'That scares a lot of people': Angela Rayner vs landlords | LBC
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2023
- Filling in as a guest host on LBC, Deputy Labour Party Leader Angela Rayner speaks to landlords about the recent delay to the no-fault eviction ban and whether 'Section 21' should be abolished. Rayner also questions what it will take to fix Britain's current housing crisis?
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My landlord did the same as this man .and gave me a chance as a drug addict. I'm renting the same place 11 years. He wouldn't take a bond and and let me move in straight away. Allowing me to get clean . My landlord helped me save my life
Well done!🙏
what a fabulous turn around for your life and an awesome hi five to your landlord for believing in you
I mean its always been dss rent lol x
One of my landlords chucked me out for literally no reason. Lucky for me I have family who let me stay with them until I found a new place. I bet my story is more common than yours and I bet that my story gets far worse since not everyone has family they can run to when landlords decide to stop being nice.
@@brainbane8550 yeah true, obviously everyone's story is different, but you're right, I do feel bad for those who can't find anything at all.
10 years back, landlord gave me permission to decorate, went ahead, month later, received a section 21 order because he needed house to move a family member in. Having to find a house and pack in less than 2 months was a messed up situation.
Imo, the moment you accept a tenent, you forefeit your right to quickly get your property back, unless the tenent breaches the terms of the contract.
We should never have sold the council houses.
YES WE SHOULD HAVE SOLD THEM BUT BUILD NEW STOCK !
Well not after 1997 anyway
Absolutely, we should have remained a third world country
@@watchalot919we have never been a third world country
If Labour get in we will be, and I am not a Tory@@allanfarran364
I love how landlords all think they’re doing their tenants a favour.
they are.
@@keirmitchell5560 They are landlords for one reason - to make money. They are not doing anyone any favours. Get real...
@@keirmitchell5560 Landlords are in it for profit, while the tenant pays the equivilent of a mortgage but gains nothing.
@@keirmitchell5560Your tennants are doing you the favour..
Sell up and let someone like me, or Ben Habib buy your house, to rent out and live on your children's housing benefit.
Vote Reform 🇬🇧
Yep, some of them act as if they're doing it for free.
2:28 oh no landlords will walk away from the market, no what an awful siutation houses will become more affordable, what a terrible future that will be... No please glorious landlord don't put your houses on the market for us little people to buy
I don't know how they don't realise someone like me will happily buy their property and rent it back to their tennants and the more property I can buy, the less profit I need to make on each one.
How ignorant to think they will become more affordable! That primitive thinking is the same reason why you’re a renter and I’m a landlord! 😎 Incidentally, I’m just about to put my rent up 😅. Should get another holiday out if it.
@@Wherethereisnodarkness it's basic supply and demand, if less landlords are buying houses that is less demand for the same supply which means prices will fall.
Where I live you can buy a house for 40k. No one wants to.
@@Wherethereisnodarkness yeah, do you understand less demand doesn't mean no demand.
"landlords don't have to rent"
Why you buy all that property then?
Walk away son.
Housing Benefit = Landlord Benefit
The real reason they don't want an end to Section 21 is that the banks who lend to the Landlords won't like it.
When landlords leave the market, the house doesn't disappear, it becomes available to buyers.
Where I live, it's impossible to buy low cost homes because the estate agents offer them to their landlord mates before they're ever advertised so first time buyers can't buy.
It’ll be bought by a commercial tenancy company while in foreclosure. Makes the local council more in tax. It won’t go to another private buyer.
because first time buyers are typically cash poor and reply on a large mortgage, and with interest rates where they are that's expansive.. so if an estate agent can find a mostly cash buyer, or a buyer with collateral its easier to make the deal.
@@elcristoph7380 Hence why the system is broken. It's skewed towards those who have liquidity.
@@blazzz13 basically you're upset that people who can afford things can afford them?
interesting take.
"When landlords leave the market, the house doesn't disappear, it becomes available to buyers." well the bank takes control over it and will try to sell it..
you still need the $$$ to buy it at the current market rate.. and until its bought you cannot use it
Section 21 was used with no reasoning multiple times while I was in London so the rent could be increased obscenely in properties I shared.
Free market, stop crying. It’s funny how people take the benefits without complaint but whinge to the government when it’s not in their favour.
I agree that rent should be monitored, as should the state of a property, but people who don't pay their rent or look after the property should be evicted quickly and cheaply
@@watchalot919 Even banks give grace periods. Housing is a very delicate subject because on the other end of your profit drive are other human beings, children etc. who can end up on the streets and get sick, die, become suicidal etc. Don't you see how quick and cheap eviction means summary and careless and how inhumane that is? You need to get out of this "business" before it eats away your soul. Landlordism is like drug dealing only less profitable. Get out. Nobody will miss you, don't worry.
@@watchalot919And that's the only weaksauce argument anyone has for keeping it - it's an abusable shortcut for landlords to use to skip any kind of due process they otherwise would legally owe to their tenants. If your boss fired you without a valid reason or process, you'd have Unfair Dismissal to fall back on - why not the same for the place you live?
@@TBakerXDwhat protection do you suggest for landlords instead of section 21? What is a fair reason for a landlord wanting their property back? Offer me your better idea?
Last caller, I call his bluff, they won't because being a private landlord in the last 10 years has been easy money and they have been raking it in. They will not get the same return on any other investment.
And if they do that will lower the price of housing anyway which is a win win.
@@Alex-cw3rzbut of course the recent 1st time buyers will be sitting on negative equities
Racking in how? I pay stamp duty, I can no longer claim interest as an expense, landlords been paying 5/6% interest long before the hikes, it's not as easy as it looks
No it’s not, if you have a mortgage and rent it out, you have to pay tax on the full rent, you can’t deduct the mortgage first,
So say you have a £800 mortgage and you get £1,000 rent a month, you get in £200 if you ignore other costs, but you have to pay £250 in tax,
Take it you don't actually rent out properties yourself, speaking from that zero experience you have of the subject.
'A lot of landlords will flee the market'
There's just one problem with that. SELL THE HOUSES TO WHO, BEN? OTHER LANDLORDS?
Councils. Privates shouldn’t be involved in this type of housing.
@@patrikfloding7985 There have always been private renting, the road I was brought up in [late 50s] had 14 houses, 7 were rented and it was a nice area , up to around the 1970s 70% [approx] of people rented houses and 30% [approx] owned their homes, now it's the opposite.
without private landlords there would be a lot of homeless people, plus not everyone wants to live in social housing
Other countries treat addiction as an illness and treat them accordingly. They shouldn’t need private landlords. They need care in the community.
Their own fault
This is due to the lack of social housing, started by the sell off of council homes by Thatcher in the 1980s plus the horrific effects on the cutting of services since 2010 under Tory rule. Read the UN advisor's report on the UK, May 2019, due to the Conservatives using 'Austerity' to cut away at everything underpinning the social fabric. It's damning
Its not private landlords fault that state sold out all affordable housing. Solution lies in mass building of new social housing stock not penalising landlords
and i bet you do a lot of this?
@@pez6905 You clearly don't understand what it's like being addicted to drugs or alchohol.
Do the landlords realise that if they ‘flee the market’ the properties don’t just vanish into thin air?
That first landlord is an angel. Making money and giving people 1 chance who have extreme struggles. Meanwhile the value of property increases and someone is paying his mortgage. Great work
Most of the capital gain is list in Capital Gains Tax.
When you buy a sandwich from a corner shop, you're paying off the owner's mortgage.
Bit cynical , old thing .They help people with housing , what's not to like .
@@normanpearson8753 or alternatively the buy up all the housing, so working people can’t afford it. Then jack up the rent at any opportunity.
@@celinehynes3336 difference with the sandwich, it isn’t someone’s home and they can choose not to have a sandwich. Meanwhile it isn’t an optimum choice to be homeless
@@ozjobif landlords bought up all the market, there would be saturation & rents would come down. If you make it hard for landlords they get out the market & then more people chase fewer houses & rent goes up.
Simple maths of Supply & demand.
The last guy was ridiculous....."Landlords don't have to rent".....go ahead and pay it that mortgage then without our rent payment 🙄
Came to the comments for this
This statement exemplifies why you are a renter.
Do you think tenants get a house without paying rent then? Sorry matey, but you have to understand that this is an investment for a landlord, and investments need to pay a return. If the return isnt enough, then the investor will put their money into something else. And what will THAT do to the private rental market? Hmm??
Will mean houses are more affordable as prices will drop
@@bigrobsydney do you think most landlords can pay the mortgage without the rent payment? I don't GAF if the entire private rental market gets killed off because those houses would be sold to more deserving people.
The vast majority of private landlords already won't let to anyone on a low income. And when they do they often demand 6 or 12 months full rent up front!
No they don't - you don't know what you're talking about
Theyre more likely to insist on a guarantor
I rarely do either
and why would they rent to poor people
Bonds are common. Stops the tenant trashing the place. Stops the tenant from not paying their rent on time.
@@benny210169
Dont talk nonsense
Binds don't stop the tenant trashing the place - jyst ask my tenant 🤣🤣
How about we stop private-renting houses entirely, and instead have more room at a lower price for ordinary people to buy for themselves instead of paying someone else's mortgage?
What if you go for a uni? Or have 6 months placement at hospital in a different city? Or you dont want to buy because you plan to move elswhere?
@@Speedkam Remember when Unis and hospitals used to supply their OWN accomodation? As did many professions.
Being able to rent has nothing to do with having to rent.
Well long and short of it we don’t and likely never will. Labour could build 300k houses a year and it would still take 10 years
@@kevoreilly6557 time to start force sales of empty properties at cost of building prices. capped rents and wealth taxes, that will soon sort things out
landlords flee market -> higher supply of houses being sold -> house prices decrease -> more ppl will buy their own home
SMALL landlords flee market -> LARGE landlords buy them -> rents go up -> more ppl will be homeless or in poverty
@@forestsunset9617 maybe it's time for legislation to make huge housing portfolios less desirable, so OP's scenario is more likely than yours.
It doesnt work like that. I live in area with high percentage of rental area, ppl call it ghetto as it doesnt look nice. You can buy property here for 40k. Despite this people who want to occupy dont buy it. Only landlords buy. Why?
How much would they have to decrease by before institutional investors buy them up?
Landlords are unneeded middleman stopping first time buyers, by outbiding them. In all other businesses middle men are unwanted as they add to costs.
We need to protect our vulnerable, not greedy people.
yes yes yes.
Great. Pay for it with higher council rates, and then your council can buy some social houses for them.
@@bigrobsydney I live in Sevenoaks, my council tax is already over 3k a year.
Our vulnerable are a drain society, landlords offer a service. It's time to start looking after the successful people who put into society,
@@watchalot919 Silly comment that misses the point entirely.
Council houses were built to be affordable homes that a regular working class family could afford, with one person working. Now, these same houses are barely affordable even with two adults working full time.
Let the Landlords leave the market. My heart bleeds for them (lol). The government need to buy back a lot of council houses and the old council estates, and make them affordable again, instead of them being goldmines for private landlords.
buying back would cost many times more than building new but yes, there should be much more Council-controlled & genuinely affordable properties for rent.
If landlords are so hard done by, sell your properties to local authorities who can rent as social housing!
Local authorities would still have to have a budget to buy housing. And it's cheaper to build them at scale than to buy the same number of separate properties
Or rent it out as a AirBnB
We will sell up I guarantee you that…..
You haven't got a clue have you
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Large glut of property hits the market at once an buyers are not buying. Price drop in property.
Plenty Landlords would carry on.
S 21 evictions are widely abused. I had a heart attack and my landlady evicted me using S21. Her reason was that she thought I wouldn't be well enough to look after the house. What a caring society when the judge cannot take any defence or argument against these evictions. No mitigation just draconian power for the landlord.
so if you are responsible for maintaining the property as part of your tenancy agreement but are unable to do so who will do so ? Who !
But it’s her property to do with as she wishes … this is not state owned North Korea
@@adamsosa People should have a duty of care, not to do as they wish. Look at the stacks of employment law preventing employers from firing those who fall sick or have an inconvenient disability or condition, yet landlords can "fire" their tenants the moment they become inconvenient. This is just an exploitative practice that falls through the cracks with the rest of our laws and regulations, and the reason it hasn't been fixed is because most landlords probably all vote Tory to keep taxes and mortgage interest rates low.
@@dickyt1318 Nothing in the contract about me maintaining the property that was the landlords job. It was kept clean and rent never missed. She just wanted me out so she could charge more for the next tenant who she had already lined up. But hey she did the same to that tenant too when she wanted to charge more. Evicted her and her two children. I know this because I know her father. The landlord is now generally ignored by the people and she went on to sell the house as her reputation as an evil landlord meant she couldn't rent any longer.
Poor old landlords 😂
Dont rent then
@@Speedkam go on, have another go but try to make some sense this time 🤣
I know. Here they are, buying homes to rent out at a profit, to then pay off and sell for huge further profits for their little nest eggs, and all they get is grief. Some brain dead commenters on here today.
@@willsoul007 Who should pay for your housing ?
@@boxingtruth2167 I’m a homeowner. How can I be of assistance?
We need a massive social housing building program!!!
We can't, because as soon as the Tories get back in power, they flog off the social housing at a loss to tenants just to gain some votes
And zero immigration
Get your wallet out and pay for it.
This is it, precisely. Thatcher destroyed it intentionally, now it is more going to the ground by default and greed. New homes needed desperately run by decent Councils not private landlords.
Like we did after the war.
Well said Angela, the root problem in the UK is that since thatcher initiated the sell off of council housing, there has been little building of affordable housing buy councils. This is due in the main the underfunding by central government. under Tony Blair’s govt, more houses were built than under tories, but even this was well short of the required.
The definition of affordable housing is housing that is paid for through benefits. Why build hundreds of thousands of houses that will never actually be paid for by the tenants who live in them.
Under Blair the NHS was privatised and the gates were opened to immigrants, with criminal records.
@@watchalot919
So, according to your view tent Cities are ok?
Sleeping on the streets is perfectly acceptable?
Or would you prefer workhouses?
It is ironic that many Labour councillors were the first in the queue to buy their council house. How dare they complain? Oops I forgot all labour MP's, and councillors take the Hipocritic Oath otherwise they couldn't claim to be socialists.
It was because Thatcher put a borrowing cap on local councils . Councils borrowed on the open market to build houses , and the house paid for itself within 12-15 years .
My sister with her kids going through really hardship just because of the landlord’s pure pure greed. Despite residing at the property for few years landlord Only giving out 6 months contract just so the price can be increased upon renewal. I agree that it’s their business but £700 for two bedroom with damp and mould absolutely ridiculous these people.
do you know how economics works? if prices in general go up so does rent and we are in a very fluctuating economy so they have to do this, this is very basic stuff
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle it’s also basic stuff to not provide slum dwellings.
@@imalittletoxicjustalittlejust call it what it is , exploitation of the vulnerable and desperate.
@imalittletoxicjustalittle Do you know what s conscience is?
Learn your facts first!!!!a mortgaged property is under the rules of the lender!!!!ITS THE LENDER THAT DICTATES 6 MONTHS TENANCY !!ITS IN THE MORTGAGE RULES!!!!!
Here's the issue. A lot of people want to own their own home but the government makes sure landlords are provided with an endless supply of renters by keeping home ownership out of reach of most people.
So where do you think the people who can't afford to buy a home are suppossed to live?
Ownership isn’t a right.
@@citizenphaid1880Nor is being a landlord.
@@annishilcock4587 Council housing... are you like an alien who has never been to the UK.
@@citizenphaid1880 Houses are supposed to be affordable for average people. The only reason they aren't is because we are in a third-world style system of hoarding wealth. We are becoming more and more like Nigeria which is funny considering those responsible are usually the most xenophobic towards countries like that.
The reason the private rental market for low income didn't exist is because the government provided it, the difference between then and now is rent was cheaper relative to earnings and the streets were cleaner. Nothing has been improved by having the private rental market. All that has happened is a great flow of money from the bottom to the top.
It's like we saw countries like Nigeria and Zambia with their insane wealth disparity and thought "yeah let's be more like them". The Tories are quite blatantly destroying the country economically
The population has more than doubled since the first council houses were built. They were originally built for the working class, NOT the NON working class.
Same old, same old....
@@watchalot919 Yes the population has more than doubled since then, which again begs the question why we've been building less and less affordable housing? Yet I see more and more houses being built just to buy/rent at extortionate prices while also being built badly by whoever was the cheapest available construction company?
Council housing was originally built for eventual profit. Only people in work would be given a house. Over time the properties were only given to the so called needy who paid rent through benefits. In brief, building more social housing can now never offer a return. If you want hundreds of thousands of council houses to be built it will have to be paid for by the tax payer, and few people want to pay even more tax
Why not build up a longer notice period / more protection, for each year you have lived in the property? There are two types of renters. People temporarily living in an area renting for convenience and people who will never afford to buy whose home is the rental property, expecting to live there for years/lifetime. The latter needs protection as it's their "home" - the former not so much.
Landlords bought up many of the council housing stock, though they themselves would never live there, they just see it as free money and now they are scared that a change of government will damage their bank accounts that have been growing exponentially as they increase rent to properties 6 or 8x higher than the councils would charge and now scream when someone says the renter needs protection. What is wrong with people, are they that greedy? People need to survive and have some dignity and a shop doorway provides neither, the sooner the rich start to understand that, the better, right now they don't care
Whenever I hear a landlord complaining about how hard done too they are it infuriates me. You can sell your property and move on if being a landlord is such a pain. Im 33 have a decent wage and still cant get on the property ladder in anything other than a tiny box room flat because Im a single renter. There needs to be more protections for private renting where landlords have been taking immoral advantage and crippling renters ability to save with insane rent increases.
It infuriates me when whinging tenants won't save a deposit ,won't sacrifice nice things to save ,won't start with a rundown house to do up ,to scared of the hardwork,won't buy in that area,to rough ,or anti socia/crime ridden area, it makes me sick,whingeing ,whining,,wanting average house straight away ,you have to move house a couple of times ,to get up the housing ladder ,more renovations ,more hard work and sacrifices,!!!
Maybe they should bring in a new law, where a tenant could get their property protected from a section 21 order, as soon as they make a complaint to the authorities, about the property being in need of repairs…….
And so, they can lodge a complaint, knowing that the complaint will freeze the property so that they are safe from being evicted under a section 21 order, until a certain amount of months(or years) after the repairs are completed…….
Sure, as long as Landlords can have independent arbitration to evict someone smearing their bottom contents up the walls. Rayner would stop all that...
Landlords don't become landlords because they want to provide homes to people. They become landlords so they can rake in loads of money without having to be tied down with a job. What the landlords here are effectively saying when they claim that they will leave the market altogether if section 21 is abolished, is that they only want to be landlords if they can makes LOADS of money from it. If they are faced with any difficulties that impact on those profits, and those profits get reduced from LOADS to LOTS, then they will sell up and not buy any more houses to rent out? So there will be lots of properties not being snapped up by wealthy people wanting to increase their wealth even further, which instead can be bought by people who want to live in them, or bought by the council and rented out cheaply? And that's a bad thing? So we all NEED landlords (aka middlemen) do we? Hmmm.
I am a landlord. I inherited a house. Did I do it for the money? I dont have a mortgage and neither does the rental property. Why would I sell it when I can get a fair rental from the property? And for the record, I just paid to put solar panels on it at my expense and turned down 2 rent increases from the managing agent.
@@mustrumridcully3853 when you say you refuse to sell it because you want the recurring income from rental, that is literally doing it for the money.
@@xThronex Yes it is, and that is our choice, so what is the problem? It will also become my pension in time. So why do you have a problem with me making sure I am funded in my later life, instead of needing state support?
@@mustrumridcully3853You inherited a house and you're saying this in a debate where people are actually being told to leave their homes, communities and potentially their jobs based on external factors that don't have anything to do with them? Come on guy. Why are you here? You got a house for free. Others are paying rent and face homelessness. Figure it out.
You are literally saying you didnt do anything to own that property. - taking earnings and a pension off someone else’s hard graft? And then still somehow complaining?
'Landlords will be fleeing the market' Goodbye, don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Dream on inflation is so high no government will be able to afford to build council housing. The 1970s aren't coming back.
Yes I am sure they will be with 5%+ interest available in cash savings accounts and with further rules and regulations to meet.
The second guy on the video got most of the important facts across - greater supply is needed and greater numbers of council houses should be part of it.
The private rental sector will likely steadily shrink with largely smaller landlords leaving, I hope the government of the day and the local councils will be ready to replace every rental home like for like as the sector reduces in size, but I worry that this will not be the case as its not an easy task to expand council housing - I think that landlords will be quick to leave and social housing will be slow to respond by replacing the lost rentals.
My sentiments exactly!
You clearly do not rent, if you did i feel you would not be so bulish about something that could make you homeless.
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The whole issue is people who see houses as an investment and not a home.
This guy is acting as if housing isn't a necessity but as if it's a luxury!
Playing the system, lazily.
Money for old rope.
Food and water will be the next luxury on the list.
You are spot on Angela ! Ive just been evicted via section 21, for nothing after 19 years, council couldnt help so having to stay in a friends spare room for now, Im 51 years old, you’ve got my vote because no one else cares about us ! Thankyou 🙏🏻
She does,nt care about you either , if she is in power you will still be sitting in your friends spare room watching immigrants being offered social housing.
How do you know she hasn't been elected to government yet.
Because no matter who is in power they cannot magic up council homes where there is limited space.wothoit infrastructure it will only hinder your overall quality of life. They should end the right to buy and stop councils losing so much stock every year
@@jasonbrooks6562 this isn't the first time she's been in front of a microphone.
@dekone5758, the Green Party are where Labour ought to be politically so vote Green.
Sounds like fearmongering on the side of landlords to me. If they arent putting to rental market, they'll eventually need to sell back to the market, which will improve supply within the housing market chain
reason most landlords rent out is to sit themselves not all & when market is prime they flog it if not they rent it
As a landlord, this makes me think even more that i will be selling the lot.
Tenants all over the UK thank you.
Not my current tenants ! Given how few rentals there are out there i doubt they could find anything similar for anything like the rent they pay. If the govt want rid of us, that is just fine by me, i would have been ready to sell in a few years anyhow, but if they don't build millions of houses pretty quickly where exactly are all our evicted tenants going to live ? And forget them en-masse buying their ex rental, they won't be able to afford it. @@willkydd
@willkydd look what happened to Ireland 😂 don't hate landlords
Currently there is no balance whatsoever. I am in the process of being served a section 21 for a home I have rented for almost a decade. In that time I unfortunately became disabled, and have already been subject to indirect discrimination over the past week whilst speaking with letting agents for a new place. Am so shocked 😔
What Is there a reason you have been issued a Section 21?
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Why cayour landlord have his house back?
It doesn’t belong to you
I am sorry to hear about your disability. However just because you rented the house for 10 years that house still belongs to the landlord. I am living in a council house for 20years and paying rent the house still belongs to the council
If you own the house surely you have a saying what you do with it
House's should be Treated as Homes and Not Business Ventures!
If there is no business, who is going to build a house for you? Would they all do it for nothing? Who is going to pay for the bricks and machinery?
Last guy after Rayner pointed out all the reasons for there being balance between what the tenant and landlord have in terms of rights was agreeing that there should be balance but obviously wants that balance to be in his favour as a private landlord and not in favour of people who are going to have their lives upturned by section 21 lol.
Council should bulid along the river Thames instead of selling the land to private developers .
There should not be private landlords housing for lack of housing. The government must build council properties creating jobs and providing homes for people to rent..private landlords are parisites milking the poorest and expect the state to make up their rental income
Margret Thatcher, should never have been allowed to sell of our social housing, it's becoming absurd.
She did it to benefit the banking mafia, making money on mortgages for the housing stock released, it wasn’t for the ex-council tenants that wanted to buy
Tories- they promise the Earth then sell the water. They privatised that as well.
If no one had taken up her offer, fair enough, but actually the program was enormously popular ...
@@aclark903 I was very young by yes it was, but 99% of them people weren't buying up house's to turn into rooms, just to make money. But yes very valid point.
@@guardian100 I'd be interested to know where you got your % from?
That last caller had a point about landlords withdrawing their properties from the rental market, hopefully enough of them will do it and the prices fall. It's the shortages of rental accommodation that is continually pushing up rents so maybe the market needs a bit of a crash to free up properties that the council can buy.
@@boxingtruth2167 What exactly do you think will happen to these 4 million houses just sitting there? Mortgages and council tax need to be paid. Since your analogy implies this will all happen in one go what do you think the effect of millions of houses coming onto the market will have on the ability of these renters and councils to buy them?
My privately rented house has damp and a radiator is hanging off the wall. Also, ceramic tiles on kitchen floor are broken and taped up plus a leaking conservatory roof, both of which they have know about for over 3 years but not repaired. I have been their tenant for 7 years and never been late with my rent. I am too afraid to ask them to do repairs because of Section 21. Plus, my rent just went up for the 2nd year in a row. What am I supposed to do?
Take pictures and contact citizen advice and join a union tenant
Our problem is an obsession with home owning. There's a feeling in this country that if you're renting, you're a second class citizen. It ain't like that in Germany and Scandinavia, nor the UK going back. When I was a lad in 1970s Rochdale, 80% of the entire housing stock was council owned. And they were spacious and comfortable, with front and back gardens at an affordable rent. You could buy a house if you wanted to, but most didn't.
@@Spaceman-jk5fb Sorry to make a philosophical point Spaceman, but none of us are in control of our destiny.
No one seems to miss the very obvious counter argument that landlords like to make about "choice" to rent. No one who's owned a home ever choses to go back to renting. Renting isn't a choice for anyone, it's a necessity because multiple home owning landlords have skewed the property market and inflated the house prices out of reach of first time buyers... then they talk about the people "chosing to rent". It's like the claim of people "chosing" zero hours contracts... no one is chosing that, people are forced to accept it because it's the only available option.
@@PostingCringeOnMain Well I agree with almost everything you said, except that I did own a home and then chose to rent. I've done it all. I've been a homeowner, a landlord and a tenant. It is a valid choice, or it should be, to rent. We need a mixed provision of housing ie turn the clock back 50 years. That and a million homes built every year.
Owning a home means you have capital and a backup plan for care home expenses if your pension and other savings run out. And it’s nice to be able to pass the home onto children to give them a safety net.
@@chrisj9700 True. I wouldn't deny that sons and daughters could possibly benefit, if care home fees (average £3,400 per month) don't eat it all. But at the end of that, (as I have personally experienced) there is an end game where you desperately search for the least worst option with no money left. Welcome to post neo-liberalism.
Me and my partner moved into a property with a private landlord about a leak coming through our ceiling and damp. We were told it was our responsibility to sort and then the next month were served a section 21 notice with one month to find somewhere to live. This unexpectedly caused us both financial setbacks and stress.
I agree that landlords should have the right to get their property back if they wish but there is absolutely no protection for private tenants at the moment and this needs to change.
If you’ve got evidence then you can sue the landlord.
Lots of solicitors firms will do no win no fee Disrepair claim
My landlord was forced to fix a leak after I instructed no win no fee Solicitors for a Disrepair claim
@@Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood it's a bad state of affairs if the only way you can deal with landlords is through lawyers.
As a landlord..the health and safety would step in and .make the repairs get done or court
Shock horror, Landlords don't want to remove Section 21.. But they do like to charge really high rents..
And don't mind evictng people who run out of their lives savings, or just can't afford the latest rent increase..
Well yes, because landlords own the property, it's their right to sell it if they want, or give it to their family.
Why should they not be allowed to?
@matthewfrancis9830 See my post below, that explains it..
I own a one bed flat in a nice area of London. I'm planning on going to my husband's home country, NZ for a year. I'm not a commercial landlord, but would rather subsume the cost of leaving it empty,by working, than risk coming home to be homeless myself because tenants wouldn't leave when the lease expires. The caller is totally correct.
Build more council homes. Outlaw private landlords altogether.
@@Spaceman-jk5fbThey shouldn't be using housing for profit, just like with healthcare
@@darkmusky9851restaurants and supermarkets use food for profit. Shouldn't that be non profit too? Should we outlaw private farms like the khmer rouge did?
@@thepissedofflandlord Except those things work but in housing it doesn't
I love how the landlords talk about landlords fleeing the market is a bad thing. Wah wah wah!!! Poor landlords! Imagine feeling that level of entitlement from exploiting people trying to just not be homeless. Cxnts.
Great comment. Buy to let should be scrapped
@@spencergregory8049 or at the very least extremely limited.
I had received section 21 in October 2021 and i am still residing in a hostel with my 3 children now for 3 years!! The landlord had evicted me because he became too “uncomfortable” seeing my family living overcrowded in his flat so he thought he will evict us with section 21.! These days landlord have the power to charge what they want for their property and the incompetent Government that caused this whole mess is all silent while they cap housing benefits but dont cap how much private landlords charge for their properties!
Was you overcrowded though?
That's because it's the landlords property at no point during the rental is it ever "your house" it's the landlords house and as it's their property they have the right to determine who lives in it. As long as their contract with you is in compliance with the law they're not required to take your circumstances into account.
Section 21's are being issued because people can't afford the increase in rents, rents have to be capped. Whereas many of the rents have doubled in the last year, there is no justification for the huge increases. I know one local family that were paying £850 a month and their rent went up to £1,400. They had no choice but to move out and move to a different area away from their schools etc. That puts even more cars on the road to take their children to school.
Landlords are evil leeches. Get a job
The abolition of Section 21 will of course upset a certain type of landlord; those who shouldn't be landlords. But, for the tenants, who are working for a living, it makes perfect sense. . . A vote-winner on a plate!
DO SOME MORE RESEARCH !
They've already caused problems with the discrimination against the unemployed because landlords wanted guarantors from those on benefits but got banned from saying 'no DSS' on their adverts so all the landlords have done is say if they can't treat them different then they won't so now they want a guarantor from EVERYONE so anyone without one is knackered
That is down to insurances who wont cover benefit tenants and u cant rent out without insurance
BTL mortgages want banning as well, never should have been allowed in the first place. What a place the UK, England in particular, has become. But until we have electoral reform I'm afraid little will change. PR would start to break the cycle...
Landlords are the among the worst parasites in the world. Renters pay their mortgages for them to become rich and more greedy. The government should restrict property investment and instead promote property ownership from the people! This situation of renters paying for landlords to own a property is despicable. Landlords, why don't you go make a proper investment to contribute to the society rather than being disgusting parasites.
This landlord (at the beginning) knows full well that his bread and butter comes from the housing benefit. S 21 is a 'no fault' eviction and it is used to get rid of people for any number of reasons. There is, pretty much, only one challenge against it which involves the holding of the deposit. If people want to become property landlords, then they need to take this one (change of legislation) on the chin.
I thought that that housing benefit was paid directly to the tennant so now the tennant has the bread and butter and the landlord has to get the rent from tennant Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@keithbenson4915 Housing benefit can be paid either directly to the tenant or to the landlord, depending on the underlying claim that leads to the HB award. Direct payment to the landlord of rent under the provision of Universal Credit is somewhat different, as it means that rent portion can only be paid directly to the landlord if a person supporting the tenant makes a request to UC on behalf of the tenant to pay the landlord in that way, whereas, it used to be solely the choice of the tenant, as I recall, under JSA, ESA, etc.
@@LadyDiamondIsHereNow that is totally untrue. Even if the money initially setup to go to landlord, tenant can call Universal credit and change it to go to the tenant. Landlord will not find it out until the money is not showing up and there is nothing and no one they can call to get the money, other than keep on chasing the tenant who decides to keep the money.
I let out my place to someone on benefit once and I will never ever let to anyone on benefit any more.
@@keithbenson4915 My own thoughts on this are that HB should automatically be paid to the landlord, rather than going through the tenant. I know that some would say that's treating the tenant as if they have no agency and no responsibility, but it safeguards the rental payment to the landlord and the issuing authority is definitely going to pay. Whereas, putting the rent in the hands of the tenant is an extra and unneeded step and can be a temptation to some, to dip into the rent to help pay for other things, such as bills and food
Also, as a prospective landlord, I believe that you are now also able to request a direct payment for the rent for people on UC, thus bypassing the tenant and any potential issues with getting your money. It's called ADRP - Application for Direct Rent Payment
SO Landlords with problem tennants are using Section 21 to evict because the Courts process is too slow; the side effect is that decent tennants are being evicted using this process because it suits the landlord or to punush them for reasonable requests?
So fix the courts, make it quicker and easier to get a ruling on a problem tennant and at the same time have a simple route where tennants can take their landlords to court if they are being failed. Possibly widen the scope of the tennacy terminations to include wanting to get the property back to sell etc
Also at least 2 landlords on the call equated Socail Tennants with problem tennants, which frankly speaks volumes about their prejudice
My advice is don't leave the property, make them go through the courts to get you out if you haven't missed any payments and aren't at fault, they moment they realise you'll cost them loads of money to get rid of they should leave you alone and if they don't sue them in return meanwhile you continue living at the property. They may even give you money to leave
So what if they want to sell the property? Then the tenant needs to leave in a reasonable timeframe, which is entirely justified. @@callumkearney4953
@@callumkearney4953 you dont understand sec21. It's used for a no fault eviction. ie, the tenant isn't in breach of anything, they havent done anything wrong, they're not being taken to court for non payment, nothing like that. The landlord just wants their house back. So they serve a sec 21 and give them 2 months notice. If the tenant refuses to leave, then they are in breach of that notice and that can go to court and eventually eviction. You cant sue a landlord just because you dont want to leave THEIR property.
Landlords are greedy for doubling rents in the last year. Why should the poor buy houses for landlords?
Landlords provide housing because of financial incentives, not because of some kind of moral obligation to provide housing…
I hear Paul's plight but he should be honest with himsef- not all landlords are in it for the reasons he is. In fact, amongst Tory circles he would probably be frowned upon. This issue of owning a home has been deliberately neglected for decades. When you see the Tories have been in power for 40 of the last 53 years and you realise most Tory MPs are landlords, it's easy to see why.
Don't feel to sorry for him, if they'd put up his full call unedited you'd have heard he's a bigoted gammon blaming it all on "the immigrants".
REGULATION NEEDS TO BE FAR TOUGHER IN UK.
EG.
Your national insurance number is the thing all credit checks are done against both for landlords and renters.
That way any issues can be easily checked against those details.
No national insurance number means no renting, get a bad check as either landlord or renter and you find it difficult to be either a landlord or renter.
My idea probably sounds silly but we should all be granted a living ‘pod’ at 18. Solar and wind powered. Maybe pay a small fee to have it on designated land. Everybody deserves their own private, safe, warm space.
We need a long term social house building program where the properties are owned by local councils. We need families to have a home where their children can grow and build relationships like many of us and our parents had.
The right-to-buy program was a political way to move council home renters to owners, which had the subsequent affect of councils reducing their headcount and outsourcing their responsibilities to run-for-profit businesses. Commercialism in slow motion, or small government…
I had friends from nursery through to secondary and college due to council homes.
Private and council landlords have their tenants pay their mortgages (debts) whilst owning the asset. Councils will raise money from their assets for their communities. This is different to private landlords…
Labour built almost zero council houses when they were in power...
@@____________________________.x that is incorrect.
Blair and Brown governments built 7,870 council houses over >>>13 years
The root problem is to much immigration , to many social dwellers, and working class now struggle to pay what the social dwellers get for free , there’s anger and disconnect , house British people first who have been here since day dot, not people who got here in the last 2 years , 52 percent of social housing is taken by forreign born nationals ? And how is this fair to the Uk population?
Should people with French sounding names get freebies, or only those who've been here since before the Romans?
@@willkydd your response has lead to where the Uk is today
Wow! An MP that actually answers yes or no to a question instead of going all round the houses. Respect.
I was so pleased to hear her, Angela for PM.
@@NMiller80666There’s not many reasons to vote Tory but Rayner is one of them.
She gave a straight answer but unfortunately tumayely demonstrated she is clueless
Unfortunately it's ALL she can do.
they ALL say yes or no, when NOT in power, after an election, the mask drops
The banks should recognise that people that can prove they are paying rent regularly can pay a mortgage. I don't know why they disregard this?
I got so despondent about the price, the condition and the lack of security around private renting that I started living in converted vehicles back in 2001.
I have bounced back into rented houses at times in that time, last being 2016. At that property we were held accountable for bodged repairs of the old Lath and horse hair plaster literally collapsing off of walls.
The property before that had heating problems that caused us to have workmen in for over a week then still didn't work.
We got the blame for mould in that place.
I will not tar all with the same brush but i am yet to meet a decent landlord.
So.
I will carry on living in my vehicle and putting up with the council knocking and trying to move us on. It is a more secure option.
It's been more than 13 years this problem, we have seen council and housing association stock being taken away since the 80s under both Conservatives and under Labour in '97 to '09. There has to be a huge investment in building a huge number of council houses where the build of private houses is stalled. The UK has had a major problem with housing and that was when it was seen as an investment than a place to live.
It's time to bring that to an end. We need to get 90-95% new homes built now for social housing with 5% for buying, let's do that for the next 90-100 years.
That last landlord is why it needs changing. Landlords haven't sold up their properties in Wales since RentSmart came into play, it just takes a little more work rather than free money. Time for England to catch up.
I'm puzzled by your use of free money? How is it free the landlord rents a home to a tennant and then expects rent,if anything it's the tennant who gets free money!
I think some callers do highlight the issue - housing is treated as an investement , not housing.
In Australia you can remove a tenant for a breach of the lease before lease ends, there are specific breaches that can be taken to a tribunal, and then a member will decide on if it is appropriate or not. the tenant can use this facility for breaches by the landlord as well which includes non maintenance of the property. Some states have a law in which you cannot end the lease for no reason, which stops the fear of homelessness in a chaotic market. its obviously more complex than this but it is a little more fair from what I see.
I have to say I appreciate that Angela Rayner just gives yes/no answers
I have 2 properties and after numerous problems with tenants I've changed them to holiday accommodtion instead. I've had to use a section 21 twice, both times for bad tenants not paying rent and severely damaging the properties. As a single mum, I've worked extremely hard all my life to buy these nest eggs so my children have a decent inheritance when I'm gone, then when someone wrecks your investment costing you money to put it right its heartbreaking. I'm not a millionaire with a fancy car and expensive lifestyle, I'm just a normal person with an average income, so the risk of renting is just too high for me.
BS. If you're a single mum on an average income there's no way you could afford to buy two houses. Sounds like you're rinsing your ex, or you've inherited some money from a dead parent.
You sign an agreed contract. If no one breeches the terms of that contract the contract may not be broken. I don’t understand why landlords feel that basic principles shouldn’t apply to them. If the lease is 12 months why should they be able to terminate it before then??
I wish the landlords who want to easily evict tenants at the end of their lease do fly the market and give the properties back to the councils who do have a social conscience and don’t just think of the profits they make.
These landlords talk like they're philanthropists while they're basically just taking out mortgages which are being paid for by the tax payer through housing benefits, they end up owning houses that we've all paid for.
Just to add as an aside Angela was brilliant there.
Why do we "need" a "thriving private sector"?
Because tax payers cannot find everything
@@kM-ij2ly LOL what a Tory answer.
@@ThePereubu1710 it’s true though. How much more are you prepared to pay in taxes? Do you want to hand over half of your earned income to the taxman?
Buy to let mortgages are disgusting and evil !!!
My brother is a alcoholic he is put in one of the houses everytime he comes out of prison due to he’s problem he gets thrown out and ends up sleeping on the street and that is because they throw drug addicts and alcoholics in the same houses and that is a disaster waiting to happen my mum died in 2020 it was all to much for her we only have my father left and he can’t live with my father or us due to his problems these people need different help personally he needs to be sectioned and to get proper help what they are doing isn’t helping him or us
I hear your pain. I’m so sorry. The government has completely let us down.
bring back the rent act which capped rents at a reasonable figure. Today these landlords just make up a large figure, so you either except it or sleep on the streets
But then if that doesn’t cover the mortgage the landlord will sell the place to a developer or something
@@lucylane7397 agreed, that's why I think you shouldn't be allowed a second home unless you pay at least 50% deposit so small mortgage. There are too many people in poverty for this to continue
The attitude of “I do this out the kindness of my heart, AND CAN TAKE IT AWAY AT A MOMENTS NOTICE!” Is nuts
Also gotta love the “I did one econ class, deregulation is the answer”
Yeah, tbh landlords truly are out of touch.
@@willkydd No honestly the public are out of touch. The irrational politics of envy hatred of landlords has led to govt policy that has pushed small landlords out of the market, reduced the supply of rentals and made things even worse for renters. The average person has no idea how things work and form their opinions on emotions. Hopeless for any complex problem,
@@paullegend6798 it's not envy, landlords are literally parasites. Even Adam Smith hated them.
You have clearly never dealt with human garbage tenants. They are why I never advertised in public and rented by word of mouth to other military etc.
@@Comm0ut and I suppose you’ve never dealt with garbage landlords. I don’t think it should be impossible to evict tenants and your comment has literally nothing to do with what I said
People with serious health problems which affect their ability to take care of their own self and property shouldn't be having to privately rent anyway. I managed to maintain a private rental comparatively well for a couple of years, but it was a constant source of fear and stress which made me more ill.
We need council housing, and supported social housing of other kinds. If landlords start dropping out of the market, government and housing associations should be buying up housing wherever possible (though I recognise the expense of that). At the end of the day, these investments will mean that we have more functional citizens with fewer health needs, more able to contribute economically and get along with others.
From what I've heard here and elsewhere, Angela Rayner somewhat understands this. Fingers crossed Labour and the nation have the will to commit to serious reform.
Landlords are leeches. The solution to all of this is finding a way to provide affordable housing to regular people.
2:28 if landlord leave the market the house doesn't puff out of existance. The house is still there the supply is exactly the same the difference is less landlords less demand which means lower prices. This will lower house prices and in turn lower rent.
Landlords won't leave the market. Other landlords will buy their portfolios at knockdown prices and rent them out again.
@@alfsmith4936 yep but rented out at a lower rate because it was bought for less
Unfortunately, a lot of houses bought by landlords have been divided up into tiny flats to make more profit. Often these are little more than a bedsit but if there are no shared facilities, they can be sold as separate flats - therefore taking houses out of the market for those who wish to buy and live in a house. This also means they are more likely to be sold on to other landlords.
@@Alex-cw3rz I would go down the HMO route and rent to housing benefit claimants if people couldn't afford to rent whole houses but if I wasn't morally bankrupt, less income than the last owner was happy with is better than none and the more property you can buy, the less you need to make off each one to live very comfortably.
And how is it going to lower house prices ? Get rid of 20 million immigrants and you might stand a chance , the housing crisis is caused by to many people simple as that . If you build a million houses every year to house all the present ones do you think no more will come ? Immigration is the main cause of the countries problems and the politicians are just not interested in doing anything about it.
I bought my house 22 years ago. Lovely, peaceful and quiet area.
When my neighbours died, a landlord bought it. First tennants were lovely and fitted right into the community. My latest ones are the opposite.
The noise is driving me mad. Any time....Really, any time at all. This morning it was 4am. 2 days ago it was 11.45 PM.
Raised a complaint with the council but after working for them, I know that they very rarely succeed.
There has to be an option to remove tennants quickly if they are anti-social. All others should be protected.
The council will not help to evict those tenants, because then they would have to find accommodation for them, and they don't have any, because they all got sold off.
Talk about catch 22.
How many politicians own second and third homes and rent them out ! Nobody should own property they don't live in they are making profit out of peoples misery this is what happens when you have a country whose economy is based on owning property
“Landlords” are on a power trip , abolishing Section 21 will humble landlords and discourage landlords to make bank from others misery and make it into a fair and secure exchange
You know what... Angela is the ONLY politician I've heard over the last 5 years to say "YES" or "NO" to a question.
they ALL say yes or no, when NOT in power, after an election, the mask drops
Never trust a politician that speaks down her nose. Look at the party she represents. Flip flop Starmer. She is playing the sheeple. 😅😅😅😅
You may be right, but, I didn't hear her solution on what she thinks is a replacement that is fair to both sides. It's easy to complain in opposition, but I want to get what she would replace it with
Landlord say they make so much money for nothing "because they are taking a risk" yet as soon as they are presented with risk they start crying l ike little babies and demand to be mollycoddled.
Landlords aren’t making money, many are leaving the market
Last caller: "I'm just giving you the facts..."
*Proceeds to give biased opinion
Property developers are sitting on a load of land. They're only going to develop it at the best price they can get. They also are donating to the Tories... As long as basic needs are subject to this people will be milked!
Help us if Labour get into power, she has no clue. Look at the rest of Europe, most people rent if they cannot afford to buy a property but the renters have to look after the properties.
Don't try to explain. Its called the sheeple collective.
@@Zory2871 Not a tory supporter. I support something more enriching and diverse. You clot.
I rented in the 80s. Lots of folk did. This guy makes stuff up.
Ohh nooo lanlords selling houses they're hording what a shame
No one should own more than one house , if landlords had to sell all but one of their houses the price would drop out of property market making prices low enough for .lower earners.
No sympathy for this landlord,he wants to sound like he cares but he takes these poor souls in because he makes money out of them.
So do you think he should pay for them? Maybe wipe their arses too?
@@boxingtruth2167 Try not to be such a cryptic Drama Queen and explain youself in a calm adult way.
@@boxingtruth2167You seem very angry. This must be the tenth comment so far you've replied to.
I applaud this man cos he's taking in the worse sort of people in that really need help from the state. My partner worked in a homeless hostel and most of them are vile, aggressive, and only care about their next fix that's not allowed in premises. Most are not "poor souls".
@@benny210169 Seems to me based on your comments that its you who is "vile and agressive"