tl;dr the furry community, especially the part of it that does conventions, has a blacklist of people, fetishes, etc that just aren't allowed because they do shit like this Rainfurrest promised to be open to everyone. This was the result.
@@jonathanzentelin2815 "furry hunters" when they get put in an insane asylum instead of being being held up by a crowd of people and called a sigma after they murdered 16 people in a furry con and used "but furry bad and I sigma!!" as an excuse
LOL, I love how reacts to this is always "Damn someone is setting them up!" right up until the gloryhole part and its like "I know some furries, that probably happened." Gets my every time
I mean, according to some sources although there were no direct saboteurs... the hotel staff apperantley did look the other way when other guests broke some stuff a couple of times, and then just blamed it on the attendants of Rainfurrest.
There were though. It was a public event and all the hate letters and sabotaging that was done makes zero sense if it was done by a genuine attendee. It would be much more likely than an anti-furry group infiltrated the organization and broke it down from the inside. If they wore the costumes, it wouldn't be as if you could recognize if they were true furries or not, you wouldn't even be able to tell regardless.
I kinda think there where, just like that time at my local furfest. A furry hater unleashed a Chlorine gas grenade. Luckly no one got hurt and they arrested the dude who did it. It's also not uncommon for people to attend convention to break stuff because of the same hate, not just in rainfurrest.
1:01 "he has no rules, no boundaries, he doesn't flinch at torture, human trafficking, or genocide. He's not loyal to a flag or a country or any set of ideals."
As member of the community myself, the simple truth is that just about every group or fandom has some (often very vocal) elements you really wish weren't part of said group/fandom. Unfortunately that goes doubly for furries. There's a lotta good people that dedicate a lot of their time to charity causes or help others to feel accepted and okay with their identity, but on the flipside leaving the door open and trying to be as inclusive as possible also means you get a buncha immoral and messed up people who use their fame or infamy for nothing but bs. Fandom's always had a fight with itself over reputation cause no matter how many good deeds are done here and there, all it takes is one mess to go viral and any progress on trying to show others that it's just a hobby and group that shelters many people who are trying to find themselves, regardless of ethnicity, religion, identity or sexuality is lost.
There were only a small handful of people causing all the mess sadly. This con didn't bother with ban lists this time so that probably didn't help either. Each year there are like 20-25 Furcons without huge issues like this one had. Rainfurrest itself went for 9 years before this was the last.
From what I’ve heard from furries the fursuits are decently comfortable, quite a few compare it to being sort of like full body pajamas. Of course some designs are far less comfortable than others and all of them tend to be very uncomfortable to wear during hot weather. As for the smell I’ve been told it’s really not much different from most other conventions where you’ll absolutely come across people who could really do with some deodorant. Quick side note for anyone wondering what a fur suit costs, they go for anywhere from about $800-$5000 sometimes even more.
5:10 Oh no, it doesn't have to be that at all. I have friends that work at the Toronto convention center and the surrounding hotels. After every major event where the attendees aren't all professionals or doctors or something they have to do the rounds. The rounds consist of looking for all the locks and power outlets filled with crazy glue, replace all the stolen/broken light bulbs, inspect the pool for feces, all manner of destruction for destructions sake.
This convention was such a disaster that the hotel barred ALL fan conventions from ever using their space ever again. Only serious business conferences are allowed there anymore.
2:14 so most furries don't own a fursuit bc they're crazy expensive because of their extreme difficulty to make, but as far as I've heard it's not too different to working at disneyland in a costume, it's warm, sweaty, uncomfortable and you don't want to just take off the suit bc you'd be breaking the magic, and since often there are kids at events with furries you don't want to traumatize them. Edit: also yea it does stink once you're done but at furry conventions there are usually rooms for fursuiters that are cooled and have water for them so they can take a break and not die from a heatstroke
When you get a bunch of people wearing masks together, unless you have a robust security plan its gonna end up like an internet comment board: nonvocal majority who are decent, very vocal minority who are terrible.
Due to these types I have kind of stopped calling myself a furry. I love the actual non fetish art and the idea of anthro races. But the community loves to ruin it and make it look like nothing but a fetish
Ngl this video actually did a lot of damage to furry community as a whole and didn't mention that the whole reason ALL of this happened is that the ppl who where hosting the con let EVERYONE in No blacklist for guests that are VERY known for all this crap they did in the vid No blacklist for fetishes that are usually are not allowed in any other fur cons No attention and control over situations whatsoever I still want to attend to furcons to meet my friends, talk to fav artists and buy stuff they do but it's usually expensive Also the best furcon to attend is MMF and it's also biggest and most controlled and safe one
As someone who was active in the furry community at the time of RainFurrest, people were PISSED. RainFurrest wasn't like DashCon where it was one event. RF had been going since 2007 and was one of the biggest furry conventions. This one bad year killed a 9 year convention. This is in stark contrast with other big furry conventions like AnthroCon and Furry Weekend Atlanta where they local businesses welcome furries with open arms. There absolutely was some sabotage going on there. And no, I've never worn a fursuit. I've been told it's like wearing an entire couch while also inside an oven, though.
I've been a furry in the art-community for about 12 years and I know for a fact that most of the conventions taking place around the world happen without major hiccups, and that a majority of furries are normal functioning human beings that know how to behave around others, but from the few horror stories I've heard from events like Rainfurrest I don't think I would ever dare to attend one myself.
I mean they threw a party with the craziest people they could find. That creates, you guessed it, a particularly crazy party. Welcome to any major collage party anywhere in the nation. One of them just happened to be furry themed, and everyone suddenly lost their minds.
I usually go the rule of thumb that anywhere from 1% to 5% of a given community is responsible for half of the WTF is wrong with you moments. Odds are 1-5 out of a hundred were causing most of the problems. With that said, some of the most epic what-is-wrong-with-you stories I’ve heard, including D&D horror stories, involve furries.
To be completely honest furries are scary, just look at the ratio of cultured games that are furry based, they are a shockingly large amount, they are very well funded and the often have multiple questionable tags in it.
Every group has their bad apples, it seems to a par that it could be almost taken in the literal sense here. Few Furries own suits, fewer attend those conventions, the later part mostly connected to the same reason other conventions only get a fraction of the potential targeted audience to go to them, while the former matter is a thing mixed between financial viability and or personal preference of just not wanting to have one. I count towards the later part, rather using my funding to go towards a full set of far more glorious medieval armor. In the end, this convention has been one of many thorns in our eyes, which is odd to say given few of us think of the fandom as a united collective for a great many reasons. My personal assumption to this could very well be yours, of the idea that some of the fandom simply seek to sabotage the others for personal joy, there is no fandom or community I am aware of that lacks such indivduals. Or, and that has been my long term assumption, it was active saboteurs that actually went to the con out of a disdain for the fandom, given Furries have far from few enemies even today, even less speaking about back then when the anti furry section of the web was not just a collective of early edgy teenagers and neckbeards that would collapse without their daily anime girl intake.
In the wise words of a random video I once saw: “Don’t make fun of the furry community. If they can afford a 2,000 dollar fur suit, then they can afford a 10 dollar pipe bomb in my mailbox.”
nah it's a stereotype, just like people get anime figures worth thousands and super expensive pc's the same thing happens with furries, when you obsess over something so much you will just put a lot of money into it, but there's a lot of super poor furries
@@mrminecraftcubeable It's very real. I'm close to this circle, and by close I mean I used to draw as a hobby myself (not good enough as a job prospect but joined the community during my school years, met my current close friends there,) and still have friends doing commissioned arts. Furries are really willing to pay more, especially for 18+ stuff.
@@mrminecraftcubeable Sorry, I understand your point now that I'm more awake (it's still morning here.) But yeah, they're not wealthy in general, though if I have to rephrase I'd say rich people commissioning for illustrations are more often than not furries from what I see.
You would think the hardest thing about wearing a fursuit is the head, making it more difficult to breathe, but they're actually fairly breathable. From what I understand, the toughest thing is trying to stay cool. If it's a convention happening during a cool part of the year in a colder climate, it's easier to make it work, but if it's anywhere south of Canada and west of Kansas happening any time from between April to September, you're probably suffering. Yes, people get very sweaty.
Ok! Anyone who's a furry, favorite fictional species? Mine BY FAR are Acradors by the artist Mindmachine. I think Jack would like their military technology. Irellian Republiv Soldiers are cool AF and so do the Rohai Empire's infantry Jack, if you read this and take a look at the SFW art Mindmachine does (or NSFW, do as you desire!) let us know what you think!
Why this idiots didn't put a black list,my friend and i saw a guy there who was ban before for touching minors! It was completely stupid this guy didn't put a black list and no the fursuits aren't going to hide them,ID or name is required if you are found in the black list you can't enter this guys didn't have that
I wasn't a furry yet when this happened.. I think, don't exactly remember when I officially became one. But when I became one and saw this video.. or some other, it was really bad, am glad things are better now.
So as a furry, are you the kind that just likes dressing up like another animal or are you the kind that looks at a German shepherd and goes "I could really go for some p*ssy right about now"?
The thing you mentioned about it being an expensive hobby, that's honestly why I want to make and sell the suits someday because, while it looks like absolute hell for someone like me with little to no patience for it, the money looks worth it 😆 Even more so if it'll give me an excuse to experiment with using mechanical effects and LEDs in them. Rainfurrest though... this is what happens when you make something for a community as wild as furries and give them no rules, nor use a blacklist.
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tl;dr the furry community, especially the part of it that does conventions, has a blacklist of people, fetishes, etc that just aren't allowed because they do shit like this
Rainfurrest promised to be open to everyone. This was the result.
the furries need to be blacklisted all together
Main reason Rainfurrest was so bad, they didn’t enforce a blacklist. Most conventions have a list of furries to exclude because they break shit.
Yeah crap like that is why I would never try to put one on.
@@jonathanzentelin2815 "furry hunters" when they get put in an insane asylum instead of being being held up by a crowd of people and called a sigma after they murdered 16 people in a furry con and used "but furry bad and I sigma!!" as an excuse
LOL, I love how reacts to this is always "Damn someone is setting them up!" right up until the gloryhole part and its like "I know some furries, that probably happened." Gets my every time
I love how jacks faith in humanity made him wanna believe that there were saboteurs hiding among the furries.
I mean, according to some sources although there were no direct saboteurs... the hotel staff apperantley did look the other way when other guests broke some stuff a couple of times, and then just blamed it on the attendants of Rainfurrest.
Do not petty for this mutants and heretics brother
@@TheJeSTeR7530i mean, can you blame them?
There were though. It was a public event and all the hate letters and sabotaging that was done makes zero sense if it was done by a genuine attendee. It would be much more likely than an anti-furry group infiltrated the organization and broke it down from the inside. If they wore the costumes, it wouldn't be as if you could recognize if they were true furries or not, you wouldn't even be able to tell regardless.
I kinda think there where, just like that time at my local furfest. A furry hater unleashed a Chlorine gas grenade. Luckly no one got hurt and they arrested the dude who did it. It's also not uncommon for people to attend convention to break stuff because of the same hate, not just in rainfurrest.
1:01
"he has no rules, no boundaries, he doesn't flinch at torture, human trafficking, or genocide. He's not loyal to a flag or a country or any set of ideals."
Rainfurrest is the perfect proof of what happens when you make a party with the wildest people in one place
"Wildest" Nice
I'm all for it bc I get to laugh at it after the fact.
I don’t get the joke. Explain the joke, so that I’ll get the joke.
Kept walking on the wiiiild siiiide
I don't wanna fall asleep throughout my liiiife
@@rendawtherockstar Blacklisted people not being blacklisted.
0:57 Love how the cat slowly comes to realise
As member of the community myself, the simple truth is that just about every group or fandom has some (often very vocal) elements you really wish weren't part of said group/fandom.
Unfortunately that goes doubly for furries.
There's a lotta good people that dedicate a lot of their time to charity causes or help others to feel accepted and okay with their identity, but on the flipside leaving the door open and trying to be as inclusive as possible also means you get a buncha immoral and messed up people who use their fame or infamy for nothing but bs.
Fandom's always had a fight with itself over reputation cause no matter how many good deeds are done here and there, all it takes is one mess to go viral and any progress on trying to show others that it's just a hobby and group that shelters many people who are trying to find themselves, regardless of ethnicity, religion, identity or sexuality is lost.
You should know that when it comes to furries, money is NEVER the issue.
There were only a small handful of people causing all the mess sadly. This con didn't bother with ban lists this time so that probably didn't help either. Each year there are like 20-25 Furcons without huge issues like this one had. Rainfurrest itself went for 9 years before this was the last.
From what I’ve heard from furries the fursuits are decently comfortable, quite a few compare it to being sort of like full body pajamas. Of course some designs are far less comfortable than others and all of them tend to be very uncomfortable to wear during hot weather. As for the smell I’ve been told it’s really not much different from most other conventions where you’ll absolutely come across people who could really do with some deodorant. Quick side note for anyone wondering what a fur suit costs, they go for anywhere from about $800-$5000 sometimes even more.
5:10 Oh no, it doesn't have to be that at all. I have friends that work at the Toronto convention center and the surrounding hotels. After every major event where the attendees aren't all professionals or doctors or something they have to do the rounds. The rounds consist of looking for all the locks and power outlets filled with crazy glue, replace all the stolen/broken light bulbs, inspect the pool for feces, all manner of destruction for destructions sake.
This convention was such a disaster that the hotel barred ALL fan conventions from ever using their space ever again. Only serious business conferences are allowed there anymore.
2:14 so most furries don't own a fursuit bc they're crazy expensive because of their extreme difficulty to make, but as far as I've heard it's not too different to working at disneyland in a costume, it's warm, sweaty, uncomfortable and you don't want to just take off the suit bc you'd be breaking the magic, and since often there are kids at events with furries you don't want to traumatize them.
Edit: also yea it does stink once you're done but at furry conventions there are usually rooms for fursuiters that are cooled and have water for them so they can take a break and not die from a heatstroke
I don't have one as it was never an interest of mine. I just enjoy anthro characters and art, I don't understand the whole fursuit fandom.
When you get a bunch of people wearing masks together, unless you have a robust security plan its gonna end up like an internet comment board: nonvocal majority who are decent, very vocal minority who are terrible.
Power armor is just a fur suit for people who want to be robots.
I say this as a furry. Some pretty crazy shit happened. I won't hold. This is also one of my favorite vids from internet historian.
So... Is the suit comfortable
So... what does dog D feel like?
@@mistrants2745 I dont know. Ask your mother
@@jorex4011 is she a white woman?
@@BaratAnemica mmm, peanut butter
As an Australian I can confrim that drop bears are being setup in your vicinty and your life is in danger
Due to these types I have kind of stopped calling myself a furry. I love the actual non fetish art and the idea of anthro races. But the community loves to ruin it and make it look like nothing but a fetish
Aww, I love that DBZA clip...but that was a prime opportunity to use Jeice!
Then again, does Space Australia count?
Ngl this video actually did a lot of damage to furry community as a whole and didn't mention that the whole reason ALL of this happened is that the ppl who where hosting the con let EVERYONE in
No blacklist for guests that are VERY known for all this crap they did in the vid
No blacklist for fetishes that are usually are not allowed in any other fur cons
No attention and control over situations whatsoever
I still want to attend to furcons to meet my friends, talk to fav artists and buy stuff they do but it's usually expensive
Also the best furcon to attend is MMF and it's also biggest and most controlled and safe one
You have such a variety of content . Such a cultured RUclipsr
A critical piece of information is that eveything seen in the video took place in a single day. That police shut the whole thing down by 2:00 pm.
As someone who was active in the furry community at the time of RainFurrest, people were PISSED. RainFurrest wasn't like DashCon where it was one event. RF had been going since 2007 and was one of the biggest furry conventions. This one bad year killed a 9 year convention. This is in stark contrast with other big furry conventions like AnthroCon and Furry Weekend Atlanta where they local businesses welcome furries with open arms. There absolutely was some sabotage going on there.
And no, I've never worn a fursuit. I've been told it's like wearing an entire couch while also inside an oven, though.
Yea, but at the same time, they didn't have a ban list on the known troublemakers, which apparently all the other successful cons have.
Wait really? I honestly thought it was a one-off convention that went horribly wrong.
I know furries are relatively chill but man, I feel like the most unhinged furries show up to public events.
That's why it's so dumb that Rainfurrest didn't use a blacklist or something, knowing how wild people in the fandom can be 😆
I've been a furry in the art-community for about 12 years and I know for a fact that most of the conventions taking place around the world happen without major hiccups, and that a majority of furries are normal functioning human beings that know how to behave around others, but from the few horror stories I've heard from events like Rainfurrest I don't think I would ever dare to attend one myself.
I mean they threw a party with the craziest people they could find. That creates, you guessed it, a particularly crazy party. Welcome to any major collage party anywhere in the nation.
One of them just happened to be furry themed, and everyone suddenly lost their minds.
I usually go the rule of thumb that anywhere from 1% to 5% of a given community is responsible for half of the WTF is wrong with you moments. Odds are 1-5 out of a hundred were causing most of the problems.
With that said, some of the most epic what-is-wrong-with-you stories I’ve heard, including D&D horror stories, involve furries.
Dashcon would have been considered the good ending XD
To be completely honest furries are scary, just look at the ratio of cultured games that are furry based, they are a shockingly large amount, they are very well funded and the often have multiple questionable tags in it.
Every group has their bad apples, it seems to a par that it could be almost taken in the literal sense here.
Few Furries own suits, fewer attend those conventions, the later part mostly connected to the same reason other conventions only get a fraction of the potential targeted audience to go to them, while the former matter is a thing mixed between financial viability and or personal preference of just not wanting to have one. I count towards the later part, rather using my funding to go towards a full set of far more glorious medieval armor.
In the end, this convention has been one of many thorns in our eyes, which is odd to say given few of us think of the fandom as a united collective for a great many reasons.
My personal assumption to this could very well be yours, of the idea that some of the fandom simply seek to sabotage the others for personal joy, there is no fandom or community I am aware of that lacks such indivduals.
Or, and that has been my long term assumption, it was active saboteurs that actually went to the con out of a disdain for the fandom, given Furries have far from few enemies even today, even less speaking about back then when the anti furry section of the web was not just a collective of early edgy teenagers and neckbeards that would collapse without their daily anime girl intake.
Furries are mysteriously wealthy. If you are an artist trying to score some quick big cash, hitting on furry market is the way to go.
In the wise words of a random video I once saw:
“Don’t make fun of the furry community. If they can afford a 2,000 dollar fur suit, then they can afford a 10 dollar pipe bomb in my mailbox.”
nah it's a stereotype, just like people get anime figures worth thousands and super expensive pc's the same thing happens with furries, when you obsess over something so much you will just put a lot of money into it, but there's a lot of super poor furries
@@mrminecraftcubeable It's very real. I'm close to this circle, and by close I mean I used to draw as a hobby myself (not good enough as a job prospect but joined the community during my school years, met my current close friends there,) and still have friends doing commissioned arts. Furries are really willing to pay more, especially for 18+ stuff.
@@Voicelet the weirder the fetish the better the pay, but again it's not because furries are rich in general
@@mrminecraftcubeable Sorry, I understand your point now that I'm more awake (it's still morning here.) But yeah, they're not wealthy in general, though if I have to rephrase I'd say rich people commissioning for illustrations are more often than not furries from what I see.
2:35 Yep. It's furries and smash fans, the stench makes your eyes water. I went to one con, never again.
This is a Certified Hood Classic 👌
You would think the hardest thing about wearing a fursuit is the head, making it more difficult to breathe, but they're actually fairly breathable. From what I understand, the toughest thing is trying to stay cool. If it's a convention happening during a cool part of the year in a colder climate, it's easier to make it work, but if it's anywhere south of Canada and west of Kansas happening any time from between April to September, you're probably suffering. Yes, people get very sweaty.
3:36 that physically hurt to watch, at least for me. It was a fire song though
As a Furry... I don't own a suit, I play Warhammer.
I swore I thought Jack reacted to this and the Dash Con one, but I’m not complaining about IH content
It was me, Jack. I was saboteur all along.
You could say, I was the impostor?
They flooded the bathrooms and shut off the smoke alarms so they could vape, why do furries have such a high power level? God damn
One word to think about: pizza
Furrys know!
I just got over that plz 😭
Adum from Your movie sucks says that one specific person was doing this.
I don't know if that could be possible.
3:48 OH
Ok! Anyone who's a furry, favorite fictional species? Mine BY FAR are Acradors by the artist Mindmachine. I think Jack would like their military technology. Irellian Republiv Soldiers are cool AF and so do the Rohai Empire's infantry
Jack, if you read this and take a look at the SFW art Mindmachine does (or NSFW, do as you desire!) let us know what you think!
This Video made me loathe those kind of furries for life
Why this idiots didn't put a black list,my friend and i saw a guy there who was ban before for touching minors! It was completely stupid this guy didn't put a black list and no the fursuits aren't going to hide them,ID or name is required if you are found in the black list you can't enter this guys didn't have that
As a furry: I’m sorry
Some suits have internal AC
Man furries know how to party
Well, Jack.
You'll be happy to know that furries ALSO hate Furry Force. xD
Ngl I both cringed and laughed watching it. That was a whole rollercoaster lol.
I just cringed.
And that's coming from a furry. xD@@JewelWildmoon
@@ReaperTheGodOfGames Fair lol. My usual reaction to cringe is laughing 😆
Fair. xD@@JewelWildmoon
*Chillzone putting badgers adress to avoid getting pipe bombed*
I wasn't a furry yet when this happened.. I think, don't exactly remember when I officially became one.
But when I became one and saw this video.. or some other, it was really bad, am glad things are better now.
So as a furry, are you the kind that just likes dressing up like another animal or are you the kind that looks at a German shepherd and goes "I could really go for some p*ssy right about now"?
yoo i was your friend in high school
Huh? what?
what's the first and last letter of the short name of the high-school?
Jack, For your information.
"Yiff" is the sound that Foxes make. xD
Like a cat's "Meow" and a dog's "Woof".
I dunno bro I didn't do nothin
Not all of us own suits. It'd be kinda cool to have at least one though.
Love your Content too. Keep up the great work.💙
chill zone is a furry confirmed lol
Your kitty is so cute!
Nice.
The thing you mentioned about it being an expensive hobby, that's honestly why I want to make and sell the suits someday because, while it looks like absolute hell for someone like me with little to no patience for it, the money looks worth it 😆 Even more so if it'll give me an excuse to experiment with using mechanical effects and LEDs in them.
Rainfurrest though... this is what happens when you make something for a community as wild as furries and give them no rules, nor use a blacklist.
bruh
Furries?! "grabs bolter and heavy flamer" DIE CHAOS SPAWNS!
Anti-furries?! *grabs riot shield and stimpaks* Violence isn't the answer!
Furries vs Anti-furries?! *Grabs popcorn and cola.* Proceed.
Hahaha...don't know how is that possible, but I hate this filth even more now xD
First?