Don’t even bother listening to Evangelicals, Baptists or Pentecostals when it comes to Theology. I disagree heavily with mid and high church Protestants and believe that they’re fundamentally wrong in their positions, but I can at least acknowledge that their positions are well thought out and you can find at least some support for these ideas in both the Bible and the Early Church, even if I believe their interpretations of these sources are erroneous. As wrong as they are on things, the more modern Protestants are so far removed from Christianity that I only call them Christians because they profess Christ as Lord with their tongue and hold vaguely to some of the Ecumenical Councils. Also forget the premise that most Christians today are hellbound under their interpretation, their interpretation of scripture and tradition effectively makes Christ a liar. The Church was supposed to be the Pillar of Truth and if that isn’t the case, then Christ lied to us which means he’s not a prophet or God. Which essentially means that literally every religion that bases its authority on Abrahamic promises is false because the very promises Abraham received are fulfilled in Christ. If Christ is ever false, then these promises are false. Addendum I made everything above before realizing the author’s precarious position on inclusivity at the cost of truthfulness. Look enough with this attitude of indifference. There is an objective truth and if there isn’t we’re all wasting our time. This “you do you and I’ll do me” mentality is 100% a product of the world and specifically “the enlightenment”. Christ himself separates people by his very nature into those who believe in him and those who do not. He’s made it abundantly clear that all men will be judged by their deeds and what they had faith in after this life. If you fail that test, there is nowhere else for a soul to go save the fires of Gehenna. That is real, it is a grave and terrible danger that cannot be ignored.
Good on you Jeremy in seeing through all the falsified statements about the catholic church - I like this one which I read : ‘Scripture alone’ had manifestly led not to clarity and consensus but to contestation and confusion - source: The Oxford Illustrated History of the Reformation
Thank you. I run into this still now. It is unnerving to be told I believe things I dodn't believe, have the Bible misquoted out of context to justify theology that's half biblical, and just generally manipulate Christian history to be something it wasn't. The mission trips to Catholic countries are also wild, it's great to go help the poor but converting people from the original faith to an offshoot isn't getting more people into heaven.
2:30 you're on point : the devil is the one who divides. Most protestants keep slandering my Eastern Catholic faith and claim their silly misunderstandings about Catholicism are the true Catholic teachings. Add to that that low-church protestants do not have a theological authority, it is mostly mere opinions : there is no great protestant council that would define required doctrine in order to be protestant. This work is done within denominations, and Protestants never claim their denomination is the only true Christianity (except an anecdotal minority). Protestants do indeed have authority in a pastoral sense, but their binding authority on theology is limited to some 20% or 30% of Protestantism within their respective country at best. All of that to say that they must admit they have no binding authority to claim who's wrong and who isn't. And not only that, but they claim, as you said, Catholics are going to hell due to their allegedly terrible teachings. I'm no better than someone else, but I have all the reasons to feel like I am better than many because I had the humility to say "wait, what if I'm just wrong?" ; I clearly did the right thing by asking questions in good faith (not boasting here, I just wanna encourage people to judge charitably and in full knowledge). Follow my example, a stupid man who was saved by God, and who by the grace of God tried to understand all believers in charity.
I’m not going to spend a million years arguing this, I’m only going to give you fair warning. Warning that not enough have the stomach to do anymore. Islam is a false religion and its creation was forewarned by Paul in his letter to the Galatians. In it he warns that should either man or angel come to you teaching you a Gospel counter to that which we have taught you let him be anathema. Muhammad supposedly got his teachings from an angel who spoke against the gospel given to us by Christ through his Apostles. Angels aligned to God do not speak contrary to the Father, only Angels who are not aligned to the Father do this. The same can be said in regard to the Mormons for that matter. Islam is a bastardized hybridization of a mishmash of Old Testament teachings and Christian Heresies. It has no continuity with any teaching from before Christ or after him. It’s a complete invention of man at the devil’s inspiration, created to provide a faith that better reflects the twisted fallen nature of men. The Bible and the Tradition of the Catholic Church form the deposit of Faith gifted to mankind by God. This treasure has remained and stood unbroken and unassailed by the world for 2000 years. It shall stand until the end of days. Christ is the word of God and the word is God. Christ himself made many claims of divinity. He claimed that he and the father are one. He claimed that before Abraham was I Am, a clear allusion to what God said to Moses when he asked for his name. These claims and the signs that accompanied them are what ultimately got him sentenced to death by crucifixion. He, God, suffered death there for our sins and rose again on the third day. It was not a ghostly illusion as the Gnostics claimed, nor was it a double as you lot claim. Do with this whatsoever you will, with the knowledge that all will be held to account for their decisions in this life.
No thank you. I’m not going to trust some guy 600+ years after Christ who claims “God told me Jesus actually didn’t die on the Cross”. Also, your Quran affirms the Bible, which proves the Quran false. And believe in that I have sent down, confirming that which IS with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And sell not My signs for a little price; and fear you Me. S. 2:41 And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers. S. 2:89 Shakir And when they were told, 'Believe in that God has sent down,' they said, 'We believe in what was sent down on us'; and they disbelieve in what is beyond that, yet it is the truth confirming what IS with them. Say: 'Why then were you slaying the Prophets of God in former time, if you were believers?' S. 2:91
@@ByzantiumArchon *thank you for your valuable comment. Actually I invited him to read the Quran and study about Islam. Anyways, I invite you as well to read the Quran and study about Islam. You don't have to be a Muslim to know about Islam. You can be from any religion and read the Quran. Thank you.*
@@goku5323I have. There's a great deal of beauty and wisdom there, it's mixed with a lot of misguided ideas and a great deal of misunderstanding and impossible theological assertions based on previous texts and traditions. Muhammad tried, but he got too much wrong.
Don’t even bother listening to Evangelicals, Baptists or Pentecostals when it comes to Theology. I disagree heavily with mid and high church Protestants and believe that they’re fundamentally wrong in their positions, but I can at least acknowledge that their positions are well thought out and you can find at least some support for these ideas in both the Bible and the Early Church, even if I believe their interpretations of these sources are erroneous. As wrong as they are on things, the more modern Protestants are so far removed from Christianity that I only call them Christians because they profess Christ as Lord with their tongue and hold vaguely to some of the Ecumenical Councils.
Also forget the premise that most Christians today are hellbound under their interpretation, their interpretation of scripture and tradition effectively makes Christ a liar. The Church was supposed to be the Pillar of Truth and if that isn’t the case, then Christ lied to us which means he’s not a prophet or God. Which essentially means that literally every religion that bases its authority on Abrahamic promises is false because the very promises Abraham received are fulfilled in Christ. If Christ is ever false, then these promises are false.
Addendum
I made everything above before realizing the author’s precarious position on inclusivity at the cost of truthfulness. Look enough with this attitude of indifference. There is an objective truth and if there isn’t we’re all wasting our time. This “you do you and I’ll do me” mentality is 100% a product of the world and specifically “the enlightenment”. Christ himself separates people by his very nature into those who believe in him and those who do not. He’s made it abundantly clear that all men will be judged by their deeds and what they had faith in after this life. If you fail that test, there is nowhere else for a soul to go save the fires of Gehenna. That is real, it is a grave and terrible danger that cannot be ignored.
Good on you Jeremy in seeing through all the falsified statements about the catholic church - I like this one which I read : ‘Scripture alone’ had manifestly led not to clarity and consensus but to contestation and confusion - source: The Oxford Illustrated History of the Reformation
Thank you. I run into this still now. It is unnerving to be told I believe things I dodn't believe, have the Bible misquoted out of context to justify theology that's half biblical, and just generally manipulate Christian history to be something it wasn't.
The mission trips to Catholic countries are also wild, it's great to go help the poor but converting people from the original faith to an offshoot isn't getting more people into heaven.
Chick tracts? Those things were hilarious, in a cringey way.
2:30 you're on point : the devil is the one who divides.
Most protestants keep slandering my Eastern Catholic faith and claim their silly misunderstandings about Catholicism are the true Catholic teachings.
Add to that that low-church protestants do not have a theological authority, it is mostly mere opinions : there is no great protestant council that would define required doctrine in order to be protestant. This work is done within denominations, and Protestants never claim their denomination is the only true Christianity (except an anecdotal minority). Protestants do indeed have authority in a pastoral sense, but their binding authority on theology is limited to some 20% or 30% of Protestantism within their respective country at best.
All of that to say that they must admit they have no binding authority to claim who's wrong and who isn't. And not only that, but they claim, as you said, Catholics are going to hell due to their allegedly terrible teachings.
I'm no better than someone else, but I have all the reasons to feel like I am better than many because I had the humility to say "wait, what if I'm just wrong?" ; I clearly did the right thing by asking questions in good faith (not boasting here, I just wanna encourage people to judge charitably and in full knowledge).
Follow my example, a stupid man who was saved by God, and who by the grace of God tried to understand all believers in charity.
*Brother, I invite you read the Quran and study about ISLAM. May ALLAH guide you.* 🙏
I’m not going to spend a million years arguing this, I’m only going to give you fair warning. Warning that not enough have the stomach to do anymore.
Islam is a false religion and its creation was forewarned by Paul in his letter to the Galatians. In it he warns that should either man or angel come to you teaching you a Gospel counter to that which we have taught you let him be anathema. Muhammad supposedly got his teachings from an angel who spoke against the gospel given to us by Christ through his Apostles. Angels aligned to God do not speak contrary to the Father, only Angels who are not aligned to the Father do this. The same can be said in regard to the Mormons for that matter. Islam is a bastardized hybridization of a mishmash of Old Testament teachings and Christian Heresies. It has no continuity with any teaching from before Christ or after him. It’s a complete invention of man at the devil’s inspiration, created to provide a faith that better reflects the twisted fallen nature of men. The Bible and the Tradition of the Catholic Church form the deposit of Faith gifted to mankind by God. This treasure has remained and stood unbroken and unassailed by the world for 2000 years. It shall stand until the end of days.
Christ is the word of God and the word is God. Christ himself made many claims of divinity. He claimed that he and the father are one. He claimed that before Abraham was I Am, a clear allusion to what God said to Moses when he asked for his name. These claims and the signs that accompanied them are what ultimately got him sentenced to death by crucifixion. He, God, suffered death there for our sins and rose again on the third day. It was not a ghostly illusion as the Gnostics claimed, nor was it a double as you lot claim. Do with this whatsoever you will, with the knowledge that all will be held to account for their decisions in this life.
No thank you. I’m not going to trust some guy 600+ years after Christ who claims “God told me Jesus actually didn’t die on the Cross”.
Also, your Quran affirms the Bible, which proves the Quran false.
And believe in that I have sent down, confirming that which IS with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And sell not My signs for a little price; and fear you Me. S. 2:41
And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers. S. 2:89 Shakir
And when they were told, 'Believe in that God has sent down,' they said, 'We believe in what was sent down on us'; and they disbelieve in what is beyond that, yet it is the truth confirming what IS with them. Say: 'Why then were you slaying the Prophets of God in former time, if you were believers?' S. 2:91
@@ByzantiumArchon *thank you for your valuable comment. Actually I invited him to read the Quran and study about Islam. Anyways, I invite you as well to read the Quran and study about Islam. You don't have to be a Muslim to know about Islam. You can be from any religion and read the Quran. Thank you.*
@@goku5323we did. It's terrible.
@@goku5323I have. There's a great deal of beauty and wisdom there, it's mixed with a lot of misguided ideas and a great deal of misunderstanding and impossible theological assertions based on previous texts and traditions. Muhammad tried, but he got too much wrong.