WHY I got the Nikon Z8 BUT I’M KEEPING my Z7
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- There's a lot to love about the Nikon Z8, but is it enough for me (or you) to move away from the Z7II?
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As always, very helpful comments! As a retired person and a photography hobbyist, it’s difficult to justify the expense. On the other hand, as a life-long Nikon fan, it’s hard to not own this camera we’ve been waiting for from Nikon! Thanks for taking me along!
Thanks Nigel, great comparison video. I had the Z8 for a few days and returned and keeping my Z7ii. While I loved the flexible screen, sensor shield, and the few AF shots I tried that were very nice, the extra weight and size given I mostly hand hold shots, higher cost to swap, and frankly, the Z8/Z9 seems more suited to professionals with banks, video features, and such that I wouldn't really use. I have gotten so used to my 7 with User settings and simpler menus so an easy decision. If they release a 7iii in 2024 with more MP's and some of the better features of the Z8 and lighter weight....I'm on it!
Well done Nigel. A well considered video to balance the marketing hype. I’m pleased you don’t over-do the influence you must have on you as a Nikon ambassador especially when you said these things matter for any camera choice. I also don’t appreciate heavy camera gear and one of the reasons I moved from Fuji was the light weight of the Z7 relative to DSLRs. I miss the vertical floppy screen of my Fuji and I wish the Z7 had fast autofocus for birds and planes in flight but the £4,000 cost of a Z8 is too expensive. For all other purposes I’m very happy with the old Z7. I hope others will continue to flock for the Z8 and Z9 to financially support Nikon. Keep up the good work Nigel.
As someone who uses a 24 ish mp canon D80 and is happy enough to print and frame my images, the best thing about new high spec cameras appearing is that it will bring down the price of a used predecessor. So if and when I decide to trade in my d80, i can get a bargain d90 or z7 or a7 111.
I enjoy these videos but as an amateur hobbyist, dont feel left behind because im still taking images that im proud of.
I picked up a refurbished Z7 last year directly from Nikon for $1300. It is still a great landscape camera, and it gave new life to many of my f mount lenses. I don't need all of the af tracking features of the newer cameras, so i will stay put for a few more generations.
That’s such an important message Nigel. The main reason I upgraded from a Sony A7R4 to an A7R5 was all of the many small improvements. Like yourself I have a medical condition which means weight can be very important to me. Where the megapixels help for me is being able to use lighter APSC telephoto lenses on longer trips and still get a lot of resolution.
I'm a Fuji shooter, so I have little interest in Nikon Z8s or Z7s, but I did really appreciate how you "worked the scene" in this video. Lots of good photos to be had with this tree and the surrounding rocks! A good reminder that we should not settle for one shot in a scene, but should instead consider and look for other compositions.
Instead of upgrading to the Sony 7 IV, I’ll switch back to the Nikon Z7II. Its reassuring to learn that there is not that significant difference between the Z7II & Z 8. Stellar work ND!
One of the most down-to-earth, most balanced, most insightful, most mature, most lucid, and most truthful camera reviews. And I have listened to hundreds. The focus is just right. You place the emphasis on the right points, and that's a big problem in a lot of other reviews.
I got my Z8 one week ago and as a landscape and wildlife shooter its the perfect tool.
The autofocus is soooo much better and my good old Z7 is now the backup body.
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I really, really enjoyed watching you experiment with different ways to capture the rocks and trees and use the sun as it changed. I hope you can do more about how you like to use focus stacking. I also liked the way you talked about the dynamic range between the Z7ii and Z8 being a distinction without a difference. As an amateur who got a Z9 about a year ago, but hasn't really mastered it yet, I'm enjoying working on getting the most out of my four year old Z7. I'll stick with these two bodies for quite a while, as it is NOT my business, but it is my passion. I watch every video you put out and I always learn from you.
We have a limited amount of funds so we choose whether paying over £4000 is worth the small improvements over our current cameras. It is a no brainier that we would spend the money on a photography trip - we spent two weeks touring the south and west coast of Iceland. A photography trip will certainly improve my photography more, and pleasure in life, than buying new gear.
Hi Nigel, I can see the quality Nikon is putting into their cameras and I know from shooting in the past with their lenses they are equally high quality. My problem comes down to price. $4,000 USD is hefty when you start adding up just three zoom lenses and a couple primes. I realize you can build a lens collection over time but it's a lot of money for someone who shoots mainly on weekends. Anyway, thank you for your honest review!
Great video Nigel, looking at the practical use (or hands on) comparison between both models rather than focussing on the specs. Well done
Great video, Nigel. As a current Z7ii owner, I was considering adding a Z8 but couldn’t really justify it. You have convinced me to stick with my Z7ii, a great camera. Thanks!
Z7II is still excellent. Z8 is only worth it if you need the highly improved autofocus and/or the video features. For landscape I'd stick with the Z7II for the lighter weight.
Great video thanks. I'm toying with upgrading from Z6 (first model), and you've given me plenty to think about. I think the improvements in autofocus are probably enough to make the move.... And I love that you wove the way you made the decision into an interesting day's photo shoot rather than straight to camera or in the studio.
Hi Nigel, I always appreciate your reviews. I am a retired hobby photographer , own z6ii for wildlife and z7ii for landscape. I was looking at z8 my main reason was for the close sensor when change lens. I am in Canada and shoot in every weather 😊. One thing I didn't think about is weight.. I am at my max weight capacity to carry so I think my decision is made ..I will skip for this round
Thanks again for your review you helped me make my decision
Very relatable, that many small improvements together make a very compelling upgrade!
As a Fuji shooter, I feel the very same about my X-H2s.
I bought it as a better camera for photographing birds, but it just has so many overal ergonomic improvements in operation, and it has a great EVF, that it is my favourite camera by far and I'm even considering upgrading my 2nd body to either an X-T5 or X-H2, not for the megapixels or that extra 1/3 of a stop of DR, but for getting same overal improvements in my 2nd body too.
The improved AF even helps with macro photography.
There is no shadow of doubt that this is an outstanding camera Nigel, but unless people require fantastic AF or enhanced video capabilities, it is really hard to justify £4k. I have started practicing more and more on wildlife photography, just as you mentioned, and this is where it would really shine. I do struggle with the first version of Z6/7 on low light. Maybe in the future, or I could reconcile with an APS-C Z camera with AF just like the D500 or better. Who knows? Maybe Nikon will give us one. Thanks for sharing your views.
It's gonna be under 3K in no time though and further. As you mention, that I spoke about in my list above, low light is a pain in the ass with the Z7.
Great photography on location video combined with gear tips. Even though I am not a Nikon shooter myself, the tips to look for in a (new) camera can be taken across different brands and Nigel you always succeed in adding extra real landscape photography tips in your videos! Thank you!!
I totally agree with your points about ergonomics. When button placement doesn't work for your hand size, it can result in missed or rubbish shots. I've actually turned a couple of buttons on my camera into no-ops for that reason.
You are correct about all the litte things Nigel.
Reasons I never bought the Z7 (assume that was a typo but most of this still applies to the Z7ii) and didn't ever buy one (only used a borrowed mates one for a few weeks as I was so sceptical about it) -
1. It's liveview in any low light is a mess of electronic noise, it looks like an old DSLR from 2008. It's an absolute no for astro and trying to focus is not fun at all. You can barely see any stars on it. It is missing starlight view at the time and still is (sony's bright monitoring), so your back to the old DSLR way, taking test shot after test shot freezing your butt off in sub zero temps to see your composition. The Z 8 kills this!
2. This is a biggie for me - I do LE photography all day. The Z8 is amazing and can focus through 16 stops of filteration and I can press starlight view to still see my comp. I don't need to remove the filters to recompose or when moving to a different location. Believe me, the Z7 cannot do that.
3. For deep sky astro where I am on a target for hours and stack those hours of data together, processing the files causes banding (this albeit is a specialist use case that will not affect most).
4. The Z7 doesn't allow extended shutter speeds (appreciate the Z7ii did get this function), meaning I need to take a cable every time I want to do more than 30 seconds. Pure laziness on Nikon's part
5. It's monitor only tilts one way - this is crap for a landscape guy who loves vertical 4:5 format. I know you said this one thing wouldn't make me switch or not consider a camera; but for me it would. I spend a huge amount of time in vertical format. Once you've used camera's that offer a flip screen you don't go back to one way tilt screens like the Z7/Z7ii easily.
6. The AF is bad for anything that moves - and I shoot more than just landscapes. The EVF does 60 Hz only and lags like a windows 4.1 slideshow when taking a burst making things difficult.
7. The ergos are a step backwards from my 850. It needs more menu diving as there are less buttons. No AF mode button,
8. As a landscaper, I want to be able to see the screen without all the info menu clutter. I also want the info to flip in vertical format and be really customisable.
9. As a landscaper, I want to have the option of remotes via the ten pin socket, missing on the Z7, which don't interfere as much with L bracket use.
10. It has no sensor shield / the electronic level in the Z7 is that awful cluttered one in the DSLR gen with the big circle that fills the screen and blocks your view. It has that weird metal dial top right to change shutter speed, it's much nicer going back to the D850 still built in tacktile wheel.
There are so many ways in which the Z 8 is a better camera over the Z7 i and ii I couldn't use them anymore.
The Z7 was a clearly rushed "when need to get something out in ML" product from Nikon. In the first few weeks it was a total beta release, it was laughable how bad it's AF was then etc on that first firmware. It's plain to see. But it's IQ, save for deep sky astro, is admittedly as good as the D850 minus the banding if you push files for specialist subjects it's not the best, as mentioned - so it you can live with all this stuff and just want good pictures - of course it will work. But user experience is a big thing for me and now, in 2023 it matters. The Z8 is a much more refined product where Nikon really for the most part, nailed everything. Yes it is a bit heavier - but let's remind ourself why. It is now a ML D850. That extra size and weight is the better ergos, the more buttons, the more bells and whistles. They could have made it lighter but then my pinkie finger would be hanging off the grip and it'd be missing the buttons I like to have. I know what I prefer, and I hike with my gear.
NB - Nigel you should do a tripod video. Is that a benro? Do you have anything like a gitzo or that level or do you find you don't need it? I'm currently on the lookout and would appreciate it. I picked up the smallrig L bracket but will be watching what RRS do and Kirk (who already have a prototype on their website). The smallrig one needs extended to use the 10 pin socket, which makes it slightly unstable (try it).
That seems to be a very popular tree. There is an image of it, very similar to the third one you showed in the screen saver of my fireTV. And I believe Tom Heaton went there just a couple of weeks ago, too.
Yeah Tom Heaton was.
Thanks for your point of view and sharing your experience and wissdom. I'm selling my Z7ii and got my Z8 last week. Still gettin use to all the extra settings. Will use it for my work and my Zf for my personal shotting. Nikonist for the last 35 years! Greetings from México!
I will be ordering a Z8 in a month or so, to partner my Z6. For landscape work the sensor shield is a really important feature. With the exposed sensor of the Z6/7 lens changing in the field is a bit of a gamble, (though after almost 3yrs and countless lens changes my Z6 sensor is still very clean). While you still shouldn't take any chances and rely on it, the sensor will shield provides a good line of defence. I would never previously have thought 1/8000 sec on my Z6 would not be 'fast' enough but I've found myself unable to shoot wide open with my fast primes because I needed a faster shutter speed, so 1/32,000 sec 'shutter' speed on the Z8 is another feature I'm keen to have.
The difference in size & weight between the Z50 and the Z7 is roughly the same % increase as between the Z7 and Z8, and it's one of the heaftier items in my list of "why not to upgrade". Every time i've thought about it the list of "why to upgrade" is never large enough. Though, if I were a pro instead of a dude who hikes and takes photos I would just bite the bullet and get a Z6/Z8 combo.
A while back you did a video with the Z5 in comparison to the Z7, now that there is a ultrawide zoom for the Z50 it might be cool to see a similar video looking at the difference between the bottom of the range (z50+12-28mm) to one of the bigger cameras with the 14-30mm f/4 or 17-28mm f/2.8.
Looks like the perfect camera in many ways.
As a non Nikon shooter, is there a way to clear the screen from all the icons? To me the screen looks very cluttered!
Yep - you can have nothing on it
Was in the fence for a Z8 but i only shoot static objects, portraits, street photography, event parties, i went ahead and got a Plena 135 and 50 1.2s..never been happier with my decision👍 had the 85 1.2 last year and it was a stellar lens
Hi Nigel, speaking as a Sony (A7riv) shooter it’s good to see Nikon producing such good cameras again. I was a Minolta user many years ago and so the move to Sony was made for practical reasons to allow me the use of my Minolta AF lenses. There’s very little difference between the top marques these days so it comes down really to what suits you. I’m very happy with my current camera and now I’m looking to buy better glass (don’t tell the wife)😅. Great video as usual Nigel and on a different note I can’t wait to get my Spirit of Luskentyre photo book.
Jim Black 👍👍👍🏴 16:08
It's still so bizarre seeing people that think Nikon cameras were 'bad' because they were slow to move to mirrorless. The mirrorless shift has been fuelled by Sony's marketing dept and youtuber gearheads, has nothing to do with IQ.
@@kichaa13 where did I say Nikon cameras were bad. Nikon is producing good mirrorless cameras now that compete well with the others but they along with Canon were behind the curve for a long time. I gave the reason why I chose Sony when I started using digital SLRs. Maybe you should read that again. Whatever your gripe with Sony they had the foresight to see the benefits of mirrorless over traditional SLRs and we are all benefitting from that “leap of faith “now that the big two have caught up to a greater extent. Competition between companies can only be good for us as consumers as it fuels research and development but as I said previously, I’ve got the camera I want, now for better quality glass. Jim Black 👍👍👍
I think you picked up on just about all the reasons I went for the Z8, I also am keeping my Z7II for the same reasons longer hikes with more gear.
One of the important things for me is the ergonomics, definitely hearkening back to my D810 and D850, not having to dive into the menu as much and being able to use the 10-pin socket
again for the wireless remote.
I see you managed to get a hold of the Smallrig L bracket, I have been waiting over 3 weeks and been told it will be next month for new stock
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@@stevenrobinsonpictures Cheers, Steven, just ordered, they didn't have it a few weeks ago🙏
@@douglasritchie2836 I noticed too it was only coming up in a search when you typed smallrig nikon z8 l bracket also.
Just an amazing review and really good points for people to ponder over. And also not only your video content, but I always love your pictures as well...
I'm so glad I'm a Nikon user in no small part because your reviews of new Nikon gear are just what Nikon users need to see and hear. Lab tests and pixel peeping are no match for your practical evaluations Nigel. Videos like this are much appreciated! One nice thing about new camera introductions by the manufacturers is that often times, the camera models they are meant to "replace" often go on sale at significant price reductions, making it a great time to buy a new camera that is only one step behind the latest model.
The Z8 is not a Z7ii successor, it's a D850 successor. Different target audience. That's why landscape photographers, who are concerned about it's excess size and weight, will feel ambivalent about the Z8. If you ask an event (wedding, sport) photographer, the reception will be overwhelmingly positive.
I was actually tempted to pick up a used D850 the other day. For such an 'old' camera, it is still better than a lot of recent offerings.
Unless you've got excess cash to warrant it then there is no reason to upgrade from the 7 or 7ii. The improvements don't really matter that much. If a photographer takes great images already then what's the point?
@@nigelbramley4188 I'm sticking to my pair of Z7s. One for visible, one for infrared landscapes. An SD card slot and a 900 sec diallable shutter limit did not warrant a Z7ii upgrade either. If Nikon releases the Z7iii in the same form factor with Z9/8 style screen, then I'd be tempted. But probably not at release price. So no camera upgrade for me in the next 2 years.
I’ll just leave it to the pro’s to worry about, thanks for sharing Nigel
My take is different. To me, the Z8 gives landscape photographers the features of the Z9 at a smaller size. The Z9 still seems better for event and action folk.
First off, it seems that is one very popular tree. I really enjoyed seeing your photos of it and talking through what you were thinking. I have a Z6 and Z6II and splurged for the Z8 on opening day. It is a stretch $$$ for a retired hobbiest but it has features such as the airplane subject detection that I will use a lot. Better sensor has already made me happy. More and better programmable buttons has helped too. The biggest downside for me is the size. I’m still getting used to it. But what a nice feel. I think when we travel by plane anywhere for a travel vacation I would bring the Z6II for the lower weight and smaller size. Thanks much Nigel
The tree isn't far from where Nigel parked, along with many other trees. Don't know if you're UK bases, but should you're ever in Yorkshire, these are the co-ordinates for the area: 54°10'32.2"N 2°27'16.2"W.
Nigel parked on Thornton Lane a short distance to the West.
@@Peter_Reed_Photography I’m in the western US. So will have to do a bit of planning. Actually i hope we can do a big trip around the UK either next year or the year after. And hope we can take the time to wander the area Nigel and Thomas Heaton film. looks so nice there. Thanks.
@@tdalton854 Glad to help. Yorkshire is a hidden gem for photographers.
an underrated feature is the possibility to illuminate the rear buttons of the F8 in dark nights. This is so helpful!
That's one of the reasons my D850 isn't going anywhere.
I'm doing the same thing... got the Z8 for "everything else" and the Z7 will remain my landscape camera (image quality at least on paper seems to be slightly better than the Z8/Z9 but more than that it's smaller and lighter so easier to hike which were bit points for me keeping the Z7 II. But at least with the two bodies, I can safely say now that I really don't need to buy any more cameras, even if a Z7 III, Z6 III or Z8 II comes out in two years. All I really wanted was a D850 equivalent in ML form and I think that's really what Nikon delivered in the Z8, and then some. NOw, if they would only release EDM (exposure delay mode) for the Z8 then I think the camera would be darn near perfect (that and perhaps the option for HE RAW for prerelease stills capture versus just JPEG as it is now). I would even go as far to say that keeping the Z7 II and Z8, but the Z8 will be the backup camera for landscape and travel (due to its size and the better IQ of the Z7), and the primary camera (with the Z7 then as a backup) for everything else such as portraiture, sports/wildlife, etc. I think the two more compliment eachother in a kit, than compete, as I know many people are selling their Z7's for a Z8 because they feel that it replaces them -- I don't quite feel the same way, I think the Z7 is a great camera for when you don't want or need the extra bulk of the Z8 -- such as with landscape, as the biggest advantages to the Z8 are video and faster AF, but everything else is about the same when compared between the Z8 and a Z7...
I'm a Canon shooter. The thought process you laid out applies to all cameras because people pay too much attention to sites screaming about megapixels, dynamic range, slow speed capturing video, etc. I own two R5's. I don't shoot video or no birds, etc. The camera performs well for me. Do I plan on upgrading of another equivalent Canon body's released? Depends upon how the model fits me, etc. Good to see Nikon releasing new cameras because the industry definitely needs the competition so they improve features and equipment.
As I just photograph (I really don't video) I'd stick to my Z7 and Mavic pro 2, accepting that the Z8 and Mavic Pro 3 are more superior. The main thing is the quality of the image, which I don't think the upgrades increase significantly enough to justify an upgrade for me. I fully agree upgrades for me would be about the usability. I think the "flippy screen" is a great change and the "censor shield" is a nice to have but apart from a few other minor changes with speed etc not much that would impact me enough. Thank you for the informative review.
There are two things that I wish Nikon does standard on all the high resolution cameras, The back LCD that can open vertically and the option when changing lenses the sensor is protected by curtain closure. Oh, and buffer is something that would definitely help with a battery that lasts longer than just few hundred shots.
Another excellent video Nigel! Im contemplating the Z8, so I appreciate your pros and cons. I have a Z7ii, which i love. I am primarily a landscape photographer, with Wildlife too. So, i have a D500 which is old and trusty but with the 200-500mm, it is still my go to wildlife camera. The Z8 could be my combo camera. I would hate to put the D500 on the shelf, but having 1 camera to do both and both very well is a tempting offer. The one big thing though is weight. Z7ii is such a powerhouse and really portable for a hike or handholding. I sold my D850 for it, and dont regret it. Thanks again for all your points. Definitely gives me things to ponder
Thanks Nigel, what I think is this: it’s not what you’ve got, it’s how you use what you’ve got.
Great comments. Since I don’t have the z7 (I do have the z6ii), my choice would be the z8.
Great review. As someone who does a lot of long-distance hiking and backpacking, I end up taking the tiny Z50 with both kit lenses so often over my Z6 with the 24-120 because the weight difference is significant, especially when it's mounted on the peak design clip to a backpack. As much as I like this camera, the idea of a significantly heavier setup gives me pause.
Great informative video, lovely images.
Thanks for the link for your son’s online shop, re sensor cleaning kit. Very timely! I’ve just taken around 300 shots (using three different lenses) of a regatta and they all have a ‘blot on the landscape, showing up in the clear blue sky, the spec, in the exact same place.
Hope the sensor cleaning kit will work.
Good luck with your new camera! Fantastic images, so far!
Great comparison. I bought Z7 II in December, when I moved from D750, and I love it. Z8 is the additional weight, as you mentioned, which is extremely important factor for me. The tilted screen and the sensor shield - yes! But why these features are not in z7II already?!
Anyway, great pictures ❤ I’m proud of my self, as since you started talking about the tree I was wondering if you take the photo with sun going through the branches 😊 and voilà! There is was 😊
Thanks for posting this video ---- enjoyed it very much and agreed with 95% of what you said. I got my Nikon Z8 about two weeks ago and I also own a Nikon Z7 II and Nikon D850. Like you I am keeping the Z7 II for when I want to travel as light as possible. However, the Z8 has already become my main camera. I'm a rather tall person and my hands are probably larger than average, so I really like the slightly larger size of the Z8. I love my Z7 II, but always found it just a bit on the small side. I have no issue at all with the slight increase in the weight of the Z8, but as I mentioned, if I want to travel as light as possible I'll use the Z7 II. For "Z" lenses I'm using the 14-30mm f/4, the 24-120mm f/4, the 100-400mm, and 85mm f/1.8 ----- the first two are my main landscape lenses. I think the Z8 is a great camera and will make a good companion to the Z7 II. I also still love my D850, but use it far less than my "Z" cameras.
Simply a more practical option for those who need the features of a Z9 Carry on. 👍🥂
Another great video for two different reasons, firstly the photography but also because you are in the area my parents were from, Ingleton in the shadow of Ingleborough. Additionally I am mulling over changing my D3x for the Z8, big leap into mirrorless 😊.
All the best Nigel, watch your back on that limestone pavement, it can be tricky at the best of times!
For landscape photography the Z8 is overkill. The 72ii if you need the megapixels or the Z6ii if you don't is perfect. I'm not sure who the Z8 is targeted at but I suspect it's just bridging the gap between pro-consumer and Pro level cameras. I just personally don't see why you would upgrade to it from at 7ii as landscape photographer. Also a side point. The Auto Capture on the Z9 will likely end up on the Z8 but any photo taken by AI for me isn't your photo and should be cast put by a judge in a comp because if your not taking that moment in time then it's no photography for me. Its about capturing the moment but if your letting a camera do that while your doing something. We'll that's just .issuing the point of why we do it.
Fantastic video again. I have just upgraded to the fuji film xt5. So looking forward to going out and about with that. Love watching your videos.
Thank you Nigel for the honest review. I think the Z8 is a natural choice for the Z9ers, smaller, lighter and yet all the features of Z9 are retained in this smaller body. Is the Z8 a successor for the beloved D850, no it’s not. The D850 didn’t have great features for shooting wild life and vids. Since what I shoot is landscape, so I am happy to stay with my Z7 for now. Though I find the sensor shield and the vertical tilting touch screen very attractive and hope to see in the future Z7.
My z8 is replacing my z9, same spec for what I use the z9 for which is wildlife. I’m keeping my z7ii for general photography but the appeal for me with the z8 is it makes a good travel camera as it does it all so I don’t have to carry the heavier z9. The tilting screen is good too but the only compromise is battery life, then again I have 6 battery’s with the z7ii so it’s not a real problem.
I've been using my Z7 II for a couple of years now (Nikon for years) and enjoy it. Sold my D850 + f mount lenses +++
Sold off because of the weight factor on my hikes. Just bought Fujifilm X-T5 and getting used to it still ~ but really like it's articulated monitor to portrait and landscape. Z8 does by your review look stunning and perhaps better ergonomics but price, weight and size unfortunately for me prohibitive . Good watching as ever .
Agreed. And so I do not sell my Z 7ii, and do not buy a Z 8, yet. The question in my mind, for your case, would be what next? I have questions, not answers. Looking at the gear overview, you list a Nikon Z6 with Nikon Z 20mm/1.8S, 24mm/1.8S, 50mm/1.8S, 85mm/1.8S prime lenses.
If I had access to one, I would try the new power-zoom DX (APS-C) on the Z 7ii and see how that works out, for video. This gives a sophisticated DX camera with IBIS, rather than a simple DX camera (we don't need full frame for RUclips, IMO). Probably better than a D500. And I would want to pair that with the optional (side) movie grip that has a USB connection to the camera. This removes the need for chugging along some of the primes with the Z 6. That said, I would probably leave a heavy couple zooms at home, replaced by a couple of these primes to then not leve at home after all. Especially the 20 and 85. The 85/1.8S may be the sharpest lens, out there.
One reason to leave the Z 6 at home (or sell it) for me would be that it has an AA-filter that the 7(ii), 9, and 8, do not have. While the AA-filter was only invented to help make raw processing (deBayerisation, demosaicking, jagged edges, banding) all a bit easier (requiring less compute power), its downside is reduced contrast envelope [1], reduced colour space, reduced low light sensitivity, reduced contour sharpness, and increased vignetting. Indeed, the less than expected low light and other benefits of a 6(ii) are explained by the presence/absence of the AA filter. The problem with the AA filter being absent is however that software like Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) may not be adapted to that, even 10 years after Nikon Eliminated the AA filter in the D800E version of the D800. The grainy noise in darker images zones and blurry image zones in ACR (=Lightroom Classic (LrC) and Photoshop (Ps)) - when within the camera's contrast envelope that it generally is - is bluntly put failed failed deBayerisation and failed demosaicking. Quick and dirty algorithms cannot do a better job - as we need refined AI to do better. Topaz in their "DeNoise AI" app and DxO in their "DeepPRIME" algorithms (available in PhotoLab or stand-alone as plug-in in PureRAW) do a much better job, both in the sense preventing the generation of grain and in the generation of digital artefacts and in the sense of prevention of detail loss. Sharpening in ACR makes this painfully clear. Yes, Adobe launched the "AI Denoise" optional algorithm in ACR, but detail loss is still a big issue to me. Run a DeNoise AI rendered file through Topaz Gigapixel AI to get 32,000 pixels on the long side (gives more than 600MP) and see what the difference is. Shocking. Makes you fully aware that A/B comparisons in ACR are total violations of ceteris paribus and meaningless as long as we do not know what to attribute to ACR and what to the camera. Note that ACR set to "Adobe Standard" uses a camera brand and model specific profile (there may be a different profile for different camera firmware versions even) in its raw processing. That profile has ICC-profile like colour and tint corrections (towards Adobe preferences), but also instructions on how to del with deBayerisation and demosaicking. LrC and Ps do zero raw processing. When the influencer in another YT channel presented an A/B comparison in LrC and said, I was looking at "raw unprocessed" images, I could only think that that person is deluded or naive or and idiot. We really need to make each other aware of the Bayer architecture and its raw processing implications. No, there is no serious alternative.
That making aware of noise (failed raw processing), the difference between AA filter present (Nikon up to 24MP at full frame, Canon in most resolutions) or not, the difference between dynamic range and single shot contrast envelope, and the problem that the ISO institute never defined "correct exposure" with the ISO LV/EV model is extremely important.
And the awareness that a better camera body does not increase the artistic value of our work (99.9% confidence level). But we may ebd up with more keepers and sleepless nights in "culling".
That all said, the Z 8, is on the top of my list. The question is "when" not "if".
[1] the big number "dynamic range" specifications only specify the range of lumen differences in which the camera can operate. That is like the temperature range. That dynamic range says nothing about the dynamic range available to an individual shot. We would not need HDR if that were the case.
So the "contrast envelope" (a term I constructed from old professional photography school in my country) is the dynamic range available to one shot. As I have this Sekonic 7580 light-meter with Sekonic target and have shot my reference shots with that target, importing the shots and running them by the calibration software gives a nice idea of usable dynamic range in one shot. After uploading that dat into the light meter, the camera's contrast envelope is displayed in the meter's display. Do I use that a lot? No. I usually shoot in "highlight-weighted" metering mode and may do that in a form of auto (something, before the Nikon Z age, I would have said to never do in my lifetime).
The contrast envelope is far less than the dynamic range.
More great content! Next year will be my big jump from Fuji back to Nikon. I’m really looking forward to working with the Z8.
I loved my X-T2, but the X-T4 just didn’t do much for my excitement of getting out and shooting.
I know gear isn’t supposed to make one better, but the gear does keep one interested and excited to pack up the camera bag and go enjoy the art of photography. Cheers!
Great video, I shoot with a D850 and a Z6. I will probably die with the 850 in my hands. Like the style and will be looking for more.
Nigel, You mentioned the larger size and the weight of the Z8 vs the Z7II and I must say, that would probably be a positive for me. I upgraded from a D70s to a D5500 and immediately noticed that I liked the feel and balance of the D70s much better. I then upgraded to the D850 with a vertical grip and I simply love it. Guess what I'm saying is, I'm not a fan of smaller, lighter cameras. BTW, I love those earlier shots with the sunlight on the stones.
A little thing i love the z8 has is the 10 pin input at the front, i used to love it in my d´850 which i can plug a third party little wireless remote with out interfiring with my L brachet as in my z7ii, I really hate the side conector affecting when shooting portrat.
This video was excellent as usual! Thanks for the effort.
Hi Nigel,
good review.
I come from a D800 and it took me some time to decide between the Z8 and Z9.
But also doing some other types of photography than landscape (bridal, studio) the Z8 with grip turn out bigger than a Z9. Like you say, it's more than the MP's what makes one to decide on a camera. And also having a very good deal on the Z9 with the Ftz II, the decision was made.
Exposure Bracketing better wirh Z8? One thing that annoys me on the Z7 is the process to switch on/off exposure bracketing for a couple of shots. My process is to switch on exposure bracketing via the 'i' Button, then set it to continous shooting mode to then take a series. If I want to switch it off, same procedure. That's a lot of buttons to press to get exposure bracketing for a photo. What I would like to have is to have that set to a single button which Ican hold while taking a shot to apply a preset exposure bracketing setting with continous shooting just for that photo. I believe my D700 or D800 could to something like that with the dedicated BKT button. Can the Z8 do that?
I’m interested to see how it works out in Antarctica. I live in a climate with cold winters and mirrorless cold weather performance has been problematic.
The only digital body I have is a D3200. I have great minolta/sony a mount lenses and Nikon F mount lenses, so I've been hesitant to upgrade my digital bodies before deciding which system I wanna stick with for analog AND digital before eventually getting a mirrorless body. This was very helpful (especially since YT has wayyy more Sony users than Nikon!)
Great video as always. I had the Z7II, and found it a little small and cheep feeling. The pictures was amazing but I never bonded with it. So purchased a leica SL2 second hand but basically new. Now, I'm inspired and love to bring it along. And as the Z8 its quite a bit heavier than the Z7II. but I think the weight make it easier to handhold. I Think I would like the Z8 better than the Z7 due to the slightly larger size, but the Z9 is much to big.
Hi Nigel thx for this honest video (as usual). The Z8 is probably better in all areas vs the z7 but as you say for a landscape photographer the advantages are poor compared to its price. I paid 1500€ for my second hand z7 and so I will keep it. When Nikon will downgrade his z8 to say a Sony A7iv camera like targeting a price between 2500 & 2800 € I could change my mind… see you
For me the Z8 would be something that I would have difficulty justifying since I don't earn my living taking photos. For that reason, I really enjoyed this video because you gave so much information about the Z7 as well. Thanks for a very informative video.
Erich Brunner
Great video! I definitely agree with you on megapixels and dynamic range. I'm shooting a lot of panoramas now, with S lenses, so resolution really isn't an issue. I have had numerous Nikon cameras over the years, and have liked them all for landscape photography. More recently, I have gone from a D850 to a Z7II to now the Z8. I recently acquired the Z8, and the move from the Z7II was primarily from a new interest in wildlife photography. The feel of the Z8 in my hands is great...reminds me of the D850. The tracking ability in the Z8 is incredible. I love having the sensor shield, especially after constantly 'battling' dust spots on the Z7II sensor. With all that said, my question is actually about computer monitors, for I am wanting to upgrade my monitors. I believe one of your monitors is the BenQ SW270C Photographer 27" (2k). Do you prefer the SW270C over the BenQ SW271C 27" (4k) monitor, where the SW270C is half the cost of the SW271C? Did you base your decision on price or rendering of color?
Choosing whether to move to the Z8 will be a lot about where you are coming from. As a D850 owner, I think I will eventually get a Z8 (or even an 8 II?) but I am still have that price leap of not only changing body but also lenses or using an adapter. The timing of that will be interesting as the number D850s that will be traded in over the next year will mean the used market will crash in value imho. Same with the F-Mount lenses... so is sooner better while the vendors might offer me a bit more for everything... but that means I'll need a few thousand more right now to go to the Z lenses too. I don't see the sense in going from D850 to Z7 II personally unless you can take advantage of that same resale market to get a good body at a reduced price. What to do...?
I find nikons green cast that has always bugged me has been adjusted and fixed in z8 that’s what is tempting me, but with the shabby memory banks and no esposure delay mode? Hmmmm
Image wise both the Z7ii and 8 are virtually identical. For me the handling, focus, durability and how familiar it felt are what made me consider the Z8 over the Z7ii.
The Z8 has more noise in shadows due to no mechanical shutter. Such a shame.
@@lewcehjitl3282 its the trade off, and serious pixel peeping.
Dear Nigel, the RUclips is full of setting up Z8/9 foe wild / birds what about landscape can you give us some clues about setting up Z8 for Landscape and using the Z8 privilege for landscape Photography.
As a Nikon ambassador, do you pay the full price for your Nikon gear? I do not think this was your best video ever, Nigel, and I typically look forward to your videos every Sunday morning. I just do not feel the video was structured well enough to explain your thought process and overall, it looked a bit defensive, like you were trying to justify your choice, which I am sure you do not have to
Well you validated my choice to buy to go alongside my D850. I got my Z8 2 weeks ago and love it - what L bracket are you using Nigel? I've ordered a 3 Legged Thing Universal QR11 FB2.0 as there's not a lot of choice out there right now. Negatives for me are the card cover opening too easily - important when you are shooting gigs like I do, not so much with landscapes. Otherwise the eye tracking is absolutely amazing - my hit rate really went up compared with the D850 when I was shooting at a festival just after I'd got it...it's a great camera!
Hi Nigel, Another great video, thank you. I’m just an amateur sports photographer equestrian and hockey mainly, sometimes under floodlights. I use a D850 fast enough during the day but can be a bit slow in low light, luckily Topaz comes to the rescue with using 10,000 ISO. Seriously looking at the Z8 in your tests how does the Z8 perform at high ISO unfortunately, the Z9 is out my price range. I have the Z6II and love it but not ideal for sport
I think 'the internet' (random people that give an opinion that is likely not applicable to your situation) often try to convince everyone that if any new camera can't nail focus on a tiny bird that's only a few inches long, dive-bombing into the water to catch a fish with a background that's only 20 feet behind the bird that consists of trees and grasses with the previously photo you shot being a completely different distance so that the camera needs to focus at the exact opposite end of the scale, well then...the new camera is flawed/junk. Those people really should find something better to do with their time. I never have and never will need to focus accurately, instantaneously in that type of scenario. Therefore, tons of cameras would fit my needs.
I don't really look at megapixels anymore; above 45 is more than enough for me. I don't really care about weight or size. I do look at the build quality, the focus, the weather sealing, and in the specific case of a mirrorless, I would look at batterylife, sensor protection when changing lenses, and more specifically in the case of Nikon, I would look at it having a fully articulating LCD screen 😅 The Z8 ticks almost all of the boxes; but battery life is still kinda meh.
I'm still using the D810 I bought in early 2015. The Z8 looks very nice but I got a taste for smaller lighter cameras after I bought a Z50 for travel a couple years back. I definitely want to go with something more along the lines of the Z7ii when it's time to replace my D810. Hoping that when Nikon updates the Z7ii it has the 2 way tilting screen like on the Z8.
So... the sensor shutter. There is one of these also on the Z6/Z7 range, you just have to use a simple 'hack' to utilise it. With camera ON, pop out the battery, then pop it back in again. You'll see a warning on screen that the shutter is closed and that you need to press the shutter button before shooting. Power off, change lens, power on, press shutter and you are good to go. I don't expect Nigel to see this given the number of folk who comment on his videos, but hopefully this might help others. It's a very simple procedure and very easy habit to get into for changing lens in the field without exposing the sensor.
I can tell that you are not used to the warm weather I had to put on my sunglasses when you had your legs in the picture. ;-) LOL. I shoot more wildlife and sports than landscape, and the z8 will great improve me.
I love your videos, especially love the samples - although may sound simple and boring to lay people - of a tree and bunch of rocks - your eye for detail, composition and capture is 2nd to none. One lesson I need to take on board as well and love my Z7 & Z50 as good back up's to my Z9 (still learning the mega features within). Was moo'mooing the Z8 specs on day 1 release but it makes sense when I thought of it - doing a baby Z9 for £4000 going against the Mid range R5 & A7R ( probably best at moment in this sector). My only wish (although not in market for this) is for Nikon to do G3 of Z6 ( compete with R6 II & A7 MK 4/5) and a Z70 ( R7 equivalent).
Hiya, there is a product recall on the Z8.
Great video Nigel, for me as a old D800 shooter that Z8 would be a sweet upgrade in many levels. All and all it’s a lot better than the D800 (even if the D800 still produce great photos) I love the size of the D800 and the size of the Z6/7 are a bit small because my little finger seams to end up at the bottom of the camerabody instead of the grip. And compared to D800 anything are lighter today
The backside are the (for me as a hobbiest photagrapher) hefty pricetag. The Z7ii are a bit expensive aswell but then it’s size are a bit small. So for me a Z6iii with a similar autofocus as the Z8/9 same processor as the two and the size of Z8 would be a killer camerabody for me.
Then again great video and keep up the good work best reguards /Anders Gruvman
Looks like a perfect spot (and conditions) for an infrared shot of that tree.
FYI, 320g weight saving Z8 versus Z9. That’s equivalent to 4 EN-EL15C batteries.
My hobby & passion is capturing birds and wildlife photography paired with Z 600 TC or Z 400/4.5, plus crop-ability with 45.7MP. In addition, Z6/Z6ll AF tracking and subject recognition were not on the same level. I’ve never owned a Z7 or Z7 ll.
Ultimately, the phrase “right tool for the job, or for you” comes to mind.
Another great vid Nigel. Sorry I don’t comment here, such a twitter stooge me.
But I really enjoyed this. TBH I’m so enjoying my Z7ii & instead of the $8k New Zealand, I should get a new MacBook Air & some glass.
Floppy screen & sensor shutter on Z7iii would rock.
I would love to know where you got the L-bracket for your Z8? It looked like it was marked as a SmallRig brand but I can't find it listed in the US anywhere. Anyway, thanks for the video on the Z8. I can say I love mine so far for all the small reasons too!
I am also interested in the answer to this question.
Silly me. I should have taken notes so I could give my perspective on many of your points. So main point. I have the Z9. I recently bought the Z5 with 24-70 F4. I like to do road trips and when on the road I might note great cloud formations when the long lens is fitted (800 F6.3). Or while the 14-24 F2.8 is fitted, a bird on a stick might be encountered. Hence the Z5 was purchased. A mistake. I should have gone for a Z7 at least. The issue is the differences in controls and general feel. I got some F mount kit to sell. More than enough to grab a Z8. Actually even for another Z9. Hmm. :)
As an amateur photographer who only ever enters club level competitions and shoots as a hobby and for fun, would I benefit from upgrading my D810, probably not, yes we'd all love to go mirrorless, I would, however, is it going to benefit my style of photography, mainly landscape and wildlife, being that I don't sell images and am not a professional, I can't honestly see that spending thousands on a camera body when the one I already have still does a damn good job and still works perfectly.
Bought myself a Nikon z5 a year or so ago. I don’t know how to use it and can’t find a video on how to basics that’s not complicated with other stuff. I used a Minolta back in the day when learning photography. Now it appears that I have to learn how to use a computer that takes photos.
The major revelation for me has been the viewfinder - you can actually see in detail what you will be photographing. Going back to my previous bodies was like peering into a coal cellar on a moonless night.
I own a D850, a Z6II and a Z50. My D850 has always been my main camera since I mainly shoot landscapes. On a few occasions I took the Z6II for landscapes and I must admit that I really don't need the 45MP. The 26MP of the Z6II are more than enough (for me). I print my images at home up to A3+ size and I can't see the difference between the 45MP and the 26MP images. I have grown to like the size of the Z6II too. I'm still not ready to sell my D850. And I'm not going to buy a Z8. Although the Z8 is a fantastic camera, I honestly don't need it; it is more camera than I need; if that makes sense. I would like to have the same tilting screen on my Z6II (and even on my D850) but that feature alone is not enough for me to upgrade. I'll invest in lenses instead. I am curious to see what Nikon is going to do with the Z6III and Z7III...
That's where I'm at. I bought the Z6 when it came out and use it for landscape photography. A great, lightweight camera for long hikes. 24 MP is plenty, especially when doing panoramas. No real weight savings on the lenses, though. I would like to see the new side-tilting screen and sensor cover filter down to the next Z6-size camera. I would buy that one.
I have a D850 and Z7ii. I can't ever see myself selling my D850. I love it too much. It's the perfect DSLR.
Great video pal. Firstly you use whichever camara your comfortable with and budget etc.. like anyone, if you can afford it and want it then get it, why not?
Im an absolute amatuer at photography and i use an entry level camera because its in my budget, its all what i have but i love it and photography. If i could afford, Z6, Z7 etc i would buy one in a heartbeat, may not need it but dont matter does it.
While new cameras are always nice, it is easy to get caught up with all the features. But for landscape photography you don't need a hugely capable camera. You just need a good sensor and good sensors have been around for a while, everything else is just bells and whistles.
Everyone wants to replicate what the photographers and artists are doing on RUclips because their work is beautiful, but thats down to talent not the camera. However those guys and gals are also content creators, videographers, bloggers etc. Video specs and features are really what you're paying for with the latest and greatest. Most people would be better off putting the new camera money into travel to get opportunities to get good shots or perhaps into better lenses.
I have recently just started taking out a Nikon FM2 SLR, a fully manual film camera, with manual lenses. Developing the film myself, getting better results than ever before and enjoying the process even more. But everyone's needs are different I shoot landscape for myself not for a profession.
"Most people would be better off putting the new camera money into travel to get opportunities to get good shots or perhaps into better lenses."
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This new Z8 is effectively the Mirrorless equivalent of the D850, but from Wex (UK) the Z8 is nearly twice the price currently. There is an offer on the D850, but even without it, the Z8 is over a grand more expensive.
@@Peter_Reed_Photography I'm still waiting for the used price to come down before I get a D850. I have a D4, if you don't mind hefting the weight around, this and DSLRs in general are fantastic for Landscape. Batteries last far longer, the cameras are more robust to knocks and they tend to have weather sealing that gives you more confidence, for example some Sony Cameras freak out if a droplet of rain lands on the hot shoe. Then If you go down the Nikon pathway, you have access to the F-mount lenses without an adapter, which is arguably the best selection out there.
@@dude157 Spot on about Nikon and the F-mount lenses. Genuinely can't see myself changing to mirrorless for a good few years. Particularly given some of the bargains you can get for used DSLRs. MPB have the D850 going from £1069 to £1809, hopefully that'll come down a bit more.
Photographic Dynamic Range is a issue for the Z8/Z9 wrt Z7-II: 0.3 stop at ISO 64 upto 1.0 Stop at ISO 400.
Just clicked on your video. You bought the Z8. So did I, got mine about four weeks ago. Without watching your video - yet - I can say definitively why you bought it. One word - autofocus.
Update. 3:00 minute mark. Confirmed.
PS. I’m missing Pebbles.
PPS yeah the vertical flippy screen is nice too. Always frustrated me not having one with my Z6ii
Loving the Santorini t-shirt!!
I like the z7ii body size for traveling, smaller. But I do more event and portrait shoots, and the taller body on the z8 is preferred. Otherwise i usually use a battery grip with my z7ii. I can't afford both, so i traded my z7ii in for the z8. I just need the more robust AF. To be honest the dslr d750 aF is very good. Bu the AF area isn't that large compared to the full sensor AF of the mirrorless. Z8 isn't as big as the d850 body. It is more like my d750 which I still use for some situations. I like the z9, z8 tilt screens, would mine a selfies screen. I think the z7iii will be the 61 mp.
I’m not a pro.. but I’ve waited to long for a z6iii that I just got the z8 and I love it 😅
I bought a Z7II but not a Z8, because the Z7II iq sensor is more powerful and I like autofocus on the Z7Ii, I don’t see any problems anywhere.
I'm still running an F-mount set-up, the D7500 with three nice lenses: Nikon's 50mm f/1.8G, Sigma's 105mm f/2.8 Macro and Sigma's 150-600mm Contemporary (for birds). There's only one other lens I'd like to buy, Sigma's 135mm Art, so I really can't see myself upgrading to mirroless given the much cheaper D780's, D810's and D850's I can get from Wex or MPB (which will hopefully get cheaper as others upgrade to the Z8).