@freebeerfordworkers There is no more swastika in the Finnish Air Force flag, but it is still in Air Force Squadron flags. Also, interestingly, you can see a swastika in the official flag of the president of Finland and in some high-ranking medals.
FAF had 97 Fokker DXXIs, only 7 built in the Neatherlands, 90 licence built in Finland. Only one plane (FR-76) was actually armed with two 20 mm Oerlikon FF cannons plus two 7,7 mm MGs. It was not Sarvanto's plane... His plane FR-97 as all other Finnish DXXIs were armed with four rifle caliber MGs. The Oerlikon FF had quite low muzzle velocity and rate of fire (600 m/s 500 rpm) and the magazine took only 60 rounds. The sole "Cannon-Fokker's" (FR-76) Oerlikons were removed and replaced with MGs during the Winter War. Sarvanto (nickname "Zamba") served in FAF until 1960 when he retired with the rank of Lieutetant-Colonel. He died in October 1963. An other Finnish pilot mentioned here, Kauko Ikonen served in FAF until may 1947. He was killed in an accident on the 9th of May 1947. For reasons still unknown his "Myrsky"-plane (Finnish made fighter) dived and crashed in a field SW Finland in the municipality of Nakkila. Pilot's body was never found, he together with more solid parts of his plane was buried so deep in the soft soil that after digging more than 10 meters down it was decided to level the pit and put a cross on top.
@@aviationdeepdive Sorry, your info is incorrect. Originally all 7 Dutch made Fokkers came with installation option for cannons, but only one had these weapons installed. On the 31st January 1938 C-in-C of FAF gave order to abandon cannon armament and denied their future use on Fokkers. Finnish build D-XXIs were made in several batches, first domestic order was 14 planes, soon added with 21 planes - these 35 items were known as "series II and III" (Original Dutch planes were series I). Original order 7 planes was ordered late 1936 and received in October 1937. First licence series was ordered in May 1937 and second series only one month later in June 1937. Later Finland got unlimited licence from Fokker and built the big series IV, 50 planes, the order was made in September 1939. Unfortunaltely Bristol Mercury engines were unavailable, so Pratt & Withey Twin Wasp Junior were used (not so good option, but...). These planes were know as "Wasp-Fokkers" and because of less powerfull engines they were seen more as reconnaissance planes than fighters. The Wasp-Fokker had several modifications, t.ex. all MGs were wing-mounted, electric-system was new, there was an armoured pilot's seat, self-sealing fuel tanks etc. Last series compeleted was V, only 5 planes, ordered August 1943. A series VI of 5 planes was ordered October 1943, but cancelled before any planes were completed. Sure, these planes were very much outdated that time... I do not know if there are reliable source books in English, the ones I used are in Finnish.
@@CanetCinema2024 Sorry about that, I do as much research as I can and it seems in this case the internet gave wrong information. Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated in updating websites like wikipedia and various websites to improve the accuracy of historical accounts - it would also be much appreciated by people like me who read them. On a sidenote I do plan on doing videos on Finland in the future, and having some Finnish historiographers would be greatly appreciated - I could ask advice and such before making future videos, our discord community can be found here: discord.gg/8PSvQTYB
@@CanetCinema2024Your info coincides with my Dutch info. I'm not quite shore of the kill to loss ratio for the Finish D21. Was it 16/1? Another seeming old Fokker the C10 biplane also did stirling recon jobs via using a cleaver tactic of crossing the stick and rudder when a Russian fighter tried to take a lead. At that moment dive straight down and pull up towards the attacker. As I understand none were shot down by air to air combat. The C10 lasted the duration and I believe some were built in 1944 to replace some attricion losses.
@@CanetCinema2024 Correct, according to my information, the only order of D.XXIs that were all built with with 20mm cannons (Madsen in this case) were the Danish ones.
Awesome video!!! Finland is a beautiful country, I have visited two times and my family and I loved it !!Ukraine is fighting hard like this! Finland and Ukraine are amazing countries,
I've also drawn a parallel between Finland and Ukraine fight against the much bigger Soviet Union/Russia. Really courageous fighters, thanks for watching!
This year a newly built Fokker D21 was granted it’s Certificate of Airworthiness in my home country the Netherlands. A legendary aircraft has returned to the skies.
There aren't any babushkas (grandmothers) alive anymore in Ruzzia who would tell the relatives that attacking Finland is a very bad choice indeed. I'm thankful beyond words what my grandfathers did to defend our country. Kiitos (thank you) Niilo & Ake
Somebody might have commented about this already, but finnish Fokker DXXIs were armed only with four cal.7,7 machine guns. No cannons, Danish and dutch had those versions. In the beginning of Winter War there was only about 40 DXXIs in service. During the war France gave Finland some 30 Morane-Saulnier 406/410 fighters, 30 Gloster Gladiator II were bought from Britain as 12 Hurricane MkIs, (Britain didn't sell more Hurricanes, they need them thenselves too) By the way, Kuopio is in eastern Finland by the way - the target of those planes which Sarvanto shot down. Sarvanto's squadron was Lelv (Flight Squadron)24, not Lelv 4 There was actually nine of them when they took off, but one turned back cause of engine failure and another was shot down by Archie already on the way in. Sarvanto caught bombers and attacked when they were returning and shot down 6 as said. Last one escaped of him cause he ran out of ammo and was attacked by Sovelius who claimed a kill - which it actually was too, badly damaged Iljushin managed to get to the clouds, flew back to Estonia where it made an forced landing
7.92mm Brownings actually, FiAF used a lot of different calibers in aircraft armament depending on where the planes came from/what guns were available, Fokkers had 7.92mm, British planes .303" British, French planes 7.5mm (until replaced), Buffalos came with 12.7mm and .30-06 (latter removed), Soviet planes 7.62x54mmR and 12.7mm, Germans with 7.92mm, 15mm, 20mm and 30mm, I believe towards the end FiAF standardized on 7.92x57mm for rifle caliber guns & 12.7x99mm (& to a lesser extent 12.7x108mm when 12.7x99mm guns weren't available) for heavy machineguns on everything except Messerschmitts & 13x63mmB and 20x82mm on Messerschmitts.
Don´t be confused with finnish blue white swastika. The finnish one is older than german, our came from sweden as good-luc-charm of swedish count, who donated the first aeroplane of finnish airforce.
I said exactly the same thing when I saw a thing about the top Finnish ace. Sorry I can not spell his name. Ilmari Jutlingen? They claimed if they showed the swastika they would be be banned.I said they {Finland] was use it a couple of years beforeThe NSDAP was first formed with about 6 members.I have a model of his ME109, his book Double fighter knight and an aviation print of him Dog fight Russian Lend lease P40s in his Buffalo signed by him. Best wishes from Australia.
@@douglasclark1439 We Finns are proud of our Blue Swastika under which our heros fought the Russians in two wars. Nothing to do with the Nazi swastika which was taken in use later.
On January 6, 1940, Captain Jorma Sarvanto set a world record with FR-97 by shooting down six Iljushin DB-3 bombers in four minutes. The seventh was saved by running out of MACHINE GUN CARTRIDGES, not cannon ammunition because the fr-97 was only equipped with machine guns!!!! The Fokker piloted by Lieutenant Per-Erik Sovelius shot down the last one over the Gulf of Finland. Only for one (1 machine) FR-76...82. (NOT FR-97 which was Jorma's title) FR-76 had 20 mm wing cannons as a test type .
This video is superb!!! Many thanks! But: Jorma Sarvanto's squadron was LeLv 24 or Flight Squadron (Lentolaivue) 24, not 4. His mount was coded FR-97, it had black rudder marked with white "2". In beginning of this video was yellow color marked Fokker. That was not correct during Winter War. The yellow Easten Front identification color was in use during Continuation War 1941 - 1944, when Finland was fighting with Germany. German Luftwaffe too used yellow front color in their eastern front. Jorma Sarvanto served in Finnish Air Force Staff from October 1941, acted as chief of test pilots, was commanded to Germany between July 1942 and January 1943. He then returned to Finland and was flight leader in Squadron 24. After several military serving during the war, he was leading HLeLv 21 (Fighter Squadron) after war. During war-time he flew with Brewster B-239 fighter too. His final tally was 16,83 destroyed and 5 damaged in 251 combat flights.. His decorations were Vapauden Risti classes 3 and 2 (Freedom Cross). He was military attachee in London too, and finally led KarLsto (Karjala Wing) as wing commander. Sarvanto retired from duty in June 1960 as lieutenant - colonel. He passed away 16th october 1963. We can't imagine how the Estonian people felt, when they saw how their own (then independent) soil were used as bases of Soviet terrorist bombers... We can't imagine how the bloody Soviet bomber unit's commander felt, when noticing that none Stalin's Eagles (fu**ing vultures) ever returned from killing damned White bandits (valkobandiitti)...!
Thanks for the info, Sarvantos aircraft is not the one that appears first - it is the one that intercepts the seven bombers later on - and it is correctly represented as FR-97 with the 2 on the rudder.
Grandi eroi , onore e gloria a loro, hanno avuto il coraggio di fare la guerra all’URSS eppure li hanno affrontati senza paura e procurando a loro perdite ingenti, che popolo!!!👏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️❤️
Small correction. Finnish Fighter Squadron 24 was part of Flight Regiment 2 not Regiment 4. 2x number indicates that it must belong Regiment 2.Regiment 1 was recon regiment, regiments 2 and 3 was fighters and regiment 4 was bomber regiment. Flight Squadron 26 had some Fokker D21 at the beginning of winter war but soon those planes moved to Squadron 24. Here in Finland we don't have regimental tradition, unit got named and renamed by organisational restructuring or byrocratical whim.
Swastika you see in pictures origin is from SWEDEN. Von Rosen family give first ever airplane to finnish army and it is marked with Von Rosens swastika.
Yes it was his good luck singn. It was taken as emblem of FAF in 1918. Later sister of Von Rosen`s wife Mary, Carin Fock met one H. Göring in Sweden 1920 while he was hired to fly Von Rosen. Carin married him 1923. She died in 1931. Because Von Rosen and Göring were "related" through their wifes`s form early 20`s to 1931. Göring most likelly got familiar with Von Rosen`s good luck symbol... The rest is history? Nazi`s adopted the symbol later in 1920´s. Von Rosen and the FAF swastika had/has nothing to do with the nazi`s. But most likelly Göring stole the symbol and presented it to Hitler later... So symbol was stolen... The nazi`s and nazi-party was created much later than it was started to be used by Von Rosen and FAF. It is originally very old goog luck singn used in India, Midle East and Europe for more than thousands of years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika "After World War I Göring remained in aviation after the war. He tried barnstorming and briefly worked at Fokker. After spending most of 1919 living in Denmark, he moved to Sweden and joined Svensk Lufttrafik, a Swedish airline. Göring was often hired for private flights. During the winter of 1920-1921, he was hired by Count Eric von Rosen to fly him to his castle from Stockholm. Invited to spend the night, Göring may at this time have first seen the swastika emblem, which Rosen had set in the chimney piece as a family badge." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring
Nice to see a video about this! I think his biography had more detailed description of the fight, his movements and when he got hit. If I recall correctly he did shoot some of the rear gunners before aiming for the engines for example, letting him do the accurate shots that allowed him to shoot down so many. But it's been a while since I've read that so might be remembering wrong. (or he might have himself remembered wrong for his biography, I'm not sure what accounting you based this on)
Great vid about a little-known ace! As an aviation enthusiast and aspiring pilot, I grew up inspired by the Aces’ exploits and they were why I tried to join the USAF! Could you do more Ace stories?!! I have some suggestions if you do: Ralph Hofer: Maverick of the 8th Air Force (USAAF) Hans-Joachim Marseille: The Star of Africa (& a real-life Maverick) (Luftwaffe). Erich Rudorrfer: Centurion of Jagdgeschwader 54 who shot down 13 Russians in 17 minutes(!) (Luftwaffe) George Beurling: Falcon of Malta (RAF, Canada). Jim Swett: Marine Wildcat who shot down 7 Japanese dive bombers in his first combat. To name a few!
@@davidwedlock2622 Not on German side. Finland fought against Russia. It was not up to Finland that Germany betrayed their ally Soviet Union in 1941 thus making Soviet Union a common enemy. Germany to conquest more land, Finland to keep Soviets out from it's territory.
how were such great videos taken then for us to see now and that Language I never heard such,,,as I think it really to be difficult to learn. What a man and flyer!!!!
Nope, enormity **can** mean something bad, but like a great many words it has different meanings, and also simply means "large size or scale." i.e. ""I began to get a sense of the enormity of the task". Look up the definition.
They are historically accurate Finnish air force insignia. It predated Naziism and has literally no correlation - it's just a design coincidence. I don't believe in censoring things anyway.
@@aviationdeepdive We Finns are proud for our Blue Swastika we took in 1918. Under that badge we fought off the Russians in two wars. We could of course not deny German nazis from taking the same badge in their own use later in 1921. For some consolation they had it black and tilted.
Arab Israel war . Bangladesh Squadron leader Saiful Ajam fought ferociously against Israel Air Force . Shot down & destroy 4/5 Israeli Fighters with high technic. Long live Sir Saiful Ajam !
Not to be a smartass, but winter war isn't always considered by everyone a part of the second world war, but something like a prelude. I guess this was by then a record of sorts anyway.
In the "secret clause" of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 8/23/1939 (the non-agression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union) Finland -- along with the Baltic Countries and Romania -- was defined as belonging to the Soviet sphere of influence while Stalin gave Hitler a free hand with Poland, the idea being to return to the pre-1914 situation where the Baltic Countries, Finland and eastern Poland were part of Imperial Russia and parts of western Poland belonged to Germany. Germany and the Soviet Union attacked Poland in September and divided the country between them, which brought about a declaration of war on Germany (but not on the Soviet Union!) by Britain and France on 9/3/1939. The Winter War was thus directly tied to German-Soviet military cooperation during the beginning of WW2 and began some three months after the Anglo-French declaration of war, which is commonly seen as the beginning of WW2. Finland received some aid and volunteers from several of the Allies during the Winter War, although no declarations of war against the Soviets were forthcoming as Finland did not have a defence pact with any other country (as Poland did). The Winter War cannot be considered a "prelude" to WW2 as it took place after the war had already begun and the battle for Poland was certainly a part of the war. Some people tend to think of WW2 actually only beginning when Germany attacked France on 10/5/1940, but this would also diqualify the Norwegian campaign as "part of the war" since it began a month earlier.
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 What does this have to do with what I stated? And why was this posted as a response to my comment? World war two began with the invasion of Poland according to most histories. Continuation war was Finlands part in it according to them. That was when our airforce really got up to speed, in 1941. The russkies had it coming.
@@herptek You commented that the Winter War isn't considered by everyone to be a part of WW2. I attempted to show how the Winter War was a later result of the developments that led to the invasion of Poland and consequently to WW2, and thus very much a part of the greater scheme of things. It might have been even a greater part if Sweden had allowed the expeditionary force planned by Churchill to cross into Finland from Norway (which would have entailed an Allied buildup in Norway before the German invasion!). You call it a prelude. I would point out that a since a prelude is supposed to precede the first act, the Winter War wasn't one since it began three months after the first act, i.e., the invasion of Poland and the subsequent declarations of war. Some people also only consider theatres where Britain, France or the US were involved to be "parts of the Second World War". Soviet Russia, when it attacked Finland, was already a "participant in the war" after its earlier attack on Poland, so any other military activities that it was involved in during WW2 should logically be also considered "part of WW2".
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 No allied power declared war on the Soviet Union for invading Poland. It wasn't a participant in the world war when it invaded Finland. Of course, it got away with that too. Now, I'm sure you know this, but for some reason you seem to be ignoring it. The allied powers did not intervene in Finland and what ifs are useless. France and Britain came to be allies with the Soviet Union. Britain eventually went so far as to declare war on Finland during the continuation war. The winter war was a prelude for Finlands participation in the second world war.
The Finnish were forced to form an alliance of emergency to protect themselves against the Soviet scurge. It was not an alliance of ideology. In fact Finland expressly protected its entire Jewish population and said that Germany could not even lay a finger on them, or the alliance was over. Furthermore, the Swastika on Finnish aircraft was the insignia of the Finnish Air Force since BEFORE Nazis even existed, so the symbol has no connection.
I am from Kuopio, the city the shot down soviet bombers bombed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuopio Those planes Sarvanto shot down were returning after the attac to their base in Estonia. My family lived in Kuopio during the war. My grandmother was at her work in office of "Saastamoinen LTD." near by the marketpalce in city center. She left her work after the alarm, because she was "Lotta" - part of women`s volunteer military auxiliary force as part time air defence volunteer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd Russians shot civilians at the marketplace by machineguns from these bombers while flying over the market. My grandmother and civilians managed to press next to buldings walls in crossroad of Kauppakatu and Hallikatu. The bullits hit roofs, eaves and walls of the houses just over their heads. The old uncle of my grandmother broke his hand during that same boming. He had heard the bombers and decided to evacuate to a bomb shellter from his home. Hie was just opening the door of the house when airburst of the bomb dropped hit (The bombs were 250 kg ?). His hand was left betveen the door and the doorframe when the bomb pressure hit. The hand was broken by the door. So not lot of love lost for destiny of that shot down bomber group. They got what they deserved? During the Winter war city of Kuopio was air raided five times. Total live lost was approx 43 persons. 116 buildings were destroyed/suffered destruction during 105 days of that war.
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The Finnish AF used the Swastika long before the Nazis. The Fins continued to use it into modern times.
And it had nothing to do with the nazis! Period! Lots of countries used that symbol before the jerrys originally a sun, harmony symbol from india
@freebeerfordworkers jews ruin everything
@freebeerfordworkers There is no more swastika in the Finnish Air Force flag, but it is still in Air Force Squadron flags. Also, interestingly, you can see a swastika in the official flag of the president of Finland and in some high-ranking medals.
FAF had 97 Fokker DXXIs, only 7 built in the Neatherlands, 90 licence built in Finland. Only one plane (FR-76) was actually armed with two 20 mm Oerlikon FF cannons plus two 7,7 mm MGs. It was not Sarvanto's plane... His plane FR-97 as all other Finnish DXXIs were armed with four rifle caliber MGs. The Oerlikon FF had quite low muzzle velocity and rate of fire (600 m/s 500 rpm) and the magazine took only 60 rounds. The sole "Cannon-Fokker's" (FR-76) Oerlikons were removed and replaced with MGs during the Winter War.
Sarvanto (nickname "Zamba") served in FAF until 1960 when he retired with the rank of Lieutetant-Colonel. He died in October 1963.
An other Finnish pilot mentioned here, Kauko Ikonen served in FAF until may 1947. He was killed in an accident on the 9th of May 1947. For reasons still unknown his "Myrsky"-plane (Finnish made fighter) dived and crashed in a field SW Finland in the municipality of Nakkila. Pilot's body was never found, he together with more solid parts of his plane was buried so deep in the soft soil that after digging more than 10 meters down it was decided to level the pit and put a cross on top.
Thanks for the info.
It seems that 35 license built Fokker DXXI-3s were produced in Finland, all of which were armed with 20mm cannons in the wings.
@@aviationdeepdive Sorry, your info is incorrect. Originally all 7 Dutch made Fokkers came with installation option for cannons, but only one had these weapons installed. On the 31st January 1938 C-in-C of FAF gave order to abandon cannon armament and denied their future use on Fokkers.
Finnish build D-XXIs were made in several batches, first domestic order was 14 planes, soon added with 21 planes - these 35 items were known as "series II and III" (Original Dutch planes were series I). Original order 7 planes was ordered late 1936 and received in October 1937. First licence series was ordered in May 1937 and second series only one month later in June 1937.
Later Finland got unlimited licence from Fokker and built the big series IV, 50 planes, the order was made in September 1939. Unfortunaltely Bristol Mercury engines were unavailable, so Pratt & Withey Twin Wasp Junior were used (not so good option, but...). These planes were know as "Wasp-Fokkers" and because of less powerfull engines they were seen more as reconnaissance planes than fighters. The Wasp-Fokker had several modifications, t.ex. all MGs were wing-mounted, electric-system was new, there was an armoured pilot's seat, self-sealing fuel tanks etc.
Last series compeleted was V, only 5 planes, ordered August 1943. A series VI of 5 planes was ordered October 1943, but cancelled before any planes were completed. Sure, these planes were very much outdated that time...
I do not know if there are reliable source books in English, the ones I used are in Finnish.
@@CanetCinema2024 Sorry about that, I do as much research as I can and it seems in this case the internet gave wrong information. Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated in updating websites like wikipedia and various websites to improve the accuracy of historical accounts - it would also be much appreciated by people like me who read them.
On a sidenote I do plan on doing videos on Finland in the future, and having some Finnish historiographers would be greatly appreciated - I could ask advice and such before making future videos, our discord community can be found here: discord.gg/8PSvQTYB
@@CanetCinema2024Your info coincides with my Dutch info.
I'm not quite shore of the kill to loss ratio for the Finish D21.
Was it 16/1?
Another seeming old Fokker the C10 biplane also did stirling recon jobs via using a cleaver tactic of crossing the stick and rudder when a Russian fighter tried to take a lead. At that moment dive straight down and pull up towards the attacker. As I understand none were shot down by air to air combat. The C10 lasted the duration and I believe some were built in 1944 to replace some attricion losses.
@@CanetCinema2024 Correct, according to my information, the only order of D.XXIs that were all built with with 20mm cannons (Madsen in this case) were the Danish ones.
Awesome video!!! Finland is a beautiful country, I have visited two times and my family and I loved it !!Ukraine is fighting hard like this! Finland and Ukraine are amazing countries,
I've also drawn a parallel between Finland and Ukraine fight against the much bigger Soviet Union/Russia. Really courageous fighters, thanks for watching!
@@aviationdeepdive nicely put! I’m a ww2 addict and I had no idea Finland had a ace that fast! Learn something new everyday in the history books!!
@@brandonray8409 The Finns were definitely an incredible fighting force in ww2, definitely planning to cover more stories from them in the future.
@@aviationdeepdive they are great people , if you ever plan a overseas trip , Finland 🇫🇮 is beautiful
@@aviationdeepdive they are great people , if you ever plan a overseas trip , Finland 🇫🇮 is beautiful
Well done, doing the narration in Finnish! That is professional.
Thanks, I thought it would add a little more depth to have authentic radio chatter!
@@aviationdeepdive I appreciated that too! Thank you and it was good voice acting!
Awesome job. Good mix of recreated footage and historic photos for context.
Thankyou so much!
That MG Gunner in the beginning is my grand dad.
I have no idea how this was made, but it was absolutely marvelous. Thank you.
This made Sarvanto Finland's top ace of the Winter War
Emblem of the Finnish Air Force: Quality replaces quantity. Today, we have our wonderful friends from the Viking countries supporting us as well.
Great video. I always loved that Fokker D-XXI. It was a beautiful little fighter plane, even if it was a bit obsolete.
Totally agree there!
Only obsolete if not flown by great pilots!
This year a newly built Fokker D21 was granted it’s Certificate of Airworthiness in my home country the Netherlands. A legendary aircraft has returned to the skies.
The one ability that every great fighter pilot from every country had was the ability to use amazingly few rounds to take down a target.
Absolutely astonishing content quality! Keep it up.
There aren't any babushkas (grandmothers) alive anymore in Ruzzia who would tell the relatives that attacking Finland is a very bad choice indeed. I'm thankful beyond words what my grandfathers did to defend our country. Kiitos (thank you) Niilo & Ake
Huippu homma ja toi teidän puhe radiossa kuulostaa samalta kuin näinä. Ainoa vaa, että te Herrat teittie sen sodassa.. Kiitos Teille!
Somebody might have commented about this already, but finnish Fokker DXXIs were armed only with four cal.7,7 machine guns. No cannons, Danish and dutch had those versions.
In the beginning of Winter War there was only about 40 DXXIs in service. During the war France gave Finland some 30 Morane-Saulnier 406/410 fighters, 30 Gloster Gladiator II were bought from Britain as 12 Hurricane MkIs, (Britain didn't sell more Hurricanes, they need them thenselves too) By the way,
Kuopio is in eastern Finland by the way - the target of those planes which Sarvanto shot down. Sarvanto's squadron was Lelv (Flight Squadron)24, not Lelv 4
There was actually nine of them when they took off, but one turned back cause of engine failure and another was shot down by Archie already on the way in. Sarvanto caught bombers and attacked when they were returning and shot down 6 as said. Last one escaped of him cause he ran out of ammo and was attacked by Sovelius who claimed a kill - which it actually was too, badly damaged Iljushin managed to get to the clouds, flew back to Estonia where it made an forced landing
7.92mm Brownings actually, FiAF used a lot of different calibers in aircraft armament depending on where the planes came from/what guns were available, Fokkers had 7.92mm, British planes .303" British, French planes 7.5mm (until replaced), Buffalos came with 12.7mm and .30-06 (latter removed), Soviet planes 7.62x54mmR and 12.7mm, Germans with 7.92mm, 15mm, 20mm and 30mm, I believe towards the end FiAF standardized on 7.92x57mm for rifle caliber guns & 12.7x99mm (& to a lesser extent 12.7x108mm when 12.7x99mm guns weren't available) for heavy machineguns on everything except Messerschmitts & 13x63mmB and 20x82mm on Messerschmitts.
Again, another great, detailed ad well researched presentation!
Thanks so much!
My father saw this when he was a child. He said once that if then he could have own a cellular phone, what a video that could been....
Don´t be confused with finnish blue white swastika. The finnish one is older than german, our came from sweden as good-luc-charm of swedish count, who donated the first aeroplane of finnish airforce.
Yea,whitout german help allies would have fucked us up and made us colony of soviet union.
I said exactly the same thing when I saw a thing about the top Finnish ace. Sorry I can not spell his name. Ilmari Jutlingen? They claimed if they showed the swastika they would be be banned.I said they {Finland] was use it a couple of years beforeThe NSDAP was first formed with about 6 members.I have a model of his ME109, his book Double fighter knight and an aviation print of him Dog fight Russian Lend lease P40s in his Buffalo signed by him. Best wishes from Australia.
@@douglasclark1439 Olli Puhakka was my relative,he was a fighter ace.
@@juhopuhakka2351 I salute him. Best wishes.
@@douglasclark1439 We Finns are proud of our Blue Swastika under which our heros fought the Russians in two wars. Nothing to do with the Nazi swastika which was taken in use later.
This is quality stuff! Keep 'em coning.
On January 6, 1940, Captain Jorma Sarvanto set a world record with FR-97 by shooting down six Iljushin DB-3 bombers in four minutes. The seventh was saved by running out of MACHINE GUN CARTRIDGES, not cannon ammunition because the fr-97 was only equipped with machine guns!!!! The Fokker piloted by Lieutenant Per-Erik Sovelius shot down the last one over the Gulf of Finland. Only for one (1 machine) FR-76...82. (NOT FR-97 which was Jorma's title) FR-76 had 20 mm wing cannons as a test type .
My grandfather saw this battle going from the roof of their house. One of the crash sites of the bombers is close by where I live now
This video is superb!!! Many thanks! But: Jorma Sarvanto's squadron was LeLv 24 or Flight Squadron (Lentolaivue) 24, not 4. His mount was coded FR-97, it had black rudder marked with white "2".
In beginning of this video was yellow color marked Fokker. That was not correct during Winter War. The yellow Easten Front identification color was in use during Continuation War 1941 - 1944, when Finland was fighting with Germany. German Luftwaffe too used yellow front color in their eastern front.
Jorma Sarvanto served in Finnish Air Force Staff from October 1941, acted as chief of test pilots, was commanded to Germany between July 1942 and January 1943. He then returned to Finland and was flight leader in Squadron 24. After several military serving during the war, he was leading HLeLv 21 (Fighter Squadron) after war.
During war-time he flew with Brewster B-239 fighter too. His final tally was 16,83 destroyed and 5 damaged in 251 combat flights.. His decorations were Vapauden Risti classes 3 and 2 (Freedom Cross).
He was military attachee in London too, and finally led KarLsto (Karjala Wing) as wing commander. Sarvanto retired from duty in June 1960 as lieutenant - colonel.
He passed away 16th october 1963.
We can't imagine how the Estonian people felt, when they saw how their own (then independent) soil were used as bases of Soviet terrorist bombers...
We can't imagine how the bloody Soviet bomber unit's commander felt, when noticing that none Stalin's Eagles (fu**ing vultures) ever returned from killing damned White bandits (valkobandiitti)...!
Comprehensive. Thank you.
Thanks for the info, Sarvantos aircraft is not the one that appears first - it is the one that intercepts the seven bombers later on - and it is correctly represented as FR-97 with the 2 on the rudder.
Sarvanto's plane was armed with four 7.7 mm MGs only.
Grandi eroi , onore e gloria a loro, hanno avuto il coraggio di fare la guerra all’URSS eppure li hanno affrontati senza paura e procurando a loro perdite ingenti, che popolo!!!👏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️❤️
Small correction. Finnish Fighter Squadron 24 was part of Flight Regiment 2 not Regiment 4. 2x number indicates that it must belong Regiment 2.Regiment 1 was recon regiment, regiments 2 and 3 was fighters and regiment 4 was bomber regiment. Flight Squadron 26 had some Fokker D21 at the beginning of winter war but soon those planes moved to Squadron 24. Here in Finland we don't have regimental tradition, unit got named and renamed by organisational restructuring or byrocratical whim.
Good job on this.
From the narration to the video itself, the quality of your videos is great! Youve got my support!
That's very kind, thankyou!
Swastika you see in pictures origin is from SWEDEN. Von Rosen family give first ever airplane to finnish army and it is marked with Von Rosens swastika.
Yes it was his good luck singn. It was taken as emblem of FAF in 1918. Later sister of Von Rosen`s wife Mary, Carin Fock met one H. Göring in Sweden 1920 while he was hired to fly Von Rosen. Carin married him 1923. She died in 1931. Because Von Rosen and Göring were "related" through their wifes`s form early 20`s to 1931. Göring most likelly got familiar with Von Rosen`s good luck symbol... The rest is history? Nazi`s adopted the symbol later in 1920´s.
Von Rosen and the FAF swastika had/has nothing to do with the nazi`s. But most likelly Göring stole the symbol and presented it to Hitler later... So symbol was stolen... The nazi`s and nazi-party was created much later than it was started to be used by Von Rosen and FAF. It is originally very old goog luck singn used in India, Midle East and Europe for more than thousands of years.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
"After World War I
Göring remained in aviation after the war. He tried barnstorming and briefly worked at Fokker. After spending most of 1919 living in Denmark, he moved to Sweden and joined Svensk Lufttrafik, a Swedish airline. Göring was often hired for private flights. During the winter of 1920-1921, he was hired by Count Eric von Rosen to fly him to his castle from Stockholm. Invited to spend the night, Göring may at this time have first seen the swastika emblem, which Rosen had set in the chimney piece as a family badge."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring
Great video as usual!
Nice to see a video about this! I think his biography had more detailed description of the fight, his movements and when he got hit. If I recall correctly he did shoot some of the rear gunners before aiming for the engines for example, letting him do the accurate shots that allowed him to shoot down so many. But it's been a while since I've read that so might be remembering wrong. (or he might have himself remembered wrong for his biography, I'm not sure what accounting you based this on)
The Finish line also had Gloster Gladiator the last biplane fighter
The DB-3 bombers had nearly same max. speed than Fokker. Impossible take other shooting position than rear.
Finishing my Heller kit of a XXl in Finnish markings. Nice looking plane.
Animation graphique très réussie. Bravo.
Good video but Kuopio is in eastern part of the country not west
Kuopio is not in Western Finland. It is in the Eastern Finland.
Very nice digitally created movie.
Those pilots had sisu! Imagine if the FAF had faster fighters!
Great vid about a little-known ace! As an aviation enthusiast and aspiring pilot, I grew up inspired by the Aces’ exploits and they were why I tried to join the USAF!
Could you do more Ace stories?!! I have some suggestions if you do:
Ralph Hofer: Maverick of the 8th Air Force (USAAF)
Hans-Joachim Marseille: The Star of Africa (& a real-life Maverick) (Luftwaffe).
Erich Rudorrfer: Centurion of Jagdgeschwader 54 who shot down 13 Russians in 17 minutes(!) (Luftwaffe)
George Beurling: Falcon of Malta (RAF, Canada).
Jim Swett: Marine Wildcat who shot down 7 Japanese dive bombers in his first combat.
To name a few!
...there is a new built one currently flying in the Netherlands...check out FOKKER D21 Hoogeveen...😁
Excellent stuff! Here, have a sub. 😁
Ah, You talking Flying Squadron 4 (misspelling) not regiments but information is valid. Cheers.
Thank you
As a finn i wouldnt say -9 degrees to be freezing but just cold
The definition of freezing is below 0 degrees lol
@@Alexandros11 true
incredible pilot
Cannon? Uh uh. 4 mg only. Just adds to the feat.
Kas kas Jorma Sarvannon maailmanennätys on otettu tuubiin.Siinäpä monelle ihmeteltävää
Mutta ei Kuopio Länsi Suomea ole😅😅😅
@@infernalstormrider *Vihaisia Savolaisääniä*
Alexandros really been sneakily having two channels lmao
What's this man talking about? 🤔
There was not cannons,only 7,7..
Finnish sisu at the best
les soviétiques n'avaient pas de radio à bord en 1939
The picture used in the introduction is actually from the end of the Lapland War, after Finland threw the German's out of their territory.
After fighting on the German side for most of WW2
@@davidwedlock2622 Not on German side. Finland fought against Russia. It was not up to Finland that Germany betrayed their ally Soviet Union in 1941 thus making Soviet Union a common enemy. Germany to conquest more land, Finland to keep Soviets out from it's territory.
He wasn't the first ace of WW2, Stanisław Skalski was.
Seems a plucky country is punishing the Russian aggressor today.
Exactly right!
But at the end Finns did lost some territory for good , didn't they?
@@emeralddragongaming2930 so?
@@Pekokakko so , people can be born , land cannot
@@emeralddragongaming2930 well, if you compare the size of our countries, not to mention military power, I'd say did pretty well 😐
How did you edit your footages to have that sort of colours??
@@kuckoo9036 well i knew it was war thunder footage but i can't get the colors to work right at all
You guys should look into the French ace? Whose kills included at least 2 brittish planes? Vichy French in the Levant??
2 twin mm cannons?
That does NOT tell the caliber!
Probaly 20 mm cannons?
Yes it was a typo, they are 20mm cannons
4 × 7,7 mm Browning machineguns
You are assuming cause a one fokker was ordered with cannons others MG s
Finnish Fokkers on the front did not have any cannons.
how were such great videos taken then for us to see now and that Language I never heard such,,,as I think it really to be difficult to learn. What a man and flyer!!!!
What # of mm cannons?
As the Finnish countryside was littered with the shattered hulks of Communist Bombers.
You don't know what "enormity" means. It means excessively bad. Shooting down 6 enemy bombers is anything but that.
Nope, enormity **can** mean something bad, but like a great many words it has different meanings, and also simply means "large size or scale." i.e. ""I began to get a sense of the enormity of the task".
Look up the definition.
You play warthunder I see.
what's with the swasitkas?
They are historically accurate Finnish air force insignia. It predated Naziism and has literally no correlation - it's just a design coincidence. I don't believe in censoring things anyway.
@@aviationdeepdive We Finns are proud for our Blue Swastika we took in 1918. Under that badge we fought off the Russians in two wars. We could of course not deny German nazis from taking the same badge in their own use later in 1921. For some consolation they had it black and tilted.
Arab Israel war . Bangladesh Squadron leader Saiful Ajam fought ferociously against Israel Air Force . Shot down & destroy 4/5 Israeli Fighters with high technic. Long live Sir Saiful Ajam !
War thunder is free😂 jk, Finland is strong💪🏻
Lived in Soviet Union. Never heard this story 😂😂
I don't think Soviets were too eager to tell of the successes of the Finnish fighters.
Well, Soviets never tell the truth to their people...
I have a feeling that this is not the only thing that the Soviet Union failed to tell its citizens...
Orcs are Orcs no matter which war it is.
How can you butcher the words so badly...
Not to be a smartass, but winter war isn't always considered by everyone a part of the second world war, but something like a prelude. I guess this was by then a record of sorts anyway.
In the "secret clause" of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 8/23/1939 (the non-agression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union) Finland -- along with the Baltic Countries and Romania -- was defined as belonging to the Soviet sphere of influence while Stalin gave Hitler a free hand with Poland, the idea being to return to the pre-1914 situation where the Baltic Countries, Finland and eastern Poland were part of Imperial Russia and parts of western Poland belonged to Germany. Germany and the Soviet Union attacked Poland in September and divided the country between them, which brought about a declaration of war on Germany (but not on the Soviet Union!) by Britain and France on 9/3/1939. The Winter War was thus directly tied to German-Soviet military cooperation during the beginning of WW2 and began some three months after the Anglo-French declaration of war, which is commonly seen as the beginning of WW2. Finland received some aid and volunteers from several of the Allies during the Winter War, although no declarations of war against the Soviets were forthcoming as Finland did not have a defence pact with any other country (as Poland did). The Winter War cannot be considered a "prelude" to WW2 as it took place after the war had already begun and the battle for Poland was certainly a part of the war. Some people tend to think of WW2 actually only beginning when Germany attacked France on 10/5/1940, but this would also diqualify the Norwegian campaign as "part of the war" since it began a month earlier.
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 What does this have to do with what I stated? And why was this posted as a response to my comment?
World war two began with the invasion of Poland according to most histories. Continuation war was Finlands part in it according to them. That was when our airforce really got up to speed, in 1941. The russkies had it coming.
@@herptek You commented that the Winter War isn't considered by everyone to be a part of WW2. I attempted to show how the Winter War was a later result of the developments that led to the invasion of Poland and consequently to WW2, and thus very much a part of the greater scheme of things. It might have been even a greater part if Sweden had allowed the expeditionary force planned by Churchill to cross into Finland from Norway (which would have entailed an Allied buildup in Norway before the German invasion!). You call it a prelude. I would point out that a since a prelude is supposed to precede the first act, the Winter War wasn't one since it began three months after the first act, i.e., the invasion of Poland and the subsequent declarations of war. Some people also only consider theatres where Britain, France or the US were involved to be "parts of the Second World War". Soviet Russia, when it attacked Finland, was already a "participant in the war" after its earlier attack on Poland, so any other military activities that it was involved in during WW2 should logically be also considered "part of WW2".
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 No allied power declared war on the Soviet Union for invading Poland. It wasn't a participant in the world war when it invaded Finland. Of course, it got away with that too. Now, I'm sure you know this, but for some reason you seem to be ignoring it.
The allied powers did not intervene in Finland and what ifs are useless. France and Britain came to be allies with the Soviet Union. Britain eventually went so far as to declare war on Finland during the continuation war.
The winter war was a prelude for Finlands participation in the second world war.
@@herptek So you are saying that Germany's attack on Poland was a part of WW2 but Russia's attack on Poland was not?
Finland 1939: same situation would be repeated in 2022 in Ukraine: 2 great and brave people and countries.
FinNazi's disgusting
The Finnish were forced to form an alliance of emergency to protect themselves against the Soviet scurge. It was not an alliance of ideology. In fact Finland expressly protected its entire Jewish population and said that Germany could not even lay a finger on them, or the alliance was over. Furthermore, the Swastika on Finnish aircraft was the insignia of the Finnish Air Force since BEFORE Nazis even existed, so the symbol has no connection.
Do I have to tell you how Soviet Union allied with Nazi Germany, divided Europe together and started WW2 or do you have enough brain power to GTFO?
I am from Kuopio, the city the shot down soviet bombers bombed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuopio
Those planes Sarvanto shot down were returning after the attac to their base in Estonia. My family lived in Kuopio during the war. My grandmother was at her work in office of "Saastamoinen LTD." near by the marketpalce in city center. She left her work after the alarm, because she was "Lotta" - part of women`s volunteer military auxiliary force as part time air defence volunteer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd
Russians shot civilians at the marketplace by machineguns from these bombers while flying over the market. My grandmother and civilians managed to press next to buldings walls in crossroad of Kauppakatu and Hallikatu. The bullits hit roofs, eaves and walls of the houses just over their heads. The old uncle of my grandmother broke his hand during that same boming. He had heard the bombers and decided to evacuate to a bomb shellter from his home. Hie was just opening the door of the house when airburst of the bomb dropped hit (The bombs were 250 kg ?). His hand was left betveen the door and the doorframe when the bomb pressure hit. The hand was broken by the door.
So not lot of love lost for destiny of that shot down bomber group. They got what they deserved? During the Winter war city of Kuopio was air raided five times. Total live lost was approx 43 persons. 116 buildings were destroyed/suffered destruction during 105 days of that war.
It was better than Lewandowski who scored 6 goals in 9 minutes...LOL 👍👍👍