It also applies to generative AI however, and that’s the elephant in the room for the current music industry. It’s the biggest elephant in the biggest room. The issue is that both samples and ai are misused by bad actors all the time. Tech doesn’t change a lack of morality, and it doesn’t make a moral person less moral, it just means more power requires more responsibility to use the resources morally.
True. It's crazy how greed overpowers everything sometimes. As creators everyone should see themselves in another fellow creator. Honor is rare unfortunately.
I've been using Splice for 5 odd years, sometimes In the past I didn't even chop or pitch it and would still use it, and I've not had one problem the whole time. I've used loops and then heard other producers using and uploading works with the same loops. I personally wouldn't edit and modify their sounds and try to sell them as my own though, yeah you can maybe get away with it, but like any criminal, for how long? It clearly states "In isolation as a sound effect", or as source material for any other form of sample (Even if you modify the sound) You cannot sublicense in a manner of competitiveness, sublicense cannot be ____ "TO A THIRD PARTY" EXCEPT incorporated into a new recording or creative work. Redistribute sounds in sample packs, the whole section contradicts itself. Idk I don't have trouble with licenses and contracts and never have. I know plenty of people and have seen plenty who do that with Splice or another producers stuff, what people forget, and a good analogy for it, would be the Spinz 808. How many are there? It was one, whether the producer allowed for it to be repurposed or not idk, but how many Spinz are there now? People think if I "Modulate" and tweak it enough, I can sell their sound in my own pack. Anyone doing it sits in a grey area imo, look at all the problems, and ways people get sued, like by estates and all sorts. Clearly people don't know TAC's properly.
@@DJPain1 Yeah, that's why I said in my opinion, the terminology of it. It's like they're in a grey area, like Splice saying what it says, but someone out there is flipping and reselling some stuff.
I use to use it but try and chop it up as much as possible they have some good drum sounds. I mostly use it for trap because am a 80s baby and that boom bap just comes out of me so i try to mix it. Thanks for always sharing information pain salute 🫡
She took down the video because splice came after her with a copyright strike, just for showing the licensing, something they don’t want us to know of?
What I’ve learned about using premade loops in sync is that, yes, legally we are allowed to do so. But at some point by doing so, you are opening yourself and your sync library to potential copyright disputes. This is seen as u favorable because now the library has to deal with legal stuff, even if you’re in the right. So it’s advised to not use loops to make sure that your relationship with the library try is as streamlined and worry free as possible. Other sources may vary on how they depict this, but this is what I’ve learned from my source.
My big concern right now is that someone from Distributed Creation Inc. has decided to issue an unwarranted copyright infringement claim on the video of subject. That doesn't sit well with me. @ 13:03 - wondering the same thing, that's a question I'd love to know the clear answer to as well
You mention them adding a royalty split under certain terms. How does that work with splices royalty free concept? With splice making it relativly clear that the samples you download are royalty free, how would they circumvent splices contract with the producer, legally?
@@WillieTheAutomaton that’s separate from splice. Splice is royalty free. If you release your samples packs on your own site, which they do, you can set any terms you want
As an "old head" producer, I've used Splice but only to get a feel for what the current trends are because it shifts a lot. But, personally, I have never used it for any client work.
Whats the summary? Can they take from us or not? I remember before there was a case of producer 'Sarz' claiming back rights after something from his pack was used on a big record
It's a 15 minute video bro it's already a summary lol. But the general conclusion of the video is that producers can safely use Splice for beats etc as long as they understand that it's a license to use the Splice sound, not ownership over it (in other words you can't then sell the same sound in your own sample pack or transfer the license, etc)
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It’s still their intellectual property. It’s like renting a car and modifying it. You’re not supposed to do that and it doesn’t automatically grant an ownership transfer
Yes, bro, you are not allowed to take someone else's sample. and then create. a new sound. using that sample. And so as your own original sample, because in order for you to get to that end result for that sample. that you have just created using another person's sample. would not exist at that other person not create that sound. And this is one thing that a lot of rap producers don't really understand. But I get it. It's because they're not sound designers. So they want to know this knowledge because this is stuff that only like a real nerd would know is that you cannot recreate someone's son sound one to one. as an original you can get close but you're not going to recreate it exactly the same. What sound design there's just too many different combinations. for someone to take all those exact same steps as you did. in order to achieve your sound which is why we have things like signature sounds and a bunch of other producers. slash sound designers spin. a very long time trying to figure out. how to remake those sounds and normally when someone comes out with this signature sound if the designer actually is capable of creating narrow style bases our neural style sounds it takes at least a decade for the general public to figure out. how to get close to a similar result and 9 times out of 10 that discovery of how to achieve that raw signature sound is mostly heavy lifted by some new plugin. that basically acts in a similar manner to what a number of different plugins would do like for example the whole portal plug in that a lot of rap producers love to use most of those affect racks within portal. are made up of multiple different kinds of audio manipulation whether it's from distortion to EQ modulation. to ring modding and Etcetera it's mostly in conjunction with other Plugin tools. But that's the really amazing thing about knowing how to sound design yourself, is that when you come up with the sound, and as you get good, and you learn how to. to start a patch with good harmonic. and you learn how to further emphasize. the best qualities in that sound are know when the take away from the best qualities in that sound to add to the overall sound. It really does show you. that we are nowhere near the limits. of making new sounds. now Yes, a lot of other producers. songs where you might hear similar sounds nine times out of 10. That's because they're not making the sounds from scratch themselves. Because a lot of base producers are starting to take the route. as beat makers. where they basically just buy sample packs. So I feel like it gives a skewed perception. to the industry's meta. because if all those producers were making sounds from scratch like back in the day when we. didn't have sample packs. for sound banks easily available. We would be hearing the progression and sound design at a 10 full. But right now the craft is starting to become consolidated into a smaller number. of creators and I get it. People want to make music now and add a high level as fast as possible But what sound designing and also mixing and mastering there is no shortcut to success when they say you have to put in 10 years they're not lying. You have to put in 10 years before you become close enough to achieve your inspirations. sound design quality but you'll never actually sound like them. You will end up sounding like yourself because as I stated earlier it's impossible to create a one-to-one. recreation of someone else's sound. Also even if you use effect preset, like any of the fl studio stock. presets for, let's say, like. their maximus or Those aren't royalty free either. And those presets are copyrighted as well. The only way you can own any of your digital content is if you. met it all from scratch yourself. Or if someone gives you ownership of them. and I don't mean the prattle about this, but I drink a bunch of coffee today, so I feel like I'm more of a chatterbox right now. lmao
There’s a Taco Bell commercial that uses one of the gold school samples from splice as the main melody. Not sure it still airs but noticed this like a few months ago.
I have never used splice before so I don't really have a dog in this conversation. But, with that being said, It just seems like it's better to just avoid splice altogether to avoid any possible complications.
It’s crazy. You can do this but you can’t do that Just be careful on how you use things He’s a vcr but you can’t record tv shows and rebroadcast them. He is a cassette you record your own copies of music you bought but you can’t sell them. Here’s a dvd player / recorder but can’t resell the movies you own. It’s always been like that when technology advances it comes with small print
@@DJPain1 I know it’s basically the same for repackaged samples You can use the sample but you can’t repackage it and call it original. Don’t mean crazy like outlandish meaning it’s unbelievable what people think is actually ok or legal
Splice put a copyright strike on that video you’re reviewing. If they don’t strike your video then that proves her point that they are being petty with her.
@@DJPain1 I feel your energy here, which is like: "whatever bro the video is up" , almost as if you don't even believe it was ever taken down even though she made a video about the takedown. Pain, she is a LAWYER. Had she not been a lawyer and have litigation and injunction experience then she'd be in a bad spot. The point is: screw Splice and all companies that file malicious strikes against creators. Be safe though, in my Taxstone voice.
@@kidkanteno, my energy is seeing that her video is up, having a back channel conversation with her and not forming an opinion yet and expressing it publicly.
I’ll never use anything everyone else is using. Sample packs vise. Makes everyone sound the same. Plus it’s a certain sense of pride digging. And tricking out your own sounds!!!
I appreciate you sharing the info! I did a follow up on Splice last Wednesday because they sent me a cease and desist related to this terms of service video. In my follow up video, I explained the situation, and provided new updates that Splice shared with me personally. I showed an example of their Certified License (which they also show on their RUclips channel), and in response, they filed a copyright strike on my channel. I explain the whole situation here (but the second video is still down due to the false copyright claim), which i am currently fighting. It's a pretty crazy situation! ruclips.net/video/U1iDB05vNYY/видео.htmlsi=Tkq61hXOqZu-Sem7
Using a sample so plainly that it can be flagged by RUclips is the problem. Not Splice or RUclips. Be original with your sample manipulation and you’re fine. Be lazy and you’re susceptible.
@@Noltababy No. If somebody pays for a sample I made, they can use it in a beat however they want. If RUclips prevents this and supersedes my terms as the copyright owner and the users rights as the legal licensee, that’s the only problem.
Never used splice and never will but don’t judge who used it but producers should think obviously there’s no such FREE thing in music specially when you have a company who give them to ya I had a splice warning on RUclips video for a sample a used from them until I realized the producer put some of the loops from the slice pack in another kit
Don’t forget, Splice can change their terms of service whenever they are in the mood to do so. You can never be sure that they will claim all your tracks with a simple change of some words. Use your own samples or use royalty free sample packs and do not help this shady company to build a monopoly in the sample market. They have phrased the terms of service in a confusing way with a certain purpose, otherwise they would have just phrased it simple and clearly understandable.
@@DJPain1 Do you really believe everyone will always read the whole terms of service with every update? Splice knows most people won’t. You have to trust them while they already acted untrustworthy. I won‘t touch their stuff, because in the end it’s not worth the problems they can make you if they want to, just by false DMCA strikes.
@@myautobiographyafanfic1413 if only I had thought of this, genius advice for a complex and nuanced intellectual property law concern that has been ongoing for decades.
No, but actually. There's no reason to use other people's samples. You could end up with a Splice situation, sure. But, also imagine being the kind of person who uses (or even pays for) "sample packs". Free or not, you're the product. Whether personal information, or a click funnel.
ANYTHING that is free when it comes to music, I always assume will not be free once money starts rolling in That means you should manipulate every sound in your song to make sure you are good IF someone comes looking for money. If they can't prove without a doubt it's the same sample, they will have a fight to prove it, and a lot won't go that far
Is no one pitching and chopping up samples? Or are people actually just raw dogging loops? I'm not scared of copyright-I trust Splice for now-but I don't want to sound like another song. For that reason, I'm doing the bare minimum, which is chopping and rearranging. Come on, guys!
The big issue with youtube (and other streaming platforms content ID system) is that we've seen a huge explosion is content ID scams. Scammers while wholesale take a song or parts of it and upload it to platforms (usually via chinese or indian equivelants of distrokid) and then make claims for the songs they've stolen. And due to the slow nature of copyright disputes, they will essentially hold artists stream revenues hostage untill the dispute is settled. Here's an recent example of exactly that happening to the youtuber and musican, Ola Englund. ruclips.net/video/020dKoNzLAs/видео.html For bigger artists and more seasoned artists, this is usualy not a big deal as they have people or channels they can go through and settle disputes like this very quickly. But for artists just starting out, young, naive and inexperienced, getting a copyright claim on a song or mutliple is a scary thing, especially considering RUclipss 3 strike copyright rules. Alot of artistst will just buckle under the threat of having their entire channel taken down and give in to the scammers who hold their songs essentially hostage, then the scammers get the stream revenue for the period of the copyright dispute and the artist will usually take the song down from their channel. With splice samples, loops and oneshots, scammers can just run content ID checks and claim songs that doesnt even sound alike, but just because of 1 sound, they can lay claim to those songs through content ID. Personally, I've never used Spilce or sites like it, not do I use melody loops or chord loops, but I have used samples in songs of mine. I've used sample libraries for kontakt and I use drumloops frequently and I am becoming more and more vary of this as I see more and more people get themselves into situations like outlined above.
Sounds should be FREE but I can understand that if a loop is an integral part of a song and that song makes lots of money, then the creator deserves a small cut. The simple solution is to re create a similar loop and use that instead.
We don’t need no damn splice no more. You could generate and sound any sound effect and one shot with eleven labs for $5 a month and never have to fear no legal issue! I created like 30 drunkits in 2 days! You don’t gotta pay nobody no more for drums, one shots loops, you could generate clean choirs..ai is our new sound designers! We got personal sound designers for $5 a month! Land a placement you ain’t gotta worry about splitting with a soul! U get 100% of everything
@@DJPain1Actually, it can and does. I'd still rather rely on the real thing, but AI is especially great for adding track layers. Just use the Rip-X DAW or something similar to strip-out unwanted tracks, artifacts and notes.
Original full video: ruclips.net/video/TrpF7_l8dwE/видео.htmlsi=iUe7YLT2srnkggVy
"Scaring people into not doing things that they're legally allowed to do. "That's a statement bigger than just music.
It’s something the producer community loves doing though
It also applies to generative AI however, and that’s the elephant in the room for the current music industry. It’s the biggest elephant in the biggest room. The issue is that both samples and ai are misused by bad actors all the time. Tech doesn’t change a lack of morality, and it doesn’t make a moral person less moral, it just means more power requires more responsibility to use the resources morally.
If I used a splice sample and I do from time to time.
I would gladly share credit with the sample creator.
I mean why not build that relationship.
@@pwho405 they’d appreciate it I’m sure
True. It's crazy how greed overpowers everything sometimes. As creators everyone should see themselves in another fellow creator. Honor is rare unfortunately.
I watched this a while ago but really appreciate the breakdown from a producer's perspective. Mad respect.
Great analysis. Thanks Pain
I've been using Splice for 5 odd years, sometimes In the past I didn't even chop or pitch it and would still use it, and I've not had one problem the whole time.
I've used loops and then heard other producers using and uploading works with the same loops.
I personally wouldn't edit and modify their sounds and try to sell them as my own though, yeah you can maybe get away with it, but like any criminal, for how long?
It clearly states "In isolation as a sound effect", or as source material for any other form of sample (Even if you modify the sound)
You cannot sublicense in a manner of competitiveness, sublicense cannot be ____ "TO A THIRD PARTY" EXCEPT incorporated into a new recording or creative work.
Redistribute sounds in sample packs, the whole section contradicts itself. Idk I don't have trouble with licenses and contracts and never have.
I know plenty of people and have seen plenty who do that with Splice or another producers stuff, what people forget, and a good analogy for it, would be the Spinz 808.
How many are there? It was one, whether the producer allowed for it to be repurposed or not idk, but how many Spinz are there now?
People think if I "Modulate" and tweak it enough, I can sell their sound in my own pack.
Anyone doing it sits in a grey area imo, look at all the problems, and ways people get sued, like by estates and all sorts.
Clearly people don't know TAC's properly.
I don’t even think it’s grey area. But I’m not a lawyer
@@DJPain1 Yeah, that's why I said in my opinion, the terminology of it. It's like they're in a grey area, like Splice saying what it says, but someone out there is flipping and reselling some stuff.
Thank you Pain for this, seriously.
I use to use it but try and chop it up as much as possible they have some good drum sounds. I mostly use it for trap because am a 80s baby and that boom bap just comes out of me so i try to mix it. Thanks for always sharing information pain salute 🫡
I was looking for this comment! lol poeple out here sounding like everyone else raw dogging loops.
Came here after i created an insane Stack on Splice just messing around thumbing thru sounds.
that’s crazy the terms have been and will continue to be there but someone like her made them easy for us to understand 🔥😯
She took down the video because splice came after her with a copyright strike, just for showing the licensing, something they don’t want us to know of?
@@theplugrecuiter_4155 the video is here: ruclips.net/video/TrpF7_l8dwE/видео.htmlsi=iUe7YLT2srnkggVy
Yeah, she did. That was crazy for them to come after her like that. Be careful Bro.
ruclips.net/video/U1iDB05vNYY/видео.htmlsi=VtS2uEhPS2DMaMJB
Looks like youtube removed the video but, they may have came to an agreement to keep it up. m.ruclips.net/video/U1iDB05vNYY/видео.html
RUclips took it down, not her. Fake DCMA copyright strike.
I use splice samples and so far I haven't had any issues. I feel blessed! 🙏🏼
This is why I only use one shot drums and percussion off of Splice
What I’ve learned about using premade loops in sync is that, yes, legally we are allowed to do so. But at some point by doing so, you are opening yourself and your sync library to potential copyright disputes. This is seen as u favorable because now the library has to deal with legal stuff, even if you’re in the right. So it’s advised to not use loops to make sure that your relationship with the library try is as streamlined and worry free as possible.
Other sources may vary on how they depict this, but this is what I’ve learned from my source.
My big concern right now is that someone from Distributed Creation Inc. has decided to issue an unwarranted copyright infringement claim on the video of subject. That doesn't sit well with me.
@ 13:03 - wondering the same thing, that's a question I'd love to know the clear answer to as well
You mention them adding a royalty split under certain terms. How does that work with splices royalty free concept? With splice making it relativly clear that the samples you download are royalty free, how would they circumvent splices contract with the producer, legally?
@@WillieTheAutomaton that’s separate from splice. Splice is royalty free. If you release your samples packs on your own site, which they do, you can set any terms you want
Make your own music from scratch is the better option.
I dunno all this seems like the fault of RUclips's stupid content ID system more than anything... Splice for the most part is fine.
@@corneliusrawness I agree
If you have a Splice Account, You now own anything in splice you pay for and are legally allowed to use dont forget that
@@HennyBoyZoo 😂😂😂
“Probably you can get away with a lot of crimes” had me cackling
What about arcade or their terms and services about the same.
So when would it be wise to use content id if at all possible
would a work around for the remix situation be that the remix producer just download the same splice samples? if they even need any original elements.
FL Cloud is turning into a monster, i wish Pain was FL Gang so we could hear commentary on it 😂
@@broussardbeats you’ll hear my sounds on it though 😉
@@DJPain1 That's a good look, im seeing some big names with sound packs on there
I haven't updated yet. The cloud is worth it though?
@@justwannalivefree7034absolutely
In tv film sync licensing, it's a BIG NO. They're also going after tracks with very distinguished percussion loops from Splice.
@@itsrelativ3967 they’re in commercials all the time. I’ve used them. I’m spotted them.
That's funny because i just started following her a week or 2 ago
As an "old head" producer, I've used Splice but only to get a feel for what the current trends are because it shifts a lot. But, personally, I have never used it for any client work.
@@maysonstorm4956 but you COULd
I only get one shot drum samples from splice and even that I notice that a lot of sounds sound the same but with FX.
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Whats the summary? Can they take from us or not? I remember before there was a case of producer 'Sarz' claiming back rights after something from his pack was used on a big record
It's a 15 minute video bro it's already a summary lol. But the general conclusion of the video is that producers can safely use Splice for beats etc as long as they understand that it's a license to use the Splice sound, not ownership over it (in other words you can't then sell the same sound in your own sample pack or transfer the license, etc)
@@rickycannons9022 maybe just stick to tiktok
That’s the only reason I don’t use Splice. Content ID on RUclips is bytch. 😡
Do these samples have side effects? 😮
Not only splise, but samples in general. Especially free sample packs are BIG legal issue for musicians and producers!
@@OrbitalVibes splice isn’t a big legal issue, that’s the point of this video
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@@مًْسًْيًْلًْمًْة-خ9ش 🙏🏽
Word I need to know because I got some bangers made with em
What if you manipulate the Splice Sound so it's not the original? What would happen in a situation like that?
Thank you so much!
It’s still their intellectual property. It’s like renting a car and modifying it. You’re not supposed to do that and it doesn’t automatically grant an ownership transfer
@@DJPain1 thank you thank you. Knowledge is POWER🤙🏿
Yes, bro, you are not allowed to take someone else's sample. and then create. a new sound. using that sample. And so as your own original sample, because in order for you to get to that end result for that sample. that you have just created using another person's sample. would not exist at that other person not create that sound. And this is one thing that a lot of rap producers don't really understand. But I get it. It's because they're not sound designers. So they want to know this knowledge because this is stuff that only like a real nerd would know is that you cannot recreate someone's son sound one to one. as an original you can get close but you're not going to recreate it exactly the same. What sound design there's just too many different combinations. for someone to take all those exact same steps as you did. in order to achieve your sound which is why we have things like signature sounds and a bunch of other producers. slash sound designers spin. a very long time trying to figure out. how to remake those sounds and normally when someone comes out with this signature sound if the designer actually is capable of creating narrow style bases our neural style sounds it takes at least a decade for the general public to figure out. how to get close to a similar result and 9 times out of 10 that discovery of how to achieve that raw signature sound is mostly heavy lifted by some new plugin. that basically acts in a similar manner to what a number of different plugins would do like for example the whole portal plug in that a lot of rap producers love to use most of those affect racks within portal. are made up of multiple different kinds of audio manipulation whether it's from distortion to EQ modulation. to ring modding and Etcetera it's mostly in conjunction with other Plugin tools. But that's the really amazing thing about knowing how to sound design yourself, is that when you come up with the sound, and as you get good, and you learn how to. to start a patch with good harmonic. and you learn how to further emphasize. the best qualities in that sound are know when the take away from the best qualities in that sound to add to the overall sound. It really does show you. that we are nowhere near the limits. of making new sounds. now Yes, a lot of other producers. songs where you might hear similar sounds nine times out of 10. That's because they're not making the sounds from scratch themselves. Because a lot of base producers are starting to take the route. as beat makers. where they basically just buy sample packs. So I feel like it gives a skewed perception. to the industry's meta. because if all those producers were making sounds from scratch like back in the day when we. didn't have sample packs. for sound banks easily available. We would be hearing the progression and sound design at a 10 full. But right now the craft is starting to become consolidated into a smaller number. of creators and I get it. People want to make music now and add a high level as fast as possible But what sound designing and also mixing and mastering there is no shortcut to success when they say you have to put in 10 years they're not lying. You have to put in 10 years before you become close enough to achieve your inspirations. sound design quality but you'll never actually sound like them. You will end up sounding like yourself because as I stated earlier it's impossible to create a one-to-one. recreation of someone else's sound. Also even if you use effect preset, like any of the fl studio stock. presets for, let's say, like. their maximus or Those aren't royalty free either. And those presets are copyrighted as well. The only way you can own any of your digital content is if you. met it all from scratch yourself. Or if someone gives you ownership of them. and I don't mean the prattle about this, but I drink a bunch of coffee today, so I feel like I'm more of a chatterbox right now. lmao
There’s a Taco Bell commercial that uses one of the gold school samples from splice as the main melody. Not sure it still airs but noticed this like a few months ago.
@@farraribeats wish it were mine
This wouldn't be a problem if beatmakers learned to play instruments. Why would you want to use the same sounds thousands of other people are using. 🙄
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I have never used splice before so I don't really have a dog in this conversation. But, with that being said, It just seems like it's better to just avoid splice altogether to avoid any possible complications.
@@Alchemyst_Prime it’s better to avoid publishing music altogether to avoid complications.
DJ Pain - What if you replay the sample in a different Key and Tempo?
@@CatchTheWave-X infringement. Reproduction is always infringement
It’s crazy. You can do this but you can’t do that Just be careful on how you use things He’s a vcr but you can’t record tv shows and rebroadcast them. He is a cassette you record your own copies of music you bought but you can’t sell them. Here’s a dvd player / recorder but can’t resell the movies you own. It’s always been like that when technology advances it comes with small print
Correct
@@312dasbkilla not being able to rebroadcast tv shows isn’t that crazy… actually none of this is crazy… like at all
@@DJPain1 I know it’s basically the same for repackaged samples You can use the sample but you can’t repackage it and call it original. Don’t mean crazy like outlandish meaning it’s unbelievable what people think is actually ok or legal
Ayo I definitely heard a trippie redd track with a loop straight from Splice😂. I literally have the loop in my library
@@devincrenshaw4865 yeah it happens all the time
Splice put a copyright strike on that video you’re reviewing. If they don’t strike your video then that proves her point that they are being petty with her.
Her video is up so who knows
@@DJPain1 I feel your energy here, which is like: "whatever bro the video is up" , almost as if you don't even believe it was ever taken down even though she made a video about the takedown. Pain, she is a LAWYER. Had she not been a lawyer and have litigation and injunction experience then she'd be in a bad spot. The point is: screw Splice and all companies that file malicious strikes against creators. Be safe though, in my Taxstone voice.
@@kidkanteno, my energy is seeing that her video is up, having a back channel conversation with her and not forming an opinion yet and expressing it publicly.
@@DJPain1 Gotcha. I look forward to your comments on that conversation if you choose to share them in a video.
What's going on is that if someone makes a hit before you with the same sample your fucked..
@@christianbarraza5522 pardon?
Don't use the sample raw; that's a rookie mistake.
I’ll never use anything everyone else is using. Sample packs vise. Makes everyone sound the same. Plus it’s a certain sense of pride digging. And tricking out your own sounds!!!
You don't use mpcs or a daw?
@@DJPain1 LOL no, I don't want to sound the same as everybody
I appreciate you sharing the info! I did a follow up on Splice last Wednesday because they sent me a cease and desist related to this terms of service video. In my follow up video, I explained the situation, and provided new updates that Splice shared with me personally. I showed an example of their Certified License (which they also show on their RUclips channel), and in response, they filed a copyright strike on my channel. I explain the whole situation here (but the second video is still down due to the false copyright claim), which i am currently fighting. It's a pretty crazy situation! ruclips.net/video/U1iDB05vNYY/видео.htmlsi=Tkq61hXOqZu-Sem7
@@TopMusicAttorney they have no legal grounds for that and they made this mistake with the wrong person, you’ll win in the end.
Using a sample so plainly that it can be flagged by RUclips is the problem. Not Splice or RUclips. Be original with your sample manipulation and you’re fine. Be lazy and you’re susceptible.
@@Noltababy No. If somebody pays for a sample I made, they can use it in a beat however they want. If RUclips prevents this and supersedes my terms as the copyright owner and the users rights as the legal licensee, that’s the only problem.
Never used splice and never will but don’t judge who used it but producers should think obviously there’s no such FREE thing in music specially when you have a company who give them to ya I had a splice warning on RUclips video for a sample a used from them until I realized the producer put some of the loops from the slice pack in another kit
@@uzadegotone splice isn’t free, I have no idea why this weird narrative keeps coming up
Don’t forget, Splice can change their terms of service whenever they are in the mood to do so. You can never be sure that they will claim all your tracks with a simple change of some words. Use your own samples or use royalty free sample packs and do not help this shady company to build a monopoly in the sample market. They have phrased the terms of service in a confusing way with a certain purpose, otherwise they would have just phrased it simple and clearly understandable.
That only changes subsequent downloads though
@@DJPain1 Do you really believe everyone will always read the whole terms of service with every update? Splice knows most people won’t. You have to trust them while they already acted untrustworthy. I won‘t touch their stuff, because in the end it’s not worth the problems they can make you if they want to, just by false DMCA strikes.
@@Warpraum what did they do specifically that was untrustworthy and had legal consequences? I’m not aware of anything
tl;dr.
are they?
@@LeGaLdeadparliament 🤷🏽
Okay, I don't own the sounds. So what, I am using them.
Right
Dude tons of hits if not all of them nowadays have samples on them from Splice lol
@@jesseurena5153 tons
splice is a joke to me
@@ApexBeatsArchive kool
Make your own samples. Simple.
@@myautobiographyafanfic1413 if only I had thought of this, genius advice for a complex and nuanced intellectual property law concern that has been ongoing for decades.
No, but actually. There's no reason to use other people's samples. You could end up with a Splice situation, sure. But, also imagine being the kind of person who uses (or even pays for) "sample packs". Free or not, you're the product. Whether personal information, or a click funnel.
No you cannot use a sample it’s copyrighted
@@roymoxley2587 brilliant
hope they flag all the splice users for copywrite infringement
@@ned_interrobang embarrassing
Why?
ANYTHING that is free when it comes to music, I always assume will not be free once money starts rolling in
That means you should manipulate every sound in your song to make sure you are good IF someone comes looking for money. If they can't prove without a doubt it's the same sample, they will have a fight to prove it, and a lot won't go that far
@@RealDealy splice isn’t free; it’s a paid subscription with clear terms. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
@@DJPain1 Damn, my bad! I was thinking they allowed you to use free sounds
Is no one pitching and chopping up samples? Or are people actually just raw dogging loops? I'm not scared of copyright-I trust Splice for now-but I don't want to sound like another song. For that reason, I'm doing the bare minimum, which is chopping and rearranging. Come on, guys!
not the point at all, this is a legal conversation
The big issue with youtube (and other streaming platforms content ID system) is that we've seen a huge explosion is content ID scams. Scammers while wholesale take a song or parts of it and upload it to platforms (usually via chinese or indian equivelants of distrokid) and then make claims for the songs they've stolen. And due to the slow nature of copyright disputes, they will essentially hold artists stream revenues hostage untill the dispute is settled.
Here's an recent example of exactly that happening to the youtuber and musican, Ola Englund.
ruclips.net/video/020dKoNzLAs/видео.html
For bigger artists and more seasoned artists, this is usualy not a big deal as they have people or channels they can go through and settle disputes like this very quickly. But for artists just starting out, young, naive and inexperienced, getting a copyright claim on a song or mutliple is a scary thing, especially considering RUclipss 3 strike copyright rules. Alot of artistst will just buckle under the threat of having their entire channel taken down and give in to the scammers who hold their songs essentially hostage, then the scammers get the stream revenue for the period of the copyright dispute and the artist will usually take the song down from their channel.
With splice samples, loops and oneshots, scammers can just run content ID checks and claim songs that doesnt even sound alike, but just because of 1 sound, they can lay claim to those songs through content ID.
Personally, I've never used Spilce or sites like it, not do I use melody loops or chord loops, but I have used samples in songs of mine. I've used sample libraries for kontakt and I use drumloops frequently and I am becoming more and more vary of this as I see more and more people get themselves into situations like outlined above.
Sounds should be FREE but I can understand that if a loop is an integral part of a song and that song makes lots of money, then the creator deserves a small cut. The simple solution is to re create a similar loop and use that instead.
@@markhalpin9711 why should sounds be free?
We don’t need no damn splice no more. You could generate and sound any sound effect and one shot with eleven labs for $5 a month and never have to fear no legal issue! I created like 30 drunkits in 2 days! You don’t gotta pay nobody no more for drums, one shots loops, you could generate clean choirs..ai is our new sound designers! We got personal sound designers for $5 a month! Land a placement you ain’t gotta worry about splitting with a soul! U get 100% of everything
That AI can generate hooks and guitar riffs and hand-played percussion?
@@DJPain1Actually, it can and does. I'd still rather rely on the real thing, but AI is especially great for adding track layers.
Just use the Rip-X DAW or something similar to strip-out unwanted tracks, artifacts and notes.
@@DJPain1 hell yea! Idk about hooks but guitar riffs and super realistic sounding percussion 🥁 yes!