If you're interested in PlayStation's official PS5 earbuds, check out my honest review: ruclips.net/video/ew4uf-G2ASs/видео.html Since the release of this guide, Creative have released both a BT-W5 & BT-W4. Both work in the same way as the BT-W3 shown in this tutorial, but support more audio codecs and better audio quality. I recommend the BT-W5, but the others work just fine and could save you some money: 🛒 Creative BT-W5 Audio Adapter: ▶ US - amzn.to/3Qq5STQ ▶ UK - amzn.to/3s27AkL ▶ Global - amzn.to/3Qq5STQ 🛒 Creative BT-W4 Audio Adapter: ▶ US - amazon.linkopener.co/kePi ▶ UK - amazon.linkopener.co/Oeep ▶ Global - amazon.linkopener.co/kePi 🛒 Creative BT-W3 Audio Adapter: ▶ US - amazon.linkopener.co/GMBk ▶ UK - amazon.linkopener.co/BIgy ▶ Global - amazon.linkopener.co/GMBk 🛒 Creative SoundBlaster Headset for ALL APTX Codec Support: ▶ US - amazon.linkopener.co/OQpv ▶ UK - amazon.linkopener.co/yDzL ▶ Global - amazon.linkopener.co/OQpv This video is also sponsored by Ugreen! You can check out their ANC HiTune X6 Buds here: amazon.linkopener.co/IKPQ
@Endomou Agreed! When they reached out to me it was exciting to see it was from Ugreen. My full setup and channel is kept together using their ethernet cables aha. You should definitely try their buds out if you don't already have them, they are on sale for even less than normal rn too, I was very pleasantly surprised by how good they are for the price.
@@Octorious Thanks, will try this. Had this AliExpress bluetooth connector that doesn't work at all with it. It connects but then it doesn't actually work. I thought the problem lied with the headset but suppose it's the Bluetooth controller/driver/codec on it. Thanks again :)
@@ScottPilgrimspayaccount yeah I can confirm this one will work 👍😊 You can get it with the links in the comment or description if you want to support the channel at the same time :)
They should release a system software update for the Bluetooth so we can use any Bluetooth headphones or Bluetooth speaker they did that with the Nintendo switch :)
Yeah, it's not that hard to figure out why they don't issue an update. They want you to buy their headset or headsets that are licensed by Sony for playstation. I don't like it either but it's easy to understand
They should release a system software update for the Bluetooth so you can use any Bluetooth headphones or speakers Nintendo did that with the switch :)
Hey! Thanks for the great vid. Quick Q. My earbuds randomly disconnect from the USB dongle. Any idea what's causing it? They've been factory reset to avoid trying to hook up on other devices
well, it IS impossible unless you use an EXTERNAL device like that adapter. It grosses me out not being able to connect your airpods to a 800 dollar console. Even the SWITCH can. smh
This is nothing to do with you but £29 for a small USB plastic thing just feels like robbery to me. Could get a semi decent headset for that much or simple plug in in-ear earphones.
Thank you for your help 👍🏻 perfect video. I have one problem I have connected the AirPods Pro, but the sound is not really loud in the PS5 I have all my settings on max I think, do you have an idea for me?
I attempted to connect my ghostek so drop 2.0 wireless head phones, it didn't connect. It did connect to my Blue tooth BW speaker and wireless ear bud. Yet wouldn't connect to my so drop 2.0 headphones.
Okay, first of all thank you for this video!! My current headset gets pretty uncomfy after a some time so I thought of buying a new one. I already know that the one I have in mind isn't compatible with the PS5 unless I decide to connect it with a cable but man, I want a wireless headset... So, now my question: Do I have to use the mic adapter thing thats sent with the usb adapter in order to talk to my friends? Or will the mic on my headset work if I connect it via this method? Thanks in advance for the reply! :D
I’m using the Bose 700’s with my ps5. Sounds great! (using the low lat Skull & Co usb c wireless adapter) But no, it won’t use the mic on the headset, but rather default to the Controller Mic.
Hey, I would like to know if skullcandy or Samsung Galaxy earbuds would be able to connect with any Bluetooth dongle or if there is a particular type that would need to use ?
Is there a way to connect four head sets to all hear one thing on a PS5 at the same time? I live in a apartment and can't play my movies loud how I'd like to. My goal was to to have me and my family all watch a movie as loud as we so choose in our headphones. However, I'm not sure if it's even possible to have us all listen to the same thing on one PS5. Any help?
Technically yes, but I'd recommend using the dongle when using it with the PS5 as that will support some features from the headset that standard bluetooth won't necessarily allow. You're better off contacting where you bought the headset from or Sony themselves, and asking if you can purchase a replacement dongle with instructions for pairing it to the new headset. It might end up being a case of you having to send the headset off to them and they send it you back with a working dongle.
The issue with regular bluetooth dongles is you have no way to initiate the connection via the PS5 OS. The sort of dongle used in the video just finds the audio device and connects automatiaclly with no UI needed.
If they can bluetooth to a phone and the phone classes them as an audio device and not another sort of Bluetooth device, then I don't see any reason as to why they wouldn't be able to connect to the PS5.
The BT-W3 doens't connect to everything. It connected to my Sony wf-c500 earbuds no problem, but won't connect to my Cowin se7 headphones even though they use the SBC codec. Bit of a disappointment.
So my cat pulled out the bluetooth transmitter for my headset. Would this work as a replacement. Bc the headset has bluetooth setting to connect to phones but doesn't work directly through the ps5s bluetooth setting.
You can with the Skull & Co usb c wireless adapter. I use with my Bose headphones and Apple AirPods. You can pair both and listen to both at the same time.
I tried it with my PS5. Wanted to connect play station with JBL speakers through Bluetooth. Tried using a different (cheaper) USB Bluetooth connector but that did not work. Had to use this one. Idk why but this Bluetooth connector worked. No need to change anything in accessories settings. Just both devices in pairing mode and it's connected automatically. The experience may help someone
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm sorry to hear your other adapter didn't work :( I always make sure to thoroughly test any product before recommending them to my viewers, so I'm glad to here the ones I recommended did work for you! :D
Hey @Octorious , i already connect my bt-w3 to my ps5, the problem is, the blue light on the usb receiver is still blinking..i connect to my laptop just to see if it’s working or not, and it actually works. So right now i don’t know how to make the receiver connected to ps5 and my audio bluetooth device..can you help me?
I went and bought a dongle today, but mine turned out to have no pairing button. So I found out I cannot connect earbuds. I plugged it into the laptop and paired them there using windows. Then plugged it back into PS4. But it doesn't show up in the Devices and I cannot switch sound to it. I figure out it's the wrong dongle, but how the heck am I supposed to know which dongle I need?
I literally did all this I got it connected and I also got transmitter working even though I hear a echo of my voice I still can’t seem to chat in game even the micro phone is working can you please help
Im trying this but everytime I go back to the mic settings and change it to headset copnnected it changes the outut to the same thing so I can either have a mic working or headphones but not both. Any idea what I can do?
Yes it should do! Anything that supports bluetooth will work. Make sure you have activated 'pairing mode' on the Raycon buds and that they aren't just bluetoothing to your phone or something when you turn them on.
I bought this to pair to my turtle beach stealth 700’s and it connected the first time around, the second time I booted up my PS5 it worked again but later on that day my headset would just not connect to it regardless how many times I tried it, it just blinks in blue as if it’s in pairing but never connects to the headset
Recently just got a avantree dongle for my ps5 and it sounds terrible... it sounds muffled and sound like lim underwater. I tried it on my pc and it sound crystal clear so i know it cant be the dongle or my wireless headser fault. I turned off 3d audio and it does nothing.
When the earbuds are connected, theres audio, but no mic, when the adapter mic is plugged into the ps5 controller, the audio on the earbuds goes away. do you know why this is?
Thank you for the video. I've had some real trouble connecting Bluetooth earphones on PS5 and PS3... What quality is the sound through the USB dongle thing please, is there a delay ? I've used a cheapie USB Bluetooth dongle from China and the sound has a 2 second delay 😒 waste of time, but it did connect!
No worries! 😊 If your device supports the aptx codecs, then you'll have literally no delay and the audio is great. If it's using any other codec when linked, then there will be the standard Bluetooth audio delay of about 1 secs, though sound quality is still great
Connect Bluetooth speaker to ps5 controller so sound comes from speaker instead of the controller?? Not earbuds. Speakers. Controller voices coming from speaker and ps5 sound coming from tv. Anyone else wondering if this is possible??
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If you're interested in PlayStation's official PS5 earbuds, check out my honest review: ruclips.net/video/ew4uf-G2ASs/видео.html
Since the release of this guide, Creative have released both a BT-W5 & BT-W4. Both work in the same way as the BT-W3 shown in this tutorial, but support more audio codecs and better audio quality. I recommend the BT-W5, but the others work just fine and could save you some money:
🛒 Creative BT-W5 Audio Adapter:
▶ US - amzn.to/3Qq5STQ
▶ UK - amzn.to/3s27AkL
▶ Global - amzn.to/3Qq5STQ
🛒 Creative BT-W4 Audio Adapter:
▶ US - amazon.linkopener.co/kePi
▶ UK - amazon.linkopener.co/Oeep
▶ Global - amazon.linkopener.co/kePi
🛒 Creative BT-W3 Audio Adapter:
▶ US - amazon.linkopener.co/GMBk
▶ UK - amazon.linkopener.co/BIgy
▶ Global - amazon.linkopener.co/GMBk
🛒 Creative SoundBlaster Headset for ALL APTX Codec Support:
▶ US - amazon.linkopener.co/OQpv
▶ UK - amazon.linkopener.co/yDzL
▶ Global - amazon.linkopener.co/OQpv
This video is also sponsored by Ugreen! You can check out their ANC HiTune X6 Buds here: amazon.linkopener.co/IKPQ
Wow I've always loved ugreen products I'm glad they're finally upping the marketing
@Endomou Agreed! When they reached out to me it was exciting to see it was from Ugreen. My full setup and channel is kept together using their ethernet cables aha. You should definitely try their buds out if you don't already have them, they are on sale for even less than normal rn too, I was very pleasantly surprised by how good they are for the price.
@Scott Pilgrim yes. WH3 supports all the APTX codecs too so it works REALLY well
@@Octorious Thanks, will try this. Had this AliExpress bluetooth connector that doesn't work at all with it. It connects but then it doesn't actually work. I thought the problem lied with the headset but suppose it's the Bluetooth controller/driver/codec on it. Thanks again :)
@@ScottPilgrimspayaccount yeah I can confirm this one will work 👍😊 You can get it with the links in the comment or description if you want to support the channel at the same time :)
I think it's a little upsetting I have an 600$ console and 200 earbuds and I still have to buy something to get them to work together. Total scam
They should release a system software update for the Bluetooth so we can use any Bluetooth headphones or Bluetooth speaker they did that with the Nintendo switch :)
Totally agree 👍
I really don't get how this "next gen" system still has so many hoops you have to jump through to just connect anything you want to listen with.
The only headset I've found which works without any issues on the PS3, 4, and 5, is the "PlayStation Wireless headset 2.0"
Yeah, it's not that hard to figure out why they don't issue an update. They want you to buy their headset or headsets that are licensed by Sony for playstation. I don't like it either but it's easy to understand
So that we won't buy their accessories? 😁
I honestly cannot believe that the PS5 doesn't have bluetooth built in.
That's just ridiculous.
Yaaa
I was thinking the same thing
Bluetooth is built in....just not for all devices😹😹😹
Bluetooth is built in. Just that it supports usb bluetooth devices
They should release a system software update for the Bluetooth so you can use any Bluetooth headphones or speakers Nintendo did that with the switch :)
How’s the audio quality? Does it support 3D audio, or anything similar to that?
Wow i haven’t watched ur vids in a while you’re channel has grown so much. I think I have been watching u since u had below 10k subs
Thanks so much!! Well, if you want to do any catching up, my channel upload page is screaming for you
@@Octorious haha I might have to 😂
Does the microphone work? Didn't really hear it in the video
No the microphone will not work
@@clalam5241 thank you. Been a while but finally an answer
Not worth it then for me.
I guess it uses the controller mic
@@ivancova5627 correct
Desk mic ftw
Will this work with PS5 to WH-1000XM5?
Hey! Thanks for the great vid. Quick Q. My earbuds randomly disconnect from the USB dongle. Any idea what's causing it? They've been factory reset to avoid trying to hook up on other devices
I just connected my airpods to my tv and it worked lol
This doesn't work with the 'TP-Link Nano USB Bluetooth 5.0 Adapter' because there's no button you can press to start pairing...
Bro. If it says unsupported bluetooth device, just connect ur headphones to the tv. It even works in ps4.
True, but then the mic on your headphones wouldn't work for gaming
And you will get lagged Audio from your TV. Best you get a low latency wireless adapter.
Not everyone has a bluetooth tv
What is working on 3d audio profile without using 3d USB? 2:24
Thank you for this video. I was just asking someone if I could connect my Galaxy buds to the PS5.
Did you? Hows the sound/mic
Ça a t-il fonctionné ?
well, it IS impossible unless you use an EXTERNAL device like that adapter. It grosses me out not being able to connect your airpods to a 800 dollar console. Even the SWITCH can. smh
$800? Think you got scammed bro
@@sandwichlegend2348 Canadian dollars you Einstein.
my condolences. Canada is falling
Is there any way to make it so that just voice chat audio is through bluetooth, and the game/system audio remains through the tv?
Would this one work for wf-1000xm4 ??
Yes
Works perfectly just follow the steps and play with that settings on out put device
Can you connect the rezor nari ultimate (xbox) edition to ps5?
Ingenious! Many, many thanks man!! You are awesome :D
Thank you so much for this video. I actually bought it.
This is nothing to do with you but £29 for a small USB plastic thing just feels like robbery to me. Could get a semi decent headset for that much or simple plug in in-ear earphones.
That's honestly just capitalism man
@@nochill_penguin5052 it's honestly just greed. Probably costs less than £1 to make these it's disgusting.
Thank you for your help 👍🏻 perfect video.
I have one problem I have connected the AirPods Pro, but the sound is not really loud in the PS5 I have all my settings on max I think, do you have an idea for me?
Most likely the codec on the dongle
Set your sound settings on ps5 to dolby atmos
What Bluetooth version will best for ps5?
I attempted to connect my ghostek so drop 2.0 wireless head phones, it didn't connect. It did connect to my Blue tooth BW speaker and wireless ear bud. Yet wouldn't connect to my so drop 2.0 headphones.
Okay, first of all thank you for this video!! My current headset gets pretty uncomfy after a some time so I thought of buying a new one. I already know that the one I have in mind isn't compatible with the PS5 unless I decide to connect it with a cable but man, I want a wireless headset...
So, now my question: Do I have to use the mic adapter thing thats sent with the usb adapter in order to talk to my friends? Or will the mic on my headset work if I connect it via this method?
Thanks in advance for the reply! :D
I’m using the Bose 700’s with my ps5. Sounds great! (using the low lat Skull & Co usb c wireless adapter) But no, it won’t use the mic on the headset, but rather default to the Controller Mic.
I think you have to use the adapter or the mic won't work
Will this dongle connect to the ps5 pulse not needing the original dongle
Thanks. It's working with my kitsound ear set on PS5. ALL THE BEST
Great vid, Paired the W3 with my jaybird headset, works great on PS5
how is the latency?
Question. Does the sony linkbuds s work well with the adapter too?
Hey, I would like to know if skullcandy or Samsung Galaxy earbuds would be able to connect with any Bluetooth dongle or if there is a particular type that would need to use ?
I use the Galaxy buds myself and they connect perfectly :)
Is there a way to connect four head sets to all hear one thing on a PS5 at the same time?
I live in a apartment and can't play my movies loud how I'd like to. My goal was to to have me and my family all watch a movie as loud as we so choose in our headphones. However, I'm not sure if it's even possible to have us all listen to the same thing on one PS5. Any help?
I have wireless sets that don't have a USB port only the charging cable.Any idea how I can connect those?
With the method in the video :) As long as they support bluetooth, it'll work. You don't have to plug anything into the headset/buds.
Is it bluetooth dongle or bluetooth audio transmitter?
Would the microphone on my galaxy buds live work withthis connection to my ps5?
does it reduce latency compared to pairing buds to the tv directly??
my thoughts exactly
Any idea if you can do this with Alexa Ear Buds? Specifically the newer ones? (2023 release)
we use which mic with these ? the airpods one or the controller one
Would this work on the Sony Inzone H9 Over The Ear Wireless Headset - White. Noise Canceling? I lost my dongle
Technically yes, but I'd recommend using the dongle when using it with the PS5 as that will support some features from the headset that standard bluetooth won't necessarily allow. You're better off contacting where you bought the headset from or Sony themselves, and asking if you can purchase a replacement dongle with instructions for pairing it to the new headset. It might end up being a case of you having to send the headset off to them and they send it you back with a working dongle.
Does such a device have to be a bluetooth audio "transmitter," or are there some regular Bluetooth dongles that might work?
The issue with regular bluetooth dongles is you have no way to initiate the connection via the PS5 OS. The sort of dongle used in the video just finds the audio device and connects automatiaclly with no UI needed.
And how do you control the volume?
Same question!
My hearing aids are BT & they connect to my phone. Can they connect to a PS5?
If they can bluetooth to a phone and the phone classes them as an audio device and not another sort of Bluetooth device, then I don't see any reason as to why they wouldn't be able to connect to the PS5.
Does 3D audio work for buds?
The BT-W3 doens't connect to everything. It connected to my Sony wf-c500 earbuds no problem, but won't connect to my Cowin se7 headphones even though they use the SBC codec. Bit of a disappointment.
Hi. Does it still work with Sony wf-c500? Are you satisfied with the quality? Thanks.
Hi tx. But why do you still need this jack mic on the cobtroller ? The bluetooth key should work the same as a big helmet wireless earphones?
How up !! AirPods aren’t supported is what I’ve been getting. Did something get updated and ruined this product or what ??
Every Bluetooth adapter I’ve tried for my airPods to ps5 produces very quite sound. Hasn’t been good
Oh that's a shame :( Have you tried the ones from Creative mentioned in this video? I've genuinely had no issues with them on any devices.
@@Octorious I have not. Instead I’ve been connecting via Bluetooth through my LG CX. Works much better than any pairing device I’ve purchased.
@@iDriveAhondaCivic does the Cx have aptx ll? Or adaptive? Or neither
Hello! Does it connect to Bose qc2 earbuds mate?
Worked with Soundmates earbuds; just needed to remember to turn off Bluetooth from my Android phone first lol Thanks so much for this video!
Hi
Ive the black shark T6 bluetooth earphones will they work with the usb device you shown,??
So my cat pulled out the bluetooth transmitter for my headset. Would this work as a replacement. Bc the headset has bluetooth setting to connect to phones but doesn't work directly through the ps5s bluetooth setting.
Does it work with a generic Bluetooth adapter, like one from TP-Link?
Nice video! Can you connect two wireless headsets to one Bluetooth adapter? Thanks!
You can with the Skull & Co usb c wireless adapter. I use with my Bose headphones and Apple AirPods. You can pair both and listen to both at the same time.
Are you sure they work on ps5 ? i tried to link some ear buds using a usb Bluetooth dongle . It said Bluetooth audio not supported on ps5
Love your videos! And thank you this has confused me!
Thanks so much! :D Sorry it's confused you aha, basically though, it's as simple as get the adapter, push the button and done.
@@Octorious I did not mean to say confused lol, idk how that got in there! I’m so embarrassed lol I meant to say this has helped me so much! Sorry!
@@Lefty9678 aha that's fine, that's what the edit button exists for :) Glad it helped you though 😄
@@Octorious lol thanks again!
it should work for speakers then too i´d assume?
Yes :)
Will this work to connect a sleep headband bluetooth to my ps5?
I tried it with my PS5. Wanted to connect play station with JBL speakers through Bluetooth. Tried using a different (cheaper) USB Bluetooth connector but that did not work. Had to use this one. Idk why but this Bluetooth connector worked. No need to change anything in accessories settings. Just both devices in pairing mode and it's connected automatically. The experience may help someone
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm sorry to hear your other adapter didn't work :( I always make sure to thoroughly test any product before recommending them to my viewers, so I'm glad to here the ones I recommended did work for you! :D
Can you talk to teammates with the headphones?
Is the PS5 supposed to to include these adapters, because mine didn't. Got it from Best Buy.
No it isn't. If you are interested in getting one, there are links in the pinned comment and description :)
would it work with a razer bluetooth headset?
Hey @Octorious , i already connect my bt-w3 to my ps5, the problem is, the blue light on the usb receiver is still blinking..i connect to my laptop just to see if it’s working or not, and it actually works. So right now i don’t know how to make the receiver connected to ps5 and my audio bluetooth device..can you help me?
I went and bought a dongle today, but mine turned out to have no pairing button. So I found out I cannot connect earbuds. I plugged it into the laptop and paired them there using windows. Then plugged it back into PS4. But it doesn't show up in the Devices and I cannot switch sound to it. I figure out it's the wrong dongle, but how the heck am I supposed to know which dongle I need?
Does the mic work aswell?
What’s the difference between bt-w3
bt-w4 and bt-w5
Works great with my fiio utws5 w/ iems and aptx adaptive. So much better than the usual mehhhh Sony xm3/4s or any other tws.
Can I be on party chat with this? Mic works too?
So im curious im interested in this but unfortunately I still use my PS4 controller on my PS5 will this still work even though??
Does the mute on remote still work with the this?
Can u use a mic
I literally did all this I got it connected and I also got transmitter working even though I hear a echo of my voice I still can’t seem to chat in game even the micro phone is working can you please help
Check ur settings
Im trying this but everytime I go back to the mic settings and change it to headset copnnected it changes the outut to the same thing so I can either have a mic working or headphones but not both. Any idea what I can do?
Does this work with audio and microphone?
Only audio but no mic 😭
Does this work with Raycon earbuds? I can’t get mine to connect.
Yes it should do! Anything that supports bluetooth will work. Make sure you have activated 'pairing mode' on the Raycon buds and that they aren't just bluetoothing to your phone or something when you turn them on.
I bought this to pair to my turtle beach stealth 700’s and it connected the first time around, the second time I booted up my PS5 it worked again but later on that day my headset would just not connect to it regardless how many times I tried it, it just blinks in blue as if it’s in pairing but never connects to the headset
Does this work with a sound bar?
It will work with bluetooth speakers, yes.
Do you have ti buy seperate earbuds
No not at all, just the dongle.
@@Octorious ok
Recently just got a avantree dongle for my ps5 and it sounds terrible... it sounds muffled and sound like lim underwater.
I tried it on my pc and it sound crystal clear so i know it cant be the dongle or my wireless headser fault. I turned off 3d audio and it does nothing.
Will this work for bluetooth speakers.
Sorry for the super late response, but yes!
When the earbuds are connected, theres audio, but no mic, when the adapter mic is plugged into the ps5 controller, the audio on the earbuds goes away. do you know why this is?
nevermind, I got it! FINALLYYYYYY lol
how? i cant seem to figure it out@@Portrait_Detroit
Would anyone know if this product supports the A50 pro headphones?
Simple easy thank you
How do I increase the volume. All settings on ps5 are set to max but audio is low in headphones.
I have the same issue! did you find a way to fix it?
Will this work with a Bluetooth speaker as well?
Yes
Thank you for the video. I've had some real trouble connecting Bluetooth earphones on PS5 and PS3...
What quality is the sound through the USB dongle thing please, is there a delay ?
I've used a cheapie USB Bluetooth dongle from China and the sound has a 2 second delay 😒 waste of time, but it did connect!
No worries! 😊 If your device supports the aptx codecs, then you'll have literally no delay and the audio is great. If it's using any other codec when linked, then there will be the standard Bluetooth audio delay of about 1 secs, though sound quality is still great
@@Octorious ok thank you
Don’t you mean the bt-w3 and bt-w4? Those are the only adapter with voice chat support
How's the sound quality?
can you use them in a party chat ?
Pro tip: If you have an Jabra headset from office: u can use the dongle to connect it wirelessly!
does beats flex work
How’s the sound quality with using this adapter?!
Meh
Hows the sound?
Can you connect to bluetooth speakers as well?
Yes
Where can I buy the plug
What adaptor????
does it work with jbl flip 5?
Connect Bluetooth speaker to ps5 controller so sound comes from speaker instead of the controller?? Not earbuds. Speakers. Controller voices coming from speaker and ps5 sound coming from tv. Anyone else wondering if this is possible??
Can I do the same for xbox?
I'm getting micro stuttering, anyone have a fix?
I have something like that but when using AirPods the sound is way too low even with it on full
Connect Bluetooth speaker to ps5 controller so sound comes from speaker instead of the controller??