Emergency Parachute On (Bad) Cloud
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2017
- GOPRO RECORDING SUDDENLY STOPPED BECAUSE I PERHAPS BUMPED MY WRIST REMOTE CONTROL OR, AS IT OFTEN HAPPENS, THE WiFi CONNECTION GOT DISCONNECTED, SO ONCE I SAW IT WAS IN STAND-BY I THEN TURNED IT ON AGAIN
IL FILMATO SI INTERROMPE FORSE PERCHE' HO URTATO IL TELECOMANDO SUL POLSO OPPURE PERCHE', COME A VOLTE SUCCEDE, IL WiFi SI SCOLLEGA PER POI RIPRENDERE. IN QUESTO CASO L'HO VISTO IN STAND-BY E COSI' L'HO RIACCESO
Giornata molto invitante con "base nube" a circa 3200mt. Dopo due ore di volo e fatta la prima boa sul Mnt. Nuria, riportando valori di ascesa nella norma - da 2,50ms a 3,5/4 ms. Mentre ero sotto una "strada di cumuli" senza nessun preavviso sono risucchiato dentro il cumulo ad oltre 10ms. Penso di essere rimasto dentro per circa 3 minuti nei quali ero centrifugato sostenendo tante G in tutte le direzioni fino a quando il cumulo m'ha sputato fuori in verticale e con un rotore sul bordo d'uscita facendomi andare in tumbling (capriola in avanti) a circa 2700mt. Ricadendo dentro la vela sia la chiglia che la barra si sono troncate di netto e così ho lanciato il paracadute d'emergenza. Dopo circa 10 minuti sono atterrato su un campo in leggera salita tutto OK 😎😎😊😎😎
E pensare che un amico parapendista era passato circa una cinquantina di minuti prima di me esattamente sotto i stessi cumuli senza avvertire nulla, la sua traccia è su XContest Italia.
L'esperienza ricavata mi farà affrontare i cumuli e soprattutto le future "strade di cumuli" molto più sul bordo piuttosto che come ho fatto - fidandomi della giornata standard - in questo volo.
Ringrazio Claudio Papa della PRODELTA per il perfetto ripiegamento dell'emergenza SKY SYSTEM 110 effettuato a scadenze annuali!!!
Ringrazio la WOODYVALLEY per l'ottimo e robusto imbrago Tenax-4 che pur subendo forze G imponenti ha resistito perfettamente , subendo solo un parziale scioglimento della boccola & della corda del cambio assetto e lo svergolamento dei golfari di fine corsa!!!
Poggio Bustone (RI) - 17/08/2017 #hanggliding #deltaplano #playingwithclouds
GOPRO RECORDING SUDDENLY STOPPED BECAUSE I PERHAPS BUMPED MY WRIST REMOTE CONTROL OR, AS IT OFTEN HAPPENS, THE WiFi CONNECTION GOT DISCONNECTED, SO ONCE I SAW IT WAS IN STAND-BY I THEN TURNED IT ON AGAIN
A very good day with "cloud base" at about 3200mt. After two hours of flying e returning from first turnpoint at Mnt. Nuria, experiencing standard climbing figures - from 2,50ms to 3,5/4ms. While flying beneath a "cumuli road" all of a sudden without any kind of signal I've been pulled inside the cumuli at more than 10ms. I guess I had been inside for around 3 minutes in which I was whirled in a centrifuge sustaining lots of Gs in all directions until the cloud spit me out firstly vertical and secondly with a rotor onto the trailing edge forcing me into a tumbling (forward somersault) at about 3700mt. By falling into the sail both keel and speedbar snapped and therefore I had to deploy the emergency parachute. Then after 10 minutes I landed alright on a slightly slope field 😎😎😊😎😎
Thinking back, a paraglider friend flew right under the same cumuli about 50 minutes before me with no proble at all, his flight is posted on XContest Italia.
The experience that I achieved will have me approaching cumuli and especially a "cumuli road" much more on their edge rather than how I had done - trusting such standard day.
I'd like to thank Claudio Papa of PRODELTA for his excellent reserve's pack-job of SKY SYSTEM 110 done annually!!!
I'l like to thank WOODYVALLEY for is excellent and sturdy harness Tenax-4 which even though underwent major Gs resisted perfectly, sustaining only some melting at the rope and its sliding plastic-threaded & its bent eyebolt of its pitch-change system!!!
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Thankful you made it and obviously learned and helped me to learn. Thank you so much and being a stand up person and posting this. I am trying to learn everything I can. Amazing flight before that and even a pretty good free float. Thanks again
Thanx. Yeah my intention was to share some information about sudden weather changes and possible related mistakes to be avoid it. Unfortunately the GoPro remote control must have been hit otherwise we all could have watched the cumuli's wayout plus the consequent tumbling. Cheers 👋 👋
Regarding your other comment on my other video, I'm sure you'll be able to fulfill your dreams and once in the air you'll virtually bring your friend along with you 🌤️😃
Thanx for your input and I wish you all the best in your new flying adventures. Cheers 👋 👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta Thank you for that 🙏
@@MassimoPugiDelta I hope to one day to fly with you and you will see the man I am. Make me a deal, if I train really hard and get some hours under my belt would you fly with me if I came to find you?
@@paulmobleyscience From my videos you know where I fly so surely you're always invited to fly together 👍
Cheers 👋 👋
Used to be a flight medic in the sierra on an A-star. While passing a popular hang gliding launch area during some kind of event we encountered what appeared to be no less than 11,000 para and hang gliders (that number might be influenced by the panic if felt when I saw them….probably more like a hundred) in our flight path. I started calling out contacts to the pilot who was far less panicked than I and told me “Breathe. We got this. They’ll get out of our way.” Much to my amazement they did (far better than road traffic does when driving the ambulance). Truly an enlightened group.
... so an interesting experience!Cheers 🤙
@@MassimoPugiDelta yeah. Being a ground walker for so long then being put into an environment like that where people just get it was truly remarkable.
When we was sailing a slow (5km/h) 28ft sailboat 2000km along the Norwegian coastline we was surprised by a superfast ferry heading straight at us from close distance away and it was very little we could do to get out of the way because moving so much slower. Luckily they saw us and changed course even if they had the right of way. I imagine it must be very difficult for hang / paraglider to get out of the way from a incredibly much faster airplane...
@@a64738 You're supposed to have right of way as the sailboat BECAUSE there is so little you can do to get out of the way.
@@a64738 Generally we do not fly into restricted airspace, meaning where commercial airplanes fly. Where we usually fly we're well aware of altitude airspace restriction along with nearby airports. .
Cheers 👋 🤙
Glad that you got out of this without any major injuries. Thx for sharing!
Thanx!!! yeah, only a very very small bruise on my buttok ;) It's useful to let pilots know that even during a standard day a small cloud could become suddenly mean and that the emergency chute works fine! Cheers.
Beautiful Wills Wing glider.
Wow! So glad you were safe! Thank you for sharing, you could have saved other lives to with your honesty.
Thanx man! There's always to learn. Cheers 👋 👋
My dear friend Massimo, amazing video, very good, excelent!!!
Grazie Joas!!!
Unfortunately the remote control hit the speedbar and turned off just when we all need it to see... but at least we have the landing.
Ciao :)
Amazing video and great learning tool - thanks!
Bill Brand Thanks, that was my reason to post it.
Wow. I was glad to see you standing at the end of the video.
Thermal Flyer Thank you very much. It's been quite of an experience! Cheers ✌
Glad you're OK! It was beautiful until things went sour. Great video! Subscribed.
sonex413 thank you!
Yeah, it was just a regular Summer day with high cloud-base until a cloud suddenly became iper-active. Cheers.
glad that you are oke, good that you made a video about now other people can learn from it.
Thanks!!! I wish I had the camera on during the entire sequence, including the tumbling but unfotunately I must have hit the remote control button during the cloud's mess. But at least when everything was under control I switched it back on ;) Chees!
Glad to see you standing there, When I was learning to fly I remember my instructor saying make sure to glider takes the impact not you!
Sure!! that's always the right plan.
However, in this case and with this kind of harness I was hanging between the glider lower at nose-down attitude and the emergency parachute above, so the glider 100% would have hit before myself 👍
In fact, the downtube broke as result of that. All the other damage to the wing was caused upon the tumble. Cheers!
As a fully qualified RUclips expert I think you did allright there. Well done
Thanx ❗🤙
Welcome to Tajikistan and do it here,believe me we have very beautiful nature and high mountains,you are going to love it here..welcome again.💪
Thank you very much for the invitation, I'll keep in mind 😊
Uffz ... good to see you got a good landing place. I wish you all the best and a lot of nice, wonderful flights. Regards from Germany
Thank you very much!!!
It definitely was an important experience in order to understand what "standard" clouds could do!!
Cheers :)
Buddy I am going to go now and learn more about clouds , I wouldn't have a clue about what's cumulus cloud or other, thank and I'm glad you lived to tell and educate all of God bless 😊
Thanx❗ and keep good 🌤️
Cheers 👋 👋
Thanks for translating it to English. You made it look like it was just another day for you 😂
Great video!
Absolutely not❗... but I was very glad that everything worked out good.
Also in the past years, prior hang gliding, I practiced skydiving for a decade with good results and during that I had to deploy my emergency chute twice (in skydiving statistic reads that it happens every 800 jumps, more or less)... so I do trust emergency parachute, I've seen many skydivers deployed them but I'm definitely doing my best to avoid it in the future.
This video is about 6 years ago and I didn't have much experience about reading the sky around me, yet thru the years it has increased a lot!
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
Grazie per la condivisione di questa brutta avventura . A presto con il delta a nuovo :-)
E' sempre utile far conoscere ai piloti che anche in un giorno standard un "cumuletto" può accendersi, e che l'emergenza funziona bene!!!!
Good flying! Too bad the glider broke, but good that you are safe!
Thank you!!! Yes, the glider is being repaired and above all the outcome has been good!!! Thanx :)
va be dai, per come stavi messo è andata bene, complimenti per aver gestito la situazione +1
Grazie❗ Da allora ho imparato a non mettermi più in quel tipo di situazione... con un po' di esperienza si può e si deve fare 🤙
Ciao 👋 👋
You just about "ate" those trees...and that can hurt!
I started flying Wills Wings way back in 1973....owned one of the first Swallowtails and won a few competitions with it.
No parachutes back in those days.
Yeah, when I saw those trees I replaced my legs into the harness, however tree's canopy is better than hard soil or rocks. G
The good thing is that the wing hits the ground just before you do so it absorbs some force 👍
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
Huaw man, you are ok.
That's what matters. Nice video.
Thanx! A very valuable done experience. Cheers 👋 👋
Thx for sharing
great lesson...
Yes indeed!!!
A good lesson learned and your alive to glide another day.
Tim G Thanks. Yeah, that's really the case. Cheers!
I was expecting Bird of Pray from Fatboy Slim for the whole video.
That's only for my intro 😅
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
As always..... a good "landing!" At least it wasn't in the trees or worse! Good presence of mind to turn on the vid while under canopy. Always wondered what I'd be thinking on the way down like this. With Zero control!
If only we had steerable canopies. Something like a base-jumping rig.
Everything worked out good. I was so up high when I deployed the parachute that I could only see green below me, so it was no good to overly worry where I would have landed... it took about 10 minutes to get down.
I also used to be a skydiver for over a decade (about 3500 jumps) and during such activity I had learned not to worry ahead of time but to deal with matters only when they arise. Cheers!
Wow - being that high and then forced even higher would be scary in such a supper light craft.
Glad you made it safely back on the ground!
Thanx ‼️
Being very high is not a problem because it gives you time to plan and therefore how far to fly, as long you don't go up over 5000mt because at that altitude oxygen is scarse, however over here it's not possible for two reasons: airspace limits and unavailable weather conditions .
Generally we'd like to fly the highest possible because is safer versus flying near the terrain where a mistake may hurt a great deal.
The problem here was being sucked into the cloud and then due to its strong turbolence being flipped forward into the frame which broke. My approach was wrong to avoid it altogether ... which I've been doing since then.
In aviation emergency parachutes have been working steadily for the last 100 years 👍
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta So it had already broken before you abandoned it? I see. Was the rig repairable?
@@weatheranddarkness Yeah, I deployed my emergency chute only because of structure failure upon an induced tumble. The broken parts were replaced with new ones, and the sail didn't rip. 👋👋
999th LIKE! Let's goo!
did some cloud flying experiments in the paraglider at Elsinore my last years living there. It was all good for a couple years until one day the clouds developed super tall and I got sucked up from 7 grand to over 15K, most of that climb was violent wet, turned freezing..... one good thing about paragliders in clouds, they auto level and fly mostly straight.. unlike hang gliders...
Mitchell McAleer hi there! I know exactly that place, during the 90s I used to live in LA and I used to skydive at Perris Valley and Lake Elsinore as well. But at the time I was not flying by hang glider.
I'd definitely learnt a lot from this experience: firstly- never fly too deep beneath the cloud but always keep near the edge so to have very little distance to fly away. Secondly- never trust a day with regular shaped cumuli with standard ascending fugures because it may always ignite suddenly and violently and when it does... you're in big trouble! That's why I wanted to share my mishap 😉
Cheers 👋
Massimo Pugi. You are right, when you play with the dragon, this is what happen.On this occasion the Dragon let you live. Mother nature only sometimes tolerates human to be arrogant. I know that because I whas (arrogant) and unfortunately sometimes I'm still . Good video, thank you for sharing.(An old man who still dream)
@@MassimoPugiDelta great video. I’m a corporate airplane pilot that flys down in Southern California all the time. We’re usually descending in that area near Perris cruising down at 300knots at about 2500 feet per min in the clouds if there are any. Never even thought about a glider possibly being in the clouds. Scary thought.
@@mxcollin95 in Europe we are forbidden to fly into commercial airspaces and also into clouds. In this flight I was clear of commercial airspace yet getting vacuumed into a cloud was my mistake ❗ never planned to go into a cloud because we'll surely loose control of the wing: space disorientation + overly strong turbulence. It only took a wrong decision due by inexperience and next I was into a cloud for about a minute or more and as I had punched it out my hang glider tumbled and broke... for sure I learned a great deal out of it.
Hence the chances you might find one of us while your descending are less than zero.
Cheers 👋 👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta good to know! Glad you got out of that situation and back down in one piece! Cheers man 🤙
Thanks for the explanation on bad clouds I get it. I live in Michigan and near the airport I fly out of maybe three miles away is a hang glider operation. At the time being unaware of this I was flying at about five thousand feet and way off in the distance was this black dot and I couldn't make out what it was? As the distance closed I was sure I had sighted my first pterodactyl! Nope it was a hang glider at forty five hundred feet making circle's to the left. There was no way I could even come close to turning with him so I made large circles and watched him work the core of that thermal and he was climbing quite well. He waved a couple of times and his setup was very much like yours with the swept back wing that tapered and retractable landing gear. I wondered what you would do if the zipper failed is there a redundant system? Belly landing ouch, I would probably call my mom she a seamstress you know! LOL. You guys have a great sport but for me the view might be a little to much! Keep the videos coming Injoy them very much.
Brian Garcia thank you! Where I go flying there's a famous sailplane's school of center of Italy, therefore I often fly thermals with sailplanes and I love that machine so much. Two different ways of engineless flying yet both very unique and beautiful in their own way!
If you go to my RUclips channel, my last Two videos are with some flying along with them. I've just posted one today.
Regarding the harness, in case the zipper won't open you can force it open since the entire zipper webbing is attached by heavy-duty velcro. However, it's pilot's care to keep everything well maintained, the wing and the harness as well. Cheers!
Bad cloud ☁️ I like that! Hit the silk and live to fly another day!
Thanx❗ It's just a title 😀... but for sure I've learned a lot after what happen, it could have been avoided on my part by always keeping on the edge of a "cloud street" 🌤️ but I wasn't very experienced at the time.
Cheers! 🤙
@Massimo Pugi the cloud was getting pretty black underneath that's when to get down! At least you didn't get sucked into a frozen, broken, electrocuted end.
There was an interpretation done on this in Italian for any one who wants to know. I would rather have an accident on the ground than in the air; but for paragliding: Knowing the wind snapped the left wing and for hand gliding knowing he landed with a parachute, watching this it's okay to say no. Each and everyone is entitled to there own opinion. After realizing there was damage done to the hand glider, that was the icing on the cake.
Glad you made it safely. I am not a pilot,so I at first thought you descended using a personal chute. Never heard of one for the hang glider. Bonus was you saved the glider as well.
Thanx!
Hang gliders do have an emergency parachute in case of an eventual breakage due to mid-air collision. In my case upon getting sucked into the cloud when I exited it, because of a strong turbolence, I got flipped foward into a tumbling resulting to having myself falling into the main frame which broke. So at that point I deployed the parachute and descended to the ground.
It's a very-very rare occurrence which with more experience, not enough at the time, avoidable in total.
Cheers 👋 👋
@John Foley 😅😅... maybe in James Bond movies 😅
Cheers 👋 👋
@John Foley Sure II know there is a system as that yet it's neither convenient nor safe to have such way to deploy an emergency parachute for hang glider's pilots, plus it's adding extra weight when we try to shave off unnecessary load as much as we can. Perhaps for ultralight machines may be more suitable.
Having the emergency chute onto the harness with an easy access to its handle and being able to throw the pod into clear air, to my opinion, is the best way to go.
Cheers 👋 👋
How come you missed the trees? Nice video. Thank you for sharing it.
Vinny Photos Beacause under the round rescue parachute there is no way of controlling where you're going. The wind takes you the direction is blowing. I thought too I was going onto the trees but didn't happened. Cheers!
Legend got it wrong. Icarus didn't fly too close to the Sun, he flew too close to a Cumulus cloud. ;)
Exactly! 😅 Sun is our friend.
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
Thank God you're OK
Thanx❗ Emergency parachutes do work well. Cheers 🤙
amizing
Abdulla Alfalasi Thank you! 😉
Bad Cloud! No cloud treats for you!
😝 not the treat I expected to 😝
Cloud turned out bad because of my bad judgment
🤙 cheers
Wow!
Once in a life time something like that might happen... learned a lot from it 🤙
Unexpected detailed info useful for everyone ... Our turn to say thank you :]
Thanx! The more we all know the safer it can be. My flying awareness has improved a lot after this experience: now I always keep on the edge of a cumulus even though it has a very-very weak pull. Cheers 👋 👋
Forest fire. A big one.
Yeah, that Summer was very hot and dry so there had been many fires along the Appennines Mountain Range. I remember it took three or four days to watered such fire totally down! This year instead is very wet. Cheers.
Bad luck. Interesting to know what brand parachute you used on your descent ?
Yeah, however even in a standard day from now on I will change my approach to cumuli ;)
The reserve parachute is SKY SYSTEM 110 it deployed and worked great!! Cheers!
A caterpillar with a wing
... easily forgets its many legs in favor of only two wings ❗😅😅😅🤙
Espetacular atitude...bons vôos...
Rio de janeiro
Brasil
Thanks! Ciao 👋 👋
what reserve was that? It looked like it had a nice and slow decent rate!
joe bob Yeah, it wasn't bad at all, however you have to consider that the hang glider hit the ground slightly before me so partially absorbing the hit.
It's made by Sky System, here is their site: sky-cz.com
Cheers man!
well,, you survived to fly another day ..
To be precise I've already flown 6 more times since then 😊 ...and I'm planning to fly many more 👍👍
this is the google translator, I asked you what is the way to upload the video on youtube, or what program do you use to edit the video, because it is very good and your video has not lost quality sl upload it on youtube
Fly Candeleda parapentecandeleda Ok. Gracias. I use Power Director 13 Ultra by Cyber Link. It is not difficult to use. Hasta 👋
To upload a video on RUclips you need a good WiFi connection and some time. About 80 minutes for high quality video.
Ciao Massimo, ci siamo visti in qualche gare in Italia (Monte Cucco e pre-Mondiale Tolmezzo 2018) ho trovato la tua discesa sotto paracadute proprio lenta e morbida e come devo scambiare miei paracaduti l'anno prossimo ci sono interessato. Comunque non ho incontrato informazione su questo paracadute Sky System 110 online, se mi potresti indicare qualche dettagli di questi paracaduti sarei grato!
Hey❗nice talking to you Fabiano 👋👋
Guarda l'ho presa dieci anni fa durante il corso di deltaplano, forse essendo passati tanti anni l'azienda che li produce ha cambiato il modello/nome.
Questo è il sito, puoi contattarli e chiedere info per emergenza delta.
sky-cz.com/en/sky-system-ii
Comunque so per certo che la Independence.de produce ottime emergenze per deltaplano con tassi di caduta anche migliori, tipo 4m/s, oltre 1m/s meno della mia!
Speriamo di rivederci nel 2024❗Ciao 🤙🌤️
p.s. se ti serve un contatto per la Independence con prezzi super buoni, c'è Vittorio del Mnt. Cucco, infatti prossimamente dovrò anch'io comprarne una nuova e la prenderò da lui. Puoi contattarlo sul suo sito fb: CuccoValley. Se non riesci posso darti il suo n°
Molte grazie per tante informazioni@@MassimoPugiDelta ricercherò queste suggestioni! Buoni voli e, mi raccomando, senza bisogno di paracaduti! 🙏
@@nefelibatics Anche a te!
Una volta basta‼️ ho imparato molto da allora 😉
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
Good job remembering to turn the GoPro back on haha. Probably the last that would have been on my mind. Parachute was very slow sink rate, lucky it didn't get sucked up to.
HG Pilot When I had opened the parachute I was at a very high altitude, so while hanging there I saw the remote control clipped to my wrist being on pause therefore I turned it back on. I took about 10 minutes before I landed... the fall rate wasn't too fast however I was glad that the wing hit the ground before I did so some of the hit had been on the structure.
Let me just say that the very scary part was inside the cumuli because of the G force and because I had no idea when and how it would have ended... once hanging on emergency parachute I had felt much better!
Massimo Pugi Did the glider suffer any damage from the G forces in the cloud? Or was it all the landing?
HG Pilot I think some damage could have happened while inside the cloud but for sure when I had tumbled and fallen into the keel the bar along with keel itself snapped. Then upon landing only one basetube broke, which hit first. Then I had a bunch of battens, one sprog and part of one crossbar that broke as well, however I'm not sure whether it occurred during the cumuli wild ride or right upon tumbling.
I trusted the day since just prior that moment, while reaching base, I had encountered nothing more than +3,5 so I approached the cumuli road somewhat too deep... which I'll never do that ever again!! 😉
Massimo Pugi Wow you must have hit that keel hard. Anyway thanks for reply! Safe flying😊
Your deployment video is a wonderful way to share your new found knowledge with others, without the dangers you faced.
We have a technique we use in the U.S. for dealing with clouds that have any significant vertical development. I hope it inspires some more discussion.
First, by practicing higher speed spiral dives in air without vertical motion (and to airspeeds still within your glider's structural standards), you can acquire enough descent rate measurements (feet per minute or meters per second) from your vario to learn just how fast you can make your glider come down through the air safely. This will also give you some practice using this speed.
Once you feel you have that number, divide it (your highest sink rate) by two and the resulting number becomes the maximum climb rate you ever want to tolerate when flying or circling under big clouds at minimum sink airspeed.
Let's say I learn that in a diving spiral I can come down at 1000 feet per minute (5 meters per second). Dividing that by two gives me 500 fpm or 2.5 mps. This sink rate is usually also achievable in wings level diving flight, but possibly not on a topless glider. Since the lift under developing clouds gets stronger as you get closer to the cloud base, simply roll out, dive, and head for the closest edge of the cloud when your minimum sink climb rate reaches this number. You will likely be able to keep from getting any higher before reaching the edge of the cloud.
One at the edge of the cloud, you'll get to take advantage of the sink that's there, using it to come back down to an altitude where the lift will be weaker if you decide to head back under the cloud. By thermaling near the edges of large clouds and not near the centers, pilots often use this technique as an elevator for both going up and going down.
It's important to also stress that high speed spiral dives produce much higher g loads on the wing, harness and suspension system, so there are certainly limits to how fast one should fly in this exercise. On the other hand, getting sucked up into a cu-nim, is also very dangerous, so this could be a case of choosing the least of the evils.
These days I am flying mostly intermediate gliders and single surface gliders to this technique has much less danger.
Wishing you the best.
Joe Greblo
Thanks Joe for your input! but please let me say that the best way to handle getting sucked into an active cumulus is avoiding that situation by staying away, regardless of any spiral technique which is pure imagination. I’m going to elaborate that.
First let me say that as far as handling a hang glider is concerned it definitely isn't an issue for me since, prior to this mishap, I had performed consecutive loopings, wingovers and flat-spins therefore I know how to be in an extreme flight attitude. You may check my vidz in my channel about it :)
As I thoroughly described into the video’s data, that day the condition was very mild even right at base at about +1,5mt per second to max +2,0 mt per second (one meter is about one yard), it’s shown in the first part of the video. Then all of a sudden, as I had been cruising below a cloud street basically at base, I encountered an extreme change of climb value up to +15mt/s to +20mt/s in just few seconds time frame, maybe even more. At that point I had found myself “blinded” into deep grey and severe turbulence with all I could do was just to attempt holding strong at the speedbar and ride it through its end, which I did. Then, luckily after some time I got spit out to the top-side of the cloud right into a forward flip, a tumbling, resulting in a broken keel & speedbar thus I had deployed the emergency parachute.
Now, my BIG mistake was trusting the mild day and flying too deep in the middle of a cloud street, because you never know where and when you are going to get sucked into a cloud’s ignition with at least 55/65Km/h blowing from your belly up!
Trust me Joe, during a regular flight in strong winds the wing flies parallel to the wind blowing so, even if it’s intense, it’s possible to fly in control wheras when such strong intensity comes right from below, as in a cloud’s climb, there’s nothing you can do to oppose it because your wing turns into a sail at over 40ml/h. In addition to that as soon as you are into deep grey with NO horizon in sight, you are doomed… just hold onto the speedbar’s grip if are able to!
In conclusion, in my opinion, the only way to handle a possible extreme cloud-suction is to always keep on the very edge of a single cumuli or a cloud street, especially if you are at base, so that if the climb rate suddenly and unexpectedly becomes extreme you may still have a fairly good chance to turn towards clear sky. Do NOT think you can get into it and be able to handle such severe turbulence by spiraling or else…. Plus do not trust a weak climbing day because matters can change very abruptly and become too extreme.
Simply remember that nature is way stronger than all of us and what we know and usually manage in order to climb up to base is just a minute part of what an active cloud could deliver. Cheers 👋 👋
You’ll get no disagreement from me on your conclusions and thank you again for sharing your knowledge.
@@joegreblo810 well, after that experience my flying has changed a great deal by thinking ahead by keeping in mind that even a standard cumulus is a force of nature and because of that we must not engage any arm wrestling with it... better to keep away from it. Cheers 👋 👋 🌤️
Nicely explained...Ex HG and sailplane pilot in SoCal.
Shit Joe I forgot my calculator ha ha
Ho già avuto la stessa situazione con il parapendio, ma sono uscita 2000 metri più alti senza alcuna problème!
Almeno sei vivi! Buon voli!
Grazie!
Il parapendìo in nube è molto più stabile di un delta avanzato..
Il pilota ha due punti di aggancio al parapendìo (spalla DX & SX) cui arrivano tramite i cordini fino alle estremità alari, formando così un largo triangolo, mentre il pilota delta ha un solo aggancio che va dal suo centro schiena al centro neutro dell'ala, quindi in volo è molto instabile e va continuamente mantenuto in asse, cioè diritto, inoltre non possiede una percorrenza di trim di suo come mentre avviene con il para lasciando i comandi.
Nel. mio caso quando sono stato "sputato" fuori alla sommità laterale del cumulo (non era in sovrasviluppo) un forte rotore colpendo il mio bordo d'uscita ha mandato il delta in tumbling (capriola in avanti)
A quel punto fine dei giochi: ala rotta e apertura dell'emergenza..
Evitare di essere aspirati dentro è la chiave di tutto!
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p.s. in quasi 100 anni di aviazione il paracadute d'emergenza ha e continua a salvare i piloti
At least, you are safe !!! Great video anyway, despite the bad luck. Are you covered by your insurance? I am a french former pilot who stopped 25 years ago, and I will come back hang gliding within the next few months :) Cheers !
Thanks!! It's been very unexpected because the day was very normal and all the other pilots who flew that day had no problem, even for a paraglider who flew towards the same clouds... however when we fly we always have to be ready for whatever it might happen. I think it is kind of unlikely for something like it to occur so quicly & forcedly but the sky and its air is very volatile. Cheers :))
Well you're alive😊
Yeah, emergency parachutes do work, when properly deploy 😁
Cheers 🤙
@@MassimoPugiDelta once you get them out in clean air
@@jamesturncliff5960 Sure, on a broken hang glider you're forced to deploy it yet not so difficult to do because there's a lot of free space where to though it away clean.
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@@MassimoPugiDelta I seen lots of parag motors and paraglider videos where the reserve gets caught up in their lines I'm not so scary ride on the way down
@@jamesturncliff5960You see, hang gliders have a metal and carbon fiber frame and only 3 steel cables, one in front, one on the side and one on the back on each side so there's a lot of free room where to throw the reserve's bag into clear air. Plus to make it safer, the reserve's manufacturer supplies such system with a 12 ft long webbing which connects the reserve's bag to your harness in order to have the reserve to first leave the wing and only after that deploying into clear air.
Usually when paraglider pilots deploy their emergency chute they also have to deal with collecting, as soon as possible, the main sail in order to avoid entanglement with the reserve. In paragliding a reserve deployment procedure happens more often than with hang gliders and, depending on the type of paraglider's collapse, it can be tather tricky to do it correctly. Hang gliders never collapse or brake unless you collide with another pilot or get into a tumbling as it happened to me in this situation... my mistake was putting myself into that situation, but at that time I didn't have much experience in "reading" the sky's conditions.
Cheers 👋 🤙
J'ai pensé si il avait 2 prachute il aurait pu en larguer un et continuer a voler...croyer vous cela possible ?
No possible, it happens for skydiving. For hang gliders you only deploy the emergency parachute to slow the fall when the wing breaks and cannot fly regurarly, and the pilot remais attached to both hang glider & reserve parachute. Cheers!
Pas possible, ça arrive pour le parachutisme. Pour les deltaplanes, vous ne déployez le parachute de secours que pour ralentir la chute lorsque l'aile se casse et ne peut pas voler régulièrement, et le pilote reste attaché à la fois au deltaplane et au parachute de secours. Ciao!
How did you climb so high from your like starting point
Evolved BeefBurger We get into hot ascending air colums and by circling inside (as raptors do) we manage to rise until their tops. Such air is called thermal, which during hot season could reach up to 3500/4000mt. of altitude. So we travel many kilometers moving from one thermal to the next staying aloftt for many hours.
Usually thermals at their top become clouds that release even more heat acting like a booster for the climb. Unfortunately sometimes such extra boost could turn very violent... that's what happened to me in this flight.
Cheers!
That's why I fly gliders that have dive breaks :)
dLoLe For sure you won't have this kind of problem ... although we fly engineless, we fly in very different ways, both very enjoyable indeed😃 Cheers!
Yeah gliding has its perks, but being completely independent from anyone and being able to launch of a hill by yourself instead of being dependent on tug pilots and other peoples help around the airfield is something as well I reckon :)
That's true however, where I often fly there are many gliders around and when I see them zipping by me so fast and with that massive glide-ratio, I'd would like doing that as well 😎 Cheers
Check this vid in which I fly along with some gliders: ruclips.net/video/LY78KqTE4hU/видео.html
Massimo,
When do you pull the reserve, what if the reserve also get in the thermal, who do you do then
Cheers
Deon van Rooyen I pulled the reserve parachute after I was out of the cloud and it's strong thermal activity wasn't there anymore. I had to pull it because as soon as I was out of it I had gotten a rotor which flipped me over into a tumbler and my glider broke. However I vould never 'n' ever pull the parachute while still into the cloud right because of what you said.
If I had not gotten into a tumbler I vould have continued the flight into calm air yet very-very shaken up, though. Cheers.
Grazie per la condivisione Massimo. L'emergenza ha funzionato magnificamente mi pare. Sembra tu abbia preso proprio il momento dell'innesco del cumulo...
Si è stato un fulmine a ciel sereno, probabilmente la componente del vento Nord con il suo forte gradiente termico ha contribuito a riaccendere il cumulo con molta potenza proprio mentre passavo io... anche per questo si vola con il paracadute d'emergenza ;)
Cavolo che alto che volavi 👏👏👏 massimo rispetto
Contento che tutto si conclude bene per te..... HAMTAÏ
Si grazie!!! Tutto molto inaspettato ma alla fine si è risolto OK!!
Ciao Massimo
I am glad you are well and really want to thank you for sharing.
this really helps.
As I am about to buy a libero hg harness with the parachute coonected to the shoulder strap instead of the carabiner, I would like to know if you think things happened a softer way( deployment, descent, landing.)thanks to this solution.
I ask you because if I.m not wrong the tenax has the same way to install the reserve chute.
Thanks a lot and thumb up !!
Hey! What I've found being very good though👍 is that when you are touching the ground your glider does right before you do, so partially absorbing the impact. In fact the downtube broke upon impacting the ground, functioning as a shock absorber. Better to break the wing than your bones.
When I open the reserve chute I was very high, close to 3000mt. so I had a long way down before "landing" and I had noticed that while being attached and suspended to the chute, I was able to push and shove the wing the way I thought it was best, non very easy however possible to be done, especially few meters before touching the ground. Also consider that during descent, if you have a good altude before "landing" the wing still gets some wind and therefore moves and turns around to some extent, so if it is attached to you and not to the reserve chute, it is independent from the chute therefore you can try to move it around... as I said especially right before "landing". But keep in mind that it is NOT a comfortable way to get down right because your are the link between the reserve chute and the wing... maybe the other way (carabiner attached) might be more comfortable ❓❓ but I'm pretty sure pilot and glider would touch the ground at the same time.
If you think you have other questions, feel free to ask. Cheers 👋👋
Thanks. Your answer is usefull. As you let me ask some more questions, did the opening thrown you towards the quille or the Uprights ? I think this set up is more violent during deployment than the carabiner way but better for what is next. Do you think a swivel is usefull on the brisle as more and more emergency parachute sellers propose it to avoid twisting and then closing the canopy.It did not seem your gliser was spinning durind the descent. An opinion on those points ? Grazzie mille.
@@laurentarnoux402 The opening had some good snatch, meaning it was fairly violent but there is to consider that I had thrown the cute pod as the glider started to spin.
Here's how it went: after the turbolence & the mess inside the cumuli, finally I punched the cloud in a very vertical attitude, nose pitched up; and as soon as I stared to regain control I felt a force on my trailing edge, a rotor, and next thing I had gotten flipped forward into a tumbling. Did only 180° forward and my body landed on the glider completely flipped over: bottom surface facing the sky with me laying on my back. Amazingly the wing was very stable even though speedbar and keel had snapped. I knew it was not the right position to through the reserve so I moved to try to see if I could get the downtubes and flipped the wing the right way. However as soon as I moved the glider started to spin rather fast so at that point I deployed the parachute and after a big jerk, everything stopped, and there I was softly coming down.
My reserve has a swivel however since the wing gets the wind and does as a fan blade would do, I had noticed that the chute lines had quite a few twist. However the twist on the line after a certain poin do stop because of the force applied by the inflated canopy.
At the end I can say that everything had worked as supposed to 👍👍
Hope I am clear enough... always available for further discussion. Cheers 👋 👋
Thanks Massimo, I am impressed the way you were able to react with so much calm and efficiency ! it appears you have been fully satisfied with your system, reserve connected to the shoulders, swivel .
Have you changed something to your rescue system since ? Would you give me an advice on reserve gears.
@@laurentarnoux402 Thanx! well you have to know that during the nineties I used to be a skydiver, either in the USA as well as in Italy with good comps results, and during that career I had to deploy 2 reserve parachute in over 3500 jumps, therefore I had kept it very calm.
I'll send you the link about a video of my skydiving carreer.
After that incident, as long as my whole gear is concerned, nothing has changed.
Ciao 👋
I've seen this type of "white out panic" before.
That gilder is easily capable of speeds in excess of 70 MPH
Cloud suck is a real threat; but it looked like the pilot didn't make a real effort to dive out of it?
My approach to that part of large clouds formation was wrong and not sufficiently alert to start with because at the time I had little experience so I couldn't react quickly by preventing being sucked into it. I did not panic! I just held a strong grip at the bar and rode it until I had gotten spit out of it... then a rotor flipped my trailing edge forward.
I wasn't able to "read" the sky as I can do now, over seven years after that mishap. .
Once the cloud's cell is very active and you're just in its ascending vortex climbing over 12m/s is basically impossible to fly out of it because hang gliders are flown by weight shift thus in such strong ascending air the wing is not manageable as you'd expect. For sure in a normal air condition a hang glider can reach 70mhp (I usually do that and have fun with it) but once the nose is sky-rocketing up due to a super strong updraft there's almost nothing you could do but hold the grip and hope the climb it'll decrease to regain control.
On the other hand a sailplane is flown by mechanical controls, yoke & rudder pedals, therefore in order to pitch the nose down while being strapped firmly in the seat makes a huge difference: push the stick forward and and get out of it by easily reaching 100mhp or more❗
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
Was that a volcano or a mountain creating clouds
That one was not a volcano, just a large fire because of a very dry season.
The clouds are made by columns of hot air that rising up into the sky at certain altitude become clouds because the humidity in the climbing air goes through a condensation process. Such process sometimes has a very powerful vacuum action... that's what happened to me that day. Cheers 👋👋
Thanks for telling me that. like your videos.
You survived.
Emergency parachutes do work❗ that's their purpose, in case you didn't know...
cheers 🤙
@@MassimoPugiDelta Yes, have a 24' from 77-78.
That’s a scary feeling, I got sucked up for 10 minutes, no fun.
Yeah, although I was inside for about 2 minutes or less I agree it's a scary time! because there is no control and the uncertainty of how high you'll get out. Once I was out, even though I got flipped into a tumbling, I was glad that the cumuli had not turned into high overdevelopment and therefore I was out at a decent altitude. Cheers.
There are safer ways of dealing with clouds of that size. That's a fast glider. Fly with a turn and slip (or better). Keep the glider straight and level. Pull speed, but not too much, and you'll come out the side or bottom without the extreme danger from throwing your chute.
Why before writing don't you just read the story by scrolling the video's data-base❓❓ You'd realize why and when I pulled the chute, that being after my wing broke upon a tumbling❗ Besides that, the handling you're mentioning is basically impossible to do when your wing is being pulled up at over 15m/s or more inside of an active cell where it's all dark grey with no horizon‼️
Since I was there and you were not, I'm going to explain what it really went on.
My approach to that part of large clouds formation was wrong! and not sufficiently alert to start with, because at the time I had little experience in "reading the sky" so I couldn't react quickly by preventing being sucked into it. I did not panic! I just held a strong grip at the bar and rode it until I had gotten spit out from it into clear sky... then a rotor flipped my trailing edge forward into a tumbling. .
I basically wasn't able to "read" the sky as I can do now, over eight years after that mishap. .
Once the cloud's cell is very active and you're just in its ascending vortex by climbing over 15m/s is basically impossible to fly out of it because hang gliders are flown by weight's shift thus in such strong ascending air the wing is not manageable as you'd expect. Its nose wants to go just straight upward! For sure in a normal air condition a hang glider can reach an airspeed of 100Km/h or more (I usually do that and have fun with it) but once the nose is sky-rocketing upward due to a super strong updraft there's basically nothing you could do but just hold the grip and hope the climb will decrease to regain control.
On the other hand, the way you talk you seem to be flying planes and, for instance, a sailplane is flown by mechanical controls, yoke & rudder pedals, therefore in order to pitch the nose down while being strapped firmly in the seat makes a huge difference: push the stick forward (or do a side-slip) and get out of it by easily reaching 180Km/h or more❗Instead flying a hang glider means that your body is only attached by one point at the neutral wing's center free to move around in order to fly or, as in my situation, to be moved all over with no control as into a laundry machine by very strong turbolence.
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
Is it in France ?
No it's center of Italy, about 100Km North East of Rome. 🤙
That was an awful long time hanging under rescue, wondering how and where to land!
Yeah, it took about 10 minutes before I landed... but I was not too worried about it because the worst was over, I mean being inside the cloud with no control and without knowing what altitude I'd get out at. Quite an experience!!!
Glad you're OK.
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hmm... glad you are ok. Actually, compared to PG, I founf escaping cloudsuck is really easy - full VG and 110km/h to the edge of the glide.... I eascaped everything that wanted to "eat" me. But with paraglider, its much easier to fly once in the cloud.
What happened to you? Why coudlnt you escape???
Hi Petr, prior to this I thought I would too. I usually fly full VG and I do acro & looping as well so I consider myself quite prepared.
The problem was that until that time everything was just a standard flight and I was about 100/70mt below base, but all of a sudden I got from +2,5 to +10/13ms and it didn't stop until I was inside. Basically my glider was nose up vertical and pulling the speedbar was just opposing a bit but not so effective because you get a pull from beneath the glider!
In the past during several flights, I pushed my glider reaching up to 120Km/h of AIR-SPEED however that's easy when you start from a normal situation. But when you have such strong pull as +10ms and more with the glider's nose straight up you can pull as much as you can but you don't get a fast speed in order to run away. Trust me, I usually know how to fly fast... you can check my videos of acro here on my channel.
Then once I was inside the cloud I got massive G force in all directions with no control of the glider whatsoever!! The hole of the wing's crossbar got eaten by the squared-head bolt and became an oval of almost 3cm. even though inside the tube there's an aluminum tube as a reinforcement. Plus the rope and its sliding plastic-threaded of the Tenax4 pitch-change system sustained some melting for the forces applied!!!
In conclusion, if you see the increasing pull from the cumuli coming as it had happened to me in the past, you can take action and avoid it. But when the pull in a couple of seconds becomes a +10ms or more and you are kind of close to cloudbase you don't have much of a chance to speed up and fly away. Nature can be very forceful!!
If I were to be much more on the edge of such "cumuli road" maybe I would have had the chance of making a 90° towards clear sky and fly away... and maybe on the edge the pull would have been not so strong. You see, above 2000mt the wind was coming from N NE and that too allowed the cloud to ignite so forceful because of the strong thermal gradient.
Cheers :)
Youa re true... didnt actually knew you entered such a strong punchy thermal.... I met some 8+ with my paraglider. Everything I could do was to try to let the wing oppened. I went like 600-700m throught cloud and got spit from it from side. It was very lucky situacion while the cloud looked to continue about more 1000....
Nature is a wild beast!
Yeah Petr, I was spit out of the cumuli on its upper side, however the cloud wasn't so big or so tall, that's why I trusted the "road"... will not do that again ;) I've always thought of been able to fly fast and run away but it never occurred to me that when the cloud has a +10ms you actually have a wind not facing your wing's profile but instead you have it right from below the glider and therefore the wing, even though you are flying fast, becomes like a sail and climbs up no matter what you do.
After all it's been a "good teaching" experience... expensive anyways :(
By the way, I would like to congratulate with you & your team for your excellent performance in Brasilia! You guys have been rocking and putting a lot of pressure to my friends (Italians). I was following the race and you made it very uncertain until the last task: very GOOD job!!!
Cheers :)
素晴らしいですね。。。。の一言です。
In English language, please.
hola como has gravado el video se ve muy bien¡¡¡
Fly Candeleda parapentecandeleda If I understood correctly, you're asking me why the video was split in two.
I use a GoPro remote control clipped on my wrist and when I was sucked into the clouds, because of the very strong turbulence, I must have hit the remote to the structure of the hang glider and therefore got turned off. Then when I was coming down by emergency rescue chute I had seen the remote was off so I turned on again to film the rough landing I vould have had. (yo no comprende Español)
How and why did the GoPro get turned off?
When I fly I have a romote control strapped to my wrist, otherwise if I shoot continuously after 30 minutes of HD, GoPro's battery shuts down!
So what I think it happend was me hitting the remote onto the frame of the hang glider, while being sucked into the cloud, so going in stand-by. Then later, when I was coming down under the rescue emergency parachute, my eyes went to my arms and saw the remote had been on stan-by mode therefore I pressed it again to film my descent to the ground. Cheers 👋👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta Not sure you'll ever see this comment, but I purchased a large battery and then 3-D printed a case for it that snaps onto the sprog of my Sport-3. I then plug a GoPro into it and the camera thinks it's continuously being charged. You need to take the cover off the camera, or buy a cover than has an opening for the cable (easy to get). The battery can then be tucked into the wing with the sprog and the wing zipped shut. With a big 400 G chip you can then record for hours without the battery dying. The camera overheats if on the ground (tested it in my house and it never worked until I put a fan near it). In the air at 25 MPH the camera never overheats. Of course then you have to delete 99% of the all the footage!
@@GregHiller1 Thank you for your input ‼️👍
My friend, I think the problem I had at the time of this video was with GoPro Smart Remote that being on my wrist must have been hit on the speedbar or downtubes and therefore turned off.
Nowadays I use an additional slim power-bank attached to my GoPro Hero8 connected to the cam through a cover with an open slot to allow charging. So as far as power supply to the cam is concerned I must say is solved... however sometimes the remote control gives some trouble by disconnecting its WiFi from the 2 cams or at least one, and after few hours that too goes depleted... I'm pretty sure that without using the Smart Remote for long flight of 4/5 hours even such additional power supply will be depleted before landing due to continuous filming by Full HD. I just hope to have it flawless when best flights do happen 🌤️🤙
Cheers 👋 👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta FYI, I just had a 4 1/2+ hour flight. The GoPro with my battery captured the first 3 hours until the battery finally was depleted. Unfortunately, most of the video was pretty boring!!
மேகக் கூட்டங்கள் நடுவே பறந்து வந்த காட்சி மிகவும் பிரமாதமாக இருந்தது வாழ்த்துக்கள் வாழ்க வளமுடன் ஃ
English, please.
Quebrou conserta..a vida não dá pra consertar
👍 Sometimes incidents happen, so that's why we always have to be ready to use "plan B".
In flying activities parachutes saved many-many lives!
Cheers 👋 🤙
No attitude indicator available on those?
We do have a device that reads several info about the flight including altitude, glide ratio, variometer and compass, just to mention a few.
Cloud base was about 3200mt, then when I got out of it was about 3600/3700mt so I descended by the emergency chute from more or less 3500mt.
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@@MassimoPugiDelta
Those are ok.
I mean an attitude indicator. Like on an aircraft. I’m a pilot. So, I’d think that I’d like to have one of those, small one, even if just somewhat accurate.
@@cmdmd Sure we do!
The device we use on its display has both GPS and barometric altitude reading which reset automatically by the minute taking into consideration the constant barometric changes.
Furthermore airspeed and ground speed reading, compass and many other readings very useful for engineless flight.
In my case the device is attached on my control-bar left side.
Also such device is used during competitions in order to set the routes you are requested to fly. By loading the turn-points you need to virtually touch to complete the route out to the finish line... and of course it records every flight we do with valuable data.
Cheers 🤙
@@cmdmd Sorry, I quickly read "altitude" instead of "Attitude" as to be artificial horizon.
No, the device we use do not have it simply because we are NOT allowed to be flying by instrument: only VFR flying, same as sailplanes. For us it is basically impossible to keep a sound attitude while inside an active cumuli due to its strong turbolence and the lack of mechanical controls for us in order to fly steady. We fly by using our body weight movement and therefore there's a limit within a pilot is able to do it. We need to be very careful about weather conditions and in case is about to degenerate we'll have to land ASAP!
At the time of this flight in light of my little experience, I'd been approaching the cumuli the wrong way... now I know better!
Cheers 🤙 👋👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta
I agree. But it is a safety instrument. It’s not for you to go and fly through clouds.
Eh si sembra proprio che hai preso l'innesco del cumulo..il delta lascia meno spazio a inconvenienti come questo laddove il parapendio ti da un po più di margine di sicurezza..
Bravo comunque video istruttivo!
Sì. Il mio grande errore è stato quello di approcciare una larga zona di cumuli in aggregazione al centro invece che sul bordo in modo tale da poter virare via verso il pulito.
All'epoca dei fatti avevo poca esperienza nella lettura delle condizioni perciò l'errore è arrivato e all'uscita dal cumulo il tumbling è stata la conseguenza alla quale l'emergenza era l'unico modo per tornare a terra.
Sicuramente facendo le "orecchie" il parapendio dentro un cumulo è più stabile del delta perché la nostra ala non vola autonomamente a trim e in più siamo appesi in un unico punto cui è connesso al centro neutro della corda alare mentre voi a due spallacci e su tutta la superficie, partendo dalle estremità alari fino al centro. Il delta dentro un cumulo è praticamente impossibile da gestire.
Ciao 👋 👋 🤙
I had to mute the music ....
Sorry but it's impossible to please everybody. Moreover, most of the common fine tunes hold Copyright, it has already appended that RUclips denied my posting because of that. Cheers
Domanda banale ma.. a volare così alti non si ha problemi a scontrarsi con piccoli aereoveicoli?
Lokis Guarda non posso dire che sia impossibile, ma in generale non c'è traffico di aerei da turismo dove voliamo, cioè lungo le catene montuose dove si creano le correnti termiche ascensionali. Soprattutto le nostre quote sono un continuo sali-scendi in cerca di termiche quindi non rimanendo su una rotta/quota stabilizzata e continua è ancora più difficile collidere con aeromobili che volano mantenendo la stessa quota tenendosi lontani dalle montagne proprio per evitare ciò che invece ricerchiamo noi. Per loro è solo turbolenza fastidiosa. Infatti nelle storie che circolano nell'ambito del volo libero non ho mai sentito di casi simili. Ciao.
Inoltre, aggiungo ma non ne sono sicuro, credo che nelle mappe di volo che usano i piloti di aeromobili ci siano informazioni sui i siti dove c'è attività di volo in aliante che è la stessa di noi dealtaplanisti.
Grazie per la risposta Massimo! E complimenti per i video, ogni giorno ne guardo uno ;)
Lokis Grazie! Sicuramente proverò a farne altri ma il meteo quest'anno non ci lascia volare. Ciao!
Ciao Massimo sono un deltaplanista dal 1978 tessera FIVL 9o6,ora per varie ragioni ho smesso di volare. Ultimo mio delta è un Cobra della Mouette. Il delta ha la chiglia rotta vicino al bordo d'attacco non per una caduta in volo.un montante di riserva, un imbrago nuovo mai usato, un altimetro. Regalo tutto se ti può far comodo chiamami ciao e grazie. Io abito a Feltre
Grazie della offerta,! io al momento non ho spazio ma posso sicuramente sentire un amico a M. Cucco che ha tanto spazio se può essergli utile... in caso ti faccio sapere qui e in caso positivo poi ci scambiamo i numeri.
Grazie!
Roberto ho sentito il mio amico e dato che ha spazio ed è nel deltaplano da una vita, non come me, ha piacere a prendere le tue cose. Mi dice che deve andare al Nord nelle prime settimane di Ottobre.
Mandami una mail masspu64@virgilio.it così ci scambiamo i numeri di telefono.
Di nuovo molte grazie per avermi contattato 👋👋
I did this once in a glider. As I got close to the bottom of the cloud hail was hitting the bottom of the wing then I was in a washing machine of a cloud 🌧️ luckily the glider fell out in one piece and I regained control. Only once.
I agree with being into a washing machine! In my case when I got out on the top side of the cloud I got a big rotor that flipped me foward thus I fell into the wing by breaking it.
At the time I did not have the experience that I have nowadays, so I'd gotten fooled by the first two hours of flying which reaching base was hard and by light climbs. After this flight I knew better.
Cheers 👋 👋
By the way I love gliders ❗ I happen to share thermals with them. Here is one video about it
ruclips.net/video/w4QrrYxpKf0/видео.htmlsi=pXktedwDnuYHr6tm
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how to build is????
"how to build is???"
What do you mean❓ Sorry I couldn't understand. Do you mean the glider?
The broken parts had been replaced with new ones.
I would have thermaled that smoke cloud!
Being somebody who is trying to learn, that seems like a very bad idea. The tubulance caused by rapidly heated air is extreme and a video i seen of someone trying that showed him flipped past inverted in a matter of a second.
Шо это было? Петли решил покрутить? Переоблегчил аппарат?
The Bandikut Please in English. Thanks
Ciao Aquila 💋💋💋☁🌪🌬fortunatamente hai saputo districarti👍😙😙😙👋
Paoletta grazie!!1 Si è andato tutto bene considerando l'atterraggio in emergenza 👍
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Uff... Those kind of situations can be really dangerous.. u can be taken by the cloud with the emergency parachute deployed.. nice to see happy ending
Yeah, it turned out with only structural damage.
Too bad that the remote control got hit and turned off so it didn't show the flip that occurred when thrown out of the cloud and the emergency deployment, too. I made sure to launch the parachute only in clear sky and unable to control the broken hang glider.
A good lesson to learn is that even during a very standard day a cloud when ignites can be very mean to us. Cheers
You hang glider pilots that run into these so called bad clouds are tangling with cumulus clouds. And they are the basic tops of rising air columns that can be quite powerful. The problem for you hangers and parasail guys is just outside the rising air is sinking air that flows down at about half the speed of the lift. That is the reason why you feel an increase in speed before entering the thermal.
Also remember that on a dry day there can be strong lift with no clouds or markers of any kind. Comparing a sailplane to a hang glider, you have very little control over your roll axis and negotiating those transitions from sink to lift are inlightening at best! The design of the hang glider has come along way but it needs ailerons for roll authority and spoilers or lift dumps to keep from going into IFR. conditions. It would be a much safer setup. Start pressuring the manufacturers for these updates and it will make your soaring much more injoyable. And parasailing is just dangerous period!
I agree with you! and I appreciate your input.
However we call it bad clouds just as a way of saying, for joke. In actuality the clouds as well as turbulence are just doing their daily job ;)
I didn't mean to blame the cloud for its power as a matter of fact I suggested the opposite, to never trust a calm day in which for the prior two hours you never encounter neither strong updraft nor downdraft figures. When we fly we use only a very tiny force percentage of what the sky can deliver. I reckon what happened was that, after having flown beneath base for a while with very light activity, I happened to be just at the moment of cloud's ignition and with over +10ms I had no chance to escape, especially because I WRONGLY trusted the calm day and was not at the edge of such cumuli street.
For sure the control you have with sailplanes is not comparable to hang gliders. In fact you have mechnanical controls such as control stick and tail plane elevetors which help a great deal.
Regarding improving the design of hang gliders, there are two types of them: FLEX WING (the one I fly) and RIGID WING.
Rigid wing resambles a more a sailplane than the wing I fly, with very high aspect ratio and airlons to control rolling plus a tailspoiler (smaller than a tail plane with no elevetors) in order to stabilize the pitching attitude, but it is very heavy, takes longer to mount and very costly... more than the double of flex wings. Plus you don't really use your body wheight for piloting as we do by flex wings, therefore you don't really fly the way birds do... we're the closest to them!!! It's an incredible sensation :)
It's a matter of choice... and money too!!! Cheers!!
You confuse Parasailing with Paragliding 🤣#JustSaying
i am not understand why you open parashute, and not fly straiht back...and how mush V.G. you have in a clouds, befofe you open it ..
There is an English explanation about the flight if you scroll down the story, however I'll tell you what happened.
First of all I did NOT pull the parachute when inside the cloud but after I was thrown out of that cumuli I did a tumbling, so only after that with my keel broken I pulled the emergency chute.
Secondly, I was cruising from one cloud to the next at full VG, so I had a good speed!
Pilots wrongly think that with a hang glider as long as you pull the speed-bar you can get away but it's not in that way‼️ when you are quickly sucked into a cloud at 20m/s or more you actually have a very strong wind from below the wing instead of parallel to the wing so pulling the bar all the way will ONLY keep the nose down a little but NOT moving away from the cloud's strong pull. My mistake was being too deep inside the cumuli-street instead of being very near the edge where the pull is usually less strong therefore it would be easier to try to turn away. Hope I was clear enough. Cheers 👋 👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta i mean .. if your V.G. was completle of, not at all V.G. and less spead ......will be much beter for you..thanks.
@@nikosmoraitis6145 Personally I don't think so, when a cloud start sucking fast and very strong, we're talking anywhere fron 15 to 20m/s there is nothing we can do about... just keep the line of flight more on the edge of the cumuli-street could help, and this is what I am doing ever since 😉. Cheers 👋 👋
Does this make you a skydiver now too?
Actually I had previously been a skydiver for over 10 years , but this was my firs time on a round reserve chute!
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Cheers! 👋👋
Massimo Pugi - You had big balls long before hang gliding! When I flew in the mid 70s, we had no chutes! Scary to think of that now!
@@tkeforever4809 Wow! yep many years ago safety in general was not an issue.
I wouldn't call it "big balls" ... just a lot of passion and desire to be free in the air. But now is a time to care about safety on the ground and with basically no freedom, only the one we have in our homes... hopefully soon it'll go back as before the Covid19 🤞
Cheers my friend 👋👋
Massimo Pugi - I so agree with you! When we were young, we thought we would live forever. I thought that as well until a few of my friends died flying! Stay safe as well my friend! this too shall pass and you will be back in the air where you belong!
@@tkeforever4809 thx 👋👋
I’ll stick to powered flight
Mike CorLeoné The main thing is flying... then one will choose to use the "shoe" he likes the most. Cheers!
Flying gliders can be an immensely educational experience for powered pilots. airfactsjournal.com/2016/09/all-pilots-learn-glider-flying/ . Considering that most private pilot fatalities are VFR into IMC the increased knowledge and respect for conditions that glider pilots will inevitably learn is invaluable. Did you know that IMC conditions can propagate upwind, or even catch up to you as you are flying away from them? Additionally becoming comfortable landing out, knowing what to look for in fields, what to watch out for. In a little single engine airplane we cannot just assume the engine will always be there. Loosing an engine to many powered pilots can be cause for immediate panic.For a glider pilot this becomes deeply ingrained in you, you weren't flying over unlandable terrain, and you probably already had your landing field picked out before the engine stopped.
Non si entra imc senza addestramento ...e non a vela..ci si fa male!
Certo, in verità per noi non è consentito
Infatti la mia intenzione non era quella di entrare dentro il cumulo ma tenermi sotto la "strada" dato che fino a quel momento i valori di salita erano molto bassi.
Il mio grande errore è stato quello di andare troppo verso il centro della "strada di cumuli" invece di tenermi solo sul bordo delle nubi, così ho preso un innesco di salita molto veloce e repentino e quindi sono stato aspirato dentro...poi una volta dentro non hai più il controllo e quando finalmente sono stato "sputato" fuori, il rotore della parte superiore del cumulo mi ha mandato in tumbling: lezione impatata‼️😬
Da questa esperienza in poi ho cambiato totalmente la lettura del cielo acquisendo sempre più esperienza e conoscenza.
Cheers 👋 👋
more true .. (only) : On Bad Pants ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
e fanno i fighi, gli ammereggani.. Uahahagaga che gente
@@gajiraanorimaki Mi sfugge il significato dei tuoi commenti. Potresti articolare meglio? Grazie.
@@MassimoPugiDelta prova con Google Traduttore 😆 per quanto scritto male in inglese ti assicuro che anche gli anglosassoni capiscono, sempre se uno non è un ipocrita codardone che finge di non capire, ovv. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
.. e si mette la risposta in evidenza da solo.. 😂😂😂😂😂 ripeto ..
@@gajiraanorimaki Certamente non metto in evidenza un commento come il tuo che solo i tuoi 2 neuroni deficitari possono esprimere.
Se vuoi avere informazioni sul video sono a disposizione, altrimenti te saluto 🤙
The music makes this unwatchable. Yet I watched it.
Ah... Ah... ... nobody made you either watch or listen to it 😜
i loved the music
I liked the music. It added the dramatics to it.
There are much worse examples of bad music on youtube vids. This one is great!
I like this song, but it was extended very badly.
Bán dù bay đó ko anh
In English please. 👋👋
VFR only. No instruments. No power. Shouldn’t be flying in dense cloud. This isn’t new. Glad you had extra safety gear. Lesson to others.
Very true!
I never meant to be flying into it but at the time I hadn't recognized the trouble ahead... now I'm more up to it❗
Cheers 🤙 👋 👋
It seems like a lie, because it showed no rotation.
Rotation of what❓ The remote control of my GoPro must have been pressed on the speedbar and went on pause. Then once I was descending under the rescue parachute I had tried to press the remote again and then resume recording, however the cam upon the tumbling or the chute's opening jerk moved its angle of view
Don't you think if I had the whole deal I would have put it on video⁉️ It would be the video of the century. If you check my vids out, you will see that I put every action: the goods and the less ones. Cheers 👋👋
GoPro smart remote is strapped on my wrist, by the way. At that time I had been flying for about 2 hours and thirty minutes so without remote control by continuous recording the battery would had been dead already by long. 👋👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta Did you have only one camera?
@@nimint3400 No, I usually place 2, one on each wing. The older one had the battery out so only one could film the whole flight. Also when it's possible to climb high altitude the temperature goes near freezing even during Summer time, as it was in this particular flight, so the battery with cold temperature lasts less than usual. Usually between some filming and WiFi remote standby shooting HD quality at 50fps after 2 hours and 30 minutes goes dead. Cheers 👋 👋
@@MassimoPugiDelta Well I understood the situation and I apologize. It is a pity that it was not possible to capture this unusual phenomenon of torsion in the cloud.
Bad music and speed readers
vhollund It's very hard to please everybody's taste as well as picking music that is not protected by copyright.
over reaction to the elements when you could have gone up out through the top or spiraled down why reck a good flight by ego maianc reactions
chris skeates You are totally off, because you did NOT understand what happened. I suggest you read the story text (Italian & English) of videos before attacking people's flight... otherwise you'll make fool of yourself!
Here's what happened: I was flying beneath a "cumuli street" at about 100/80mt from base with standard figures of +1,5 / +2,5. All of a sudden it became +8 / +10 and increasing therefore very swiftly I had gotten sucked into the cloud for about 2 minute. Then I got spit out of it very vertical at about 700mt higher then when I had entered. So when I was resuming flight my wing got flipped over by a rotor into a tumbling through its trailing edge. I fell into the glider which broke therefore I pull the rescue emergency parachute.
Don't you think you could run away by pulling the bar because when you get 40 or 50Km/h wind speed from beneath your wing there is nothing you could do about.
Dumb ass. He fell into the glider and broke it. Fucking read before you make a ass out of yourself.
Awful music. Sound down
John Gibbs You see, it's very hard to please everybody's taste. Also if you use a very popular song it may as well be forbidden by Copyright! It already happened to me a few times. Plus the song's title is "Foreign Air" which it really suites what occurred to me. Cheers!
The music is horrible and the shot of the parachute is non existant. Weak
I'm pretty sure you didn't have to pay to watch and listen to the video so, first of all you could simply turn the volume down 😂😂
Secondly how can you see the emergency parachute if the GoPro is fixed on the bottom skin of the wing whereas the parachute is right above it⁉️
... just tell me how you'd do it so next time I'll make sure to please you, not for free, though❗ 😂😂😂🤙
Music sucks
Tom H Some likes it some doesn't... can't please all. Plus many songs are blocked off by Copyright.
I didn't see any deployment????
The reason why is not recorded is clearly written on it❗
I use a remote control on my wrist and I must have hitten or pressed it on the bar and thus it turned off... unfortunately.‼️
After the big cloud washing-machine played out I had flipped into a tumbling so I had to deploy the chute and a little time after deployment my eye cough the remote wasn't flashing so I then turned it on again.
Col delta hai buone velocità per uscire dalla nube (lateralmente)
"Faccio un altro 360 poi esco....."
E via in condensa.... e col delta non capisci bene se stai virando, metti il naso fuori in discendenza e zac
Grazie per l'input, ma in questo particolare volo non era proprio possibile uscire lateralmente perché il mio errore è stato quello di essere troppo al centro e troppo vicino alla base della larga massa nuvolosa che si era aggregata, quindi una volta dentro ero in un grigio scuro senza il bagliore dove potermi dirigere per uscire, oltretutto in piena ascendenza con valori extra forti impossibili da contrastare... te lo dice uno che ha fatto abbastanza looping e viti piatte per sapere quanto veloce vola un delta. Puoi vedere tali acrobazie tra i miei video antecedenti questo..
Ad ogni modo, per tua conoscenza quando sali a +10 o +15m/s NON riesci a scendere compiendo virate di 360° perchè l'ala diventa una vela cui prende aria in forte salita direttamente da sotto e non parallelamente al bordo d'attacco, pertanto continui a salire anche virando con l’ala a 90° proprio perché stai virando in una termica troppo forte da poterci uscire e contestualmente, essendo in nube, hai perso l’orizzonte su cui il sistema di equilibrio delle orecchie si basa per funzionare.
Detto ciò, in realtà all'epoca dei fatti avevo poca esperienza e perciò fui colto impreparato su come poter sfruttare in sicurezza una larga linea di cumuli. Negli anni, anche grazie a questo volo, ho sviluppato l'esperienza necessaria per prevenire tale situazione, da non ripetere MAI, mantenendomi SEMPRE sul bordo con almeno una via d'uscita disponibile a pochi metri. Oppure, se approcciando a base una larga sezione di cumuli ossia “La Strada di Cumuli” sono troppo al centro e sento i valori lentamente aumentare, viro immediatamente di 180° per tornare da dove venivo, sezione di cielo in cui l’ascendenza non era presente, per dirigermi verso il bordo, se possibile sopravento e continuare in sicurezza. Già fatto più volte sia in questa stagione che nelle passate.
A mio parere non è consigliabile farsi aspirare dentro da una “Strada di Cumuli” pensando che si possa uscirne indenni compiendo spirali… totalmente meglio evitare di essere aspirati in nube mantenendosi sul bordo. Mentre altra cosa è salire in termica anche oltre base rigorosamente mantenendosi sul bordo del corpo nuvoloso limitandosi ad entrarvi per poche decine di metri mentre si gira in cerchio.
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@@MassimoPugiDelta per info, a quanto si scende col delta in spirale?
Con un para intermedio, bocche a terra più o meno -20m/s.....per il resto rispetti al delta è una lumaca.
Ci sono passato anche io, con un cumulo mediocris non tanto sviluppato, però il para sta sempre sopra. Non avevo nessuno in zona , però dopo un poco mi sono inquietato.
Qualche Wing over, niente.
Spirale non spinta, niente.
Alla fine ho messo le bocche a terra.
Il para oltretutto ha una virata molto più stretta e molte volte centri meglio il core e sali ancora di più.
Negli hanno con sovrasviluppi, ero sovente mantenermi ai bordi e uscire bene di lato per controllare quanto la bestia era alta.
P.s. una volta un mio compagno di volo si è trovato tutto, con tutte le bretelle ed i cordoni, ghiacciato.
Grazie per la risposta ed il video
@@cicciobaliccio Sembra un paradosso ma non è cosi: il parapendio (se non subisce una chiusura) soprattutto facendo "le orecchie" è molto più stabile di un delta cui non ha un "trim" di default ma va sempre mantenuto costantemente oltre la velocità minima e non vola mai livellato ma tende sempre a cadere e/o piegarsi da un lato, pertanto solo con il continuo spostamento del proprio corpo si riesce a mantenerlo in volo. Al parapendio se lasci i comandi vola comunque diritto in "trim" Ho praticato paracadutismo sportivo per oltre 10 anni, quindi conosco come vola una vela.
Detto ciò, con il delta dovendo usare il proprio corpo e pressoché impossibile tirarsi via da una forte e larga ascendenza +10 e oltre perché non si ha la forza necessaria per contrastare un'ala così rigida cui è costruita per salire. Inoltre posso assicurarti che un delta può virare più stretto di un para perché ha una metratura molto più piccola a parità di peso e in proporzione meno allungamento.
Certamente possiamo volare con molto più vento rispetto al parapendio ma solo se il vento è parallelo, mentre quando si è nel cilindro di una forte ascendenza il vento apparente colpisce l'unfradosso facendola diventare una vela in balia delle forze.
Quando si approccia una strada di cumuli o un grande cumulo in evoluzione, sempre meglio tenersi sul bordo e mai entravi dentro... anche con un parapendio con "le orecchie" MAI sfidare le forze della natura!
Ciao 👋 👋
p. s. In linea generale, mi sento di dire che è meglio non sfidare le forze della natura