The Beatles Revolver 2022 What's RIGHT and WRONG
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I never thought much of Dr. Robert. But with these new mixes, I think it's my new favorite on the album. It sounds so smooth and well balanced now.
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@@ricardo_miguel13 he'll make youuu
i always loved it, but in this mix its a right robust rock chugger!!
I absolutely love this remix. The new tracks all sound so vibrant. I love the outtakes as well.
Yes, it's great that the stereo version of Paperback Writer has the feeling of the superb mono version.
This new mix is making me fall in love with the Beatles all over again
I understand that when you have an album on Blu-ray audio, you lose the capability of jumping directly to any track using the remote control (as you can do in a CD-player). For that reason, I prefer to have all the bonus material on CD, rather than on Blu-ray. On a Blu-ray player you are restricted to skip only to the previous or the next track, but not to any other track of your choice.
For me the 2022 Mix is the best sounding version of all time, love the out-takes too!!!!
This is the first time I've heard the mono version of Paperback Writer and it blew my socks off. I now need to go and hunt down a copy of the 2014 master 🙂
Agree and mono Rain is the best version of that song in my opinion.
@@robhouse1926The Harmony Vocals on the "Mono" mix are buried and not very clear.
I agree, Andrew, She Said, She Said was better on the original. Other than that I love the clarity of the remix.
100% agree on the lack of blu ray and "digital audio collection" comments. "Releasing" something on streaming is lame - it's renting your music in perpetuity instead of owning it.
I too am very happy with all the music, the new mixes are fascinating to listen to and the clarity of it means there’s things in there that I’ve not heard before which is great. I absolutely love the sessions. The sessions are always one of the main things for me about buying the boxes, and so I always wish that they would include more sessions. It annoys me that they Only use half the capacity of the session CDs when they could’ve fitted a lot more material on.
Fair play to you Andrew for your honest opinions as always & i think you hit the nail on the head when saying there should have been another option of buying both Albums & CDs with only 1 book! I think Apple will regret this now......
I agree on She Said, She said and some others. Martin sr. and the Beatles worked hard to create the sound they wanted, weaving every instrument and voice together. Martin jr. has worked hard to separate every noise. It's like taking a beautiful patterned pullover and producing four pristine balls of wool. For me this has largely been a problem of Beatles remixes since about 1995.
I agree about She Said, She Said; otherwise I totally enjoy the remix. You know, we still have the old mix too.
@@RobHollanderMusic Future generations eventually won't.
Pink Floyd have very successfully just released Animals as a standalone Blu-ray and i wonder why the Beatles can't do that. They should consider how customers listen to Atmos. It is certainly much easier to play an atoms mix from a disc than a digital file.
Thanks for posting this video. I was going to wait until Christmas to open it, but decided to check it after watching this and found that I had two mono pressings instead of stereo and mono.
Oh no! Hope you can get it changed...
My first time listening to you, and I'm impressed. Your opinions are well thought out, balanced wherever you can, and well articulated. BTW, when Revolver came out (I was 13) I listened to it in mono because my parents's system, though terrific in the '50s, was never upgraded to stereo. I'm excited to hear the mono disc. Thanks for being a fan who can be critical without snark, and celebretory without smarm or ooze.
Thank you Jim, glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Are you happy with the new remix?
The thing about all of these boxsets so far is the fact that the new stereomix and outtakes are all mixed and mastered digitally and then pressed on cd’s and vinyl records. The cd’s and especially the Blu-rays or DVD’s in previous sets are all almost perfect copies of the new and digital mastertapes. The vinyl records can’t better that. So for me, the way to go is to buy the digital sets and not the vinyl ones.
The only advantage of the vinyl sets is the full analog mono LP’s but they should be released seperately.
So I understand your point about buying the book twice but you don’t have to get both sets!
Especially with this one where the digital set is without a Blu-ray.
Great overview, Andrew. Agree with most of you criticism. However, even as a mad Beatles fan, I can't see myself buying BOTH the cd and vinyl box sets. What I did was buy the SINGLE vinyl album and the box set in cd. (I already have the 2014 mono version in vinyl). I always find that with the sessions/outtakes albums, the cds are more convenient in terms of jumping around the tracks. Keep up the good work.
I've not bought this box set yet, I grew up with the Beatles and loved everything they did, I'm so fortunate to be able to listen to all the old recordings with 2022 ears now, I will never pick faults with the remixes as we are so lucky to have the technology to be able to restore and bring back to life many missed takes, I now listen to the music, I'm not listening to whether that guitar was loud or drums too quiet, it's the music I was brought up with, and whatever it sounds like now is a real bonus to what I used to listen to it through, we must understand the tech they had then to record with and how to them it was good enough, then it's good enough for me.
Absolutely agreed about the tech they had to make these records, what they achieved is incredible.
I agree completely about Yellow Submarine. The song will never be the same again - and you hit the nail on the head when you say that it sounded like POB in its first incarnation. Well said!
Loved this reaction Andrew. I agree with you about offering the Vinyl and Cd's in the same package. I would have gone for that. As it is, I bought the CD box set in hopes that the vinyl set will come down in price eventually. First thing I listened to were the Sessions CD's. I also agree with you that Rubber Soul is not part one of the pair including Revolver. I've always thought that Rubber Soul had some of their best harmonies ever, but there are a few songs that sound like they could have been on Help! Run For Your Life, Think For Yourself and the obvious leftover Wait. Whereas the rest of that album was a step forward. In the end, Revolver stands alone as not only being very experimental but one of their most varied albums in their catalog. And it doesn't sound dated as does Sgt. Pepper.
I have been really impressed with the remixes. When all is said and done having all the albums in both Giles Martin remixes, and early uk mono pressings with a few extras (German true stereo of mmt etc) will be my go to for listening to Beatles albums.
I don't have the 2014 mono releases or I'd consider using them instead of the UK pressings. For the price they cost I'll still with UK pressings.
The mono is still my go to version ( fold backs aside ), but the new stereo is probably the best that Giles has done so far. My favorite Beatle lp , and I personally think, their best. Fantastic package, all around : amazing sessions lps. The only drawback is the costs, which I think are way too high for these sets. Nice review, Andrew.
Revolver is a seminal album and regarded in such high esteem by critics and fans, however I only own one Beatles' album, Please, Please Me. It was the group's first album, as I am sure you know, David, and it sounds like basically what it is, a rock band playing directly onto tape rather than overdubs on later Beatles' albums. The songs I Saw Her Standing There, Please, Please Me and Do You Want To Know A Secret are I think as well constructed songs as anything in the entire pop and rock music repertoire!
@Mike Fuller.
I don't quite know how to break this to you but Please Please Me has quite a few overdubs on it. And separate takes added together. It's not as live as you think.
I decided against buying the CD box set, as it has nothing extra compared to the vinyl box set (i.e. no blu-ray), plus the vinyl one is terribly expensive. I think they shot themselves in the foot with this one. As an anecdote, I'm one of the fortunate ones with a CD label in a vinyl set 🙂
Very good breakdown of the box set. Personally I would have included US version of Yesterday and Today with the Butcher cover. Apple could have made a fortune by adding that especially in the LP BOX. Congratulations on all your great Revolver videos.
I bought the Revolver box set when it was released. I discovered a few weeks ago that my copy doesn't have a mono album in it! There's a stereo disc in the mono sleeve. I was saving it for a special occasion and I either never listened to it or I was drunk when I listened to it and I didn't realize it was stereo. I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else is missing their mono version.
I think the lack of flaps on the mono is fine. I get why it seems to irritate a lot of collectors, but on the other hand it's a good way to tell the 2014 and 2022 apart, plus there were actually original '60s mono releases without the flaps outside of the UK. Maybe it's because I'm raised with such a release myself - Italian for some reason, with an all glossy cover on both sides (which I think looks the best) - but I also feel like it doesn't matter when all the discs and their sleeves are stored in the box anyways :)
I also opened up my vinyl box to find a stereo disc in a mono sleeve. Very annoying.
Extremely! Did you get it replaced?
@@AndrewDixonMusic yes. I got it from a local shop and he swapped it for me.
I purchased the new McCartney singles box set so I hope they did a better job with 80 discs than the 4 discs in the Revolver box.
Absolutely agree about the 5.1 Bluray - has always been a highlight of previous box sets for me.
Great .. thank you Andrew….Now I’m not surprised my 7”ep is missing…
Very frustrating….😡
Fair comment Andrew. There are a lot of people making money of the careers of the Beatles and I sense an acceleration of the pace - perhaps because they're getting old - and those that were affected and remember are diminishing as a market !
On the subject of being eco friendly (and apologies fr leaving so many comments, I should probably have waited until the end and done 1 big comment rather than commenting after each section of the video lol), the biggest impact that music is having on the environment actually has nothing to do with physical media (vinyl, CDs, DVDs, Blurays, etc). The most damage is actually done by streaming services. Every major streaming service has to have multiple super computers and servers around the world that are on 24/7 and because there are so many people using them (not to mention because there are now so many different services), that actually has a larger carbon footprint than anything else. The most environmentally friendly music format is actually CDs as their small size means they can be shipped around the world in greater quantities and don't require as much raw materials to produce. Even vinyl with being an oil byproduct isn't as harmful to the planet as streaming.
Great recap Andrew. Love the new remix like the other Beatles box sets. They are not prefect but an improvement. I am shocked the Blu-ray 5.1 was not included. Since one was created, no reason to keep it out.
Great review 👏. It makes sense to create a super box set with the cds, vinyl and book - you think people would snap their hands off for that
I agree with all your points, Andrew. I get more from the sheer detail in your reviews than I do from other online reviewers. I bought the CD set and overall I love the mix, even though She Said, She Said is a bit of a jolt. I've got the original mono vinyl pressing from 1966 which my sister bought when it came out. Apart from a bit of crackle, it still sounds wonderful - although I only play it on special occasions to preserve those precious grooves. Thanks, Andrew, you're not some remote hi fi expert, you're one of us.
Thanks Cliff, much appreciated! I bet that 1966 mono sounds great....
Hi Andrew, just to let you know. I purchased the new Revolver tracks at Qobuz in high definition audio. If you hear these HD tracks you never want to listen to your cd-set again, sorry. Also bought the vinyl set for the book and artwork, and for old times sake.
I'm gonna be honest, I've been surprised at the amount of people complaining about the book being the same in both sets. But that's mainly because my mentality is "why would you get both?" I figured you having both was more for reviewing purposes, but over the past month or so I've become aware of just how many people do want all the formats. I guess enough people raised hell about the Sgt Pepper's and White Album vinyl sets being short-changed compared to the CD sets that they've started to make them match as much as possible. To the detriment of the CD editions imo. Having an identical book in both versions seems like a no-brainer until, again, it comes to the folks buying both!
I do a lot of my listening from the CDs , but also whenever I get the chance to relax and sit back I play the vinyl when I can, so having both just makes it a lot easier to live the way I want to. If I ever get to the stage of buying something just to review it then I hope someone gives me a good slap and tells me to behave! 😄
I really like your idea to offer a third version of the box with both vinyl and CD. I may get have gone for that if it were available.
As for what’s next, I wonder if we’ll start to see 60th anniversary box sets for the early albums, starting with Please Please Me in 2023. In that case, would they issue two box sets each year or would they combine both 1963 albums together into one box? Same goes for 1964 and 1965, of course. And will they ever go back and tackle Magical Mystery Tour and Yellow Submarine?
All good questions, wish we knew!
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Hi Andrew! I’ve seen 2 audiophile reviews that highly praise the Revolver box set, but they point out that the mono mix is not an analog copy. Apparently the upgrading technology used can only be accomplished in the digital realm. I keep looking for more articles to confirm this, but so far Analog Planet, and Gutenberg are the only ones I’ve found. Not the end of the world, but some fans may be curious.
I'd be interested to hear what they say, as everything official (and unofficial from those involved) has been adamant this is all analogue.
Hope this isn't the MoFi scandal all over again...
Great video, just picked up this box set. Was going to open / spin next time my son was visiting . Sounds like I have open and check content. Just listened to 2022 stereo mix, courtesy of Walmart, sounded great. Compared to MoFi , Japanese pressing, and demo pressing . Going to listen mono version tomorrow....Aloha
My favorite Beatle album for the past 50 years-this is a 10 out of 10 for me. I must be the only person who likes She Said She Said. On the sessions, Yellow Submarine is fab. Nice vid. Keep up the good work 😀
Thanks Andrew....I ended up not buying any of this....happy with my 2014 Mono and 2009 Stereo thank you very much....the prices have just become too much but then again I didn't buy the others other than the Let It Be vinyl box which I couldn't resist! Thank you for pointing out the flaws as well as the upsides!
Cheers John, I couldn't have held my head high if I'd been 100% gushing over this! Have you had chance to hear the remix yet?
@@AndrewDixonMusic only on spotify which doesn’t do it justice…but they’re charging 20 quid for the cd and 35 quid for the vinyl
Your review is a 10/10 with 2 thumbs up!
I am happy to just have the CD Edition. Just going to check I do not have two mono or stereo versions. A very fair summary of the release.
The original 1966 UK Stereo mix especially Tomorrow never Knows is preferred. The
2022 mono mix sounds great!!! The alternative sessions is more complicated. I wish Giles would have created the alternative Revolver with the best sessions as the album. No Good Day Sunshine leads me to believe there are many more mixes demos and breakdowns. The EP should have been a 12 inch 45 EP. Maybe would have cost more. The Book is great as far as Blu-ray and ATMOS disc well that should’ve been there. Some DVD video disc should’ve been included in all editions. The Book is great! Overall 8.2
Hi there! I just received the Super Deluxe Revolver box for my birthday the other day. I've been quite thoroughly enjoying it. I'm quite in agreement with what you've said in this video. I'm very satisfied with the set. The only disappointment I had was the lack of a Bluray of this album. Otherwise, another great album made even better by a super deluxe treatment!
Great upload Andrew!!! I must say my favourite is the new Giles Martin Mix of and your bird can sing, sounds amazing on my tannoy speakers, and wow to the here there and everywhere demo take 👍
Isn't 'loving the music' by far the most important category? An enjoyable and very informative review but my approach would be less analytical as for me each category of focus is not as important as another. Nevertheless, great thanks to Andrew, who never disappoints consistently posting (for me) the very best youtube videos. And a gentleman too!
Hi Andrew, I agree with your observations. For comparison I checked my Fleetwood Mac Tusk reissue and it comes in one box with 5 CDs, 1 DVD, two vinyl LPs and a booklet. I suppose the difference here is that the sessions tracks are CD only and only the original LP remastered is on vinyl and CD.
If you listen carefully to the original stereo version of She Said She Said there were pauses and lack of guitar, but the difference is it’s less noticeable because the music is pushed to one side whereas the new mix it’s centered. I’m surprised Giles couldn’t fix this and also make the tracks longer like their mono counterparts. That being said the new stereo mix is amazing.
Less noticeable on the original - that’s for sure. You have to listen very, very carefully to hear the pause (if you can at all). Now hearing it is painfully and frustratingly effortless.
@@vicbertfartingclack4559 I agree, especially on headphones. That being said it was always there. Giles may not have been able to fix it because of the de-mixing process. When you listen in the car it isn’t that noticeable. But, headphones it’s painfully obvious.
Agreed. To me She Said She Said is really the only miss. But what a miss! How'd they let this new stereo mix of She Said She Said out?
In the end, the Revolver box is great. I guess it’s just a matter of attention to detail. Maybe the best fix would have been to insert a certificate of authenticity for the mono vinyl. Guess that’s the trouble when there are so many reviewers! I’m enjoying the stereo remix and the outtakes. And all my early presses of the OG albums
Some great points there Andrew. 100% with you on a CD/LP combined set with one book. However, probably a bit harsh to call out Paul using that environment speech clip, there's no way he's getting involved in the packaging of these sets. That would have been a record company decision. I would have liked to have seen more material from the sessions included and less repetition of stuff that was on Anthology 2.cheers
I love the nut allergy analogy!! 😆I suggest the Beatles Corp and all its many parts have a team of test fans to send pre releases to and get some feedback. I think they aren't aware that some people are going to want to buy the vinyl and the CDs. They could use some fan insights. Volunteering Andrew for test committee!
I'm happy to volunteer!
A very passionate review I enjoyed 🙏
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, Being one who only buys the Beatle SDE's in cd format, I was really interested in your comments, re buying 2 books if wanting to buy both formats, yes, such a waste. Here in Australia , my cd copy cos t A$209 ( British comparison is 119 pounds) I was happy with the price, and would have paid more for this Revolver set if necessary, my favourite Beatle album. Well done Andrew, looking forward to your next video.
Good point about us now having the book twice. This from a band that didn't put the singles tracks on the lp because they didn't want their fans to feel cheated. It was the same with the Let It Be box. Not cool.
I also totally agree with you on Yellow Submarine. That early version blew me away
I totally agree about the lack of digital with the cd collection. I miss the blue ray. I am not happy about that. Could have also had videos of paperback and rain.
I do agree the book is good. And the packaging. I did get the cd sticker on my vinyl.
I think this is a very well-stated assessment of this release. I am a long-time fan with a large music collection, especially when it comes to the Beatles. The elimination of the blu ray was an absolute dealbreaker for me. I have purchased nearly every variation of the previous SDE releases (CD/Blu ray SDE, Vinyl SDE, single lp, double lp, picture disc lp) but this time I did not. I bought the Amazon exclusive of the new remix on single lp because I wanted the turntable mat with the cover art. If they release a blu ray of Revolver in the future all is forgiven and I will buy the various other formats of this. Otherwise I will just stick with the single lp. What a shame.
Hi Andrew ! Out today : Paul McCartney & Wings - Flying Over France -Live At Cine Roma Borgerhout.Belgium 1972 CD ! Japanese CD only ! on the Vivid Sound label !
My vinyl copy had two of the first album of the sessions set, it didn't have the second LP. The replacement that I ordered was correct.
I've not had time to play it yet, although I've listened to a few things on RUclips which actually encouraged me to buy the set. From what I've heard of the remix, it does sound a bit clearer and fresher, but my main interest has been the sessions and those are incredible. The one negative that I have noticed though is that the print quality of the cover art on the remix looks a little dark compared to previous releases, I think it was Vinyl Rewind that said it kinda looks like a photocopy, and I can see that, but I think what's probably happened is that they've turned the contrast up in Photoshop. Apparently Klaus' original artwork is missing and so they would have had to use a backup which is unfortunate.
I think a general tactic with remixes lately is that the opportunity is taken to make slight cover art changes, even if just in the boldness of the colours.
Personally I don't mind that too much, could be argued that reflects the change in the "colour" of the remixed music.
Hi Andrew, i'm a producer and a recording artist. Now to the point, and that is that i still don't understand the people that buy LP's. The Beatles and other artists didn't record the extra annoying sound of vinyl in the studio, so why buy an LP? I hear you say because it sounds better, more dynamic and so on. The only pro i can make up is the record sleeve. Now my advise, ...listen to the BluRay versions of other Beatle recordings than you hear what The Beatles heard in the studio. It will rock your socks off ! (lol) Cheers!
Agree with the review - thanks for posting - but I disagree with the rather over the top disgust about the same book inclusion in both formats cd/vinyl - they shouldn’t have to anticipate that people will buy it twice in both formats? That - frankly- is your lookout. But having the option of both formats in one box set is a good idea and if their new box sets match in size this would work well. Personally I have a bigger beef with the way the box is back to front (like the let it be set) and it’s made me wonder if the idea is to have the spines of the book and the music sleeve facing outwards on a shelf? Love your posts - keep em coming!
I got the box containing the book, the 2022 remix, and the Czech Republic re-cut mono pressing that is hailed as "better"than the German pressing from 2014. To be frank, I didn't hear much of an improvement between the 2 monos. Unfortunately I don't have a 2 turntable DJ setup so that I could do an A/B test, just my hearing. The book and the Remix LPs were superb, I love them! But the problem was that the Mono LP was pressed off center and was warped. And for $200 this is unacceptable . I returned it.
You did right, hope the replacement was better.
I’m with you on the Rubber Soul and Revolver not being the part 1 & 2 of each other. I really feel Rubber Soul is the perfect end to a folksy/country trilogy of The Beatles For Sale, Help!, Rubber Soul. Those three albums really blend into each other perfectly. Capitol in the US actually made several records crisscrossing songs from those albums and it works. But on Yesterday & Today with Help, Rubber Soul and Revolver era tracks, the Revolver ones sound out of place. But those songs would blend in great with Sgt. Pepper era ones.
Yes and Revolver being the first record engineered by Geoff Emerick really sets it to the Sgt Pepper side. Definitely agree about the country/ folk trilogy. Those US albums, while not definitive for me, offer an interesting alternate listening experience. You Like me too Much and I Don't Want to Spoil the Party on the same record makes sense. I've Just Seen A Face ending and Norwegian Wood following works well too. However the US Revolver just doen't cut it for me and is the main reason I adhere to the UK tracklists
@@jmartin1774 I am referring to the UK releases. I’ve only just started listening to the US versions. Like you I have a hard time accepting them that way. I grew up on the Beatles CD releases, so UK versions. I do however like I’ve Just Seen a Face kicking off Rubber Soul. But not as much as Drive My Car.
@@BeatleDustino Yeah I was just rambling about the US albums. I was trying to say that I agree BFS, Help, and RS uk versions make a good trilogy. The country and folk influence is strong and the Norman Smith engineering makes it all sound consistent
@@jmartin1774 they do pair nice together. I never really got the Rubber Soul to Revolver comparison.
Mr. Dixon,
Another well thought out posting. I enjoy listening to your thoughts and opinions. 👍
Nice informative video Andrew on your review & take on the new Giles Martin Revolver mix & original mono version on cd & vinyl box sets, I agree with you on the missing Blu ray & having to get stuck w/the book twice. My main comment is I purchased the 2 cd deluxe version for the new 2022 mix & the session outtakes highlights (Unfortunately I will stream listen to the remaining outtakes that I currently don’t have). I want to say overall the Giles mix is very good however I wanted to compare the 1987 George Martin Revolver stereo remaster cd to the new the mix. I listened to the 1987 cd on my 1986 Sansui stereo system & it sounded great the Beatles were not meant to be heavy bass sounding -in the Giles mix. And yes Paul wanted more bass during the Paperback Writer 1966 session- but not to where it buries the other instruments either. “I want to tell you” “She said She said” sounds brighter Ringo’s drums & Georges lead guitar are right up front too on the 87 cd. “Tomorrow never knows” sounded nice /clear & John Lennon’s vocals were front & center. Sorry I didn’t hear the same clarity in the 2022 mix. I know I’m in the minority on this but the Beatles sound is the proof, point being you don’t need high end stereo system either. Whoever has listened to the Beatles music for years as I have knows how their music sounded on record. I’m not taking away from Giles & team but a few of the songs are not as bright & some instruments are buried or muffled in the mix in spite of the Peter Jackson new demixing process-(who I do respect as a Beatles fan). And that’s not even considering the original vinyl UK mixes which are the best sounding. “And your Bird can sing” wasn’t much better plus the missing faint bell sound at the end of the song is gone, the 87 remaster is clarity clear & complete. My 87 cd was pressed in W.Germany & the others I have are UK & Japan presses not sure if the European pressing were better sounding. “ I’m only sleeping” on the 1987 cd you can hear John’s jangling rhythm guitar clearly & the backwards guitar bit are up front. Now “Taxman” sounds good on Giles mix -again the bass & volume has been pumped up too, the 87 cd you have to raise the volume but you also get McCartneys heavy thumping bass. “Dr.Robert” & “Eleanor Rigby” sound very good on Giles mix, but “Good Day Sunshine” not as good as 87 remaster cd especially the ending of the song on Giles mix McCartneys vocal did not blend in as well. I thought the Revolver outtake sessions cd sounded brighter, this is just my opinion & you may want to compare them also. I appreciate the effort & work Giles Martin has done on these box sets, thanks.
Is that Gil Scott Heron I see there!?!? FANTASTIC ALBUM!! U get my sub just based on that alone. 😆 Your the first I've seem with that besides myself.
Yes! New 50th anniversary all analogue cut, sounds great 🙂👍
My only minor nitpick is that the CD versions of the album didn’t put the singles on the end of the LP. The CD EP sorta feels like a waste. At least with the vinyl EP, it’s a totally different size and therefore feels more warranted as a standalone part.
But for the CD editions, they should’ve put the singles on the end of the respective Remix and Mono LPs. Leaning more into convenience and portability. Not to mention they’d easily fit on each considering they can hold 80 minutes.
I have the 2 CD version. The alternate takes are excellent but why did they only put 39 minutes of music on disc two?? They had room for 40 more minutes of alternate recordings. Well we know why. The record companies are greedy. I paid almost $30 for this set. In fact they could have released a one disc version with the original album followed by the
extra recordings making up disc two.
Good video, agree with most of your points. If I could just share some of my thoughts,
regarding the blu ray- it’s an absolute shame they suddenly decided not to include it after being part of all the previous sets. And for such a b.s. sounding reason that it wouldn’t be ready in time. In time for what? This set didn’t come out anywhere near the anniversary so not in time for that. Since the atmos mixes are done I would guess they could have waited another month or two and included a blu ray, but then I guess what they really mean is it wouldn’t be ready in time for the holiday season. Don’t they realize the fans are going to buy these whenever it comes out? Don’t sacrifice quality just to rush release it. I know Giles said maybe in future it will be released, but I agree with you, I can’t see Apple going back and releasing a standalone blu ray of this after the fact. But what would be an awesome gesture if goodwill, on the next box set (hopefully Rubber Soul, but whatever it winds up being) include a blu ray for that set and as a bonus include the Revolver tracks as well. Similar to how they included the original mono mixes of RS and Help on the ‘09 cds. I’m sure they will find a way to justify raising the price even more, but the simple inclusion of the Revolver tracks would go a long way in pleasing a lot of fans I think.
The packaging- I agree as much as I love all the books in these sets, I like to listen on both cd and vinyl, as I’m sure plenty of fans do. So it is awkward having two copies of the same book. I really like your idea of a super deluxe set with both formats. A lot of artists offer this, why not the Beatles. Even if it will cost the same or close to the same amount as buying both sets individually, it does seem a more convenient option. Hopefully they consider that next time.
As far as the ep is concerned, at least on the cd box, I still think it is a waste of a disc that could easily have been tacked on to the sessions cd’s. That will always be a head scratcher. It works much better on vinyl though and I don’t mind the extra disc there, but they really could have done a better job packaging it instead of just shoving it inside the gatefold of the sessions ep. What the hell? Give it it’s own little 12 inch wallet card or something to hold it in the box instead of doing that!
Aside from those gripes, I am grateful for any new Beatles stuff and the audio content itself is great. It’s just small things that could make these sets even better. Hopefully they take fan feedback into account next time.
And let us never let them forget they promised us the original Let it Be!
I am connecting as I watch the video so bear with me. First of all your review of the new mix is spot on. I do agree that She Said She Said is the weak track on the album.
I do love the mono lp since I did not already have it. I don’t have the vinyl to compare it to. I really love the mono.
Disappointed in the ep. Wish it would have come in a picture sleeve like it did in the states.
I love the sessions discs. Especially since they grouped the songs together. We get all the versions of the same song together. My favorite of the sessions disc.
Andrew, Wonderful assessment yet again. Personally I'm not concerned with the packaging, book etc. though I understand the importance of that to so many others. I'm all about the music content, and my only issues are (as mentioned before):
1) For the CD version, the extra "EP" doesn't really make sense. Those 4 songs could have gone elsewhere in any of the other CDs. But that's an extremely minor issue for me.
2) Too many of the sessions songs were recycled from Anthology 2. I know you said that might be because Anthology was too generous with session outtakes. However, while Sgt/White/Abbey reused a few Anthology cuts, it wasn't a significant percentage of the bonus material. On Revolver, it feels like about 1/4 to 1/3 of studio sessions were previously available. I felt like Giles could have dug a little deeper to give us some new versions.
Still, overall I'm happy that we got this, especially since a year ago we all assumed we might never get a Revolver remix. Thank heavens for Peter Jackson helping find the technology to make this possible.
Amazon gave the autorip of the boxset with the vinyl purchase, which was good, as i do like having a digital copy of them and i don't do CD's anymore. Made the £170 price more worth it, as that's £39.99 by itself
Andrew - A lovely video. The idea of a 3rd version is brilliant.
Thanks, many people seem to have misunderstood my comment and are thinking I said they should scrap the CD and vinyl boxes in favour of a combined version instead.
Thankfully you understood perfectly what I said 👍
Great review. With regards to the issue of the book….I’d be willing to guess (correct me if I’m wrong, please), there’s a greater proportion of people who bought one box set OR ANOTHER and not both. And I’m very glad my 5 CD set came complete with the book and the box.
Always the best channel for reviews of new Beatles and Solo Beatle box set release. If there will be a Beatles catalog 75th Anniv new release by 2038, I hope all of us here will be in good health so we can still watch your great reviews and excellent insight.😁 Meanwhile, I cannot wait for the release of Rubber Soul 2023 all the way to Please, Please Me, Past/Mono Masters Remix. Then a possible Magical Mystery Tour Remix? Peace and good health to every Beatles fan out there.
Thanks Jason :-)
agree fully on she said she said, instruments way too isolated from each other, too much space, part of the original charm was how the original mix let the tracks bleed into eachother
They didn't use any demixing technology with the guitars on She Said She Said. The overdubbed guitar was already on its own track, all Giles did was separate the two tracks on either side of the stereo field. It was still a mistake to do so - the extra guitar is obviously supposed to complement the other and does not work when left on its own.
Love the idea of the combined cd and vinyl set. I have the cd set and awaiting a price drop on the vinyl. As you say Andrew, this usually happens a few months down the line. Would have been nice to have the mono vinyl as a stand alone purchase. Just a thought. Always enjoy your posts Andrew. Great work.
Hi Andy. Thanks for your right and wrong Revolver review. Personally I am very disappointed that the Blue Ray 5.1 sound has not been included in the new Revolver package and as a result will not be investing . I have invested in all the other Giles Martin Beatle remix and loved the listening experience in 5.1 however I feel badly let down by this latest Revolver package as I looked forward to building yet another new Beatles collection.
Interesting video Andrew as always. Re buying the book twice, I am sure Apple reckoned most folk would buy one or the other. That way nobody would miss out on the book.
Yes I think they've fixed one problem and inadvertently created another. My suggestion of a combined CD/vinyl option is something I hope they consider for future to cut down on expensive duplication.
The digital audio collection is available for retail download through online shops like Pro Studio Masters, Hd-Tracks, and Qobuz. None of these offer the surround sound (heard that on Tidal but you can't download it) but all of those sites offer a range of resolutions. Qobuz had a space for the album in advance for pre-orders. I got mine from Pro Studio Masters (24bit 96khz flacs) as they had the best discount on the Super Deluxe version.
I know Qobuz offers a hi Res download and a streaming option but looking at their page for it all now, still seems to be no mention of the phrase Digital Audio Collection anywhere on the page for the 2022 Deluxe offering, so anyone looking their for that specific phrase as advertised isn't going to see it.
The individual products are certainly all there, but that wrapper title they've given it doesn't show anywhere, and if I do a Google search for that product, no option to buy that collection comes up. I just think they've made that more confusing than it needed to be.
@@AndrewDixonMusic That's true. The entire approach to releasing this was sloppy with the ambiguous mentions on the advance packaging. This means that a fan like me who prefers hi res digital was left entirely in the dark and then had no problem at all in bypassing the box set without the blu-ray feature that has made the others from Pepper to Let it Be so compelling. I listened to the Dolby Atmos on Tidal as none of the other services would play it in anything but stereo, if at all .... or they could have put a blu-ray in the box. Ah well. It was great until they got to my favourite Beatles album.
Just stumbled on this channel. This guy is good. Will check out his views on other Beatles releases. Wish I could afford these super deluxe sets but have to settle for the 2 cd set but loving the content.
Thanks Sean 🙂👍
Still waiting for my box to arrive 😢.. but from what I’ve seen and heard (gave the 2 cd set) I think yours is a fair assessment…can’t wait to get me grubby mitts on me lp set ..
Really agree with you on combining the vinyl and cds .. I’m a fan of both formats and have so far bought both … this time round I’m happy with the 2cd and lp set … now how about that pic disc .. hard to resist.. I have the three previous ones so will hope to pick that up too if I can gat a bargain…
Roll on Rubber Soul…
I don‘t subscribe that Yellow Submarine is a John-Song. Nobody seems to take into consideration an other theory: John just takes Pauls YS and fiddles about with it a bit, filling it up with a John line, just for the moment. That‘s all, I believe. - Thanks for your videos, Andrew, and greetings from Berlin, Harry
No-one is saying Yellow Submarine is solely a John song. It's another Lennon & McCartney original - John's separately started verse for a different song and Paul's chorus.They even admited this in an 1967 Ivor Novello awards interview.
I think the key point is that John's not-really-a-song doesn't mention submarines.... Personally I've absolutely always figured that John had a significant hand in Yellow Submarine because (a) the lyric sounds more like John than Paul, (b) the tune sounds more like John than Paul, and (c) I cannot imagine John ever letting the band record the song, let alone getting so heavily involved in the recording, if he hadn't had a hand in writing it.
I would content this new fragment is clear evidence that the melody portion of YS came from John. It’s clearly from an early home tape, which John produced for many of his proto-songs - see the countless bootlegs. Until the new release everyone thought it was almost entirely a “Paul song”. Now we know it was much more of a joint/group effort than we thought. Shouldn’t be too surprising. It was a collaboration like so many of their songs in this middle period. This is a similar to how tracks like A Day in the Life, We Can Work It Out came together. That’s all anyone should be suggesting. You can’t say it was a “John song” or a “Paul song”.
Interesting, but I think PM came awake with the chorus according to Beatles Anthology, the impetus for the song but not the opening...
Studio sessions for 'Yellow Submarine' show JL trying to find opening lyrics, the way he always did, by repeating first thing that came into his head till free association navigated the song. (You also hear JL advising George to do that in 'Get Back' when GH struggles to find lyrics to 'Something'.) We hear:-
'In the town where I was born/ No one cared, no one cared' over & over. Haunting like JL's first solo album. From this we will get:
'lived a man who sailed to sea.'
The man who sailed to sea was Fred Lennon. There's a trail of abandonment in this free association from 'no one cared'. Fred Lennon came back into JL's life out of the blue in February 1966. JL mentions this to Maureen Cleave in her famous article for Evening Standard, 4 March 1966. JL was ambivalent about having his Dad back in his life, surely on JL's mind at the time of composing 'Yellow Submarine' in spring 1966.
JL's free association launches from the merchant navy and Fred Lennon, who had just told him of his life in their catch-up in February 1966.
The submarine becomes the idyllic environment JL was denied as an infant. Every one of us has all we need. Surrealism as escapism. That's my take anyway. Julia says I'm 'a conspiracy theorist,' but I bet all the books are telling it this way within 10 years once these Revolver Sessions circulate. Fascinating.
You seem unaware in an interview in March 1967, re Yellow Sub, John and Paul both confirm Paul's chorus was added to a song John was already working on.
The cd box could be a bit cheaper because the songs on the 5 discs fit on 3 discs :-)
Agree so much.
It's like Humpty-Dumpty took a great fall, and you can see/hear all the pieces separately. But they couldn't put it back together again. It's not a "mix," there's no "tension" or "glue" to it.
For the most part I think it's fantastic, especially "Eleanor Rigby", "Doctor Robert" and "She Said, She Said", but I was a little disappointed with "Tomorrow Never Knows". The mono version is still the best IMHO.
In Canada this ended up being the most expensive super deluxe vinyl set to date at $300 Cdn. I purchased the Let it Be SDE vinyl set with the same amount of vinyl and a book on Amazon for $108 Cdn. This is pure greed and I’m glad the consumer can stick it back to the record company by downloading it for free off the internet.
Steve Guttenburgs review mentions the MoFi scandal, but when he speaks of the Revolver box, he states the remixes are digital sourced, but I can’t tell after watching his review again, if he refers to the whole package or just the stereo remix. Analog Planets review seem to refer to the mono mix being digital sourced. It’s a great album either way, but the 2014 mono version is very clear on its authenticity of being a analog master, with the card inside verifying. Something to ponder!
I'll let others who know a lot more than me investigate that one! I'm happy to believe it's all analogue unless someone proves otherwise 👍
Superb presentation a good appraisal of Revolver , in agreement with you pricing there is a true discrepancy on this box set you only need to follow Amazon UK the price since announced has changed seven times to date , I have still not purchased due to this sole reason , there is a second disappointment in the recent release of Paul’s 80 x 7in Vinyl singles Box the fact is only 3,000 available and sold out within 12 hours then if you look on eBay prices for this release are now twice or three times the retail price , where this was wrong was you could purchase two on release sadly it’s not the true fans that purchase it’s characters making a easy Buck .
Something very important is missing in your rating of the vinyl box it's the pressing's quality. I bought twice (Amazon) this edition and twice the Czech pressing was very bad for one or more disks. In the last I bought the mono version is warped therefore inaudible for most of it. Quality control is 0 out of 10 Apple-Parlophone is making fun of us. Fun fact (?): I received the first box on 27th of October (1 day earlier than the official release date) but the box was badly shipped and had stains and scratches because it was simply wrapped in a box too big for it with no protection at all…I returned it to Amazon for an exchange (for this reason and the bad pressing of 2 disks of the set) but once again in the exchanged box the pressing was bad as previously mentioned. Giles Martin made a great job which I enjoy very much (10/10). I still have in good condition my original Revolver I bought in August 1966. It's good and justified to have both editions... if we can get a proper pressing for the latest version. Thank you for the excellent review.
Hi Andrew 👋
I enjoyed your video and actually my overall thoughts are pretty much on par with yours.
Now, I've only just watched this (2 days late) and you are probably aware by now of the quality control topic which I am going to add. I also bought the limited edition Stereo vinyl box with the slipmat. Incredibly, on BOTH spines, they have mispelt Revolver as Revoler...!! And, the box set with the t-shirt bundle, and the box set with the Tote Bag bundle, ALSO have the same misspelling!! All three sets were made in the USA 🇺🇸
This is beyond belief...
It's an incredible insult to a band who specialised in giving the paying public only the best when together. At first I thought I might have had some sort of rarity, but nope, it's everywhere, and now these sets are being snapped up in case they recall them and run a second printing.
Apple need to roll a few heads I think. This MUST change before Rubber Soul etc.
Jase 😉
REVOLER is a crazy mistake, no way that should have passed any kind of inspection!
In a funny twist on the quality control issue, I just opened my slipmat version to find they have inserted TWO slipmats inside! Woohoo! Not complaining now! 😄😂😆
I loving the Giles remix way more than I thought I would. For the most part, his instincts are the right ones and are faithful to the original version.
I think including a digital download code would answer the most of the complaints from collectors who felt forced to buy two box sets, because whichever format we prefer for serious listening, LP or CD, everyone ultimately wants the portability and utility of a digital music file too.
And on the QC side of things, these were some of the dustiest, dirtiest new LPs I've ever seen. They sounded superb once they were cleaned up though.
Amazon in Canada just dropped the price on the LP box by $25, might be all it takes to push me over the edge into grabbing one, as much as I hate buying from them, it's now $40 cheaper there than anywhere else in my neck of the woods. The lack of a blu-ray was a big dis-incentive for me, I was really looking forward to an HD audio copy, but I know not having the new mono pressing will irk me in years to come.
One thing that is never mentioned in reviews is the actual speed of rain on the seasons discs. Its interesting that they slowed the tape down for the official release. I always thought it was recorded that way
I talked about it in my full song by song review that I did about a week before release ,👍
@@AndrewDixonMusic oh ill have to check it out thanks for the reply.
@@darthwarren4599 Cheers. Only correction I would make is that I didn't know then that Paul's bass was overdubbed later on to the slowed down version.
Hi Andrew, I have not bought the set, either on CD or vinyl, I am waiting a while. My questions are about how similar or different would the contents of the blu-ray disc and the digital audio collection (12 mins 06 seconds) have been if they existed? How might each have varied from the other in content? Do you think that the work for such releases was done? If it were will it see the light of day? If the blu-ray or digital download did exist as a stand alone releases then with both of them one item I would expect to see on them given the space on the disc or with the download is a digitised version of the big book.....
I would expect a Blu Ray would have had hi res stereo remix, probably hi res mono mix, hopefully hi res sessions, a 5.1 of the stereo remix. Not sure whether it would be possible to fit the Atmos mix on to the disc, not sure how much data that would take.
My solution to the book issue is to sell it separately. (And not in the box) If I buy this it will be the electronic set (to own not stream). But would love to own the book.
Producing a vinyl&cd box would probably not be economic. The two versions should suit the vast majority of people.
I have tentatively thought of doing this. I doubt I'll ever actually do it, but it is a tempter.
@@AndrewDixonMusic I have the Imagine and POB books, but they are not the ones from the set - overlap a lot but not the details on tracks I think.
If the new mono vinyl mix was taken from the original master tapes it can only be different due to the equipment used in the transfer if they used the original mastering notes. The tape recorder for playback would have better tape heads and the cutting equipment would be improved.
I can honestly say I agree with you 100%. As you know of me, I was looking forward so much to listening to this album in 5.1 But hugely disappointed that there wasn't one. I read that it was coming. And secondly. When I opened both boxes (same day) to find the exact Book inside the CD Box too. I now hope there maybe a Third release of the Blu-Ray. (But i won't hold my breath). Is this down to Paul, Apple or EMI? So will we get RUBEER SOUL or a Paul's Archive Collection next. John's Sometime In New York. Only time will tell. There was one time i stopped buying other artists or bands. But I've got a Second Hand Record Shop in my High Street. Spend most of my Saturdays now going through the shelves. A Sheer delight