Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910) wrote to his poet friend Afanassi Fet (1820-1892) in a letter dated September 30, 1869, when he was 42 years old: 'Do you know what the past summer was for me? An uninterrupted enthusiasm for Schopenhauer and a series of intellectual pleasures that I had never experienced before. I ordered and read and read all his works (I also read Kant), and probably no student has ever learned and realized so much in his course as I did this summer. I don't know if I will change my mind, but now I am convinced that Schopenhauer is the most brilliant man. The whole external world is formed by us, by our senses. We know nothing and can know nothing about it. [...] [The so-called scholars] are naively convinced that the external world is the real reality, just as the peasants are convinced that the sun and the stars revolve around the earth. Just as the peasants know nothing of what Galileo, Copernicus and Newton have done, or, if they have heard it, do not believe it, so the materialist scholars have heard nothing of it or do not believe it ... - Leo Tolstoy (1896)
In Fantasy, engages humanity with, they deny the world as it denied what they thought was their right. Putting themselves on the throne, but only ruling in their mind. Acting like kings, but being just ants in the grand scheme of things. Wanting to create space and time but nothing they say or write will change that they are just beasts made of matter full with fear and pride. Accept it, humanity will never be unified. The wiseman thinks of himself above the mop, I think he should be relocated below their dog. The universe with no center, neither sun nor earth but with motion, the stars revolve relative to this world.
@@The666Miraculix point me in the right direction because google isn't helping and I cannot begin to comprehend a context in which this quote isn't the most pompous shit I've ever heard my god, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for you though.😅
Schopenhauer is also the key to depth psychology and arguably more central to Jungian thought than Nietzsche. Schopenhauer is really slept on as a figure in philosophy.
The World as Will and Representation was without doubt the most intellectually validating experience of my life. I think I speak on behalf of many when I say that his teachings affirmed many of my deepest metaphysical convictions, not for want of reason did I seek out his work but a desire to understand myself better. It is no understatement to say that his work resonates with a great many thinkers, especially those who identify with idealist thought. I would stick my neck out and say that Schopenhauer was right precisely because he didn’t listen to reason to the exclusion of his other faculties but had a special reverence for intuition, indeed that is after all where his deepest insight necessarily came from.
I dont understand that, you may elaborate. Nietzsche was - as far as I was educated - way more important to modern philosophy than Schopenhauer. Schopenhauers work was profound, no arguing that. But it was ultimatley Nietzsche who reinterpreted Schopenhauers work in a existentialistic manner (i.e that not suffering is unberarble, but meaningless suffering) the search for meaning as a means for meaning, the depth of aethetics and the will to power were all a culmination of the intellect that the enlightment cultivated. You can proclaim any success to Schopenhauer, but without Nietzsche, he would be no way as heard of as he is today.
herman hesse is supreme his books are superior in the way of magic words deep inside compšose of natural beuty and his caracter alweys get like buda nirvana or back to unpased peace and 100% undastanding of natural final truth
Another point that Schopenhauer was prescient on is his insistence that matter has no static being and is through and through just action. This was reflected in the famous unification of mass and energy which undermined the static view of substance, along with it's technological consequences: nuclear energy and the atom bomb.
always one my favorite parts of the world as will and representation ... unifying space and time into a unified field of causality and interpreting causaility through our inner experience of energy and time ❤🎉 most underrated aspect of his philosophy imo
Not only did he influence physicists, but also, to a much greater extent, early psychology, through Hartmann, Freud and ultimately Jung. The concept of the unconscious is the Will in its evolved form.
I understand the sentiment in a sense that Schopenhauer influenced Nietzsche and ultimatley Nietsche influenced modern Psychology. It was Nietzsche who reinterpreted Schopenhauer in a psychological, existentialistic way that gave rise to modern psychology and the multitude of modern philosophical enterprises.
@@Kukuro20 Nietzsche and Darwin are the fathers of nowadays psychology and biology. (But biology's branch of nietzschean philosophy died with nazis).
yeaa .. schelling, the romanticists and hegel also had a strong idea of the unconscious ... only that they stuck to the kantian distiction of unconscious drives and conscious will which schopenhauer eliminates in order to unify the world a priori instead of a posteriori (which is correct imo)
"Until 1818, when my work appeared, only very few, highly imperfect and scanty reports on Buddhaism were to be found in Europe, which were almost entirely confined to a few essays in the earlier volumes of the 'Asiatic researches' and mainly concerned the Buddhaism of the Burmese." Arthur Schopenhauer probably contributed more than any other important Western philosopher to opening the gates of the West to the Upanishads: It is the most rewarding and sublime reading possible in the world: it has been the consolation of my life and will be that of my death. - Arthur Schopenhauer
It would be interesting to see you cover Carl Jung, seeing as how he was heavily influenced by Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, and can perhaps be seen as continuing their work.
You always find a way to make a video that interests me! I started quantum physics this semester and this up coming one is where we will have a deeper dive. It is interesting to hear how the greats of physics also took interest in Schopenhauer
I was out of the loop from this link between Schopenhauer and Quantum Physics. The concept of Unity is amazing. In my layman's terms, we are just a pale mirror of something literally unimaginable. Something I'd never expect for today.
I suspected this quotation from Schopenhauer was what impressed Einstein. It suggests both special and general relativity "the essential nature of matter consists in the complete union of space and time, a union that is possible only by means of the representation of causality, and consequently only for the understanding, that is nothing but the subjective correlate of causality"
This might seem minor, but the music choice at the beginning adds to the aesthetic of the video. It makes it more engaging, so I thought it was a great addition.
Really important to understand that our understanding of Quantum Mechanics has advanced considerably since Schrodinger, Wigner, Oppenheimer, etc. Since the 70s the rigid mathematical models of entanglement and decoherence have been tested, proven, and applied in fields like quantum computing, and quantum communication. It is information, not consciousness that causes wave functions to APPEAR to collapse to a conscious observer. Participation of the conscious is an obsolete theory.
Lol im reading up on information theory and claude shannons stuff rn. Iv only done mechanics tho since its not my major. I had no idea information theory was sumn they used in physics lol.
See also Bernardo Kastrup's _Decoding Schopenhauer’s Metaphysics: The Key to Understanding How It Solves the Hard Problem of Consciousness and the Paradoxes of Quantum Mechanics_
What a synchronicity! I'm just reading "Synchronicity, through the eyes of science, myth and the trickster" and the first chapter deals with quantum physics...
Good video. Could you make a video about Beethoven and philosophers? Please I'd like to see the relationship between him and Nietzsche, for example. Beethoven is loved for many intellectuals and I hope to see his influence kn philosophers or scientists. ❤
You should have quoted Bernardo Kastrup, who dedicated a whole part of his book "Decoding Schopenhauer's Metaphysics" to quantum physics. For those who are interested, Weltgeist made a review of that book long ago : ruclips.net/video/iyRhwbtdYWc/видео.html
we swim in a sea of speculative theories about reality - maybe we are looking and perceiving phenomena across a single moment of the now - time present - there is nothing else no before and after - the unity of which Schopenhauer speaks is simply this
Great video! But let’s talk about Kant for a second. Kant was primarily a metaphysician, and his entire project in The Critique of Pure Reason was to save metaphysics because of Hume’s attack on it as a legitimate discipline. Hume showed that we cannot conclude by associations we form from seeing things occur together habitually in experience that such co-occurrence is attributable to anything other than pure chance. That is, we cannot establish causation, simply by observing that event B always follows event A, or to use Hume’s lingo, constant conjunction does not imply a necessary connection. For Kant, this was unacceptable, but he realized that Hume was right. Therefore, there must be something wrong with empiricism altogether-we might not be able to intuit such a thing with sensory perception purely through experience, but perhaps we have some other faculty which accomplishes this. Rather than appeal to innate knowledge and rationalism, Kant asked a deeper question: What if our faculty for reasoning itself, the thing which enables us to say things like “If A then B, A, therefore B,” was emptied of all of its contents, and we analyzed it to see how it does what it does? Pure reason is the subtracting away from our faculties-in our faculty of perception in the case of the Transendental Aesthetic, and in our analytical capacity in the Transendental Deduction. By this distinction and its analysis, Kant re-establishes our ability to know certain things about the world and our ability to practice metaphysics despite the problems of empiricism, because empiricism is only part of the equation. Kant says that we have access to necessary truths, and The Critique is meant to be akin to a formal proof establishing that some necessary truths are not purely analytic, but rather rely on contents of experience, though nonetheless provable: synthetic a priori propositions. Kant does not say that we cannot have knowledge of the world. He only claims that we cannot have direct knowledge of the world through perceptual experience. Knowledge of the world must be arrived through the application of the categories to the analysis of the contents of perception, which is why he is so careful to piece apart experience into distinct phases of analysis: forms of apperception, synthetic unity of the maniforld of intuition, transcendental unity of appercetion. When the contents of experience are analyzed at each level of Kant’s analysis in the Transcendental Aesthetic and they are considered with respect to the categories of pure reason, we get concepts of understanding. So even without direct knowledge of the world though sensory experience, which is impossible, we nevertheless are able to apply knowledge of necessary truths to the contents of sensory experience as sythetic a priori propositions, giving us knowledge of the world. This is the very thing that The Critique is about.
Re 19:47--It is interesting that Schopenhauer likened the spectrum of colors to the world or representation and the light entering the prism to be the underlying "reality" of the Will (or the Noumenon, for Kant). The seems to be the reverse of the view of science since Newton (up to possibly Quantum Mechanics), i.e., whiteness is just the casual appearance of light, whereas the prism reveals whiteness to be an ensemble of the spectral colors, which are the actual colors.
welltgeist, since you spoke about quantum physics, what about making some videos on Mainlander. he certantly fits the style of topics of this chanel and he is directly related to schopenhauer. his idea of the will and the suicede of god kinda remind of entropy and the chaos theory and is also very interesting. it would be wonderful to see
Excellent video, I'll recommend to others. Using the spectrum of light as a metaphor is a bit ironic, as Schopenhauer despised Newton's theory of light, preferring his and Goethe's. More on the quantum connections in Bernardo Kastrup's Decoding Schopenhauer's Metaphysics. (There's also more on Pauli in his Decoding Jung's Metaphysics).
I'm a second year physics student, it would be great to get your take on schrödinger's book. I read "what's life" from him and found it quite enlightening.
I'm in for everything related to Schopenhauer's influence and legacy in modern science. In the Mind and Matter video, please have a slot about Schopenhauer's influence in Schrödinger's 'What is Life?' too and how it lead to the discovery of the DNA.
A very illuminating exposition of Schopenhauer’s signal ideas. I have always felt that Schopenhauer is one of the astute thinkers, and deserves to be carefully studied at universities.
interesting video. I must make some clarifications. An observer in quantum mechanics is the sensor or measuring instrument that makes the "observation". The phenomenon of observation in quantum mechanics implies that the state of a quantum system "collapses" to a defined state upon being observed or measured. Prior to observation, particles exist in a superposition of possible states. The best-known interpretation of this phenomenon is the Copenhagen interpretation, which maintains that a quantum particle has no defined properties until it is observed.
Without our capacity to apprehend reality, the ' reality outside us' doesn't exist. Kant's conclusion that we put order to the chaos of cosmos is the same with the idea that theoretical physicists who cannot admit of their finitude should stay quiet. . As the very first sentence of his Anti-Hegelian Philosophy: " THE WORLD IS MY IDEA."
How does one generally become a professional philosopher of science? I’ve heard many practicing philosopher start out in stem, most notably mathematics and physics. Is this true? How did you get to where you are today? Thanks
@@aidanhall6679 started out in natural sciences, focussing on physics, then founds a masters in philosophy of physics as I wasn't satisfied with going on to do a physics PhD. I'm now a PhD student in philosophy of physics.
How the hell do you reconcile entanglement, decoherence, and information with Schopenhauerian idealism? All concrete, proven, and applied mathematical models that don't rely on conscious participation to be true?
@@relativemotion2077 Have you heard about Helena Blavatsky? She is the founder of the Theosophical Society and author of The Secret Doctrine at the end of the 19th century. This magnum opus The Secret Doctrine is intended to be the Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy.
@@Maitatron I've heard of Blavatsky but was not under the impression her work would be relevant to what I do. I may have a look out of curiosity some time.
Hi Weltgeist. I am still trying to come to terms with Schopenhauer’s metaphysical system. The “Will” is clearly of the highest importance for Schopenhauer’s entire philosophy. From my understanding, Schopenhauer believed that this Will was eternal, transcendent, singular, non-spatial, non-temporal, impersonal and irrational. It would seem then that all the multiplicity that we find in the world - between different objects and events (and even potentially different selves) - are only part of the world of “appearance” (or representation). Given this, is it true then that “the physical universe,” and all of the physical objects in the world, are nothing but mere illusions (for Schopenhauer), and all that really exists is this transcendent Schopenhauerian Will? Does this mean that all physical truths and facts are really just phenomenal/mental truths and facts for Schopenhauer? Also, at a fundamental level, what exactly is this “Will?” If it produces the entire cosmos, then what is this singular entity ‘*in-of-itself*’ for Schopenhauer. Usually, the term “Will” in philosophy, is a feature of mind. Is it therefore the case that for Schopenhauer, this Will is fundamentally mental or possesses some experiential quality? Thanks
Observation in QM has nothing to do with consciousness or perception. When we "observe" the position of an electron before it reaches the two slits, the observation refers to the beam of photons forcing the electrons' wave function to collapse. It has nothing to do with a conscious human or animal looking at an electron.
really an amazing video! After reading the 4th chapter of Will and Representatiom I thought it sounded very ”einstein”, later I found out that Einstein was a Schopenhauer fan 😂
The title could perhaps be more fundamentally rephrased: why are quantum physicists attracted to Vedic philosophy? Here is a sample list of physicists who came under its influence: Bohr, Heisenberg, Schrödinger, Oppenheimer, Capra, and probably many others. Einstein and the Nobel laureate Indian poet/philosopher Rabindranath Tagore discussed whether reality was subjective or objective in a famous meeting that reached no conclusion - you can guess what Einstein’s position was as he was then wrestling with the “Copenhagen mafia”. Tagore’s position was Upanishad inspired and favored “Subjective”. I have read that Bohr (or perhaps Heisenberg - I can’t recall exactly which one) told Tagore separately that the Vedic view of reality made the Eastern mind more receptive to the new physics.
'The common man marvels at the uncommon, the wise man at the commonplace.' Ultimately, most of philosophy/metaphysics or ontology boils down to problem of the One and the Many. Schopenhauer= Plato + Kant ( and the Upanishads). Good vid and I try to encourage such content with a like and a comment (any) for the YT algo'. We need more young folk to embrace und promulgate our rich philosophical heritage.
As a spiritual questor who found my satisfaction in Advaita Vedanta when I studied some quantum physics as part of my undergraduate science degree I was amazed to read that Neil's Bohr demonstrated that the perceiver and perceived arise together . That was about 35 years ago . This was pure Advaita . Since then I have followed developments in quantum physics which culminated in the 2022 Nobel prize for physics for the demonstration that there was no such thing as local Reality . Indian physicists with a background in Vedanta were thrilled by this ' Oh so science has caught up with our ancient philosophy at last ' .🙂. I sometimes watch the Atheist Experience on RUclips and amazed how far behind the curve the Atheist community are . I think the case for Idealism has already been made and Bernardo Kastrup is particularly eloquent about this . Of course there are physicalists who can't handle recent developments in quantum physics - they even challenged the award of the 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics . E=🕉️
The notion of unity or oneness necessarily implies that it must have some sort of boundaries, even if such boundaries are to be considered infinite, hence inconceivable. However, the notion of a boundary should in turn imply a separation between what a thing is and what it is not. In other words, it would be impossible to define a thing without implying an ontological distinction between what that thing is and what it is not. Moreover, if unity should refer to the notion of totality or everything, it would still imply that it cannot be nothing. Therefore, unity must imply non-unity, or multiplicity in other words, because for the notion of unity to be conceived in the first place, there must be at least an ontological distinction between that which conceives and that which is conceived. Consequently, there must exist an interdependence between mind and notion, resulting in a lack of inherent essence of any of the two: Both mind and notion (such as unity and multiplicity) rely on each other for their essences. Therefore, the closest definition of reality is that of a dream in which the very notions of "dreamer", "dreaming" and "dream" also belong to the same dream.
Perception of reality does not influence it. Wave-particles are always decoherent probability densities with discreet, uncertain interactions. These interactions affect the probability density of the wave particle, but they are tied fundamentally to interaction between particles and NOT human observation. It is an easy mistake to make, but to sum very quickly: "measurement requires interaction which therefore changes particle state" VS "change in particle state requires interaction with does NOT require measurement". These two things are not the same. There is nothing magical about human observation affecting the way the universe works, so far as we have discovered.
It’s a bit of a stretch but sure. I imagine relationalism is becoming more popular than newton’s independent view of space and time, at least in philosophy of physics circles. Quantum physics has made it obvious that we cannot study the world without affecting it, and moreso, entanglement suggests we reconsider the otherwise flat tapestry of spatial and temporal connections. Simultaneously, the compatibility of purely epistemological interpretations of quantum theory, such as QBism, is surprisingly attractive due to their minimal ontological assumptions.
Kants view of space and time as mere tools of perception reminds me of the Hindu idea of maya which is described to mean the physical world but also to mean illusion
Metaphysics is the byproduct of axiology. Physics is the byproduct of metaphysics. Our worldview tells as much about what we value as it tells about the nature of reality.
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Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910) wrote to his poet friend Afanassi Fet (1820-1892) in a letter dated September 30, 1869, when he was 42 years old: 'Do you know what the past summer was for me? An uninterrupted enthusiasm for Schopenhauer and a series of intellectual pleasures that I had never experienced before. I ordered and read and read all his works (I also read Kant), and probably no student has ever learned and realized so much in his course as I did this summer. I don't know if I will change my mind, but now I am convinced that Schopenhauer is the most brilliant man.
The whole external world is formed by us, by our senses. We know nothing and can know nothing about it. [...] [The so-called scholars] are naively convinced that the external world is the real reality, just as the peasants are convinced that the sun and the stars revolve around the earth. Just as the peasants know nothing of what Galileo, Copernicus and Newton have done, or, if they have heard it, do not believe it, so the materialist scholars have heard nothing of it or do not believe it ... - Leo Tolstoy (1896)
Wow
In Fantasy, engages humanity with, they deny the world as it denied what they thought was their right.
Putting themselves on the throne, but only ruling in their mind.
Acting like kings, but being just ants in the grand scheme of things.
Wanting to create space and time but nothing they say or write will change that they are just beasts made of matter full with fear and pride.
Accept it, humanity will never be unified.
The wiseman thinks of himself above the mop, I think he should be relocated below their dog.
The universe with no center, neither sun nor earth but with motion, the stars revolve relative to this world.
"Your pathetic fear of my writings is the fear of the truth." - Arthur Schopenhauer
I cannot think of a more arrogant thing to say
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If you don't know or understand the context of this quote (1820 to 1850), then you'd better keep quiet 😉
@@The666Miraculix point me in the right direction because google isn't helping and I cannot begin to comprehend a context in which this quote isn't the most pompous shit I've ever heard my god, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for you though.😅
@@The666Miraculix I'll tell you outright I'm generally skeptical of Schopenhauer though.
Schopenhauer is also the key to depth psychology and arguably more central to Jungian thought than Nietzsche. Schopenhauer is really slept on as a figure in philosophy.
The World as Will and Representation was without doubt the most intellectually validating experience of my life. I think I speak on behalf of many when I say that his teachings affirmed many of my deepest metaphysical convictions, not for want of reason did I seek out his work but a desire to understand myself better. It is no understatement to say that his work resonates with a great many thinkers, especially those who identify with idealist thought. I would stick my neck out and say that Schopenhauer was right precisely because he didn’t listen to reason to the exclusion of his other faculties but had a special reverence for intuition, indeed that is after all where his deepest insight necessarily came from.
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I dont understand that, you may elaborate. Nietzsche was - as far as I was educated - way more important to modern philosophy than Schopenhauer. Schopenhauers work was profound, no arguing that. But it was ultimatley Nietzsche who reinterpreted Schopenhauers work in a existentialistic manner (i.e that not suffering is unberarble, but meaningless suffering) the search for meaning as a means for meaning, the depth of aethetics and the will to power were all a culmination of the intellect that the enlightment cultivated. You can proclaim any success to Schopenhauer, but without Nietzsche, he would be no way as heard of as he is today.
herman hesse is supreme his books are superior in the way of magic words deep inside compšose of natural beuty and his caracter alweys get like buda nirvana or back to unpased peace and 100% undastanding of natural final truth
Another point that Schopenhauer was prescient on is his insistence that matter has no static being and is through and through just action. This was reflected in the famous unification of mass and energy which undermined the static view of substance, along with it's technological consequences: nuclear energy and the atom bomb.
always one my favorite parts of the world as will and representation ... unifying space and time into a unified field of causality and interpreting causaility through our inner experience of energy and time ❤🎉 most underrated aspect of his philosophy imo
Not only did he influence physicists, but also, to a much greater extent, early psychology, through Hartmann, Freud and ultimately Jung. The concept of the unconscious is the Will in its evolved form.
I understand the sentiment in a sense that Schopenhauer influenced Nietzsche and ultimatley Nietsche influenced modern Psychology. It was Nietzsche who reinterpreted Schopenhauer in a psychological, existentialistic way that gave rise to modern psychology and the multitude of modern philosophical enterprises.
@@Kukuro20 Nietzsche and Darwin are the fathers of nowadays psychology and biology. (But biology's branch of nietzschean philosophy died with nazis).
@@Kukuro20not really ... it was schopenhauer who interpreted kant psychologically/psychodynamically ...
yeaa .. schelling, the romanticists and hegel also had a strong idea of the unconscious ... only that they stuck to the kantian distiction of unconscious drives and conscious will which schopenhauer eliminates in order to unify the world a priori instead of a posteriori (which is correct imo)
"Until 1818, when my work appeared, only very few, highly imperfect and scanty reports on Buddhaism were to be found in Europe, which were almost entirely confined to a few essays in the earlier volumes of the 'Asiatic researches' and mainly concerned the Buddhaism of the Burmese." Arthur Schopenhauer probably contributed more than any other important Western philosopher to opening the gates of the West to the Upanishads: It is the most rewarding and sublime reading possible in the world: it has been the consolation of my life and will be that of my death. - Arthur Schopenhauer
The way you explain these things in such a simple way shows to me that you actually understand them or at least have thought abiut them.
It would be interesting to see you cover Carl Jung, seeing as how he was heavily influenced by Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, and can perhaps be seen as continuing their work.
Finding you for me is like when I found Thomas Sowell last fall. Thank you for sharing. Look forward to all your posts.
You always find a way to make a video that interests me! I started quantum physics this semester and this up coming one is where we will have a deeper dive. It is interesting to hear how the greats of physics also took interest in Schopenhauer
An excellent video, Weltgeist, the metaphysics of Schopenhauer and his influences are a profound and intriguing topic.
What a great content, thank you for the video. Will check your channel regularly.
Great talk, you have a gift for this work. I would also like to see an episode on Schrodinger. Thanks as always.
I was out of the loop from this link between Schopenhauer and Quantum Physics. The concept of Unity is amazing. In my layman's terms, we are just a pale mirror of something literally unimaginable. Something I'd never expect for today.
Wonderfully articulated, thank you ❤❤❤
Synchronicity central - great content as always!
it had been a while since you dropped a banger like this!
I would personally love a deep dive video on Schrödinger's Mind and Matter!
Loved this video ! Thanks .
Thank you for sharing the thought of Schopenhauer. This is a gift for humanity.
Your videos are always substantive, insightful and thought-provoking. I download them and listen on walks with my dog, Maggie says hello. Thanks! 👏
I suspected this quotation from Schopenhauer was what impressed Einstein. It suggests both special and general relativity "the essential nature of matter consists in the complete union of space and time, a union that is possible only by means of the representation of causality, and consequently only for the understanding, that is nothing but the subjective correlate of causality"
Very nice and interesting linking of ideas. Very interested in the Schrödinger video!
These videos are some of the best stuff on RUclips. Keep it up man.
This might seem minor, but the music choice at the beginning adds to the aesthetic of the video. It makes it more engaging, so I thought it was a great addition.
Me too!
Excellent.... thanks 🙏❤
He who experiences the unity of life sees all beings in his own self and his own self in all beings in the universe.
Really important to understand that our understanding of Quantum Mechanics has advanced considerably since Schrodinger, Wigner, Oppenheimer, etc. Since the 70s the rigid mathematical models of entanglement and decoherence have been tested, proven, and applied in fields like quantum computing, and quantum communication. It is information, not consciousness that causes wave functions to APPEAR to collapse to a conscious observer. Participation of the conscious is an obsolete theory.
Lol im reading up on information theory and claude shannons stuff rn.
Iv only done mechanics tho since its not my major. I had no idea information theory was sumn they used in physics lol.
That is wrong, information isn’t a thing, it’s the knowledge within an observer.
So at bottom it’s still consciousness.
@@AbdallahRadiy lol, idealists
Extraordinary work, amazing channel
See also Bernardo Kastrup's _Decoding Schopenhauer’s Metaphysics: The Key to Understanding How It Solves the Hard Problem of Consciousness and the Paradoxes of Quantum Mechanics_
The Schrödinger video idea sounds quite good.
Physics and philosophy go hand in hand
How ??
If 2 things are exactly alike in all aspects are they not the same thing?
@@KerriEverlasting like what ??
@@deanodog3667 Did you watch the video?
@@yosuancolon not all of it yet , I'm just curious as to how the laws of gravity etc go hand in hand with various philosophies!
Schoppenheuer is just so relatable without being pedantic.
What a synchronicity! I'm just reading "Synchronicity, through the eyes of science, myth and the trickster" and the first chapter deals with quantum physics...
That book makes use of Bohmian mechanics a number of times. Which definitely seems relevant here.
Good video. Could you make a video about Beethoven and philosophers? Please I'd like to see the relationship between him and Nietzsche, for example. Beethoven is loved for many intellectuals and I hope to see his influence kn philosophers or scientists. ❤
You should have quoted Bernardo Kastrup, who dedicated a whole part of his book "Decoding Schopenhauer's Metaphysics" to quantum physics.
For those who are interested, Weltgeist made a review of that book long ago : ruclips.net/video/iyRhwbtdYWc/видео.html
Great video. Yes, please do one on Schroedinger"s book.
we swim in a sea of speculative theories about reality - maybe we are looking and perceiving phenomena across a single moment of the now - time present - there is nothing else no before and after - the unity of which Schopenhauer speaks is simply this
A video on Mind and Matter would be great.
Great video! But let’s talk about Kant for a second. Kant was primarily a metaphysician, and his entire project in The Critique of Pure Reason was to save metaphysics because of Hume’s attack on it as a legitimate discipline. Hume showed that we cannot conclude by associations we form from seeing things occur together habitually in experience that such co-occurrence is attributable to anything other than pure chance. That is, we cannot establish causation, simply by observing that event B always follows event A, or to use Hume’s lingo, constant conjunction does not imply a necessary connection. For Kant, this was unacceptable, but he realized that Hume was right. Therefore, there must be something wrong with empiricism altogether-we might not be able to intuit such a thing with sensory perception purely through experience, but perhaps we have some other faculty which accomplishes this. Rather than appeal to innate knowledge and rationalism, Kant asked a deeper question: What if our faculty for reasoning itself, the thing which enables us to say things like “If A then B, A, therefore B,” was emptied of all of its contents, and we analyzed it to see how it does what it does? Pure reason is the subtracting away from our faculties-in our faculty of perception in the case of the Transendental Aesthetic, and in our analytical capacity in the Transendental Deduction. By this distinction and its analysis, Kant re-establishes our ability to know certain things about the world and our ability to practice metaphysics despite the problems of empiricism, because empiricism is only part of the equation. Kant says that we have access to necessary truths, and The Critique is meant to be akin to a formal proof establishing that some necessary truths are not purely analytic, but rather rely on contents of experience, though nonetheless provable: synthetic a priori propositions. Kant does not say that we cannot have knowledge of the world. He only claims that we cannot have direct knowledge of the world through perceptual experience. Knowledge of the world must be arrived through the application of the categories to the analysis of the contents of perception, which is why he is so careful to piece apart experience into distinct phases of analysis: forms of apperception, synthetic unity of the maniforld of intuition, transcendental unity of appercetion. When the contents of experience are analyzed at each level of Kant’s analysis in the Transcendental Aesthetic and they are considered with respect to the categories of pure reason, we get concepts of understanding. So even without direct knowledge of the world though sensory experience, which is impossible, we nevertheless are able to apply knowledge of necessary truths to the contents of sensory experience as sythetic a priori propositions, giving us knowledge of the world. This is the very thing that The Critique is about.
Re 19:47--It is interesting that Schopenhauer likened the spectrum of colors to the world or representation and the light entering the prism to be the underlying "reality" of the Will (or the Noumenon, for Kant). The seems to be the reverse of the view of science since Newton (up to possibly Quantum Mechanics), i.e., whiteness is just the casual appearance of light, whereas the prism reveals whiteness to be an ensemble of the spectral colors, which are the actual colors.
Please do cover Schrodinger's mind and matter when you get the chance!
Fabulous video as usual:)
Big Schopenhauer fan here. Always was, always will be.
Would love to see video about Mind and Matter
welltgeist, since you spoke about quantum physics, what about making some videos on Mainlander. he certantly fits the style of topics of this chanel and he is directly related to schopenhauer. his idea of the will and the suicede of god kinda remind of entropy and the chaos theory and is also very interesting. it would be wonderful to see
great vid! thanks!
Excellent video, I'll recommend to others. Using the spectrum of light as a metaphor is a bit ironic, as Schopenhauer despised Newton's theory of light, preferring his and Goethe's. More on the quantum connections in Bernardo Kastrup's Decoding Schopenhauer's Metaphysics. (There's also more on Pauli in his Decoding Jung's Metaphysics).
A “Mind and Matter” video would be greatly appreciated.
I'm a second year physics student, it would be great to get your take on schrödinger's book.
I read "what's life" from him and found it quite enlightening.
I'm in for everything related to Schopenhauer's influence and legacy in modern science. In the Mind and Matter video, please have a slot about Schopenhauer's influence in Schrödinger's 'What is Life?' too and how it lead to the discovery of the DNA.
Great video
Excellent video!
Glad you liked it!
Yay! Jung! Finally. When a complete video about his Psychology? About synchronicity? :o
Yes, please do a video on Schroedinger
I noticed that you kept showing a picture of Claude Shannon which I think I have an idea of why but can you make a video? ❤😁😎😉
A very illuminating exposition of Schopenhauer’s signal ideas. I have always felt that Schopenhauer is one of the astute thinkers, and deserves to be carefully studied at universities.
This video made me subscribe. And please yes, make this video on heisenbergs mind and matter.
Welcome
interesting video.
I must make some clarifications. An observer in quantum mechanics is the sensor or measuring instrument that makes the "observation".
The phenomenon of observation in quantum mechanics implies that the state of a quantum system "collapses" to a defined state upon being observed or measured. Prior to observation, particles exist in a superposition of possible states. The best-known interpretation of this phenomenon is the Copenhagen interpretation, which maintains that a quantum particle has no defined properties until it is observed.
Without our capacity to apprehend reality, the ' reality outside us' doesn't exist. Kant's conclusion that we put order to the chaos of cosmos is the same with the idea that theoretical physicists who cannot admit of their finitude should stay quiet.
. As the very first sentence of his Anti-Hegelian Philosophy: " THE WORLD IS MY IDEA."
Very right about this. As a practicing philosopher of physics, Schopenhauer is the thinker who has had the greatest influence on me.
How does one generally become a professional philosopher of science? I’ve heard many practicing philosopher start out in stem, most notably mathematics and physics. Is this true? How did you get to where you are today? Thanks
@@aidanhall6679 started out in natural sciences, focussing on physics, then founds a masters in philosophy of physics as I wasn't satisfied with going on to do a physics PhD.
I'm now a PhD student in philosophy of physics.
How the hell do you reconcile entanglement, decoherence, and information with Schopenhauerian idealism? All concrete, proven, and applied mathematical models that don't rely on conscious participation to be true?
@@relativemotion2077 Have you heard about Helena Blavatsky? She is the founder of the Theosophical Society and author of The Secret Doctrine at the end of the 19th century. This magnum opus The Secret Doctrine is intended to be the Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy.
@@Maitatron I've heard of Blavatsky but was not under the impression her work would be relevant to what I do. I may have a look out of curiosity some time.
Very good. More
That sounds like a great idea regarding Schrodinger.
I would be highly interested to see some Schrödinger and Schopenhauer related contend!
Hi Weltgeist. I am still trying to come to terms with Schopenhauer’s metaphysical system. The “Will” is clearly of the highest importance for Schopenhauer’s entire philosophy. From my understanding, Schopenhauer believed that this Will was eternal, transcendent, singular, non-spatial, non-temporal, impersonal and irrational. It would seem then that all the multiplicity that we find in the world - between different objects and events (and even potentially different selves) - are only part of the world of “appearance” (or representation).
Given this, is it true then that “the physical universe,” and all of the physical objects in the world, are nothing but mere illusions (for Schopenhauer), and all that really exists is this transcendent Schopenhauerian Will? Does this mean that all physical truths and facts are really just phenomenal/mental truths and facts for Schopenhauer?
Also, at a fundamental level, what exactly is this “Will?” If it produces the entire cosmos, then what is this singular entity ‘*in-of-itself*’ for Schopenhauer. Usually, the term “Will” in philosophy, is a feature of mind. Is it therefore the case that for Schopenhauer, this Will is fundamentally mental or possesses some experiential quality? Thanks
Observation in QM has nothing to do with consciousness or perception. When we "observe" the position of an electron before it reaches the two slits, the observation refers to the beam of photons forcing the electrons' wave function to collapse. It has nothing to do with a conscious human or animal looking at an electron.
Well this one sounds interesting
definitely do a video on mind and matter
Do a video about Schrödinger's mind and matter. That would be very interesting.
We can actully imagine something spaceless and timeless: thestate before Big Bang. And the singularity as Unity.
Another video that proves your channel to be a goldmine
please do a video on Schroedinger's work
A video about mind and matter by Schrödinger would be great
I’m not sure he’s called Mikhaïl Faraday lmao. Good vid btw!
Not just a letter exchange with Carl Jung, Pauli was his patient!
really an amazing video! After reading the 4th chapter of Will and Representatiom I thought it sounded very ”einstein”, later I found out that Einstein was a Schopenhauer fan 😂
Amazing.
Just found this channel...truly amazing and absolute genius..keep up the good work 👏
The title could perhaps be more fundamentally rephrased: why are quantum physicists attracted to Vedic philosophy? Here is a sample list of physicists who came under its influence: Bohr, Heisenberg, Schrödinger, Oppenheimer, Capra, and probably many others. Einstein and the Nobel laureate Indian poet/philosopher Rabindranath Tagore discussed whether reality was subjective or objective in a famous meeting that reached no conclusion - you can guess what Einstein’s position was as he was then wrestling with the “Copenhagen mafia”. Tagore’s position was Upanishad inspired and favored “Subjective”. I have read that Bohr (or perhaps Heisenberg - I can’t recall exactly which one) told Tagore separately that the Vedic view of reality made the Eastern mind more receptive to the new physics.
Schrodinger is also worth exploring.
Dude started his magnum opus with the phrase "The world is my idea. "
'The common man marvels at the uncommon, the wise man at the commonplace.' Ultimately, most of philosophy/metaphysics or ontology boils down to problem of the One and the Many. Schopenhauer= Plato + Kant ( and the Upanishads). Good vid and I try to encourage such content with a like and a comment (any) for the YT algo'. We need more young folk to embrace und promulgate our rich philosophical heritage.
I'm not a Quantum Physicist, but this is also why I love Schopenhauer.
few talk about this, its significant link.
I think you should make a video on panpsychism next...
Can you make a video on Wittgenstein?
As a spiritual questor who found my satisfaction in Advaita Vedanta when I studied some quantum physics as part of my undergraduate science degree I was amazed to read that Neil's Bohr demonstrated that the perceiver and perceived arise together . That was about 35 years ago . This was pure Advaita . Since then I have followed developments in quantum physics which culminated in the 2022 Nobel prize for physics for the demonstration that there was no such thing as local Reality . Indian physicists with a background in Vedanta were thrilled by this ' Oh so science has caught up with our ancient philosophy at last ' .🙂.
I sometimes watch the Atheist Experience on RUclips and amazed how far behind the curve the Atheist community are .
I think the case for Idealism has already been made and Bernardo Kastrup is particularly eloquent about this .
Of course there are physicalists who can't handle recent developments in quantum physics - they even challenged the award of the 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics . E=🕉️
The notion of unity or oneness necessarily implies that it must have some sort of boundaries, even if such boundaries are to be considered infinite, hence inconceivable. However, the notion of a boundary should in turn imply a separation between what a thing is and what it is not. In other words, it would be impossible to define a thing without implying an ontological distinction between what that thing is and what it is not. Moreover, if unity should refer to the notion of totality or everything, it would still imply that it cannot be nothing. Therefore, unity must imply non-unity, or multiplicity in other words, because for the notion of unity to be conceived in the first place, there must be at least an ontological distinction between that which conceives and that which is conceived. Consequently, there must exist an interdependence between mind and notion, resulting in a lack of inherent essence of any of the two: Both mind and notion (such as unity and multiplicity) rely on each other for their essences. Therefore, the closest definition of reality is that of a dream in which the very notions of "dreamer", "dreaming" and "dream" also belong to the same dream.
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I read Shoepenhauer.
He relieved me of my illusory hope!! !
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Einstein did NOT keep a portrait of Schopenhauer. The third portrait was of Newton. How did you acquire this information?
How do you know that he didn't had his portrait on the wall? You seem very sure of that.
@@johndoe767-c6l read walter isaacson's einstein biography. Its a great book by the way.
If you ask where the flowers come from - even the god of spring does not know.
I have difficulty listening with the initial background track
super trippy
Perception of reality does not influence it. Wave-particles are always decoherent probability densities with discreet, uncertain interactions. These interactions affect the probability density of the wave particle, but they are tied fundamentally to interaction between particles and NOT human observation. It is an easy mistake to make, but to sum very quickly: "measurement requires interaction which therefore changes particle state" VS "change in particle state requires interaction with does NOT require measurement". These two things are not the same. There is nothing magical about human observation affecting the way the universe works, so far as we have discovered.
It’s a bit of a stretch but sure. I imagine relationalism is becoming more popular than newton’s independent view of space and time, at least in philosophy of physics circles. Quantum physics has made it obvious that we cannot study the world without affecting it, and moreso, entanglement suggests we reconsider the otherwise flat tapestry of spatial and temporal connections. Simultaneously, the compatibility of purely epistemological interpretations of quantum theory, such as QBism, is surprisingly attractive due to their minimal ontological assumptions.
Do the deep dive!
Kants view of space and time as mere tools of perception reminds me of the Hindu idea of maya which is described to mean the physical world but also to mean illusion
Multiplicity is the case of there being multiple Michael Keatons in the world
Metaphysics is the byproduct of axiology.
Physics is the byproduct of metaphysics.
Our worldview tells as much about what we value as it tells about the nature of reality.
Schopenhauer was a profound influence on all arts and sciences during that time.