The analog vs digital thing is like vegetables. There are no such things as vegetables in botany or biology, they only exist in nutrition. There are berries, legumes, tubers, roots stems, etc., but only in nutrition are they called vegetables. When talking about signals, analog is often used for technically digital signals that seemingly have the capability to send the full range that can be received instead of stepped or strictly 1/0 on/off. So while a lot of modern "analog" signals are technically digital, they are effectively analog for all intents and purposes. Sidenote: this video kind of perfectly encapsulates Destiny's thought process. Starts off assuming he knows things and aggressively threatens to ban. Almost instantly realizes he doesn't have any grasp of the actual topic at hand. Quickly absorbs information encountering multiple plateaus alternating between understanding new information and realizing he doesn't have a firm grasp yet. Then chooses an arbitrary stopping point where he probably has a better understanding than most, but still has some blind spots that he will aggressively ban people if they comment something close as a defense mechanism.
the side note is a crazy accurate analysis. You could see it on his face when optimum mentioned the script existing for 11 years, meaning the chatter who said it was a script was telling the truth in a sense, but was smugly told off immediately.
@@MasterHieiye it's just being called analogue since we had analogue sticks. It just refers to the fact that that it's an input that isn't a simple on off single like a d pad it now has a value just like destiny was talking about. I don't really know why they decided to call it analogue but it has been called it for what 25/30 years and I'm sure destiny must know it's called an analogue stick or analogue triggers or analogue buttons in the case of the PS2 and PS3 controller. Perhaps pressure sensitive would be a more accurate term but it doesn't sound as cool
Classic. Some guy in chat correctly saying this is software (but embedded in the hardware, e.g. as firmware) gets completely shit on and called a "r*tard". The Destiny goes on to make a completely incorrect description of how he believes this keyboard works. If he'd just spend two minutes watching the video instead of this dumb speculation about how it *might* work, it becomes OBVIOUS how this is easy to do in firmware, and also in software on the computer.
Nice. I’m downloading the software into the switches on my keyboard right now. God it’s so easy and simple to do and explain I can’t believe it took until 2024 for it to become available for consumers.
@@SDREHXC I know you're just being flippant, but the switches are completely irrelevant. You just need a controller (i.e. software) at the USB output that only sends the latest pressed key if multiple keys are pressed. In fact, you can implement this for *any* USB keyboard by adding a small dongle with a microcontroller between the keyboard and your computer, and program it yourself. There's a reason other keyboard manufacturers (Wooting) has retroactively added this feature to a huge part of the lineup, even keyboards that are seven years old.
Yeah if it wasn't software Wooting couldn't update the keyboards and add this feature. Even if someone has no understanding of hardware this should be clear.
As someone who works in industrial controls, Let me try clearing things up; Analog inputs are indeed a thing, typically a voltage range (ex. 0-10v) or current (4-20ma). Traditional keyboards would be considered discrete inputs, meaning the keys depress a mechanism that changes state from open to closed with no granularity. This keyboard seems to use an analog input, meaning there is probably a variable resistor that changes resistance as the key travels, making for infinite granularity between resting and full press. HOWEVER there is certainly a signal processor built into the keyboard that converts these analog signals into digital integers that are an approximation of the true analog signal, because modern computers are almost entirely digital, meaning they deal with discrete 1s and 0s, not analog voltage ranges. For bonus points, analog computers, meaning computers that perform calculations with waveforms rather than discrete logic, used to be a thing before the digital age and were used for things from bomb sights on planes, to tidal predictors for boats. They may be having a comeback too, which I for one am super stoked to see.
Yes!!! finally someone that understands it!! I come from the mechanical keyboard hobby and can say you're definitely spot on how the sensing concept is, the difference on the wooting vs the razer physically is just how the switches itself are designed to implement it. Wooting uses Hall-effect switches, which uses magnets on the sliders and measures the electromagnetic force to get the data for proximity, position and speed of presses. The Razer keyboard uses Optical sensors that shoot light towards their slider to collect their data. Both form of switches technically have existed and in use for a long time, usually in applications where uptime & reliability matters a lot more (ex: in old nuclear plant terminals, etc), but they used to be very expensive and bulky, and the keyboards that have them usually lack the compatibility of newer keyboard form-factors and accessories. For bonus context: It has probably only been like 7~8 years ago that manufacturers have finally found an incentive to manufacture smaller versions of those switches and sensors that fit on the footprint of a modern keyboard. And they also modernized it with sliders that are compatible with the Cherry MX cross style stem keycaps (the most commonly used mechanical keyboard switch type currently). At that time, vintage keyboard enthusiasts (like Chryosran22 on youtube) and forums like Deskthority/Geekhack started to gain views following the growing trend of the mechanical keyboard hobby, which were starting to be filled with people unsatisfied with the stagnation and limitation of the discrete Cherry MX design (and subsequent clones of it) Sadly i think there's not really a lot of innovations going around again pushing the boundaries for switch design, most of the keyboard hobbyist now focus on more subjective preferences like the sound profiles of switches etc, so it has looped back to being slow again lol
@@Ribcut The entire point of the comment was to indicate that he knows Destiny's background. He wasn't even trolling. Literally just saying "for a second I forgot he played games for a living Aware"
On the topic of analog and digital there’s really 4 words that one ought to understand. Something is **discrete** if it can exist in only one of a countable (but potentially infinite) number of states. For example, the number of items in your shopping cart is discrete since it is countable (even if there is no theoretical limit on how large that number can be). Something is **continuous** if it can exist in any of an uncountably infinite number of states. The amount of water in a bottle is continuous. You can’t really count water. If your bottle is 8 ounces then you can have 0 ounces of water or you can have 8 ounces of water, but you can also have any of an infinite number of volumes in between. What makes it uncountable is that if you pick any two non-equal possible values then there will always be infinitely many possible values between them. Those two terms are more mathematical and logical in nature, and they’re kind of pivotal to understanding the distinction between analog vs digital as concepts. “Digital” is synonymous with discrete, but not at all equivalent. Data that is “digital” is made up of “digits.” The same kind of “digits” we use in writing numbers. A digit is a symbol belonging to a finite collection of possible values. Binary signals are digital signals where each item is either a 0 or a 1, but you could have a digital signal that was ternary (0,1, or 2) and it truly is better to think of these digits as symbols rather than numbers. We don’t have to have 0 or 1, we can just as easily call these “off” vs “on” or “red” vs “blue” vs “green” in some other ternary case revolving around colors. What really distinguishes “digital” from “discrete” is that “digital” really pertains to signal processing more than math/logic and where the “discrete” number of items in your shopping cart is unbound, a “digital” system is less theoretical and has a finite number of symbols that can each be in a finite number of states so there is a finite (but exponentially large) number of states the “digital” system can be in (which is why numbers can overflow into negatives when they get too big in games like Skyrim or whatever). “Analog” much like “digital” is a term that also refers to practical signal processing more than abstract logic and mathematics. Something that is analog is something that is storing a continuous piece of information. To represent pi to the 100th base-10 digit by definition requires 100 base-10 digits worth of information, however it may only require one singular piece of precise analog data. However the problem is with that word precise. A digital system’s strength is that because there are no in-between states there is little room for error. With analog there is always some amount of error in your data even if it is a teeny tiny amount. It’s possible that in an analog system you meant to store 10.38957249876… but you accidentally stored 10.38957249912… So real quick: Discrete: abstract, mathematical, countable but potentially finite or infinite. Example: Number of items in shopping cart or state of light switch. Continuous: abstract, mathematical, not countable but potentially finite or infinite. Example: volume of water in bottle or ocean. Digital: practical, signal processing, discrete but practical certainty of being finite. Example: light switch on or off, letters of alphabet. Analog: practical, signal processing, continuous but practical certainty of being finite. Example: water in bottle, hot and cold water knobs. Regarding analog sticks, they are potentially a bit of a misnomer. The sticks themselves are analog as their position occupies an infinite range of values within a finite range of movement, but that analog piece of information gets converted to digital so software can actually do something with it.
The reason for Arya meeting up with her Dire Wolf was purely symbolic. Her wolf was to watch the other one be slain and then escape into the wilderness. All the Dire wolves in season one are linked to their owners plight, as well as (loosely) their life line. This is why when Arya comes back to the north she meets her wolf, who is now much larger, full grown, and accompanied by it's family. This symbolizes Arya's return, growth, and (reunited) family ties. And, like Arya, it returns to the wild. Which we see Arya do at the end on the series.
For someone who seems to really like the series Destiny doesn’t seem to have been able to comprehend anything that happened above surface level stuff. You’d think talking to Preston Jacobs would’ve rectified that.
@@Cloudy_Jones That's Destiny with any form of art. I've heard him talk about stories before and he seems to only understand them in the most generic and formulaic possible way. He thinks only in terms of plot, and if the plot doesn't follow the graph of the hero's journey to a tee, then to him it's bad.
As someone who actually understands every single thing talked about in this video, he was spot on with virtually all of it. In fact, something came up on the video that made 90% of chat think it proved Destiny wrong when in reality it demonstrated his point further
At least for cs this basically doesn't matter. It has much less of an impact as people make it out to be. Also, we had in game binds for nulling for actual decades and it never caught on. It is banned in pro comp thought, so I think these keyboard featured should be too.
This might sound stupid but in WASD games, I press and hold W and D to move diagonally. How can you do that if the keyboard only reads input from one switch at a time?
The "snap-tap" feature is all software. It's been around for decades with null binds in CS and TF2, any keyboard can do it. Valve needs to implement this feature by default ingame for all to use, or ban it entirely, people playing different versions of the game is not good. In CS it changes the way the mechanic works that is otherwise not possible, and that's why null-binds (snap-tap) were not allowed.
@@61pokepi I don't know how that went past him. He is correct that it is the wrong terminology though. These things aren't actually analogue They just give out more information than an on off switch, but that information is still digital information. It's just for whatever reason whoever did the first analogue stick decided to call it that and it's stuck for 25/30 years since
To be honest its one of those details you dont need to know to understand how stuff works. But yeah, I was a bit surprised he didnt know about the digital/analogue input thing :D
@@rorynolan2322 Analog sticks give you an analog signal they are just a bunch of potentiometers basically. And this analog signal gets converted into a digital signal that your computer can interpret by a chip in the controller.
Destiny is usually technically adept, but all the technical talk here is pretty cringe. I'm kind of surprised dan doesn't know what continuous means, etc.
So a Keyboard responding to my intended input is cheating? It's not eliminating human error, it's removing hardware limitations and artificial/circumstantial skill gaps.
It's interesting they keep going on about FPS games. It has way more ramifications on high APM games like Wow, Starcraft, and mobas. I know Pikaboo one of the best players was talking about it and comparing to his APM which was over 300, to another guy Supatease that just started using the new keyboard and they are over 600 now. It is insane how much of an impact this has. Hard to say if it's the future in the long run when it's more accessible to people, or it won't be allowed.
I'm confused that Destiny would say this is impossible to by software but as I understand all wooting did was put out a software update that you can flash onto your wooting keyboard and have basically the same functionality.
its not that confusing, Destiny was just wrong. kinda crazy how confidently wrong he was too, makes me doubt some of the other things he says that I have no knowledge about
He was talking about the variable actuation point. Which would only be possible on a type of switch that detects more information than a typical switch. This is why wooting for example uses hall-effect sensors on the switches. Surprisingly, using magnets to detect a variable voltage to determine how far in which direction you've pressed the switch is not possible only in software.
@@TunaIRL Right but that isn't what Wooting's implementation is and I doubt that is what Razor's implementation is either. All the software is doing is making overlapping inputs nonexistent.
@@MarigoldAW Yes that's the software feature. What destiny was talking about was the feature possible by the analog switches. That is, changing the position of position of actuation dynamically. And what isn't wootings implementation? You don't think they use hall-effect or?
Arya’s wolf I believe is a callback to the wolf packs roaming before the Sharks became the Kings of the North back in the day. I presume in the books that the wolves will be roaming around fucking shit up against the enemies of the Starks
SOCD cleaning by last input priority is not automating any inputs, it's only nulling inputs. It's fairly close to (but isn't) emulating how older keyboards with rollover issues behaved and is not that helpful by itself. It's only strong when combined with the insane latency reduction of variable actuation points that are only possible with analog switches and new firmware. My conclusion as a software engineer is that neither feature by itself is cheating, and since you can't ban either of these, games will have to adapt.
the analog switch is magnetic so it is continuous and is constantly sending that information how far the key has been pressed (this is in a wooting keyboard) and to my knowledge about optical switches which might be incorrect (razer uses theses switches) they have laser(s) in the switch sending information (info about optical switches may be incorrect)
All electric inputs are analog, but computers interpret them digitally. Vice versa, a computer sends an analog signal that was converted from digital when the output device is analog like a stereo or CRT monitors. Not going to look it up, but these keyboards probably have a combination of analog switches and programing that is either on the board directly or in the driver.
Bro is old enough to vividly remember the hype around analog sticks and, later, analog triggers on controllers during the N64/PS1 era and up, yet he's confused about the term here. Sure it's digital once it's in the computer but the same goes for any other analog input you can feed into a computer. Use an analog audio signal and it gets converted into a digital signal of a given resolution if you wanna use it on anything except tape or vinyl. The same happens with analog signals on gaming peripherals. There's a, to use his word, continuous range of motion with infinite positions you physically push a stick, pull a trigger, or press a button with an analog switch in it (or move a mouse, come to think of it) and that gets converted to a digital signal of a given range instead of being either on or off like with regular switches on keyboards, buttons or d-pads. The binary on/off state does not (really) have to be converted from a continuous analog motion. So it's called digital input. The position of an analog input on a controller or keyboard does have to be converted from an analog signal. That's why it's called analog input. It makes perfect sense. Bonus fun fact: On Playstation 2 and 3 all buttons, except for start and select and L3/R3 I suppose, and the D-Pad were technically analog because they were pressure-sensitive. And I wish that was still a thing because it was criminally underutilized but in games that used it well, like Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, there are sorely missed when they aren't there (like, you can't aim your gun and then not shoot without some shenanigans. And there was something about choking enemies and how you pick them up and shake them where pressure sensitivity made a difference). But it's incredibly easy to completely miss that feature because so few games used it.
Aware all skill will be removed from everything because regards don't want to put the work in for literally anything. People that don't understand this can't understand the feeling of progressing or learning something or howe the process of doing so can be good for your mental or even therapeutic.
The point of that scene was that they were workshopping having Nymeria lead a wolf pack to take down the night king's dragon. Unfortunately the writers of GOT are hacks.
@@lampad4549 Oh you have no idea. Their first pilot was so awful that people didn't know that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister. Feedback was that many things The scripts of game of thrones are full of elaborate stage directions, and the writers seem unaware that the viewers cannot see that. They made such changes to Jeyne Westerling that Martin told them to rename the character to Talisa, because they wanted to pander Richard Madden ( Robb Stark) for an Emmy. The good girl, bad p**sy line. Changing Ellaria Sand from someone trying to get the Sand Snakes to calm down to an angry avenger who killed the entire line of House Martell in order to "avenge Oberyn," Killing Barristan Selmy who is still alive in the books and saying that having the actor explain that his character is still alive and trying to be Lord Commander of Daenerys' Queensguard made them want to kill him off more. Season 8.
I like FPS and this optimum guy's channel because it shows how ridiculously niche gaming gear can get for shooting games. monitors with ridiculous refresh rate, low lag and other weird features, mice gutted to weigh nothing, and now this freakish cheating keyboards. idk why I really enjoy the literal fetishism of computer gear for competitive shooting games. maybe because i can't afford any of it lmao
The removing of overlapping presses can definitely be done through software. It sounds wayyy less complicated than what Destiny was saying. They could just have some sort of transistor setup to only allow one key input at a time. The tricky part I'd imagine would be differentiating the new input from the old through.
Yes you can def achieve the same result through software. One of the things that makes this such a big thing in CS is that you can already achieve this same functionality though binding your movement to different aliases in your config, however using these types of configs is banned at the professional level. You could also use software like AHK to make nullbinds, although this would more likely have more delay.
Wow ive never seen Destiny saying so many wrong things on a same video. For example what he says in the min 4. And then he never corrects himself on the rest of the video?
Don't know about other games, but at least concerning cs this is just fearmongering by people who just don't know enough about the game. Yes, sure it eliminates overlap, but that's not even close to the only relevant source of error when counter strafing. Analog keyboards like wooting got you 98% there already anyway, but no one cared. So yes, if you isolate a single variable in your testing then it might look bad, but only if you're clueless. Also, this is not new. We had in game binds to achieve the same for literally ever.
This controversy is triggering the fuck out of me. The bind has been a thing for ages and other keyboards do the same thing. Also, nulls are not as OP in competitive as the video creator claims since pushing multiple buttons at the same time is useful a lot of the time. I've played KZ (the movement game mode where the nulls bind originated) for thousands of hours and its been a known thing for years. There were even plugins written to detect nulls, but you couldn't ban them outright in CS:GO because nulls were just a bind. The plugin worked based on probability and the occurrence of overlapping button pushes and it flagged plenty of known players who had built in hardware nulls without knowing it (mostly cheap membrane keyboards).
@@UkiyoIkou yeah, for valve games it doesn't matter much since null-bind scripts have been a thing for like 10 years. Hopefully hardware like this will just force gaming companies to allow more customized configs and binds since pretty much the only ones who still let you are Valve games. The negative consequence of meta configs far outweigh the negative consequences of hardware locking your competitive scene, but I doubt anything will change lol
I mean, technology advances. It's just as much as an advantage for someone to have a really accurate mouse, a fast refresh monitor, or a strong gaming pc that runs games at 300+ fps.
it's not though lol, there's still human error even if you have a 500 hz monitor or super good mouse. this literally takes out any human error when counter strafing which is just stupid
Welp FPS is just dead to me now I guess. I used to like Siege but games like that are ruined. I don't want to play a game where everyone is constantly having a seizure it just ruins my immersion completely.
@@KitchenSinkDefence the clip I was referring to was when he said no fucking way it's 120ms like it's some crazy shit when in reality it's really just a slight slight advantage at the most competitive levels of online gaming
Every industry uses it that makes controllers it's called an analog controller now it's hall effect which hall effect is getting to be old too they just now are starting to use it PS5 dual sense Edge has hall effect triggers you could also get controllers with hall effect joysticks which is an analog stick cuz it registers one to 100
@@jordanalexander1592 yeah but the thumbnail makes destiny look like some mega gaming streamer instead of some debater even tho he plays games it's more like a background for his streams
This is been done on controllers forever the idea's been there it's just nobody's put it into a keyboard just like they haven't tried to do vibration on keyboard keys maybe they have I've just haven't heard of that one
Analog is with controllers have been for the longest nothing new hall effect is where it's at magnetic registers the minor movement can't wait to see you hall effect key keyboard with the software running on it controllers have been doing Leaps and Bounds ahead of this
@@someporter bro, I was playing CS 25 years ago when internet cafe's were a thing lol..it's not that I can't play, I just don't want to, shit is boring now. Started playing COD with a controller and never looked back lol.
Oh so you're basically keyboards are starting to catch up with hall effect controllers are basically just catching up a controllers. Look at those senses Hall of fit Triggers on the back but we've always had the option to just barely lift up and pushed back down God wait till the ad vibration in each key Daniel actually feel like you're immersed it's sorry you people don't use controllers so easy
Welcome to controllerland that's all this tells me you're just missing vibration haptic feedback haptic triggers a whole bunch of s*** that makes you feel like you're actually playing
Every industry uses it that makes controllers it's called an analog controller now it's hall effect which hall effect is getting to be old too they just now are starting to use it PS5 dual sense Edge has hall effect triggers you could also get controllers with hall effect joysticks which is an analog stick cuz it registers one to 100
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This'll revolutionise the Spamming Slurs in Overwatch Chat community.
We're talking about shaving .0063s from the N keystroke to the I keystroke.
Man I’m going to type, “Nice game” so damn fast
I don't think you've played overwatch before, you'll get banned for typing 'gg ez'
Definitely notable. We’ll have to wait and see just how much this changes the paradigm
Cs is literally n words every game
it’s 2024 pls evolve hermit
The analog vs digital thing is like vegetables. There are no such things as vegetables in botany or biology, they only exist in nutrition. There are berries, legumes, tubers, roots stems, etc., but only in nutrition are they called vegetables. When talking about signals, analog is often used for technically digital signals that seemingly have the capability to send the full range that can be received instead of stepped or strictly 1/0 on/off. So while a lot of modern "analog" signals are technically digital, they are effectively analog for all intents and purposes.
Sidenote: this video kind of perfectly encapsulates Destiny's thought process. Starts off assuming he knows things and aggressively threatens to ban. Almost instantly realizes he doesn't have any grasp of the actual topic at hand. Quickly absorbs information encountering multiple plateaus alternating between understanding new information and realizing he doesn't have a firm grasp yet. Then chooses an arbitrary stopping point where he probably has a better understanding than most, but still has some blind spots that he will aggressively ban people if they comment something close as a defense mechanism.
the side note is a crazy accurate analysis. You could see it on his face when optimum mentioned the script existing for 11 years, meaning the chatter who said it was a script was telling the truth in a sense, but was smugly told off immediately.
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This guy gets it
@@phoenixeyyi think he thought the wooting keys were the focus of the video which is why he yelled at the chatter because they’re not just a script
@@MasterHieiye it's just being called analogue since we had analogue sticks. It just refers to the fact that that it's an input that isn't a simple on off single like a d pad it now has a value just like destiny was talking about. I don't really know why they decided to call it analogue but it has been called it for what 25/30 years and I'm sure destiny must know it's called an analogue stick or analogue triggers or analogue buttons in the case of the PS2 and PS3 controller. Perhaps pressure sensitive would be a more accurate term but it doesn't sound as cool
Classic. Some guy in chat correctly saying this is software (but embedded in the hardware, e.g. as firmware) gets completely shit on and called a "r*tard". The Destiny goes on to make a completely incorrect description of how he believes this keyboard works. If he'd just spend two minutes watching the video instead of this dumb speculation about how it *might* work, it becomes OBVIOUS how this is easy to do in firmware, and also in software on the computer.
Nice. I’m downloading the software into the switches on my keyboard right now.
God it’s so easy and simple to do and explain I can’t believe it took until 2024 for it to become available for consumers.
@@SDREHXC I know you're just being flippant, but the switches are completely irrelevant. You just need a controller (i.e. software) at the USB output that only sends the latest pressed key if multiple keys are pressed.
In fact, you can implement this for *any* USB keyboard by adding a small dongle with a microcontroller between the keyboard and your computer, and program it yourself. There's a reason other keyboard manufacturers (Wooting) has retroactively added this feature to a huge part of the lineup, even keyboards that are seven years old.
Right i couldn't hold in a giggle when the man mentioned this on his video. The danger of thinking you know but having no actual idea
It’s hardware and software. These are hallefect switches, and also implements software
Yeah if it wasn't software Wooting couldn't update the keyboards and add this feature. Even if someone has no understanding of hardware this should be clear.
As someone who works in industrial controls, Let me try clearing things up;
Analog inputs are indeed a thing, typically a voltage range (ex. 0-10v) or current (4-20ma).
Traditional keyboards would be considered discrete inputs, meaning the keys depress a mechanism that changes state from open to closed with no granularity.
This keyboard seems to use an analog input, meaning there is probably a variable resistor that changes resistance as the key travels, making for infinite granularity between resting and full press.
HOWEVER there is certainly a signal processor built into the keyboard that converts these analog signals into digital integers that are an approximation of the true analog signal, because modern computers are almost entirely digital, meaning they deal with discrete 1s and 0s, not analog voltage ranges.
For bonus points, analog computers, meaning computers that perform calculations with waveforms rather than discrete logic, used to be a thing before the digital age and were used for things from bomb sights on planes, to tidal predictors for boats. They may be having a comeback too, which I for one am super stoked to see.
Yes!!! finally someone that understands it!!
I come from the mechanical keyboard hobby and can say you're definitely spot on how the sensing concept is, the difference on the wooting vs the razer physically is just how the switches itself are designed to implement it.
Wooting uses Hall-effect switches, which uses magnets on the sliders and measures the electromagnetic force to get the data for proximity, position and speed of presses. The Razer keyboard uses Optical sensors that shoot light towards their slider to collect their data. Both form of switches technically have existed and in use for a long time, usually in applications where uptime & reliability matters a lot more (ex: in old nuclear plant terminals, etc), but they used to be very expensive and bulky, and the keyboards that have them usually lack the compatibility of newer keyboard form-factors and accessories.
For bonus context: It has probably only been like 7~8 years ago that manufacturers have finally found an incentive to manufacture smaller versions of those switches and sensors that fit on the footprint of a modern keyboard. And they also modernized it with sliders that are compatible with the Cherry MX cross style stem keycaps (the most commonly used mechanical keyboard switch type currently). At that time, vintage keyboard enthusiasts (like Chryosran22 on youtube) and forums like Deskthority/Geekhack started to gain views following the growing trend of the mechanical keyboard hobby, which were starting to be filled with people unsatisfied with the stagnation and limitation of the discrete Cherry MX design (and subsequent clones of it)
Sadly i think there's not really a lot of innovations going around again pushing the boundaries for switch design, most of the keyboard hobbyist now focus on more subjective preferences like the sound profiles of switches etc, so it has looped back to being slow again lol
for a second when i saw him talking about this the first thing i thought was “wtf does Destiny know about gaming” Aware
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He was a professional Starcraft player.
@@Ribcut no way bro really
@@1birdwatcherr I was just making sure. Most people don't even know that. I didn't know you were trolling at first.
@@Ribcut The entire point of the comment was to indicate that he knows Destiny's background. He wasn't even trolling. Literally just saying "for a second I forgot he played games for a living Aware"
Destiny is my favorite lawyer, doctor, IT expert, politician, political commentator, chef, gamer, and a parent.
Sounds like my girlfriends math teacher Johnny Sins
I'm glad we have these two experts sharing their wisdom with us simple plebs.
On the topic of analog and digital there’s really 4 words that one ought to understand.
Something is **discrete** if it can exist in only one of a countable (but potentially infinite) number of states. For example, the number of items in your shopping cart is discrete since it is countable (even if there is no theoretical limit on how large that number can be).
Something is **continuous** if it can exist in any of an uncountably infinite number of states. The amount of water in a bottle is continuous. You can’t really count water. If your bottle is 8 ounces then you can have 0 ounces of water or you can have 8 ounces of water, but you can also have any of an infinite number of volumes in between. What makes it uncountable is that if you pick any two non-equal possible values then there will always be infinitely many possible values between them.
Those two terms are more mathematical and logical in nature, and they’re kind of pivotal to understanding the distinction between analog vs digital as concepts.
“Digital” is synonymous with discrete, but not at all equivalent. Data that is “digital” is made up of “digits.” The same kind of “digits” we use in writing numbers. A digit is a symbol belonging to a finite collection of possible values. Binary signals are digital signals where each item is either a 0 or a 1, but you could have a digital signal that was ternary (0,1, or 2) and it truly is better to think of these digits as symbols rather than numbers. We don’t have to have 0 or 1, we can just as easily call these “off” vs “on” or “red” vs “blue” vs “green” in some other ternary case revolving around colors. What really distinguishes “digital” from “discrete” is that “digital” really pertains to signal processing more than math/logic and where the “discrete” number of items in your shopping cart is unbound, a “digital” system is less theoretical and has a finite number of symbols that can each be in a finite number of states so there is a finite (but exponentially large) number of states the “digital” system can be in (which is why numbers can overflow into negatives when they get too big in games like Skyrim or whatever).
“Analog” much like “digital” is a term that also refers to practical signal processing more than abstract logic and mathematics. Something that is analog is something that is storing a continuous piece of information. To represent pi to the 100th base-10 digit by definition requires 100 base-10 digits worth of information, however it may only require one singular piece of precise analog data. However the problem is with that word precise. A digital system’s strength is that because there are no in-between states there is little room for error. With analog there is always some amount of error in your data even if it is a teeny tiny amount. It’s possible that in an analog system you meant to store 10.38957249876… but you accidentally stored 10.38957249912…
So real quick:
Discrete: abstract, mathematical, countable but potentially finite or infinite. Example: Number of items in shopping cart or state of light switch.
Continuous: abstract, mathematical, not countable but potentially finite or infinite.
Example: volume of water in bottle or ocean.
Digital: practical, signal processing, discrete but practical certainty of being finite. Example: light switch on or off, letters of alphabet.
Analog: practical, signal processing, continuous but practical certainty of being finite. Example: water in bottle, hot and cold water knobs.
Regarding analog sticks, they are potentially a bit of a misnomer. The sticks themselves are analog as their position occupies an infinite range of values within a finite range of movement, but that analog piece of information gets converted to digital so software can actually do something with it.
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People often call continuous signals that come out of a DAC, as “digital”
The reason for Arya meeting up with her Dire Wolf was purely symbolic. Her wolf was to watch the other one be slain and then escape into the wilderness. All the Dire wolves in season one are linked to their owners plight, as well as (loosely) their life line. This is why when Arya comes back to the north she meets her wolf, who is now much larger, full grown, and accompanied by it's family. This symbolizes Arya's return, growth, and (reunited) family ties. And, like Arya, it returns to the wild. Which we see Arya do at the end on the series.
Good luck convincing people with that one, so many common writing tropes have been decreed invalid cause game of thrones did them.
For someone who seems to really like the series Destiny doesn’t seem to have been able to comprehend anything that happened above surface level stuff. You’d think talking to Preston Jacobs would’ve rectified that.
@@Cloudy_Jones That's Destiny with any form of art. I've heard him talk about stories before and he seems to only understand them in the most generic and formulaic possible way. He thinks only in terms of plot, and if the plot doesn't follow the graph of the hero's journey to a tee, then to him it's bad.
Destiny swears he knows everything. Proceeds to fail his own demonstration, continues speaking on a topic he has no clue about.
Where did he say he knows everything?
can you be more specific?
@@masonv9333 he cant
As someone who actually understands every single thing talked about in this video, he was spot on with virtually all of it. In fact, something came up on the video that made 90% of chat think it proved Destiny wrong when in reality it demonstrated his point further
destiny used to put together computers like 10 years ago and still keeps his uber confidence when it comes to computer topics now. it makes me rage!!!
fighting game players been dealing with this get ready for a crisis of competition lol
Was literally about to type about socd cleaning lmao
EXACTLY. Its the hitbox debate but extended to all competitive games
dumbass fightsticks need to be done with anyway
At least for cs this basically doesn't matter. It has much less of an impact as people make it out to be. Also, we had in game binds for nulling for actual decades and it never caught on. It is banned in pro comp thought, so I think these keyboard featured should be too.
i think most fighting game competitions, at least, are gonna stick to controller
3:48 Drake definitely getting this keyboard
This might sound stupid but in WASD games, I press and hold W and D to move diagonally. How can you do that if the keyboard only reads input from one switch at a time?
You choose which keys can't overlap with each other, so just A and D will be affected
The "snap-tap" feature is all software. It's been around for decades with null binds in CS and TF2, any keyboard can do it. Valve needs to implement this feature by default ingame for all to use, or ban it entirely, people playing different versions of the game is not good. In CS it changes the way the mechanic works that is otherwise not possible, and that's why null-binds (snap-tap) were not allowed.
destiny's never heard of analog sticks or analog triggers before apparently
@@61pokepi I don't know how that went past him. He is correct that it is the wrong terminology though. These things aren't actually analogue They just give out more information than an on off switch, but that information is still digital information. It's just for whatever reason whoever did the first analogue stick decided to call it that and it's stuck for 25/30 years since
To be honest its one of those details you dont need to know to understand how stuff works. But yeah, I was a bit surprised he didnt know about the digital/analogue input thing :D
@@rorynolan2322 Analog sticks give you an analog signal they are just a bunch of potentiometers basically. And this analog signal gets converted into a digital signal that your computer can interpret by a chip in the controller.
Destiny is usually technically adept, but all the technical talk here is pretty cringe. I'm kind of surprised dan doesn't know what continuous means, etc.
Built-in NULL bind is crazy. Esp when it'd work for ANY game, it's a thing you can do with scripts on CS
So a Keyboard responding to my intended input is cheating? It's not eliminating human error, it's removing hardware limitations and artificial/circumstantial skill gaps.
Damn I was excited to watch destiny get into digital audio and explain bit rates.
It's interesting they keep going on about FPS games. It has way more ramifications on high APM games like Wow, Starcraft, and mobas. I know Pikaboo one of the best players was talking about it and comparing to his APM which was over 300, to another guy Supatease that just started using the new keyboard and they are over 600 now. It is insane how much of an impact this has. Hard to say if it's the future in the long run when it's more accessible to people, or it won't be allowed.
Destiny the dude who don’t know shit about something then reads one paragraph about it on google and acts like he is an expert on it lmao
I'm confused that Destiny would say this is impossible to by software but as I understand all wooting did was put out a software update that you can flash onto your wooting keyboard and have basically the same functionality.
its not that confusing, Destiny was just wrong.
kinda crazy how confidently wrong he was too, makes me doubt some of the other things he says that I have no knowledge about
@@m1lkbags he's literally right there's no way to process the position of a switch on a regular keyboard
He was talking about the variable actuation point. Which would only be possible on a type of switch that detects more information than a typical switch. This is why wooting for example uses hall-effect sensors on the switches. Surprisingly, using magnets to detect a variable voltage to determine how far in which direction you've pressed the switch is not possible only in software.
@@TunaIRL Right but that isn't what Wooting's implementation is and I doubt that is what Razor's implementation is either. All the software is doing is making overlapping inputs nonexistent.
@@MarigoldAW Yes that's the software feature. What destiny was talking about was the feature possible by the analog switches. That is, changing the position of position of actuation dynamically.
And what isn't wootings implementation? You don't think they use hall-effect or?
Arya’s wolf I believe is a callback to the wolf packs roaming before the Sharks became the Kings of the North back in the day. I presume in the books that the wolves will be roaming around fucking shit up against the enemies of the Starks
SOCD cleaning by last input priority is not automating any inputs, it's only nulling inputs. It's fairly close to (but isn't) emulating how older keyboards with rollover issues behaved and is not that helpful by itself. It's only strong when combined with the insane latency reduction of variable actuation points that are only possible with analog switches and new firmware. My conclusion as a software engineer is that neither feature by itself is cheating, and since you can't ban either of these, games will have to adapt.
Built-in Macros (Patiently waiting for SteelSeries to add this)
Apex pro already allowed you to change the sensitivity of every key so id assume it would be a quick software update
@@Lemonteaxiyessssssir. watch them pull a lame move and only add it to some KBs
Steelseries have it already for months....It was update early this year or last year, dont remember.
the analog switch is magnetic so it is continuous and is constantly sending that information how far the key has been pressed (this is in a wooting keyboard) and to my knowledge about optical switches which might be incorrect (razer uses theses switches) they have laser(s) in the switch sending information (info about optical switches may be incorrect)
practically speaking it's analogue but technically the signal from the hall sensor is digitized into discrete magnet value.
-10,000,000 aura for the last chapter being named “analogue” vs analog
All electric inputs are analog, but computers interpret them digitally. Vice versa, a computer sends an analog signal that was converted from digital when the output device is analog like a stereo or CRT monitors. Not going to look it up, but these keyboards probably have a combination of analog switches and programing that is either on the board directly or in the driver.
No electrical input is analog
Bro is old enough to vividly remember the hype around analog sticks and, later, analog triggers on controllers during the N64/PS1 era and up, yet he's confused about the term here. Sure it's digital once it's in the computer but the same goes for any other analog input you can feed into a computer. Use an analog audio signal and it gets converted into a digital signal of a given resolution if you wanna use it on anything except tape or vinyl.
The same happens with analog signals on gaming peripherals. There's a, to use his word, continuous range of motion with infinite positions you physically push a stick, pull a trigger, or press a button with an analog switch in it (or move a mouse, come to think of it) and that gets converted to a digital signal of a given range instead of being either on or off like with regular switches on keyboards, buttons or d-pads.
The binary on/off state does not (really) have to be converted from a continuous analog motion. So it's called digital input.
The position of an analog input on a controller or keyboard does have to be converted from an analog signal. That's why it's called analog input. It makes perfect sense.
Bonus fun fact: On Playstation 2 and 3 all buttons, except for start and select and L3/R3 I suppose, and the D-Pad were technically analog because they were pressure-sensitive. And I wish that was still a thing because it was criminally underutilized but in games that used it well, like Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, there are sorely missed when they aren't there (like, you can't aim your gun and then not shoot without some shenanigans. And there was something about choking enemies and how you pick them up and shake them where pressure sensitivity made a difference).
But it's incredibly easy to completely miss that feature because so few games used it.
Aware all skill will be removed from everything because regards don't want to put the work in for literally anything.
People that don't understand this can't understand the feeling of progressing or learning something or howe the process of doing so can be good for your mental or even therapeutic.
Damn destiny should stick to politics kek
Shout-out to optimum!!!! Dude makes good vids!
The point of that scene was that they were workshopping having Nymeria lead a wolf pack to take down the night king's dragon.
Unfortunately the writers of GOT are hacks.
How fucking badass would that have been huh
First of thats the dumbest thing that would have ever been in the series
Secondly how would that make them hacks
@@lampad4549
Oh you have no idea.
Their first pilot was so awful that people didn't know that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister. Feedback was that many things
The scripts of game of thrones are full of elaborate stage directions, and the writers seem unaware that the viewers cannot see that.
They made such changes to Jeyne Westerling that Martin told them to rename the character to Talisa, because they wanted to pander Richard Madden ( Robb Stark) for an Emmy.
The good girl, bad p**sy line.
Changing Ellaria Sand from someone trying to get the Sand Snakes to calm down to an angry avenger who killed the entire line of House Martell in order to "avenge Oberyn,"
Killing Barristan Selmy who is still alive in the books and saying that having the actor explain that his character is still alive and trying to be Lord Commander of Daenerys' Queensguard made them want to kill him off more.
Season 8.
"120ms is an ungodly amount of time."
things gamers say.
hahahahaha null binds existed for all of csgo. they gave me my only 280 long jump
Destiny missed the party where it said it was a software update
smartest destiny moment 💀
I like how destiny pouts after getting btfo'd by a one guy. It's like how acts on Twitter. And debates. And life. It's funny.
My keyboard only repeats the last one, I guess it depends on how new it is.
I like FPS and this optimum guy's channel because it shows how ridiculously niche gaming gear can get for shooting games.
monitors with ridiculous refresh rate, low lag and other weird features, mice gutted to weigh nothing, and now this freakish cheating keyboards. idk why I really enjoy the literal fetishism of computer gear for competitive shooting games.
maybe because i can't afford any of it lmao
New keyboard lore just dropped
The removing of overlapping presses can definitely be done through software. It sounds wayyy less complicated than what Destiny was saying. They could just have some sort of transistor setup to only allow one key input at a time. The tricky part I'd imagine would be differentiating the new input from the old through.
Yes you can def achieve the same result through software. One of the things that makes this such a big thing in CS is that you can already achieve this same functionality though binding your movement to different aliases in your config, however using these types of configs is banned at the professional level. You could also use software like AHK to make nullbinds, although this would more likely have more delay.
this is the direction mouse and keyboards have to go to compete with controller aim assist in modern shooters.
Yeah you just explained R to an L2 on every controller hall effect and old school analog controllers
Destiny explained this exactly wrong
Wow ive never seen Destiny saying so many wrong things on a same video. For example what he says in the min 4. And then he never corrects himself on the rest of the video?
He will never admit when he's wrong he's got such a massive ego about having to be right lmao
It’s just superior technology, not cheating. Like having a better GPU can give you better FPS and better frame latency.
thats so funny i was like "this sounds like the null script i use in tf2" LOL
Watching people shit themselves because they discovered nulls is pretty funny.
This shit was built into the k120 like 20 years ago.
Don't know about other games, but at least concerning cs this is just fearmongering by people who just don't know enough about the game. Yes, sure it eliminates overlap, but that's not even close to the only relevant source of error when counter strafing. Analog keyboards like wooting got you 98% there already anyway, but no one cared.
So yes, if you isolate a single variable in your testing then it might look bad, but only if you're clueless.
Also, this is not new. We had in game binds to achieve the same for literally ever.
Technology has been out for years hall effect has been off for years it's been our controllers forever
Computers have dacs digital to analog
This controversy is triggering the fuck out of me. The bind has been a thing for ages and other keyboards do the same thing. Also, nulls are not as OP in competitive as the video creator claims since pushing multiple buttons at the same time is useful a lot of the time.
I've played KZ (the movement game mode where the nulls bind originated) for thousands of hours and its been a known thing for years. There were even plugins written to detect nulls, but you couldn't ban them outright in CS:GO because nulls were just a bind. The plugin worked based on probability and the occurrence of overlapping button pushes and it flagged plenty of known players who had built in hardware nulls without knowing it (mostly cheap membrane keyboards).
You're right, content creators are clickbaiting the shit out of this kinda annoying
Damn, I just bought a keyboard.
If you play counter strike you can just add null binds and it does the same thing
@@UkiyoIkou yeah, for valve games it doesn't matter much since null-bind scripts have been a thing for like 10 years. Hopefully hardware like this will just force gaming companies to allow more customized configs and binds since pretty much the only ones who still let you are Valve games. The negative consequence of meta configs far outweigh the negative consequences of hardware locking your competitive scene, but I doubt anything will change lol
No you're very wrong buddy you don't know what you're talking about the chats definitely right on this you're thinking Music Man
normies finding out about nulls
I mean, technology advances. It's just as much as an advantage for someone to have a really accurate mouse, a fast refresh monitor, or a strong gaming pc that runs games at 300+ fps.
Still not able to afford a PC and new monitor for playing at 144hz. 8 years running. 😂😂😂
it's not though lol, there's still human error even if you have a 500 hz monitor or super good mouse. this literally takes out any human error when counter strafing which is just stupid
Welp FPS is just dead to me now I guess. I used to like Siege but games like that are ruined. I don't want to play a game where everyone is constantly having a seizure it just ruins my immersion completely.
competitive shooters are cooked
It feels so clean. Idk why people say it’s cheating in overwatch. It just feels so much more intuitive
You don’t need a switch to detect its location you simply check if the 1 becomes a 0 and you know the switch is moving upwards
you didn't pay attention
They just have to put a setting in the game to enable it for any keyboard...
so wait new technology is cheating now?
120ms is only .12 seconds
Human reaction is ~0.2 seconds. Doesn't take much to get an advantage
said someone whos never played an online game
@@KitchenSinkDefence the clip I was referring to was when he said no fucking way it's 120ms like it's some crazy shit when in reality it's really just a slight slight advantage at the most competitive levels of online gaming
@KitchenSinkDefence also 120ms is less than the human reaction time of 150ms.
everything destiny is saying about keyboards is wrong, this is just a software script
Obviously cheating
Every industry uses it that makes controllers it's called an analog controller now it's hall effect which hall effect is getting to be old too they just now are starting to use it PS5 dual sense Edge has hall effect triggers you could also get controllers with hall effect joysticks which is an analog stick cuz it registers one to 100
most random video ever
Not really if you're up to date on RUclips/ this kind of stuff
@@jordanalexander1592 yeah but the thumbnail makes destiny look like some mega gaming streamer instead of some debater even tho he plays games it's more like a background for his streams
Destiny forgot that fiber optic audio exists for a reason 🤦♂️
so its like a hitbox for fighting games
Like rolling in Tetris.
literally nothing like that lmao
It's a cool feature but far from "cheating". Great marketing tho.
This is been done on controllers forever the idea's been there it's just nobody's put it into a keyboard just like they haven't tried to do vibration on keyboard keys maybe they have I've just haven't heard of that one
Analog is with controllers have been for the longest nothing new hall effect is where it's at magnetic registers the minor movement can't wait to see you hall effect key keyboard with the software running on it controllers have been doing Leaps and Bounds ahead of this
That's why I play with a controller lol
Because you can't aim?
@@someporter bro, I was playing CS 25 years ago when internet cafe's were a thing lol..it's not that I can't play, I just don't want to, shit is boring now. Started playing COD with a controller and never looked back lol.
The keyboard is allowed because we can make money off it where the script was free
Teehee!
it is software not sure why the two boomers had a mental overload kind of annoying to hear that tbh
Oh so you're basically keyboards are starting to catch up with hall effect controllers are basically just catching up a controllers. Look at those senses Hall of fit Triggers on the back but we've always had the option to just barely lift up and pushed back down God wait till the ad vibration in each key Daniel actually feel like you're immersed it's sorry you people don't use controllers so easy
just use macro
Welcome to controllerland that's all this tells me you're just missing vibration haptic feedback haptic triggers a whole bunch of s*** that makes you feel like you're actually playing
Every industry uses it that makes controllers it's called an analog controller now it's hall effect which hall effect is getting to be old too they just now are starting to use it PS5 dual sense Edge has hall effect triggers you could also get controllers with hall effect joysticks which is an analog stick cuz it registers one to 100