How to Play EVERY Bot Lane Matchup in Season 12!
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so a melee adc with a melee support is two abondend children in the botlane
sometime botlane is just an orphanage
Tell that to Leona Taric Botlane.
@@TheIncredibleHieb You mean the permastun duo?
@@fengliu975 I’m dead 😭😭😭💀
Yasuo nautilus
Actually love the commentary, has the perfect tone
Support: Me big mummy, me stro... *proceeds to die*
ADC: I need this caster minion or i lose la.... *proceeds to die*
I think the main issue being regarded with the first point is that most people have been put into the mindset of "Get Level 2 first at all costs before the opponents" and so they take these unnecessary risks for a spike that might not even work
And yet the flip side of this is to auto concede lane before it even started by playing way too “safe”. In melee versus enchanter support matchups this is understandable, but especially in enchanter versus enchanter matchups I personally think it’s almost trolling to give over wave control for no reason, because it essentially makes it so that one support can play the game and the other just can’t. This happens regularly with the Karma’s, Lulu’s and Soraka’s I get, where the difference between good and bad players is night and day. People that play like that have put themselves in the exact opposite mindset that you talk about: “Just play safe and scale.” Thing is, you give up any agency you might have had over the first 25 minutes of the game and basically resort to just praying that the enemy makes mistakes.
There is some truth in what you're saying but as a Sylas sup I do NEED my lvl 2 to have an extreme powerspike.
Ironically skill capped has made like 3 videos on the importance of getting 2 first.
It’s not completely wrong, level, a level two champion should always beat a level one champion. The problem is when melee sups don’t respect ranged sups and play too aggressively and get chunked out while they both hot lv 2 first, meaning the ranged sup and adc can usually all in and first blood with ignite.
Lv 2 trade Is One of the most important what do you mean, i saw so many waves being controller as shit, you Just have to do First wave 2 meele Minions or 3 caster and you have lv2 while i saw how a lot of people wanna complain when the answer Is before your eyes, lv 2 advantage, helps farming, prio for jungle invade or crab, deep warding and possibly roaming. But yeah if you play soraka to Watch your team win the game for you while you Just spammed w and have 2 nerves working, then don't even try to do a play
It should be:
1: Melee engage supports
2: Range supports
3: Bard.
4: Yuumi
5: Pyke cause he just leaves lane and never comes back
6:Rakan
@@crashka5860 this is for bard actually
Shaco support falls under Bard support
if the ADC is like a parent caring for his child, then the support is like a son sending all his money to his old pop to make it out of the hospital in time for the team-fights 😂
This is the dynamic I strive for as an ADC. Thx for understanding
Thank you so much for the video Ezreal ♥️🏆!
01:16 - Start of Video
01:59 - Melee Engage Supports (Goal: Preserve HP + Set up the Wave in the Middle of the Lane)
03:25 - Bad Example (Plat Elo) - Mistakes Support: (Engaging lvl 1, getting poked too much), ADC: (not letting wave get pushed into tower)
05:45 - Good Example v1 (Master Elo) : Let enemy laner push and crash the first 4 waves while farming safely (preserve HP), 07:00 - 5th wave (lvl 3) all in
08:55 - Good Example v2 (when you have better wave clear) - Push and crash first 3-4 waves, afterwards let wave bounce back to default position and fight lvl 3.
10:05 - Ranged Support Goal: Build Minion Advantage
11:27 - Bad Example (ADC: NOT hitting the wave)
12:48 - Good Example
14:00 - Correct Ward Positioning
14:48 - Parallel Trading Technique
15:07 - Bad Example (Plat Elo) - ADC and SUPPORT NOT staying Parallel to each other (ADC too forward, Support too backward)
16:19 - Good Example (Chall Elo)
5:27 there is absolutely nothing wrong with this "awful engage" if Samira held her passive Lulu would've been knocked towards their turret and Samira could've then used her passive to kill her. :)
Champion specific knowledge is meaningless is videos like these
I don't understand your message
Yeah it was a free kill if samira knew her kit
@@candy6852 That's not a thing, you can't say that autoattacking at the right time is unreliable.
The samira didn't have to flash forward, if instead of aa'ing on the alistar q she would've done it on his w and walked forward lulu doesn't even flash because she's dead regardless.
Sure, a video that's meant to help people hit gold and plat shouldn't involve insanely mechanical stuff, but if you can't play your champion don't play it in ranked.
@@candy6852 ???? You can't disregard autoattacking no matter how hard you wish to focus on a concept. Samira uses her passive by autoattacking
Engage supports: let wave push and should preserve health for an all in at lv3
Ranged supports: push wave and poke providing vision
Bard: why not both?
Someone stole your comment, so, uh.. good job for 70ish total likes on your comment!
Wow he had 70? That downvote tumble is rough
The level 3 rule doesn't really apply for most melee supports, it's mostly an Alistar thing. Naut and Blitzcrank are extremely dangerous level 1, Pyke/Thresh can get some really favourable trades even before level 2 if they hit a hook, Leona usually wants to engage level 2 and Rell engages level 1 or 2 depending on enemy positioning/matchup.
Even with Alistar you can engage level 2 if the enemy doesn't back off quickly enough and you haven't lost too much health.
true level 2 alistar actually scary
The level 3 thing is blatantly false, *BUT* it's a good rule of thumb for players who probably won't be able to apply a more complete understanding of how it all works. Sadly, this is most players (probably including myself. Not trying to be on a high horse here) so it's generally good advice to tell ADCs that engage supports are useless till 3, just don't go telling engage supports they're useless till 3.
Yeah I think blitz peak is level 2 q + e
The Ali engage is a free kill too but Samira interrupted the W knockback with her passive
@@marsvoltian Exactly, Alistar tried to push lulu into the tower, if wasn't for Samira's rush they could get a kill there.
5:48 took me a while to realize the wrong botlane was shown XD but this vid was a real eye opener, thx!
This is actually funnier to watch on Mother’s Day LMFAO. “Raised her Pyke to be a strong man.” I felt that cheek pinch 💀
The triangle thing is annoying when the adc dont understands it...
I had an adc flaming for not attacking the enemy adc, while i was way t far away from both, because he overextended
An ADC flaming the Sup for not engaging is honestly one for the books
Okay, I will comment this: if u you know that sup is autofilled and want to avoid interaction with the enemy, just perma push and stay back until next wave, like sivir. This also allows the sup to roam, this can be done by some adcs, like ez, sivir, varus. You might want to do that with melee sups if you keep losing 2v2s.
I'm a silver player and surely can't understand everything, but it's kinda confusing when in one episode you talking about cheater recalls or lvl 2 engages, and in another advice is to let the wave push and try to get lvl3
experiment in your games. or rather apply what you learned and see the difference yourself. Sometimes it goes well when you cheater and supp roams, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes waiting for lvl 3 by tower is better.
You essentially have scenarios provided. There are ideal scenarios and there are "my soraka is standing by tower". They show in this video how you should play the matchup in an ideal scenario and what to do in "real". For us as players, it's to recognise if our support/adc knows the ideal scenario (you can talk in draft if you want synergy/gameplan) and plays accordingly. 4:57 and 13:23 are similar scenarios from similar matchups showing what happens if you don't play them ideally. If you find yourself as an adc in this position it's on you to ping them off before it can happen. You can type in chat "wait hp" or "full hp" (while farming) or fully explain when dead/walking from base.
You should consume these topics on the channel as concepts that can be divided. Having the full list will be convoluted so it's better to establish your own relationship and mindmap of how you look at these concepts because while a cheater recall can net you an item advantage, would sticking around to bait a failed gank be better so your jungle can do stuff top side (or help your jungle for a crab fight, etc).
It really is a lot if you just absorb it as theory but when you actively practice it you'll make the links in your head much faster and understand advanced concepts later on.
When one team has a melee support and the other has a ranged support, the team with two ranged champions will typically have a large advantage in trading and wave control at level 1. Melee supports need access to 2 or 3 abilities before they can really perform, so it's difficult for the melee support to get to level 2 first since their level 1 pressure is so low.
If you have a melee support and your opponent has a ranged support, but they had to leash at level 1 and you didn't, you can usually push for level 2 and look for a fight with the level advantage. However, if neither of you had to leash (or you both had to leash), you'll usually have to concede wave control early.
The same principle applies in solo lanes. Ranged champions will, in most cases, have wave control for the first couple levels. The melee champion has to minimize damage taken and wait for their tower to clear out the slow-pushed wave while they get to level 3, then they can look for trades or all-ins.
Hope this helps.
It depends mostly on which side can push faster with their abilities. The other side's adc auto rate also matters in your decision making
lvl 2 powerspike trades are generally great if you can actually get to lvl 2 first before the enemy laners safely. You have to get the right balance of aggressiveness and safety since even if you get lvl 2 first at cost of 50% of your support's hp, then there would be no point to the spike. But if you somehow managed to get lvl 2 first without losing too much hp and cooldowns, then that's the perfect scenario for you to engage all-in. You'll get a sense of it through experience
@@mubumubu5975 well said good sir
5:27 Samira also stopped the alistar push back into the tower with her passive lmao XD
When I first looked I questioned why lulu didn’t get knocked under turr.😮 thank you for clearing that up. Now I know why I was stuck bronze but was in matches with gold players. My mechanics are good but my macro was dog shit.
Tbh that first alistar engage was rly clean, the Samira cancelled the knock back into turret by alistar W with her passive. That woulda been a kill on lulu
"It hurts to let go a minion."
-Kayle
What do you do if you're with a support who will never stop shoving the wave and will tilt if you type anything asking them to stop?
If they won't stop just push the wave and go back to tower, unless you don't have vision, then just let the wave push into you
@@doglopmaz what if they keep pushing every wave and even take minions
@@kbmats then just report and go next, not much you can do about it
@@kbmats Pull the uno reverso on the support and say "gg, im permaroam, useless support".
Realistically go get deep vision by yourself and try to track the enemy jungler and help whenever you jungler is in the area (IF you can; you need to collect a wave at your tower). Unless they are autofilled support or got their ego hurt (intentionally taking minions), they'll know and respect that the adc needs the farm.
If it's a melee support doing that, go next.
that’s why i love ranged damage supports. they don’t seem to rely on your adc not knowing/listening to wave control. not as reliant as having a good wave, like Nautilus and Leona are.
and blitzcrank can hook opponents who are under their tower, makes him S rank in low elo for so long.
going to start the ranked journey soon be sure to check it out
yup, but at late game phase a fed sup does not carry a game like a fed jinx
One if the reasons I like amumu support is that you have a really strong level 1 and 2 and the three is just okay. So you can go in even level 1 since you have 200 dmg and 2 seconds of CC on your two Q's
Instructions unclear:
Auto-ed a minion once for slow push
ADC is now 0/6/0 with mobi boots dancing in the enemy base
I can always rest in peace knowing everything wrong with my mechanic is Hector's fault
With supports like, blitz, 3sh, pyke whoose habilities interact with minions. Isnt worth to keep the wave pushed so they can engage?
i love being taught by ezreal himself
Hi, weird coincidence maybe but I am 99% sure I am the senna player in the replay on duo ranged supports… is the Sennas username Madiemma?? That would be hilarious but also incredibly helpful to know if that is my replay.
Lmao what's the region?
@@maxmeza4471 North America
Your bot lanes arguing brought back memories lol. See, I learned to play LoL in China when I was teaching there. I had a Chinese teacher friend use his national ID and created an account for me to spend nights gaming away. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, a total foreign noob walking in Chinese LoL. I had successfully integrated the English interface to the Chinese servers using "how to" available online. I stepped in the arena 2014, or so.... I saw the birth of Jinx.
But I could not read, or write Chinese. I'd try to tell them, in English the best I could. I took Soraka as my initial champ, I love healing in most games and I thought I'd enjoy that one. Soraka at the time was a different beast, The healer, but a very different animal. Bot was the position I could call in English pre game.The pings that I've got on the map was pretty overwhelming at first, ADCs going insane typing in Chinese and pinging the map. Me = wtf? I finally got the message along the many games and a few English speakers that trying to kill minions was bad. I was sooooo NOT happy about that fact, I needed gold too!! I also learned that hitting minions all the time is bad, that's called pushing. Taking the kill, which banana girl was simply not equipped for, the crime of all crimes. I got over the fact that I had to pay for the damn wards out of the gold I couldn't get, never bought any, they reminded me every game. I still can't last hit to this day. I pretty much sucks at the other roles, but I'm a Chinese trained supp. I'll keep you alive or die trying, ADC gets the glory.
I STILL ban Blitz to this day...
If you play Wild Rift too, add me. I need a consistent support like you 😂
I've recently found the hardest problem is that my teammate in the bottom (ADC or sup) often doesn't understand wave control (I'm not good at it either but some of these guys have NO self-awareness) and they will simply try to kill as many minions as possible, hard pushing to the tower with only a couple of casters every time. Asking them to stop and play more passively rarely works and they'll lose the lane due to a lack of slow pushes and freezes.
This. I'm an ADC main, and playing it has made me aware of so many things that help me support well, too. And I'm nothing special, but just understanding the dynamics put you soooo far ahead than most of these clueless players. The problem is that you must have double awareness - for you and for them - when you end up being paired with them.
I believe that if most supports had experience playing ADC too, a lot of the quarrying in Bot would be solved. Sometimes it DOES only takes to be in someone else's shoes 😂 and any relationship should see eye to eye
Wait so what should zeri have done in the morgana caitlyn clip?
ADC and Support is like an old married couple arguing but forced to stay together
As a jhin lover, thank u for teaching me how to be able to play adc in dimand. I wasn t able to get Out of top and jung. Love u
These videos help me get a point in my hardstuck games to tell my adcs that they are fkin wrong when they tell me im useless so i can respond with valid arguments, thanks ezreal
Another problem many MANY ADC's make that is difficult for me as support, is allowing the wave to crash. It's good to let the wave come to you, bad to let the ENTIRE wave come to you and lock you under tower.
Edit: Reset the lane back to the middle of the lane again
Biggest Facts here.
I believe this dynamic here - letting it crash but not entirely and resetting it to the middle in proper timing for engagement - is the hardest one to succeed at as an ADC.
We need one for Top Lane
I legit wish Ezreal to speak a bit in his Ezreal accent in Skill Capped videos.
Lol the opening reminded me of what I dealt with other other day . I had a sivir who had quite a few stories I could share but lemme tell you my fav . This guy say in the bush an watched me fight at turret til I was redlined an I left so he jumps out of bush Qs at them an ults an immediately runs towards their turret an dies of course then goes on a rant about how I'm shit 🤣 I had both of them low also 🤣
ty now i won every matchup all day long climbed from bronze to diamond its unbelivable how great this channel is thanks!
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But wait…. What if the other bot lane also watches this guide? Then who wins?
It's a tie
Will probably depend on macro or mechanics for the hero then.
@@axvent012 this isnt dota
@@vroomzoom4206 yea, I know. Which is why it matters more on the lane because we can't freeze the creeps with jungle monsters.
this video really helped me seeing Lol with a new eye
Love the commentary!! Well done and great guide :D
You know the footage truly is coming from a match when you see the team bicker in chat. Classic League teams
Alright so summary:
Two types of support: Range, Melee
Melee:
1. Stay healthy: Let opponent push and farm under tower to level 3 (don't take caster if lose health, don't take melee if lose too much health too) or push to get minion advantage when you have better wave clear champ
2. Set up easy-to-engage wave: Thin the wave and let it push or push it to the middle so that the melee support can engage and not lose too much health
Ranged:
1. Get minion advantage: Push to get minion advantage for range support to poke safely
2. Take parallel trades: Position so that you and your support can both attack an opponent, if support is not forward with you play back with them until the opportunity to parallel trade comes up
Notes: Remember to ward deeper when pushed into the opponent side
yay Skill capped YT channel has given some love to ADC players. POGGERS
the entire babysitting rant is exactly how i feel as a support tbh. specifically with more aggressive adc's tho. this was lovely to watch.
edit: the sivir example was perfect. in situations like those i always feel like i should have just played enchanter.
Tbh I always viewed the Bot Duo relationship as that - SUP is parent, ADC is the growing child -, but for the purpose of the video I believe it made perfect sense for it to be the opposite until level three. And then it reverts to the child taking care of their old folk until we can bail the family out later on with retirement money or heirlooms 😂😂😂
I am a bit lost. This guide tells me to play safe for level 3 and let them push in as a kill lane, when all the time I heard about getting level 2 first. What changed?
5:08 did samira cancel alistar W with her passive?
Yes, it probably cost them the kill too.
Anyone else feel like blitz should have a separate category?
Yes blitz is melee and an engage support but we can also bring the enemy to us. The more minions the enemy has to hide behind the less useful we are. Yes theoretically allowing enemy minions to stack up could allow you to pull them into turret but most adcs aren’t dumb enough to stick around if blitz is there. Unlike Leona and naut, his range skill doesn’t go through minions so that wall of enemy minions makes him relatively useless.
4:10 so I assume that hitting the wave here is only bad because the push is equal (and jinx has overpowered pushing capabilities lv1).
But if Lulu/jinx leash, would you not want to get the push and look to lv2?
Or is that asking too much from the Alistar? Presumably in platinum, he'd know- right?
"your support is dababy" nice... freestyling those combos
Hang on, at 05:10. Did Samira's passive cancel Alistair's Knock Back into Tower or why didn't it work? I bet this would be i decent play if lulu landed in the Tower
I love how this video is explained it is really funny, I could watch videos like this all day xD
I just want to know why is it that even when bot lane dominates lane so hard, the top side of the map (jg, mid and top) decide to just run it, do people not know how to identify win cons? Like how do you manage three other people's egos? I get that everyone wants to be the hero, but what can you do when you're like a 7/0/2 jinx and a 2/0/7 nautilus facing a 8/0/6 aatrox, 8/0/8 yi and a 6/0/3 akali? Like how do two fed botlaners face off against 3 fed solo laners and 3 tilted teammates?
You just have to accept that your game is lost and it's partially your fault, chosing to SoloQ. The 40-60 is one of the only truth about SoloQ, because when you queue up, you agreed to let 4 random people, out of your reach, have an impact negatively or not in your game. League of legend is not meant to be played like that at it's core and every players need to accept the paradox that is SoloQ. The best way to mentally enforce it, is to accept the 40-60 rule (40% of your games are lost no matter what, the other 60 depends on you and you need to understand when you're in a "60%" game), to queue up to improve rather than to win, never looking at games in term of LP' gains or any kind of metrics beside the maths behind your improvments or play as a group of 5 that have a clear goal and want to improve as a team, the way the game is intended to be played.
Alistar engage at 5:00 was brutal, but the aa of samira with passive fuck it up
And in the vision of the support if im playing and engage support and my adc is permapushing should I roam?
the chat at 13:45 perfectly describes the average league experience
I do not envy you skillcapped. You make such good eduo content, and there's just so many unintelligent people who make excuses to pretend that your content isn't helpful. I guess they are unfixable.
I love it !!! But...where is the rengar,garen and master yi support category?
Any chance you can do a pick guide? Meaning when to pick what kind of support etc pp? (Yes I know no hard counter blabla bleh ;) )
This was actually useful. Thanks, bro!
Yesterday I played a Kai'sa game with Rell as my support. I understand what you're trying to say woth this Parent-child relation, but wth am I supposed to do if my Rell is level 5, 0-4, roaming minute 14 while I'm level 10. Am I a bad parent if my child decides to jump off a bridge without showing any signs about what's he gonna do.
this was sooo useful , what a well detailed guide nicee
Had a match as a Jinx, support karma, enemy Draven and soraka. My support deiced to trade with the draven level 1, root thing start, in minion wave and died and flame me not follow up. Karma end up 0/11/0 in lane, and fed draven, and he can one shot all of us just 1 auto
Everyone: My support sucks. Me: Free meat shield.
I love the skill capped content, but I'm having issues finding match-up or champion specific content on the website
Usually just que fill and it's almost always ADC I get put into
I hate it
I love the content and want to join you guys but i have a problem i only have ideal to pay and no credit card or paypal.. can you guys make another option to pay with ideal?
Whats the track called ? It's so chill.
5:09 is not alistar fault, if u see carefully alistar press flash Q and when he try to W to make lulu dive samira enable her passive too early so she save enemy lulu
No. Alistar trolled the whole lane phase along with Samira. It's just that Lulu trolled even harder. If you don't realize that, you're missing the point of the video.
5:10 could have been really great if Samira didn't ruin Alistar's play. Alistar Flash Qd into Lulu and then used W to push her into tower. Samira both reacted too late, wasting the entire knockup from Alistar Q, and also canceled Alistar W with her passive, completely neutralising Alistar's playing and allowing Lulu to get away
so in other words please stop blowing up all the minions, lux
But it’s so satisfying seeing them all pop at once 😅
@@melanne5379 Stop blowing all the minions, Lux
my absolute favorite when i build up a slowpush with f.e. ezreal and my lux/zyra/bard/morgana dmges down the wave and i lose like 5cs and the enemy get like 10 minions which can be easily farmed..... 😑
Okay, but what if the adc knows nothing about wave management? I literally was playing leona and my adc pushed the wave (not even full shove), and I became useless. I told him to shove or let the enemy push but he kept the wave in that awkward position that makes me useless. What should I do in this case as a support? Should I just stand in this lane doing nothing or go roaming? In both cases I'm losing my advantage.
If you roam your adc will die, so you basically afk until you need to safe your adc because of their over extension.
im in love with the way he tells the whole thing
Now, do the same video but in the support perspective (also am i the only one with a deja vu feeling?)
Yeah, they already made a video like this some time ago that was very similar, my guess is that they decided to update it
The gameplay has already been discussed for both roles so why?
5:50 showin samira+ ali instead of ez+zyra?
Of your playing Tristana Leona Bot, " parenthood phase" can be cut short i guesse :D
When I ping assist on the minions to help prevent the wave from crashing, they ping ?
I just noticed the Alistair engage could have actually scored them a kil if samira was more patient and didn't cancel the Alistar w push with her passive
Spoiler: 16:34 Is not korean challenger, the numbers in korea server are in a different font. Nice lie.
How do you play vs taric lee sin?
Lmao the stock-footage exchange is SO real
Hilarious.
this actually helped
This is why I don’t play bot anymore, sometimes I still get filled support. In those cases I usually just end up roaming, sometimes I get a good adc and I’ll stick by them.
Loved a video, need one for top
How do you build a Championpool as a Team?
I am the support that is simultaneously awful but better than my ADC.
I call it The Bronze Paradox
its strange like how I knew most of this stuff by experience . but still mess up sometimes during mid and late game.
Well it hurt me as a support when I poke the enemy bot lane and my adc is just farming like a bot, also I hate it when my adc stay in the middle of the lane just because they don't look the map or don't pay attention of my ping...
Well I say that I have a bad supp when they start playing nasus supp. Like how do you do that
I started playing Pyke mid and have noticed a trend with casters: In general, they just arent worth the gold early on. It's better to miss them gaining XP and preserving hp early on. Is this the case or am I misreading things?
caster in general are squishy, mostly they will try to keep health
but in the other hand, because they ARE caster, they poke the shit out of you
as an unable-to-play-assasin-player, I just want to poke you dead and also back off when I shouldn't, that how caster player should do
What about my trundle zilean bot lane? How do you play against that
why does he sound like a chilled ezreal
Cause he is. Literally Ezreal's voice actor
5:05 Samira cancels alistar w with her passive on lulu
For the first couple minutes I thought it was Ezreal running this tutorial
Does this still apply to Season 14?
Cait morg is a oke combo. But morg en jhin damn that is scary. Morg use w on someone jhin root and morg get a free q and they both all in
6:55 ??????????????????????????
Nothing more infuriating than a support that just sits back in the lane refusing to play, but when you call them out they've concocted the thought that *you* are the one doing everything wrong, and they're doing great because they're full hp and are not dying -_-
Frrrr
Ishit you not, im coming back to say this video single handedly let me win lane every time as a adc
who do you play mainly?
@@sakuracloud__ samira or zeri
0:08 no it not, I don’t think the support adc meta happens till about 2 years after it came out… maybe 3
What about Taliyah. I play only Taliyah. As a support.
Hit w, kill, repeat
Just poke the enemy adc as much as possible and push the wave by keeping it bigger
In that case stay away from me you nasty Mage-player-who-pretends-he-is-Support
@@walkelftexasranger i used to play Lulu, and even Bard tho >:c But after i tried Taliyah, i simply can't have the same fun levels as i get when playing Taliyah.
@@projectsanctuary7944 Can't blame you tho I play Brand Supp when I am autofilled