This is what i was expecting from season 1. You can have a crazy story, go nuts with time travel and everything but can we also have more of this. It doesn't all have to be explosions, drama and people getting killed left and right like in every other tv show out there. It can be story and character driven just like TNG was. Please and thank you.
You will get few character driven scenes with a showrunner like Kurtzman. He's a hack like Braga was in the 90's with Trek or anything else he touches.
It's so serialized now, the plot advances at a crawl. A whole season covers only as much story as one old two-parter from TNG. In theory they have time for so many more character moments like this one, but they don't use that time wisely. Instead they stuff it full of filler and drawn-out mystery box bullshit.
Cant you recognise Lame people "Going through the Motions", from the successful, genuine article ? This entire production is by people so desperately afraid of their own ideology, they will support Child Torture just to avoid its rabid, vindictive, passive aggressive nature, solely in order to keep on making money. And never connect (or purposely ignore) the two or realise just saying NO, in the first place, would have insured the positions they are currently desperate to retain, in such a volatile Market, THEY CREATED where you can be rendered unemployable by a angry and frustrated Mob of Morons, who want to lash out at everyone else, for their own intellectual impotence.
@@billvolk4236 Yes true. I will say I do miss the old stye TNG where each episode was a stand alone story or maybe a two part etc. But now every show has to have a story that runs through the entire series it's annoying. That's one thing i really loved about TNG was because the episodes were stand alone it felt each week they were going somewhere new and actually exploring, it was great. That is one of the main reasons i love the Orville so much.
@@scandalasdog Another really important thing to remember: TNG took a long time to find its voice. All of season 1 and most of season 2 was awful. If TNG had been serialized like Discovery and Picard, telling only one story a year, it would never have had the time to experiment and get good.
Going from Sir Patrick's formal invitation to Whoopie on The View to this back-to-back is an immense wave of emotions. The tearful surprise followed by her slaying this scene about as hard as a reunion scene could possibly be, it makes me glad this show exists just for this moment. It's like the final fight of Kenobi. I could care less if the rest of the show is good in retrospect, it was worth it for one last duel and dialogue.
@@JoeyAllcornMusic The point of the first season was that it starts with both Picard and the Federation being in a really dark place. We're now seeing that due to what took place in the first season, both have recovered their true selves again. So this is now indeed the Federation as we want to see it. Well, until Q turns up with another of his alternative timelines!
yeah even though this show sucked in season 1 and looks like it's not improved at all in season 2, i am very thankful for this scene. Picard and Guinan always had some terrific scenes together Guinan was also really just one of the very best characters period
@@SR-iy4gg Exactly! Only the jaded think there there can't be without doing some sort of sexual Mambo. I know I'm "out there" but now that she's back at the exact moment Q sets things into motion. I always thought Guinan was the "Anti-Q" which is why Q feared/disliked her. I also think she served as Picard's intergalactic conscience as it related to things beyond him--- time travel (I mean she was there with him in the Nexus and pushed him to see beyond things, beyond the mathematical, analytical, LINEAR, logical and technological) interplanetary phenomenon, the symbiosis of all species and life and the nature of the Borg and other species, reality and even what it means to be human. She prodded him to be more than a captain, more than a mere human...but a legacy. She's the Blue Fairy to Picard's Pinnochio. And he would know as he literally died twice and was restored/reborn..
You do know they de-aged her by like 15 years for the scene right? The digital artists had such a hard time trying to de-age her to 2002 and couldn't do it they had to write in bs to run counter cannon to the non aging guinan. Lemme guess you believe Kamala is a great VP because you have to be that blind not to see you're being manipulated
@@xunheilvsnipezx3324 He says this as if it's a fact, but in truth he probably saw it on Reddit or 4chan or in his own butthole and is now repeating it. (as if the visual effects artists would be working on this scene while they're filming. What a joke.)
I admit I don't like Whoopi Goldberg outside of the acting realm, but Guinan is always one of my favorite characters to see on screen. She plays such a warm and wise person as Guinan. She was also the only one that could go toe to toe with Q and make him afraid.
I agree, not a fan of whoopi Goldberg either. And even discovery is abomination. If the franchise and Hollywood want to create such programing than that's fine. But I'm not the only one who sees it that way. There's more than enough others who have given up watching television and movies because of Hollywood's choices. It's not a small number. It's in the billion who want a source of entertainment that is not so bias. And there money is not worth anything to Hollywood.
@@Zer0.-_ wished I could, I never get over things. I watched star trek in the 1960's when I was a kid. So I'm kinda old. And I used to identify as a liberal. But the definition changed and I didn't. And don't want to what they call liberal now. It's a embarrassment now to be associated with being liberal. Bad things are on the way, and that Darrin thing will take care of it all. Young people that survive are in for a hard life. And they did it to there selfs. Well with the help of the politicians. I missed out on all the indoctrination when I was in grade school and college. So best of luck to you, if your young your going to need it.
I'm impressed Whoopi played the scene so well...Guinan wasn't in that many episodes, yet she clearly knows the character extremely well despite how long it's been, well done!
I’m not really sure if I like the “choose to age” explanation. I think a better explanation would have been “yes we do age slowly, until we don’t. After 500 plus years as we near the end of our lifespan, age finally starts to catch up with us.” This would show just how long El-Aurians live and that Guinan will die soon, but that doesn’t mean she’s not going to keep working.
This scene is everything that Star Trek Picard should be - his friends asking him to cut the bullshit and talk the truth w/ them. Cut out all the action scenes. I want 1000 more scenes like this in Season 3
OK this was a great scene. Old friends catching up, and Guinan actually calling out Picard. I've had conversations like this. I hope the rest of the series will be just as good if not better than this scene.
The biggest problem is obviously, and constantly overlooked because of the nostalgia ploy though... This, isn't, Picard... It's an Android that has been masquerading as him. Anyone like Q and Guinan with foresight and a broader understanding beyond the unseen, would know they are not talking to the flesh and blood they've known and grown with. Until the writers fix this idiotic choice, I cannot take this seriously.
one of many idiotic choices... the whole series needs to be ended and rebooted. call the whole series a Q experiment and the real federation,picard and all the characters can come back better than ever. get rick berman or someone who actually likes star trek to come back.
@@VictorythroughUnity59 That's kind of... closed minded. These are things philosophers have been debating for thousands of years, and still do, in Picard's time. Ship of Theseus is a really complex matter. It's the exact same brain geometry, the same neural patterns, the same memories, the same personality. Who's to say, that is not Picard? If everyone in the story, treats him as Picard, up to and including the people THAT MADE THE BODY AND BRAIN, say it's Picard, who are you to say it isn't him? They would know better than you, surely? Q, an actual god, says it is him. Even brings up that Dukat is the one that caused him to have a synthetic body in the next mirror-world episode. Surely the people that made the synthetic body and brain, and a literal GOD that can change ENTIRE UNIVERSE with the snap of a finger (and does), would know whether that IS Picard, or a robot pretending. Q didn't say "too bad you're a robot pretending to be, and so the lesson is wasted." Nope, he treats him exactly as Picard, because he is Picard. That's good enough for me!
@@VictorythroughUnity59 Actually, I have less of a Problem with Picard having an Android-Body than I have with him simply not *acting* like Picard for most of the time in this show. From the first episode, this was just Patrick Stewart doing his best Patrick Stewart-Impression.
The first time we see her in this scene brought tears to my eyes, so much happiness to have her back! And her laugh and smile at the end of the scene warmed my heart. This is why I love Star Trek so much, for moments like this.
Loved this scene, although I don't really think it's necessary to overcomplicate how long lived characters age. Guinan could have just been like, "The years catch up to me as well." We can accept that performers age and suspend some disbelief =P.
Me too. Instead he’s alone in the sense that Picard is isolated from everyone he served with on the Enterprise. Tending to his vineyard is a passion of his but it’s so unfair that he didn’t end up marrying Beverly Crusher and having kids. On the other hand perhaps Picard’s loneliness motivated him to go galloping the cosmos again. I hear that ‘Picard’ will wrap up after the conclusion of season three. Perhaps during the final season Picard will have a new family to love him and we’ll have a satisfying conclusion to this series.
@@bratton79 "Tending to his vineyard is a passion of his but it’s so unfair that he didn’t end up marrying Beverly Crusher and having kids. " I feel his pain....I'm 44 and never been on a date...any time someone finds out I have feelings for them, at best they want to be friends, but usually they don't want me in their lives anymore. So at least in terms of romance, it's a cold lonely universe out there for me too. It seems I face growing old alone, and dying surrounded only by medical professionals who are paid to be there.
A mind that reaching so far out into the the stars, seen and experienced such indepth wonders, Jean-Luc just can't settle with someone of this realm anymore. It's got to be someone or some entity that understands his ever expanding vision of existence and continues to make him explore that existence.
Guinan pushed him to live up to the challenge of being a legacy.. and of transcending what it meant to be human. If Data's goal was to understand/approximate being human, then PIcard had to go beyond being Q's Pinnochio... and to learn to cut the strings of human limitation as to what it means to be and transcend Starfleet. I saw Guinan as being Picard's "Anti Q". .. or his Blue Fairy.
I would be simultaneously grateful and scared to have my own Guinan in my life. The amount of wisdom (not just knowledge) that she could impart for me would be invaluable, however.. there would be questions I would be afraid to ask because those answers could be very painful, like questions about.. love..
What a fabulous scene with 2 great actors neither trying to outdo the other. There is a special bond between them both on and off screen. As for Whoppi she just wanted to be in Star Trek, even if all it was just to sweep the set. Roddenberry made the right decision all those years ago to give her a significant role. Even then she never tried to outshine anyone.
Oh, that would be hilarious! Q: Jean-Luc...you know I was kidding when I said I was dying. All Q are immortal. Picard: Yes. Q: Well, guess what? The higher-ups have decided that since you've proven so interesting, they've made you part of The Continuum as well! You're just like me now! Picard: What. Q: And guess who they've chosen to show you the ropes! Picard: Please no... Q: Yours Truly! We can traverse the galaxy together for a few millennia! Oh, this is going to be so much fun! Say, let's go bother Worf! He just loves it when I pop in for a visit!
Two so very beautiful, sweet, dear, endearing, brilliant, wonderful, compassionate people I’d to think of as heroes & friends😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕😍😍😍!! I saw this & literally began bawling and crying my eyes out😭😭😭😭!! Such a beautiful, tender moment between two loving friends!!!
Picard is a victim. Everyone important is a victim. In an episode of TNG he lived a whole lifetime and raised a family and grandchildren and it was ripped away. Thats reason enough. Also in the books Picard marries Bev Crusher and have another child.
Picard has been a victim of many things. Assimilation into the Borg Collective, torture by Cardassians, implanted memories, shenanigans by Q, brushes with death, betrayal, loss, having his deepest fears dug out and crammed in his face... It's a miracle he hasn't broken in his long years.
I was wondering how they were going to explain Whoopi's age. Apparently the El-Alurians don't just age slowly, they can actively control their aging, at least on the outside. Guinen looks older because she wants to, because she feels like looking older
Yes.. she's the Anti-Q.. and she always in some sense matched Q's game move for move. I think of her as Picard's guide.. the Blue Fairy to Picard's Pinochhio. I say that with intent... As the blue fairy made him a boy through his defeating the fear/enemy and saving others.. Guinan is giving PIcard the means to cut Q's strings despite what motives he may have --- selfish or quasi-altruistic.
@@mikev1294 Getting MUCH fatter is a question of, at most, a year, if you really overeat. It's completely possible for Guinan to have simply decided to enjoy food more.
I remember in 1986 or 7 I heard of this 'new' Star Trek coming out and there would be no Kirk, Bones, Spock or Scotty etc. I briefly thought 'never work, you gotta have the original cast'. I am so happy to have been wrong. These guys, Guinan included, knocked it out of the park! Awesome show. Star Trek Picard provided us with the long awaited TNG finale Nemesis did not. Nemesis was a great film, needs a Director's Edition, mind you. But never felt like the great send off film Kirk & co got with Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country.
Has Picard been able to use that ability, to slow down time? On on that planet where people were de-aging, due to the radiation surrounding the planet? Where Jorde was able to see a sunset with his actual eyes, due to them regenerating!
@@spencers4121 Possible, but I hope that it was more then that! It might come in handy this season, especially since a Borg Queen is trying to take over his Armada, in the first episode of this season!
With all the attention on "getting the band back together" in Season 3, I think the story of Picard needing to learn how to love in Season 2 (even if unevenly scripted) is the best story of them all. Seeing his childhood trauma helped me (who also had a very traumatic childhood) a lot. And while Season 3 acknowledged he and Beverly had had a child, that was more about a father's love for his son. I really wish there had been more closure (an eleventh episode perhaps) to Season 2.
The show is good I'm not gonna say anything else than good. But it's enough. The interaction between these two amazing actors is so fluid that you just enjoy it.
if that “particular ship” that sailed isnt Beverly Crusher, i will be extremely disappointed 😭 i can understand some hesitant on their relationship but give us SOME explanation
I think the explanation is very simple. Picard feels guilty for Jack Crusher's death and guilty for being in love with Beverly even before Jack died (thus betraying a close friend, even though he never acted on his feelings). He's never gotten over that guilt, perhaps because deep inside he questions whether his feelings for Beverly affected his decision making on the mission where Jack died.
Wtf? The whole first season was about Picard reconnecting with his best friend’s daughter and helping her find her place in the world. How is that not a heartfelt story?
I love the connection to the club and the street cause the club is called 10 and the street called forward avenue if im not correct being “10 forward” that was clever
4:42 the difference in the inflection of the “to come” is different from Season 2 trailer and is giving me “part time” vibes from the RLM Indiana Jones Plinkett video
Like a true friend, she knows how much to push but also when to let things go and just enjoy each other's company.
I adore Guinan. I feel like she gives the galaxy‘s best hugs
This is what i was expecting from season 1. You can have a crazy story, go nuts with time travel and everything but can we also have more of this. It doesn't all have to be explosions, drama and people getting killed left and right like in every other tv show out there. It can be story and character driven just like TNG was. Please and thank you.
You will get few character driven scenes with a showrunner like Kurtzman. He's a hack like Braga was in the 90's with Trek or anything else he touches.
It's so serialized now, the plot advances at a crawl. A whole season covers only as much story as one old two-parter from TNG. In theory they have time for so many more character moments like this one, but they don't use that time wisely. Instead they stuff it full of filler and drawn-out mystery box bullshit.
Cant you recognise Lame people "Going through the Motions", from the successful, genuine article ? This entire production is by people so desperately afraid of their own ideology, they will support Child Torture just to avoid its rabid, vindictive, passive aggressive nature, solely in order to keep on making money. And never connect (or purposely ignore) the two or realise just saying NO, in the first place, would have insured the positions they are currently desperate to retain, in such a volatile Market, THEY CREATED where you can be rendered unemployable by a angry and frustrated Mob of Morons, who want to lash out at everyone else, for their own intellectual impotence.
@@billvolk4236 Yes true. I will say I do miss the old stye TNG where each episode was a stand alone story or maybe a two part etc. But now every show has to have a story that runs through the entire series it's annoying. That's one thing i really loved about TNG was because the episodes were stand alone it felt each week they were going somewhere new and actually exploring, it was great. That is one of the main reasons i love the Orville so much.
@@scandalasdog Another really important thing to remember: TNG took a long time to find its voice. All of season 1 and most of season 2 was awful. If TNG had been serialized like Discovery and Picard, telling only one story a year, it would never have had the time to experiment and get good.
Going from Sir Patrick's formal invitation to Whoopie on The View to this back-to-back is an immense wave of emotions. The tearful surprise followed by her slaying this scene about as hard as a reunion scene could possibly be, it makes me glad this show exists just for this moment.
It's like the final fight of Kenobi. I could care less if the rest of the show is good in retrospect, it was worth it for one last duel and dialogue.
Years later - and - around her - he's still just a young captain looking for advice :)
And then he left without saying anything or getting any.
@@r0bw00d - sounds like most of their conversations over the years alright xD
@@2Scribble No, not really.
"Hey Guinan"
"Hey Picard, wanna talk?"
"Na, byyyeee!"
Masterful writing.
This made my heart swell; I always loved the dynamic between these characters.
I don't care how good or bad the show is... seeing these characters together and banter makes me smile
🎭🎭🎭🎭
@@JoeyAllcornMusic The point of the first season was that it starts with both Picard and the Federation being in a really dark place. We're now seeing that due to what took place in the first season, both have recovered their true selves again. So this is now indeed the Federation as we want to see it.
Well, until Q turns up with another of his alternative timelines!
I'd just like to see Garak return
@@ColonelBragg he's probably in Picards room with the skulls
yeah even though this show sucked in season 1 and looks like it's not improved at all in season 2, i am very thankful for this scene. Picard and Guinan always had some terrific scenes together
Guinan was also really just one of the very best characters period
This scene resonates so much with my own life …simply wonderful ❤️
These reunions make the young boy in me so happy.
Probably the best scene in a long while. Good friends that bring back good memories...for us.
Bartenders!... Innnnn!...
SPAAAAAACE! Spaaaaaace! spaaaaaace! (spaaaaace!)...
Their relationship is beyond friendship and beyond family
Friends with benefits -- that's what they are and always were. I hope Picard and Guinan finally have an on screen kiss.
@@bobdobbs8700 they don't have that kind of energy between them.
And she *will* let him go.
@@bobdobbs8700 Good grief. People can be friends without romance.
@@SR-iy4gg Exactly! Only the jaded think there there can't be without doing some sort of sexual Mambo. I know I'm "out there" but now that she's back at the exact moment Q sets things into motion. I always thought Guinan was the "Anti-Q" which is why Q feared/disliked her. I also think she served as Picard's intergalactic conscience as it related to things beyond him--- time travel (I mean she was there with him in the Nexus and pushed him to see beyond things, beyond the mathematical, analytical, LINEAR, logical and technological) interplanetary phenomenon, the symbiosis of all species and life and the nature of the Borg and other species, reality and even what it means to be human. She prodded him to be more than a captain, more than a mere human...but a legacy. She's the Blue Fairy to Picard's Pinnochio. And he would know as he literally died twice and was restored/reborn..
No cgi effects. No techno babble. Just two close friends talking. I hope we get more scenes like this during the season.
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You do know they de-aged her by like 15 years for the scene right? The digital artists had such a hard time trying to de-age her to 2002 and couldn't do it they had to write in bs to run counter cannon to the non aging guinan. Lemme guess you believe Kamala is a great VP because you have to be that blind not to see you're being manipulated
Doubtful.
@@xunheilvsnipezx3324 He says this as if it's a fact, but in truth he probably saw it on Reddit or 4chan or in his own butthole and is now repeating it.
(as if the visual effects artists would be working on this scene while they're filming. What a joke.)
I admit I don't like Whoopi Goldberg outside of the acting realm, but Guinan is always one of my favorite characters to see on screen. She plays such a warm and wise person as Guinan. She was also the only one that could go toe to toe with Q and make him afraid.
@@blair4117
They have to.
I agree, not a fan of whoopi Goldberg either. And even discovery is abomination. If the franchise and Hollywood want to create such programing than that's fine. But I'm not the only one who sees it that way. There's more than enough others who have given up watching television and movies because of Hollywood's choices. It's not a small number. It's in the billion who want a source of entertainment that is not so bias. And there money is not worth anything to Hollywood.
@@hornblow9219 okay, not everybody is a conservative. You'll get over it
@@Zer0.-_ wished I could, I never get over things. I watched star trek in the 1960's when I was a kid. So I'm kinda old. And I used to identify as a liberal. But the definition changed and I didn't. And don't want to what they call liberal now. It's a embarrassment now to be associated with being liberal. Bad things are on the way, and that Darrin thing will take care of it all. Young people that survive are in for a hard life. And they did it to there selfs. Well with the help of the politicians. I missed out on all the indoctrination when I was in grade school and college. So best of luck to you, if your young your going to need it.
@@hornblow9219 cope
I'm impressed Whoopi played the scene so well...Guinan wasn't in that many episodes, yet she clearly knows the character extremely well despite how long it's been, well done!
Whoopis name is Caryn Johnson, She plays characters so well because she is always in character.
Don't like her politics but I like her as an actress
She's the same in every film! 😂
She was in five seasons, the movie and I think she had a deleted cameo in Nemesis.
She plays a smart person well, in reality she is mediocre.
it's amazing to see them keep their chemistry after so long.
Guinan's is a true friend. She's there for Picard always has been and always will be.
You do know that this is a fictional drama
@@patl4416 That's beside the point.
@@patl4416 for real? Is not documentary?
yes for sure. she was a friend to him and to others as she hated "fitting in'.
@@maryyoung4046 Well, she sure can't fit into her clothes anymore.
I’m not really sure if I like the “choose to age” explanation. I think a better explanation would have been “yes we do age slowly, until we don’t. After 500 plus years as we near the end of our lifespan, age finally starts to catch up with us.” This would show just how long El-Aurians live and that Guinan will die soon, but that doesn’t mean she’s not going to keep working.
I mean, Whoopi Goldberg has hardly aged.
I think there was a TNG episode where she said her dad was 800 years old.
We don't know how old they get. All we know is they were wiped out and Q is afraid of her.
@@ihaveacar really hoping they touch on this. I want some more weird hand signals to ward off Q lol
Me to but she was around 800 in tng . But sorin was 300 in generations, and he looked older. Its unusual
This scene is everything that Star Trek Picard should be - his friends asking him to cut the bullshit and talk the truth w/ them. Cut out all the action scenes. I want 1000 more scenes like this in Season 3
They did and more
There are 4 people that I've always been fond of within ST TNG.......Picard, Guinan, Worf, and Riker!! I'd love to see Worf again!!
How about Data? My least favorite character was Troi
@@JohnS-il1dr I like Data, but the relationships between the 4 of them were better!!
I'd replace Riker with Barclay.
I was so happy to see them together again. I hope we get more visits from Guinean.
OK this was a great scene. Old friends catching up, and Guinan actually calling out Picard. I've had conversations like this. I hope the rest of the series will be just as good if not better than this scene.
The biggest problem is obviously, and constantly overlooked because of the nostalgia ploy though...
This, isn't, Picard... It's an Android that has been masquerading as him. Anyone like Q and Guinan with foresight and a broader understanding beyond the unseen, would know they are not talking to the flesh and blood they've known and grown with.
Until the writers fix this idiotic choice, I cannot take this seriously.
one of many idiotic choices... the whole series needs to be ended and rebooted. call the whole series a Q experiment and the real federation,picard and all the characters can come back better than ever. get rick berman or someone who actually likes star trek to come back.
@@chictownguy And ban people like Kurtzman and Abrams from ever touching it again.
@@VictorythroughUnity59 That's kind of... closed minded. These are things philosophers have been debating for thousands of years, and still do, in Picard's time.
Ship of Theseus is a really complex matter. It's the exact same brain geometry, the same neural patterns, the same memories, the same personality. Who's to say, that is not Picard? If everyone in the story, treats him as Picard, up to and including the people THAT MADE THE BODY AND BRAIN, say it's Picard, who are you to say it isn't him? They would know better than you, surely? Q, an actual god, says it is him. Even brings up that Dukat is the one that caused him to have a synthetic body in the next mirror-world episode.
Surely the people that made the synthetic body and brain, and a literal GOD that can change ENTIRE UNIVERSE with the snap of a finger (and does), would know whether that IS Picard, or a robot pretending. Q didn't say "too bad you're a robot pretending to be, and so the lesson is wasted." Nope, he treats him exactly as Picard, because he is Picard. That's good enough for me!
@@VictorythroughUnity59 Actually, I have less of a Problem with Picard having an Android-Body than I have with him simply not *acting* like Picard for most of the time in this show. From the first episode, this was just Patrick Stewart doing his best Patrick Stewart-Impression.
Oh Mon Dieu quel plaisir de les voir à l'écran ensemble, à nouveau ...
The first time we see her in this scene brought tears to my eyes, so much happiness to have her back! And her laugh and smile at the end of the scene warmed my heart. This is why I love Star Trek so much, for moments like this.
The evil Laugh and smile while she told Picard to drink, but she only brought the glass to her face.... nice friend
You should see the episode of THE VIEW when Stewart used his presence there to invite her back to STAR TREK as Guinan.
More Start Trek in 5 minutes than in a decade, it's kinda sad.
Loved this scene, although I don't really think it's necessary to overcomplicate how long lived characters age. Guinan could have just been like, "The years catch up to me as well." We can accept that performers age and suspend some disbelief =P.
Yes, I think it was the same thought as Q, but it made a lot more sense for him to explain it than for her.
@@dirdib69 right and the fact that we saw both do the same schtick in the same episode makes Guinan's feel superfluous
Soran from Generations was old and grey. They should have left that line out and let us viewers blame it on synthohol.
yeah. It would have been far simpler and a good degree more poignant to say "Slowly...except for toward the end."
Nothing wrong with the Scene and the Characters' discussion on age.
Nice to see guinan again 20 years later. Hopefully she makes another appearance
Agreed
looks like she's been eating several crews over the years
@@nicotoscani1707 what exactly is your point?
@@demarcusfaulkner7411agreed
Nope kicked off the show for her racist liberal remarks on the view
I'm surprised and disappointed that Picard wasn't happily married to Beverly Crusher when ST: Picard started.
aren't they divorced in All Good things (the final episode of TNG)? :)
@@neutrino78x That was a future alternate reality.
Me too. Instead he’s alone in the sense that Picard is isolated from everyone he served with on the Enterprise. Tending to his vineyard is a passion of his but it’s so unfair that he didn’t end up marrying Beverly Crusher and having kids. On the other hand perhaps Picard’s loneliness motivated him to go galloping the cosmos again. I hear that ‘Picard’ will wrap up after the conclusion of season three. Perhaps during the final season Picard will have a new family to love him and we’ll have a satisfying conclusion to this series.
@@nicholasmaude6906 well then it's not canon that they got married in any given universe. :)
@@bratton79
"Tending to his vineyard is a passion of his but it’s so unfair that he didn’t end up marrying Beverly Crusher and having kids. "
I feel his pain....I'm 44 and never been on a date...any time someone finds out I have feelings for them, at best they want to be friends, but usually they don't want me in their lives anymore. So at least in terms of romance, it's a cold lonely universe out there for me too. It seems I face growing old alone, and dying surrounded only by medical professionals who are paid to be there.
A mind that reaching so far out into the the stars, seen and experienced such indepth wonders, Jean-Luc just can't settle with someone of this realm anymore. It's got to be someone or some entity that understands his ever expanding vision of existence and continues to make him explore that existence.
Guinan pushed him to live up to the challenge of being a legacy.. and of transcending what it meant to be human. If Data's goal was to understand/approximate being human, then PIcard had to go beyond being Q's Pinnochio... and to learn to cut the strings of human limitation as to what it means to be and transcend Starfleet. I saw Guinan as being Picard's "Anti Q". .. or his Blue Fairy.
@@creativewriter3887 Oooo this is insightful.
I love that they are friends in real life. It shows in this scene.
People tend to forget that this isn't about Starfleet. this is about one man and his current experience.
sniffles
That little thing she does at the line "reserving anything" is so cool and iconic. She's so gorgeous... acting goddess! 0:55
I loved the "Guinan" character. She's among my favorites.
Man, this just brings back memories of when he found out his brother and nephews died in the fire of the very same vineyard he lives on.
Boy, she nailed this entire scene.
Everybody needs someone in their life that will tall them when they are full of crap, and the strength to treasure that person.
oh man..I missed these two together. loved Guinan
"there are worse things than being dead. You know that better than anybody" Picard as locutus.....
This is a Reunion we all needed!
I would be simultaneously grateful and scared to have my own Guinan in my life. The amount of wisdom (not just knowledge) that she could impart for me would be invaluable, however.. there would be questions I would be afraid to ask because those answers could be very painful, like questions about.. love..
I love how Q and Quinan explain there present selves including picard synthetic body
What a fabulous scene with 2 great actors neither trying to outdo the other. There is a special bond between them both on and off screen. As for Whoppi she just wanted to be in Star Trek, even if all it was just to sweep the set. Roddenberry made the right decision all those years ago to give her a significant role. Even then she never tried to outshine anyone.
Love these two together. My favorite Next Gen episode is the 2 parter in San Francisco
SO glad they brought her back. wish there was more.
I am a trekky from day one! Loved all Star Trek shows and movies! ❤
It's so awesome to see all these characters again , long live star trek
lovely scene, great to see her back in this role!
Calling it now, but I believe Picard will join the Q Continuum at series end. And that is when his great exploration will begin.
Interesting, but unlikely.
Oh, that would be hilarious!
Q: Jean-Luc...you know I was kidding when I said I was dying. All Q are immortal.
Picard: Yes.
Q: Well, guess what? The higher-ups have decided that since you've proven so interesting, they've made you part of The Continuum as well! You're just like me now!
Picard: What.
Q: And guess who they've chosen to show you the ropes!
Picard: Please no...
Q: Yours Truly! We can traverse the galaxy together for a few millennia! Oh, this is going to be so much fun! Say, let's go bother Worf! He just loves it when I pop in for a visit!
@@ijnfleetadmiral Jon Luc: Snap! 1st Q to kill a Q.😉
"El-Aurians can choose to age."
Holy fuck this series needs better writers.
I know. That was SO bad. I can think of a bunch of other ways to explain it that would've been better than THAT.
@@travis8850 "Once we get to 800, Jean-Luc...well, age catches up to us."
both live action series need better writers 😕
Discovery much more so
Or maybe it just needs less fanboys trying to act smart
@@FerretJohn good idea, why make the show less dumb when you can make the fans more dumb. Lowest common denominator FTW!
Two so very beautiful, sweet, dear, endearing, brilliant, wonderful, compassionate people I’d to think of as heroes & friends😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕😍😍😍!! I saw this & literally began bawling and crying my eyes out😭😭😭😭!! Such a beautiful, tender moment between two loving friends!!!
Picard is a victim. Everyone important is a victim. In an episode of TNG he lived a whole lifetime and raised a family and grandchildren and it was ripped away. Thats reason enough. Also in the books Picard marries Bev Crusher and have another child.
That episode was called, Inner Light.
Oh, just FYI lol.
Picard has been a victim of many things. Assimilation into the Borg Collective, torture by Cardassians, implanted memories, shenanigans by Q, brushes with death, betrayal, loss, having his deepest fears dug out and crammed in his face... It's a miracle he hasn't broken in his long years.
NOT ripped away. It was a gift he holds forever. I call it, 'Picard Gets A Life'.
I was wondering how they were going to explain Whoopi's age. Apparently the El-Alurians don't just age slowly, they can actively control their aging, at least on the outside. Guinen looks older because she wants to, because she feels like looking older
Yes.. she's the Anti-Q.. and she always in some sense matched Q's game move for move. I think of her as Picard's guide.. the Blue Fairy to Picard's Pinochhio. I say that with intent... As the blue fairy made him a boy through his defeating the fear/enemy and saving others.. Guinan is giving PIcard the means to cut Q's strings despite what motives he may have --- selfish or quasi-altruistic.
Well she has seen alot of horror even the almost extinction of her people I assume the stress took its toll
How about their weight?
@@mikev1294 Getting MUCH fatter is a question of, at most, a year, if you really overeat. It's completely possible for Guinan to have simply decided to enjoy food more.
I remember in 1986 or 7 I heard of this 'new' Star Trek coming out and there would be no Kirk, Bones, Spock or Scotty etc. I briefly thought 'never work, you gotta have the original cast'. I am so happy to have been wrong. These guys, Guinan included, knocked it out of the park! Awesome show. Star Trek Picard provided us with the long awaited TNG finale Nemesis did not. Nemesis was a great film, needs a Director's Edition, mind you. But never felt like the great send off film Kirk & co got with Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country.
Saw this scene all but the last 'final frontier' line... Really a great cap to a great reunion.
It feels like the series never stopped the magic of star trek never ended the characters age liked a good wine over time...
From the days of just being on 10 Forward to now!
One final frontier yet to come… love it!!
"El-Aurians age so very slowly"
Black don't crack, Admiral.
It's great to see these two AGAIN 🙂
i appreciate that they explain how Guinan looks older (because Whoopi is older) "I try to keep up." Good writing.
How beautiful was that. What a friendship over time.
I love these two.
It was like them both saying hello old friend.
Why are there tears in my eyes? 🥲
This is some of the very best writing in all of Star Trek
Kind of weird to hear modern music in Star Trek I thought they had a blackout of popular music past the 1920s
They still listen to classical music, Picard does frequently. Riker played jazz. Why not this?
whoopi is so good. this gives me shivers with how good her acting is
Has Picard been able to use that ability, to slow down time? On on that planet where people were de-aging, due to the radiation surrounding the planet? Where Jorde was able to see a sunset with his actual eyes, due to them regenerating!
I thought the women he was with helped him see that, and was more a product of the planet then the person.
@@spencers4121 Possible, but I hope that it was more then that! It might come in handy this season, especially since a Borg Queen is trying to take over his Armada, in the first episode of this season!
What I always said. Anij is still waiting for him. The look in her eyes when he left spoke more than a thousand words, she was madly in love with him.
I take exception to calling Saurian Brandy "hooch."
This is actually a pretty darn good scene. I wish it was a little more layered with subtext.. but its good to see
Thank you
Unexpected tears happening hear.😭😅Love these two 🖖🏾
Elorians age slowly but the mass increases quickly.
With all the attention on "getting the band back together" in Season 3, I think the story of Picard needing to learn how to love in Season 2 (even if unevenly scripted) is the best story of them all. Seeing his childhood trauma helped me (who also had a very traumatic childhood) a lot. And while Season 3 acknowledged he and Beverly had had a child, that was more about a father's love for his son. I really wish there had been more closure (an eleventh episode perhaps) to Season 2.
They are close friends in real life so this scene was very meaningful to the both of them.
A moment that finally happened. 😀
Wow!! That is just fan service right there!
Its so good to see Whoopi outside of the view. I always loved her character in this show.
The show is good I'm not gonna say anything else than good. But it's enough. The interaction between these two amazing actors is so fluid that you just enjoy it.
Interesting choice to play the Insurrection theme at the end of that scene. I imagine because that movie had themes about pining for youth and love
Doning really good in season 2.
So great to see Guinan again.
YES!!!
They need to bring back Kamala (Famke Janssen). She imprinted on him and is his perfect mate.
I can watch a whole episode of Guinan and Jean Luc just conversating.
Still rocking the super costume ❤
Love Guinan's saucer shaped hats.
Cap'n getting hammered tonight.
Top shelf or hooch. I'm dead!
With all due respect to Troi, Guinan is the best ship's counselor.
Guinan 🥰✨❤️
Whoppi Goldberg: "I look as if I ate the Enterprise!" 😂
Picard knew this was about to go on one hell of an adventure. Just pour the hootch damnit.
She would have made an awesome counselor!
if that “particular ship” that sailed isnt Beverly Crusher, i will be extremely disappointed 😭 i can understand some hesitant on their relationship but give us SOME explanation
It most certainly is.
I think the explanation is very simple. Picard feels guilty for Jack Crusher's death and guilty for being in love with Beverly even before Jack died (thus betraying a close friend, even though he never acted on his feelings). He's never gotten over that guilt, perhaps because deep inside he questions whether his feelings for Beverly affected his decision making on the mission where Jack died.
@@jliller agreed
I don't really like Star Trek but this was a beautiful and well acted scene by both actors. Bravo!
love you so much whoopi
❤❤❤❤
I’m guessing Guinan is going to be the watcher.
It’s interesting to watch a show that has absolutely no heart talk about the metaphorical one.
Wtf? The whole first season was about Picard reconnecting with his best friend’s daughter and helping her find her place in the world. How is that not a heartfelt story?
I love the connection to the club and the street cause the club is called 10 and the street called forward avenue if im not correct being “10 forward” that was clever
4:42 the difference in the inflection of the “to come” is different from Season 2 trailer and is giving me “part time” vibes from the RLM Indiana Jones Plinkett video