Imo most people quit because PA keep introducing more and more gear upgrades, an endless pit of grind to keep up with the "endgame" status. I just want to stick to my 700gs and pvp. Why keep increasing the gear which nobody is asking for and create another pit to grind. Why dont they implement side content like solid pve for unique skins only for pve achievements. Why not introduce pvp armor effects or skins solely from pvp leaderboards or nw streaks. etc etc. We dont need more vertical progressions to keep grinding 24/7. We need a somewhat fixed endgame goal with horizontal progression.
Totally agree with more horizontal progression. I think we all know why they keep doing vertical progression, money. It sells all the things tied to enhancements. Though, I will say, a lot of mmos implement the “carrot-on-the-stick” gameplay loop. It’s kind of a trait of the genre in most cases. Imo, for ranked pvp, the gear needs to be homogenized in some fashion which they’ve taken a foot-half-in approach to. I also somewhat agree with your statement about gear progression. You’re right about people leaving due to the progression fatigue however what about the players that enjoy always having something to push for. It’s a fine line to walk for the devs. You keep putting out more gear as content to strive for which makes the journey for newer players more daunting or exciting depending on your viewpoint. On the other hand those players that barely got to gear cap or are getting close; now they are pissed because the carrot just got pushed even further away. You also have the players that get gear capped fast and are just sitting there waiting for something new to push for. Maybe they are just saving up silver and items so they are prepared for it when it comes or they go and invest into a different part of the game (I.e. life skills or something). It’s weird because the answer seems simple but at the same time complex. Sorry for the essay response. Love the discussions though.
i quit before because no "duel for spot" , no drama between guild , no drama between player , no declaration notification , world chat no more make fun of each other when someone loses , No "F' when failed enchant , no "GZ" when success enchant , no more playing with market stock prices , no pk on sheep hill , no street war , no pvp content at sea, etc .. and some pve player says " then the target market is not you " .... is okay if not me but see PA loses many player and $ to save PVE people who are not mentally strong If you know, back then many Life players ended up jumping into PVP because their progress gear had been capped and feels so bored doing nothing while they so rich in the game
Maybe that’s good for old players get some life tbh this game don’t deserve time grind spending now I got 770gs in short duration then I realized all u said I miss old bdo
Simple math... If you get average 1b silver per hour from grinding; make it so that if you do pvp for 1 hour, you get like 800m - 1b silver + some other cool stuff like cosmetics or materials for other stuff. This way, players feel like their pvp session is as close as possible to their grind session, so they're not missing anything from char progression, + they're actually having real fun pvping and practicing their class, which translates to even more character progression, and some cool rewards on the side. It's really not that difficult... I don't understand the mind of executive managers sometimes and their stupid decisions... Worried about people spending too much time on pvp? well, that's their choice and free will; but regardless, no one is spending their entire bdo time in pvp... Sometimes, and often the case, we just want to relax and grind monsters or do gathering/fishing, away from the stress of action pvp. Something similar can be done with lifeskill, because right now, lifeskill needs more work, it's lacking in silver return etc. ( the imperial delivery is literally dead and useless for example )
The PVP was the only reason I stayed in the game. Fake you definitely grinded more than I did from the start, I always hated it lmao. I remember when you first started and we were all in BA trying to learn each other's classes and I literally saw it when you got hooked, it was a hype moment. You've always had a good energy and are a good content creator regardless of the state of the game. I'll never forget the AriLove costume with the clickbait meme stream, you had over 3k people dying live. It was great. You're the only reason I keep in contact with BDO now but I would definitely come back (less intensity for sure) if they decided to actually follow through with making PVP fun again. The game used to be a savage and toxic environment that spurred on an entire motivated player base to be the best and that competition was the heart of this game. I agree with you at 8:15 that the goal is gear and the fact that even if you achieve your goals, there's nothing to do with your gear because the PVP is gone. We've all said this, I know you're just rehashing it for the video, but we have all said this for years and they easily looked by it in favor of pandering to the PVE crowd (I believe them releasing in China had a lot to do with this.) Either way! You make great stuff!! Love you bro, cute doggo.
7:57, that can also apply to new classes. Which are all basically dead content, I have written off Deadeye as dead content. It also doesn’t help that new classes also look like crap, and have no identity.
ZERO identity.. just crazy SA/s, ridiculous movement, big aoes, no depth at all to any classes and brain dead combos/playstyles. We'll never get another warrior or ninja class with depth and cancels.
Im sure im in the minority but i still think grabs are op af. They could easily balance it in multiple ways but just dont do a thing about it. It's so frustrating being grabbed out of or unreactable dash grabs. I wish something would happen. Another thing is class modifiers need to just go. Not reworked, but gone completely. They already buffed hp and DR. Now, on top of that, tankier classes take 15 to 25% less damage in SA? Tanks were already tanky af and now they are just overly tanky while being highly mobile and dealing tons of damage. Something has to give.
My loyalty to Pearl Abyss died. 8+ year player. BDO was pretty much the only game I played. Defended the game on the forums. Reddit. Stuck by her ups and downs. I've just had enough. The game brings me more sadness than happiness, for multiple reasons, so unless that changes, I likely won't come back. Hopefully whoever plays enjoyes themselves. I miss my Sorc, who's been by my side as my very first character I created, played, and mained. But damn. BDO and PA...it just brings me immense sadness. Its a little hard to explain. But if you get it, you get it. Love you Fake.
10 year sorc player here, represent! I agree with your sentiment. PA has a knack for yapping about changes which either never get implemented, are introduced in a terrible way, or aren’t what players wanted to begin with. I will say I never complain about the quality of life changes they add, those are almost always appreciated. It’s weird because I feel like some of the answers are always sitting right in front of their faces I.e. the advice of their players or the blatantly obvious answers to issues. It sucks when they never act in them or they take exceedingly long to make the necessary changes.
I started back up two weeks ago, I'm loving it but the mouse + game pad not functioning together is so game breaking sometimes. If anyone can help me with this issue it would be very appreciated!
I used to play BDO alot, mostly around the time when having full TET boss gear was the average, with those lucky people getting their PEN dande. I didn't mind blackstar/fallen god honestly, I never really played properly since that got introduced but I have made some pieces and made a PEN blackstar weapon myself, THAT progression felt good but I still much preferred the original boss gear. Sov gear killed the game. Only the dedicated will stay and fuck any new players actually catching up to those that already are sitting on a fundemental of materials to get to Sov. There's no way to catch up for PvP unless you 24/7 PvE which is no fun. For me I just want to PvP, atleast back when it was regular boss gear, even before I had TET I was still able to participate, do some damage, get some kills instead of just getting one shot over and over and hitting like a wet noodle. That's the issue with the game. Mob grinding simulator is no fun.
Need a warsong gulch and an alterac valley and then game would be sweet. Alas tho, BDO is geared for pumping out a new class every few months so people buy new stuff on pearl shop. That isn’t even mentioning the Cron addiction one must have to reach the higher levels of pvp.
Give us area zones with gear cap ranges so good gear still advantages but different in different zones. But still they dont give for people joining. They give for the top 10% so why should the peasents join like aos if it gives nothing
I hope the land before time brings a gear reset. I’m not sure they could do it sooner. Since it’s going to be a complete revamp of the map, maybe black stones don’t have power in the past. We just have to get through demon land and 100 floor dungeon first.
I play on Xbox and I haven’t touch that game since meagu released on console and all I did was make the character then instantly got off of the game 😂. This doesn’t give me hope as a console player that it’s gonna actually get better. Oh well, I was a decent game on console while it lasted. I think at this point they should just shut console down and focus on making the game better on PC.
None sense focus on only PC. You haven't played sense meagu so u don't know that console has got a lot better n so much change to improve the content we have. In a month we be getting XB1 and PS5 version of the game. Which will also bring ulutika region.
Imo most people quit because PA keep introducing more and more gear upgrades, an endless pit of grind to keep up with the "endgame" status. I just want to stick to my 700gs and pvp. Why keep increasing the gear which nobody is asking for and create another pit to grind. Why dont they implement side content like solid pve for unique skins only for pve achievements. Why not introduce pvp armor effects or skins solely from pvp leaderboards or nw streaks. etc etc. We dont need more vertical progressions to keep grinding 24/7. We need a somewhat fixed endgame goal with horizontal progression.
Totally agree with more horizontal progression. I think we all know why they keep doing vertical progression, money. It sells all the things tied to enhancements. Though, I will say, a lot of mmos implement the “carrot-on-the-stick” gameplay loop. It’s kind of a trait of the genre in most cases. Imo, for ranked pvp, the gear needs to be homogenized in some fashion which they’ve taken a foot-half-in approach to. I also somewhat agree with your statement about gear progression. You’re right about people leaving due to the progression fatigue however what about the players that enjoy always having something to push for. It’s a fine line to walk for the devs. You keep putting out more gear as content to strive for which makes the journey for newer players more daunting or exciting depending on your viewpoint. On the other hand those players that barely got to gear cap or are getting close; now they are pissed because the carrot just got pushed even further away. You also have the players that get gear capped fast and are just sitting there waiting for something new to push for. Maybe they are just saving up silver and items so they are prepared for it when it comes or they go and invest into a different part of the game (I.e. life skills or something). It’s weird because the answer seems simple but at the same time complex. Sorry for the essay response. Love the discussions though.
I agree
Re-release the game without the RNG Enhacement and remove p2w = your game is saved.
Lmao love the intro; cant wait to watch this entire vid
i've forgot about bdo since poe2 didnt realise they had a festa xD
Them getting rid of class modifiers is enough for me to stick around to see how they execute on it at least.
now .... the world boss is just despawning .... because no one want's to do it anymore too ....
i quit before because no "duel for spot" , no drama between guild , no drama between player , no declaration notification , world chat no more make fun of each other when someone loses , No "F' when failed enchant , no "GZ" when success enchant , no more playing with market stock prices , no pk on sheep hill , no street war , no pvp content at sea, etc ..
and some pve player says " then the target market is not you " .... is okay if not me but see PA loses many player and $ to save PVE people who are not mentally strong
If you know, back then many Life players ended up jumping into PVP because their progress gear had been capped and feels so bored doing nothing while they so rich in the game
Maybe that’s good for old players get some life tbh this game don’t deserve time grind spending now I got 770gs in short duration then I realized all u said I miss old bdo
more farmable cosmetics are nice I enjoy farming the La Orzeca but it took me 2 years to get my gear suitable for the farming spot lol
Simple math...
If you get average 1b silver per hour from grinding; make it so that if you do pvp for 1 hour, you get like 800m - 1b silver + some other cool stuff like cosmetics or materials for other stuff.
This way, players feel like their pvp session is as close as possible to their grind session, so they're not missing anything from char progression, + they're actually having real fun pvping and practicing their class, which translates to even more character progression, and some cool rewards on the side.
It's really not that difficult... I don't understand the mind of executive managers sometimes and their stupid decisions...
Worried about people spending too much time on pvp? well, that's their choice and free will; but regardless, no one is spending their entire bdo time in pvp... Sometimes, and often the case, we just want to relax and grind monsters or do gathering/fishing, away from the stress of action pvp.
Something similar can be done with lifeskill, because right now, lifeskill needs more work, it's lacking in silver return etc. ( the imperial delivery is literally dead and useless for example )
The PVP was the only reason I stayed in the game. Fake you definitely grinded more than I did from the start, I always hated it lmao. I remember when you first started and we were all in BA trying to learn each other's classes and I literally saw it when you got hooked, it was a hype moment. You've always had a good energy and are a good content creator regardless of the state of the game. I'll never forget the AriLove costume with the clickbait meme stream, you had over 3k people dying live. It was great. You're the only reason I keep in contact with BDO now but I would definitely come back (less intensity for sure) if they decided to actually follow through with making PVP fun again. The game used to be a savage and toxic environment that spurred on an entire motivated player base to be the best and that competition was the heart of this game. I agree with you at 8:15 that the goal is gear and the fact that even if you achieve your goals, there's nothing to do with your gear because the PVP is gone. We've all said this, I know you're just rehashing it for the video, but we have all said this for years and they easily looked by it in favor of pandering to the PVE crowd (I believe them releasing in China had a lot to do with this.) Either way! You make great stuff!! Love you bro, cute doggo.
7:57, that can also apply to new classes.
Which are all basically dead content, I have written off Deadeye as dead content.
It also doesn’t help that new classes also look like crap, and have no identity.
ZERO identity.. just crazy SA/s, ridiculous movement, big aoes, no depth at all to any classes and brain dead combos/playstyles. We'll never get another warrior or ninja class with depth and cancels.
Im sure im in the minority but i still think grabs are op af. They could easily balance it in multiple ways but just dont do a thing about it. It's so frustrating being grabbed out of or unreactable dash grabs. I wish something would happen.
Another thing is class modifiers need to just go. Not reworked, but gone completely. They already buffed hp and DR. Now, on top of that, tankier classes take 15 to 25% less damage in SA? Tanks were already tanky af and now they are just overly tanky while being highly mobile and dealing tons of damage. Something has to give.
Poor doggo didn’t know what was happening😂
My loyalty to Pearl Abyss died. 8+ year player. BDO was pretty much the only game I played. Defended the game on the forums. Reddit. Stuck by her ups and downs. I've just had enough. The game brings me more sadness than happiness, for multiple reasons, so unless that changes, I likely won't come back. Hopefully whoever plays enjoyes themselves. I miss my Sorc, who's been by my side as my very first character I created, played, and mained. But damn. BDO and PA...it just brings me immense sadness. Its a little hard to explain. But if you get it, you get it. Love you Fake.
10 year sorc player here, represent! I agree with your sentiment. PA has a knack for yapping about changes which either never get implemented, are introduced in a terrible way, or aren’t what players wanted to begin with. I will say I never complain about the quality of life changes they add, those are almost always appreciated. It’s weird because I feel like some of the answers are always sitting right in front of their faces I.e. the advice of their players or the blatantly obvious answers to issues. It sucks when they never act in them or they take exceedingly long to make the necessary changes.
same lol
750gs...theres NOTHING to do in this game besides grind for treasure items AKA log in to poe2
I started back up two weeks ago, I'm loving it but the mouse + game pad not functioning together is so game breaking sometimes. If anyone can help me with this issue it would be very appreciated!
I used to play BDO alot, mostly around the time when having full TET boss gear was the average, with those lucky people getting their PEN dande. I didn't mind blackstar/fallen god honestly, I never really played properly since that got introduced but I have made some pieces and made a PEN blackstar weapon myself, THAT progression felt good but I still much preferred the original boss gear.
Sov gear killed the game. Only the dedicated will stay and fuck any new players actually catching up to those that already are sitting on a fundemental of materials to get to Sov. There's no way to catch up for PvP unless you 24/7 PvE which is no fun.
For me I just want to PvP, atleast back when it was regular boss gear, even before I had TET I was still able to participate, do some damage, get some kills instead of just getting one shot over and over and hitting like a wet noodle. That's the issue with the game. Mob grinding simulator is no fun.
$20 FOR THAT? SOLD!
Need a warsong gulch and an alterac valley and then game would be sweet. Alas tho, BDO is geared for pumping out a new class every few months so people buy new stuff on pearl shop. That isn’t even mentioning the Cron addiction one must have to reach the higher levels of pvp.
bro cooked
Give us area zones with gear cap ranges so good gear still advantages but different in different zones.
But still they dont give for people joining. They give for the top 10% so why should the peasents join like aos if it gives nothing
so happy when you do BDO stuff.
I hope the land before time brings a gear reset.
I’m not sure they could do it sooner.
Since it’s going to be a complete revamp of the map, maybe black stones don’t have power in the past.
We just have to get through demon land and 100 floor dungeon first.
dude fell off 1k views lmfao
I play on Xbox and I haven’t touch that game since meagu released on console and all I did was make the character then instantly got off of the game 😂. This doesn’t give me hope as a console player that it’s gonna actually get better. Oh well, I was a decent game on console while it lasted. I think at this point they should just shut console down and focus on making the game better on PC.
When i read xbox I stopped reading sorry don't care
None sense focus on only PC. You haven't played sense meagu so u don't know that console has got a lot better n so much change to improve the content we have. In a month we be getting XB1 and PS5 version of the game. Which will also bring ulutika region.
@@jameschester4242 lol yea most people don’t it’s been like that since 2018
@@blackcoffins1398Not XB1 Xbox Series X/S
@@notzapt Bless up u can tell man ps xD
No save
answer is no, go back to tnl
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On EU the pvp changes were welcome. People love that you can't declare anymore.
4/5 ragebait. almost got me
Game is dead bye!
1st
Game still garbo, will always be garbo.