The “Green Chord” from Wicked is also the exact same chord as the 5th bar from the “Main Title” in Wizard of Oz. Except “Main Title” has a flat 7th (F) above the bass G.
@@Keith_Horn God I love that moment, I actually somehow never caught that Bb. There's a similar sonority in the 2nd bar of the Overture from Snow White, Eb#5/Db. I would love to hear your take on the final chord from the piece "Far Into The Forest" in that film.
I'm not sure what changed with youtube's algorithm now showing smaller creators in the top few recommendations, but I'm glad it shared your video; I love this series!! I have a recommendation for a listen, and that's the Drakengard 1 OST. I don't have a chord in specific, but in the song that I think most exemplifies the chaos of the whole soundtrack, Ending C, there are plenty of extremely dissonant moments to pick from if you ever considered that song. Hopefully you enjoy it, regardless; it's not a sunny day, convertible top down, cruising down the highway type of compositions, but I think you'll appreciate the insanity going on in it! Just for some context, the gameplay itself isn't much to write home about; it was a hack and slash in a time when Dynasty Warriors was killing it and everyone wanted a piece of that pie. The storry, the meta story, and the soundtrack are al what makes that game stand out, as you follow an unreliable narrator tell a story of "heroism" until you continue playing. The more you play, the more you realize you're controlling a psychopath with no sense of morality, and the games begs the question of the main character multiple times (but is really asking the player...) "do you really want to keep going? Do you need to know how this story ends? It won't be a happy ending." And the soundtrack is quite fitting of a story so directionless and horrifying.
Man this video is awesome. I'm guessing RUclips fed it to me as a Dream Theater nerd and a musician. I'd like to give feedback, but honestly I have no constructive criticism! Perfect length, very to the point, engaging all the way through, super informative, the way information is displayed is flawless. I love how a big part of the video was drawning common threads through diverse musical settings, and the point at the end hit so well because you had already done such a good job of "showing instead of telling". Guess I gotta subscribe now
Hello! Really love this series Keith. Do keep it up! Anyhow, watching this video I couldn't help but to ask if one could also think of this chord as being F7+11, derived from Lydian Dominant, fourth mode of the melodic minor. It would have root F, third A, natural seventh Eb, the ninth G and sharp eleventh B. In my head, and the way the chord is voiced, that seems to make a bit more sense, but perhaps I'm mistaken. I'd love to know what you think about this! Best regards, Lamberilio
Thanks for watching! Sure it could be thought of that way as well. I'm all for multiple ways of conceiving of a chord. Whatever brings the easiest understanding for each person.
The second I saw the album cover I knew it would be this chord! I love DoT, I'd say it's easily my favourite Mangini-era album and sounds like the most fun, spontaneous record they did with him. Pale Blue Dot is my favourite track on it and the instrumental section just blows my mind :D
I would definitely think of that chord as an F9#11 and not an F9b5. My rationale for that is that it's pretty common in jazz to leave out the 5th when playing 9th and 11th chords. So I don't see the B as replacing the 5th and being a b5. I see it as replacing the 11th. Also, if you're going to play the whole tone scale over it, you're by definition dealing with a raised 4th/11th. I know this is a bit of quibbling, but I don't feel it's as musically accurate to call it a b5.
Please more DT! When you were writing the chord for Muppet Babies, how did you come up with it? Was it part of your vocabulary, was it part of kinda like "let me check what other soundtracks translated this feeling before", was it like "let me get by ear the sound that I'm hearing in my mind". What what's the process?
Enjoy your breakdowns and insights muchly, Keith. Glad to be a new subscriber. Ditto on Dream Theater. ♪♫♪
Thanks so much for watching!
The “Green Chord” from Wicked is also the exact same chord as the 5th bar from the “Main Title” in Wizard of Oz. Except “Main Title” has a flat 7th (F) above the bass G.
Nice! It also has a Bb which weirds it up s bit.
@@Keith_Horn God I love that moment, I actually somehow never caught that Bb.
There's a similar sonority in the 2nd bar of the Overture from Snow White, Eb#5/Db.
I would love to hear your take on the final chord from the piece "Far Into The Forest" in that film.
@@MichaelWhelanMusic I'll give it a listen. Thank for the recommendation, dude!
Keep it up! I just started learning Harmony and found your channel, love it!
Thank you! All the best on your journey into harmony.
I'm not sure what changed with youtube's algorithm now showing smaller creators in the top few recommendations, but I'm glad it shared your video; I love this series!!
I have a recommendation for a listen, and that's the Drakengard 1 OST. I don't have a chord in specific, but in the song that I think most exemplifies the chaos of the whole soundtrack, Ending C, there are plenty of extremely dissonant moments to pick from if you ever considered that song. Hopefully you enjoy it, regardless; it's not a sunny day, convertible top down, cruising down the highway type of compositions, but I think you'll appreciate the insanity going on in it!
Just for some context, the gameplay itself isn't much to write home about; it was a hack and slash in a time when Dynasty Warriors was killing it and everyone wanted a piece of that pie. The storry, the meta story, and the soundtrack are al what makes that game stand out, as you follow an unreliable narrator tell a story of "heroism" until you continue playing. The more you play, the more you realize you're controlling a psychopath with no sense of morality, and the games begs the question of the main character multiple times (but is really asking the player...) "do you really want to keep going? Do you need to know how this story ends? It won't be a happy ending." And the soundtrack is quite fitting of a story so directionless and horrifying.
I'm glad you're enjoying the series. Thanks for the recommendation - I'll give it a listen!
Man this video is awesome. I'm guessing RUclips fed it to me as a Dream Theater nerd and a musician. I'd like to give feedback, but honestly I have no constructive criticism! Perfect length, very to the point, engaging all the way through, super informative, the way information is displayed is flawless. I love how a big part of the video was drawning common threads through diverse musical settings, and the point at the end hit so well because you had already done such a good job of "showing instead of telling". Guess I gotta subscribe now
Thanks! Appreciate the kind words!
Hello! Really love this series Keith. Do keep it up!
Anyhow, watching this video I couldn't help but to ask if one could also think of this chord as being F7+11, derived from Lydian Dominant, fourth mode of the melodic minor. It would have root F, third A, natural seventh Eb, the ninth G and sharp eleventh B. In my head, and the way the chord is voiced, that seems to make a bit more sense, but perhaps I'm mistaken. I'd love to know what you think about this!
Best regards,
Lamberilio
Thanks for watching! Sure it could be thought of that way as well. I'm all for multiple ways of conceiving of a chord. Whatever brings the easiest understanding for each person.
The second I saw the album cover I knew it would be this chord! I love DoT, I'd say it's easily my favourite Mangini-era album and sounds like the most fun, spontaneous record they did with him. Pale Blue Dot is my favourite track on it and the instrumental section just blows my mind :D
Such a great record!
With that chord they are going for the King Crimson Discipline sound - love these videos
My favorite KC album!
@@Keith_Horn have you caught any of the Beat tour? I hope they bring it over to the UK
@@aivoryuk I've only seen videos - so fun!
cool!
Amazing videos those of you!
Thank you!
I would definitely think of that chord as an F9#11 and not an F9b5. My rationale for that is that it's pretty common in jazz to leave out the 5th when playing 9th and 11th chords. So I don't see the B as replacing the 5th and being a b5. I see it as replacing the 11th. Also, if you're going to play the whole tone scale over it, you're by definition dealing with a raised 4th/11th. I know this is a bit of quibbling, but I don't feel it's as musically accurate to call it a b5.
Makes sense to me! Thanks for the breakdown.
Please more DT!
When you were writing the chord for Muppet Babies, how did you come up with it? Was it part of your vocabulary, was it part of kinda like "let me check what other soundtracks translated this feeling before", was it like "let me get by ear the sound that I'm hearing in my mind". What what's the process?
It's a chord I've used for many years - I think I first noticed it in Bruce Broughton's work but I'm sure I heard it in Debussy before that.
I actually hear it as a G9#5 in third inversion, as I hear the F wanting to descend an the third of C minor🤔...
Anyeay I love this series!
Interesting! I’d like to hear the full resolution of that.
I also find myself being annoyed by Rizzo!
Haha!