For clarification: It doesn’t ban you from the game, but it kicks you from whatever server you’re on and gives you a warning to turn it off. I wouldn’t imagine them ever giving out bans to players because it’s too easy to accidentally leave it on when switching games.
@@Oscilatorz Well they did announce the release of "VacNet 3.0" along with this ban to nullbinds/P2Wkeyboards. Now will this significantly reduce cheating? I doubt it.
Also note that you can no longer crouch jump, run jump throw, walk jump throw, or desubtick movement :( (I'm honestly fine with these being gone but I NEED a jump throw bind)
@@diegohormazabal2541As someone who jumps with scroll wheel, yes this is painful and annoying. Like said in the vid i wish there was just a setting to toggle on and off
@@OhItzPizza i also jump with scroll wheel, u dont have to change it from options you need to rather Bind mwheelup +jump Or bind mwheeldown +jump Or both instead of changing spacebar to scrollwheel bro. You use spacebar for jumpthrows and crouch jump and scrollwheel for bunnies
That is not gonna work out. Now they react if the timing of letting one button go and pressing another is to exact. The manufacturers just need to implement a small random overlap or pause of the two buttons, best to be configured. If the game is to strict, it will detect pros as cheaters. If it is to loose, you can still use the upgraded keyboard. So easy!
I stopped using jump throw binds when CS2 came out and I've been fine. I think the importance of this is a little overblown. It's annoying but I think that's the price to pay for a clear line of what is and isn't allowed. Snap tap just gave us a great reminder why eliminating gray area is important in competitive games. Sure they could just add a bind to the game but imo, not that big a deal.
I’ve used a Wooting for about 5 years (4 years on a wooting 2 and 1 year on a wooting 60he) and the keyboard is still insanely good with its rapid trigger feature. After years of using the keyboard and pretty much only ever playing CS with a wooting, the SOCD mode didn’t really feel much better than just normal counter staffing with a keyboard of the caliber. But I’m also dogshit at the game so maybe it’s different in the high ranks and pro scene. Overall though I think the magnetic switch keyboards are 100% P2W over a standard switch and most high end players will see the advantage even without SOCD or snap tap.
Thats what I don't understand ista also a software feature, that makes you better, some people have and others don't, and reduces skill gap. But that is allowed 🤷🏻♂️
Do you just get kicked or is it a VAC ban? Because it'd be pretty debased for valve to mass ban legit players just trying out the wooting/razer settings while hackers keep their cheats. If I didn't read the update I would have had no idea it was banned and would be clueless as to why I was kicked/banned.
I think the jumpthrow bind change might be a bit of a push. Honestly it really depends on the consistency of the throw. I can see this change being a healthy one if valve ensured that jumpthrows could still be consistent in some way, similar to the middle click error correction that you mentioned.
Valve could just make it an official bind in the settings along with run jump throw, walk jump throw, crouch jump, etc. (honestly im fine with them not including crouch jump and run/ walk jump throw but I NEED that jump throw bind)
I would love to see a guide on how to win more in wingman, doesn’t have to be long maybe a couple of tips and tricks and some plays you could do to get more kills
You can setup a W+Jump throw bind in the Wooting software via dynamic keystroke. Really the only action where a bind is necessary to be consistent. Played with it today and didn't face any kind of issues on valve servers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they change jumpthrows in CS2 in a way that missing a jumpthrow is almost impossible now? Like it autodetects that you're jumping an makes all the jumpthrows the same? Or was that a fever dream?
The real tragedy for me is W+JumpThrow The amount of smokes that are now excessively difficult to hit with any consistency due to the removal of this bind is a massive negative in my eyes. Sidenote: it also removed a non-scripting work around for jumping which made it more consistent and made bhopping possible (not talking about desubtick) This update truly is the rip to bhopping : (
I don't mean this to come off as "sKiLl iSsUe", but I really haven't ever had trouble with any of them. Most are just a simple tap, and the ones that are a little different, you just practice them a few times and its ez. dont fret about it too much
@@Piaka You're overestimating the average mechanical skill/ability of the average player, lmfao. Also I would definitely mean it ass skill issue, because it is a skill issue, plain & simple.
I don’t think that you should to cancel the order, because ye snap tap/socd was banned, but now no one keyboard has it in cs2 and you also can use that in another games. And don’t forget about rapid trigger, which now gives you most of the biggest benefits in the games (after snap tap) and today not a lot of keyboards have it
hi bro! who are the best support players atm for you? can u pls give me like a bunch of players to check demos? interested in everything related to support pos gameplay. Also, i think in cs2 the role became more contextual, am i right?
ive seen people complaining about getting kicked even with it off. contact valve and just give it time. hopefully they do work on bettering it. but false positives do happen.
Sorry guys but I'm kinda happy because I never used them. 🌝 I never felt inconsistent whether with insta smokes or anything else... For anyone worrying about that : you will definitely get used to it!
After I saw that they made jumpthrowing really easy to time in CS2 I didn't bother setting up the jumpthrow to cfg and I hit it 99% of the time and 90-95% of the time run jump throws. People complaining about this are trash at the game if you ask me, even if they're pro's and better then me, how are you better if you cant do jump throws without a bind and I can? xD I was being ironic there for those less fortunate, I'm sure Valve wont add +jscript as a bind since they spent so much time making them easy to time without a bind, and that would be inconsistent with this nullbind ban, if they're essentially abusing the same mechanism, that being multiple inputs in one key.
I launched CS with nullbinds in my autoexec and my movement keys got reset without binds, and after binding them, the nullbinds did not work. Quite weird it wouldn't apply to you as well.
@@unknownentity8256 and people are getting kicked from games without using it valve are just bad at detecting things I guess I will stop using it but I bet I am not the only case of it still working
@@romanc8792 Anyone could have had this advantage with a null.cfg (I did since I thought it was gonna be the standard). But my keyboard is just fine, thanks for the concern sweetheart 🥰
@@romanc8792 you don’t need the keyboard to use the snap tap feature. Null binds have existed for as long as console commands have. Your idiot brain is showing 🤔
they should leave Jump throw, i dont use it, but for for people with accessibility issues. if its "so easy/ consistent" that you dont need a bind, then why have it as some sorta skill check at all.
Unplayable, entered a MM and got kicked 3 times for spamming A-D-A-D while holding angles. I guess you should stand still like a sitting duck to be able to play! Using a Wooting 60he keyboard but without the Snaptap and SOCD feature. But yeah the spinbotters and other blatant cheaters are free to roam!
I don't like this update. Mainly because they removed most of peoples config. I get snap tap but they could have atleast kept null binds. These configs just help you make the game more playable when the game state is shit.
They should have baned them from the start of cs2 but i really dont care about this at all. I throw w jump throws without a bind all the time and its really not that bad. I cant remember missing one recently. You just get used to it like everything else.
I'm alright with jumpthrows being caught in the crossfire if it means snaptap is banned. The software was a threat to a core mechanic that was integral to the identity of the game and bundling the symptom as "two inputs from one keypress" makes sense from a developer perspective (as some with a gamedev software engineering background). I'm often the "util guy" in my five stack and I haven't felt the need to use jumpthrow binds since CS2 as 1) all jumpthrows, even middleclick throws are incredibly consistent compared to before, and 2) the removal of skyboxes has opened up a plethora of different ways to achieve the same smoke with increasing levels of consistency. I understand a lot of people have grown incredibly accustomed to them throughout the years but whatever removes another layer of abstraction on top of the game itself feels like a positive change in my book.
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For clarification: It doesn’t ban you from the game, but it kicks you from whatever server you’re on and gives you a warning to turn it off. I wouldn’t imagine them ever giving out bans to players because it’s too easy to accidentally leave it on when switching games.
it also kicks you sometimes without using it, it's really fun
@@HerbaceousM8 can confirm, got kicked when i was just strafing too fast
Jump throws NO
Null binds NO
Pay-to-win keyboards NO
Wallhack YES
Aimbot YES
TRUE
@@Oscilatorz Well they did announce the release of "VacNet 3.0" along with this ban to nullbinds/P2Wkeyboards.
Now will this significantly reduce cheating? I doubt it.
imagine banning new tech when half your playerbase is either walling or aimbotting
Also note that you can no longer crouch jump, run jump throw, walk jump throw, or desubtick movement :( (I'm honestly fine with these being gone but I NEED a jump throw bind)
U sure u need a jump throw bind? Since Valve already made it easier
@@diegohormazabal2541As someone who jumps with scroll wheel, yes this is painful and annoying. Like said in the vid i wish there was just a setting to toggle on and off
@@OhItzPizza i also jump with scroll wheel, u dont have to change it from options you need to rather
Bind mwheelup +jump
Or bind mwheeldown +jump
Or both instead of changing spacebar to scrollwheel bro. You use spacebar for jumpthrows and crouch jump and scrollwheel for bunnies
@@diegohormazabal2541this is the way to do it
I think they should put in game the jump throw bind this is idiotic to do, after 20 years of using this binds now they are removed. Shitshow.
That is not gonna work out. Now they react if the timing of letting one button go and pressing another is to exact. The manufacturers just need to implement a small random overlap or pause of the two buttons, best to be configured.
If the game is to strict, it will detect pros as cheaters. If it is to loose, you can still use the upgraded keyboard.
So easy!
I stopped using jump throw binds when CS2 came out and I've been fine. I think the importance of this is a little overblown. It's annoying but I think that's the price to pay for a clear line of what is and isn't allowed. Snap tap just gave us a great reminder why eliminating gray area is important in competitive games. Sure they could just add a bind to the game but imo, not that big a deal.
They either had to ban it or make valorant strafing so its fair for everyone
Jump throw binds aren’t needed at all people forget that no matter the height of release jump throws are consistent in cs2 afaik.
That is why you are silver
this is very correct. exactly my thoughts.
I feel like Valve giving us a jump throw action in-game like Pol0 suggested would be totally fine.
I’ve used a Wooting for about 5 years (4 years on a wooting 2 and 1 year on a wooting 60he) and the keyboard is still insanely good with its rapid trigger feature. After years of using the keyboard and pretty much only ever playing CS with a wooting, the SOCD mode didn’t really feel much better than just normal counter staffing with a keyboard of the caliber. But I’m also dogshit at the game so maybe it’s different in the high ranks and pro scene.
Overall though I think the magnetic switch keyboards are 100% P2W over a standard switch and most high end players will see the advantage even without SOCD or snap tap.
Thats what I don't understand ista also a software feature, that makes you better, some people have and others don't, and reduces skill gap.
But that is allowed 🤷🏻♂️
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Do you just get kicked or is it a VAC ban? Because it'd be pretty debased for valve to mass ban legit players just trying out the wooting/razer settings while hackers keep their cheats. If I didn't read the update I would have had no idea it was banned and would be clueless as to why I was kicked/banned.
@@Bagginsess great question, so it doesn’t ban you, but it kicks you from the server and give you a warning saying to turn it off
@@Pol0cs ok thank god. I figured they'd do that but I didn't want to be the one to test it lol.
I think the jumpthrow bind change might be a bit of a push. Honestly it really depends on the consistency of the throw. I can see this change being a healthy one if valve ensured that jumpthrows could still be consistent in some way, similar to the middle click error correction that you mentioned.
Valve could just make it an official bind in the settings along with run jump throw, walk jump throw, crouch jump, etc. (honestly im fine with them not including crouch jump and run/ walk jump throw but I NEED that jump throw bind)
Jump throws have been consistent since cs2 launched. If it is inconsistent it's far less than it was in global offensive
It's hilarious how many people that haven't even tried jump throwing without the script.
I would love to see a guide on how to win more in wingman, doesn’t have to be long maybe a couple of tips and tricks and some plays you could do to get more kills
rapid trigger still completely worth it and the original reason people bought these keyboards
@@elrokk666 100% rapid trigger is still goated
Same here its.brilliant
You can setup a W+Jump throw bind in the Wooting software via dynamic keystroke. Really the only action where a bind is necessary to be consistent.
Played with it today and didn't face any kind of issues on valve servers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they change jumpthrows in CS2 in a way that missing a jumpthrow is almost impossible now? Like it autodetects that you're jumping an makes all the jumpthrows the same? Or was that a fever dream?
The real tragedy for me is W+JumpThrow
The amount of smokes that are now excessively difficult to hit with any consistency due to the removal of this bind is a massive negative in my eyes.
Sidenote: it also removed a non-scripting work around for jumping which made it more consistent and made bhopping possible (not talking about desubtick)
This update truly is the rip to bhopping : (
@KMSMinestrike
gid gud noob... Sorry joking.. or not...
I'm pissed about the jumpthrowbinds, how will step jumpthrows work now and im not into inconsistent nades and listening to dudes grunt intently
I don't mean this to come off as "sKiLl iSsUe", but I really haven't ever had trouble with any of them. Most are just a simple tap, and the ones that are a little different, you just practice them a few times and its ez. dont fret about it too much
@@Piakaim like 99% sure that most people who complained about jt binds getting removed haven't even attempted to do it without the bind.
just get good at the game and stop yapping, might as well bind your ass to your mouth
They apparently made the timing less tight for jump throws, making it easier as compensation for this change. Haven't tested this myself tho
@@Piaka You're overestimating the average mechanical skill/ability of the average player, lmfao.
Also I would definitely mean it ass skill issue, because it is a skill issue, plain & simple.
I recently ordered the wooting 60he keyboard, should I cancel the order or does it still provide good features/slight advantage?
I don’t think that you should to cancel the order, because ye snap tap/socd was banned, but now no one keyboard has it in cs2 and you also can use that in another games. And don’t forget about rapid trigger, which now gives you most of the biggest benefits in the games (after snap tap) and today not a lot of keyboards have it
The keyboard is still sick and the rapid trigger feature still makes it the best gaming keyboard out right now
insane you already have a video out about this
had to be done LOL
This needed to happen, you can still use snappy tappy with neutral + alt fully pressed behaviour.
It wasn't paywalled, you could have same feature with nullbinds through cfg commands previous to this recent update.
But you still have rapid trigger, right? So yeah, SOCD is gone but it's still very beneficial to own a HE keyboard.
@@diztinger yeah rapid trigger is still insane, if they removed that then this would be a complete nuke of an update
@@Pol0cs true
hi bro! who are the best support players atm for you? can u pls give me like a bunch of players to check demos? interested in everything related to support pos gameplay. Also, i think in cs2 the role became more contextual, am i right?
tried a couple of tdm games where I had it on and off. I was kicked on a lot of the games. It works, but its a bit iffy.
ive seen people complaining about getting kicked even with it off. contact valve and just give it time. hopefully they do work on bettering it. but false positives do happen.
Sorry guys but I'm kinda happy because I never used them. 🌝 I never felt inconsistent whether with insta smokes or anything else... For anyone worrying about that : you will definitely get used to it!
they can "ban" this but not ban the actual cheaters.
After I saw that they made jumpthrowing really easy to time in CS2 I didn't bother setting up the jumpthrow to cfg and I hit it 99% of the time and 90-95% of the time run jump throws.
People complaining about this are trash at the game if you ask me, even if they're pro's and better then me, how are you better if you cant do jump throws without a bind and I can? xD
I was being ironic there for those less fortunate, I'm sure Valve wont add +jscript as a bind since they spent so much time making them easy to time without a bind, and that would be inconsistent with this nullbind ban, if they're essentially abusing the same mechanism, that being multiple inputs in one key.
I suppose I cant use my bomb throw bind anymore I'll just press 5 and then G oh well
Bro what map is this where you can practise all this util?
Null bind still works for me I just played 3 comp games and a few dms I haven't been kicked from a single game
I launched CS with nullbinds in my autoexec and my movement keys got reset without binds, and after binding them, the nullbinds did not work.
Quite weird it wouldn't apply to you as well.
@@unknownentity8256 and people are getting kicked from games without using it valve are just bad at detecting things I guess I will stop using it but I bet I am not the only case of it still working
good riddance. level playing field again
hush, your broke is showing 🤢 sunshine
@@romanc8792 Anyone could have had this advantage with a null.cfg (I did since I thought it was gonna be the standard). But my keyboard is just fine, thanks for the concern sweetheart 🥰
Level up your wallet.
@@romanc8792 you don’t need the keyboard to use the snap tap feature. Null binds have existed for as long as console commands have. Your idiot brain is showing 🤔
you triggered the wallet warriors lol
Oh noes now i can't press as many keyboard keys while my aimbot wipes out the server in 0.1 second 💀💀🤡🤡
Even rapid trigger is kicking you out. So nothing back to 10 euro keyboard I guess.
Jump throw binds unnecessary, you can get used to it so quick
it's not banned if you don't get caught using it. easy enough if wallhacks and spinbots are still a thing
Rapid trigger still king
true, wooting is still worth it because of that feature
No paywall for nullbinds
Null binds banned by ESL and faceit
they should leave Jump throw, i dont use it, but for for people with accessibility issues. if its "so easy/ consistent" that you dont need a bind, then why have it as some sorta skill check at all.
Unplayable, entered a MM and got kicked 3 times for spamming A-D-A-D while holding angles. I guess you should stand still like a sitting duck to be able to play! Using a Wooting 60he keyboard but without the Snaptap and SOCD feature. But yeah the spinbotters and other blatant cheaters are free to roam!
does this mean buy binds are gone?
I don't think so, it's not like it uses multiple buttons, but I hope they're not.
not include multiple movement so its still fine
I don't like this update. Mainly because they removed most of peoples config. I get snap tap but they could have atleast kept null binds. These configs just help you make the game more playable when the game state is shit.
They should have baned them from the start of cs2 but i really dont care about this at all. I throw w jump throws without a bind all the time and its really not that bad. I cant remember missing one recently. You just get used to it like everything else.
I won't turn of shit. At max I will turn off CS2 instead forever.
fr lmao, still use SOCD n haven't been kicked yet
i still can play with socd and i dont get kicked tf
lol valve bans keyboards and not hackers?
nice that was very important so i can now cheat with real cheats becasue this will not get fixed
This is a bad news.
Elaborate? Skill sealing reduction wasn't allowed by Valve? Oh noooo. Anyways.
Can't have your cake and eat it too
its good they removed jumpthrow, its easy to do without, and we need clear rules.
gg to movement
So why these dogs don't ban 360 Hz monitor because it's cheat !
I'm alright with jumpthrows being caught in the crossfire if it means snaptap is banned. The software was a threat to a core mechanic that was integral to the identity of the game and bundling the symptom as "two inputs from one keypress" makes sense from a developer perspective (as some with a gamedev software engineering background).
I'm often the "util guy" in my five stack and I haven't felt the need to use jumpthrow binds since CS2 as 1) all jumpthrows, even middleclick throws are incredibly consistent compared to before, and 2) the removal of skyboxes has opened up a plethora of different ways to achieve the same smoke with increasing levels of consistency. I understand a lot of people have grown incredibly accustomed to them throughout the years but whatever removes another layer of abstraction on top of the game itself feels like a positive change in my book.
ij need a jumpthrow bind
Wild.
gg snap tap
So ur a blatant cheater. Thanks for the uppdate 👏
Get good scrubs
Finally
This is a W moment thank god cs2 is playable again