Vertical Solar Panels Are Better Than Horizontal Ones in 2024 (We Were Wrong!)

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  • Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024

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  • @scottmcshannon6821
    @scottmcshannon6821 4 месяца назад +23

    just install vertical panels where you would put up a fence. solar panel fences are going to be cheaper than good wood fences. may not be in the best location, but since they are doing the job of a fence the installation is basically free.

    • @Tirahicreate
      @Tirahicreate 3 месяца назад

      Yes, solar panel fences are a good option, but due to weather conditions like rain, snow, wind, etc., if they start getting tilted to the surface, that problem can reduce the lifespan of solar panels, cables etc.

  • @alanmcrae8594
    @alanmcrae8594 3 месяца назад +14

    Vertical installation might also help with hail damage mitigation. Anybody experienced with using vertical installation in regions where hail storms are more frequent?

  • @sammaimas155
    @sammaimas155 2 месяца назад +7

    I wish it were true, but I tested a 400 watt Trina panel in the vertical position and at 45° to ground and found the angled position was actually producing more power. sigh

    • @railfan8094
      @railfan8094 12 дней назад

      You are right

    • @syedraza5374
      @syedraza5374 2 дня назад

      True

    • @azvlogs799
      @azvlogs799 2 дня назад

      It is for short time. You have to calculate for long time. Like 3 month or 6 month

  • @mathewpv681
    @mathewpv681 3 месяца назад +8

    Latitude of Netherlands is 50-54 N. So being vertical there means the panels are at an angle of approximately 52 degrees to the Sun.

    • @Hansen710
      @Hansen710 2 месяца назад +1

      it would be interesting to see this tested more places arund the world
      i live in scandinavia and my thought was that i cant apply this research to where i live or to the equator
      a dude on youtube also tested this very well, if i remeber correct it was in ohio so that is pretty much the same as nl

  • @cmw3737
    @cmw3737 4 месяца назад +8

    Just complimenting the duck curve of horizontal panels to capture more energy during dawn and dusk should be enough to push the optimum arrangement of new PV towards more vertical in areas where horizontal is already well established.

    • @robertlaes5898
      @robertlaes5898 4 месяца назад +1

      the main drawback might be the windload: fine for fieldmounting, but not on roofs.

    • @stevepailet8258
      @stevepailet8258 3 месяца назад

      more of a two hump camel output once in the morning and once in the afternoon. should also happen with vertical panels facing east to capture morning and west to capture afternoon sun.. no solar output during the noon time sun. sounds odd .. have seen where some are using the vertical panes to do fences rather than taking up roof tops

    • @sethsipakati6818
      @sethsipakati6818 3 месяца назад

      The major undoing of bifacial is low production at the peak in fixed position.

    • @Hansen710
      @Hansen710 2 месяца назад

      i would love to see what a vertical tracker rack could add to all this

  • @UberGeek
    @UberGeek 3 месяца назад +8

    2.5% increase, based in The Netherlands research, is not HUGE. If you change the mounting of solar panels, the best increase in generation is to follow the sun mechanism, which is an estimated 40% increase. And the cost of those mechanisms is not really worth the investment, according to some other researchers.

    • @Tirahicreate
      @Tirahicreate 3 месяца назад

      Sometimes we need to choose what really serves the purpose of a solar energy generation system rather than blindly run after getting maximum energy generation output... Below are 2 scenarios with solar generation systems., The choice is yours :)
      A. Safe, Steady, Less maintenance, Compromised energy generation (Through parallel to surface horizontally installation setup)... This will hold true for vertical installation setups except for the compromised energy generation part, which is claimed higher in this video, which is great news!)
      B. Compromised safety, Unsteady, Higher/frequent maintenance, Highest energy generation (Through horizontally tilted to surface installation setup)

  • @sethsipakati6818
    @sethsipakati6818 3 месяца назад +5

    That is true. Horizontally fixed panels are less efficient for 2 reasons 1. They heat the surface below them which radiates back and 2. There is less air circulation under the panels.

  • @JosEPh-zy3yr
    @JosEPh-zy3yr 3 месяца назад +5

    Installers are charging too much to install PV panels. They are pricing themselves out of business. Greed never wins.

    • @s.lionelmcauley4455
      @s.lionelmcauley4455 3 месяца назад +1

      This is a USA problem. $2 per watt goes to the sales organization sourcing the customer. In Australia and France the market is more mature the cost of installation and components is $1.10 per watt.

    • @SolarTechFL
      @SolarTechFL 12 дней назад

      I charge 2.25 a watt

  • @jonchalk3855
    @jonchalk3855 3 месяца назад +3

    There is a building on which the solar panels are vertical along the full height of the building. I noticed that other buildings were following suit soon after. They must have realized that they were more efficient and less maintenance costs. This must have improved their ROI. So instead of installing the panels on the roof, I may want to try placing them vertical in my yard. No need to worry about snow accumulation nor frequent cleaning nor bird droppings. As long as they get enough exposure to the sun, then I should see an improvement over the traditional methods.

  • @yvanpimentel9950
    @yvanpimentel9950 4 месяца назад +10

    The importance of. Vertical installation is that produces less during peak hours but more earlier and late afternoon.

    • @sethsipakati6818
      @sethsipakati6818 3 месяца назад +1

      Trcking monofacoal panels mounted east _west gives more power than fixed bifacial panels. Giving more power throughout

    • @yvanpimentel9950
      @yvanpimentel9950 3 месяца назад +1

      @@sethsipakati6818 that is correct in Dominican Republic a lot of people are placing it that way

    • @johnmal5975
      @johnmal5975 3 месяца назад

      I could not agree more. I have power stations because I rent. I physically move my panels throughout the day. In summer here in Fl. I put my panels vertical b/w the hours of 4 pm to 8 pm and 7 am to 11 am. I get more production in those hours because its longer times and panels are much cooler.

    • @Hansen710
      @Hansen710 2 месяца назад

      with a solar tracker you can change that
      we just need solar trackers for vertical systems

    • @yvanpimentel9950
      @yvanpimentel9950 2 месяца назад

      Solar tracker are more expensive than just more panels, having more panel help in cloudy days.

  • @markpoweski3470
    @markpoweski3470 3 месяца назад +7

    High wind speeds should also be considered

    • @jeffjwatts
      @jeffjwatts 3 месяца назад +2

      Vertical panels would take more damage during high wind conditions.

    • @ForbiddTV
      @ForbiddTV 2 месяца назад

      @@jeffjwatts Got any published reports to back your assertion? If the mounting poles are stout enough, I wouldn't think the panels themselves would be damaged by high winds.

  • @ForbiddTV
    @ForbiddTV 2 месяца назад +2

    Yeah, my system gets snow cover for sometimes weeks at a time here in Michigan, a time when I need the power the most. Bifacial vertical South facing installation is my next system, little chance of snow cover for long, and no hail damage.

  • @cassandrampofu6856
    @cassandrampofu6856 4 месяца назад +2

    This might be a better approach especially for Floating Photovoltaics installation in Germany, where panels are allowed to cover a maximum of 15% of the whole lake and at the same time maintain a 40m distance from the shore. With vertical installation, it means that it will still be possible to install panels in small lakes and also compared to horizontal more panels will be installed in a small area.I’m just worried about shading effect that comes with such installation.

    • @s.lionelmcauley4455
      @s.lionelmcauley4455 3 месяца назад

      Shading is not a concern, Reflection off the water will void any shade from modules.

    • @Hansen710
      @Hansen710 2 месяца назад

      shading would be posible to avoid, more or less, but some sort of vertical tracker rack would be needed for that

  • @donaldhoudek2889
    @donaldhoudek2889 19 часов назад

    I am going to give vertical solar panel mounting a try. I currently have a 6' Privacy fence on the north side of my property that is never shaded by any trees. A rarity! I also have a 3' path of sun bleached sea shells along the base of the fence that reflect an unbelievable amount of light. I will be adding a wider path of shells for more sun reflection and I will also be experimenting with adding a white section of fence to reflect on the rear of the bi facial panels. I am looking at vertical mounted panels with a slight adjustable angle to adjust for seasonal solar angle and fine tune the reflection angle. Should be a great project with a lot of (Raspberry Pi) data to analyze for fine tuning and project modifications. Oh, and a lot of Central Florida sun!

  • @Syed_Owais1966
    @Syed_Owais1966 3 месяца назад +3

    I am experimenting with pv plates at my house and all the pv plates i have installed so far are vertically fixed.

    • @stevepailet8258
      @stevepailet8258 3 месяца назад

      would love to see pictures of your installation

    • @lorenzo42p
      @lorenzo42p 4 дня назад

      why not compare to laying flat. see if it is actually better in your situation. I bought a single 100 watt panel some 8-10 years ago. I found it produced such little power, it will never pay for itself. today the cost is half what it was back then, so it might be worth trying with another single new panel and see what the real world results look like.

  • @michaelmccotter4293
    @michaelmccotter4293 3 месяца назад +1

    More northern regions dont have the heat related issues and Solar performs much better in our cooler climate.
    Bifacial panels work very well for those dark winter periods when we are hoping for 2 solar hours a day. Chilled bifacial panels increase harvest when snow reflects light to the back of the panels.
    Here in South Central Alaska during the Winter Solstice, the ideal panel angle is 7 degrees of tilt. With our long summer days when the sun is high in the sky, we might use a 47 degree tilt.

    • @ForbiddTV
      @ForbiddTV 2 месяца назад

      Here in Michigan my roof panels are sometimes covered with snow for weeks at a time, a time when I need the power the most. Vertical wouldn't have this issue nearly as much, and if they are bifacial you have the added benefit behind them.

  • @russbritt4100
    @russbritt4100 3 месяца назад +1

    Vertical mounts is 1000% cheaper than a top of pole mount so in snow country this is bigger than 2.5% because of the savings on mounting them

  • @leeloy2108
    @leeloy2108 3 месяца назад +1

    2.5% annual gain? Worth the price for a small solar array?

  • @bobmonztr
    @bobmonztr Месяц назад

    I have vertical mount, snow and dirt never sticks rains washes almost all dirt. I can make a 3.6kw array out of 2x4 ,36 of them, only 3 pcs have to be cut and screw together, and you can mount huge panels solo. My 2.8 array makes 780w full overcast. In winter with sun and snow the 2.8 makes 3.5kw, in summer 2.8 makes 1.8kw with no reflective, eg. white rock, but I still generate 2x what I could use per day. South facing, east west is a waste. The albedo gains plus south sun works best for me. Like most of the commenters figured out, how many vertical windows have you seen damaged in a hailstorm? The part of risky costly install of vertical does not apply in my yard.

  • @SHABRASH
    @SHABRASH 10 дней назад

    It was amazing video. In the whole video we did not see any actual vertical installations even for testing purpose 😂

  • @simonpannett8810
    @simonpannett8810 4 месяца назад +1

    As Panel prices drop then double sided vertical panels installed E/W could be a real help in peak hours!!

  • @davefilicicchia6341
    @davefilicicchia6341 4 месяца назад +2

    The 2.5% advantage doesn't seem like much. Is this for fixed position operation, or for tracking operation?

    • @sethsipakati6818
      @sethsipakati6818 3 месяца назад +1

      They are not tracking . Tracked monofacocial in east west arrangements can yield much more.

  • @hklheman
    @hklheman 21 день назад

    as the sun orientation moves, there's less and less irradiance on the vertical panels, so this is simply wrong.

  • @paulwayne8576
    @paulwayne8576 Месяц назад +1

    I wonder if you were to cover the ground with a white heavy plastic level, of course 20‘ x 40‘ and put vertical solar panels on it would you get more because white is UV reflective?

  • @user-hb1wf4tr6d
    @user-hb1wf4tr6d 3 месяца назад +1

    The comparison and angles precision of Wind Force in different locations, would have to be thorough. Sounds Good though, Thank you for the Video

  • @stickynorth
    @stickynorth Месяц назад

    I suspect bifacial vertically mounted solar panels will show up MOSTLY as solar fencing along highways, private property lines, etc. There's PLENTY of unused land where these would make sense. If you combined vertically mounted solar fencing WITH solar roofs even the hottest desert property could have both shade and huge solar power output potential... I don't think we're likely to see TALL walls of solar like is speculated on in the end of the video... Structurally and economically it would make little sense I suspect...But anything under 6' to 8' which is a standard height? Not only plausible but likely...

  • @tommycollier9172
    @tommycollier9172 3 месяца назад +1

    As a electrical engineer For 40 years this makes absolute sense to me

  • @sammaimas155
    @sammaimas155 2 дня назад

    Does this only apply to Bi-facial panels. What about normal one sided solar panels???

  • @CarlRichmond
    @CarlRichmond Месяц назад

    white frp makes a great reflective uv proof base under bifacial solar panels . no paint completely weatherproof. I am going to use it on my container roof with tilting panels

  • @user-fo2zn1pg9x
    @user-fo2zn1pg9x 18 дней назад

    Totally wrong concept, for the experiment take a single panel and put an ammeter on it while changing the angle to the sun's rays, when the sun falls perfectly perpendicular you have the highest efficiency/current/amperage.

  •  18 дней назад

    They are talking bifacial panels that can take advantage of reflected light and the bent light that passes through the materials of the light facing side.. I saw some experiments where they used clean white stones and 600 watt reflective panels that were angled to reflect light toward the vertical panels on both faces.. The energy collection was certainly superior to a single face panel but not as good as 2 single faced 300 watt panels oriented at an optimal angle to the Sun..

  • @fatmaabdelzaher6512
    @fatmaabdelzaher6512 4 месяца назад +2

    hope more research in this topic

  • @s.lionelmcauley4455
    @s.lionelmcauley4455 3 месяца назад

    Verticle Solar Mounting, is less vulnerable to hail stones, or not vulnerable at all.

  • @frankbelluccia7126
    @frankbelluccia7126 3 месяца назад

    That is a very bold claim that is trivially simple to validate with an equally trivial "empirical" study. Place two arrays side-by-side and measure wattage from each.
    Nothing wrong with vertical PV panels, if the owner can justify them, rather than the taxpayer, but as Richard Feynman might say: it doesn't matter what you wish your study says...

    • @sammaimas155
      @sammaimas155 2 месяца назад

      I did this same test with one Jinko 400 watt panel, I measured the Voltage and Amps in the exact vertical position, but I found that I got about 3 Amps more if I tilted the panels back toward the ground surface - about 45° (I live at Latitude -27°). I would love if this vertical mounting were true, but is it only true for bifacial panels.

  • @MarcMallary
    @MarcMallary 3 месяца назад

    If horizontal pv panels had liquid cooling tubes on the back, they could be cooled and still receive greater irradiance.

  • @renewable_energy
    @renewable_energy  4 месяца назад +1

    Do you agree with the researchers to change all solar panels to be vertical?

    • @stevepailet8258
      @stevepailet8258 3 месяца назад +2

      no leave the panels that are installed alone.. only new installations as space permits.

    • @owenbruce4120
      @owenbruce4120 3 месяца назад

      No the infrastructure required for forces such as high winds negates any gains.

    • @gareon54
      @gareon54 3 месяца назад

      If the panels are mounted at the proper angle in reference to the sun and not just "on a roof" and there is plenty of ventilation space behind the panels, then no. I don't agree. Each installation has it's own issues. Wind load would be a very big factor for vertical installations.

    • @stevepailet8258
      @stevepailet8258 3 месяца назад

      @@gareon54 like any mounting just depends upon how one mounts them landscape or portrait and how they are fastened to the ground .. Being a sailor for a very long time I can tell you wind is a lot more powerful than most folks realize

    • @igorpupkinable
      @igorpupkinable 3 месяца назад

      Which researches? Can you post a link to a research? You could have made this all up.

  • @paulwayne8576
    @paulwayne8576 2 месяца назад

    I wonder if the ground was white would it reflect more and stay cooler.

  • @goceignovski3365
    @goceignovski3365 3 месяца назад

    Are you comparing with HORIZONTAL or INCLINED panels?

  • @annasargar4995
    @annasargar4995 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks

  • @ianbuilder
    @ianbuilder 14 дней назад

    heat.

  • @railfan8094
    @railfan8094 12 дней назад

    Misleading title too much hue ad cry for mere 2.5% still useless for rooftops as hailstorm will rip apart sopar panels

  • @SkyRiderJavelin
    @SkyRiderJavelin 3 месяца назад

    Taking too long to get to the point. I give up

    • @renewable_energy
      @renewable_energy  3 месяца назад

      Sorry for that. The video is devided in many chapters, so you may go directly to your interested part.

  • @GregHighPressure
    @GregHighPressure 4 месяца назад +2

    you cant go comparing bifacials with normal systems.. bait bait

    • @scottmcshannon6821
      @scottmcshannon6821 4 месяца назад +1

      soon we will no longer have single sided, everything will be bifacial. they work better everywhere you would put single sided panels.

    • @ForbiddTV
      @ForbiddTV 2 месяца назад +2

      @@scottmcshannon6821 Not where most people put them - on roofs.