Rose, I have be......
Rose: STOP!! You are really looking for something else
Cal: I'm so glad that you are alright
Rose: I will make a deal with you, if you leave me alone and don't try to find me, I won't reveal what you tried to do on the ship
Cal: B-b-but what do I tell your mother?
Rose: Tell my mother that her daughter died on the Titanic.
I'm glad this didn't make it in the movie. It wouldn't have made sense. Cal could easily deny whatever Rose said. Rose didn't have any evidence.
It makes sense that at that time Cal would know that he could never win back Rose’s affection after what he did and what they had been through. He could easily find someone else to make a fresh start, and so could she.
i mean, his children couldn't have been any older than 16 in 1929 sooo i'm glad they cut that line. wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense
So let me see if I'm getting this right he didn't want rose he wanted the jewelry and when he couldn't have both he killed himself and his kids fought for his stuff like wild hyenas 🤔🤔
@@alexrivas1993no he killed himself because he lost his fortune during the financial crash of 1929
i mean, she didn't say they fought for it that exact year
It's also good that they cut the part of the hyenas, because that would show that Rose was still somehow interested on Cal and his legacy. As they choose to simply put 'i read that' shows how little she cared about his abusive fiance.
He’s not concerned for Rose. He’s concerned for himself. An abusive partner can still have feelings of wanting companionship with the person they abuse
He really didn't abuse her. She cheated on him and left a naked photo of herself in Cal's safe after he bought her and her family out of the poverty they otherwise would be in. Typical mindless virtue signalling
He's concerned for rose from the very beginning,it's just he's doing it in the wrong way.Also why would he buy a 50million dollar necklace for rose anyway?Any man would be angry to see Cal's action wasting money,time and energy for a girl who never show an effort on him.Poor cal.
@larabonczek9437 he tried to kill Jack
@larabonczek9437Women are able to get away with striking men, cheating on them, and then divorcing them while taking much of what they own. Society has most definitely changed...
Actually he did 😒
Cal was handsome ngl.
but jack looks betteh✨✨✨
@@catt-b5r okay? Who asked?
The way he said “Rose!” sounded very concerned.
Yeah I thought that. Makes you wonder if he really cared for Rose
@@deb-1558 fuck no. He wanted her as property. He was abusive and only wanted to win. Fuck Cal.
@@deb-1558 no he just wanted that diamond back that was in her coat, remember he tried to kill her once
@@chantellesenanayake4026 if he just wanted the diamond wouldnt have he been mad at yell “rose” angrily instead of his soft worried “rose”? i genuinely feel like he saw her and cared abt her as a person at least in this scene
You know this didn't really occur right?
A guy can love someone and still be a selfish bastard. He maybe looking for Rose in concern, but it's out of his own selfishness because of his desire to posses her.
You really have no clue how the world works do you?
I agree. I think he did love her in his own twisted way, but he was a product of his time and saw her as belonging to him. It was 1912, so it really isn't surprising.
More like if I can't have you, no one can.
The line about Cals kids fighting over his estate is probably taken from John Jacob Astors kids doing the same thing, he left the majority of his fortune to his eldest son and some to his daughter while his new wife and son only got a fraction of it, JJ Astor Junior fought long and hard for what he felt was rightfully theirs and even fought his brother's wife after his death for it
Perhaps. That's still something we don't know fully the extent of the aftermath that had on all the Astor Kids.
We know some of how it effected JJ junior but not all of it
I didn’t know John Jacob Astor was a real person.
@ClaraTube Yes he is.
@@sweetbitter2 yes, the wealthiest man on the ship. James Cameron made a documentary, released in 2017, Titanic: 20 Years Later, and he talked with JJ Astor’s granddaughter (her grandmother Madeleine was pregnant with JJ Jr., Jackie’s father, when the Titanic went down)
@@sweetbitter2 well it is about a real ship. Probably the only fictional characters in the movie were the main characters. Even Molly Brown was a real person.
I definitely remember this being on my box VHS set where I had to change the tapes out midway through to finish the rest of the movie 😂 I used to consider one the fun titanic part of the movie and the 2nd the sad part of the movie
Same
Same lmao
Sometimes I would only watch video tape one and pretend they lived happily ever after 😭😵💫🫠😂 I agree tape two was the saddest
I still have that box set 😂😂😂😂
@@annastasiat.6287 Same! I think my 2nd tape never left the box a single time.
You know, I think he did truly care for her, but he loved the idea of her more than he loved her. He wanted to possess and control her, not love her as she is. I also think that he was hurting and lost his shit when she chose to be with Jack. He didn't want Rose dead when he chased them with the gun. He wanted Jack dead.
My favorite quote from her was also cut from this at the very end. Just after she gives her name as Rose Dawson, old Rose says “Can you exchange one life for another? A caterpillar turns into a butterfly; if a mindless insect can do it, why couldn’t I? Was it any more unimaginable than the sinking of the Titanic?”
Yes, he is concerned. She's got a high status family, is young and beautiful... She's his property. He didn't want to lose his property.
Not to mention a very expensive diamond lol
He didn’t want to loose that necklace
She's the shiny thing he bought, potentially wearing the shiny thing he bought for her
If she didn't want to be property then she shouldn't have dated him. And i've never heard of someone spending 50 million on a necklace for someone they view as their property
@@dragorn3212 she was like 17 and her mom literally manipulated her and sold her to that guy to save her own ass from poverty,Rose knew no better until she met Jack. He saved her in every way,just like she said.
The original scene we saw in the movie was best. I love the look on Rose's face as she sees him first and hides not wanting him to find her. Very dramatic and heartbreaking with her entire ordeal.
That's actually realistic how he is genuinely concerned at the same time would shoot a gun at her when she pissed him off. That's how toxic relationships are. A real life example, the Tiktoker Jinnkid loved his wife at the same time, shot her dead after she dumped him and was filing for a divorce and finding a new partner. He couldn't accept the fact that the relationship was over and so he killed her. A "if I can't have you, no one can" event. Truly tragic. I think that's how Cal is too. He has genuine affection for Rose at the same time sees her as his property. Be careful when getting into a relationship with a partner like that. Toxic relationships can become deadly.
Yeah, my ex boyfriend was completely unstable, but he was genuinely capable of caring just as much of hating. He was a product of his culture and upbringing (dad would also love him but beat him and his mom ‘just to discipline’ when they did something deemed immoral because that’s how he was brought up too)..
People (me included) are quick to say this isn’t ever love, because indeed it can’t be, but humans are more complex than that, and if taught hurting your loved ones it’s just part of life, and that if you compensate in other ways it makes it all better (because you normalized when it was done to you too).. that’s how you’re gonna be until you understand otherwise
Cal was horrible & unworthy of Rose or anything.
@@renatacantore3684 He's unworthy of any woman at all. No person deserves to be treated as a trophy or a property.
Great analysis
@@renatacantore3684nope. She was a disgrace. She knew she was marrying him solely for his money and instead of being up front she decided to cheat and disrespect him in front of his face. Also took rhe diamond, fucked him off and never thought she should hand it back. Wonder if the man she married after jack was an ATM too. Like mother like daughter
Cal:ROSE
Cal’s mind: UGH NOT ROSE
Yeah, he looks so disgusted 😂
That’s not Rose!
I also think this was cut as it makes Cal slightly sympathetic, and really at this point it’s Rose’s story. It interrupts the emotional continuity for the audience.
Add to the fact he didn’t actually love her, just loved her status.
A true man wouldn’t hit a woman or shoot a gun at her like he did.
@@RYMAN1321 a true woman wouldnt cheat on her fiancée
@@bigol9223
She was a teenager forcefully engaged to a 30 year old b--rd 💀
A true man wouldn’t treat and look at his finance like property instead of a person, try to control her, abuse her or shoot at her.
@@bigol9223
A true man wouldn’t get engaged to a 17 year old against her wishes, treat her like property, abuse her and try to kill her.
@@bigol9223
That “woman” was a 17 year old girl and that “fiancé” was a 30 year old pos that got engaged to a teenager to treat her like property and abuse her.
Abuser advocate 📸🚩🤡
“he sounds concerned” he’s probably pretending to be concerned bc Rose would be vulnerable and she’s his only chance of getting that necklace
He should have get that necklace.Its just waste of money buying things for girl who never show interest in you.
@@Glock18401oh yh a girl who doesn't show interest in you, who her mum made her marry cal cuz of there financial situation, oh yh rose is not interested in a guy that hates poor people, that doesn't show her love instead of buying it, that hits her, throws a table at her, tries to kill jack knowing dam well he could of shot rose and k*lled her, but yh he is an abuser but she should of been interested in him cuz he Brought her a necklace 🙄 u sound pathetic and dumb
@@Glock18401best line
Titanic is one of the movies where the deleted and cut scenes truly make the movie so much better. Had these been included the movie would have been shitty really. Especially if the movie had the alternate ending.
Try again you ass. Batman vs superman
I agree. While the Titanic-obsessed part of me craves more content, most of the deleted scenes were wisely cut. They either slowed the pace down, distracted from the main story, or lacked subtlety (e.g. “on-the-nose” humor, cringey dialogue, obvious symbolism, doubling down on things already established about the characters, etc.).
Agreed; there’s also the timing factor. From the time we see the Titanic hit the iceberg to when it sinks, it follows in real time
No, they meant the movie with the deleted scenes *removed* from it made it so much better, otherwise it would’ve been a shitty movie apparently.
@@stquatro Partly disagree. Some scenes for action were rightly cut, like the fight scene between Lovejoy and Jack. However, other deleted scenes would have made Titanic more beautiful and would have hit you more in the feels, like Rose & Jack seeing a shooting star and singing "Come Josephine in my flying machine" etc.
There is alot deleted scenes, i wish they show a bit of fabricio meeting olga on the boat , they did show him dancing with her when he hold her hand at the party , just a bit for the viewers that he did his thing while jack was doing his, bc it felt like best friends were going together on a trip and then he was nowhere since the irish party and then meet up at the nearly end
Fabricio died, how would he meet Olga? He was crushed by a funnel that broke and fell on the sea surface right where he was swimming.
There is a deleted scene which shows Rose visiting Jack in 3rd class. It was cute, innocent and we also got see a bit of Fabrizio and Helga.
Does anyone know if there’s a way to watch the movie with all the deleted scenes? I remember watching Troy with all the deleted scenes somewhere (wich btw is sooo much better!!!)
@@kora4185 You can, but it won't be in 3D. Just 2D, because, Titanic *never* went in its full 3D conversion back in 2012, when it was re-released as part of the 100th anniversary of Titanic.
@@MsClepsydra they met in the delete scenes , where they show 3rd class and you will see in the movie where jack hugs helga and ask where he is when they are stuck at the gate , that is the lady, and it's helga lol not olga
in all honesty. he probably would have beat her once they made it to New York for running away with Jack on the Titanic. as for her mother. she probably went back to being a seamstress since Rose was presumed dead and had no connection to Cal.
what i also love about this movie is that even though they aren’t main characters. you still get screen time from noticeable people on the Titanic like Cora, Fabrizzio’s love interest and parents and many other noticeable background characters.
He wasn’t worried about her. He wanted to see if she still had his coat with the necklace
Well, he actually loved Rose. In his own twisted way.
Didn’t he try to kill her tho?
@@jessica3218 that's why I said in his own twisted way.
Oh he loves Rose alright…he loves to posses, beat, control her, and treat her like _his_ property. If you equate abuse with love, then it’s you who is the twisted one. There is absolutely nothing loving about abusing someone. The only thing he loved was that diamond necklace, that was his only concern.
@chrisjackson8151 Guess what, abusers function like that. They hold you up on a pedestal, then do something awful to you when you do something that isn't in line with their idea of how you should be.
Loving her in his own selfish way is exactly what we are shown.
Billy Zane was amazing in Titanic, great acting
rose give me back my necklaceeee
But he survived and joined the male modeling world
It does not fit, though...if he died in 1929, it was 17 years after the Titanic sank. By then he couldn't have had grown-up children to fight over the scraps of his estate...
That line was inspired by a real victim who’s children fought over his estate after he died. They probably took it out cause it didn’t fit.
She did say when they fought though. It might have been years later after he died
Even if the children were 17 years old..in this era, they may have been married and considered grown at that age. Besides possibly wealthy clients no matter their age, will always have lawyers interested in representing them in small effort to secure a big portion of their potential winnings.
If they were 17, they would have been the age Rose was!! @@krjdallas
The kids line being taken out makes sense it's a tight window of 17 years for him to find a wife marry, have multiple kids to fight over his estate not impossible but would end up as a ding in the "everything wrong with" video
In the original script he does find Rose but she tells him to forget about her and to inform her mother she died.
It's funny how everyone looks at Cal as a villain, but forgets that Rose was cheater 😂
I know I never understand that and this is coming from a woman mind you when a woman cheats she has every excuse in the world but if a man does the same oh his this his that yes Cal is not innocent by no means but Rose isn’t either
@@ShabreaChandlerOkay but Rose is a 17 year old forced to marry someone nearly double her age. She's basically a child so yeah she makes mistakes. It's not right to cheat,no, but he doesn't treat her right and Jack did and she actually loved Jack and wanted to marry him unlike Cal. She was a teenager who felt pressured by her mother.
isn't there a deleted scene when he actual does find her?
It was in a version of the script but they never recorded it
@@c.w4485 I could've sworn I seen it somewhere!
@@wednesday101 Same!!! I just don’t know where but it sets of an alarm somewhere
Mandela effect? 😆
According to the script:
Rose is sipping hot tea. Her eyes focus on him as he approaches her. He barely recognizes her. She looks like a refugee, her matted hair hanging in her eyes.
ROSE: “Yes, I lived. How awkward for you.”
CAL: “Rose... your mother and I have been looking for you --“
She holds up her hand, stopping him.
ROSE: “Please don't. Don't talk. Just listen. We will make a deal, since that is something you understand. From this moment, you do not exist for me, nor I for you. You shall not see me again. And you will not attempt to find me. In return, I will keep my silence. Your actions last night need never come to light, and you will get to keep the honor you have carefully purchased.”
She fixes him with a glare as cold and hard as the ice which changed their lives.
ROSE: “Is this in any way unclear?”
CAL (after a long beat): “What do I tell your mother?”
ROSE: “Tell her that her daughter died with the Titanic.”
She stands, turning to the rail. Dismissing him. We see Cal stricken with emotion.
CAL: “You're precious to me, Rose.”
ROSE: “Jewels are precious. Goodbye, Mr. Hockley.”
We see that in his way, the only way he knows, he does truly love her. After a moment, he turns and walks away.
OLD ROSE (V.O.): “That was the last time I ever saw him. He married, of course, and inherited his millions. The crash of ‘29 hit his interests hard, and he put a pistol in his mouth that year. His children fought over the scraps of his estate like hyenas, or so I read.”
I do believe he loved her . His ego couldn’t stand that she didn’t love him . She was a complete bombshell of the time and the fact she wasn’t in awe of him he would have found so attractive and it wouldn’t have been uncommon for them to still get married after her affair . I also believe her granddaughter Lizzie is jacks granddaughter she’s blonde big blue eyed and kind . We don’t know her grandfather wasn’t a kind man who fell for rose like everyone else . I’ve always had a funny feeling she had jacks child
People tryna be Cal apologizers are the same ones to blame a domestic violence victim or any victim in an abusive relationship.
It's worrying how many defend and excuse him.
Cal was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr.Hyde. I would want off that Rollercoaster too.
my vhs has the deleted on it not in the extras or anything else it's actually in the movie so the deleted ending I've been watching isn't actually the ending...
The fact that he doesnt even apologize for thinking these women are Rose and instead gives them an arrogant look just shows what of an a**hole Cal is.
Exactly
This makes him a much more sympathetic villain. It's harder to hate someone when you see their vulnerability and pain. The way he says "Rose" sounds scared and tender. He's still a piece of shit, but now he's one that I actually care about lol
There's really no reason to hate Cal to begin with. The older i get the more i sympathize and realize that Cal is the real victim
@@dragorn3212I can step into his shoes and realize he was her husband. He didn't cheat on her, he was a little bit of a jerk, but he gave her everything. Yet she wasn't happy because she wasn't in love with him. He forgave her cheating he slapped her he didn't beat her. He wasn't this villian he felt that another man was ripping his marriage apart.
Yeah,Cal was stupid for wasting so much money buying necklace for that hoe.What he gets in returned?his hoe cheated on him with that gutter rats.
@@sonyvalenciaHe tried to kill her.
@@dragorn3212yeah, i do agree too. Moreover, in my opinion, Cal is just one of the victims.
Cal wasnt a real villian like most people believe. He event risked his live to not enter the reque boats while he got the chance just to get Rose back while he knew she was with Jack.
Wait the guy had kids already?! Ive never seen the movie but thats a new tidbit i never heard from videos about the movie
RIP Bill Paxton. I’m sorry to say I didn’t know until hours ago that he’s no longer with us. Rip
Poor Rose lmao she probably sh*t herself when she heard him calling her name 2 meters behind her back
That’s how I remember it it. With the cut, it always feels incomplete.
Same! And I never owned the DVD. How come I have seen it with this cut and then later on on a rewatch I realized it was missing?
That line did not get cut out I watched titanic last night
I just saw Titanic in Peru for its anniversary. Anyway, it had all of these scenes. I didn't pay much mind to it. But it explains why my bf didn't remember these scenes.
Man, I wish they’d kept that bit with Old Rose there. I felt like it ran a little smoother than what we got! It also would’ve showed just how much of a mess Cal’s family and his legacy was. 😂
Given that the Titanic sank in 1912, and Cal had no children yet, his children probably only would have been 16 and younger when the market crashed. Maybe that's why they edited out the line about them fighting over his estate.
@@sunnyc4853 Sure. But I was thinking they were *at max* 16, likely being several years younger. Hard to picture a 10 year old, for instance, fighting over their father's estate. (Though I suppose it could also be a rich culture thing.)
Litigation over inheritance can take years though.
She did not mention that the kids fought immediately after his death... In 1929 he died and later on his children fought.. she is summarising bro
@@beans_thecat
Right and everyone didn't immediately go broke in 1929, that also could have taken years.
They had to cut the stuff about his kids because that would have made no sense even if he started having kids right after the Titanic sank the oldest one would be nearly eighteen in the crash of 29 how would they fight over his estate
The deleted line is interesting because if Cal married in 1912-13 at the EARLIEST and had his first child one year later, his kids would’ve barely been adults when they started fighting over the estate (assuming Cal dies before or around FDR is elected in 1932-33). It shines a light on to what kind of upbringing the kids might have had to be like that at such a young age. It’s also possible that like JJ Astor he married multiple times and it was the MOMS of the kids taking the lead at first.
(Yes I know the timeline sounds unrealistic)
He wasn’t looking for Rose. He was looking for that necklace
Why was he looking for that necklace ?
@@jessica3218 💰
I wish they would've kept it. That answered so many questions. I always wondered how Cal felt believing he was responsible for her death.
Success was too good for Billy Zane, he said in an interview that it’s hard for him to get roles because all anybody wants to talk about is Titanic.
Why do i feel like he had regret for how he treated her?
I don’t know because he definitely didn’t. He’s a monster. Rose was his property. He was probably more hoping to find the necklace in her pocket and sell it. He took a pistol and shot at her repeatedly the last time he saw her so as soon as life resumed after the sinking, he would’ve gone back to being an abusive, controlling nightmare
I think he didn't regret anything. He was looking for the necklace and the beautiful wife-to-be that he claimed as his property. I don't think it was love at all, just status
It's probably why they cut it, the acting it's a little bit redemptive for the character.
@@lindsay9838 my gawd do you people even watch the movie or just sheepishly repeat the same virtue signaling garage? He wasn't a 'monster,' Rose wasn't his property she willingly dated Cal. He's not a slave owner. The fact that he lifted her family out of poverty and he's somehow the monster in womens mind shows why relationships are completely failing in this country, because nothing a guy does can possibly satisfy women and their victim complex
It would’ve been more interesting to show him genuinely caring that Rose survived. Villains are much more interesting when they have a shred of goodness in them.
That wasn’t a deleted scene. Idk if y’all turned it off after rose got on the boat but they showed them getting saved, and Cal looking for rose. At least it showed in the version i watched.
I've only ever seen the original VCR tapes. I didn't know they cut a lot of stuff.
Everyone in the comments shitting on a guy that just wanted the best for an uneducated woman looking for “real happiness” in a homeless guy who used to slept with French prostitutes. She lied to him a dozen of times, she posed nude for the homeless guy in his own room with the expensive gift he gave it to her as he said “there’s nothing I wouldn’t do to make you happy”, then she f the homeless in a car. After all that shit he slapped her and he’s the bad guy. Yeah sure, if you want to blame someone blame her mother and blame her for being dishonest in the first place.
I kinds think he loved Rose in his warped way
They should have kept the concerned Rose scene. It makes Cal look a bit more human with emotions rather than the greedy monster that he was portrayed.
But I remember watching this in the theatres the first time.
Me too! I’m shocked people think they’re deleted scenes. I wonder if different countries had slightly different cuts….
@@TheBreechie I think so yea. Different cuts. Or it might be Mandela Syndrome.
Guy at the stairs is the foreman from the engine room who made sure most of his crew got thru the watertight doors true story can’t remember his name
He was trying to seek some little bit of redemption for behaving so badly towards Rose.
Billy Zane can play one of the most vile men on the planet because hes got tgat look and that voice, but is actually a real gentleman and is so sweet 😊😊😊❤
y’all just forgetting everything else he did to her just because he seemed concerned for a few seconds😭y’all pleasseee he literally mentally and physically abused her
Funny I remember when cal find rose and rose push him to the sea 😅