Very clever of Northern to run empty coaching stock back to Newcastle when dozens of people are on the platform. As the WCML is closed due to the landslips at Carstairs do we have freight coming down the old GSWR via Dumfries ? Excellent viewing as always Leslie !
Thanks Euan. I have to check - I suspect not because of the strikes - no signallers in the manual boxes. I've a funny feeling they might be heading up the East Coast
I imagine that they had a driver but no guard and so it could only run empty back to Newcastle for its next working (assuming thst there was crew at that end.
Great video and informative. I've been there a few times as a young teenager spotting. I'm into aircraft now but I still look into what's happening railway wise. My preferred British weekender with the missus is the Sidings Hotel in York, took many a picture and noted some registrations in my head..........could my passion as a young teenager be returning? I'm 50 this year just for the record 🙂
The poor old Tyne Valley line has really been through the mill in recent months. Add to that the effects of strikes and it doesn't bode well for the future of the railway. Having spotted on the news this morning that the WCML was closed between Carlisle and Scotland, I had a look at RealTime Trains to see what diversions might be operating down the GSWR but nothing was showing and I didn't fancy spending endless hours in the cold by the River Nith just on the offchance that something might appear. Keep up the good work!
Yes I agreed there with you. I used to work on that line years a few ago and when it goes wrong it does! Usually end up being stranded as the bus service was poor then if you do get stuck.
Network rail and Northern really need to give their head a wobble, even if a level crossing was damaged surely the trains could be cautioned over it with the assistance of a local route manager.
Tim, don't forget the number of manual signalboxes on the route which would need to be manned by managers during the strikes. Puts any thought of even a token service out of the window. No idea where the washed out embankment and culvert - I think it happened on Sunday. On that day NO - I repeat NO trains ran into Carlisle.
Hi Les Northern not doing well at the moment, terrible service to the travelling public, its the same around Manchester, since the new TT the service has changed but causes more problems than its supposed to cure. As always though your videos of the events make good watching. Thanks
Yes the new timetables are a joke. The Liverpool to Manchester Piccadilly via Warrington Central is now TPE, EMR. The Northern services are an hourly that terminates at Oxford Road or only as far as Warrington Central from Liverpool. The TPEs are nearly all cancelled. Same with Southport trains, the Stalybridge via Victoria services still run, but the former Alderley Edge services now terminate at Oxford Road. This can mean a wait of around twenty minutes just to get to Piccadilly, two minutes up the line. Many of the connecting trains being non existent TPE services. It is a total mess.
Neil and Peter, I feel your pain; but at least some of the Northern trains in Manchester and the North West are new. All the northern trains on the North Eastern and S&C lines are ex-BR refurbished on the cheap and particularly unsuitable for lines like the S&C and the Esk Valley where a high proportion of the passengers are leisure travellers.
@@roderickjoyce6716 Agreed Roderick, the North East area of Northern ops are indeed 'not fit for purpose', as it were. Although I've recently seen news of new stock coming to Northern, maybe even the NE area??
@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 that would be great but I'd like to see what they have that is suitable for the Cumbrian Coast where even 158s are out of gauge.
hi Les thanks for another great video if eventful you have some fun days at Carlisle lol but i think others will have mentioned it why send 2 railcars back to Newcastle when the platforms were jammed up seems rather OTT to me anyway i dont work for them i hope you had a good new year and i look forward to the next video please stay safe my friend
Thanks for that Leslie. Amazing how Northern expect its passengers to cram onto 2 coaches along that line, even when there is seemingly a spare train available. But perhaps there were problems with drivers/staff hours etc. Surely they could have connected 2 sets together to make 1 train to Newcastle? I was told some years ago that that line cannot close because it is now the only cross country route between routes via Leeds and via Edinburgh/Glasgow, it carries a lot of freight traffic. Happy New Year and great videos!
Thanks! I think what Northern did to recover service is pretty much following the book. Staff were misplaced. stock was at the wrong end etc. In fact there is very little freight over the Newcastle & Carlisle line - often just a departmental train for Network Rail each way. However LNER use it as a useful diversionary route from Newcastle to Edinburgh.
I can't say it was a unique event especially as it was quickly moved over to Collier Lane and Heaton transfers 156 to and from the Coast lineare via platform 2 usually. The log train has been via the WCML since Petteril Bridge.
Although the incident on the level crossing caused a delay, speaking as a passenger of Northern, there is a culture of shoulder shrugging and "not our fault" or "not my job" attitude in the rail industry. Instead of everyone making every human effort to get back to and maintain the service timetable after the problem is cleared, they sit back blame everyone else and let everything unravel around them. If I had that attitude at work I would find myself unemployed very quickly.
Wow! That reads and sounds like a very crazy day. It was definitely a domino effect and screwed up a lot of people- both travelers and rail workers. Some nice catches, but all those people hung up. Not fun. Been there, done that (but in Germany). Thanks for the story behind the story!
My daughter has to travel on that line 4 times a week. I've tried suggesting that the train is a decent option. I have to admit, once she passes her driving test, driving to college will be the way forward. Northern Trains and Network Rail provide a ridiculously poor standard of service. It looks to me like government just want the railways to fail completely!!
Thanks. I agree - the Newcastle line and all companies serving the lines into Carlisle appear to be (and encouraged to be) on a course of self destruction
As you said a typical banal afternoon in Carlisle station got turned into one of high drama, desperation and disappointment just becasue of one damned stupid motorist! That 1454 to Newcastle was just about empty when it departed. I presume those later cancellations were part of the knock-on effect of the previous incident. By the way, do you know why there is that 10mph restriction at the start of the Workington route?
Thanks Rob. The cancellations were the knock on effect of the incident as you say. The curves from the South Junction round to Currock Junction involves a tight S - two very tight curves.
@@headsup2433 I can lol. Ex BR guys have told me it wasn't unusual in these situations to terminate trains short and so on to keep the right unit on the right schedule.
Great video Les and very informative
Thanks! Glad you found it interesting
Les I enjoy your films. They are well filmed plus the narrative on the screen is useful to inform us about the trains.
Thanks Richard
Yep...very eventful , thanks for keeping us up to date with all things Carlisle Leslie. All the best.
Thanks Tim. I can imagine TFW going the same way if things got bad
Was up Carlisle the day after this and seeing the 37s leave was great!
Sounds great - I couldn't get out that day
Very clever of Northern to run empty coaching stock back to Newcastle when dozens of people are on the platform. As the WCML is closed due to the landslips at Carstairs do we have freight coming down the old GSWR via Dumfries ? Excellent viewing as always Leslie !
Thanks Euan. I have to check - I suspect not because of the strikes - no signallers in the manual boxes. I've a funny feeling they might be heading up the East Coast
I imagine that they had a driver but no guard and so it could only run empty back to Newcastle for its next working (assuming thst there was crew at that end.
@@johncherrington6080 That was my thought - not only units but also crews mislocated
Great video and informative. I've been there a few times as a young teenager spotting. I'm into aircraft now but I still look into what's happening railway wise. My preferred British weekender with the missus is the Sidings Hotel in York, took many a picture and noted some registrations in my head..........could my passion as a young teenager be returning? I'm 50 this year just for the record 🙂
Thanks. I don't think that the interest ever goes away
Is the Sidings Hotel any good ..? thinking of taking the Mrs. there and to do some filming etc. Any tips / advice welcome. thks
Thanks for sharing. Happy new year. Stay safe.
Thanks Mike
Amazing how quickly things get bunged up when things go wrong!
Indeed, Andy. A how much longer than you's expect to clear it all up
The poor old Tyne Valley line has really been through the mill in recent months. Add to that the effects of strikes and it doesn't bode well for the future of the railway.
Having spotted on the news this morning that the WCML was closed between Carlisle and Scotland, I had a look at RealTime Trains to see what diversions might be operating down the GSWR but nothing was showing and I didn't fancy spending endless hours in the cold by the River Nith just on the offchance that something might appear.
Keep up the good work!
Yes I agreed there with you. I used to work on that line years a few ago and when it goes wrong it does! Usually end up being stranded as the bus service was poor then if you do get stuck.
Network rail and Northern really need to give their head a wobble, even if a level crossing was damaged surely the trains could be cautioned over it with the assistance of a local route manager.
Tim, don't forget the number of manual signalboxes on the route which would need to be manned by managers during the strikes. Puts any thought of even a token service out of the window.
No idea where the washed out embankment and culvert - I think it happened on Sunday. On that day NO - I repeat NO trains ran into Carlisle.
Great day for passenger train and metro!! 💯✌️
Well sort of pretty average these days. My friends (ex rail workers) say its atrocious!
Hi Les Northern not doing well at the moment, terrible service to the travelling public, its the same around Manchester, since the new TT the service has changed but causes more problems than its supposed to cure. As always though your videos of the events make good watching. Thanks
Yes the new timetables are a joke.
The Liverpool to Manchester Piccadilly via Warrington Central is now TPE, EMR. The Northern services are an hourly that terminates at Oxford Road or only as far as Warrington Central from Liverpool. The TPEs are nearly all cancelled. Same with Southport trains, the Stalybridge via Victoria services still run, but the former Alderley Edge services now terminate at Oxford Road. This can mean a wait of around twenty minutes just to get to Piccadilly, two minutes up the line. Many of the connecting trains being non existent TPE services. It is a total mess.
Peter, its a total mess from Government through the Dept of Transport to the management at Northern. At least it makes good video!
Neil and Peter, I feel your pain; but at least some of the Northern trains in Manchester and the North West are new. All the northern trains on the North Eastern and S&C lines are ex-BR refurbished on the cheap and particularly unsuitable for lines like the S&C and the Esk Valley where a high proportion of the passengers are leisure travellers.
@@roderickjoyce6716 Agreed Roderick, the North East area of Northern ops are indeed 'not fit for purpose', as it were. Although I've recently seen news of new stock coming to Northern, maybe even the NE area??
@@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182 that would be great but I'd like to see what they have that is suitable for the Cumbrian Coast where even 158s are out of gauge.
hi Les thanks for another great video if eventful you have some fun days at Carlisle lol but i think others will have mentioned it why send 2 railcars back to Newcastle when the platforms were jammed up seems rather OTT to me anyway i dont work for them i hope you had a good new year and i look forward to the next video please stay safe my friend
Lack of conductors I'd guess. Crews in the wrong places.
Such backward working practices, for an non stop to Newcastle where they would be plenty of station staff to assist with issues if any.
Thanks for that Leslie. Amazing how Northern expect its passengers to cram onto 2 coaches along that line, even when there is seemingly a spare train available. But perhaps there were problems with drivers/staff hours etc. Surely they could have connected 2 sets together to make 1 train to Newcastle? I was told some years ago that that line cannot close because it is now the only cross country route between routes via Leeds and via Edinburgh/Glasgow, it carries a lot of freight traffic. Happy New Year and great videos!
Thanks! I think what Northern did to recover service is pretty much following the book. Staff were misplaced. stock was at the wrong end etc. In fact there is very little freight over the Newcastle & Carlisle line - often just a departmental train for Network Rail each way. However LNER use it as a useful diversionary route from Newcastle to Edinburgh.
Now that was chaotic.
Definitely was!
Never seen 158 in P2 before, does the wood train always go down the WCML now as it was using the S&C prior to the derailment.
I can't say it was a unique event especially as it was quickly moved over to Collier Lane and Heaton transfers 156 to and from the Coast lineare via platform 2 usually. The log train has been via the WCML since Petteril Bridge.
Kronospan trains not reverted back to the S&C routing following the Petteril bridge derailment?
Surprisingly not. No idea why
Although the incident on the level crossing caused a delay, speaking as a passenger of Northern, there is a culture of shoulder shrugging and "not our fault" or "not my job" attitude in the rail industry. Instead of everyone making every human effort to get back to and maintain the service timetable after the problem is cleared, they sit back blame everyone else and let everything unravel around them. If I had that attitude at work I would find myself unemployed very quickly.
They don't help themselves eh?
Wow! That reads and sounds like a very crazy day. It was definitely a domino effect and screwed up a lot of people- both travelers and rail workers. Some nice catches, but all those people hung up. Not fun. Been there, done that (but in Germany). Thanks for the story behind the story!
Thanks Anthony. For once I really could make a story!
My daughter has to travel on that line 4 times a week. I've tried suggesting that the train is a decent option. I have to admit, once she passes her driving test, driving to college will be the way forward. Northern Trains and Network Rail provide a ridiculously poor standard of service. It looks to me like government just want the railways to fail completely!!
Thanks. I agree - the Newcastle line and all companies serving the lines into Carlisle appear to be (and encouraged to be) on a course of self destruction
Great video, well filmed.👍🎥👍👍👍😊
Thanks!
Great viewing unless your from Newcastle! Terrible planning going on there someone needs to bang some heads together!
Thanks! Sadly the heads are from the government down
Wow These train companies make Via Rail and Amtrak look good...
And we think they are providing an atrocious service! But I've also experienced Amtrak and Via!
As you said a typical banal afternoon in Carlisle station got turned into one of high drama, desperation and disappointment just becasue of one damned stupid motorist! That 1454 to Newcastle was just about empty when it departed. I presume those later cancellations were part of the knock-on effect of the previous incident. By the way, do you know why there is that 10mph restriction at the start of the Workington route?
Thanks Rob. The cancellations were the knock on effect of the incident as you say. The curves from the South Junction round to Currock Junction involves a tight S - two very tight curves.
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Thanks!
What a shambles, they can`t keep treating passengers like this.
Sadly they can and they appear to be encouraged to.
@@LeslieGilpinRailways I don`t remember British Railways being this bad.
@@headsup2433 I can lol. Ex BR guys have told me it wasn't unusual in these situations to terminate trains short and so on to keep the right unit on the right schedule.
what a disgrace northern trains ,saying that does not surprise you !fares costing a fortune ,none stop strikes ,!
Not the best of times