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Level 100 and 3 years playing:
Iron Twins: Never run it
Sand Devil: Only ran to level 7
Phantom: Never run it
Same. Twins is the only one of the three I do. It's barely worth it.
Pretty much The same
Only run twins on Sundays
Yep only twins on sunday
Why only Sunday?@@stephenglogoza6423
They will almost certainly fuck it up
The dungeon divers point thing is why i dont bother with these dungeons as often as I should. That, plus having to use energy and not getting good rewards. Its not worth the time.
I don't think many people notice but they slowly change points of dungeons divers, mythical piece 6 star was 35 points now is 25 points, they have the overall points by like 40% and increase the points needed for certain milestones...
I has hoping for content creator to call this but nobody noticed, same shit for other aspects of the game.
( Champion training, trun events and so on...)
you're incorrect, a lot of CC complained about the points inflation in the game (maybe not specific about the value of artifacts in dungeon divers, but regarding all the other aspects, they did) @@danielfranco5387
I skip every dungeon diver that I can. It is never worth the rewards it gives.
I have to stop playing these three dungeons and Minotaurs whenever there is a fusion just because of the energy requirements. They have also nerfed the dungeon divers rewards which makes it really difficult to complete those events.
I basically stopped playing Raid as a result of all the changes, plus the shard drop rates they represent virtually never actually materializing (which is why they have the so called mercy system, because the shard drop rates don't actually materialize).
I think the worst thing to happen is them adding that passive that nerfed enemy max hp champions. It significantly increased farming duration everywhere. We should at least be able to block their passives with Rhonda so then I could nuke all the new bosses to the shadow realm. Idk man, just takes too much time to do everything. I think you should be able to do everything in under an hour. It would ensure people would play every single day
iron twins with like 10 keys/day and no energy required can be just insane they need to think about something like that
exactly, at the very least take the energy requirement out and make it just a key requirement daily that way f2p can participate more in the soul summons and events
We are talking about Plarium here... not a generous company.
they'll do their best to squeeze every last dime from every player they can get money from.
@thedawner6311 exactly... that's why when you do these fusions.... they want them 5 star, max level and fully ascended.... championship you are literally building just to throw away... just greedy
The moment that happens, you would be required to pull souls for fusions!
I'd rather they do just the opposite; get rid of the keys and just charge energy. Let me farm Iron Twins until I run out all my energy. Lord forbid they do something like that though. Also, how about throw some tombs in there for prizes; we need to be abled to farm books. Again, fat chance of that.
You make a lot of great points, but let’s be honest. Palarium won’t do any of them and flop on their face as usual.
The actual name of the dungeon divers is "getting gear"-event.
More like 'getting more crap gear to sell.'
@@briankulesz9410 Isn't it DUNG divers
@@DreamWalker687 I like that!
Then the improvement could simply be getting gear and/or gear equipment (oils, dust, etc). Hell, could even make it 'getting equipment' and include scrolls as well
I agree totally with the "lack of return on your investment" argument. I have a couple of accounts that are mid-game, and there is really no good reason to waste energy in the dungeons mentioned. Sometimes, (rarely) ascending gear will be a requirement to complete the advanced quests, and I will have to farm for that. Otherwise, it's just too much energy wasted for really poor rewards.
I only ever do Sand Devil when there is a turn attack event on it. I don't do Phantom and stopped doing Iron Twins, and its all for the same reasons you described, so 100% could not agree more strongly with you.
Endgame content for Raid:
Iron Twins: cheese with Geo, 3 painkeepers and block damage.
Sand Devil: cheese with Godseeker.
Phantom shogun: Paragon cheese with 4 other rare champs.
I don’t use block damage for iron twins
@@freeeggs3811 good for you. But most do
Please can you elaborate I need a lot of help with these
paragon cheese for shogun is possible again? wich speed u run him?
@@shalevbskeldv8012 paragon, gnarlhorn, renegade and 2 dps
Speaking of minotaur, it NEEDS to drop like 3x the silver that it does. Like I just did 4 fusions back to back with a bunch of summoning events, and I'm finally taking this lady mikage event off to do minotaur and I feel like I'm being punished because it gives piss all for silver.
Here's your fixes for your dungeon problems Raid:
Iron Twins: Double the rewards, half the cost
Sand Devil: Rework the boss so that we don't have to cheese it, make it count towards dungeon divers based on stage
Phatom Shogun: Rework the boss so that we don't have to cheese it, make it count towards dungeon divers based on stage
Minotaur: Allow super raids and make it count towards dungeon diver.
Do these things and you'll win over 90% of the community.
A quick way to help the minotaur problem would be to change the advanced quest making you get 3 artifacts from dungeons to a quest where you need to complete 3 dungeons. I don't need a chance for shitty gear, I need the ability to put that energy where I need it
I run sand devil stage 7 because with my level 97 account I can't 100% anything further since I lack the required champs. Iron Twins I'm lucky enough to have a valkyrie otherwise I'd have never beaten stage 15. Shogun I don't even touch since there's nothing to double dip into with my energy. Looking forward to the big changes
Great review of the dungeons, HH! I like your idea of Dungeon Diver Points. in addition to what you said, how about this:
1. Sand Devil should provide random gear that you get from the two gear dungeons and Phantom Grove should provide accessories. That way you get gear, DD points and can sell unwanted gear for silver...win, win, win.
2. Iron twins should provide, at max level, random gear from nightmare campaign boss levels, again, maybe a piece or two of gear you could use, but get some more DD points and silver.
@brianjohns7230: I agree with you, but there are THREE dungeons that drop artifacts: Dragon's Lair, Ice Golem's Tower and Fire Knight's Castle. 🤓
I'd just settle for a mortal stone every lvl 15 run.
100% everything you said. Given how many resources they now require for a fusion, I often skip these other dungeons because using ANY energy risks me being able to complete the fusion. This is both a consequence of the escalation of resources needed AND the frequency of fusions. I feel like I really don’t play half the content I could because I’m always saving for the next fusion.
I feel you on minotaur. So much champion training. I got so many 6 stars i cant get masteries for.
Dungeon diver points, double the silver drop for completing stage. Give use daily keys and charge energy to farm more than daily amount. I like your adding the event currency during events idea.
I do Iron Twins every day- bigest stat boost source ever! Unkillable Geomancer team.
I have Shogun 25 auto team and I almost never do it.
I do solo Blizar Sand devil 25 when there is SD event, I don’t have energy to run it as much as I would like to.
I have around 1k energy in day. Any normal game event requires around 3-4k energy to complete, so I barely get to complete any 1 thing not to mention Mino, potions and these 3 dng.
Iam end game F2P, 3 years in.
how do you get 1k energy in day????
I just got Geomancer. What's your unkillable team?
@@rysq_b00m3r5pretty easy. Free potions
I'd be happy if they just boosted the drops for Iron twins to include both coins AND essence with each run (plus drop the cost for 6 more runs from 150 to 50)
Drop the cost period it should run on keys
I think the rotation for Cursed City happens like this. Let's call the filters ABCD and E. When the rotation starts it randomizes the group, BDCAE for example. Once that rotation is complete, another rotation is calculated in this case it would exclude E in the first slot, so DEACB for example could be the second rotation still utilizing all filters. The third rotation excludes D in the first slot, CADEB etc.
As Saph says it (and reading the digest I'm inclined to agree with him) every stage will randomize from now on, so each and every stage will be on a different rotation there will not be a theme to each rotation anymore like there was for the last couple of months.
I really do hope they make all three of those dungeons require Keys only, but it does make me nervous how much more powerful people will able to become in terms of PVP.
I haven't made it far enough into the iron twins to get any of the essence, and until recently I thought that the drops were guaranteed for those. I didn't realize it was a minuscule chance. Of course it wouldn't have made sense at all for it to be guaranteed to get both of the silver and bronze Essence whatever they are called, in that case I thought that you got one or the other in the range of the amount that it says.
Also, you were talking about premium currencies: I think it should be possible to get ores from the sand devil and Shogun
Major point on the on the dungeon divers stuff. What I would consider your progression dungeons: potion keeps, Mino, sand devil, and shogun for the purpose of progression of champion or gear progression don't get included into dungeon divers, so its really hard to progress what you already have built while those events are going on. And of course you have to do them because most of the time it seems like they go towards a fusion so cant really skip on them if your already skipping on summons or something else in a fusion that is harder to achieve.
I would like to see a boss mechanic with something simple like a boss specific vulnerability when debuffed: debuff = damage multiplier that is different for each boss. So for an example make X BOSS vulnerable to FREEZE, while X BOSS is FROZEN, damage is increased 2x for every freeze debuff stack applied. They could choose to have the boss either be effected by the debuff (freeze, stun, sleep etc.) or maybe for the hard mode have the boss only receive the damage multiplier while debuffed meaning they can still attack while debuffed by sleep, stun or freeze but maybe do less damage or have a unique mechanic while attacking. This would help provide diversity in the teams used. The stop turn debuffs of Freeze, Stun and Sleep would be first three I would like to see with other debuffs added as well.
I run Sand Devil at Stage 3 because the cost per run is only 8 energy. The interesting thing I have found is that Stage 3 drops Ancient Shards quite often. The last couple of Sand Devil Tournaments I got 3-5 Ancient Shards just farming Stage 3. Most of the champions I use regularly have level 2 ascension artifacts now just from doing these tournaments. The extra Ancient Shards really make it more worthwhile also.
Built a roshcard/geo IT team a long time ago, but even though it’s cheeseable, sometimes i don’t run it because the fact that you use energy AND keys is annoying, plus the drop rates on stuff leaves a lot to be desired. I built Nubs Gnarlhorn team for Shogun and that I do run a bit but not a whole lot, for the reasons you explained which are so on point. Why hit it? When there’s so much other stuff to do to stay on top of the never ending crap they throw out at us. Sand devil I’m having a hard time with but I’m also waiting on an Aniri 5th star to hit the soul shop. I don’t have a Kymar, or Yumeko, it’s definitely tough to accomplish, and I agree. They’ve currently have it that most of it all revolves around a select few champs to succeed. Shogun rare team was the one area that was wild to see come together with minimal time and effort invested overall 🤯
I’ve tracked my essence and it takes close to 40 weeks to get enough essence to buy a 1 star leggo soul. The energy consumed to do that doesn’t come close to beginning to bring any value to an account. I’d argue its does the exact opposite. I’d say any day other than void is a complete waste of energy both short and long term. Even void day is a bad return but 3 mortal stones vs almost 1 is a bigger boost. Plus on void if you hit essence once you can get up to 10 pieces. Bug overall the energy use is a total waste. If just keys it’s just a waste of time which is slightly more palatable.
@@aaronschmitt3159 yeah that’s a good point. I’ve not tracked it, I’m sure it would infuriate me if so 😂 but it for sure isn’t worth it for most, and the only reason I do it when I choose to is mostly boredom
@@shawn_thomas27 If its consistently done its probably worth it in the long run for end game account. its 900 coins a day and maybe 2-4 essence. So every void day you get enough coins for 3 if you do the refill. So on average you probably get 10 mortal souls per week. thats an additional 200 coins per week. If you only pull on the new 2x boost then you probably earn enough coins to buy a premium soul at 38 every 4 months or so. if you gather all the souls and coins from events that probably a 3* soul every 2 months or a 3* and 4* soul every 4-6 months. With Hydra drops that might get you there in the 4 months but without i bet its every bit of 6 months. So i dont find the 1-4* souls an issue. but going from 4 to 6 is damn near impossible without spending.
@@aaronschmitt3159you’re absolutely right. I am “early end-game”. But getting lucky off the mortal stones is definitely like getting lucky off a primal shard 😂 TL;DR for the other people, we agree with HH, they need to up the rewards, unlock it from 12 keys only, or a mix of both
I run Iron Twins everyday (Helicath, Brogni, Archer, Geo & Mithtrala). Sand devil every day, 2 times on Sunday. Souls are just so massive an upgrade, Saph made a Video where he compared the difference between a +4 lego and a perfect soul, it wasn't even close.
Sand Devil & Shogun, when I got spare energy/time.
So many have already said it, but in case Plarium are actually paying attention, I'm in the same boat as so many others and agree with all your points HH. I need these to count towards Dungeon Divers or it's very rare that I can spare the energy to do them. Even if it's a set amount of points depending on the level and maxing out at 15 or something low (the same amount as a 5 star blue artifact for the highest stage) would still free up some energy for me to focus more on these dungeons.
SD: godseeker + ninja w/ 3 food for champ training
Shogun: use an emic w/ high cdmg wythir
IT: emic, geo, pk
but also agree they should throw us some more rewards w/ IT and lose the energy cost. & MAYBE make the dust available for the last 3-5 stages on SD & shogun
yes we need always some specific champions
I currently do iron twins daily and sand devil whenever a tourny drops, phantoms grove is my next area of focus and i will likely aim for a stage 25 team
I haven't touched iron twins, phantom shogun and sand devil since they were launched and I've been playing the game for 3 years
@itsmim6726: My main is level 57 while my current alts are levels 50, 42 and 18.
I've done Iron Twins a few times with my main and maybe my strongest alt.
Edit: I've done a little normal Cursed City with my main, but I haven't tried Sand Devil's Necropolis or Phantom Shogun's Grove yet.
My main and strongest alt both have Geomancer which is why I've done a little Iron Twins, but IT requires a lot of effort for few rewards. 😵💫
adding it to dungeon divers would change so much
I understand it that each stage on the map will be random from 5 filters, after the 5th rotation is done. So you can have stage 1 from rotation 3 and stage 2 from rotation 5.
I don't regularly run any of these dungeons. But for Iron Twins they should start running special events for souls. By that I mean an Iron Twins event with a decent chance for 1-3 star perfect soul drops among a pool/faction. Could be higher % for rares, then less for epics, legendary, and mythic respectively. The chances of getting a useful soul still a bit random, but I bet it would encourage people to participate even at low stages.
Iron Twins is fun to manual if you have a team of champions that have skills with a high damage variance (A1 doesn't do much damage but A3 does) but it's frustrating because the HP thresholds are not clearly marked on the boss's HP bar. I think they should put markers on the bar to show you when the boss does his HP-based skill; it would remove the frustration but keep the fun. Also they should consider boosting the practical damage from Reflect Damage to be about 75% of the damage as Geomancer's unique version of Reflect Damage (so two Woad-painted would be at least as effective as 1.5 Geomancers) and consider changing Reflect Damage so that it will reflect damage done to shields. If their goal is to get people to do Iron Twins daily (and not trying to make it more enjoyable with more champion options) then agreed, it's all about stamina lack of return. Stamina can be used for Campaign dailies and Dungeons with artifact/accessory rewards, but everything else should be on keys that are refreshed once daily (rewards from other content that give you more keys are great for building a battle rhythm/play cycle; like how faction wars keys generate [limited/day additional] tag team arena coins that generate [limited/day additional] faction wars keys).
Iron Twins - double the rewards and the essence from the higher levels is AS WELL as the coins not replacing the coins. I had finally solved IT and ran it every day and it took 3 months to get 300 essence to upgrade a 5 star to 6 star.
I usually run Iron Twins each day, unless I'm actively going for a fusion and don't have the energy to spare.
Sand Devil I often run during a turn attack. I have Godseeker and Ninja and run level 24 with no problem (still can't get level 25 to work for some reason).
Phantom I hardly ever run.
I wish these dungeons would count for dungeon divers, it would make such a big difference. I hate not being able to run the area of the game I want to run because I'm being forced to use my energy in a certain place because of events.
HH I agree with you that ALL dungeons should provide points for dungeon divers...Im FTP and minotaur is incredible hard to run during the small downtimes we have been all the crap we have. Especially when they introduce a Champ that's crap, and buff them right after the fusion or fragment is done...
You’re 100% correct about Iron Twins. I’ve never understood that from the get go, only keys and no f’ing energy, soo greedy! It’s one or the other, but it’s not both. Ridiculous!
Double or more the rewards for the three dungeons and give them the same pot of 18 keys each day so the resource has a similar limit for spenders and free to play to keep the game balanced and make it less of a time sink or halve the energy coast but doing that will make even more of a divide between spenders and FTP.
In sand devil tournaments change them to events and make them work on the level you're doing for all three dungeons then you have a reason to farm them if you're doing the key option
If the energy option then you'd need to run individual tournaments for each dungeon otherwise everyone would just farm the fastest dungeon out of the three.
I have been free to play for about 2 years and have only spent about $100 total. I agree with everything you said. If iron twins did’t require energy I would do it daily. I hate sand devils necropolis because it requires such specific stats that makes my champ unusable in other areas like clan boss. I have never even entered the shogun boss fight. They either need to give us more energy or change the costs of doing these fights if they want me to participate. I would consider myself an end game player but I would never choose to spend my energy on these things over the regular dungeons where I have a better chance to improve my gear.
Hell Hades, everything you talked about regarding what you want to see from dungeons - Would you implement these changes if it was your game, Fateless??
In addition to adding DD points, I like HH idea of keys for shogun: maybe 5-10 free sand devil and shogun runs per day before it charges energy. That way everyone can steadily build up some materials and newer players can do whatever stage they can while not wasting precious energy
I'd be ok with this. X keys for free, and then energy thereafter. Also allows failed attempts.
Another problem with Sand-devil is the 3% on the sleep. Difficult to build a (fast) team that bouce back if the sleep 3%. Hence its mostly either godseeker or Siphi teams if want consistency
The CC filter rotation seems to be per-room rather than an overall set of filters, by my reading of that update.
I only recently started doing phantom shogun to complete some Marius missions. Iron twins is a daily farm for me despite hating it. Sand devil is a farm only during turn attack tournaments.
Level 100, playing for more than 4 years:
Iron Twins: used to run on the weekend, then only Sundays, now never do it
Sand Devil: have to run it, to complete the daily quests, but only lower stages, with Godseeker and Ninja
Phantom: ignored it as long as I could, but had to try it, to advance in the Marius missions. even with double Gnut, I can only do stage 11
I don't have a problem with energy or dungeon divers points. only a big nerf to the bosses, would make want to play more.
I run (as quite end-game account): Iron Twins: Daily 6 keys, Sunday 12 keys. Sand Devil: l run the turn tournaments - good combo to get the mid soul. Phantom: Will be doing now for Marius missions, but no reason to run it otherwise - I do not have team for lvl 25 yet. If these things gave Dungeons Divers points, it would be a game changer.
3+ years playing I do twins daily and x2 on Sunday . Sand devil turn attack for prism crystals .i agree they all need to be included in divers and make a shogun turn attack event for these new soul crystals
Ever since Cursed City was released, I don't bother with SD because I always get enough oils to cover the occasional advanced quest to ascend gear. I do IT a couple times a week as I'm building better Hydra teams, and blessings really make a difference there. Plus, there are soul events so IT can at least payoff in a secondary way (double-dip?) by getting resources that will earn points for even more resources. I haven't run Phantom since the first week it was released.
I agree with iron twins with no energy requirement. I run Minotaur but would LOVE for it to be part of dungeon divers. It IS A DUNGEON. Never understood why only those specific dungeons were part of dungeon divers.
I don't do any of the three being changed up. No energy for them. No time for them. Rewards are not worth the effort put in. I agree that if Iron Twins didn't have the energy requirement, and if I could actually beat it on a higher level, I would play it more. Similarly, I have 2 of the champs with sleep affects, but none that seem to do enough damage to get anywhere. As for the newest of those three, yeah, figured it was similar to the other two. So, I haven't even tried it.
Iron Twins biggest problems is the rewards, they need to be better. Second they need to either get rid of the energy requirement or my preference the keys, so the dungeon can be farmed properly. I would like to be able to run 50 or 100 runs of iron twins at night while I slept.
Well done, HH - you absolutely nailed it! I'd love to to IT daily, but I can't afford the energy cost while trying to do events and/or train up food (default activity). I'm not a spender, but also not F2P - I have a budget of $150 per year for the game, and IT is just not doable unless there is a fusion that is not an upgrade to my account. Also, you clearly understand that the dungeon divers event is extremely energy intensive and is active ~70-80% of the time of late. Gaining no benefit from Sand Devil, Potion Keeps, Minotaur, or IT (all of which are useful for me) gates me from doing that content.
The game is in such an odd place regarding this dynamic, that I have never completed a Sand Devil or Phantom Shogun run before, despite my account being more than a year old and at level 83. I tried Sand Devil a while back and was trounced so thoroughly while spending 16 energy per attempt, that I haven't tried it since. I mean, come on, 16 energy for 4-5 lesser oils (~30 runs or 480 energy to do a 2-level ascension on a single piece of gear). Like IT, dungeon divers' event with lesser oil (or souls currency) as a reward has a significantly better energy to reward conversion rate than farming the instance that is supposedly the primary source for that currency.
I have basically your team in Sand Devil, but with Riho for the debuffs. Without double Gnut, I had to run a crazy team with a slow Duchess, 2 Armigers, a Septimus and Riho. 3 minute fight but need that dust so I can be angry at another RNG aspect. lol
Shogun is worse, it is fast but I use Gnut in affinity breaker and I just live with the 5-6% fail rate. Shogun is so much less important though so I don't need to run it near as much.
I cheese Iron twins which i have actually stopped running until the new missions.
This seems to be RAID's MO. They come out with these special mechanics to kill a boss but because they are so over convoluted, we just end up bypassing in some way. Not just these 3, but look at Bommel, in come cases Sintranos.
I think what we as players want and what they want are so wildly different. We cant to crack the code, then eventually have a speed farm. They want us to play the game for WOW like hours.
They need to implement a gear layout system of 3 to 5 slots per champion so we not wasting sliver or have to wait on gear removal to come around and sliver in this game is another big problem
I think that touching on the bad boss design is what really nails the point. It feels like if you don’t have one of 4 champions then you shouldn’t even bother because it will turn into a 10 minute run that will likely fail.
I think adding dungeon divers points to the other dungeons would be a great idea. Would be nice to get points on the other dungeons as well when you get a shard or potion as a reward instead of an artifact/accessory. Nothing like wasting 40 energy only to get a shard and a potion - no points.
I would 100% do these dungeons more often if they either contributed to dungeon divers or didn't use energy. Iron twins is on Sundays, when there isn't a big event going on. Which lately has not happened.
I would love to see them start sprinkling not even full primal shards, but the fragments in the loot pools of all dungeons. Maybe even make them part of the dt hard secret rooms in quantities similar to the champ shards. It would be a trade that would make more sense than the armor resources
The biggest issue with Sand Devil is the inconsistency of the fight. The mechanics of the fight should allow you to use sleep champions such as khymar, chaagur or Klydna to keep the boss asleep effectively. Unfortunately it doesn't work. Because the boss resists the sleep too often. So essentiallly you are just wasting energy, and as you said, for rewards that stink. The only time I run Sand devil is when there is a tourny because the additional rewards make is somewhat worthwhile. Iron twins is different, I have firrol and just set the first round to only use primary then put in counterattack champs and the runs are flawless so I run it every day, but you are right, energy plus keys is a money grab. Shogun is silly for me, I am running it for marius missions. Every dungeon should give points for dungeon divers and dungeon divers shouldn't be based on RNG. it should be based on dungeon level or time for points. RNG makes it a real energy drain.
You do what you can do well based on your champions (and gear). So I'm doing Iron Twins because I have Geo. I would like to but have not really gotten around to working up through the ranks of Shogun. And I don't do Sand Devil because I don't have Godseeker.
I have 6+ lego champions queued up to run Minotaur and have not had the energy, gems, or IRL time to run them through Minotaur and get their masteries... I only run Twins on Sundays; only do Sand Devil and Shogun if 'required' by a Challenge/Quest.
You’re spot on, take away the energy, make them a key thing and add points to dungeon divers. People will try and sort out ways to make the boss fight work for them if they have the opportunity to. Players need to be incentiveised not penalized to run these areas. Sure the mechanics may help a bit, but still what’s the point if the gameplay itself isn’t adjusted
The new clanboss or Whatever next gets added it's going to be nasty. Players will end up needing souls, accended gear and mythicals might play a part .This might help more players beat cursid city (in short term).
like you mention with the damage dealers being unusable for Iron Twins, maybe they should have it where if the damage-dealer is the same affinity as the Iron Twins, then the twins wont cleanse or trigger the damage threshold? maybe something in that path of what to change where it's more worth while to build 2-3 other damage dealers to match the affinity and save geomancer for the Force affinity incase they don't have a force dps.
I think the city rotation is different from how you interpret it.
I think the rotations will be fixed. So, each rotation has a fixed set of trash mobs and bosses.
And there's a set of 5 filter sets in use. So, when a rotation starts, it picks one of the 5 available filter sets. Eventually, rotation 1 will have the same filter set it had when first released. When that happens, you'll start to see the same champs you used on that first run through the city.
It will take a while for that to happen, but it will eventually happen.
For me I would only really do Iron Twins on a Sunday because of Energy & Rewards. Sand Devils I have been doing a lot more of when I have time but that is cause I got lucky and got a 5 star soul for Godseeker otherwise would still be doing it very little and Shogun I rarely do at all since it has been release.
@hellhades, I think your wrong about the cursed city rotations… as I read it… it sounds to me like each individual stage has 5 possible configurations… and at the start of each new rotation, each stage will randomly select 1 of it’s possible configurations… making each rotation unique because the stages are not all the same as they were last time we had “rotation 1”
4 years in, L100. IT only Sundays (and then begrudgingly) SD farm L11, Shogun never.
Started running each a bit more for Marius, but quickly running into blockades. Haven't beat SD above 16, IT takes too long , too much nrg to clear Marius missions, etc
I literally about 6 weeks ago while on a 100% gear removal reduction event made the geo/3×PK/Roshcard team. Until then I would only run it on Sunday and it wpuld take me on average 6 minutes a run manually, to do my keys bc my tuning was not right btw Rosh and my Helicath and the other 3. Also I was only able to farm stage 13. (Yes I'm fortunate enough to have both Rosh and Heli). I now do it everyday bc of the proper tuning for the comp, trying to make up for lost time. I am normally able to summon about 30 mortal and 2 or 3 medium stones during a chase or rush.
I've never run Phantom, and I only do SD when I have to (I'm at lvl 10 I think, it's been a while), though I try to pick off the oils from normal cursed city and other events. Heck I haven't done a hard mode dungeon yet wither but that's just me not really knowing where to start w them and just not having time. Sooooooo much time sink.
Great video btw HH.
Yeah, the Dungeon Divers point thing is really a big deal. I have so little energy to spend after doing the regular events and fusions that I cant usually spare it for Mino, Sanddevila dn SHogun. I at least do Iron Twins
Energy and silver are still a problem in Raid. You just never have enough to do everything you want to do so you have to pick and choose what you do in a day. Cap the energy at 500 and you'll see people doing these dungeons more.
Iron Twins, either remove energy requirement or remove the keys.
What about Fire knight? Will that dungeon be included too? Thats and Shogun is the only dungeons i struggle to beat yet. Cant beat past level 7 of Fire knight 7. Without Gnut and Cardiel i dont even think this possible(or with speed 300 or more).
Really strong breakdowns here. I'm totally fine with current meta teams staying meta because I think the ingenuity it took to come up with the is interesting, but you're right about the ballache of getting to those higher levels.
I don't really think the problem with cursed city is the faction/affinity restrictions necessarily. The problem is the double taras marichka type comps that are next to impossible without a team fully regeared in stun sets. If a level requires that, I personally don't feel it's tuned correctly.
I do play Iron Twins on a Sunday as it's basically a guarenteed small soul gem, but without Geo I don't get far. A for Minotaur I do that between fusions, I'm just too burnt out by a fusion to go for Titan whatevers and the like that are generally harder than fusions to finish. I don't really do Sand Devil as my team is way too bad but I have progress a way in the phantom one as I wanted to see if I could - but it certainly wasn't for the rewards..
im an endgame person been playing 4 years and i dont touch any of them i can do iron twins but cant ever get past stage 15 on others just dont have the champs or souls and thats a huge issue
i do the twins when i have the energy on my main, but have not touched sand devil or shogun. I'm getting into late game but need so much else that these are an after thought.
Remove the energy for iron twins and do instant battles. But don't let instant battles count for CvC or tournaments. Do the same thing you did for clan boss... you must clear sand devil 100-250x with a 90% win rate or something. Then do the same with Shogun.
Honestly they could make the Wishlist in Soul a GUARANTEED next Soul be that champion and it STILL would require a ton of soul shards to get a high enough awakening for your champs to be useful in the super end game content.
so happy you brought up minotaur. doing minotaur feels like a waste of time, missing out on all of the tournaments and events, causing you to run minotaur for an even longer time.
Speaking of Minotaur my clan mates brought that up we need some events to involve it so we can get masteries everything is a vicious cycle of needing one for another unless you pay 💰
Iron twins should drop soul stones like the other dungeons drop shards. Also I'd like to see skill tomes be farmable in minotaur. That would make it feel less like chore.
So - my perspective, I do try and run these when I can, because while I don't feel like I'm endgame endgame - I find I need those bits of stats, or those blessings, etc. I haven't beat any of IT above 13, and even then I only run 11 or 12 I think cause I can't reliably beat 13 - and that's using a Geomancer that thanks partially to some stuff from what little I've beaten of SD and PS as well as that stuff rewarded elsewhere finally got Geomancer to 400 accuracy so he's relaible-ish at that range. Problem being that trying to get that level of accuracy while maintaining other stats was nearly impossible cause I just don't have the gear with the rolls. And that was after being at about 375-380 resulting in almost constant resists. And fighting back in to Gold after a forced hiatus from surgery, even Silver had some nightmarish awakened teams to deal with while I had exactly 1 awakening - a 1 star on Draco for the meteor cause he's used also in my CB and other teams where brimstone adds some nice damage. I only just got one from the store for Arbiter and now have to choose do I give her IP almost exclusively for Arena or do I give her something more beneficial for all the other things I use her in.
Especially for people who can't get bonuses from live arena - cause some of us can't always access the game when it's open, the needed stats to even land debuffs let alone deal damage and all is way too high. Even beyond that - they way some of the mechanics work are so freaking jank the only way to try and win is through whatever BS things you can find - it doesn't work cause I don't have speeds synced right cause I can't but hald of Iron Twins is yeah, me trying to use Helicath and the one magic affintity used in unkillable CB teams to try and alternate damage blocks cause otherwise his damage ramps too quick and I'm dead cause I can't just 'lol nuke' him - I have to burn him down with Geomancer or the like. It's terrible game design because when they thought of awakenings and gear ascending - and figured 'well it's just gonna mostly be for the super end game players', these dunces didn't account for the fact that what little mid-early could do or get access to (from other events or teams that could slowly grind low levels) the absolute power balance issue it'd create in PvP where even before any of that - even a couple points in speed or HP could be the difference between a win and a loss, let alone again increasing the gap between the people who can drop money on the game (therefore best champs, energy to do this all the time, etc) and those that can't drop hundreds on a whim.
I do twins daily and void up to 12 if I have at least 1000 gems in stock. I only do sanddevil when there is an ascension quest in advance quests to get enough to do that. I've run shogun up to 10 or 11 with a random team when there was a progress requirement, but I've not built anything or really reviewed it yet. I have godseeker/ninja/dreng, but don't have the gear to get to 25 so am stuck around 17 or so in sanddevil and it's not consistent. Because they have sanddevil turn tournaments, I doubt they'll make it a key thing - though maybe they'll let you buy keys at a similar rate of an energy refill for 6-10 more keys or something. Doubling daily twins would be great, and doubling void day would be as well. I would like to see primal shards/fragments be part of possible drops in twins, clan boss chests, or even the bronze/silver/gold chests they have a milestones. prism shards and souls as well when those pools are open I would like to have gotten the primal shard from the last dungeon divers, but the points were too high when I know I need to stop using gems for energy saving for the fusion upcoming
I agree with you. Minotaur should be counted toward the Dungeon Divers Event. I don't play the others.
I agree on Mino, who has 2200 energy per champ to get that done when it's a constant and endless grind in the game? I've been saving gems only for SD tournaments and now I'm adding gem to energy for masteries farm in mino during CVC to the list as that's the only time it's rewarded. DD should definitely give points for IT, SD, PS & Mino WITHOUT adding even further to the DD points requirements, which is absurd entirely.
You got the cart before the horse. They have to make the dungeons more accessible in order for most players to realistically do events for them. They make the dungeons easier, then add the events. If they do it the other way around everyone will complain because they are too hard.
I'd like to see them give the coins and essence for Iron Twins not one or the other ... and take away the energy .. just keep it keys .... and the Keeps are part of the dungeon tab ... we should get dungeon diver points for running the Keeps also
It sounds like the rotations will be in order 1-5. But the filters will be randomized, as in which champions will be eligible for the fights.
As a player that has teams finally able to get through Twins and Shogun, it would be nice to get a bit more from them. Maybe have them get their own bonus days that can coincide with a gear base event. Or have them running an event when there isn't a Xx gear event going on.
Great point for Mino, when can you do it. Only time I can run mino is if I skip titan/path/fusion events completely. Would be great to have a mino event every now and then.
My biggest problem (and that is part community) is - especially for Phantom Grove - its so hard to climb through the levels. I have a team speedtuned for 25 but i cant make it past 15 and i would burn 100s of energy trying to do so to figure out the speeds or teams.
I have a weird take an iron twins because I always kind of liked it. It’s super difficult not a lot of content on it and was kind of like a mini clan boss in the terms if you had to use block damage and you had to speed tune it for Max efficiency.
I still totally agree with the remove the energy double the rewards options. but in terms of balance, it’s difficulty has always been something I liked though It is annoying.
Shogun: i farm very rarely, and lately just when i absolutely need to do for mission or min max a champ.
Sand Devil: i can speed farm 25 because i got lucky enough to have a siphi, team is siphi, godseeker, ramantu (dont have riho so he is kinda budgeting that role) and gnut, still not very reliable cuz can be 3%ed a lot), also there's the fact that they dont give any points towards dungeon divers aka dumpster divers and i've got too much to do with my energy already, therefore i only farm devil when there's a tournament because often they put prisms or soulstones on the rewards.
Iron twins: farm 6 keys every day but almost never buy a refil even on sundays when it is void and double the rewards because the refill cost 150 gems with is too damm expensive, make it 50 gems and then maybe we can start talking lol.
The main problem further from their obvioxious mechanics are that they are expensive dungeons with very low reward rates and they dont give us any points for dungeon divers which means it is pointless to be doing them for any event... As a matter of fact i only ever farm dungeons when i need to because we average players have very limited ammount of energy and if we want to get stuff done in this game we need to be resource managing all the time otherwise we get screwed on unreasonable milestones for fusions and titan events, like i misse armanz's 5th star soul on his titan event by 50 points and that was because i didnt had enough shards saved up during a summon rush and missed 100 titan points on the top milestone. It is very frustrating when stuff like this happens and i bet it happens with most average players out there every once in a while, doesnt matter which resource it is, shards, stones, silver, energy...
I purposely seek out cursed city levels that reward gear/accessory upgrade stuff purely so I don't have to do Shogun or Sand Devil. I haven't even opened Shogun! I get my soul stones from Hydra and other areas of the game instead of Iron Twins lmao. The only time I do Sand Devil is when I actually need it for a quest ☠️ that should say something about these bosses
Even if you have the champions, it took me months to get the right regen stats/ascension on Godseeker to run SandDevil (I am a mid-spender playing for 4+ years now). This means that even if you have the champions, you still have to spend tons of energy farming gear, then millions of silver praying the rolls fall on the right stats.
I did Mint this weekend, for the first time in a couple of months. As for IT, SD and PS, I skip SD and PS on both my accounts and just do IT to levels that I can auto it. No inclination to spend 5-10 mins on these dungeons. These 3 dungeons are so champ specific it is nauseating.
Been doing iron twins daily and twice on sunday, today after i bought wukong 4star soul with 300 essence, i got left with less than 100 essence.. lol, wonder how long more i need to do iron twins for me to be able to buy another 4star souls, i havent talk about 5th and 6th stars yet, which till now, i dont even have the essence to buy, how pity it is.
I given up on sanddevil and shogun, because it need just so specific champ to do it.
I use for twins 3x pk, helicath, and coldheart. It's varies on time. But is often in 3 min range
My only concern for those 3 dungeons are the worth of rewards. I have no problem running all of those. Stage 25 is an easy cheese for both sand devil and phantom shogun. Iron twins is all about geo and it's okay. Free to play loves it all day!